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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

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Make Sakura-chan proud...
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when autocreated by bots these kind of threads loose a bit of their charm...
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月語
「げつご」と「つきご」はどれが正しいの?
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Bring back kanji of the day
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>>141252343
They boogeyman has achieved AI status now?
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Is it worth it to do the intermediate and advanced cards in the DoJG deck? Or should I stop after the basic ones?
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>>141252449
You shouldn't really do it, why don't you spend your time doing some real reading and just use DoJG as your reference instead?
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>>141252366
ツクヨミノコトバ
   月語
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>>141252509
When I was trying to learn Japanese last year at some point, I found reading even simple stuff to be really difficult. Even simple sentences were totally throwing me off. It was really discouraging and my motivation to read anything quickly petered out until I de-facto gave up.

Even if I don't do the DoJG deck, I would have to re-read Tae Kim's guide to refresh my memory anyway, so it seemed like a worthwhile thing to do in order to prevent a similar outcome to last year's.
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>>141252688
>I found reading even simple stuff to be really difficult. Even simple sentences were totally throwing me off. It was really discouraging and my motivation to read anything quickly petered out until I de-facto gave up.
This is me right now, though I'm only 1 month into learning Japanese and only finished the basic section of TK.
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Could someone help please?
>>141252539
>>141252667
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>>141252729
Use Google Translate to draw kanji if you are not familiar with the stroke order. It's much better in that it doesn't care about it as long as the general appearance is close enough.
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>>141252816
If you had read the posts you'd have noticed I already did this and only then used sljfaq.
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>>141252729
魔がさしたらしい

>まがさす
えっとね、えいごだと近い単語すらわからないよ
carelessとはちょっとちがうとおもうし
thoughtlessともちょっとちがうし
unthinkinglyにもちょっとちがうとおもうよ
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>>141252875
I don't read "Please help me with the kanji" posts in their entirety.
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>>141252904
It's ok, the English world has the same connection between demons and vices.
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>>141252904
ああそうか。じゃ、これそのアノンの言うとおり >>141252799 >>141252847

どうも。
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>>141253022
魔の林を抜いた形はあんまりないとおもうよ

>日がさす
>針がさす
>指がさす
>魔がさす
「が+さす」の前にくっつけるものは「とがっているとかんじるもの」じゃないかなあとおもうよ

>ぺがさす
Pegasusはべつものだよ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5MVhH-GpoA

i want to eat this god damm
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>>141253476
I want to eat the girl.
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>>141253674
>he thinks i was talking about the food
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>>141253476
器用な人はまれにいるよ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s58cTvt5sks
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>>141253699
That's dangerous as fuck. What's he going to do when he one day chops his fingers up in front of his customers?
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>>141253699
危険過ぎると思うけど
あの人は出来る
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Is your country represented by a good kanji?
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>>141254111
>english
>hero
How about no.
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>>141252366
>>141252688
>>141253022
>>141253588
>>141253699
>>141254111
>>141254222
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I have some trouble differentiating the condititionals.

I understand と and なら just fine I think, but I get 時 mixed up with たら and I don't really understand the uniqueness of ば.

How do you guys distinguish between them in your head?

I kind of think of ば as exclusionary and emphatic, たら as hypothetical, と as natural and なら as contextual.
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Let's take a moment to appreciate how amazing the word かしら is
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>>141254316
kill yourself
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>>141254716
>I kind of think of ば as exclusionary and emphatic, たら as hypothetical, と as blah blah blah blah blah blah
don't think

feel
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>>141254940
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>>141254111
Sunday
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>>141255270
kek

>>141254111

amusing this is in jisho:
白豪主義
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>>141254915
>4 off
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>>141255386
いまのにほんでは「主義」の意味は羽根より軽いよ

ありとあらゆる言葉につくんだけど、何の意味ももってないの
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Can someone link me a good quality Japanese dark souls lets play?

Preferably the third one but any would do
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>>141255750
No, just watch anime.
P.S Don't use good and lets play in the same sentence next time arigatou gozaimasu!
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>>141255782
>Don't use good and lets play in the same sentence
amen
outside reviews, these people are just above bronies
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>>141255634
σ(゚∀゚ )オレのペニス+
貴様の顔=幸せ
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>>141255807
Don't generalize. EpicNameBro is a cool dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjMqOUFBRps
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>>141255782
>Opinions

I just like the dark souls game design and lore and shit but can't be fucked to play it myself, I want to see what the games like and preferably get some listening practice in at the same time for maximum productivity
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(あのん君またエッチなことばばっかりおぼえてる…)
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>>141255750
>dark souls lets plays
www It's such an interesting game if you watch it right, the gameplay there is not a relevant part at all and it's not like there is a Japanese version of the game ww
>>141255828
>EpicNameCocksuckerBro
---> reddit
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>average djt poster
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>>141255846
Lets plays are objectively the worst thing on this planet, maybe anime is a little worse, but that's it. If you like the game why don't you fucking play it?
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>>141255750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGzWeXSEHY
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>>141255885
If you like anime why don't you fucking make it?
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>>141255932
Your post doesn't make any sense, try again when you learn English.
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>>141255961
t. ESL
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>>141255925
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>>141255828
Oh I watch him too, he is a sophisticated and mature lets player.
What's your name on レディット btw? Mine is BigLoreGamer :D
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>>141255885
You people that are obsessed with being offended at everything are just the worst

Please learn what opinions are
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>>141255998
You have one more chance to redeem yourself. My post is not that hard, every basic textbook should cover the grammar I used there. I have some things to do so make it quick.
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>>141256032
Okay I will go watch some lets plays now, why should I play the game. You are indeed right and opinions can't be based on truth, they are just things to be discarded immediately. I watch MrBigEpicBro by the way.
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I think I just made some fresh くそ down in my ズボン...
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>>141256043
>comma splicing
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Is there an android app for rikaisama or the likes? Google just directs me to the firefox extension one for android.
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>>141255782
>>141255885
>>141256075
you should do an LP of yourself spazzing out to an LP
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>>141256159
Time to watch some lets plays of anime, thanks for your post. Which book did you use to learn English by the way? Your Eigo is really Jouzu.
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>>141256176
I'll do that when I decide to become an EpicBigFunNameBro.
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>>141256075
>based on truth

You mean based on you convincing yourself that all lets plays fit into the generic idea of epic meme 420 minecraft shit
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>>141256127
Did you mean 下着?
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>>141256233
>epic meme 420 minecraft shit
I didn't imply that even once. I have done extensive research so I didn't need to convince myself of anything. You should do the same instead of watching some retard play games, especially a game like dark souls.
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>>141255634
え? 今日本語方針は同様かい

ごめん、「羽根より」意味わかないよ
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>>141256338
Sorry I can't read those Kanji yet. And what does "did" mean here? It wasn't in my Eigo Grammar book.
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every minute is ふん
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>>141256366
>えええ???僕はあにめですーーー!
-> /r/learnjapanese
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>>141256406
what the fuck is /r/learnjapanese
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>>141256406
calm down
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>>141256395
臭そう
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>>141256462
A subreddit, that's similar to a board here like we have /a/ and shit like that. They have custom names. You should go there, it's a good site.
>>141256470
Boku wa mou ochitsuita yo ww anime ga daisuki
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>唐突
>忽然
>ばったり
>ふいに
>急激
>突如
>ぷっつり
>転
>がぜん
>ふと
>ばっと
>ぱっと
>ぱたり
>ぐっと
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>>141254111
ドイツ/独国
Dog bless Germany
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>>141256986
...i prefer to remain anonymous as im still horrible
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>>141252171
桜ちゃんはディジェイティの姫です。
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>>141256989
Isn't vocabulary a wonderful thing? I would probably stop learning Japanese if there was only one word for "suddenly". Which is why Flyable Heart's prose made me feel like killing myself.
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>>141256998
that whole description almost describes a polish robot just before ww2
>single, alone, spontaneously, Germany
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>>141257065
I want to cum inside Sakura-chan.
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>>141257120
私も
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>>141257113
Holy shit you're right
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After a five month hiatus from anime, I watched an episode of KonoSuba yesterday. Despite understanding everything that happened, I was left with a profound sense of regret that I had wasted twenty minutes of my life on this shit

I'm just finding it harder and harder to get back into anime, it seems like more than half of airing shows are crappy harem LN adaptations or some variation of the "reborn in fantasy game" trope.
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Can someone explain what やっぱり means?

No matter how many times I look it up I still don't get it.
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>>141257219
I know this feel

I just rewatch shit that I know is good
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>>141257234
Read through sentences that use it and make the connection yourself

http://jisho.org/search/%E3%82%84%E3%81%A3%E3%81%B1%E3%82%8A%20%23sentence
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>>141257219
That's what you get for picking a really shitty show. Basically everything that's airing this season is better than KonoSuba.
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>>141257219
Sounds like you have terrible taste, not much to do with anime.
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>>141257288
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>>141257288
I know, but the Megumin girl looked cute. And I have a principle of watching the anime before I fap to its doujins. I'm going to try and struggle through a few more episodes so I can fully appreciate the doujin storylines.
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>>141252171
>Still using that old image
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>>141252729


search by radical
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>>141257396
It'd be nice if there were be a bunch of different images that we could use on rotation.
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>>141257234
people say this all the time in my apache indian shadowplay productions, how have you never heard it
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>>141257411
>not a single word using this kanji on jisho
wut

The kanji itself is there, so I guess it isn't a fake one, but why does it even exist if there are no words which use it?
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>>141257396
Shit is unreadable. Either change the color or add an outline to the text.
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>>141257499
Whatever, just don't spam a million different threads when the old one dies.
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>>141257499
Blame sameposters autism, /g/ suffers from it too.
See image.
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>>141257572
It's not unreadable in the slightest. Have your eyes checked.
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>>141257572
You must be blind.
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>>141257526
it seems to be chinese, it's not even tested on kanken 1

I wouldn't be surprised if japanese had a reading for every chinese character

>stars in the universe, etc.
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>>141257526
http://kakijun.jp/main/u_nodata.html?%E5%BB%86
That kanji is not even found in this kanji dictionary.
It's probably supposed to be 魔が差す
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>>141256998
I can live with this.
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>>141257526
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>>141254111
The meaning on this kanji all mean the same, they all mean AUSTRALIA
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>>141256168
Bump
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Currently live in japan, have been for about a year, i know about 400 kanji and i can pretty much understand what people are trying to say when they talk to me but when i reply i have trouble putting my words together maybe i dont have a good enough grasp on grammar but i think it might have something to do with me thinking in english as well
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>>141258187
ok
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>>141258187
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>>141258070
Your papa is proud.
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>>141258187
Kanji study wa useless deimasu!!!
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>>141258187
What have you been doing for a year in Japan if you don't know the language very well?
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>>141258257
So far kanji has helped me alot though, it gave me a push when i felt stuck a little ways back.
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>>141258304
Stop giving him attention moron.
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>>141258304
Im in the military so we have been working alot lately
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>>141258319
>felt
Your feeling have nothing to do with it, kanji is a useless waste of time just pick up the vocab
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>>141258187
Subscribed. Do you have RSS?
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>>141258372
I'm not afraid of talking to real people so just shut the fuck up and go talk to your vn characters.
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>>141258411
Rss?
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>>141258411
We don't use that relic of the past in this age.
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>>141258187
sounds like your visa expired

i'm calling the embassy
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>>141258444
Keep projecting, 小僧.
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>>141258372
Vending machine inside my barracks.
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>>141258665
I'm not a VN character, boy. You can stop with the anime slang. Do you know that people exist outside of your poorly written visual games?
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I heard there were little boys here so I came??
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>>141258372
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>>141258861
Yeah go there *points to the shady alley*
Just tell him Sakura-sama sent you and he will explain everything.
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>>141258861
I don't know about 男の子 but I'm a かわいいな少年 myself (that if you don't mind).
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>>141258711
Real people are fucking gay.
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in example 4, how can you omit steak
literally anything on their entire menu and you drop the steak
why_japanese_people.pdf
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>>141259356
wait a min, i'm an idiot and the steak could be in the present being consumed
for some reason in my head they're outside and pointing at various places to enter
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>>141259356
Wow man this is insightful 有難う for the posuto
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>>141259407
thanks man u 2
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>>141259356
It says "if it is apparent from context". In the case of (4), the person saying it has probably been talking about steak with whoever he is talking to.

>Good steak is hard to find, eh?
>Yeah, this restaurant's is no good.
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I was busy for four days, was unable to do my decks now I'm behind and it's making me anxious. Is there anyway i can erase the fact that I didn't study for a few days and just accept the fact that 4 days of my life are gone now?
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>>141259390
>>141259811

yeah i got it, just wasn't thinking flexibly
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>>141259901
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What's the deal here? Which version of the kanji is the correct one?
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>>141259901
No, just do them all at once no big deal.
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>>141260287
Both. The bottom one is how it would look handwritten.
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>>141260134
Nice meme! Dekinai haha できないいいwww
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>>141260287
かんじべんきょうはうせれっすでございます
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>>141260445
Why does the extra dot disappear when it's handwritten?
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>>141260593
Because it is a dekinai
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>>141260593
I'm not 100% sure but if I had to guess it's probably to imitate how it's written in calligraphy?
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>>141260287
The one with a single dot is the old/Chinese version.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%BE%BB
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>>141260683
This is a useless waste of time please don't study kanji
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Even they can't do it, how I can.
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>>141261027
Because Japanese people are superior, right?
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>>141260287
What's the deal here? Which version of the letter is the correct one?
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>>141261110
Top.
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>>141261110
Haha, didn't even think about it thanks for the great joke and good info arigatou
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>>141261110
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>>141260714

t. JLPT N5
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>>141261258
t. Meme master dekinai ankifu
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>>141261258
>t. autistic shitposter
ftfy

https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/kanji%20useless/
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>>141261110
Which one of these is correct?
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>>141261403
the bloody day m8
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How do you import not the first definition of a word with anki real time import ?
I remember reading that you'd have to use the sticky mode, but I don't remember the rest.
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>>141261478
Push U and hover over the reading you want.
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>>141261478
>>141261403
You just don't do kanji study that is all
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>>141261523
Okay, thank you.
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>>141261258
What does that t. shit even mean
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What the fuck, man? The one on the left and in the draw order thingy doesn't even look like "butcher" from the previous card.
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>>141261740
It makes your post smarter I don't really know what it means I just use it to look cooler :D
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>>141261793
It is actually a useless endeavor please don't learn kanji.
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>>141261793
Save yourself the headache and just do vocab, unless you have a problem telling different kanji apart there is no reason to learn them alone.
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>>141261793
Seriously what's with all these newfags coming in this thread using resources that weren't posted at all last year
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>>141261857
This man is right you just pick it up through the vocab!
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>>141261793
兪 is a variant of 俞.
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>>141261864
/v/
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>>141262055
This is not necessary information do not leanr the kanji
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>>141262066
it probably is /v/ since a lot more games produced in japan are getting their western releases heavily censored while the original remains untouched

or in the case of R. mika, butt still slapped
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do you guys have a study buddy?
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>>141262171
No wonder this thread is so fucking shit

First we had the ironic wanikani children and now we have idiots trying to imitate sakura autist

Mods should just nuke this shithole already
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>>141262204
Does an ankifu count?
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>>141262204
>picture of girl
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>141262263
looks like his mum or sister t.b.h.
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>>141262204
Is that your mom? She's cute
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Just realized that the reason I missed days early in my anki career was that I hadn't figured out how to use AnkiDroid (or, rather, that it existed) so when I left home for over a day I would be literally incapable of doing reps. Now I feel no guilt or shame.
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>>141262302
激し子
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what's the correct way (specially on particle use) to say, for instance "a, b, c and d went to school today" without commas?
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>>141262384
a and b and c and d went to school today
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What I really want to know is whether all these people who know enough Japanese to talk to people in the country would have the vocabulary level to read novels. It would be satisfying to see them pick up something I'm struggling with and have them get blown the fuck out despite being "fluent" and speaking in the country.
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>>141262384
It is a true conjugation form or dekiru
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>>141262416
Nice false flag, now kindly neck yourself
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>>141262384
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>>141262404
in moonrunes, please
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>>141262260
What is an ankifu?
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>>141262440
What? I'm serious.
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>>141262253
Open your mouth so that I can shove my dick deep inside it.
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>>141262494
I am fluent in 日本語
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>OP image
Well ok see you guys in the next thread maybe
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>>141262253
Make /djt/ しゅごい again
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>>141262525
Just don't come back this threads never gunna get any better
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>>141262525
We don't need autistic manchildren here, please leave
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>>141262384
kyou a-san to b-san to c-san to d-san wa gakkou ni ikimashita
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>>141262512
That's irrelevant.
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>>141262525
The OP doesn't really have any bearing on the quality of the threads these days, to be honest.
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>>141261793
>RTK
Just do vocab and write.
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ドナルドトランプは格好いい!
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>>141254111

surpass, cross over, move to, exceed, Vietnam
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今日のあなたは勉強します。あなたは日本語を学びます。
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>>141263000
Wow you Japanese is totemo jouzu! A true intellectual...
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>tfw you want to learn Japanese but it sounds so ugly
Why?
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>>141263000
I want to force my ちんぽ down her のど
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>>141263092
It's the nicest sounding Asian language at least.
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>>141263000
その女の頬っぺをつねりたい
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>>141262769
Yes do vocab but writing don't it is useless it takes tooo much time
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>>141262553
probly true

>>141262688
It's symbolic

>>141262564
sorry for you what I actually meant was I'll check in occasionally to shitpost but I won't answer any questions
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>>141263092
>but it sounds so ugly
Shit taste detected.

Japanese is one of the nicest-sounding languages. If you want to hear an ugly language, listen to Chinese (either Mandarin or Cantonese, it makes no difference, both sound disgusting).
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>>141263092
that's not Chinkese
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I've been reading オレのラブコメヒロインは、パンツがはけない。 since yesterday and I'd like to reiterate it's the easiest LN I've ever read. This is probably the first piece of Japanese ""literature"" I've ever read and gotten pretty much 100% and can read entire pages without stopping. I mean sure I can make my with through a lot of novels guessing over certain words and misunderstanding some lines but nothing has been this easy to 100% and speed through like this. Definitely recommended for beginners wanting to read LNs, if weeb culture like this interests you of course.
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>>141262800
そうだ
Let's all learn about the man and his greatness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joLsmyyOkaY
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>>141263092
Maybe it'll sound better to you when you start to recognize words? I thought Korean was an ugly language but as I started watching kdramas it grew on me.

But Japanese always sounded great to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2sow7tbJ8
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>>141263104
That's like saying you are the smartest among a bunch of retards.
>>141263160
How does it feel to lie to yourself to that degree?
>>141263166
I know, I've heard Chinese and it's pretty fucking ugly. Japanese is a little better but that's not really saying much.
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>>141263180
Is it good though? And what other LN have you read?
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>>141263180
>my romcom heroine can't wear pantsu
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>>141263180
Nobody fucking cares what porn you've been reading. Everybody already knows that light novels are the easiest shit out there.
>>141263239
>Is it good though?
Are you sure you know what a light novel is?
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>>141263208
>How does it feel to lie to yourself to that degree?
I'm not lying to myself. I genuinely think Japanese is a pleasant language to listen to and have never felt otherwise. There's really nothing about it that can offend you given the limited range of simple sounds, all of which except the "r" sound exist in English.
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>>141263180
>weeb culture
>culture
Nice try buddy wwwワロター
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>>141263306
Did a light novel kill your parents by any chance
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>>141263239
>Is it good
It's a light novel with THAT title. Enough said.
>And what other LN have you read?
I'm mainly comparing it to VNs but I have read around 10-20 other LNs (some of which could probably be considered normal novels) out of which this is easier than any other.
>>141263270
The first two pages describe her bare ass/crotch being pushed against his face after she falls back from the stairs onto him.
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>>141263357
It doesn't have the power to kill anyone. It's just toilet paper with Japanese words on it. Light novels aren't real wake up.
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>>141263180
Is it in the CoR? I can't seem to find it.
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>>141263306
I have some porn novels on here (嫁姉ッ! お姉ちゃんの愛情は無限大!弟とだったら子作りもOK!) but this is actually easier than them too.
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>>141263388
I mean OreGairus title isn't exactly deep either, but it's considered one of the more acclaimed LNs.
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>>141263388
>describe her bare ass/crotch being pushed against his face after she falls back from the stairs onto him
Fuck, I think I'm going to download this literature. Thanks for the suggestion.
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>>141263433
Yeah, be sure to click the 小説 tab. It's not a manga.
https://mega.nz/#!mI43HaLR!SYOnvw4qPS32ZGmfKwlZCH_04QwVYrLBo8i8qnJlRqU
>>141263466
Oregairus title doesn't preclude profundity quite as much as this one does. I'm laughing a couple times (mainly out of how absurd it is) but it's not nearly as good as Oregairu, Bakemonogatari, or even something like Inou Battle.
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>>141263433
Nevermind, I'm a retard. I forgot LNs were in a separate section from manga.
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>>141263332
Japanese sounds fucking ugly and you know it. The absence of a proper L sound is just a minor thing. All the other sounds are disgusting and hurt my ears.
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>>141263547
I can't find it but I really want to read this book, can you upload it somewhere? It sounds very interesting
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>>141263599
>Japanese sounds fucking ugly and you know it.
I don't.

Japanese is one of my favourite languages to listen to, alongside Swedish.
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>>141263657
I understand who I'm dealing with now. You can go listen to your ugly language now, adults are talking here.
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>>141263654
I literally posted the mega link in the post you're replying to
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>>141263599
The Japanese r sound is really nice in my opinion

Sometimes spoken Japanese sounds aids, sometimes it sounds godly, it really depends on who's talking
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>>141263718
I can't find the link
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>>141263699
>I understand who I'm dealing with now.
And who is that?
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>>141263720
I didn't say anything about the r sound you stupid fuck.
>>141263742
An autist.
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>>141263718
He's shitposting. Ignore him
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>>141263792
Ohh. He's bullying me for spoonfeeding. Fair enough.
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>>141263787
>anyone who likes languages that i don't like is an autist
just ebin xD
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>>141263841
I'm a Swedish idiot xD Swedish sounds cool and Japanese isn't ching chong chang neko desu
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>>141263873
get cancer and die
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>>141263792
I'm not shitposting, I just want to read it but can't find it in CoR.
>>141263815
I can't do that because I don't see the link
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>>141263873
Say something in Swedish.
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>>141263787
You were bitching about the L sound

Why am I even replying to such an obvious troll

Why am I even in this thread, it's literally just a breeding ground for shitposting in here

There's like 15% legitimate conversation in here and the rest is just people competing with each other to see who can act the most retarded
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>>141263896
Great idea and it would be pretty easy. All I need to do is find some Japanese and Swedish audio and play it at the same time. I'm pretty sure I will get cancer within 2-3 minutes.
>>141263952
Just imagine someone shitting that's called Swedish.
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>>141262688
I honestly think it's about time we put it out of its misery. In 2016, we have seen:

-one idiotic spammer ruining every single thread or leading people into dumb arguments to derail the thread, spamming 50 threads in one day and spamming questions for old threads, koohii and reddit for 18 hours a day 7 days a week and samefagging that bitlasers is somehow getting ad revenue off this website

-leagues of retarded manchildren trying to ironically promote shittier services for more than three months by spamming every single thread with them despite repeated bans and people telling them it wasn't funny

-jealous faggots harassing a valuable native poster in our threads continuously and replying "Fuck off" to every single post for more than three months

-Quof and multiple redditors promoting the thread on reddit

-An autistic scientist who posted fake questions for two months as an experiment to see whether anyone would notice

On top of that, look at all these fucking shitposts:

>>141254111
>>141255828
>>141255853
>>141255885
>>141256127
>>141256395
>>141258187
>>141258861
>>141259356
>>141262204
>>141262800

There's no reason for the mods to keep a general that causes so much trouble yet doesn't contribute much at all in my opinion. And /djt/ has repeatedly shown that it is not willing to change for the better. For example having weekly or fortnightly threads would certainly work in reducing shitposts, but nobody seems to want to try it.

The only unique feature of this general among all the Japanese learning sites is probably the amount of intermediate to advanced learners we have to answer questions, but most of them have left for obvious reasons. After all who wants to waste their time and effort on answering a question clearly when it could be posted by a spammer or some autistic kid running an experiment?

At this point, dedicated learners who are looking to have their questions answered should turn to the koohii forums instead of this place.
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>>141263815
I don't know that's he's bullying you. His posting style is very similar to the shitposter who has been spamming "kanji is useless" for the last few days".

I think he's just trying to shit up the thread as usual. His only troll tactic seems to be pretending to be inhumanly obtuse, so he's easy to spot.
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>>141263873
Are you trying to imply that I'm Swedish because I like the sound of Swedish?

Sorry, but if that's the case, you're wrong.
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>>141263974
Can't you tell apart L and R in the English alphabet you fucking retard? I said that there is no L sound in Japanese, there wasn't anything about their retarded version of an R sound in my post.
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>>141264046
I'm saying I'm a Swedish idiot :)
I like Swedish it's a real language and it sounds very good!
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>>141263986
there is no reason for this thread anyway since the irc channel is much better if only someone would use it
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>>141263000
who this?
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>>141263986
You have a lot of understanding... I think we should listen to you because you surely know how to make this thread better. Thank you.
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>>141263986
I agree, this thread is really better off not existing

It is legitimately fine in here sometimes, ocassionally I'll come on here and people will actually be discussing something about the language, but most of the time it's nothing but endless shitposting and trolling, it's evident that this place is much more commonly being used for autists to vent rather than any actual Japanese discussion
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>>141264134
Your shitposting is too next level for me. I can't even figure out what your point is. just ebin
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>>141264140
IRC channels are awkward as hell. It's the worst feeling in the world to sit in an inactive IRC chat with 5 other introverts and nobody replying when you try and bring up a topic to chat about.
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>>141263986
>-leagues of retarded manchildren trying to ironically promote shittier services for more than three months by spamming every single thread with them despite repeated bans and people telling them it wasn't funny
www
>-jealous faggots harassing a valuable native poster in our threads continuously and replying "Fuck off" to every single post for more than three months
wwwww
>At this point, dedicated learners who are looking to have their questions answered should turn to the koohii forums instead of this place.
wwwwwwwてら爆笑
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>>141264197
>>141264140
>IRC
>not the moogy approved discord which is actually active
shake my head
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>>141264194
I am Swedish and I can tell you that this language is not torture designed by the Nazis.
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>>141264197
if this thread wouldnd exist then the channel would be more active, there is also no reason to not put the channel in the OP

#l/a/nguage on rizon

>>141264223
fuck discord you hipster shit, you dont deserve to learn japanese
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>>141264278
>hipster
if anything IRC is hipster at this point

enjoy your dead chat with 3 other people though, loser :-)
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>>141264197
That sums up my experience with IRC channels too.
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>>141264314
We care about your experience. Please tell us more.
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>>141263986
>There's no reason for the mods to keep a general that causes so much trouble
Oh you naive thing. This is a containment thread to avoid /a/ being spammed with "how to i japanese" threads.
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>>141264223
>moogy

Who cares
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>>141264362
I do, he's one of the reasons to learn Japanese so you can have deep and insightful discussions about VNs and LNs with him that you can get nowhere else.
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>>141264357
Come on, we both know that's not true. By that logic /jp/ should be spammed with those threads but it doesn't have a single thread about Japanese Learning right now and the last one was bumped off the board.

The majority of /a/ are EOPs and underage weaboo faggots who will happily eat up the shit translations served up to them by chinks. The only exception is probably the sadpanda crowd.
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>>141264413
Gave gold.
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>>141263986
>that causes so much trouble
It causes no real trouble for anyone outside it.
>And /djt/ has repeatedly shown that it is not willing to change for the better.
You can't control a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. What a shock.
>For example having weekly or fortnightly threads would certainly work in reducing shitposts, but nobody seems to want to try it.
Fat fucking chance.

>one idiotic spammer ruining every single thread
That was probably you anyway.
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>>141264499
Nah I don't use anime pictures I wouldn't fall that low
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It's comedic how a single dedicated autist can ruin a general forever.
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>>141264499
>It causes no real trouble for anyone outside it.

Yeah, because spamming 50 threads doesn't push any threads off the board.

>You can't control a bunch of anonymous people on the internet. What a shock.

It's not about trying to control individuals, it's about them controlling themselves. We had ZERO tripfags born in this thread in 2015, yet now we have more than three.

>That was probably you anyway.

You caught me :^)
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>>141264606
It's comedic how some people think it's a single autist
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>Trying to remember kanji
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>>141264357
Before DJT existed that type of thread didn't pop up every day, thus were less frequent than what you are calling a containment thread
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>>141264683
>kanjicucks wasting time while I'm actually learning Japanese with vocab

top kek
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>>141264624
>We had ZERO tripfags born in this thread in 2015
Yet you support a valuable native poster, seems a bit hypocritical.
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>>141264640
The spammer is definitely a single autist, although Jamal is just as big a problem.
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>>141264683
>>141264707
This is really useless you shouldn't be doing RTK or kanji study just do the vocab method.
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>>141264715
Come on kid, that was way too obvious. Try harder next time.
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>>141264731
I would like to see some proof of this.
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>>141264640
It clearly is, and he's very recognizable too if you've been here longer than a day.
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>>141264624
I actually posted a few times with a trip in 2015 too, and the other "tripfags" are just the spammer and Jamal putting on a trip while making a couple shitposts.
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>>141264624
>Yeah, because spamming 50 threads doesn't push any threads off the board.
That has only happened like twice.
>it's about them controlling themselves
Making them control themselves implies having control over them.
>yet now we have more than three.
I don't see any around.
>:^)
nigger
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>>141264783
Use 3 > next time.
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>>>/jp/15166340
>>>/jp/15166347

Why don't we have a proper easy VN list?
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>>141264796
>>141264795
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>>141264795
The fact that the spamming paused/pauses for about 8 hours each day isn't enough for you?
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>>141264830
Because easy VNs are all trash
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>>141264814
Yeah, I haven't done a crossboard link in quite a while. I forgot.
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>>141264837
The posting style in this and the previous threads? "I shit my pants" "Kanji study useless" and "Anime is not Japanese" are all the same person.
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>>141264844
You mean the fact that you say he does this? Still not convinced.
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>>141264882
Copying and pasting the URL itself usually does the job, too.
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>>141264783
>>>/jp/15166340
>>>/jp/15166347
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>>141264891
I wouldn't be surprised if you're talking to the spammer right now. He seems to like trying to convince people that he is actually 10 different people making the same shitposts.
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>>141264891
Another assertion without evidence. I can say that you are him with the same ease. Why do you think it is him?
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>>141264935
Yeah, seems >>141264954 like it.
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>>141264954
Because he insults my animations nobody here could possible hate anime... It's just a jealous salty EOP...
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>>141264972
So you don't think this is a problem? You say a bunch of bullshit and then evade by saying I'm the shitposter without providing any proof of those posters being one person. Great job.
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>>141264930
The only difficulty list you need is "Read what you're interested in and if it's too hard find something easier"

>but how do I find something easier
See this: https://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/april-2016-eroge-releases/
Pick anything that has 4-5 cute girls on the front

>still too hard
try another one

>STILL too hard
Study more grammar.
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>>141264830
>those lists seem random as shit. As if someone just put together eroge they knew or got suggestions for.
>When it comes to plotge, those are definitely not good candidates for your first ever non-textbook material. For example Baldr Sky doesn't have hard grammar, but it has scifi, military, political, scientific, religious vocab that will make the game a dictionary looking up hell. I wouldn't put any of those games in the plot part into a beginner's guide.
>Those lists have been picked apart several times on here. I wouldn't put much weight on them.
>>Monobeno: Happy End as moege
>You can tell someone didn't actually read it.
>You got trolled dude. Or maybe you went along with the troll? A lot of those look easy on the surface but are actually really hard (monobeno for instance in the moege section).
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>>141264898
If you were in the threads at all when he started spamming you would know.
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>>141265081
You are talking to him
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>>141265081
I was here when a lot of shitposting started happening. Can you provide some proof of all those posts being made by one person? I'm not saying it can't be one person but I don't really believe that it was. If you are right you should have no problem with giving some evidence.
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>>141265160
>Sakura autist's best attempt at changing up his writing style

Go back to writing くそ in your ズボン posts you fucking manchild.
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It doesn't matter if it's just one person or not, there's definitely one guy that does a lot of it based on how he types but I'm sure there are other people that join in as well, arguing about stupid shit like this is one of the reasons why this thread is fucking terrible now
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>>141265202
It seems like this thread is really not against becoming a place where baseless claims without evidence are treated as fact. Very sad.
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>>141265202
And the moment he tries to do it the shitposting stops like magic, it's hilarious.
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>>141265202
Feels so 良い knowing I'm 10 steps ahead of all the anime intellectuals here 爆笑
*くそをたべた*
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>>141265277
People have pointed out the evidence. Remember that evidence != proof, and that proof is not possible on an anonymous imageboard. But there is plenty of evidence.
But just as scientists can reasonably believe in evolution without convincing every creationist out there, we can believe based on the evidence without needing to convince you.
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>>141265254
It's all one person I have no proof but I'm telling you can you just believe this I hope you are not an atheistic debater www
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>>141265384
I haven't seen a single piece of evidence yet. Maybe you could have provided some if you had it instead of writing a long meaningless post.
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>>141265462
>>141265388
>>141265343
>>141265277
samefag
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>>141265202
Watch out, soon he'll try to enter his "mature" mode.
https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/469090
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>>141265343
>>141265384
>>141265388
I have to inform you kanji study is useless
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>>141265522
>>141265498
>>141265495
>>141265462
samefag
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>>141265498
I hope it works next time. I'll be praying.
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>>141265669
Spoiler: it won't.
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Fucking Anki, constantly trying to force its bullshit agendas onto me.

I didn't sign up for this shit just so I could get lectured about my life choices, dammit!
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>>141265745
Fucking idiot, do you realize that 暗記 and core are not the same thing? How fucking stupid do you need to be to not understand that?
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>>141265740
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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>>141265850
I like to picture myself throat fucking Sakura in my dreams.
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>Doing reps at work
>This picture comes up
>Boss walks by and sees it
>Promotes me immediately
THANKS ANKI!
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>>141265978
Why do you hate an anime character so much? Could it be that an anime murdered your family?
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>>141265745
>>141266010
I think you need to slow down. The production of 2 high quality meme posts in less than 10 minutes is a very strainful activity for the brain.
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>>141266038
Don't get me wrong, it's an act of love.
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>>141266118
But it feels so good~
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>>141266183
You might regret it after you discover that your brain isn't working properly anymore and your identity is slowly disappearing.

Actually it might be too late already...
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>>141266153
Okay, how do you feel about anime?
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>>141266331
It's the greatest piece of entertainment currently available.
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>>141266259
My life is no longer worth living.

The fleeting moments between each fix are pure suffering. I am spiraling out of control.
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>>141266331
I love anime.
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>2 months since I used anki
>still calling it a break
I am worthless
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>>141266365
What about light novels and visual novels?
>>141266437
How long have you been living with this condition?
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>>141266512
Either start again or go away. Otherwise you are just wasting time.
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>>141266512
Contrary to popular belief you don't really need a placebo to learn Nippongo.
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>>141266512
This is why you don't take breaks.
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>>141266608
They're also very good. I rank them Anime > VN > LN, though the gap between anime and VN is smaller than the one between VN and LN.
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「は、あ―!」
What does this line mean? I'm reading a VN.
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>>141266852
You need medical assistance... Light novels are the only true art form out there. I mean stuff like オレのラブコメヒロインは、パンツがはけない。
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Can someone explain me the あも in なんやあも. Why not just leave it as Nanya (なんや)?
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>>141267745
なん | やあ | も
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>>141264159
looks like arimura
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How would you read these Kanji 日本剣?
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>>141266888
Sorry I have pledged not to answer questions in this thread. That one might be too hard for me anyway though.
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>>141267745
It's explained in DoJBPD. Read it.
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>>141267913
What happened? You didn't take your autism pills today?
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>>141267990
I donated them all to the spammer since I figured he needed them more.
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>>141268081
Autism is a serious disease. Don't forget to take your pills next time or something embarrassing like this might happen again. Giving your medicine to some stranger on the internet is a bad idea.
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>>141267838
>What - Hey! - too/also
Now it makes less sense, why am I so fucking shit
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What does the よく in ”よくメール" mean?
I see it all the time online, but I have no idea what it could possibly mean.
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>>141268278
context
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>>141268334
I saw it on a Japanese anime forum.
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>>141268165
Sorry I have pledged not to answer questions in this thread. That one might be too hard for me anyway though.
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>>141268278
よく usually means "often" but I don't understand.
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>>141268398
Take your fucking meds. (゚∀゚)
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>>141267921
>DoJBPD
wut
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>>141268532
There is even an anki deck in CoR. Use the guide.
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>>141268334
I don't really have anything at the moment, but I think it could look like this:
"前によくメールきてて"
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Anyone else also learning Japanese in the hopes of getting a girlfriend from there? I'm not really interested in moving there by myself or anything, but if I was to live together with someone it'd be cool.

By the way, do Japanese girls always want children, or are they fine if you say you don't want any?
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>>141268631
I think your question is too difficult for this thread. I recommend checking advanced sources like Tae Kim's guide.
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>>141268789
No I'm just an anime こぞう I'm afraid of real 女の子...
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>>141268573
Cant find the dictionary of Japanese B(asic?) P? D? though
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>>141268631
A big male came in front of you.
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>>141269062
I'm not going to spoonfeed any further. You can find it on your own, just look around in CoR.
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メキシコとインド料理を食べました。
用を足した。
それじゃ、頂きます!!!
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>>141268419
That's what I would think, but that makes no sense in this.

>>141269113
I'm gonna go ahead and say that technically is correct, but obviously not what it is.
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I love reading deep content in 日本語.
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>それは高かったが、教科書だったから買わざるを得なかった。

>It was a textbook so I had no choice but to buy it, although it was expensive.

Can someone explain the 買-わざる part?
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>>141269853
カレーとモレをたべましたか
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I just tried a 馬のちンこ I would rate it 七/十…
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>>141271287
It is a triple negative ずconjugation pretty basic stuff tbqh.
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>>141271496
You can try mine as well. I think it's going to taste a lot better.
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>>141271287
I think your question is too difficult for this thread. I recommend checking advanced sources like Tae Kim's guide.
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>>141271287
What's there to explain? It's all pretty simple.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/feasibility
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>>141272145
Well, bring it on I'll be sure to rate ip
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So we all know this thread has been shit lately and hasn't produced anything worthwhile since the CoR. There were a couple of projects I was thinking of that I think would be really good for this thread.

1) A revamped anime themed Core 2k. Maybe even just 1k words. Basically, replace the pictures and example sentences with a panel of manga in which a popular character uses the word.

2) More of just an analysis of a manga, going through panel by panel with translations and analysis

I'm not promising to do either at the moment (and would almost certainly need some amount of help for both) but would one of these be significantly more useful than the other? If people seem to want one I may work on creating a sample (like, 10 cards of the anki deck or 1 chapter of a manga) to try to advertise and convince people to help the project.
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>>141272820
What I always wanted is mined decks by people for specific media (e.g. a visual novel). So others could get that deck and prepare for a specific thing before they read it.
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>>141272820
>anime themed Core 2k
Hahaはは
>>141272820
>analysis of a manga
>analysis
>manga
Are you fucking kidding me? wwwはははは
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>>141272871
>specific media (e.g. a visual novel)
We call that a medium in English.
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>>141272820
>A revamped anime themed Core 2k
Yes, I approve.

We already had like 200 images in the previous one before people couldn't be arsed anymore, but that was core10k, which is a much bigger job, after all.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QZ07POxtWL93PTyZvOsv0xo0fsZ_rONvi3o134Ajahk/edit#gid=185868609
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>>141272871
Honestly that would be a lot easier for someone to do as they start reading right out of Core2k.
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>>141272820
I couldn't come up with a more retarded idea even if I tried really hard
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>>141264278
>#l/a/nguage on rizon
Okay I'm here and no one is saying anything. There are people but it's dead. Am I in the right place?
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>>141272820
>hasn't produced anything worthwhile since the CoR
DOJG deck?
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>>141273165
no its dead there, this thread has to die to resurrect the channel
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>>141273165
You fell for a meme. Join the discord, it's actually active.
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>>141273333
Just to be clear, that's on rizon as #discord? Do you guys talk about Japanese things there or is it just shitposting.
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>>141273229
Like anyone would actually join some shitty channel that's full of awkward creeps. It's all right when everyone is anonymous, but there's no away I'd hang out with you people in any other capacity.
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>>141273413
You're not anonymous to me Kevin.
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>>141273057
Huh I had no idea there was ever an actual attempt for that.

I would probably just read some 4koma and whenever there's a simple panel I'd try to figure out which words from it are in Core 2k and save a picture for that word.

>>141273195
I think that was also by CoR-kun, although I suppose it was after the CoR itself.
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does someone have the image that let's you see your progress in flyable heart?
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>>141273511
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>>141273413
boo fucking hoo, i guess shitposting isnt so easy if you have to pick a name and everyone can see your vhost, faggot
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>>141273677
thanks man
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How would you translate 'じわ'? liek sniff/tear is fucking retarded just like jadednetwork. Is there no list with proper sound effects in english?
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I'm restarting because I fucked myself by remembering kanji instead of words/pronounciation (only 800 words in)

Is there a good meme deck I should use or stick to core 2k/6k?
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>>141274271
Don't restart. Set the daily new cards to 0 and focus on the cards you've seen. It's more efficient this way.
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>>141273057
Hmm, I suppose the audio makes this more difficult. It means if you change the example sentence, you have to do away with the audio. And finding pictures that match a specific example sentence is much more difficult than just finding situations where a super common word is used in a simple sentence. That kinda ruins it.

So I guess the question is just whether people think the second project would be worthwhile but it doesn't seem so atm.
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If you're so good at Japanese, tell me how you pronounce this single word.

日本
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>>141274684
わ。
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Is there a reason why that せ at the end has a handakuten rather than a dakuten?
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>>141274830
Not enough pixels
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>>141263986
maybe its just you who needs to move on dude

dont worry ill keep taking good care of everyone

>>141264805
thats cool dude keep up the "good" work

>>141265202
ボクをズボンがうんこした

if you want posting lessons i charge ¥6900 per hour paypal its a worthwhile investment if you want to adapt and survive in the 荒野 cause i know you cant post to save your life dude

>>141270603
me too thats why i read visual novellas

>>141272820
analysis of manga you mean more hey i cant read this can somebody just translate it for me posts? sounds good

you know how i feel about those little fuckin idiot cards. if i put you in the middle of southside kawasaki with the shirt on your back and some flash cards you would starve to death in mere seconds

also youre not promising to do anything? nice another half hearted post paggroly whining about how something needs to happen but not doing it yourself lmao

>>141273165
ill come and hang out hold on

>>141274684
hold on let me consult my flashcards

>>141274830
its actually to let you know the dudes gay not even joking
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>>141275020
Kill yourself.
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>>141275108
chill yourself
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>>141274986

But you can see the dakuten right next to it and it looks different.

>>141275020

Well he did use わ a bit earlier.
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>>141275220
>But you can see the dakuten right next to it and it looks different.
That's because the other kana have more space in the upper right corner
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My ぺにす is bleeding atm wtfガイズ
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>>141275657
切って
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>>141275729
I don't see the 線
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>>141275401
But why would that be necessary considering the sentence ends on a 。? Why would there be a technical restriction?
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>>141276214
You are asking too many questions.
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>>141276214
Go look up how fonts work
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>>141276214
Honestly dude my reaction to seeing it is "well that looks funny but it's obviously ぜ" so I think >>141276283 has it right
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>>141276283
>>141276426
>>141276465

To be fair, that's a different guy asking that. I've begrudgingly accepted that it's a ぜ.
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>>141276571
>begrudgingly accepted
I presume this is code for "suppressed my autism"
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literal retard here

is there any particular reason why the more I practice on anki and learn cards the less I seem to able to understand from reading actual stuff?

I'm starting to get the feeling that even after I turn 60 years old I will never be able to read Japanese
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>>141276829
doing flashcards is basically like smoking

if you quit now you have a chance at a good life

if you dont well youre gonna end up like this dude >>141276426
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>>141276633

It still really looks like a handakuten to me but it doesn't seem like that's possible.

>In Ainu texts, handakuten can be used with the katakana セ to make it a /ts/ sound, セ゚ ce [tse]

But of course, this isn't written in Ainu or anything.
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why is the noun for one ひとつ and not いちとつ

why japanese people
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>>141276966
im telling you the character in the pic is gay dude or at least like bicurious

its definitely a lisp not the developer making a game where you cant even use the original text 100% of the time just believe me one time
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>>141276966
I see, it really is autism.
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>>141277166
Because you are a brain dead 下郎め
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>>141276957

how else am I supposed to learn kanji?

I've already read Japanese the Manga Way but I even after focusing so much on verb conjugations I still feel like that didn't quite sink into my mind, hence why I'm a fucking retard.

I could barely understand when a verb's negative or not, let alone when it's a fucking passive transitive etc.
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>>141277252
but why
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>>141277333
I don't know it probably has something to do with your shitty 親 and ゴミ遺伝子 but another cause might be watching a lot of Japanese content like anime, vns and lns
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>>141277539
but how do i watch a vn
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>>141277291
Don't engage with Jamal. Before worrying about any of his suggestions, keep in mind that he spends his time shitposting here and posts broken Japanese despite having studied Japanese for years.
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>>141277641
You open the exe file and just stare into the screen waiting for your 脳 to degrade rapidly
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>>141277876
ok thanks
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>>141277750
He can decide what to do on his own, not everyone is a beta like you.
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>>141277291
learn kanji by necessity dude whats more important is a solid foundation like the one provided by tyler kim in addition to being actively engaged in things that make you use that foundation so that you can build upon it through experiences

you actually have to do stuff you cant just learn japanese entirely by proxy

>>141277333
i dont know dude it just is accept reality

>>141277750
yeah basically what this dude said 爆笑
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>>141277923
But I learned* Japanese before DJT was created

*By which I mean I was no longer referring to grammar resources and was just reading VNs.
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>>141278015
so whats your issue then like generally in life

id like to get to know my friends who already know so much about me
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>>141278015
I learned Japanese* just by playing** VNs too
*By which I mean knowing common words like Onii chan Iku zo desu gomenasai arigatou itadakimasu
**By which I mean sitting and trying to read then just skipping everything hard
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should i apply for jet school or an eikawa school?
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>>141277924

> you actually have to do stuff you cant just learn japanese entirely by proxy

Yes, I've read a lot about people focusing entirely on anki which is highly discouraged.

I guess I'll start back at square one. Do you have any good guides that talks about particles? I need to go over に, を and で to learn their differences properly.
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>>141278291
Okinawa school I'm there right now
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>>141278336
There is a guy called Tyler Kim he has a very good guide for beginners like yourself but I can't be bothered to give you a link so you would have to go out and ask the streets where to find him
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>>141278336
I was like you. If you're so dedicated about japanese, just start talking to japanese people online. Theres apps and websites for it now. Talking will give you the best feel for it possible, and I dare say, even better than reading. But I could try to explain this

で is best thought of, as via. Via 2 hours. Reading via in the library. Hitting via the bat.

に is to. and specific time dates. Like specific. 後に would mean right after. I went to the library. I went to the bus. バスに乗る is i boarded on the bus.

を is the easiest one of them all. Just know how direct objects work.
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>>141278336
yeah just ask in the streets or on google for ty kim japanese and im sure itll get you where you need to be

tell ty i sent you hell take care of you
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>>141278777
You aren't funny.
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>tfw wanted to learn Japanese but then discovered that Japan is not a majority atheist country
Fuck this language.
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>>141278847
Actually he is pretty funny makes me 笑 and even 爆笑 sometimes
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>>141278770

> just start talking to japanese people online
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>>141278770
what is the difference between saying 逆にあるもの and 逆であるもの

>>141278847
thanks for the heads up dude are you sure you dont also want to tell me to kill myself
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>>141278450
Every time I talk about going to japanese college, because Im interested. Everyone, including japanese people, are like "Our colleges are bad" So idk. Im going to be a STEM major.

I dont even know if I want to work in Japan, because working there basically is hell. The only reason I bothered learning japanese is so I can get japanese wife.
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>>141278990
find out for yourself whether or not its 'hell'
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>>141278990
college is what you make of it no matter where you go

its just high school is so full of pressure in japan that people will easily say college is a joke

however if youre motivated and driven and at an institution that facilitates that then you can find a serious academia experience in japan or anywhere
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>>141278990
That was a joke lol there is no such thing as as Okinawa school they don't have schools in that place are you shouki?
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>>141278938
Is that picture supposed to imply you are autistic and can't talk to real people? I think we get that already メイト
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>>141264830
Absolute beginner:
- Axanael
- Hanahira
Starting to read properly:
- Flyable heart
- Basically any proper moege with an introduction that you can almost understand
Moving from beginner material to intermediate material:
- The leyline trilogy is seriously your best bet if you want a stepping stone, it increases from moege difficulty to charage difficulty from game to game. Otherwise just pick something that looks interesting and JUST READ IT.
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>>141279191
Axanael really is easier than Flyable Heart?
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>>141277924

I'm trying to detach myself from anki. What are some good, simple manga to read?

There's some guide out there that recommends yotsubato, sketchbook and auira. Are these any good?

Should I read a chapter on my own then look up an english translation to see how I did?
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>>141279028
>low pay
>working hours so long, you sleep in your office
Even if I like my job, I still will never be able to see my wife and kids.
>>141279100
Im definitely studying in japan during the summer. I guess I could always transfer if I like it. Idk.
>>141279102
My bad. I misread it as Osaka. Osaka chan is best girl
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>>141279187

I just don't think I should be engaging in conversation with natives without as much as a loose grasp on the basic particles.
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>>141279264
Aside from being full of slang I would say so, but it's probably because it's so short
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I'm about 400 cards into a kanji anki deck but I'm being a stupid fucking retard and just learning the kanji meaning, not the kunyomi or onyomi readings.

Should I just off myself? I know this is going to fuck me over when I'm trying to learn vocab / jukugo.
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>>141279383
If you are not autistic as most of the anime guys here you can start pretty early after you get a grasp on the basics
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>>141279383
not really. I strongly encourage talking with natives as soon as possible. It really helps. REALLY helps. Plus, you'll meet fellow neets that browse 2chan I use HelloTalk. Then you could try lang-8 or italki

If you use hellotalk. Make sure to spam こんにちは to as many nips as possible. Because chances are they wont respond. Try at least 10.
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>>141279490
Kanji study is useless udner all circumstances please do not engage in it I beg you.
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>>141279490
Just learn vocab now, lone kanji study isn't worthwhile.
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>>141279516

I'm autistic enough to not know a single thing about Japanese even after seriously getting into it since October 2014

and by seriously I mean "seriously" because I'm a stupid fucking retard that will reach 60 years old without having a basic grasp on the language kljaslkdnmalsdasaa
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>>141279597
That's your problem to overcome メイト why do you even study it if you don't want to?
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>>141279191
>>141279449
Is the game not on sukebei? Searching for アザナエル and I'm pretty sure the top 5 results aren't it
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>>141279583
THIS! Kanji study is useless or as we say in japan 感じの勉強は無駄です
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>>141279688
They're it but they're slow as fuck so take this http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3358741
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>>141279581

Really? I feel like it has been useful to me in that I can actually read some stuff now that what I know what the kanji means, like 帰る and 中出し
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>>141279831
... yeah and if you studied vocab in that time you'd know more words.
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>>141279700
Sudoku yourself
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>>141279751
Well, this one isn't really alive either. Shit.
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>>141279688
Maybe try the big Nitro+ pack that was the only way to get Dra Koi back when I played it
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>>141279994
>>141280019
Nevermind, some russki started seeding so it's good now
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>>141279913
This is a form of kanji study if yes i cant do thsi...
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>>141279264
frankly id just replace axanael with umineko

>>141279320
i havent read those and i dont read much manga the last two manga i read were 紫色のクオリア(sux) and かくかくしかじか(good) but i think they are probably reasonable for someone who isnt searching for the very first thing to read in their life

as far as looking up english translations are you trying to learn japanese or are you trying to just butcher every bit of japanese you see by turning it into english?

try writing summaries of stuff you read in japanese. i think even the people who identify as "advanced" here wouldnt fare too well in that so its a good thing to do for anyone and the sooner you start the better off youll be

>>141279700
感じ練習なんか微妙だな

>>141279913
your posting is endoku bro
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>>141279994
It is I can confirm with 200% certainty I am a pro in VNs.
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>>141280087
Sudoku (酢毒 - acid poisoning) is a ritual suicide that was used before people started gutting themselves.
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>>141280139
Okay I will do that to clean my honor if I start any form of kanji study by mistake (even unconsciously in my sleep)
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>>141280050
https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=280401&showfiles=1
There's this one too.
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>>141277750
>>141277750
>>141277750
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I want to put my ちんぽ in a 女の子 so badly I'm fucking tired of オナヌー...
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>>141280618
Your point doesn't become any more valid if you shout it like an idiot just saying [x3]
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>>141280618
keep kicking and screaming muppet
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>>141280131

> as far as looking up english translations are you trying to learn japanese or are you trying to just butcher every bit of japanese you see by turning it into english?

I want to know if I'm understanding it since 90% of the shit I read I read it wrong, like a bubble being spoken by the wrong person in my head, x being referred to as y and viceversa
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>>141280677
It's valid without doing that
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>>141280809
you should be able to be weened off of that fairly early if youre getting the foundation you need

think about how to ask the questions you have when you read something in japanese instead of in english
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>>141280851
It's not, don't engage with jamal if you don't want to but don't try to impose your stupid opinion on anyone else. Respect other people, it seems like you don't understand that they have person agency too.
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Anki isn't actually hindering your japanese study at all. It greatly helps. People are just not using it the right way to study.
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>>141281212
Great picture it is very relevant to the discussion.
P.S Please post more we care about your thoughts.
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>>141281212
your pictures gross but your reasoning is reasonable 賛成
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>the yojijukugo in Kuromukuro aren't even in edict
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>>141281108
yes ignoring the problem will make it go away
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>>141281108
So out of
>he spends his time shitposting here and posts broken Japanese despite having studied Japanese for years
which statements do you think are false? And given that they are all true, do you not think it's a good idea to keep it in mind before taking his advice?
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how did komeiji easily read dies irae (kanji count of 2754) when he says he knows 1500-2000
how can we reach the level of our official guy
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>all this time arguing over minuscule matters instead of doing your reps
You can't learn japanese
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>>141281389
Yeah I agree it has been working so well for the past month.
>>141281396
I don't care about jamal's Japanese but you shouldn't tell people who they should talk to.
If he is a retard and takes advice from a place like this then he deserves it.
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>>141280996

no, brother

I don't think you understand my predicament.

image related is original text

how I "read" it, (f it can be called that):
> what the hell are you talking about... that guy, tokawa... he's the one that's been bullying me! he's the kind of guy who gets stronger from bullying others... and is trying to make me follow in his steps!!

Even if you have a basic grasp of Japanese after you read that oncee you can clearly tell that how I read it is not even close to the original and I simply do not know how to correct this. Everything I read comes out wrong.
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>>141281551
Oh yeah because 'reps' as you call them take about 23 hours to complete that leaves 1 hour for eating and sleeping and maybe I can sneak in some shitposting in that time frame.
Btw anki is a placebo.
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>>141281545
----> r/vn r/japanese r/shit
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>>141281678
>---->
is this some reddit speak im not aware of?
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>>141281780
Yes it means that you should pick another site to post stupid shit (reddit)
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>>141281803
ok maybe youre just new here
when directing people elsewhere you usually write like this
>>>/vg/
thank me later
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>>141281607
Part of the reason I think VNs are so good for learning as a beginner is because voiced lines make the parsing much more obvious. It would be clear that it's
何言ってんだよアイツ

戸川あ僕をイジメているんじゃないか

強くなれって人をイジメるようなやつを見習えって言うのかよっ

Although of course if you keep reading more you'll be able to do that more easily
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>>141281868
Yeah I just came from reddit it's a good site they really love discussing sophisticated people with names there you should check it out, thanks for the tip by the way :)
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>>141281983
no problem friend
learning is part of life
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>>141281924

my point is I completely botched the third and fourth bubbles and I simply cannot stop doing this with everything I read

the only way I can read it properly is if someone else who's fluent translates for me so I can see where I fucked up, hence why I asked if I should read Yotsubato raw first and then give the chapter I just read a go in English to see how I did
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>>141281626
You can do 500 cards in 1 hour if you know everything, and if you don't know every single card, then its a good thing you were using anki.
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2chから来ました。みんな日本語上手いっすね
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>>141282069
find the yotsuba reading pack
download graded readers from the CoR
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>>141282087
Wow you really have some problems with social interactions I suggest you download an anki deck to help you with that
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>>141282127
2chから来ましたといういうけど
日本人だとは言わないね
なるほどなるほど
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>>141282216
日本人だよ?
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>>141282137
you're a moron.
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>>141282314
That word didn't come up in my flashcards yet can you give me a definition? I'm talking about the word moron :(
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>>141281396
its good to be informed but most of what goes on is just personal attacks by the wailing clowns trapped in a giant pit of flashcards lmao

think like one of those plastic ball pits but its actually just all flashcards instead of balls

>>141281607
all i can say is ファイト dude

>>141282216
hi my names nippon jim yoloshiku
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>>141282267
どうして日本人がここに来られたのですか
日本人のお役に立つようなものなどございませんよ?
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>>141282267
妄想はよくない
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Axanael is pretty cool, though I can't read the choices or settings menu, nor what the stuff at the top is when you mouse there. Text is pretty easy though
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>>141282749
A VN is easy, wow, who would have thought.
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>>141282441
無力な外人と話しようかな

やっぱりつまんねえよなあ

はいこれあげる

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwha7bpD4o
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>>141283113
Why are you incapable of writing a single post with Japanese that actually makes sense
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>>141284018 new thread
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>>141283705
because im from djt
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>>141284035
epic, simply epic
Thread posts: 529
Thread images: 66


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