Haifuri

>>141203709
They appear to not have enough SoL footage to actually put them in the preview. So it looks like we will have combat.

>>141203751
I think they are finally trying to drop the pretense of no combat happening, since they've already done it for the four previous episodes.

That or they're actually still fooling us with most of the episode focusing on relaxation time on the Harekaze.

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Munetani-san is cute.

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Swimsuits.

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Best girl.

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Why is Mike so exited?

>>141203709
What the hell, the AA gun ports are welded over?

If no planes then why even put the turrets there in the first place.

>>141206440
The Great Balloon War

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>>141206440
What do you mean? The 25mm turrets appear to still have guns, while the little knobs without guns on the mast structure are actually various flavors of rangefinders and fire control directors for the AA.

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>Girls, it's been a long war, it's been a tough war. You've fought bravely, proudly for your country. You're a special group. You've found in one another a bond that exists only in combat, among sisters. You've shared cabins, held each other in dire moments. You've seen death and suffered together. I'm proud to have served with each and every one of you. You all deserve long and happy lives in peace.

>>141206042
>Why is Mike so exited?
Because Moka's going to die.

>>141207285
No one will die in Haifuri.

>>141207140
Every day until we like it?

>>141207140
When this series is over, you should start making daily threads with this.

>rats got on men ship

>>141211065
Not necessarily. The Harekaze was announced to be a mutinous ship at that point and that they had attacked two other ships.

>>141211163
The rats did get on the men ships this episode.

>>141211163
He's talking about the latest episode which indeed had rats on the men's ship.

>>141212852
Mike in casual clothing is surprisingly cute.

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Cutest couple.

>>141215853
If this show doesn't end with a kiss, I'd be so disappointed

>>141215853
Enjoy your Moka screentime. You won't see her again till the end.

>>141216249
I enjoyed every second of it.

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>>141215853
OTP

Will Mike visit Moka in prison when she's jailed for leading an attack on an entire fleet?

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>cats hunt mind control mice
>cats are immune to mice mind control
>haifuri girls become catgirls to combat mind control

>>141218190
Fund it.

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>>141218190

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Since when did she join the crew? Is everyone on the german ship dead or won't deal with her anymore?

So since the mice can perform a jamming to electronic equipment, it's safe to say this whole accident isn't natural right.

Alien ?
American biological weapon ?

>>141220334
They all got space hamstered

>Shiro yelled some sense into Mike
>she still left the ship
Why is Mike such a shitty captain? We should throw her out and have Wilgelmina or Shiro take her place.

>>141220598
Plot armor thicker than the Yamato

>>141220598
Why do you think she got the worst assignment in the fleet? She is a terrible captain.

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>>141220598
She's literally the Schettino of the navy.

>>141220827
Schettino left when his own ship started to sink.

>>141220356
It's clearly Lockheed Martin

>>141220827
Is that the man that left when he ran his cruise ship aground?

>>141221169
Yes.

He decided to go near an island to greet the islanders.
Ran ship aground.
Left his ship.
Called his mom from the lifeboat.
Told officials he fell off the boat.
Refused to go back after the maritime officials ordered him to go back.
Got 16 years of prison.

>>141221141
Macchi make me as your bride.

>>141220911
She left her ship before it started to sink AND sank before it

I'm not entirely sure I like the direction this show is going.

>>141221141
Reminder that she's a ikemen and that, unless you are a girl, liking her is gay.

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>>141211065
>girls got men in the rigging

>>141221141
Oh yes.

>>141220334
she is turning 16?

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This episode only reinforced my top furi. Especially Coco and Brown Sugar bonding over yakuza movies
>>141221568
If liking Macchi is gay I don't want to be straight.

>>141221317
Don't you have some accounting to do?

>>141221651
Yes, accounting for the wedding budget.

The magic hamsters are really disappointing. This could have been fantastic with an interesting plot. The harekaze getting let off the hook so easily was disappointing too, I wanted to see them fight all the way back to school.

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I don't know why I find this so hilarious.

>>141221719
It is God telling her that homosexuality is a sin and that she will burn in hell for it.

I know they're probably just going to forgive her but I hope they reject her as captain for a while. I would seriously hesitate to trust my captain if they said what she said out loud.

>>141221804
But Shiro will win the Mikebowl. God is just telling them this particular pairing is shit.

>>141221700
>not liking magic hamsters
Fucking casuals...

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>expect GuP
>get Saving Private Moka

>>141221700
I was hoping for the hamster to be just a lost test subject that had the virus, and wasn't the main vessel to spread the disease. Then that scene of them scurrying around on top of the instructor ship happened, and I lost hope. It is easily the worst part of the show.

>>141221700
Magic hamsters is the only somewhat original thing in the entire anime and I hope they double down on it.

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>>141221918
>Shiro will win the Mikebowl

>>141203794

Who the fuck knows? 5 episodes in this looks like another one of those Aniplex backed shows where how it's being marketed seems to be the biggest consideration for the project over what actually happens in the show and how it develops. They probably don't even know themselves yet and the show is starting to seem like it's throwing every checklist dart it possibly can at the board to see what sticks and if it can still rope in the GuP audience. What this show really needed was somebody behind it that actually cared enough about the genre and hammering out a clear sort of genre and concept appeal of it's own like GuP and Arpeggio had but nope. I just hope GuP and/or Arpeggio can manage to land another season soon. IMO it's probably actually hurting it's preorders early on because any potential moeblob fans don't want to buy a show where their waifu might get killed and military fans don't just want to buy a show where that barely gets any consideration in the long run so hiding the premise keeps both from pre-ordering early. It's not like it doesn't have potential, it's just kind of badly marketed and confusing people

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I want to touch her torikaji ippais

Would you rather have a virus like the Homeworld: Catalysm beast infesting the ships, or magical space hamsters?

>>141221987
The worst part is that they named "Admiral Graf Spee" as "Admiral Spee" and named Willi after the most incompetent admiral in the Imperial Navy

>>141222010
original doesn't necessarily mean good

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Mike doesn't deserve to be captain. That place belongs to Shiro.

>>141222010
Yeah, created by what looks like a pharmaceutical company called the Abyss. Real original there.

>>141221568
Is "ikemen girl" an actual thing in anime? I don't think I've ever seen that. Mostly they are referred as "prince-type" or just bull dyke.

>>141222223
I am not sure if I got the reference.

>>141221719
can someone post the webm of that other "looks like she's being fucked" haifuri?

>>141222223
>pharmaceutical company called the Abyss
Abyss is a delivery company you idiot.

>>141222085
What about Hinamizawa Syndrome on the boats? Or small bombs.

>>141222335
I am Ok with that. But there are no roofs to fight on, and no meat cleavers. And no Nippa.

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>>141222267
You mean this?

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Anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?

>>141222180
Her bad luck will make the ship sink.

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>>141222267

>>141222381
Whoops, wrong one

>>141222428
So what if a girl wants to wear cat ears?

>>141222428
As anon have said >>141218190

>>141222428
Not even Haifuri's alternate reality was spared the Bluetooth Douchebag Headset

>>141222428
Cat ears.

>>141222443
Do not lewd the Rin!

>>141222169
I've only played GalCiv 2 but the difference is that you can actually control your ships during battles in SotS.
The semi-randomized nature of the tech tree also keeps things fresh enough.
The downsides though are that diplomacy is extremely simplistic compared to other 4Xs and certain DLC races cause memory leaks if they're ingame long enough.

>>141222428
FOUR EARS

>>141222062
>Arpeggio

Probably never. The anime had a ton of original content and basically complete diverged from the manga story, and it's wasn't very well received.

>>141222180
Man, I want someone to slap Mike in the face from abandoning the ship. Your crew man, of course they're more important than your fellow soccer mate which you've never seen in three years.

>>141222621

But that won't happen.

That's why this whole 'cute girls doing not at all cute things' craze needs to end.

Gonne be honest senpaitachi, I wish I was friend with every single Hai-Furi

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>>141222671
It will. It's mutiny time.

>>141222678
I'd clean the toilets with my bare hands if I could serve aboard the ship and have my lesbian adventures.

>>141222649
Someone please make the I came here to laugh edit. I'll be eternally grateful.

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>>141222443
thanks

>>141222548
Ahhh. Good to know. Will try it out!

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>>141222428
Shit, man. I thought this was just a coincidence, like a piece of the background being drawn in just right, but cat ears are well and truly confirmed for brawl.

>>141222802
No problemo

>>141222726
True. I bet this bitch hates Mike because she loves Shiro, so she will try to get rid off of Mike, make Shiro the captain and she herself will become the deputy captain.

>>141222811
What did she mean by this?

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TORIKAJI IPPAI

>>141222083
TORIKAJI OPPAI

>>141222880
She rightfully hates Mike because she's an awful captain and Shiro deserves to have her spot. If Shiro was in charge they wouldn't be in this mess.

>>141222811
So how did I not notice that

>>141222811
Maybe the cat ears are a device that protects from being brain controlled by the hamsters.

Or just hair decoration that looks cute.

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>>141222984

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>>141223074
Sounds retarded enough to be true

>>141222671
Shiro is fully capable of doing that. Like, what about "this is my ship now, you gave it to me, remember?". And Mike will back down, being mellow and shit, then Shiro will slap her in the face to get her shit straight. Ship captain has 100x more responsibility weight than a fucking tank commander. If a tank destroyed, 3 ~ 6 people will die max. If a ship is destroyed, more than 100 people will die or 30 people in Hrekaze case.

>>141223074
>Or just hair decoration that looks stupid.

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>>141222775

>>141223144

Right, I'm saying that it happening would violate the conventions of the CGDCT genere, and thus saying it could happen and should happen, but won't.

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>>141223144
>Shiro is fully capable of doing that. Like, what about "this is my ship now, you gave it to me, remember?". And Mike will back down, being mellow and shit, then Shiro will slap her in the face to get her shit straight.

>>141223017
You're right. If Shiro's the captain, then the Harekaze wouldn't even be afloat!

>>141223321
The instructor was mind-controlled and wasn't aiming to kill.

>>141223255
danke schön!

>>141223144
Being in command of a destroyer brings you the same sort of responsibility as being a tank company's commander.
Still, I expect Mashiro to take command, and only to get the girls nearly killed in a firefight because she sucks as a battlefield commander. Mashiro is a good career officer though.

>>141223148
>>141223074
>>141222811
>>141222428
It has to be part of the headset that you can see on her left cheek. Why it's cat ears is anyone's guess.

>The Musashi wankery this episode when it was in
reality a useless overdeveloped resource sink

A modern cruiser, which is what it seemed the boy's school ships were using, could have taken the Musashi out from way out of her effective range with missiles.

>Misaki abandoning her entire crew, the people who she's been given the responsibility to keep alive, to save one person on another ship.

She is unfit to lead. Even Tama would be a better captain.

>Shooting the Musashi's shells out of the air

I can suspend my disbelief to a certain point, but I'm supposed to believe that Tama was able to accurately predict the trajectory of a shell moving at over a mile per second and adjust the Harekaze's firing angle to intercept it in under 10 seconds using nothing but binoculars? I'm sorry, but even a modern computer couldn't do that let alone an autistic child.

>>141223321
>Harekaze wouldn't even be afloat!

By all rights, they shouldn't be. The Reichboat should have sent them to bottom without trouble, and the submarine crew didn't seem to be trying.

Also, that was a Japanese sub. Shouldn't they be using Glorious Nippon Oxygen Torpedoes folded more than a thousand times to produce no bubble trail?

>>141223493
No bubble trail doesn't mean you don't leave a trail. It's just that you are much harder to detect until rather up close, although why they aren't using the oxygen torp is beyond me.

>>141223489

Did you miss the part that all the boy's ships were firing 'training rounds'? They weren't trying to blow the Musashi up, they were trying to make it stop. I'm pretty sure any WW2 BB could give no fucks about a bunch of glorified metal tubes hitting it's hull.

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Can you hear the sound of a hardcore localizationfag crying, because someone directly mentioned one of the things he localized previously? Isn't it beautiful how he suffers after being forced to leave something in Japanese for the sake of making sense?

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Who let the maniac back on the bridge? She's shooting again in no time!

>>141223489
>>141223612
You should've been in the last thread. Now I have to say it to you again.
Their FCS is digital. The eyeball rangefinder isn't doing the hard task. Tama was good, but the ship's using modern surface radar to make that hard kill happen; the rangefinder is only responsible to check the elevation and training of the turrets.

>>141223698
>In before he localizes it further anyways because he is too butthurt

>>141223489

Exactly. Even if they don't have missiles, the rapid-fire gun (76mm? 5 inch?), while not able to penetrate the Musashi's belt armor, would be able to trash everything above the waterline - optics, radar, secondaries - and probably burn it down with sustained fire.

>>141223703
>She's shooting again in no time!
She already did.

>>141223721

But if they have the mechanical ability to fire with that kind of precision and computers fast enough to compute and plot the shots, it should be standard tactics.

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There are rats on the boy ships! :O
Also, why are there boy ships? I thought the whole blue mermaid thing was because they couldn't have ships captained by men because of the treaty yet here they are being captains.

Here's some action for ya

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>>141223750
And she did it while the captain was away! What did she mean by this?

>>141223698
>"Why do you use Euros instead of Nippons in Germany?"
>Koko becomes a day trader instead of a gangster and boasts about shorting sivalley startups

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If it hasn't been mentioned yet, these are Akizuki guided missile destroyers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akizuki-class_destroyer_%282010%29

>>141223856
>Koko becomes a day trader instead of a gangster
She's gonna have millions or even billions of Zimbabwe dollars.

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>>141223816
>:O
Don't do this shit.

>>141223612
Then why, when their reinforcements arrived, did they continue to use those same useless torpedoes? And why don't they have any better weapons? Even if It's a training ship they should have something as a backup. I mean even the Harekaze had a real depth charge and live ammo.

Also, when the Harekaze used her training torpedo it completely incapacitated the instructor ship They seem to gave more than a bang.

>>141223816
>Also, why are there boy ships? I thought the whole blue mermaid thing

This is a good question - maybe for the real navy everyone pretends not to have, or for the Orbital Forces?

>>141223816
Probably some ship for training and checking the subs. So is someone in the boys camp behind the rats?

>>141223721

I don't know why you quoted my post since what you said had literally nothing to do with what I said. Rangefinders and computers doesn't change the fact that the boy's ships were firing dummy rounds because they didn't want to blow up the Musashi.

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Imagine the Haifuri world with airplanes and add the electronics jamming rodents to the equation. That world's airline industry would collapse within a day after all those rat induced plane crashes.

>>141223811
Well, it's not, because a WW2 destroyer is not really expected to use their primary armament this way. If it were the 5" on the AEGIS destroyer though, then it by all means would be used in such a role.
Even if the 10cm/65 was designed for anti-air role, it was definitely incapable of intercepting incoming rounds using mark 0 eyeballs.

>>141223816
>>141223914
>!
Or this

>>141223816
>Also, why are there boy ships?
They are from the boys' school.

>>141223748

Except they were intentionally going out of their way NOT to fuck over the Musashi. If they wanted to sink her they'd probably just sit outside her firing range and lob missiles at her. The whole point is the training ships were firing dummy rounds in an attempt to stop the Musashi, not light it on fire and kill the crew.

>>141223921
Well this is what live ammo an Akizuki class destroyer has.

Torpedoes on modern destroyers that aren't training rounds only have a 100 lb max warhead usually. Baby tier in comparison to 600 lb+ warheads of modern submarines and WW2. Since torpedoes on DDs are relegated for anti-submarine warfare.

Their anti-ship missiles seemed to be EMP jammed becaused hamster stuff. The only real chance is to continuously pepper the superstructure of the Musashi with their 76mm gun.

Also firing on a aluminum hull LCS vs. an armored WW2 Yamato class BB is quite a change.

>>141223489
Don't underestimate autistics children

>>141223976
You underestimate airplanes` ability to operate without electronics stuff.

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>>141223074
The other girl who holds the recording device isn't rocking any cat ears. Rejecting the innocent hair decoration theory because that would be boring, here is some speculah:
>The device merely detects mice (going hand in hand with the fact that it resembles ears), so it's only necessary for one of the pair to wear it
>Alternately, the device works against mice in a certain radius, so it's enough to equip one of the pair if they stick together. The girls actually stick together whenever we see them, so it's plausible.
>When departing the ship, the girl puts a hat over the cat ears. This means the cat ears are either irrelevant at this point (no longer interrogating? abovedeck?) or not inhibited by the hat.

>>141223921
Why do training schiffe even carry live ammo? You don't give truppen live and blank ammo in a live fire excercise..

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>>141224087
There are pilots who cannot fly even with all of the assistive electronics. Imagine what would happen when you took those away.

>>141224087
Most modern planes are fly-by-wire, they can't operated without electronics no matter how much you want to. And some military planes are so instable they will crash in the minute their electronic switches off.

>>141223721
Do you have any idea how hard it is to hit a tiny fast moving object with another tiny fast moving object? It's almost impossibly hard. I don't care how good their fcs ism it literally can't be that good.

Also, in the episode 1 threads when people were speculating why the instructor ship was missing, there were tons of people like you saying that even 5% accuracy for naval warfare is amazing. So which is it, is their FCS amazingly accurate beyond current science, or is it amazingly inaccurate like it was 4 episodes ago? You can't have both?

>>141224027

When you are taking fire, that is no longer your mission. The crew of the enemy vessel is cute girls does not diminish your responsibility to your ship and crew, even if they are merely male extras.

>>141224214
>Brazilians

Well, there's your problem.

>>141224214
>That dialogue
It's like straight out of a comedy sketch, how unfortunate.

>>141223921

The Harekaze doesn't have live ammunition. Every single weapon they have is 'training'. Their shells are basically dummy rounds, their depth charges have massively weakened yields and their torpedoes have weak yields as well.

The entire point is that these ships can't pose much of a threat. Why do you think modern destroyers that have paper-thin armor are tanking 18 inch shells and not going down? The Musashi, like the Harekaze, only has training rounds.

I don't know if the instructor ships get live ammunition or not, but so far the Harekaze (and thus the Musashi by extension) has no live ammunition whatsoever. Everything is gimped to do a little damage to another ship and not much more. Hence why a submarine took a depth charge to the face and showed no signs of damage.

>>141224061
>76mm gun.

It's a 127mm, and with the rate of fire either would have, that's hardly out of the question, especially is they retreated to the range where the Musushu's range would suffer.

>>141224214
I hope my last words will be more dignified than that

>>141221141
Why is this character even female when it has girls listing for her cock.

>>141224457
If she wasn't female, she'd be spotting ships from a submarine.

>>141224219
>>141224214

Yeah, but we don't build our aircraft on the assumption that impossible things (like Luddite Field Mice) will happen.

>>141224240
Sorry, but these males extras don't want to kill students.

>>141224308
If they're dummy rounds why, when fighting the Admiral Spee, did the captain specifically say unlocking live ammo? Even if that wasn't the case, the Musashi clearly does have live ammo judging by all the explosions this episode. Stoppulling "facts" out of your ass.

>>141224219
I mean electronics like glass cockpit, radio beacons and all that. Mice doesn`t seem to affect wiring anyway.
>>141224214
Doesn`t mean good pilots wont be able to save the day.
>such a dumb cunt

>>141224308
>The Harekaze doesn't have live ammunition
Stop being a retard. Did you already forget the episode when Mike and Shiro pulled their keys to use live ammo?

>>141224308
Not true. The training vessels do carry a certain number of live rounds. Harekaze used such against the Spee.

>>141224229
Only something akin to AEGIS combat system has a real chance of using projectile to achieve such a hard kill. The weapon system has to engage the gun FCS and activate the guns for something like this to happen. It's not beyond current science to make this hard kill happen. It's not doable on analog director with eyeball fire directors though.

It is true that 5% is considered good back in ww2, but that's not excusable for a modern FCS such as the Sarushima to do that badly. Is it a case of ECCM rats onboard fucking her up there? Maybe, considering what happened to the ASROCs in this episode.

>>141224170
>You don't give truppen live and blank ammo in a live fire excercise
Maybe it doesn't live up to German safety standards, at least for the post-war era, but it can and should be done in times of very high alert, for example if actual combat could take place right in the middle of the exercise.

This episode just had way to many logic, plot, and judgement holes to be in any way enjoyable.

Misaki is the worst fucking captain ever to abandon her crew like that. She deserves a fucking court martial.

>>141224597
>It's not beyond current science to make this hard kill happen.
On paper, maybe. Is there any example of this actually happening in real life?

>>141224939
>Misaki is the worst fucking captain ever to abandon her crew like that. She deserves a fucking court martial.

This desu. She started off really strong, but now she's forgotten the very thing that made her a good captain to save her gf.

>>141224597
>It's not beyond current science to make this hard kill happen

Yes, though you still what the ability to throw a lot of rounds and work the averages.

>>141224957

It's capable of anti-air and anti-missile work, though missiles are preferred for both tasks.

I don't think anyone has tested it against naval artillery, though, because that's not really a thing anymore.

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>>141218190
That seems to already be in the works.

>>141224939
>She deserves a fucking court martial.

Nope, cute girls.

>>141221589
Kouko a cute.

>>141225060
Strictly speaking, the 10cm/65 could throw enough. It was able to manage 15rpm in ww2, 19 rounds in theory (but restricted due to the ejection mechanism being too slow to cope with that rof)
I would assume it would easily do better than that here.

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Just noticed Musashi still retains some of their Type 96/25mm guns.

>>141224957
There are have been multiple accounts of CRAM systems intercepting artillery and mortar shells especially in regard to conflicts in the Middle East. You can also ask the Israelis for a good chunk of intercept occurrences.

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The fuck? Using ASROC's against a surface ship?

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Two of my favourites in one, nice.

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>>141225147
Non-ironically this.

>>141224909
Sounds like a disaster in making.
>shooting blanks at friendly soldaten
>BANG BANG CLICK
>hastily grab magazine and load into weapon
>kamaraden dies

>>141224939
>>141225030
>>141225147
I don't get why Mike seems to lose his head the moment he thinks about Moka. Just what is so special about her? It's as if Moka is Mike's siren or Lorelei who makes Mike loses his mind.

>>141224146
>When departing the ship, the girl puts a hat over the cat ears
It's obviously top secret technology that you can't just show to everyone.

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Look at this worthless bitch. Causing all that trouble and not even feelin' remorseful. Just sitting in bed eating her blumer pudding. Baka furushou senpai.

>>141225254
I was thinking about that too, but I'm guessing there'll be a flashback that explains why she cares so much.

>>141224957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Rocket,_Artillery,_and_Mortar
Mortar shells are the size of two-liter coke bottles, sometimes smaller.

>>141225254
>His
Why?

>>141225254
If you've watched Civil War, then Moka is Bucky.

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Best duo

>>141225060
That's what I'm saying. Missile to missile interception is one thing and that is possible with today's tech. But artillery to artillery interception, not so much. A shell is a much, much smaller target than a missile, and artillery doesn't have the advent of being able to fine tune trajectory mid-air like missiles do.

>>141225515
Why does shima keep saying oui?

>>141225547
I don't know, but I don't want it to stop.

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>>141225441
Mike is too much Captain Kirk for me to see a little girl on the screen. I don't care if Mike has tits; that ain't a little girl at all.
Seriously, Mike is more like a man at sea who's getting homesick for his darling.

>>141223465
>Why
Because!!

>>141225174

No, the problem is that they don't have the rest of the AEGIS system that doing something like that requires. Plus, an anti-ship battery isn't going to have the sort of precision fine control that task requires.

>>141225569
I'll make her stop with my dick in her mouth!

>>141225286
Why should she be remorseful? the students were late and she was correct in her decision to attack them.

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>>141225547
Isn't it obvious?

>>141225197

If they can't do aircraft, then cruise missiles are also out of the question without something very weird going on.

ICBMs would still be good to go, though. And also probably have the range needed to avoid the ECCM rat field.

>>141225547
I want to drink Tama's oui, if you know what I mean.

The infestation has been going on for a while. The higher-ups know, the Safety Board knows, but the schools (including the staff) are kept in the dark.
It could be that it's only recently started plaguing school ships, but you can see the Safety Board already has cat-ear countermeasures and makes no mistake about covering up each incident.
Seeing as the rat came from a delivery company's box, it's plausible that the infestation has commercial shipping and/or the postal system as vectors. If it hit proper military shipping first, you'd expect shit to hit the fan much faster, blowing the lid off the whole thing.
Airships like the one in this episode are probably the only places truly safe from the rats (until someone brings them in), and they're likely to provide contrast for infestations on a large scale causing cities to descend to madness.
Munetani's mom talks to the captain who fired on the Harekaze. Munetani herself has the autist and a genuine rat on board. The mother-daughter connection means they'll eventually meet - my guess is that each one will have one half of the puzzle, and they'll make the discovery together, possibly while already suspended/detained/discredited.

>>141225688
Even corporal punishment has its limits.

>>141225664
I will correct you only in that the 10cm gun wasn't really used as a surface to surface weapon during ww2. It was meant for anti-air and it worked with the type 93 high angle director for that task. AP shells meant against surface combatants were designed, but they weren't ever widely adopted.

Harekaze does possess surface scanning radars, band x and s. We haven't seen the kind of Weapon control system and the actual gun FCS that's employed by the Harekaze though, since there's no way that the eyeball Type 93 could respond in time. I actually think that this ship may have a display system at a CIC somewhere, but we'll need to see it in the anime to know.

>>141225867
>the Safety Board already has cat-ear countermeasures
Please don't start this, people will believe you

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>>141225580
Can you still say that after seeing these bad boys?

>>141225214
>they see your dick

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>>141224939
>court martial
Some quick OC here

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What a shitty captain.

>>141225518

Iron dome has done artillery, or at least mortars, but with missiles rather than guns.

Also, tests of AEGIS have done missiles with guns.

However, I don't think anyone would take shooting down a shell with another gun seriously.

>>141225254
Mike has been passively mindcontrolled all along, and Moeka is her trigger

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>>141226082
Nice job.

>>141224939
>little girls turn out to be bad soldiers
No fucking shit.

fucking waste of first half, shit.

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>>141225756
>The way Moka looked at it, this watch was your birthright. She'd be damned if any rats gonna put their greasy tiny hands on his girl's birthright, so she hid it, in the one place she knew she could hide something: her ass. Five long years, she wore this watch up hers ass. Then when she died of dysentery, she gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, Mike, I give the watch to you.

You know, thinking about it Mike actions were definitely weird. She talks so much about being family and doing things together and then she leaves like that.

I wish this was a 26 episodes anime and we could have seen more Moka and Mike past.

>>141226210
>waste

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What did she mean by this?

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>>141225931

I know the Japanese had a good 10cm gun (expcept for the part where it ate it's own barrels...), that is the one they're using on their main battery?

Then, or course, if they had a proper CIC, we wouldn't see anything else. Especially not the ocean.

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>>141226218

>>141226250

That she was using an aimhack.

>>141226250
she wants to smash clams

>>141226224
Best friends > family

>>141226110
C-RAM artillery is a thing but that's basically a variation of 35mm AAA with a lot higher ROF and technology than their 10cm cannon.

Did anybody else think of the Zipang episode where they intercepted a few shots from the Yamato?

>>141226160

Mind == Blown

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You can literally see how Doitsu-chan wants to ravage her enemies in an illegal war and kill some jews on the side.

>>141226224
Probably has something to do with how she considers everyone at sea family, not just the people on her own ship.

>>141226256
They switched over to the 10cm/65 by the end of the last episode. There's only one Kagerou class that ever got this fit, being Tan Yang (in before Chinks), and that was a hodgepodge DIY work.

>>141226352
There was no need to go full suicidal and try to reach Moka with the lance instead of using the Harekaze.

>>141226401
Both would be destroyed in a single hit from the Musashi. One is much small and faster and has one person on it instead of 30.

Do the math.

>>141226358
>C-RAM artillery is a thing but that's basically a variation of 35mm AAA with a lot higher ROF and technology than their 10cm cannon.

Right, that's my point. They don't have the right equipment or anything near the tech for C-RAM work.

>>141226250
Talk shell get hell

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Crow's nest chan looks like she's having fun but probably is keeping an eye out. Almos asdedicated as engi, haha.

>>141226144
Fuck you Shiro, let the captain swim in her underwear if she wants to.

>>141223489
Modern ASMs aren't capable of penetrating Musashi's citadel.

Is the Macaron the most accurate representation of an engineer in an anime?

>>141226453

But the lance could be destroyed by a somewhat-near miss, whereas the Musushu would have to actually hit the Harakaze.

Mike didn't do anything James Kirk wouldn't have done

Yes that makes her a terrible captain

>>141226110
>>141226358
The problem here is that the 18" shell that comes at you is this 1.4t, 3200lb piece of steel with a little bit of explosive inside of it. You aren't going to stop that thing if you don't land a direct hard kill against the shell.

That shell starts out at mach 2.3, and it comes at you at about 1.4 even at about 30km away. This is worse than being harpooned or being hit with an Exocet. (Exocet was Mach 0.9)

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>>141224939
I was losing my shit when even Shiro couldn't straight up Mike's shit.

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>>141226319
Such a sexy collar bone

>>141226507

That's debatable. I know you said modern weapons, but we could get one of those massive Russian monstrosities and give that a go...

Are there any means that modern cruisers might have to non-lethally disable a WWII battleship?

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>>141226250
The real question thing is: Is this a thing?

>>141226250
If shells get hit with shells, girls can love girls.

>>141226646
Shells hitting shells seems like a 1/1000000000000 chance to me.

>>141226507
You don't need to penetrate the citadel. You only need to mission kill the Musashi and that's easy enough modern weapons.

>>141226401
>There was no need to go full suicidal and try to reach Moka with the lance instead of using the Harekaze.
Has it occurred to you that she doesn't want to endanger her whole crew because of her? And she also can't turn her back on her best friend, her actions made perfect sense.

>>141226636
Torpedus. Although i feel like modern torpedus are much more powerful.

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>>141223816
These people have ASROC system of missiles carrying torpedoes and they can´t figure out how to make normal planes? How fucked up is this worlds technology?

>>141224597
>Only something akin to AEGIS combat system has a real chance of using projectile to achieve such a hard kill.
> It's not doable on analog director with eyeball fire directors though.

Do not underestimate the power of autism...

The bigger question is if something as small as 27 kg 100mm shell can actually deflect much less detonate a 460mm 1460kg shell.
If Mushashi is firing type-91 or type-1 AP shells, those things have armor of their own, more than Harekaze has on her sides. Shells need the armor to penetrate opponents hull before exploding.

If Mushashi was shooting High explosive shells, they could probably be detonated by Harekazes AA but even a single hit from such a shell would blow any of those opposing destroyers in half.

Pic related, look at that massive thing.

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So the rodent's built in jammer is a copout to make WWII tech relevant?

That's pretty much Aerofighters 3 excuse... and a few other settings were they can't use electronics to justify old tech/Hollywood tactics.

>>141226535
The Harekaze is also slower, turns slower, much larger, loses more if it is hit (29 vs 1, plus value of ship), and actually would still be damaged by near misses.

If Mike made the Harekaze suicide rush the Musashi she would be a way shittier captain than someone who just abandoned their crew for a few minutes to try to talk their friend down. Instead she would literally get everyone on her ship killed by trying to talk her friend down.

By using the jetski the only person endangered is herself, until you take into account that the crew is not going to abandon their captain and thus stays in range of the Musashi to prepare to save her ass if needed.

>>141225768
There are Harpoon batteries between the funnels.

>>141226218
underrated

>>141226636
Rapid fire missiles and their main guns into the superstructure of the battleship. You don't have to penetrate the citadel to disable a ship. You can however knock out vital and more vulnerable control systems.

>>141226738
It d id occur to me but I don't think Mike actually thought that, she simply stopped thinking.

>>141226755

Modern torpedoes are weaker because modern ships are basically glorified paper boats. They don't have even a fraction of the armor of WW2 ships and thus weapon systems don't need to be as powerful to penetrate them.

Modern torpedoes COULD be more powerful if we wanted them to be. But to do so would be a waste of resources because it'd be massive over-kill.

>>141226224
She had abandoned her best friend once already for the sake of her crew. She knows she's emotionally compromised, hence why she gave command over to Shiro before heading off to save her friend. It was Shiro's and the rest of the crew's decision to put the rest of them into danger by following after her. Because they all know she would do the same if any one of them were the one charging into a battleship.

>>141226786
that's a big watch

>>141226224
Every one at sea is family to her, not just her crew. And Moka is even more important because she's her best friends/most important person.

>>141226636

Consecutive ASM hits to the the main battery turrets, destroying all of the optics and radar with gunfire, using one of those special Tomahawks to rain DPICM on the deck...

Really, the idea is sort of a silly. The way a warship is built, anything capable of damaging vital systems is going to have to be posing a serious threat to the ship as a whole.

>>141226731
I'm just wondering if someone IRL did it ever? Or written on manual book or something.

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>>141226836
>modern ships are basically glorified paper boats
>mfw the USS Iowa is no more

>>141226765
>The bigger question is if something as small as 27 kg 100mm shell can actually deflect much less detonate a 460mm 1460kg shell.

Almost certainly not detonate - during the Battle Off Samar, the Yammato hit the Taffy-3 destroyers with it's main battery, but accomplished fairly little, because the shells punched clean through without hitting anything hard enough to set them off.

>>141226765
The 10cm/65 hurls this 13kg HE shell, and it's got about 1000 meters/s muzzle velocity (mach 2.9). Something like this would have the needed kinetic energy to engage the 46cm shell and detonate it, provided that you connect the impossibly small target.

>>141226633
As far as I can recall, those haven't been put into active service yet. They'd also be incredibly easy to intercept provided you know they're coming since they can't change course at hypersonic speeds.

>>141226887
>I'm just wondering if someone IRL did it ever?
With a 10cm cannon? I doubt it.

>>141226939

The theory is that everyone dies turn one from a massive missile exchange, so there's no point in wasting weight on armor.

It was probably valid right up until we realized that shooting down missiles was totally possible.

>>141226836
Only on surface vessels. Modern heavy submarine torpedoes are at least as devastating if not more than any WW2 torpedo is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlpx4DMGzYI

>>141226845
Looks like a Suunto.

Those are common with polo-wearing fuckboys.

For you.

>>141226977

I was talking about the one they were planning to use for the massive attacks on the Carrier Battle Groups during WWIII, Granit or Moskit or something. They are in service, and like seven tons each.

>>141227045

Armor is still a waste though because we can shoot down missiles. Any modern missile we have will absolutely rape a ship no matter how armored we make it, so the only option is to shoot that missile down before it reaches it's target. Modern weapons have rendered armored hulls obsolete.

>>141226732
>>141226820
Everything you'd need to take out to mission kill a battleship is protected by the citadel. Disabling the external radars won't cut it, because the batteries still have optical rangefinders.

Really, even using the Mk. 1 Eyeball Musashi should have sank the entire fleet within five salvos at that range.

>>141226646
It's technically possible. I mean, we have active defense system being designed for tanks to use against anti-tank missiles and eventually tank shells. I mean, the iron dome system Israel has is something similar since it intercepts artillery shells. Granted, it's with missile, but apparently, in the Hai-Furi verse, high school girls have accuracy better than computers.

>>141226836
You are confusing lightweight anti-sub torpedoes with big ship killers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_46_torpedo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_48_torpedo

>>141227045
That wasn't why. It's because the Crossroads tests showed that even though battleships and heavy cruisers can survive a nuclear attack physically intact, they'll be contaminated by fallout and rendered useless anyway.

As a result they switched to cheaper, more disposable ships.

The F-14 was another product of the theory that any future naval war would involve nuclear attacks against surface ships, as it and the AIM-54 Phoenix were designed to intercept Soviet bomber formations before they could drop their payload.

>>141226358
>Zipang
That ship at least had the radar, computing and firecontrol capability to intercept those shells.

But as this anon said:
>>141226557
>The problem here is that the 18" shell that comes at you is this 1.4t, 3200lb piece of steel with a little bit of explosive inside of it.
Those things are massive rods of steel desinged to fuck your ship up.

Zipang was using Sea Sparrow missiles with 40 kg proximity fused warheads. Blowing of the windshield from a 460mm shell could possibly make it fall short and therefore miss. but considering the poor accuracy of japanese WW2 naval gunnery the ship would still be at risk. All in all those things were nasty.

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>>141227092
>Looks like a Suunto.
Now that you mention it.

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>>141227178
>being designed

It's a bit further than that.

>>141226822
So previous characterization be damned, she was just mindbroken? Of course she didn't have a plan and acted recklessly stupid, but her motivation seemed straightforward and everything was in-character.

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>>141226646
Could you imagine being in the ship looking out the window when that happened? The explosion is bigger than the fucking ship.

Fucking hell, I would immediately offer myself to whoever's aiming skills resulted in that shit after I picked my face up off the floor and got a change of clothes.

>>141227243
>As a result they switched to cheaper, more disposable ships.

I think we fucked this part up.

Did none of the instructors consider sending in boarding parties? Or are cruisers not equipped for that?

>>141226646
Not the same but you may enjoy this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSgvLOCFU0

>>141227295
>digital watches
literally a low class doc

>>141227332
>I would immediately offer myself to whoever's aiming skills resulted in that shit
Tama is drowning in pussy.

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>>141227332
>I would immediately offer myself to whoever's aiming skills resulted in that shit

You are a mechasexual?

>>141227118
Optical rangefinders are still outside of the citadel. Everything needed to operate the weaponry in terms of FCS is outside the citadel and is vulnerable to fire.

Mission kill isn't crippling the BB. It's simply rendering it incapable or ineffective in its ability to return fire in the case of a BB.

>>141227410
Anon, the Musashi is crewed by cute girls presumably armed with squirt guns.

They wouldn't stand a chance.

It's strange to me that the writers want us to give a shit about Moeka when she's literally been on screen for about 3 minutes so far. Mike's actions would be far easier to relate to if Moeka was an actual character instead of a name they happen to mention once per episode.

>>141226887
No. And an even bigger no to someone writing a manual on it. The closest thing to it is bullets colliding mid-air, which is possible and has happened before. There are a couple example of fused bullets from the American Civil War.

That said, those bullets are one in a in a million fluke that only happened because of the sheer number of bullets being fired throughout the war. Hitting an artillery shell with another shell on purpose is practically impossible, and even more so when all you have for targeting is an autistic child. And before someone starts spouting about FCS, we say them manually adjust the firing angle this episode around minute 21

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>>141226845
Doesn't look that large for a sportswatch, haha.

>>141226224
I just thought she bailed because she knew her judgment was clouded,

>>141227410
>Or are cruisers not equipped for that?

That was the eighteenth century.

>>141227496
Yes, that's kind of the point. They wouldn't need to use any lethal force.

>>141227178
When you use a missile, you get to correct the course as you go. Not the case with a cannon shell.
Also, keep in mind that a well trained sniper may be able to hit someone's head a mile away on a good day, but that requires a rifle and ammo optimized for sniping above all other uses. Even if the Harukaze had such a useless cannon, you can imagine that scaling up the gun and the distance to the target would make accuracy much worse.
If the idiot savant hit the shell with a shell, it's isekai-grade magic right there. No amount of skill and tinkering could yield this.

>>141227410
How would they get close?

>>141227553
I was referring to the men.

>>141227555
Well, yeah. That's kinda what I said. Hai-Furi high school girls are walking aimbots. Otherwise, the entire premise of Girs Und Whatever would not work whatsoever.

>>141227558
They do have patrol boats and mike got pretty close on her jetski. If they were willing to risk it, they could. But there'd probably be heavy casualties as the mokashi lays waste to anyone coming near her.

>>141227466
>you will never witness cargo-cult sailors building shrines to the AEGIS guides and burning offerings after the ancient weapon springs to life as foretold by prophecy and ritual.

>>141227379
Not necessarily if you expect the enemy to nuke your fleet. A nuclear attack will effectively destroy a fleet comprised of battleships and heavy cruisers just as well as a fleet comprised of destroyers and missile cruisers. Built with the same technology, it would be much more expensive to replace the battleships and heavy cruisers though.

Theoretically you could retrieve and decontaminate the nuked battleships and CAs, but it would be difficult to do in an active warzone and prohibitively expensive.

Of course that scenario pretty much stopped being valid once ICBMs made MAD a serious threat, and fell out of relevance completely after the Soviet Union collapsed.

If not for Congress constantly cockblocking everything nice we try to get for our military, it would actually be a really good idea to transition back to armored cruisers and battleships, since they're much more likely to survive against asymmetric threats and ASMs that we may face from Iran and other countries. The Samuel B Roberts (#3) wouldn't have been nearly destroyed by an Iranian missile if she had six inches of steel protecting her hull, after all.

>>141227668
Except, as we've seen, those that are infected become highly aggressive, might have slightly enhanced strength and speed, while retaining enough of their mind to use weapons. Those men would get slaughtered.

>>141227555
Tama should be immediately promoted to teach gunnery as an instructor with the shit that she pulled, for doing this even with an AEGIS combat system setup would make you a legend.

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I understand the girl not having much regs, but Otakon's mane here is lols.

>>141227768
What if Blue Mermaids all actually do this shit constantly?

Imagine how shounen the fights could get. I kind of want to see that.

>>141227778
Chemical weapons weren't developed in their timeline so they don't need grooming standards for gas masks.

>>141227663
I kinda wish they'd go with GuP premise instead "it's all just a sport".

>>141227768
It's not as impressive as you think, given that they had the incoming projectiles' courses on radar and six rapid fire guns.

>>141227702

No, I was saying we messed up on both 'cheep' and 'disposable'.

And I agree about going back to a sort of armored cruiser model. The ratio of surface armor to internal reinforcement might need some study - I don't know if it's viable to try and reliably stop everything on the belt, but containing and limiting the effect of a missile strike would be a good idea.

That said, you'd want to also give the thing a serious APS suite. The armor is to stop the one that gets away.

>>141227702
>it would actually be a really good idea to transition back to armored cruisers and battleship

No, it wouldn't. You cannot effectively armor a ship against modern weaponry.

>>141227824
>No airplanes
>Reason is that every gunner is a god tier sniper capable of shooting down anything flying 50,000 feet+ at speeds up to Mach 10.

>>141227882
>courses on radar

SO if it was done, it would have been the computer. Organic systems simply aren't precise in the way that type of thing requires.

>>141227882
6 guns, WW2 make and design, never meant to engage a 1400kg projectile, let along neutralize it. This thing's not a missile.

>>141227918
Have you missed the part where modern ASMs are completely incapable of penetrating an armored warship, Moskit aside?

>>141227913
Obviously.

If we were to build a modernized Montana with AEGIS and VLS, it'd be more or less impervious to anything that could be thrown at it. All the anti-air capability of an entire CVBG with the armor to soak anything that slips through.

Obviously there's a chance that something may slip through and find a weak point in the protection scheme, but it'd be much more capable of surviving that scenario than an Arleigh Burke or Ticonderoga that can be crippled by a rubber boat filled with sand niggers.

>>141227983
This. Missiles are a beer cans filled with explosives and fuel flying at slower speed than shells and manuvering aerodynamically. They are very fragile.

460 Shells are rods of steel, not manuvering and will fly through allmost anything.

I want to fuck a Zumwalt

>>141228416
Zumwalt a shit.

>>141228427
Don't talk shit about my waifu

>>141227859
It's really the same thing. In the end, no one is actually a traitor and everyone will be daijoibu after splashing some water on them. That and having WW2-era ship duels without the complicated backstory means USN stomping over everyone. I mean, what the hell is the IJN going to do to compete with an Iowa?

>>141228120
>Have you missed the part where modern ASMs are completely incapable of penetrating an armored warship

Is that before or after you forgot that modern AShM's are more lethal than WW2 aerial weaponry that sank multiple battleships?

>>141228265
A modern Montana, armed with railguns could probably still be torpedoed from a sub, or would probably be mission killed in a few hits. Of course it would fair better against pirates/sandniggers but it would be a massive target and still have less power projection capability and utitility than a modern supercarrier.

It would be a massive, expensive, stupid, american dickwawing project. Approved!
t. Donald Trump.

>>141228601
Except they're not.

>>141226388
>Tan Yang
*Yukizake

>>141228636
Even modern sub-launched torpedoes aren't capable of sinking a modern battleship before the battleship's own ASROCs or helicopter sink the sub.

>>141228698
Yukikaze never had 10cm guns.

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https://warshipphilosophy.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/modern-warship-armor-part-2/

This makes good points on the choice between strong armor and active defence. The impression I get is that, since active defence can be projected to nearby ships and doesn't lose capability after stopping a missile, it's usually a better deal than armor. It would still be good insurance to have a degree of 'citadel' protection like the Kirov though.

>>141228639
Even small AShM's like Harpoons have comparable warheads to aerial torpedoes, and are not limited to hitting ships in their most heavily armored areas.

>>141228495
At least in otherwise scenario, it will be make more sense than this one.

>>141228120
You do realize how long it took to create bunker busting bombs? It only took 28 days to create the GBU-28.

The moment your bring out an armored vessels is the moment that Ivan getting drunk in the supply depot decides to take old artillery casing and hot glue them to their missiles.

>>141227332
Megumin stop posting.

>>141228784
Aerial torpedoes were fairly ineffective against Musashi and Yamato, and ASMs wouldn't be half as effective as even those.

What makes torpedoes effective is the fact that water transfers the energy of the warhead far better than air. A torpedo doesn't waste 95% of the energy in its warhead with a big fireball. It transfers a much larger portion of that energy to the hull itself. More importantly, the torpedo puts a hole in the hull below the waterline.

An ASM would not only waste most of its energy, but the hole, assuming we're ignoring the fact that it wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of penetrating the armor, would be in a non-vital compartment where the actual damage to the ship and its systems would be minimal and fires could be easily contained.

Even if you were to switch to a shaped charge to allow the missile to penetrate the citadel armor, the missile would actually be less effective. Ships are not tanks. They're not tiny, cramped boxes filled with people and ammunition in close proximity. The jet of molten copper from a shaped warhead would do effectively nothing to anything in any compartment it would reach after striking the armor.

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Why is Mashiro so shit? She ruined the whole furisode

>>141228942
No it doesn't. Or are you saying city-size self-sustaining carriers are perfectly viable? Or that any military will ever let civilians use their tanks as pseudo martial arts competition?

>>141229181
The problem is that creating armor penetrating missiles in response than creating armored warships in reaction to missiles. It doesn't take much for someone to say "put armored cap on missile". And voila you have armor defeating missile.

And the Russians already have huge ass missiles capable of defeating a good amount of armor that ain't BB tier.

>>141229543
An armored cap won't get the job done. Missiles aren't rigid. They're not meant for penetration. Even if you gave it a cap, all that would happen is that the cap would absorb all the energy of the missile splattering against the armor.

>>141229624
>Missiles aren't rigid. They're not meant for penetration.
wut?

>>141229624
It's an oversimplification but adaption of missiles and warheads is infinitely much more easier than building the ship itself.

What would happen is that the ship is countered the moment it comes out of drydock if the enemy has any idea of what you were trying to put out.

>>141229488
Misaki was the one who ruined the episode.

>>141229777
Did she stop anyone from stripping? No? Then shut up.

>>141218190
>Moka not affected by mind control hamsters
Moka confirmed catgirl.

Why can't you basically mount a HEAT warhead on a missile?

TELL ME ABOUT HAREKAZE WHY DID YOU FIRE UPON THEM.

So, what's going to happen?
Will Mike step down his command and Shiro assumes captaincy? And if so, is Shiro going to get the Harekaze into deep shit from her horrible luck?
Will the crew even keep being with the Harekaze or they will actually lose their ship and have to fight the Hiei or the Musashi in another ship?