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GET IN THE TRUCK
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>>141138910
Who is that girl on the left
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One thing I've really enjoyed about Delta threads so far is watching the reactions of people who are watching SDF, 7, Plus, and Frontier for the first time. It fills me with a sense of innocence, happiness, and appreciation. I'm glad that all of you are getting into Macross. I hope that Delta is enjoyable for everyone.
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>>141138974
she's irrelevant, just ignore her.
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>>141139074
Motherfucker, I forgot Zero. People watching Zero, too. And II. Please enjoy the (de)culture. I'm looking forward to lots of threads with you.
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>>141139074
7 reactions are fun as hell

>OH MY GOD WHEN IS THIS GONNA GET INTERESTING
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>>141138974
Mikumo Guynemer, did you miss the early event? they introduced her as Mikumo.
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>>141139448
Please stop this bullying
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>>141139074
It was actually AKB0048 that finally made me get off my assignment and watch Macross, all of it. What a ride.
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>>141139074
Every time I watch an episode of delta I feel like watching 7. It's the only macross I didn't watch, but the length keeps putting me off
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>>141139074
I'm one of them. Freya gives Macross the kind of charm that I didn't feel when I watched Frontier.

I've been listening to Fire Bomber almost every day now.
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>>141139782
Final Stage never
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>>141139074
is that a boy
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>>141139755
>Kumo is the real triangle
>delta is just a yuri version of 7
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>>141140109
which one
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I love Freyja.
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>>141139074
Watched DYRL a couple weeks ago, Plus two days ago, and marathoner Frontier yesterday and today.
I seem to have a habit of picking losing girls.
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>>141139074
I was initially watching this because i bought a YF-19 plamo on a whim in a hobby store but then i ended up watching and staying here just for the music and the girls.

I'm liking Delta so far. I'm digging the character design and the VFs but somehow i feel that something about Delta is just a bit weaker than the others.
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/a/ Draws Macross

Pick a square and draw it
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WOW WOW
W
O
W
O
W
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>>141140560
This might be the best scene of 2016.
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I want to marry Kaname.
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>>141140651
Get in line
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Are you enjoying the latest Macross with your grandchildren, /a/?
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>>141140707
>basic macross theme
what
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I almost want to see Macross Delta as a modern setting J-drama about an idol group Walkure, their production company NUNS, and their dance squad Delta. I would miss having the mecha porn but you could keep the character drama while ditching the weirder sci-fi metaplot which I always felt were Macross's weak points (Looking at you Macross 7).
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>>141139074
12 episodes left until I finish SDF
Kim is the cutest girl in this series
A bit disappointed with the way they turned Minmay to some kind of slut just to pair Hikaru with Misa
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>>141140651
>>141140686
Shitty old hag
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>>141139074
>>141139147
Sheryl is best

>tfw you will never watch Frontier with /a/ again and watch all the Rankashitters commit suicide in a few episodes
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>>141140959
>the way they turned Minmay to some kind of slut
>turned
She was fickle from the beginning, there's no way someone with that kind of personality would only stick with one guy.
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>>141138974
Her name is MINE, go bother that toad on the right. Thanks.
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>>141141998
>i'd like to teach macross to stream in perfect harmony
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>>141140954
I'm liking Delta because it's not that. It's not about Walkure, they are just part of the framework of the setting which makes it come across better than how I originally thought it would be.

>while ditching the weirder sci-fi metaplot which I always felt were Macross's weak points
Macross lore is literally one of the best parts of the story
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>>141141998
As if I didn't need another reason to dislike HG
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>>141140954
Just watch literally any idolshit show if you want that
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>>141141998
#FREEMACROSS
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I really, really like Freyja
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>>141141208
Amen
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>>141140560
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28751884
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>>141141208
>not Klan
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>>141141998
Kawamoe
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>>141141998
>Windermere hates Earthlings because of Macek
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>>141143668
>implying the knights aren't working for HG to destroy macross
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>>141140491
Waiting warmly for the finished version
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>>141143244
https://a.pomf.cat/fridks.webm
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>>141141998
Fucking Harmony Gold. are they waiting for some fan to become a Fortune 500 CEO and buy the Copyright for no less than 100 Million dollars?
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>she sees your rune
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>>141140477
It's got a lot more characters to introduce in a much shorter time-frame. Previous series didn't really start humanizing the "enemy" until much later.

It's also not set within a single ship/fleet, so you're almost always jumping around to new planets and locales. Combined together this makes the show feel more "rushed" with less breathing room than the previous series.

You never get a chance to "wind down" with a lower intensity conversation because you're frequently jumping back towards the sinister Windemeran plotline.
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Can any race be macronized? Has anyone other than the old man in Dynamite 7 done it?
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>>141144164
No anon, you can't macronize your dick.
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>>141144112
>Combined together this makes the show feel more "rushed" with less breathing room than the previous series.
Is this supposed to be what rushed feels like? Because I thought the pacing over the last 5 episodes was pretty good. And I mean when it comes to winding down that was pretty much all of episode 5 wasn't it?
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>>141143525

Klan wasn't in the game to begin with--and both her and Michael's story were tragic by nature; so the only conclusion for them was something bittersweet.

Klan is second best girl. Sheryl will always be best girl. Always.
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http://www.hasegawa-model.co.jp/product/mc06/
I wonder why they aren't bothering to advertise this
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So what's the thing in the OP about?
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I'm sorry but I just can't stop loving Kaname
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>>141145752
They didn't include the creaming alien. Who are those brown ones?
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>>141141998
so, when's HG gonna went bankrupt?
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>>141146137
Sara Nome and I think Myung.
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>>141146490
Why the fuck does Myung get to be in these
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Mirage
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>>141146868
A
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>>141146911
bitch.
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>>141146645
By singing best song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eu4nabNoM
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>>141146911
Shit
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Anyone got a .webm of the ED with audio?
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>>141146911
Lewd
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>>141138865
THE TRUCK HAVE STARTED TO MOVE
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>>141147821
WHAT IS INSIDE
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>>141142209

To me Macross is all about the love triangle and the theme of finding love and normalcy during wartime which is part of it's space opera roots. The drama and emotional conflicts always reminds me of a J-drama or shojou series I think the story would transition well to an alternate setting .

I like the lore but I hate it when it takes the main stage rather than being a supporting piece. I'm a believer that the quality of a piece is inversely proportional to the number of made up words in it.
>>141142894

Well no, because then I would be watching an idolshit show trying to sell on the characters rather than a drama with characters who happen to be idols, K-ON compared to Nana.
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>>141141208
>Rankashitters commit suicide in a few episodes
You'll get to see miragefags do it though
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>>141143525
Why Klan? She was in her own pairing. And neither of them died in the movies
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>mirage gets a call from grandpa max
>he says he found a boy for her since he's worried about her love life.
>she goes along with it for now
>it's bogue
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anyone got the macross bingo card?
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>>141139200
Just wait until they get to Gigil's death and slowly realize how bad they feel for the old and ugly cyborg vampire ghost.
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>>141139200
>Physica's episode
Still mad.
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How much Earth Wind and Fire did they listen to when writing the ED?
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>>141149451
The entire discography while high on kawamori's drugs
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>>141148385
>My Big Fat Zentradi Wedding
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>>141148385
OH SHIT NO
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Who /kakugosurun yo!/ here?
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>>141149837
What did they mean by this
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>>141149837
>I lost to a space elf
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>>141149960
that she ships them
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Episode 6 preview.
http://macross.jp/delta/story/

ヴァール化して操られた兵たちを前に、ケイオスも新統合軍もじりじりと押されていく。実戦でコクピットではなく敵機の翼ばかりをねらうハヤテは、「そんな甘い考えでは命を落とすぞ」とメッサーから厳しい言葉を投げられてしまう。
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>>141149960
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>>141150132
That's some crappy Hayate CG model in this picture.
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>>141150108
>the mirage fag shitposting about Freyja was Freyja all along

BARVO KAWAMOE
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>>141150132
Hayate looks like Mirage in this picture.
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>>141150132
>Kawamori credited as animation director
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>>141150536
my bad, storyboard
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>>141150536
He probably just told them to do more aerial maneuvers and keep green screen time to minimum
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>>141150254
One of these things is not like the other.
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>>141150132
They are fighting Vared pilots and Hayate is doing a Mirage going for the wings only and Messer is "you fucking retard, you're going to get yourself killed."
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>>141150839
>it's another Messer is worst boy episode
Color me surprised.
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What a big boobies we have here.
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>>141151516
Dem apples.
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>>141150310
But who is the HOINA poster?
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>>141151696
Messer
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>>141151516
Feels like they can't decide on a bust size for Freyja. Feels like in some scenes she's flat and in others she has an ample amount.
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>>141151799
So he just disturb every good moment between Hayate and Freyja because he want to be the only one that Freyja HOINA to.
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>>141151851
She's not flat, she's not a tittymonster yet but she's fairly well endowed for a 14 years old girl. Reina is flat.
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If no one wants Kaname, I'll take her
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>>141151966
Don't put your filthy hand on my lovely leader!
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>>141151894
Deepest lore sasuga kawamori
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>>141151966
Kaname is going to become a AV idol since no one wants her desu
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>>141152025
She'll be filthy once I'm done with her
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>>141151966
COSMIC
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>>141151966
Not on my watch.
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>>141151966
>taking literal old hag
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>>141152099
Cosmic on stage.
Comfy at home.
All \x/alküre Are God Tier
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>>141139074
I'm enjoying that too. I just got one of my buddies to watch SDF since he picked up Delta from watching episode 1 and he got super hooked.

Getting a message from him after he watched the most recent episode when they mentioned Max and Millia and hearing how genuinely interested and happy he was made me smile.
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>>141152299
Make sure to tell him to watch DYRL right after he finishes the tv series.
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Do i need to fap to the doujins in order ro undwrsqtand delta?
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>>141152122
>>141152276
I'll get her pregnant so she'll retire
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>>141150437
I really hope he doesn't end up like that annoying pacifist Kira.

>>141150839
I honestly don't see the point of hitting the wing. That might affect them in jet mode or probably gerwalk but absolutely not battroid mode.
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>>141152898
They really should aim for the engines
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>>141152967
Don't you mean the thrusters? Aiming for the engine is extremely hard and would cause its nuclear core to explode anyway.
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>>141153166
>Aiming for the engine is extremely hard
Its the fucking legs of the VF and its like half of the length of the VF in fighter mode.
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>>141150132
It's Hayate's episode who is just aiming for the wing. Messer is going to give a lesson and it seems going to be a big one since it looks like Hayate's decision is going to harm someone - he looks like he is angry on himself.
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>>141153220
That's what I meant by thrusters.
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>>141153405
Wasn't Messer should also give Mirage a lesson because she only aiming for the wing too.
Actually, i wonder is Mirage tell Hayate only aiming for the wing.
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>>141153448
Might be. The title implies that someone is making a bad decision and Mirage's reaction in the preview pic looks like someone might yell at her.
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>>141153419
The legs are easier targets than the wings, and VFs don't need wings to fly when they got that much thrust.
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Shooting in the wing isn't going to stop them. Pilots aren't singers that can cure them.
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>>141153486
This pic
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>>141153547
This picture more like she saw something before the battle begins.
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>>141150132
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>>141151516
>>141153547
Freyja's freyjas look bigger than her mirages.
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>>141153825
That fucking Hayate's CG make me laugh so hard.
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>>141153504
>VFs don't need wings to fly when they got that much thrust.
That I already know. They only need their wings for maneuvering in jet mode. Now if they were fighting against VF-22s its pointless to aim for their legs to disable them.
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>It'll be another Messer ruins the fun episode
Fuck this guy.
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>>141139074
nice artifacts there
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>>141153963
>implying it was ever fun and games
Hayate can go fuck himself if he doesn't shape up.
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Someone in some website said that younger girls have 10% to win and older girls have 90% to win. If Kawamori want to make somethings new will he throw away that Macross rule?
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>>141153947
>if they were fighting against VF-22s its pointless to aim for their legs to disable them.
Not that VF-22s are that common, being special operation VFs and all.
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>>141153963
Idorus are srs bzns
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>>141150254
Are all orange-haired girls fated to be eternal losers?
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>>141153911
Yeah that's some PS1 level CG model.
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>>141154096
It's just a delusion. The triangle not started yet.
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>>141153911
It's so fucking bad, how'd they manage to screw up the CGI this much? Even Frontier wasn't this awful.
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>>141140560
>this works so much better without audio
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>>141154156
they decided he doesn't wear a helmet
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>>141153911
>her first character model
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>>141154156
>Even Frontier wasn't this awful
That's because you never see the pilot from outside their VF in Frontier. The CG is just the same.
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>>141154199
She should just back to make VF's tire.
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>>141154184
>>141154226
There was also this fucking thing from episode 2 which looks like it's from a 90's CGI cartoon or a PS1 game.
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>>141154281
Looks like Halo 2 map.
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>>141154003
Freya = Windermerian cake
Mirage = 1/4 meltran like all famous losers
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>>141154281
You're fucking exaggerating. Not even PS1 CGI is that good. Not to mention gg uses Tokyo MX broadcast which are the worst.
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>>141154003
Jenius girls also lose all the time
Freyja is also older than Mirage
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>>141154495
>Jenius girls also lose all the time
Mylene didn't lose. She just never won.

>Freyja is also older than Mirage
You're retarded. Just because Windemereans have a life expectancy of 30 doesn't make Frejya older.
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>>141154281
That doesn't look anything like PS1. PS2 would be more like it. Have you seen a PS1 game in recent memory?
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7話「潜入 エネミーライン」
ハヤテの加入したΔ小隊とワルキューレは、惑星ヴォルドールに潜入調査を試みる。
その目的は、地球人と敵対するウィンダミア人の占領下で何が行われているのかを探ること。
一同は、張り巡らされた監視網をくぐり抜けるが参天
樋口達人 松林唯人 松林唯人 未定

8話「脱出 レゾナンス」
小太刀右京 玉田博 西澤晋 未定

9話「限界 アンコントロール」
根元歳三 矢吹勉 島津裕行 未定

10話「閃光のAXIA」
根元歳三 ヤマトナオミチ 西澤晋 未定
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>>141155314
Mirage is olev
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>>141155314
>Mirage is on a cover
holyshit
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>>141151966
kaname hating is just a dank meme from newfag that wanna fit it.

There's literally nothing to hate about her as of now.
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>>141155314
インタより

ドラケンⅢは他の星から持ち込まれた機体。
この機体を開発した組織は、もとは反統合同盟軍に技術提供したいた組織が
ベースになっている。統合戦争が終わった後に組織は解体されて研究者や技術者は
色んなところに散ってしまったけれど、銀河辺境が力をつけたことで、彼らが再結集して
開発した機体がドラケンⅢ。
彼らは統合軍側よりも自分たちのほうが技術的に優れていたのではないかといまだに
信じている。だから、彼らは辺境のウィンダミアに加担している。
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>>141155341
Fuck off Kaname
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>>141155314
Did Mirage just though Hayate's plane.
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>>141155464
*touch
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>>141155314
So who made it on the top 10 male/female list?
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>>141155314
They are going to infiltrate into Vordor in ep 7.
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>>141155491
I don't know.
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>>141139782
one of my favorite shows

final stage never
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>>141155314
Five Star Stories is finally getting more chapters?
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>>141155889
this is kinda lewd
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>>141155807
Pink and Green died?
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>>141155464
She'll touch your plane too if you aren't watching fucking slut
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>>141155889
Mirage Mirages
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>>141155889
G A P M O E
A
P
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>>141155314
Why is Mirage so smug?
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>>141155807
>>141155889
Where are you getting the scans from?
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>>141155958
Because she's the reigning, defending, undisputed Hayatebowl champion of the world.
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>>141155983
Scrounging through 2ch threads
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>>141154156
The CG on the Vajras looked like garbage most of the time. Though it looked better in the movies
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>>141148679
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>>141155988
fine speech
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>>141155988
How? She is the loser.
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>>141156023
Which one? main thread?
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>>141156130
Main, spoiler, and some of the character threads.
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>>141155889
THE APPLES MASON WHY DO THEY MEAN?
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>>141156045
Do sound boosters count as valk with giant speakers?
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>>141155889
>Freyja-Mirage-Apple
The true love triangle of Delta
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gd_6vQ-nlA

macross frontier was so fun
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>>141156357
Not for Rankafags ;^)
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>>141155314
Looks like Vordor hates Earthlings too.
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>>141153825
Walkure's concert in the NUNS spaceship in their hangar trying to cure them.
Messer's VF with sound boosters.
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>>141145752
The whole Michael/Klan thing was shallow and retarded anyway.
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>>141156357
> Ranka is best singer and has the best videos not like that whore Sherly
so much suffering
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>>141156461
I wonder if that pisses him off that he can't shoot at things because he has to carry the boosters.
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>>141155314
So they are infiltrating Vordor planet that hates earthlings.

10 ep. title is "The flash/light of AXIA"
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>>141156357
> walk by my sice scene
;_;
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>>141156507
Messer with sound booster ON is shooting Keith in the preview.
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>>141156218
Yes. Thank god, I'll finally be able to cross something off next episode.
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>>141156456
WINDERMERE ARE A-ALONE FAGS BTFO.

It's obvious a lot of species want those annoying Terrans to go fuck themselves.
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8話「脱出 レゾナンス」
空中騎士団の身体能力の高さに、まるで歯が立たないハヤテとミラージュ。
ハヤテはフレイアを庇おうとするが、完膚なきまでに叩きのめされてしまう。
フレイアの悲痛な叫びに、ボーグたちはウィンダミアの大義をぶつける。

Looks fake but it could have come from some other magazine
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>>141156601
Fuck off Bogue
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>>141156456
>>141156560
This would explain why they didn't oppose Windermere. Maybe Windermere isn't acting alone but has the support of other races.
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>>141156644
What does it say?
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>>141156456
Vorhwat?
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>>141156644
Looks like Bogue->Freyja will happen.
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>Named after the goddess of beauty
>Looks pretty much average
Why is this allowed?
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>>141156690
One of the planets they 'conquered.' It seems that they really liberate it because they fucking hate the Nuns and humans.
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Why haven't they tried other music genre's?
I mean fire bomber's tunes do the same thing.
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>>141156357
Frontier's song are so far much better than the AKBish shit in Delta.
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>>141156713
Freyja is beautiful. She's only 14 years old, in a couple of years more, she would blow the fuck out everyone with her gradient hair.
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>>141156707
Nah he just going to have muh Windermere justice speech, if that spoiler is real.
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>>141156675
Mirage and Hayate are shit and get their ass kicked by the Aerial Knights, but Freyja's desperate cries seem to make a dent in Bogue's Windemere cause.

>yfw Bogue's gonna lose the Freyjabowl to fucking Hayate
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>>141156644
Why this one maybe not real? NT only have up to episode 7 summary?
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>>141156794
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>>141156456
>>141156560
No, the summary says that the Windermeres occupying the planet are the ones who are hostile against humans.
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>>141156794
It will sounds pretty lame if Bogue end up let them go because that.
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>>141156749
>ぶつける。
It's collide/clash
The context is that Hayate and Mirage cannot do shit to fight the Knights and get BTFO. That Bogue is explaining their cause to Freyja means that she already got under his skin.
He didn't give a ratass about explaining their cause to anyone before. You can see in last episode his rune flashes red when he sees Freyja and when he was angry, violent or hateful in battlefield, it flashes yellow.
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>>141156794
>yfw Bogue's gonna lose the Freyjabowl to fucking Hayate
This would be fun to watch.
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>>141156867
It doesn't specify it's the windermere. It says that the planet that is occupied by them is hostile against humans.
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>>141156871
Rune boners will distract him.
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>>141156601
>>141156794
>>141156872
So i assume this episode 8 spoiler is real, seems the main 3 caught by Aerial Knights?
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>>141156794
>yfw Bogue's gonna lose the Freyjabowl to fucking Hayate
I don't want her with fucking Hayate.
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>>141156894
>wanting dirty halflings instead of cute pureblooded windermere children
Hayate has that mongrel bitch.
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>>141156951
>3 caught by Aerial Knights?
>yfw when the knights make Freyja and Mirage kiss
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>>141156736
Only Sheryl's.

Borderline and Bokura no Senjou are legit great. I also really like Cosmic Movement but that's pretty underrated
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>>141156494
>NakaMegu
>better singer
She isn't in fact and her range isn't very good either, at least not when singing as Ranka.
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>>141156951
I have no idea. They might be dramatically screaming in the battlefield. It's possible, though.
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>>141156971
shit
one of them is kakizaki
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>>141156971
Nag they're gonna make >>141155889 happens.
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>>141156494
>Ranka is best singer and has the best videos not like that whore Sherly
Shit taste.

May'n is literally the best singer in Macross
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>>141156978
Fuck off, Ranka is a lot better.
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>>141156998
>butt wrasslin in gym outfits

They're bretty based for a group of homos
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>>141156971
Mirage is for mind break and moral degeneration.
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>>141156962
I have a soft spot for hafus in my heart because I am one. Also the characters pairing up neatly would be too lame like a battle shounen ending.
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>>141157033
Bogue is clearly straight.

The rest are homos, though.
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>>141150310
IT'S ME, AUSTIN!
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>>141156992
>episode 8 is over two weeks away
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>>141141998
GO TO HELL, HARMONY GOLD!
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>>141156958
Why? The have a great relationship
>>
>Bogue becomes Kagura

Please no.
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>>141157081
>I don't want X to be with the MC

Classic Rankashitter coping mechanism
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>>141157012
Ranka literally only has two great songs. I'm not even being a hater
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>>141157104
I liked four of them.
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>>141157007
Not really. Fukuyama is still above her.
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>>141157086
The difference of course is that Bogue is pure and funny unlike Kagura

Also to be accurate, he would be Kaifun/Gamlin/Brera
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>>141156905
Isn't the relative clause 地球人と敵対する attached to ウィンダミア人?
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>>141157134
Would it be Macross without a jobbing love interest?
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>>141157123
Nope. All of Sheryl's songs are great. Like half of Basara's are good and I would really only call Holy Lonely Light, Try Again and Totsugrki Love Heart great
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>>141157056
>projecting your homosexuality this hard
The only homos are Keith and Roid, runes touched.
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>>141157186
>no planet dance
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>>141138865
>GET IN THE TRUCK

We're going to make Macross great again?
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>>141157134
He's not related to Freyja to be a Kaifun/Brera.
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>>141157186
>All of Sheryl's songs are great. Like half of Basara's are good

sherylfag delusions everyone
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>>141157186
Nah. Sheryl only has good songs in the series. In the movies even Ranka has more better songs than her (she's got Niji iro kumakuma, Houkago Overflow, Hoshikira, Sou da yo while most of Sheryl are forgettable). Meanwhile Fire Bomber's song are all good in series, OVA and movie.
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>>141156794
Bogue- tachi, so Bogue and others. Maybe Mastah Herman too.
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>>141157340
Freyja's gangbang doujinshi when?
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>Moonspeaking anons are here
Good. Someone translate this please, it's from the manga. Why is Keith so cold towards Heinz?
>>
>not making more Jeniuses with Mirage
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>>141157217
Fuck that, I am so tired of that song
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>>141157239
He just has to be a second male. Familial relation of optional

Like the blonde in Plus
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>>141156992

Well if Aerial Knights caught Mirage, i'm sure Windermere is fucked.
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Jenius family reunion when?
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>>141157332
I only liked Nijiiro no kumakuma out of those

>Seriously implying Universal Bunny and the other one that started Movie 2 aren't amazing

Also you seriously trying to tell me Don't be Late and Northern Cross aren't GOAT
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>>141157427
>implying they give a shit about the runt of the family

She's so shit that they might pretend she's not related to them.
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>>141157367
stop sexualizing the hoi na!
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>>141157474
I'm sorry, but how can she not be sexualized?
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>>141139074
Fuck off, Delta is shit, im literally forcing myself to watch it. MC cant be more bland, and freyja making cute faces for 24 minutes isnt enough to fill the void this anime create in my heart.
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>>141157454
>Also you seriously trying to tell me Don't be Late and Northern Cross aren't GOAT
Those aren't her movie's songs though. In the series I agree that Sheryl's songs > Ranka's. But out of her songs in the movies only Shudisuta is catchy to my ear while Ranka has more.
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>>141157134
Don't put Gamlin and Brera on Kaifun's level.
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>>141157542
AND
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>>141153963
I bet the fucking faggot will be having the time of his life again when he's facing Keith. War is serious business and no fun allowed unless it's his fun. Messer a shit.
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>>141156958
Is this proto-Freyja?
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>>141157463
Keep dreaming, think about who is Lady M.
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>>141157542
this shit taste, holyshit
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>>141157726
Why does that image exist.
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>>141157542
Kek, sucks to be you, I'm having an absolute blast each weeks
>>
Macross Delta movie when
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>>141157726
Who is this qt 3.14?
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>>141157743
>Png
>paint
to trigger people like you.
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>tfw no one uploads Fire Bomber re.fire!! album on nyaa
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Hot off the presses

http://exhentai.org/g/931656/b3e26fdade
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>>141157784
It's on Baka nigger
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>>141157801
Congratulations to fast Japan for being fast, but that artist needs to learn the value of negative space.
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>>141157801
D....deculture!
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>>141157809
Thanks senpai, have a Mikumo.
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>>141157757
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>>141157801
Kumo is not for lewd!
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>>141157882
>272x395
Anon pls
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>>141157801
still waiting on Mikumo x Heinz
>>
No more NT scans?
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>>141157474
I need that picture with all of Freyja's funny faces
>>
Lewd.
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>>141158147
GAYYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>141158147
is runes touching akin to rubbing their cocks together?
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>>141157801
>Nasen scan
Fuck.
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>>141157886
Cute!
CUTE!
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>>141157801
HOLY SHIT I LITERALLY DID NOT THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN
>>
アニメ誌より

新統合軍で敵を倒すのに馴染めなかった彼女は、偉大な祖父と祖母から
リン・ミンメイの話を聞き、叔母にミレーヌがいることもあり、歌の力を使う
ワルキューレに興味を抱く。そんな時、アラド隊長からスカウトされ、ケイオスにやってきた。
>>
ワルキューレメンバー裏設定

カナメ
過去にアイドルとしてソロデビューしていたが、鳴かず飛ばずで一旦引退し、
ワルキューレのマネージャーとしてケイオスに就職。ところがフォールドレセプターの数値が
高かったためにワルキューレのメンバーとなった

レイナ
ケイオスのネットワークにハッキングして捕まったところ、適性があることがわかりケイオスにスカウトされた

マキナ
一族がメカニック系でその血を受け継いでいる。レイナと違ってアイドル好きで、メカニックとアイドルの
道どちらへ進むか迷った結果、両方の夢をかなえるためにワルキューレに入った
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>>141158552
>鳴かず飛ばずで一旦引退し
Pathetic old hag.
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>>141157603
>>141157726
>>141157747
I recently saw Macross Zero and i love Macross F, i cant understand this cant be shit taste or how you cant defend Delta until now.
Threads about Delta only revolve around post Freyja's cute faces or "I want to lick that rune !". Delta has good animation, some good music and good CGI (as usual with Satelight) but that's all. If wanted to watch a magical idol show i would watch AKB48 or a real Idol anime.
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>>141158552
Okay so with my shitty Japanese skills and some help with Google translate, that's saying Kaname debuted in the past as a normal idol but retired and got depressed I think(?). She joined Walkure as the manager but she ended up having a high level of fold receptors so she became a member

Reina was caught hacking into Chaos and they brought her on because she had the aptitude

Makina has the blood of a mechanic (further leading credence to the likely possibility she's related to the old mechanic from Zero). She likes mecha and idoling and wants to fulfil the dream of both (not sure about that last part)
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MC obviously getting together with his angry boss again
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>>141158690
Messer?
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>>141158616
But Delta is quite literally F + Zero. You just hate it because you decided to hate it.
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>>141158690
But Hayate's angry boss is Messer.
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>>141158604
She's Ritsuko.
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>>141158487

Mirage was interested in Walküre prior to being scouted by Arad because she had heard about Minmay from her grandparents and then there was also her aunt Mylene.
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>>141158616
> i cant understand this cant be shit taste or how you cant defend Delta until now.
Because it's fun

>Threads about Delta only revolve around post Freyja's cute faces or "I want to lick that rune !".
Dude that's just waifuposting. We do that all the time. You make it sound like Frontier threads were full of quaint and high-brow conversations and not full of waifu wars and shitposting.

>Implying we don't talk about the lore of Macross like all the damn time
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>>141158616
LAUGHING
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>>141158747
>>141158712
Angry superior* She was his instructor.
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>>141158712
>>141158747
Yes and?
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>>141158487
This one is about Mirage?
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>>141158682
She retired because she never made it big, she was a literally who idol.

Looks like out bullying was right after all, Kaname a desperate loser who never achieved anything.
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>>141158870
Oh boy I can't wait for that focus episode
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>>141158870
Out bulling is becoming a reality. Oh man, If she isn't going to get a guy she wants, she going to become a drunkard.
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>>141158870
AV WHEN?!
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>>141158739
>But Delta is quite literally F + Zero
Eh, Kawamori says it's like 7 and Plus and that seems more right.

I don't see anything like Zero in this at all
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>>141156748
>in a couple more years.
She's already middle aged by their standards. If she's gonna get better, it's got to happen soon.
Freyja a cute
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>>141158487
>>141158750
So i guess actually she wanna join Walkure right.
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>>141158616
>If wanted to watch a magical idol show i would watch AKB48 or a real Idol anime.
This line alone completely invalidates your opinion.
>>
HOI NA
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>>141159111
Her VA is a singer.
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>>141159111
She looks troubled about fighting against other humans, doesn't like the idea of shooting down Var victims, etc. It makes sense for her to believe in the power of music.
>>
So Kaname is a real looser.
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>>141158487
>>141158552
Are these actually legit?
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>>141159209
It's taken from magazines. You can find it 2ch.
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>>141158682
>got depressed I think(?).
She became an idol but didn't get any popularity.
No depression

>(not sure about that last part)
She joined walkure to fulfil both dreams of being a mechanic and an idol.
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>>141158682
>Kaname debuted in the past as a normal idol but retired and got depressed I think

my sides Messer was right fuck that old hag
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>>141158739
How it's F+Zero ? F had good vilains, a good MC, non annoying female cast. Same for Zero + better/ more mature writing.
Delta has none of that (yet)
>>141158753
But what is fun ?
>Dude that's just waifuposting.
I do that too sometimes but it doesnt mean that the anime is good.

>>141159122
How ?

And again no one can give any pros to watch Delta aside the waifufagging.
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>>141159269
Kaname in the past was an idol that didn't get success.
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>>141159269
What is with this meme of thinking Messer hates her?
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>>141159246
Yeah, but how do we know some of them aren't trolling? Unless you have the magazine we can't really tell.
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>>141159318
>F had good vilains, a good MC, non annoying female cast
Okay now wait a minute son. None of this is true.

>But what is fun ?
Thing you enjoy

>I do that too sometimes but it doesnt mean that the anime is good.
First of all way to ignore the rest of that part about how that's just how threads are around here and Frontier was much more bloody and shitposting. Second off, when there's a new episode out, we talk about the show for a few days then we talk about other stuff, sometimes waifuposting is in there, that's just normal /a/ behavior.
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>>141157721
Miranda?
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>>141159372
It's just a fun Kaname's bulling.
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>>141157801
>tfw you deculture your underwear
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>>141159476
Why is Kaname the target of bullying
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>>141159548
It's started with Messer always saying NO to all of her advances towards him.
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>>141159318
>How ?
By immediately declaring it as a magical idol show when its far from it.

>And again no one can give any pros to watch Delta aside the waifufagging.
You're clearly talking out of your ass. If you can't see what good to watch about Delta then you're either fucking blind and/or delusional.
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>>141159624
>to all of her advances towards him.
That depends on if you have shipping goggles on or not. It could easily be her trying to get Messer to be more social. Arad was doing it too.

More evidence is needed
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>>141159443
>Frontier was much more bloody and shitposting.
It's because F had materiel to talk about. When there is none we get threads like Delta wich look like SOL anime threads.
>None of this is true
Once again, no counter example just " No what you say is false, opinion discarded"...

Also Varja were basic enemies but it always works.
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>>141159844
>It's because F had materiel to talk about. When there is none we get threads like Delta wich look like SOL anime threads.
But Frontier was more SOL than Delta at this point.
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>>141159844
>When there is none we get threads like Delta wich look like SOL anime threads.
I can't believe you're saying this when Frontier slowed the hell down at this particular point in the show and was going full SoL. Need I remind you that for the first like 10 episodes of the show were people shitposting HURR MACROSS IS A HIGH SCHOOL SOL NOW for days on end. Also, back then we didn't have rolling threads.

>Once again, no counter example just " No what you say is false, opinion discarded"...
You'll just do the same thing too. There's no paint in arguing about this. Neither of us will agree with the other. Though I seriously have to wonder how you can call Alto a good MC. It's widely thought of that he's the weakest aspect of Frontier
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>>141159318
>And again no one can give any pros to watch Delta
Look at what you write first.
>Delta has none of that (yet)
>(yet)
That's precisely the answer you need. Its only been 5 fucking episodes. The war has just been declared, no battles or anything had happened yet.

Though, one thing that is true is that in the 5 episodes we got, they have done more with the setting than previous entries ever did.
>Multiple planets
>More Protoculture races
>Colony politics

And if you're having trouble comprehending why the "magical idols" in episode 1 is consistent with the setting, the explanations for them come in when it makes sense for them to be explained, like ya know, the MCs joining the group and asking the crucial questions.

Even with only the first episode out people were able to connect the dots from what they know of previous entries and understand how it is still consistent with previous shows.
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>>141159711
>By immediately declaring it as a magical idol show when its far from it.
Half the show is about the Idol Group flying and singing over battlefield. If it's not also an Idol show i dont know what it is.
>If you can't see what good to watch about Delta then you're either fucking blind and/or delusional.
No i dont see, tell me more.
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>>141155491
ランキング男
1.太宰治
2.阿良々木暦
3.中島敦
4.坂田銀時
5.アーチャー
6.さすミカ
7.カラ松
8.芥川龍之介
9.ハヤテ・インメルマン
10.一松

ランキング女
1.セイバー
2.与謝野晶子
3.白雪
4.トト子
5.戦場ヶ原ひたぎ
6.泉鏡花
7.フレイア・ヴィオン
8.樋口一葉
9.無名
10.羽川翼
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>>141160078
9. Hayate Immelman

7. Freyja Wion
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>>141160056
>Half the show is about the Idol Group flying and singing over battlefield.
Have you only just watched episode 1?

I actually started liking Delta a lot more as it went on because it started using its setting better and not just been "half the show about the idol group flying and singing over the battlefield". Heck, they aren't even the most important characters, they're just the framework.

>If it's not also an Idol show i dont know what it is.
Well from my experience of idol shows, they tend to not have any relevant males, no mecha (unless it's a Kawamori show), and generally be about the singers trying to be more popular and having wacky SoL adventures all day, not being on the brink of total galactic war
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>>141160078
Both Hayate and Freyja made it. Good.
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>>141160078
translate this weebs
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>>141160078
Not even Mikumo? And Hayate is in? This is a surprise.
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>>141160351
All you need to know is this
>>141160169
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>>141160351
read replies, retard
>>141160169
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>>141160374
>>141160387
I don't care about those characters
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>>141160351
Lazy faggot, just google the names and look at the pictures.
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>>141160368
>>141160169
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>>141160401
>Caring about Mikumo over Freyja
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>>141160401
then use your brain and plug the list into google translate you dumb faggot
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>>141160471
No, translate it weebs
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>>141160078
>1. Saber
Shit taste
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>>141160254
>unless its a Kawamori show
If he knew Kawamori(or any regular idol anime) he wouldn't be complaining about Delta being an idol anime.

The last time Kawamori did an idol anime, it was AKB0048, and it was about a bunch of freedom fighters fighting for the right to sing and dance.
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>>141160514
Saber is the Kira Yamato of Newtype

No wait, she's the new Lacus
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>>141160401
All you have to know is Bungou Straydogs and Osomatsu dominated the top ten
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>>141160539
>>141160514
Alt + F4 your lives Saber is literally the best woman to ever exist in this era of life she is perfection
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>>141160604
Yeah, but Rin's better

Wait a minute, I'm not gonna fall for this. There's like three Type-Moon threads up
>>
So Sound Boosters confirmed right?

This is the kind of links to 7 I was waiting for
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>>141160056
>Half the show is about the Idol Group flying and singing over battlefield
The key word you said is 'magical' when Walkure is not even in the mahou shoujo sense. It's also quite clear you didn't watched past the first episode as the next 2 episodes didn't have Walkure performing at all. You also dismiss the other aspect of the show which was the mecha combat which fucking obvious and big part of the show.

>>141160056
>No i dont see, tell me more.
No. I'm not going to spoonfeed you for something so blatantly obvious.
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>>141160709
It looks like sound boosters on Messer's VF in the preview.
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>>141158039
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>>141160991
Thanks
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>>141160991
BEST GIRL
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>>141160991
>the many faces of a midlife crisis
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>>141161421
It doesn't make sense of a species that lives an average of 30 years to not be more mature by the age of 15. She should be a with children already.
>>
>>141160604
>>141160621
fuck off fateshitters
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This is a married couple right?
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>>141157882
Mikumo's mikumos
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>>141161569
Most likely
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>>141161534
>She should be a with children already.
Wasn't the entire point of the thing that she did not want to get married?
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>>141141208
>that one guy who had Raramia as his waifu in the episode she got killed
Heh
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>>141161709
I honestly don't remember that. If it did happen I guess it was only a single sentence and it was forgotten? But having children is not the only thing. She looks 15 and acts 15, but that is for humans. Her body and mentality should be very different considering she in her 40s in human years.
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Is this the smugest macross?
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>>141161557
No, you fuck off shitposter.
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>>141161846
They just die sooner, retard. Just like people in the old days died sooner without modern tech and safety to keep them alive.

Fuck, an average age of 30 isn't too different to people in the middle ages.
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>>141161874
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>>141161846
She doesn't look or act 40 because that's past her lifespan. It's pretty simple they just fucking die earlier than humans.
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>>141161947
We are talking about two completely different reasons. One is biological the other is environmental and lack of technology. And if you didn't get sick and died or didn't die in a war people did get to the same ages as we do now. In this case we are talking about biological differences, just like a dog would get physically old and die a lot sooner than a person would.
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>>141161846
>She looks 15 and acts 15, but that is for humans. Her body and mentality should be very different considering she in her 40s in human years.
That's not how this works anon
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What if Bogue is already married and has children?
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>>141161846
>If it did happen I guess it was only a single sentence and it was forgotten?
At the beginning of the first episode she explains that the mayor told her to stop wasting her life and get married to the apple farm heir and she didn't want to, so she snuck onto a ship. And Hayate mentions it again shortly after that.
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>>141161846
Not really.

They are just like humans, except they got hair boners and die early. Their "year" is the same. They grow and mature at the same rate as humans.

If we use her age and their average lifespan as a reference, their average marriage age is probably 10-14, with a few years spent for them to go through puberty, probably start making babies around 13-16, perhaps.
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>>141162155
Only because Kawamori didn't bother enough for this to make sense. We have at the same time people that are about to die and look a lot older than 30, yet the young fighters look like children. It is ridicules.

>>141162247
That is not how biology works.
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>>141161921
>discussing other series in macross thread
>waifuposting on top of that
>calling other shitposter
No. you fuck off shitposter.
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MIRAGEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>141162358
how come
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>>141162303
>Only because Kawamori didn't bother enough for this to make sense
It makes enough sense. They age like normal, then as they get closer to 30 they start looking older and older and get weird castings on their face until they die I guess. There's really no need to look into it much deeper
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>>141162416
Don't give him (you)s, ignore him.
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>>141162303
>that are about to die and look a lot older than 30
The 30 year is an average, its not an absolute.

Human average lifespan is like, what? 70? 80? But there are people that are over 100 years old.
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>>141162086
Not him. But have you even considered that Windemereans develop physically and mentally like normal humans up to a certain age then their aging process accelerates more rapidly?
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>>141162454
Just like dogs and cats, am I right? They suddenly for no reason just lie down and die. Or maybe humans are secretly shooting them?

Jesus, why can't you admit that it is just stupid?

>>141162514
Read >>141162086

>>141162526
Yes, except this is not how it works.
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>>141161846
No, it's been stated that they die young in exchange for their physical abilities (and even then we don't exactly know what's up with those white scars or the fact that once they hit 30 they start to age faster). But their mentality is more or less the same as humans at that age. The only difference is that they are expected to mature faster and act like adults as soon as they reach their teens. See, Bogue acts like a human of his age, but in his race's eyes he's too childish. It's all a matter of perspective. If they die so soon for the good of their society they should start acting like adults as soon as they stop being children.
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>>141162168
He probably is an uncle with a lot of nephews by now.
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>>141162564
> They suddenly for no reason just lie down and die.
Well I'd assume it has to do with the massive scarring on their faces
>Jesus, why can't you admit that it is just stupid?
Because we don't have all the facts

>Yes, except this is not how it works.
But they're aliens so clearly it is. Also it has been stated it happens in exchange for their increased physical abilities so there is a correlation here
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>>141162564
We still don't know all the facts. They are making a big deal of their short lifespans so I'm pretty sure there must be something else behind that will get addressed at some point.
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>>141162564
>Yes, except this is not how it works.
What doesn't work? You have to remember they aren't human and probably different biology than we do. Not to mention the climate of their planet is quite harsh since its mostly a tundra.
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>Planet full of fish people and the planet of cat people and the marsupial people from Dynamite 7 are totally normal but the Windermereans are weird
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>>141155350
Nobody commented on this so I will.
It says that the Draken III was developed by former Anti-UN members who reassembled in the galactic rim and are helping out Windermere.
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>>141162645
It could also be like a case of overloading. As they get older, they can't contain their powers as well and rapidly age to compensate for it. Just like how women become less fertile at 30+ and men's testosterone starts dropping too, so does the ability of Windemereans to contain their abilities and their bodies degenerate much more quickly to compensate.

Either way about it, who gives a fuck. It's fucking Macross, shit does not have to be cohesive or make sense.

That anon is a fucking retard for wanting sense in Macross.
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>>141163251
>It could also be like a case of overloading
This is actually my biggest fear with Freyja
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>>141163031
They have dicks in their hair man shit
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>>141163031
>superior physical abilities
>can produce fold waves
>can share information through their runes
>can induce hallucinations
>shining hair
>all of them are attractive
Not weird, better. Inb4 short lives meme. A tortoise lives longer than we do but we are best species in this planet.
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Zentraedis still the superior alien race though
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>>141163662
DYRL-onwards Folmo > SDF.
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>>141164328
Anon scanned and posted the chapter a few days ago.
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>>141164328
>Keith's manga being released in a fujoshit magazine
Why am I not surprised?
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>>141164415
I won't disagree.

But that being said, SDF has Exedol trying to sing My boyfriend is a pilot
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Lot of good stuff on pixiv lately
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>>141165914
Even fujoshi like Freyja.
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>>141166113
When fujoshi like a female character this much that they start shipping her with whatever guy(s) she interacts with you know she's a big deal.
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>>141166113
they look like twinks
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>>141166337
>Thing that did not happen with Mikono in Evovl
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If you don't think that Mirage is the best Delta and deserves to win the b owl, you have terminally shit taste.

The fact that fujoshi love Freyja only supports this.
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>>141138865
>mikumo not doing the one handed W
you had one fucking job, artist-kun..
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>>141166650
It's the artstyle.

>>141166766
Why do people like to associate best girl with winning the bowl?
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>>141166848
The fuck are you saying? That was the first promotional art for the series several months ago.
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>>141166978
yes, and?
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>>141167102
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>>141167067
Meaning they didn't consider to show Mikumo doing the W sign as it was a spoiler.
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Why is Kumo-san always smug?
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Guys, what if Mikumo isn't human?

She just seems so weird and aloof.
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>>141167367
She's just high all the time
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>>141167303
>that QUALITY

Macross never disappoints
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>>141167295
as in that they didn't want to spoil that she is fixated with that gesture and enjoys showcasing it as much as she can for whatever reason? yeah, makes sense
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>>141167303
AWAKEN MY MASTERS
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>>141167367
>Guys, what if Mikumo isn't human?
Current non-human theories are:
AI
Protodeviln
Windermerian
Protoculture
Some artificial being creaed by protoculture
Varja clone
Mermaid
Space Squid
Mirage's AI
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>>141167555
What drugs is Mikumo using?
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>>141167758
Whatever the magic space drugs Kawamori is using
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why are alien niggers so jealous of humans?
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>>141168038
Why do everyone hate elves in fantasy settings? Because elves always have better culture, science and live longer. It's just jealousy.

In Macross humans are like elves for Windermerians.
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>>141168038
No one is jealous of humans, they are the plebest race. Every other race is better than them.
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>>141167704
>Space Squid
Remove Hideauze!
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>>141167367
She is an autist
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>>141167704
But what if Mirage is Mikumo's AI?
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>>141168287
You gonna get cultured
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>>141168316
Ha ha! Time for senmetsu!
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>>141168287
Even the lazy fish-gypsies?
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>>141167367
>>141167704
Honestly Protodeviln seems like the most likely option given the hair thing and high output of fold/song energy
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>>141168845
She is either an actual surviving protoculture person or a bird human core.
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>>141168993
Hayate is a manlet
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>>141169051
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>>141168993
Will Bogue fight for Freja bowl?
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>>141169326
go to hell
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>>141169352
What a tsundere.
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>>141157497
What's she doing with her hands ??!?!!?

I must know for reasons.
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>>141168993
All this Bogue fanart better not be predicting the future
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>>141169766
Why not?
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>>141169557
masturbating
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>>141170342
Because I don't like shipping characters who haven't met
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>>141170594
But Bogue already saw Freyja and got a hair boner.
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This is a pretty fun show.

I swear, it's going to turn into Macross 7 though, complete with trying to stop war with music. The villains are arguably in the right here, and the major protagonist just wants peace.

Freyja is 3cute, I hope she wins.
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HAHHAHHA
Kaname is a material for bullying for real.
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I swear, if Freyja doesn't win I'm killing the director.

Seriously, how can you make such a lovely girl and give her so much positive focus only for her to lose? It'd be goddamn tragic. Especially since Mikumo doesn't even have her seiyuu do the singing.
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I think the only negative part about Delta is that the supporting cast isn't as consistently good as in, say, Frontier, even if the trio is on par.
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>>141171570
>even if the trio is on par.
No, they aren't on par. The Frontier trio was terrible. Sheryl is best Macross girl ever, but Ranka and Alto were terrible. Hayate is a pretty cool MC so far and Freiya is great and Mirage is okay, she needs more screentime but she is likable, she isn't Ranka tier of awfulness.
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>>141171259
>The villains are arguably in the right here
Kek.

Though the Protodevlin were never shown as right

>>141171570
>the supporting cast isn't as consistently good as in, say, Frontier
I think the only memorable parts of F's supporting cast were Ozma, Klan and Bobby
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>>141171730
> she isn't Ranka tier of awfulness

Fucking fight me.

At least we both agree that Freyja a qt3.14, right? I sincerely hope she wins.
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I am consistently baffled by this sudden appreciation of Alto as I recall the past like 8 years of people saying that he sucked
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