>He summoned a Lancer for his Heroic Spirit

>>140950077
He summoned the best bro. And prolly the best character.
To bad he won't survive the next few days.

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>>140950077
>lancer in FZ
>"he looks decent"
>dies like a bitch
>lancer in UBW
>"he looks somewhat cool"
>dies like a fucking bitch
Are all lancers die like scrubs?

>>140951513
How is Lancer in UBW die like a bitch? He takes his dick master out and saves Rin. If anything he went unbelievably hard. The F/Z one did go it like a scrub though.

>>140951513
>Gets up from a spear to the heart
>Kills Kotomine
>Scares the fuck out of Shinji
>Burns the whole place down

How did he die like a bitch?

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>>140950077
LOL

>>140951831
Kotomine ordered him to kill himself. He didn't die in glorious battle, he was ordered to seppuku himself, just like his predecessor. Lancers are terrible, you'd be better off with Assassin or Caster than the guy who always gets screwed thanks to E rank luck

>>140952053
>Lancers are terrible

Lancers are freaking incredible. Pretty skilled, nice weapons with cool gimicks and absolute Bros.
Their masters suck though. And their luck

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>>140950077
This one.

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>>140950077
>he doesn't have both lancer and archer

>>140952232
Why he hell do their weapons always have that veiny penis thing going on

>>140952265
Who's the kid?

>>140952208
Fraga is waifu material, a shame a autist took her place

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>>140951831
>kills gay priest
Even fucking Emporio of all people managed to frag one.
>Scares the fuck out of Shinji
Unimpressive
>Burns the whole place down
Ok, I'll give him that
>Gets up from a spear to the heart
This shitty spear haven't killed anyone in the show. It managed to wound saber, but she is the queen of jobbers, even my dick is capable of that.

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>>140952471
>Have a Noble Phantasm that is supposed to guarantee death to anything it hits
>It fails to kill everyone he uses it on, including himself
Holy shit why are Lancers so bad

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>>140952394
Ko-Gil, man.

>>140952725
That's my fcuking point. Lancers are so pathetic that it's hilarious.

>>140952725
His luck is non-existent. Sucks to be him lol

>>140951818
>take his dick master
>save another master
Fuck you, do you even grail war?

>>140952953
He and Gil should hook up and form The Ultimate Duo of Jobbers, with Saber as a side bitch.

>>140952293
as so you may grip the pole

>>140951818
Since when killing a gay priest became impressive?
>saves Rin.
That's just counterproductive.

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Hello.

My name is Kayneth El-Melloi Archibald. I am the eldest son of the 9th generation of a prestigious mage bloodline.

I am going to participate in the so called "Holy Grail War" soon. My victory is already assured, since the vessel needed to summon "Alexander the Great" will arrive here soon. But I will not underestimate this battle like a fool and I have come here today to ask you cunning people for advice.

What should I do to increase my odds to win over these other 6 honorable contestants?

>>140950077
Any heroic spirit is useful depending on how you use them.

>>140953440
Don't take your bitch with you.
Avoid any fight with insane mercenaries.

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I think I'd have fun hanging out with Lancer during the few days before our inevitable deaths.

>>140953440
In case your relic gets stolen don't summon a Lancer

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>>140953494
Except for Lancer and Saber.

>>140953440
Stay away from Emiya

>>140953440
If Kayneth summoned Rider instead he wouldnt end up cucked, he'd be wise enough to have a proper strategy and theyd have a decent chance of winning the war.

>>140953601
Kayneth could have fare better if he uses hit and run tactics with lancer.

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what the fuck did yall say

>>140953640
Rider would have cucked him way harder

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What do I need to do to summon a Caster Cu in a war?

Can I just hope really hard and have my wish come true?

Can I double summon Cu to be Caster Cu and Rider Cu?

Full Hercules grail war when?

All these questions and so little time.

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>>140953669
Quite, kid. You don't want to wake Aniki up.

>>140953697
We can't have full Hercules war, he can't be Caster

>>140953259
Honestly, I'd fuck Kotomine and I don't even swing that way.

>>140953682
Rider would be down for a threesome with them.

>>140953697
>Full Hercules grail war

This would be an enormous riot.
And tons of fun.

>>140953682
Rider was just saying that shit to make Waver feel better. He would've worked with Kayneth, they wouldn't have been buddy buddy, but they would've been an effective team

>>140953440
>What should I do to increase my odds to win over these other 6 honorable contestants?

Nothing, man. You're set as the greatest Magus in this war.

I'll just give you some advice. There is some Japanese pleb with a small lineage of negligible value.
Marry either of his daughters into your bloodline, even if the magic crest is useless, they're both good breeding stock.

>>140953440
Don't embarrass your apprentice in public just for the lol. If you already did it then don't task him with delivering your important magical artifact.

>>140953682
Rider was a fag anon, both in real life and in the anime.

>>140953440
Rape and kill Waver.

>>140953640
Rider would have cucked his wife. notice his reality marble is filled with men he's seduced over the years.

>>140953734
Replace Caster with Boxer class Hercules. Imagine a sane Hercules just going around punching shit at NP level.

>>140953788
Assassin Hercules would be the one I want to see the most.
I can't actually imagine him with Presence Conceal so I just figure he'll intimidate people into pretending he's not there.

>>140953791
You don't seem to know Rider very well, he would have outright fucked Sola

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>>140950077
Seriously summon cu as anything other than a Lancer and he will wreck ass

>>140953440
Don't let your Servant demonstrate all his skills and Noble Phantasms to all the other participants by first announcing his exact location to everyone and then engaging them in an inconclusive fight.

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>>140953440
Wait what the fuck I made that post some weeks ago

I'm f-flustered

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>>140953669
Karna would be unstoppable as a summon. Especially as Archer, the hindus really knew how to mary sue their gods up.

>The bow of Lord Shiva, the Destroyer.Lord Shiva left it in the care of Lord Indra who on instruction from Lord Shiva gave it to Lord Parashurama. Lord Parashurama kept it as his personal bow and later gave it to Karna. The Sanskrit name ‘Vijaya’ means ‘victory’ and this bow is said to give sure victory to the possessor. The string of this bow cannot be broken by any kind of astra or weapon.Every time an arrow is released from this bow, it created a terrible twang, which is said to be loud as thunder causing terrible fear in enemies and produces flashes of light as brilliant as lightning, which blinds the enemy. Every time an arrow is aimed, the energy of the arrow is amplified by multiple times as this bow is charged with sacred mantras.No weapon, not even Pashupatastra, can harm a warrior who has Vijaya bow in his hand, as the name Vijaya implies victory to the wielder.

>>140952232
So how did she die? Suicide?

>>140953933

Karna's overrated, if you aren't a AAA grade magus, just his prana burst will obliterate you in ten seconds if he uses it in battle.

Same issue as all the most powerful servants. The stronger they are, the stronger the master has to be to sustain them, especially if they go all-out.

>>140952265
Somehow it seems like he has twintails at the first glance.

>>140953882
He'd probably fall on his own spikes and killed himself by that.

>>140953682
Not true anon
>Higashide: If Kayneth were Rider's master it wouldn't have worked out. But there wouldn't be any cheating*. (*as in Sola-Ui with Lancer)
>Urobuchi: Not exactly cheating but I think [Rider] would basically go at it as if to fuck both of them.
Higashide: Oh yeah, he's bisexual.
Haganeya: Bisexuality was relatively normal for people of ancient times.

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>>140953440

Howdy partner. It's me, Kayneth, that'd be you, from an alternate future. I just done finished castin' a right mixture of the Second and Fifth Magic in order ta warn me, I mean you, not ta let Waver collect the vessel. Also, don't eat them chalupas at Taco Bell tomorrow. Trust me, ya'll'll regret it come mornin.

>>140954140
That proves my point tho

>>140953882
Why is Cu so sexy in all his forms? Caster has his more beautiful aspects, Lancer has his sheer fun loving boyishness, and Berserker has his primal sexuality in full display.

>>140954007
I think she has some kind of unwanted immortality.

Couldn't you technically summon batman as a servant? Or is this bullshit?

>>140954007
Solomon obliterated her with the force of a gorillion Excaliblasts.

>>140954198
Solomon burned her to ashes, hence why she can be summoned in F/GO

>>140954213
>bullshit
It's nasuverse- it's made of bullshit for bullshit by talentless hacks.

>>140954213
Fucking secondaries, get out of here

>>140953896
Seems like a solid strategy. I'd listen to this guy.

>>140953882
He looks ridiculous.

>>140953882
Why does he have a Sharingan on his chest?

>>140951513
Ubw Lancer had the most badass and honorable deaths out of anyone

If Gilgamesh was summoned as a Lancer instead of Archer would gates of Babylon be sealed? Or would he just Spam spears instead?

>>140954574
>Sharingan
Please try to think of any other place that symbol comes from that's not Naruto

>>140954595
Im not sure if anything other than his base stats would really change.

>>140954577
That would be Berserker. Lancer died like a bitch.

>>140954595
He would've triped over some rock and died a the start of the show.

>>140954778
> couldn't even protect a little girl

>>140954839
Would his luck still be intact?

>>140954910
Dude, we're talking about king of jobbers as a jobber class servant.

>>140954595
I think he would just be a very good melee fighter and only able to warp in spears. Naturally he would still have ae since it is a weapon that cant be defined.

>>140954595
He gets beaten up by Waver in a fight.

>>140950077
>Not wanting to summon a bro as fuck heroic spirit
I don't care, I probably would've lost the war anyway, mind as well have fun.

>>140956284
>not wanting the grail to keep your bro around forever.
The war is like a week or two.

yes I know you need to let your spirit commit suicide to fill the grail. But you can then use the magic to summon him back and tell him all about the great times you had together

>>140956563
>The war is like a week or two
But normally you can summon yor servant even 2 moths before it starts. It's 2 moths of fun
>>140955706
>I think he would just be a very good melee fighter
Anon you know that F/SN Gilgamesh is pretty shit melee fighter? That's why ginger could defeat him easily.

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>>140951513

>>140952798
>>140952471
>>140952725

Is an eroge what else did you expect?

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Why is Achilles so shit and Cu so great

>>140957226
Your point being?

>>140957226
I expected hilariously awful show, and I wasn't disappointed.

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>>140957056
>>140952471

>>140950077
Now you know what the luck of the irish is really like.

>>140954434
>>140954574
Warp spasms I would guess.

>>140954637
It's stupid. He's an Irish hero. Having magatama on his chest doesn't make any sense.

>>140954577
That would be Fate Aachaa.

>>140954023
So with that in mind, he might also work as caster to milder that weakness.

>>140953933
Indian Gods don't count because it's literally fan-fiction tier writing.

>>140950077
What's wrong with cuck o'lane or whatever his name was? He's basically unbeatable in melee duels as long as there's no luck stat bullshit, and he's fast as fuck so he can get away from any servants he can't beat. A surefire way to win the Holy Grail would be to summon Lancer and then team with another master who has a servant with a different sort of skillset but couldn't actually beat Lancer in a fight. Probably assassin so you can sneak kill/outsmart the op servants like gil and saber.

>>140953933
The problem is that he would be weak against germs with his D level hygiene.
gangrene would eat him after 3 days, so you have to win the war before the second day ends.
Do you think he can summon adesignated shitting street reality marble?

>>140951513
E Rank Luck.

>>140954163
laughed harder at this then I should have

>>140953065
Kotomine wasn't even his real master.

>>140960715
The problem was that his master fucked up and gave lancer to kirei, who proceeded to use him for reconnaissance. I guess the whole luck thing with arthur was to show of the luck stat in the ingame universe

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>>140960716
>Do you think he can summon adesignated shitting street reality marble?

>>140960715
It's kind of sad because Cu is definitely a top tier servant in normal circumstances, he just got fucked by being up against Saber and Hercules. There's no way he can beat either of them.

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>>140960939
>gave
That's not the word I'd use.

>>140961085
Couldn't Lancer have actually beaten Hercules? I could be totally wrong, as it's been a while since I read/watched any Fate stuff but I'm pretty sure Lancer was faster, so all he has to do is stab him with gay bulge and wait for him to heal, then rinse and repeat 9 times.

Unless of course Herc also has an A+ luck stat.

>>140950077
Looks like the Servant isn't the only one with E rank luck

>>140960716
>Do you think he can summon a designated shitting street reality marble?
Considering the servants' powers come from the general belief, it would probably follow what the world thinks about when the they hear the word indian god.
A designated shitting street reality marble wouldn't be out of the question.

The real question is : can Shiki destroy such a reality marble?
Can Shiki kill shit?
Can Shiki kill indian shit?

>>140961167
Being such a retard in front of kirei pretty much is equal to giving something.

Its like going with a fat purse into a ghetto. Sure technically its called getting robbed but you pretty much give you purse away

How come nobody ever summoned Jesus? Or even one of the apostles? They'd be easy as shit to summon because there's so many relics of them, and they'd be ridiculously strong because everyone knows of them.

>>140961865
Does the shit truly exist?
If it was in a liquid state, Shiki's knife wouldn't be able to cut it, Shiki can't cut water, so Shiki can't cut shit. Therefore, Shiki wouldn't be able to use his mystic eye on on the shit.
He can still cut Apu, so he can probably cut the indian guy summoning the reality marble.
Shiki can kill Indian servants.

>>140962117
>Summon Juda
>Get a weak ass jew
>Get sold out to other masters for jewels
Nobody wants to summon a jew, anon.

>>140961606
Hercules becomes immune to anything that kills him once. So he'd die to Gay Bulge once and then Lancer is boned because he doesn't have anything else that can get past his God Hand.

>>140962117
Jesus is almost certainly too divine to summon.

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>>140962117
You got me on the apostles, but Jesus himself is one of the individuals that actually can't be summoned unless he willingly incarnates himself, most likely into the Saver class. Nasuverse YHWH is for all intents and purposes as powerful as the Biblical YHWH, which means if Jesus doesn't want to come play in your war there's nothing you can do to force him.

>>140962117
Jesus is God. You can't summon God. I guess you could summon an apostle, but they weren't really fighters so what the hell would they even do in a war?

>>140950077
>summon Scathach
>cum inside her everyday
>her Luck may be shit but I'm lucky for banging her

>>140950077
IT'S A SHAME HE WON'T LIVE, BUT THEN AGAIN, WHO DOES?


>>140951513
>J-just read the VN bro! HAHA, it clears up all the issues within the self-contained anime!

>>140962289
>>140962370
>>140962391
What about the muslim interpretation of jesus, can't he be summoned out of a PU or something

>>140953440
Why are teachers such dicks?

>>140962278
Ah shit, that's pretty op. Can anybody except Gil ever kill him then? Provided you don't give Archer invincibility or super-speed or something.

>>140960584
>fan fiction-tier
fuck off with this

>>140961606
>>140962278

Nasu has said it would be possible, but that it would be a very uphill battle for Lancer and he'd have to use Rune magic to enhance Gae Bolg in order to win.

Herakles has a very clear advantage in matchups against every servant in the 5th HGW except Gilgamesh. Most can kill him once or twice like Caster and Rider, Archer can kill him up to six times in an all-out battle scenario, Lancer and Saber both have a chance at completely beating him albeit a slim one (Rin Saber has much better odds but is still at a disadvantage). Fake and True Assassin are helpless against him.

There's actually only a few servants out there period who have good odds of beating Herakles. In Grand/Order, an entire party of Servants were completely helpless against him due to lacking any A-rank attacks or offensive noble phantasms. He only died due to mindlessly touching David's Ark, which is an instant-kill for all 12 lives. His madness that makes him easy to control is his only true weakness as Berserker, because he lacks the knowledge and intelligence that made Heracles the greatest hero in Greece in the first place.

>>140962736
Saber beat him with an asspull about killing 7 of his lives at once. Apart from bullshit like that Herc is nigh impossible to take down. You need 12+ A+ rank Noble Phantasms, only Gil has that many.

>>140962391
Heracles and Karna are also gods, but those guys show up without a hitch.

>>140962879
How do you kill someone 7 times at once

>>140953440
Go to the Tohsakas' house and ask for the father's red christal he wants to give to his daughter.

>>140962879
You don't need 12+ A rank NP, you need an NP that can kill him 12 times in one blow.

>>140962736

Any Servant with A-rank strength can execute potentially limitless different A-rank attacks and kill him twelve times in a row in a single battle, but that is tantamount to saying that you're going to try to kill one of the strongest servants in the universe twelve times in a row with no chance to rest and recover. A-rank strength is so rare that these kinds of Servants are unlikely to appear at all.

A Servant with an A-rank noble phantasm can also kill him with normal attacks and not having to activate the weapon's special ability, like Saber did to him in UBW. Currently unknown if Godhand develops a resistance to normal attacks with A-rank noble phantasms, since Saber never got a rematch with Berserker.

A-rank spells can kill him too, but Medea, one of the most powerful magi we've ever seen, knows only one or two A-rank offensive spells.

Only Servants with egregiously powerful weapons and attacks like Karna or Gilgamesh have good odds of beating Heracles in a direct battle.

>>140963004
Fairies.

>>140963003
You're confusing gods with God. Entirely different concepts.

>>140963004
you so thouroughly destroy him it costs him multiple lifes to recover. Im sure Rider her pegasus attack would probably blast most of his lifes as well.

>>140963003
heracles that is summoned is his demigod form, not his god form. He probably got recorded by the throne of heroes when he put himself on the pyre before hera made him a god.

Also didnt nasu say he was a wraith like assassin?

>>140963003

They were mortals before they were gods, so their mortal souls are summonable. Gods themselves cannot be summoned in servant vessels; only High Servants can sustain the existence of a god.

>>140963089
>Currently unknown if Godhand develops a resistance to normal attacks with A-rank noble phantasms
I think there is a delay like with him regenerating his lifes.

>>140953440
Summon an indian god, then enjoy drowning the other master in a sea of diarhea "summoned" by your servant. Don't forget to also drown your wife at the end, she's a backstabing whore.

Also, make sure your servant doesn't use his wish for a grenn card.

>>140954169
Does it count as cucking if both get fucked in a non metaphorical way?

>>140963159
>Gods themselves cannot be summoned in servant vessels
That rule has so many exceptions it might as well be considered moot.

>>140963140
How do you thouroughly damage him though? Isn't damage to the body = damage to the body? Or is damage somehow more?

>>140954197
Even the artist of the Fate manga called him the sexiest man.

>>140963140

Nasu never said Heracles had never existed. Fake assassin is a unique case where someone who wasn't the heroic spirit was summoned in his place, because there is no actual Sasaki Kojirou spirit. Heracles had no issues with his summoning. What Nasu really meant is elaborated on in Grand Order: Heracles is an Earth-type spirit. Earth-type spirits are heroes whose legends are unbelievable and seemingly fictitious, that are strong against monsters but weak against humans.

Nasu also said that Rider could only kill Heracles once or twice with Bellerophon. Also, the reason why Caliburn killed Herc seven times is because of a bullshit dimensional refraction effect that amplified the sword's power due to it reuniting with its owner, Saber, from across time and space.

>>140963284
Blasting his head of counts for one life. Blasting him with a blast of energy that tears his whole body apart counts for more lifes. Maybe it was a prolonged attack that cost him multiple lifes to sustain through. Its a piece of fiction with sketchy rules. Dont be surprised that you can blast 7 lifes away.

>>140963256

There are no actual exceptions to that. Tamamo is not Amaterasu, she broke herself off as a singular mortal fragment and became her own independent existence that is counted as a human. Orion (Artemis) is not actually Artemis, it's just that Artemis took over his body to have fun because she wants to hang out with him. The servant Orion is still Orion in every way, just effectively sockpuppeted and altered in appearance.

>>140963354
Alright. I give up.

>>140963284
It's bullshit and it's best not to think about it. The whole 'takes multiple lives in a single blow' was a contrivance created because Nasu was writing and thought "Ah shit, I really don't want to figure out 7 different ways for Saber to kill Berserker" and just farted out "She killed him 7 times over with one hit, yeah that'll do".

Suffice to say taking multiple God Hand lives at once is an extremely rare thing and needs some incredibly specific circumstances to occur. In Sabers case it was the miracle of being reunited with Caliburn through time and space that gave her attack extra metaphysical properties. No other servant will be able to take multiple Berserker lives in a single blow without something like that.

>>140963113
>gods are not gods
I can get what you're saying, but you might want to rephrase it.

>>140952293
Scáthach personally gave Cú Chulainn his weapon in mythology. It makes sense they'd look similar.

>>140950077
Summon Jackie Chan as Lancer

Equipped with a ladder for spear weapon

E rank luck always getting him into trouble

Noble phantasm is an IKEA store

Kidnap someone's baby and have him protect it

Can he be beat?

>>140963524
>No other servant will be able to take multiple Berserker lives in a single blow without something like that.
Not servant was supposed to be able to take multiple lives in a single blow in the first place. Once Nasu broke his own rules who knows how many other special exceptions he'll dole out.

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Is the fan community a little too harsh on the UBW anime?

>>140962117
Muslim or Jewish Jesus should be fine. Can't imagine he'd be too useful, though.

>>140963870
He needs to be smiling, smiling!

>>140964213
They just found out a VN they read as impressionable young adults is rather shit and unlike the VN nostalgia doesn't protect the animu

>>140964213
Yes. It is pretty much perfect as an adaptation. It's like people expect it to be as good as the whole VN when it's only a film version of 1/3 of it.

>>140963635
God, capital G, is a proper noun referring to a single omnipotent being. Lowercase god is a generic noun referring to a grabbag of entities ranging from omnipotence to "literally a single pebble".

>>140964404
Are you saying goddo is stronger than kami-sama?

>>140953440
dude there's a red haired kid some where in that town in japan, kidnap him. This is where it sounds crazy, if it didn't already at red haired kid in japan, but trust me it'll work. Use him as a catylist to summon a heroic spirit.

>>140964404
>a single omnipotent being
That description doesn't actually apply to any of the actual deities in the Nasuverse.

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>>140950077

>>140964729
Which is precisely why Jesus is not featured as a summonable servant.

>>140962391
>>140962117
Actually, you may be able to cheat with Jesus due to semantics.
Jesus while full divine was also fully human. If Jesus was for some reason, willing to be summoned probably to break the whole damn grail war as disgusting and affront to god,. He could exploit the fully human aspect of himself to break through easily. Now here's he real fun part. Think of all the European christian servants, and how they react with him around.

>>140964835
Why, because he's not omnipotent?

>>140953933
If I remember right, that weapon can be fired with the bow, words, eye & otherwise. The only difference NP wise between Archer & Lancer Karna is if he fires it from a bow or laser eyes.

>>140964890
Was King Arthur Christian? I don't think Christianity had spread to Britain that early had it? I don't actually think there are that many Christian servants, the majority of them seem to come before Jesus was even around.

>>140965024
>Was King Arthur Christian?
He's a fictional character, he's as Christian as the storyteller says he is.

>>140965024
Yes, Arthur Pendragon is expressly a christian figure, same for Lancelo
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Worthies
Arturia, maybe not.

>>140964213
He tried to capture the feeling of the VN and use it for the atmosphere in the anime, even if that is something very hard, if not impossible to do for a TV series.
If it were one big movie, he could have achieved it, but it wasn't.
You can't capture the feeling of the VN with one 25 minute episode each week.
The VN also put a lot of work into Shirous thoughts, while the anime had a 3rd person narrator.
You can't capture the feeling of the atmosphere, if you don't see it from the same point of view as in the VN, but from a broader perspective.

>>140965124
Oh yeah, of course he was, he was looking for the Holy Grail, duh

>>140953669
>tfw no Edison and Blavatsky

>>140965206
The Grail itself wasn't originally Holy. It was Percival's story too.

>>140965024
>Was King Arthur Christian?
Yes, he's been Christian ever since some guy said King Arthur was Christian.

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>>140965235
>tfw no Ghatotkacha

>you will never wake up to that face

Why even bother

>>140950077
There's really no excuse for the person that summons assassin to not win every single time by just killing alll the other masters (especially since every master in these fights is so full of hubris, incompetence or both that sneak attacks are something they can't really prepare for at all)

That just doesn't happen because then you don't get any shounen fight scenes where people power up and unleash their engrish named special dbz techniques

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>he summoned an Archer who doesn't use a bow

>>140964825
In fact, I'm pretty sure Karna's FGO profile says that if you're basically worthless if you lose with Karna.

>>140965468
If Assassin gets detected by another servant before he gets the kill it's all ogre. Think start of Fate/Zero

>>140965468
>There's really no excuse for the person that summons assassin to not win every single time by just killing alll the other masters
For a while, Hassans were some of the deadliest thanks to their ability to kill masters. But, then everyone & everyone's mom developed a counter. Some stayed near their Servants or otherwise. It's a dangerous thing so deadly that everyone has a counter & thus it stops being deadly.

>>140965534
Karna is probably canonically the strongest servant according to his myth. His whole story is literally fan fiction about how awesome and unbeatable he is and they crammed him with enough powers it would make Kishimoto blush

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>>140965534

>>140965550
assassin in fate zero got detected because of plot convenience and him not fighting dirty enough because, again, fate is a series that is based on anime power level fights

>>140965601
>probably canonically the strongest servant according to his myth
But far from the strongest in Hindu stories.

>>140965577
all of the masters at least try to live normal lives, none of them are crazy preppers that have unlimited supply works in their basement so they can go full neet

if they leave the house, even with their servant with them then they create potential weaknesses if that sort of thing was what this series was actually about

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>>140965626

>>140965601
Not even close to Shiva, lord of destruction.

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Best ASSassin.

Also give Fate/Apocrypha

>>140965626
It was a set up of course, but it still shows what happens if he gets caught in the act. Assassins have presence concealment, but it doesn't make them undetectable. One fuck up and you're out of the war

>>140965736
Shiva is probably too divine to summon, being a god and all.

>>140965468
There's no excuse not to bring a sniper rifle to a grail war.
It doesn't even matter what servant you have when you have Heroic Spirit: Sniper Rifle

Shit, kill the other six masters, take a plane trip to another country with your servant, lay on a beach somewhere and just wait for your servant to disappear.

>>140965805
There you go again with your divinity faggotry, just summon a diminished version of him like with fox slut from extra.

>>140965807
give assassin a sniper rifle instead for dat presence concealment

>>140965763
>One fuck up and you're out of the war
You get a lot of retries with Hundred-Faced Hassan.

>>140965701
>all of the masters at least try to live normal lives
For one, finding the Masters entirely is a bitch. Plenty disguise themselves or have some connections that save them. Assassins, compared to other servants, are mostly weak as fuck. They mostly rely on stealth & surprise.

>potential weaknesses
A weakness that an Assassin would be unable to exploit if another Servant is there. Aside from Kojiro, Li Shuwen & Semiramis, all very rare exceptions, Assassins are laughably weak in a regular fight. In fact, these three more or less suck at sneaking & are some of the least Assassin-like ones in the class.

>>140965701
>none of them are crazy preppers that have unlimited supply works in their basement so they can go full neet
Didn't Tokiomi basically spend the entirety of the war sitting in his basement? The only time he left was to look at Casters tentacle monster on Gigamesh's golden flying hot rod. It's definitely the optimal way to play the game. Shirou and Tohsaka keep going to school because they're pants on head retarded

>>140965807
Most servants would be unskilled with that kind of weapon & many are fast enough to deflect bullets. Besides, the Masters too are often mages with magical shit.

>>140965939
spending time in a basement and not going to school doesn't mean you aren't still living a somewhat normal life

tokiomi had to get food somehow, either he got it or got someone else to do it and either case would leave him exposed if the story was written in a way for details like that to matter

>>140965955
>fast enough to deflect bullet
>not fast enough to deflect a teenager swinging swords or throwing gems on them
lolbabs?

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>>140965997
He had pic related, all sorts of magical spells placed around the house & people working for him. That's all you need.

>>140966014
>a teenager channelling the abilities of the wielders of the magical swords he is using
>a teenager with magical spells & launching things that go boom

>>140965955
then summon heroic spirit simo hayha with his rifle of promised soviet slaying

being fast enough to deflect bullets is one thing, but reacting to it coming from miles away is entirely another

>>140966053
Assassin literally assassinated people for a hundred generations. He could poison his water or kill him in 300 different hands and that's without even using his noble phantasm. There's no reason for assassin to ever lose the war.

>>140965468
Shutout assassinates every servant but he still had some trouble with Excaliblast

>>140966098
>then summon heroic spirit super-wonder person
The number of modern servants are actually very rare in most grail systems. EMIYA is exceptional enough.

>>140965750
Can i summon her? And can she service me?

>>140966053
whats stopping assassin from just killing all the people that work for him to starve him out, then when he gets fed up and sends his servant out slipping away to either fuck him up somewhere else or go for the finishing blow

seige tactics son

>>140966122
And King Arthur has dealt with all sorts of giants & dragons. Gilgamesh too has a list of accomplisments. Cu Cuchulain fought off armies as he fucked cities full of women. This isn't counting Herakles, Karna and more.

>>140966190
He also sold his soul to be a counter guardian. That kinda helps.

>>140966217
>whats stopping assassin from just killing all the people that work for him to starve him out
The opponent having men who are aware of this system & him personally being able to summon his Servant at any time. The Assassin would sooner get killed than get shit done.

>seige tactics
A siege is a highly risky proposition anon. You leave yourself vulnerable too. A well garrisoned & supplied castle can last extremely long.

>>140966122
Assassin is kinda behind the times. We're in the modern age now but they don't even use guns.

>>140966217
Because he could have stocked up on enough food beforehand? The wars dont last that long. Also if your dudes are getting murdered and you dont see who did it you know its probably assassin and you can just set up magic shit to fuck him up because he is as weak as can be.

Also you have to worry about someone else running in and fucking you up while you are trying to starve a dude out.

>>140966276
Their accomplishments are worth shit unless their story involved fending off 1000 assassination attempts. Assassin should be able to outplay the shit out of them because it's his game, even the other heroic spirits weren't cocky and retarded which they are, they're going against up against a blackbelt.

>>140966346
EMIYA would actually be darn capable a sniper with Hrunting. He killed Shirou plenty of times in H/A.

>>140966433
The grail won't select someone who didn't heroically fight the other servants so you can't just sit in your basement and wait for the war to end or is that just a lie made up by kotomine to fuck with shirou?

>>140966438
Assassin could probably get his ass kicked by that temple dude. Assassin is meant for assassinating people, not fighting heroic spirits.

>>140966438
>Their accomplishments are worth shit unless their story involved fending off 1000 assassination attempts
>Assassin
>outplay
>they're going against up against a blackbelt
And Hassan is going up against something he has never went against before. Has Hassan I-Sabbah ever fought Herakles or Achilles? Some of these Servants have defeated monsters Hassan wouldn't last seconds against, tricked gods even & more. The average Assassin's skill pales compared to most others.

>>140966542
How does one assassinate monsters?

>>140966521
>temple dude
Kojirou is a highly exceptional Assassin. He's one that can't sneak to save his life but has extraordinary skill with his sword.

>>140966511
He probably meant that it wont end until there is only one person left, but if you sit around in your basement until its just you and another guy left thats just one person for you to have to fight instead of everyone at the same time so who is stupid now?

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>>140966580
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception

>>140966584
No I meant the dude who lives in the temple that gets buffed by caster.

>>140966661
That guy's name is Sazaki Kojirou. Medea managed to summon him in the Assassin class but it really doesn't suit him.

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>>140966438
You're not supposed to attempt to assassinate the servants anyways, you're supposed to target the master. Whether Hassan could defeat other servants in combat isn't even supposed to be a question worth answering, because Hassan isn't supposed to be directly fighting other servants at all.

>>140966661
Wait, do you mean Soichiro Kuzuki? The guy Medea's more or less married to?

>>140966542
>>140966521
>>140966580
>>140966699
>And Hassan is going up against something he has never went against before. Has Hassan I-Sabbah ever fought Herakles or Achilles?
He probably had to assassinate guarded targets. I don't know if you're all pretending to be retarded but assassin doesn't have fight a single servant to kill masters. It's not even remotely accurate to say he's going up against something he never went before, his assassination smarts ought to be at a whole other level than other heroic spirits. It won't even be a fight which is why I said outplay not beat you stupid idiots.

>>140966693
TM shit is in the OP.

>>140966699
But servants were made to fight servants. What dumbass would make it for masters to be in danger? Wars should be safe and like a game.

>>140966692
No I meant the human guy who punches people while caster buffs him. He is a monk or some shit. Caster is his waifu.
>>140966735
Yes.

>>140966737
& those Masters are prepared. Again, the Hassans used to be a deadly threat in the previous wars but by the 4th, people are weary & prepared for him. Any Master surviving longer for two seconds has some sort of protection.

>>140966737
EMIYA fights like an assassin anyways. He's shown it's possible.

>>140966749
If you're trying to imitate Kayneth, you're failing at it. Even Kayneth knew it was fair to target masters.

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>>140966749
>But servants were made to fight servants
>Assassin

>>140966798
Really? What did he do in the first three wars?

>>140966798
>& those Masters are prepared
Yeah and they're all amateurs except kiri. Anyone can win but assassin class is supposed to be the favored to win class in a normal world.

>>140966737
Yeah a gae bolg should kill anything it hits but look at how that works out.

Pretty much anyone who knows whats going on knows there is an assassin coming for them and assassin is shit tier anyway. Ooh there are a lot of him, how scary. A lot of jobbers are still jobbers.

>>140966821
>EMIYA fights like an assassin anyways.
Running up to people and flailing his arms around like an idiot while wielding some poorly designed and fucking ugly short swords?

>>140966867
Was it the same assassin even?

>>140966737
>Servant has Instinct, Eye of the Mind (True/False)
>Now has edge against assassinations

>>140966929
The real problem is Uro and Nasu are too dumb to write KGB operations so they just make assassin into a sneaky jew.

>>140966867
Hassan annihilated. The Hassans were a great threat because no one thought of a Servant who sucked at combat but deliberately targeted Masters. It was all "How can I beat their Servant with mine?"
>>140966894
>amateurs
Hassan couldn't kill some of them. Medusa fought off Hassan before, virtually none of the Hassans can even scratch Herakles & only in a few bad ends has Shirou died via Hassan.

>>140967030
That assassin wasnt great but to be fair, wasnt his master setting him up to fail on purpose?

>>140951513
Not sure, but Type-Moon is pretty self-aware of this and makes fun of it in Carnival Phantasm.

>>140966737
Are you fucking retarded? The workshops are magically guarded. the Emiya House is an exception because all it had was an alarm, but there's no way they can stroll into a sealed like nothing. And what kind of stupid fucking idea is to set a siege in something that barely lasts a little over two weeks?

Hundred Face is weak because its individual fragments can't fight worth shit and can less trespass on a magically fortified workshop than the other Hassans. The other Hassans were weak because even as a single Servant they were still crap at frontal combat, meaning that one slip-up being detected and they'd get murdered by the enemy Servant.

This all sounds like you have no goddamn clue what the hell you're even going on about. Cursed Arm Hassan won exactly zero battles on his own without the Shadow playing support, and then got his shit beaten in by a human.

>>140967064
So how did they beat Hassan? A war has never been won.

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>>140966964
More like firing homing swords at a safe distance.

>>140967140
The Assassins mostly suck at direct combat. Catch one off guard & they're as fucked as Star Wars in Disney's hands.

>>140966867
Assassin didn't exist in the first war. The details of what happened in the second war are vague, but the end result was that everyone either died or went home with nothing to show for it. A bunch of stuff happened in the third war, but there's no info on what Assassin did, and it ended much like the second war in that a lot of people died and nobody got the fancy cup.

>>140967227
Was there a single god damn war where someone actually got the grail?

>>140967140
>>140966867
>>140966737
>>140966122
>>140965997
>>140965701
>>140965468

Did you just stroll into these threads having only watched Zero or something? This is retarded. What "supply of food and water " are you even yapping about? Do you think the war just goes on for a month or something?

The Hassans routinely get murdered because it turns out magic barriers are a fucking basic shit and they're hopeless in the field if they have to fight other servants.

>>140967276
4 and 5

>>140967276
No, that's the fucking point.
Read the fucking VN.
Fuck it was in the TV series too.

>>140967326
Does 5 count? It ends up broken in most routes, abit not the bad ends.

>>140967276
No. Nobody ever actually claims the prize.

>>140967276
Ah, nevermind, you answered my question here >>140967315

Read the fucking source material before running your mouth like a goddamn moron.

>>140967129
Assassins should be good at combat though. A good assassin would have set up and traps. If they were caught off guard they would lose, but a good assassin would never be caught off guard. They should know ways to get around magic and superhuman physical attributes since they exist within the Fateverse. Doesn't mean they won't have trouble against impenetrable defenses though.

>>140965601
Kek he isn't even the strongest warrior in his own myth.

>>140967315
It really should go on for longer than a few weeks.

>>140967461
>Assassins should be good at combat though
They aren't. You aren't playing Call of Duty on Veteran, you're playing Metal Gear Solid on European Extreme.

>>140967370
Not really

>4th war
Excaliblated

>5th Fate
Excaliblasted

>5th UBW
Excaliblasted

>5th HF Good
Excaliblsted

>5th HF True
Illya performs Third Magic on Shirou and closes the hole to the Root that Angra Mainyu was going to come out of

Only one end can be thought of as someone "getting the grail". One could argue it doesn't count either.

>>140967129
You're limited to your own retarded imagination which is why you see assassin as weak but in a real world I would expect assassin to be much smarter than what I can come up with in 10 minutes of speculation those expectations weren't met. You can probably do something clever with 100 guys. Presence concealment had a lot of potential if assassin waited patiently like an assassin should and attacked at the worst possible moment but did any servant do that? In all of fate did assassin ever once attack someone 1v2 or 1v3? Uro just threw him at an unbeatable opponent like cannon fodder and called it a day.

>>140952053
>not sudoku

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>>140967612
So in theory Assassin could have beaten Gil right?

>>140967647
Am I in Romania?

>>140967670
No because Gil doesn't have a master. You try to paint me as an assassin fanboy and only reveal how retarded you are.

>>140967647
His Berserker "gimmick" is that he accepted his vampirism so that must mean he lost his mind right?

>>140967727
Anon everyone knows that bloodless vampires can't berserk.

>>140967551
I don't play normie shooters, explain it to me using anime games

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>>140967700
>Gil doesn't have a master

>>140967767
You're not tying to seduce the girl, you're trying to sneak into her home, fuck her, her mom & her sister while they're all asleep & not wake any of them up. Also their house has magical detection fields.

>>140967727
But that's a Lancer

>fate/tards
lelmaou

>>140967846
An assassin should know how to sneak past anything even a magic field. How else would they have assassinated magus within the past?

>>140967904
>An assassin should know how to sneak past anything even a magic field
And a Saber or Lancer should be able to slice planets into bits with their penises.
>How else would they have assassinated magus within the past?
What part of "People in the past were unexpected & didn't prepare" do you not get?

>>140967853
Didnt realize that was the apocrypha page, meant for his f/go berserker appearance

>>140967972
He's talking about people in the past as in the people that hassan killed while he was alive during the age of gods when he had to assassinate kings and sheet.

>>140967767
Less Naruto ninja and more Tenchu ninja.

Assassins are sneaky bastards, but none of them have bullshit laser beam swords or ballistic missiles hidden in their tits like other servants do.

>>140968042
>assassinated magus within the past
>magus

>>140968065
They're still supposed to be heroic spirits, they had to be so good at their job that people made up legends about them. What's the point of even having an assassin class if you can only summon average guys with high agility and a cloak?

>>140968090
There were no mages in the past?

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>>140967880
Mad about the upcoming Apocrypha anime?

>>140968241
Isn't it a manga?

>>140968241
But that's a manga dipshit
Extra is the one with the anime

>>140968181
>they had to be so good at their job that people made up legends about them
I assassinated 100 kings =/= I fought off an army of 100 dragons
>mages
The average king/assassination target wasn't a magus & even if they were, they wouldn't be prepared 24/7 with barriers.

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>Lancers are useless weaklings and summoning one is a sign of imminent death.
>Assassins don't know how to fight and have no chance of beating other classes in direct fights.

The Chinese language does not have words for the utter contempt I have for everyone in this thread.

>>140968273
It's coming and you can't hope to stop it

OST - Kenji Kawai

You can't hope to stop this train.

>>140968331
You're starting to grasp hard, literally making up shit about a hypothetical past world that both of us know nothing about. How do you know assassin didn't assassinate dragons by placing magical dragon poison in their food?

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>>140968341
>implying your assassin stands any chance against various others

>>140968181
>They're still supposed to be heroic spirits, they had to be so good at their job that people made up legends about them.

And they are. It's just that the competition includes unstoppable homing death-weapons, laser beams powered by the hopes and dreams of mankind, barriers that auto-block any attack that isn't in the top 1% of attacks, and the Necronomicon itself.

>>140950077
A daily reminder that all of fate is based on a terribly written porn game.

>>140968409
>How do you know assassin didn't assassinate dragons by placing magical dragon poison in their food?
How do you know that Gilgamesh doesn't have have his rib cage removed so he can suck his own cock all day?

>>140968341
>Bajiquan, the strongest discipline
>needs no second strike
Fuck are the other disciplines even trying?

>>140968341
Whats the point of being invisible. Gae bolg ensures that the spear hits Shuwen's heart. There is no escape.

>>140968489
Every piece of shit discipline needs no second strike if you hit the chest with enough force to rupture a heart

>>140968484
Got a problem with Bleach/stay night?

>>140967522
>It really should go on for longer than a few weeks.
>>140967612
>You're limited to your own retarded imagination which is why you see assassin as weak but in a real world

You have never read the story and have absolutely no clue what you're even arguing about, do you?

>>140968341
>needs no second strike
>does 90% of your current health as damage
What a joke boss

>>140965807
>Wait for your servant to disappear
>Not fucking your servant until she wants to leave.
Step up Anon.

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>>140968042
>hassan killed while he was alive during the age of gods
>hassan
>age of gods

>>140968484
It's not porn. There's barely any sex in it.

>>140968654
That just tells me it's bad porn, not that it isn't porn.

>>140968486
>How do you know that Gilgamesh doesn't have have his rib cage removed so he can suck his own cock all day?
I don't, which is why I won't assert that he doesn't without evidence. However if I were to assert that he doesn't I would probably be right since it makes no sense. Unlike your assertions which aren't based on anything, there's no reason at to think assassin has an unexplained aversion from assassinating mages or that mages had no barrier spells. You see the difference?

>>140968452
Li could punch Karna to death before the dumas even knew he was there.

He's the only Assassin who doesn't have to break presence concealment when he attacks.

>>140968510
You don't understand how Gae Bolg works, do you?

You see, Cu has to make a chuuni pose and wait several seconds while in close range before he can use his insta-kill attack.

Li's is just a representation of how much better at everything he is than the other plebs. And he can do it while invisible and undetectable.

The only time he actually fights someone is when he doesn't feel like winning without putting in any effort.

>>140968644
Didn't he exist for a hundred generations or something? That's like 5000 years.

>>140968181
>>140967904
>>140968042
>while he was alive during the age of gods

Did you just wander in from Animesuki or some shit?

>>140968760
No, he just pretended to be 100 different people so hard that he actually ended up becoming them.

The laws of physics just decided it was less of a hassle than trying to tell him he couldn't be 100 people at the same time.

>>140968760
Just go back to wherever you came from you stupid motherfucker.

>>140968811
Are you implying that assassins didn't exist during the age of gods for some unexplained reason? If assassins did exist then whats stopping one of them from being summoned into an assassin class container?

>>140968599
>Bleach/stay night
Fate is worse than that. Fate is like Bleach mixed with Harry Potter and crappy h-doujinshi. Add a pinch of haremshit and that's FSN. Add a dozen spoonfulls of haremshit and tell the characters to reenact Groundhog Day as an eroge, and that's HA.

>>140953440
Reminder Waver saves his ass in a timeline and now he's happily fucking Sola.

>>140968711
>why I won't assert that he doesn't without evidence
>your assertions which aren't based on anything
>unexplained aversion from assassinating mages or that mages had no barrier spells
I haven't seen bait like this in a while. DId you even read the source material or the extra materials?

Assassins used to be deadly, now they're considered to be a joke class. They got by due to unsuspecting Masters. Now everyone expects them so they're a joke.

>>140968915
>Now everyone expects them
Spanish Inquisition servant when?

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All your servants are shit compared to best TM girl

>>140968621
He got nerfed by the Moon Cell for being too OP

>>140968852
Read the VN you moron. Or at least pick up a fucking history book and look up who the Hassasshin were.

>>140953440
Adopt Waver and become a loving father figure, sending him to fight instead. He has the thickest plot armor of all Type Moon because he always survives no matter what.

>>140968954
>Spanish Inquisition
That would suck. They're legally required to give a 30 days notice so the defendant can prepare a defense.

>>140968968
Why are you posting an Assassin Servant?

>>140968760
Historically the assassins existed for two centuries at most. And Hassan i Sabbath was born around the 11th century so no age of gods there.

>>140968968
A genderflipped Waver?

Normal Waver is already best girl though.

>>140968915
I see you have no response so you decided to change the topic. I'll just remind you that you claimed
>legendary assassins mainly killed kings and regular humans
>mages were unprepared with barriers
All for no reason. Just go hide in shame as you well should you fucking retard, if you're going to play the "I know the source material better than you" card don't simultaneously make shit up.

>>140968979
Don't bother anon. I doubt he knows of the Hashish they got their name from & that the lowest & most disposable of their ranks actually assassinated.

>>140953440
>summoning a guy who was killed for cucking his lord
probably shouldn't do that and lock your wife up

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>>140968968
You mean Kohaku, right?

>>140969079
Shes 2nd place in my heart

>>140969051
What legend about an assassin stealthily killing what dragon or god-like creature in the fucking 10~12th century Middle East are you supposedly referencing here? Do you have any cunting clue what you're talking about?

>>140969019
To show how strong assassins are

>>140969021
>>140969057
Originally the conversation was about assassin class in general, hassan was only used as an example. I know about the historical hashinshin as much as the next guy, but by all means pretend that you know better and claim your unwarranted sense of superiority.

>>140968968
Person got all of Sakura's proportions wrong. Shit artist.

>>140969126
The same legend with the guy that fought off an army of 100 dragons.

I have a question. Why is assassin so fucking shit? Why not just wait till the summoner leaves their house then sneak in with their ability and poison their food? I mean it has to be the easiest job to win everything.

>>140969051
>I don't, which is why I won't assert that he doesn't without evidence. However if I were to assert that he doesn't I would probably be right since it makes no sense. Unlike your assertions which aren't based on anything
>saying shit like this yet claiming that
Have you read the VN?

Nice rephrasing, only they missed what I mean. Assassins in life usually didn't assassinate a mage, let alone a mage who's prepared for them. In most previous wars, the magus' didn't prepare as many home defences to anticipate Assassin attacks so Assassins got shit done well. Nowadays barriers around the house is just about every day but not in the early wars.
>All for no reason. Just go hide in shame as you well should you fucking retard, if you're going to play the "I know the source material better than you" card don't simultaneously make shit up.
Sorry kettle, I apologize for being black. I'm sorry for being so shiny that I look like a mirror.

>>140969079
Kohaku isn't the best meido, she isn't the best Turkeyhandle, and she isn't the best or even second best member of the Fujou clan. Kohaku is shit.

>>140969148
>hassan was only used as an example

You mentioned Hassan by name you imbecile:

>the people that hassan killed while he was alive during the age of gods

Besides, who ELSE are you going to summon in the Fuyuki War? Most of the other Assassin Servants are irregulars only allowed by the aberrant systems, none of which really operate like the Hassans. Who's this stealth-focused legendary assassin from the Age of the Gods you keep bringing up? Semiramis the might-as-well-be-Caster?

>>140969215
Read the thread

>>140969269
there's like 100 posts with assassin in it that's to much

>>140969151
>Shit artist.
>Takeuchi
Probably one of the least controversial statements anybody could make in a thread like this one.

>>140969191
Are you people this literal minded? I was just stating that killing numerous kings is incomparable to the kind of things others did. Should I have said "Take on multiple armies at once" or "In possession of god killing weapons?"

>>140969148
The best assassins aren't supposed to get caught though, and there aren't many legends about them either

>>140969215
Cause they don't know where the summoner's house is ?

>>140969215
Are you actually retarded or just baiting?

>>140969215
Every Assassin thus far is either controlled by a retard or by Zouken.

And considering that Zouken's entire plan hinges on Sakura being too cute to kill in a war where innocents are frequently massacred for arbitrary reasons, I'm not too impressed with his planning skills either.

>>140969318
I think everyone knows Takeuchi is shit, and that "God Hand" Koyama is the better TM artist

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>>140969038
>A genderflipped Waver?
You called?
also, nobody seems to remember poor Hiasu so in other timelines of this bulshitverse she is still probably getting gangraped by sandnigers and soldiers

>>140969232
>Have you read the VN?
Yeah, why? Can you quote me making a mistake about the VN or are you just pretending that you know better for no good reason?

>Assassins in life usually didn't assassinate a mage, let alone a mage who's prepared for them
You know this how? Assassins in the fictional nasuverse live in a world where people knew magic, so why didn't they assassinate mages? This right here is you making shit up.

>Sorry kettle, I apologize for being black.
Right. What exactly did I get wrong?

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>>140953494
The neat thing is every servant has the potential to win if used properly. It's just a fact that the masters are retarded and the war is rigged.

>>140969323
So find the house? Nigga is an assassin if he can't do investigation skills he's shit at his job. Doesn't even need to fight a servant since he can just go for the master but every fight in Fate has him show himself like a retard and get overpowered.

>>140969410
>Yeah, why?

Because you're talking about Hassan i-Sabbah being alive during the Age of the Gods, Hundred Face Hassan having lived a hundred generations, "starving out" someone in a conflict that by design can't last more than a little past two weeks and overall showing yourself to be an absolute inbred shithead.

>>140969267
That was my mistake. The original post I was responding to was referring to assassin class in general. I stand by what I said, it makes perfect sense that if you're a world class assassin and you live in a world where magical barriers exist then you probably know how to infiltrate one.

>>140969502
That's some reading comprehension there. I'm not the guy that said starving people out is a good tactic.

>>140969429
if the war is rigged in the lolis favor why give her a servant that can't even use any abilities and not a saber which is the "best" there is?

>>140969397
Everyone knows Koyama is better. I'd still say Koyama isn't all that good, but whatever.

>>140969562
I think he's pretty decent since Mahoyo and on, but that's just me

>>140969322
I'm being just as literal minded as you dumbass(only unlike you, I did it on purpose, to prove a point). Dragon poison was just a silly example.

>>140969553
They didn't trust Saber after FZ so they chose Berserker since he would be a war machine who wouldn't complain