Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

>>140847763
I sure didn't wish for stretched OPs

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>>140847763
Posting best girls.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg

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>>140847884

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>another thread
What is this casualty conductor shit

are stuck on a loop or some shit?

Gretel is lying naked on the porch in a patch of sunlight, listening to songbirds and the dulcet sounds of someone using an angle grinder next door and a couple of A-10s flying overhead.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>140848095
The endless ride continues friend. It will only end if the thread dies before the bump limit, and no one resurrects it. Until that day, we ride.

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>>140847884

Meiya is the best girl.

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>>140848233
my nigger

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>>140848171
Warsaw Pact best Pact

>>140848095
WE ARE STUCK IN AN ENDLESS RECURSION OF TIME

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>>140848271

She makes my heart go doki doki.

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>>140848285

Now I just want to play Red Dragon.

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>>140847884
posting

>>140848285
my comrade

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>>140848357
Do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unrtTjTujgM

>>140848365
you can have your boys i am not gay.

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>>140847884
So would Beatrix moan in her sweet, high pitched girlish voice or her husky, deeper voice when you stick it in?

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>>140848417

>>140848543
The good old days of Katya bulling

>>140848471
she would probably troll you at first but when she is close to climax she would start screaming with high pitched girl voice.

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>>140848411

Soon. I am awful at it.

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>>140848605
git
gud

But don't feel bad AI cheats

>>140848471
Which is her "true" voice, because that would be the one she'd use when most vulnerable in front of her lover.

>>140848644

If I play again I'll play EB.

I still don't understand why he threw all those things into a Tunguska.

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>>140847287

Later that morning, you're sitting around the Christmas Tree with Lise's parents. Mr. Hohenstein is pretty pleased with the antique Prussian solid gold fountain pen you and Lise got for him, which in the name of due dilligence, you already examined carefully to make sure that it really was in fact just a pen and nothing more.

"This is amazing! where did you ever find it?"

You and Lise look at one another and giggle.

"We just sort of came across it one day."

You're pretty confident that Mr. Hohenstein isn't going to be seen in public with a fountain pen of all things, and thankfully, the only other person who would recognize that pen no longer has eyes According to the news, he is set to get a face transplant, so at least things are turning out ok for him as well. Lise hands you a long, tube shaped package. You can't imagine what's inside of it, though you assume that she has a modicum of discretion that would prevent her from giving you anything too embarrassing, at least in front of her parents, You tear an end off the wrapping paper, and slide out a pair of rods with a piece of cloth wrapped around them. It appears to be a Japanese wall scroll.

"Oh, no. You didn't."

"I did. I got it for free at one of the events for performing."

You bite your lower lip. You've always wanted one of these, but you missed the release and couldn't justify paying auction house prices. You unwrap the scroll, and unroll it. It's glorious. Obviously, it can't compete with the genuine article, but it still has a beauty all of it's own. Lise grins.

"I thought you'd like it, you can put it with that figure."

Her parent's look up, "Figure? What's a figure?"

"Don't worry about it. I'll explain it later."

You aren't sure if the new running outfit you have waiting for her in another wrapped box can really compete with what she just gave you, but it's OK, because it's not a competition. With the pants you picked out for her, it's really going to be a gift for you, too.

>>140848782
Go for Czechs

>>140848943
>"I did. I got it for free at one of the events for performing."
The rewards of cosplay are great indeed

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>>140848943

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ttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4

But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g

>>140849351

Final Cut is the best Pink Floyd album.

I know I'm going to get crucified for that.

>>140849333
>>140849380
>>140849427
>>140849474
>>140849517

Yui is cute, but dumping pics is useless.

>>140849446
Not by me at least

I don't think that is the best album, but is underrated as fuck

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>looking up random shit
>find article on some Alt WWII anime/mobage
>has an evil SS gril with red eyes, black hair, and lipstick
>her last name is Strachwitz

This is too much to be coincidence, right?

What if Katia and Beatrix share an ancestor?

>>140849539
>expecting comon sense from a yuifag

>>140849595
I guess we now know what Beatrix's great grandmother looked like.

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Type-00 Takemikazuchi is the best TSF there is, no substitutions, arguments, or debates.

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>>140849351
Puhdys is damn good i cant believe /a/ introduced me to some actually good

>>140849539
It's a TEfag trying to kill SM discussion. This isn't the first time he's done it, won't be the last.

>>140849555

It seems as though many fans dismiss it outright. I need to stop bringing up off topic things in Muv Luv threads. Apologies.

>>140847878

This is the correct course of action.

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>>140847945

We /USN/.

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Yui is a miracle of the universe and my precious waifu.

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Everyone wants Yui

>>140849967
>It's a TEfag trying to kill SM discussion

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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>>140849727

You mean her mother? She was born in like, 1960.

Cute Nazi girl keeps her mouth shut and marries Stasi guy to throw off suspicion? It's more likely than you'd think.

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Yuuko a shit.

>>140850367
Assuming her mom had her when she was 20, then her grandmother would be the one rocking the SS uniform.

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>>140850440

>>140850495

Why would you assume that?

How degenerate am I if I fapped to sumika being pounded by BETA?

forever waiting for the steam BETA

>>140848095
another loop
another month without the kikestarter producing results

>>140850495
>grandmother would be the one rocking the SS uniform.
>SS

No girls allowed.

>>140850850
you are pretty degenerate if you fapped to worst girl

>>140849837
Puhdys a best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R11qqAmiptg
>>140850034
There is a yuifag spamming pics, don't worry for off topic
>>140850192
>nuclear task force never
;_;

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>>140851167
But I fapped to best girl too.

>>140850511
>Takeru
>Saying someone else us stupid

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>>140848095
Don't worry, we will soon reach the alternative and be vanished and then repeat

>>140851191
>nuclear task force never

>mfw all six Iowas will never combine to hammer the BETA with a rain of W23 shells.

>>140851257
>hand holding

3lewd

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>>140849351
My watersbrother!

>>140849837
SM threads were really good in this regard, yes. Besides Puhdys, I got this mercenary Hind book, and will play New Order when it finally downloads(50 Gb, jesus fuck, id, what the hell were you guys thinking).

And I spammed you lot with Deutschland`83 with decent results.

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>>140851157
Well, Mabu-Rabu is:
a) Alternate history even before BATERS attacked
b) supposed to be more equal between genders

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>>140851345
Long time no see

>>140851345
Schweppenstette did nothing wrong!

>>140851356
>>140849595
If her rank epaulets are correct, she'd be a General.

I wonder if we'll be getting any more Beatrix knockoffs now that the anime and VN are out.

>>140851438
>delibearly leaving out the part of the Able Archer report that stated that a first strike form HATO was out of the question

nigga please

>>140851356
>>140849595
She can't be Beatrix's grandmother considering the hero kills her.

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>>140851568
Best girls never get the love they deserve.

>tfw she just wanted to cleanse the Jews from her homeland

>>140848943
>I got you a wallpaper scroll of myself

She's getting pretty cocky.

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>>140851740
She knows what he likes.

>>140851533
As if trying to bring about the deluge of fire is a bad thing.

>>140851964
Holding information that could start a nuclear war

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>>140851384
I`m always lurking.

With a boomboox at the ready.

>>140851964

It is usually considered to be, yes.

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Still waiting for Exra key and it's the end of April.

>>140853262
but he broke the computer. he fucked up its cooling systems.

>>140853262
fucking kikestarter

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>>140853297
Looks like its still working to me.

>>140853389
It seems to be chalk full of shit.

STRIKE FRONTIER WHEN

>>140853862

REMOVE SUMIKA!

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>>140853957

STRIKE FRONTIER NEVER!

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Cryska, Inia and Yui are my waifus.

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Everyone wants Yui

>>140854539
Besides the one she wants.

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>>140854487
>more than one

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Fucking kill me, I want to re-read Extra already. Where are those beta keys?

>>140854856
Oh fuck off and torrent it.

>Bu-but muh piracy!

use it as a temporary solution, erase it when you get your key and shut the fuck up already.

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Why did East Germany build T-64's when they could have built almost 3 T-62's for the price of one T-64?

The T-64 was also more expensive to maintain and field then the T-62 and it is questionable if the 125mm has significantly more power then the 115 that it would justify the cost so why?

>>140855568
>pretending though was put into the series
Stop right there

>>140855044
you seem mad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaxCLSclB74

@0:47

My fucking sides.

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>>140855623
What are you talking about? They certianly must have a reason for it. Why else would they make 3D models of T-64BV?

Is it because it looks cool?

>>140855840
...yeah?

>>140855810
No one here understands what you are talking about

>>140855883
The animation.

>>140855926
That does look pretty terrible honestly.

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>>140855874
Why would they do that? Are they not putting their heart and minds into it and try to envision they are the commander of the NVA and has to form it to be effective against the BETA?

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>>140852064
To blast some Puhdys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VgpSQdlAoU
>>140855817
We must protect that smile

>>140856083
They try but they're too stupid.

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>>140856083
The NVA never had the T-64
No BMP-1/2, BTR's, Shilkas T-55 or T-72 on the series

Animators where lazy

>>140855568
Cause it's better? or it has capabilities that make it better at something else.

By your logic, in real life, why did the US build a bunch of F-15s when they could've had 2 A-10s for the price? A F-15E Strike Eagle goes/went for 36 million a piece, an A-10 is 20 million last I checked. And that is without getting into specialized equipment for the exact same planes, the Silent Eagle version of the F-15 goes for 105 million a piece.

The answer is that the F-15 is better. the A-10 is a plane suited for a very specific role while the F-15 can be adapted to a multitude of different situations and still be a perfectly good ground-attack aircraft.

So if it bothers you that much, assume that it's better. Even if it isn't.

>>140851066
>>140856232
Lesser Russian's equipement kek.

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>>140855810

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>>140856586
Quite the contrary, the NVA was the only Warsaw Pact force that didn't received downgraded equipment Everything was in the same level with the Red Army

>>140856320
>F-15 with lolstealth
>somehow better than A-10 in ground attack role

What are you smoking, I want some too.

>>140856631
he's a selfish prick and blames everyone else for his problems.

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Is he going to die?

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What a cunt.

>>140856655
Wasn't it because they were even better collaborator and boot licking than anyone else in the Warsaw Pact?

>>140857099
she was adorable here.

>>140857108
There is noting more fanatic than a convert

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>>140856320
>So if it bothers you that much, assume that it's better. Even if it isn't.
That's the problem.

The advantages the T-64BV have over the T-72 obr 1972 are mostly lost.

The low profile. the laminate armor is completely useless due to the BETA not using any conventional weaponry and the laser class being able to destroy the vehicle regardless of the armor.

The mobility advantage is mostly rendered moot due to the fact that the tanks are in most cases used in dug in position and rarely used in offensive maneuver warfare. They also fire while being stationary so the stabiliser difference is rarely relevent and also the that the BETA are more then barn sized targets so that even a lousy T-34/85 obr 1969 has a good chance to hit a BETA.

Both the 125mm and 115 can destroy targets beyond their effective aimed range and both are of limited use on the frontal arch of a Destroyer-class. Even the T-64's small advantage in that the commander has a remote HMG that he can operate inside the vehicle is gone because not a single T-64 was seen with a NSVT.


With all that said the T-64 is more expensive to produce, costly to operate and strains the logistic due to having more weight and complex parts to replace.

And your comparision with the F-15 and A-10 is lacking. One is a multirole plane while the other is a low and slow ground attacker.

The T-62 and T-64 are both main battle tanks and do the same job.

>>140857005
>>140857099
>Dissing on Tama & Tama-papa

Scum

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>>140857108

Also because the Soviets needed them to be able to hold their own as much add possible during the first week of world war three.

The weren't planned on still existing in week two.

>>140857162
I also forgot to add the ERA that the T-64BV have is completely uselss and make the vehicle weight 1.2 tons more.

>>140857240
I see the burgers are quire frightening when they want to be aren't they?

>>140857481
Burgers at this point in time would be fried to a crisp wholesale, along with the Europe and most inhabited parts of Russia.

>>140850319
Where can I get TE CG? Literally no links anywhere.

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>>140857481
>>140857865

This is even assuming a limited or absent nuclear exchange. The NVA and Bundeswehr were both intended to be meat for the grinder while the rest of the armies mobilized and deployed.

>>140859410
War in Central Europe is invariably world war, with full nuclear stack in play.
Besides, NVA wouldn`t be in it alone, oh no. Soviet strategic bombing force would certainly provide support, as well as fleet if it manages to break through.

At least fucking swedes get removed in any scenario.

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>>140859626
muh Strv 103

>>140859742
Muh Ka-50. Closest helicopters ever got to sexy.

REMOVE TANKS

>>140859853
STRONK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWzQOzkxRE

>>140859910
REKT indeed.

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>>140859626

Soviet fleet and strategic bombers are going to be a non-factor, at least for the first couple of days.

The big question on the naval front is whether or not the Backfires can engage and disable or destroy whichever Carrier Task Force is on station in the North Sea region. How this shakes out depends a lot on what triggered the conflict; if the USSR manged to achieve some level of strategic surprise and thus had a significant number of its bombers arrayed against one CTF, they could probably do it. Then the Soviet fleet can enter the equation.

Conversely, If the U.S. (and NATO) had more naval assets in the area, the bombers have an increasingly more difficult task. The odds that enough of the Backfires survive long enough to get off the number of missiles needed to overwhelm the Ticonderoga/Arleigh Burke Aegis vessels plummets and the Soviet surface fleet becomes a 'Fleet In Being' threat for the duration.

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>>140860464
>dat Soviet Naval Aviation vs. Carrier Task Force combat on Red Storm Rising

dick status:muh

>>140856695
I never said it was better, just that the F-15 is still a perfectly good ground attack plane, while adding more stuff to the mix.

>>140857162
>And your comparision with the F-15 and A-10 is lacking.
Point is the F-15 brings a lot more to the table than the A-10.

Once again, just assume it's better if it bothers you that much that your made-up robots with fighter jet names are being stupid.

Or even better, how about you realize it's not just about the BETA. Sure, they're the biggest threat in-setting, but people are building TSFs in-universe designed to fight other TSFs *cough*F22*cough* to cover your plot holes about "Muh Expenses"

>>140860464
>HATO cuckfleet wetdreams
>tasty carriers

22s are not even the main force, 95s with shittons of sea-skimmers are.
Subs will do the raping of what`s left.
Other subs will just be flattening cities.

And then there is the main wing of soviet strategic aviation, which doesn`t even care about tasty carriers, but only about flattening more cities.

>>140860606
>clancy
The only good thing that ever had any relationship with that hack was called "Rainbow Six until Iron Wrath". Fuck his corpse with a drill.

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>>140860606

Not gonna lie: part of me REALLY wishes we could have seen how that would have actually played out.

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Who /walmart/ here?!

And why can't I relieve my suffering by watching Gretel be a greeter?

>>140860464

Would it even be possible to be a "fleet in being" in the eighties? It seems like it would be too easy to destroy a fleet in port for that to be a major deterrent.

>>140860676
Perfectly good attack plane with less loiter and nonexistent armor, yes. With the amount of modern point defence AA on the battlefield muh gps bombs won`t even reach ground.

>>140860717
If we`re talking soviet fleet, prepare to eat a lot of Granit. Many of the fucking subs can level cities half the planet away right from pier too.

>>140860717

If they were based in Murmansk or something, it might be. You could ring the base in enough long-range SAM sites that it would be too costly to dig them out with a major war on.

>>140860776
>Many of the fucking subs can level cities half the planet away right from pier too.

So can the Ohio, if we're playing the nuke game.

>>140860691
Which faggot decided against F-14 for fucking F-18s? No loiter to speak of, far less ability to actually intercept something and it looks GAY AS FUCK. Well, most US planes do, but Hornet takes the golden dildo.

>>140856631
He sees himself as cursed. And only destined to fail, and die.

>>140860845
I wasn`t talking about specifically soviet subs in that context.
Plus it will be damn hard to catch all of the fleet in harbor.

Meiya a shit.
Chizuru best girl.
Extra best Muv Luv.
When is the steam release? I can't wait to see a new generation of first time chomp experiences.

>>140860681
>95s with shittons of sea-skimmers are.

They're an effective diversion, but they don't have the speed needed to make the intercept geometry work for anything other than soaking up interceptors.

>>140860904
ML without fucking is akin to a shark without teeth.

>>140860918
You underestimate the sheer amount of them. Plus they are guaranteed to come with completely crazy ECM, it`s their only defence aside from whatever fighters even have the range for escort.

>>140860854

I think the larger problem is that they retired the Phoenix without a replacement (or a modernization block). The ability of an 1986 F-14 to carry six missiles with ~200 km range is a big part of what makes a Tu-95 carrying Shipwrecks with ~625 km range a fairly minor threat.

>>140860894
>Plus it will be damn hard to catch all of the fleet in harbor.

The surface combatants that aren't in the harbor get to join the submarine service, though.

>>140860987

The whole production run was only ~500 aircraft, and the odds of getting all of them in one place without being noticed and precautions taken are... low.

>>140861307
>~200
In ideal conditions only. Remeber the insane ECM.
Still was a great missile, of course.

>surface combatants
Depends on the type of surface combatant. Big guys will certainly bite back, plus your first attack will trigger a total war anyway.

>~500 aircraft
But long range would allow soviets to commit a lot of 95s from very distant airfields. You don`t have to start from Murmansk only, crews from Engels and maybe even Ukraine can join in.

>>140861538
>You don`t have to start from Murmansk only, crews from Engels and maybe even Ukraine can join in

They need to be more-or-less synchronized for arrival, though; you can't give the interceptors a chance to even partially refuel and rearm. As easy as that might sound, one of the fundamental principals of war is that everything is FAR harder than it sounds.

When you add in the possible threat of ground-based interceptors against planes flying from as far south-east as Ukraine or Engels, the timing becomes a bit trickier.

>Depends on the type of surface combatant. Big guys will certainly bite back, plus your first attack will trigger a total war anyway.

And the situation, and what's in the neighborhood. The 'd-trackers' who were supposed to try and shadow the carrier groups only had one challenge after the war started, that being 'survive long enough to radio Moscow'.

The Kiev-class and Kirov-class would be tough cookies, but one would have to wonder whether or not Soviet High Command would put them in a position that would place them at a high probability of being lost when they were starting the war.

>In ideal conditions only. Remember the insane ECM.

Poor conditions cut both ways, though. Making a missile find its way to a target ~300 miles away on its own isn't exactly easy.

I'm also having trouble finding any information on the 95's ECM ability; I assume the would have added some at some point after the 1950 launch, but I'm not seeing much. Of course, ECM is pretty difficult to quanitize.

>Still was a great missile, of course.

It also seems somewhat unique - I'm not aware of any other deployed air-to-air missile in the same range bracket.

Apparently, there was some consideration given to a 'Sea Phoenix', which would have been a ship-launched version. If you gave it the sort of upgrades that resulted in the current ESSM, that could have come in handy.
>Still was a great missile, of course.

>>140862321
There are special naval ECM variants of 95 built specifically to escort bomber formations. Goddamn thing is so huge you can put a really powerful emitter inside to just hammer the airwaves, that`s why it will be hard for interceptors to work from long ranges. Ships will be trickier, since their radar energy output is of course much greater.

Phoenix has its spuritual successor in russian R-33/37 series, which was a sort of an answer to it in the first place. There is also talk about some new thing with completely crazy range specifically to target awacses from standoff called KS-172, but no concrete information on how far it really developed yet. Still, 400km ideal ranges, holy shit.

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I want to fist Katja until she's all stretched out then walk around town wearing her as a hat.

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What is Theo looking at?

>>140862786
I love Iris!

>>140862786
Iris cross

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>>140862811
So does Beatrix.

>>140862960
So much suffering could have been avoided if they just fucked.

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>>140862786
Perfection.

>>140848285
tfw your parents ran away from Poland during the communist era because muh statsi

>140862960

How would Theo fuck it up if he got into a three-way with those two?

>>140863341
>poland
>stasi

>>140863341
>>140863411
Don't you mean MBP?

>>140860676
>Or even better, how about you realize it's not just about the BETA
>not just about the BETA
>Lets build AFV perfect for conventional warfare but use them against the BETA 24/7 and have useless shit on them 24/7 that we could bolt on when we need to fight other humans.

Anon you have to understand economics and practical needs. There is no reason to build tanks, whom are lacking in BETA warfare and then try to talk about how they would be used against NATO when your very existance is important for NATO.

Then there is the whole "how many AFV can I field"

For the cost of building 100 T-64s I can build 300 T-62s. Meaning I can put 3 times as many tanks on the battlefield. It also means I can do manouver warfare and so on and be more aggresive since I have more tanks which allows me to do such things which otherwise woud be limited since I only have 100 tanks instead of 300.

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>>140863341

Do your parents have trouble with people crashing cars into their house? I mount know you.

>>140863642
If It is so important to have the T-64 because muh NATO then there is a very simple solution.

Forces near the westgerman border got T-64BV's.

Forces on the east facing the BETA got T-62's

>>140862632
>russian R-33/37 series

Well.

Once you've put inertial guidance on an air-to-air missile, you've done... something. It's more of a spastic cruise missile at that point, really.

That said, you've always got to take weapons figures with a grain of salt.

>>140863009
Iris is mine, back off

Serbposting time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kohsgr4kLdM

>>140847763
Nope. It was fine before aliens and robots.

>>140862632

An amusing tidbit on the bomber topic, from a Soviet Naval Aviator (MRA, I believe):

>A young second lieutenant, a backfire WSO fresh from the air college, asked the senior navigator of the regiment, an old major: “sir, tell me why we have a detailed flight plan to the target over the vast ocean, but only a rough dot-and-dash line across Hokkaido Island on way back?”

>"Son,” answered the major calmly, “if your crew manages to get the plane back out of the sky over the carrier by any means, on half a wing broken by a Phoenix and a screaming prayer, no matter whether it’s somewhere over Hokkaido or directly through the moon, it’ll be the greatest possible thing in your entire life!"

>finished watching Total Eclipse
>tfw no Cryska
>tfw you'll never see Shiranui 2nd Phase 3 animated

why live

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>>140862786
It's pretty clear that at time, given his expression, he'd love nothing more than to pierce her insides like he later does with Beatrix. He absolutely hates her when SM starts.

>>140859626
I see you guys are going back on forth on Sovietwank and the uberleet Soviet missiles and I'd hate to interrupt, but both sides didn't say to activate all nuclear weapons in full scale war in Europe, especially in the latter stages of the Cold War. By constast, weapon types like tactical nuclear weapons even were heavily restricted.

Also, Sweden doesn't necessarily automatically die. Now what follows is scuttlebutt I've heard from certain people combined with analysis and leaks of foreign policy stuff, but Sweden and Finland aren't actually neutral. Well in the modern day, they are more now. But during the CW, Sweden and Finland (or at least certainly the former) would join NATO, since the war would open on their fronts anyways, and we all agreed and anticipated that the Soviets would either demand subservience or war when that time came, and for sure try to seize Gotland. With Gotland, the balance of power in the Baltic Sea shifts drastically. Little did we know, but Soviet doctrine likewise called for an invasion of Sweden and Finland.

The reason it wasn't public is because Sweden and Finland's relations to each other, and to the wider world, and their publics at the time. But rest assured, Sweden is and has designed their stuff for interoperability with NATO, and they only ever practiced thwarting the Soviets.

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>>140868060
Her autism was bretty cute.

>>140868215
>Sovietwank and the uberleet Soviet missiles

They aren't actually (and never were) nearly as good as a lot of people seem to think, but if I said that I'd get lynched.

>>140868395
Maybe, but they had an insane numbers of them

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>>140868346
>>140868060
Cryska is cute.

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>>140868215

Too bad Sweden today is so cucked they won't even properly depth charge a Soviet sub the catch on the Fucking suburbs of Stockholm.

Unless they did and said they didn't to appease the traitors running their country. Swedish military might be smart enough to do that.

>>140868482

Every Tomcat could kill six bombers, and each bomber was unlikely to be carrying more than one missile. Add in the fact that finding the carrier group and the carrier itself is a lot harder than usually assumed.

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>>140868530

I guess I meant Russian and not Soviet. As if there's a practical difference.

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>>140868395
Don't we all know it. I was a lurker at a really huge military site that unfortunately had to close recently. God knows how many times I've seen the same fucking arguments and denials and bullshit from SovietSTRONK!!11! and RussiaSTRONK!1!!! crew. Oh God, it became insane when the Crimean mess started.

I've become convinced that Russians live in an entirely different reality from us.

At least I had one kekkle in their exchange. A guy talking about there being talk about their next series of super missiles. If I had a penny for every "statement" or "fact" that was uttered by these people who go on the mic and spread this bullshit, I'd be a rich man indeed.

Russians are masters of spreading bullshit to make themselves look tougher than they really are, though the Chicoms are rapidly catching up in the bullshit-o-meter scale.

It makes you wonder, if all their shit was so great, how did they lose the Cold War (or indeed, any war)?

>>140868530
>Too bad Sweden today is so cucked

They need to re-Vikingize, and also remove kebab.

Nice general.

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>140868215
Theo sure is a gurofag.

>>140868786
>Chicoms are rapidly catching up in the bullshit-o-meter scale

The Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles are probably less of a threat than usually assumed to be, because there are a lot of fundamental problems with guidance on a re-entry vehicle and because the Standard 3 Block IIA is fully capable of engaging orbital and suborbital targets.

On the other hand, there are a lot of scenarios where they could use land-based sea skimmers, which removes the window of opportunity to kill the bombers.

>>140868584
Numbers are reality most of the times don't correspond to each other

>>140868786
>or indeed, any war
bait/10

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>>140868530
From what I hear of our mil people who interact with Swedes, there is still hope. A faint glimmer, but there is still hope.

>>140868482
You have no idea about how naval warfare, or even air warfare is conducted, do you?

Numbers don't mean anything, when it's interception system's warheads are cheaper than your missiles, it's radar far superior to anything available in your arsenal, and there being a lot of them.

Or forgetting the massive superiority of American CAP. Forget ALL of that!

How the hell do you think you're gonna find the fleet anyways?

I'll give you a small hint. Soviet naval strategy was only ever focused on denial (for as long as they could anyways) against American, and the wider NATO fleet. They never, ever seriously enviosoned their navy could attempt to take even one CBG in a head to head battle. Their attempts to procude even one equivalent of a carrier battle group was too high for the Soviet economy and still keeping to their other commitments, even at it's height.

By the end of the CW, Soviet command didn't think their navy would last very long. They figured even the army would lose eventually, it's gains reversed. Why do you think they invested so heavily in a missile force? Why do you think even with the collapse of the USSR, the nuclear missiles still got the top priority? It's because the Soviets would lose and they knew it. Even now, Putin and company still knows it. Hence why you see threats of nuclear retaliation if their neighbors so much as sneeze. It's their only card they truly have left, and they fucking know it.

I'd put more money on the Chinese conventional warfare capabilities at this point than Russian. I'm not saying Russians are pathetic African-tier military now. But in a sense, they never were what our popular imagination led us to think.

>>140869555
Oscar II eat CTF for breakfast

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>>140868484
What about Inia?

>>140869121
>Numbers are reality most of the times don't correspond to each other

The same could be said about the functionality of the soviet missiles.

>>140869555
>But in a sense, they never were what our popular imagination led us to think.

This is a pretty good observation.

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>>140869680
Would take Inia home to cuddle and take care of.

>>140869680
>>140869860
She can have all my babies

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>>140863666
I want to save her from her twisted life.

>>140870275
Ketchup happened

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>140847763

Why so wide?

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>>140863666
>>140870275
Who was her buddy here then?

>>140870751
The one who molested Pham in the LN.

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>>140870845
Lead Belly you mean?

Alas, if only she groped Pham's phams more...

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>>140870275

Only one way to do that...

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>>140871207
Same hair cut, gotta be.

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>>140848943

As you go through the morning, you eventually realize that Lise is doing her 'I don't want to be thrown away again' clingy routine where she tries to stay in constant physical contact with you at times. Well, fine. You choose to just let it slide, though it does make it more difficult to get up and get presents, and it is a little bit awkward considering her parents happen to be in the same room as you at the time. Still, you get it. This can be another Christmas present. After the presents are opened, and you have a belly full of homemade pastries and eggnog and scotch, you drift off to sleep on the couch, with your arm wrapped around the tiny girl. The scene is almost perfect, when you turn on the television and switch it to the golf channel, which is showing a charity tournament that is taking place in New Zealand. Now, you're really ready to nap. Around noon, Beatrix and Jurgen arrive with the baby. Everyone is supposed to meet at about one, but they had to bring over some of the things Mrs. Hohenstein baked that she couldn't carry on foot, and some extra chairs so everyone has a place to sit down. Eventually, The three of them are dozing along side you on the couch, with Beatrix's hand squeezing Lise's.

Mr. Hohenstein is sitting at the table tapping away at his laptop, doing some last minute revisions to a story that he'd like to have out the door by new year's. Walther and Slywia, then Inghild, the baby and Marco, each arrive, with Walther and Marco heading out to get the barbecue started. There are too many dishes being brought into the house right now, and many of them need to be kept warm until dinner, so that instead of cooking the roast in the oven, it's being made in on the barbecue. The grill has been lifted up and removed entirely, and the roast is stitting in a deep pan, surrounded by the coals and chunks of applewood that are succeeding in giving it a smokey, hardy flavor.

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>>140872049
/ck/ in the house

>>140872166
I love how healinganon sounds more convincing than some fucks in /ck/.

>>140872878

REMOVE COMMUNIST!

>>140872049

You stir awake as Pham and Farka enter the house, followed by Iris and Theo. Theo has his arm around Iris as he helps her through the door. She looks like she tore something. You think for a moment, and realize that she probably did, and it wasn't a muscle. Theo helps Iris into a folding chair, then takes a glance around the room. He looks aghast and confused when he sees Lise and Beatrix napping on top of each other, holding hands. There are some gears turning in his head, but it's obvious they're missing some teeth. You decide to head off any potential problems before they start.

"Merry Christmas, Theo."

"Hello."

You use your free hand to motion to the two girls.

"I don't want to talk about this kind of stuff on Christmas, so I'll keep it quick. They're actually best friends. It's OK. When Beatrix recruited Lise into the Werewolves, it was more like she rescued her from a lot of people who were a lot worse."

"How do you know this?"

"I read about it on the internet."

Theo looks flustered. He's only been here a day, and he still doesn't know what most things are, The internet, cell phones, credit cards, or why every store has a sticker with a lowercase 'F' on the door.

"The Internet?"

"It's a place on the computer with an endless supply of cat videos, gossip, and fetish porn."

"How would that teach you anything about the world I came from?"

"Well, it has everything else on it, too. Do you want me to show you the internet?"

You switch the input on the television from cable to the media center PC you keep in the living room, then bring up an internet browser. Wireless keyboard in your lap, you show Theo all the important parts of the internet. At least, all the important parts of the internet you can show him with small children and your Fiance's parents in the room. For someone whose closest encounter with the internet is redacted newspaper microfilms, it's like a whole new world.

>>140873576
>it's like a whole new world.

Theo 133t haxor when?

>>140873576
Knowledge is power healanon, and Theo with power is a dangerous combination.

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>>140873678
>dangerous combination

So a high-capacity aircraft and petroleum incendiaries, and that ended pretty well.

What's your point?

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>>140873559
No

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>>140873819

When wILL they release the VN?

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>>140873872
n-no

>>140873965
soon

>>140873576

Theo pulls up a folding chair next you your end of the couch, and you start showing him highlights of the internet. eventually, you decide to show him the video where Lise and Beatrix pretend to be themselves, and shoot an old Type 38 Arisaka at BETA posters in a rock quarry.

"What the heck? What language are they speaking?"

"Japanese."

"What? Why would they make a video in Japanese?"

Theo is comfortably in murmuring range, and while Lise is slumped on your shoulder, she hasn't stirred this entire time. You quietly explain how everything about his world was known in this one through a fictional series, and how his sister wanted to see him again so badly, she'd built this entire brand of cosplay, carefully studying her audience, figuring out how to maximize her impact, and eventually getting able to meet the creators. You tell Theo how his own death had never been resolved, and how, without knowing how he died, it would be impossible to allow him to cross over to this world, and that her only objective in doing all of this was to see her brother again. You tell him about how her original plan was to simply commit suicide in the hopes she was able to meet him again, how Beatrix made sure she couldn't, and how everyone encouraged this and cooperated with her because it was the only constructive outlet for her crippling loneliness. You touch on the fact that she did all of this with only the goal of seeing her beloved brother again, and then casually mention that the first thing he did after almost a year and a half of hard work on her part was to immediately snub her in favor of another woman. That even if there wasn't any romantic attraction, that this sort of thing hurts, because she misses her brother so much. Theo is pretty dense, but by the end of it, you're pretty sure he's got the picture. His forehead is resting in his hands, his elbows on his knees.

"I'm a terrible brother, aren't I?"

"The important thing is you admit you have a problem."

>>140873965

Never,

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>>140874022

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>>140874154
Surprising how much this story ended up paralleling what happened before.

>>140874154

You gently push Lise into Beatrix, so they're napping propped up against one another, and you take Theo outside. You reach into a cooler and hand him a beer, before getting one for yourself. Instead of ice, the cooler is full of snow from the lawn outside. The mood is awkward, to say the least. You speak first.

"Thanks."

Theo looks confused.

"To be honest, if you had come into this world all gung-ho on Lise, my relationship would have fallen apart by now. So, it's fine with me if that's not what you're after. In fact, it's better for me. A lot better for me. But... don't forget about her. She did do all that work, just for you. Remember, after all is said and done, you're her brother. That's all you need to be."

Theo nods, sipping on his beer. It must taste funny, because after his first sip he scrutinizes the label, giving it a sour look.

"What is this?"

"It's an India Pale Ale."

"It's a little bit strong..."

"It's Pham's favorite. Take small sips and try to savor the aroma."

Actually, that's true. Pham has always enjoyed things with floral notes, and managed to appreciate the sweet side of things that other people just find too bitter to give a chance. Theo looks at the beer, and takes another sip, trying to force himself to appreciate it. You return to the task at hand, getting him to adapt to this new world.

"Also, I know you were never on the best of terms with Beatrix, but it's important that you try to give her a second chance. She's basically a totally different person here than who you thought she was in the bad old days. Also, she's married to Iris' brother, and her two best friends are Iris and Lise, so you are basically going to have to get along with her if you want to be close to any of the people you love. Your parent's are treating her baby as their own grandchild, and helping it raise it as one of their own. So, if you remember nothing else from today, just remember, Beatrix Bernhard is your friend now."

>>140868674
ALL OF THEM!

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>>140848943

>>140869680
fuck that teddy bear

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>>140874859
>Theo being told that Beatrix is essentially part of the family now
That little bit is probably going to be harder to swallow than most.

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>>140875340
Funny thing is, if he had been a Werewolf instead of in the 666th he would have been just as infatuated with Bea as he was Iris. Such is the cruel twists of fate.

>>140874859

"You don't seem to trust me."

"Sorry, I don't. When Lise saw Walther and Sylvia, she had a panic attack and crawled out a window, trying to run away from them in only her pyjamas and stocking feet. When she saw Pham, she was crying because she felt so bad. When you saw Beatrix, I wasn't so sure that you weren't going to stab her again. Neither was she, that's why she left so abruptly."

Theo looks down at his beer. You can't tell if he feels bad or not. After all, everything you know about this man has him painted as a monster. A monster whose downfall should no doubt be looked upon with understanding and sympathy, but a monster all the same. Even now, you have Schmidt's Walther Model 9 in a special holster in your front pocket, because getting stabbed sucks.

"I don't remember how I died."

Theo addresses you, seemingly out of nowhere.

"I managed to stay alive for a while, fighting for what I thought was right, but when I died, I was blind drunk. I don't even remember dying. I wouldn't have even known if Pham hadn't told me."

"You mean the fact that she was even here didn't tell you?"

"No, I saw her in my dreams all the time. I saw them all in my dreams."

He stares into his drink. You finish your own beer, and grab another one. Before you take a sip, you hold it out towards him.

"A toast... to friendship."

"...To friendship."

For the first time since you've seen him, Theo smiles. The smell of roasting meat wafts through the air, when Lise pokes her head through the door.

"Come on in, it's time to exchange presents. Also, get me a beer."

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>>140848233
She is honestly the reason I never finished muv luv alternative. Her getting shafted so hard for that idiot sumika was too much.

Two fucking games of getting to be with best girl just thrown out the window.

It's a shame because I was pretty interested in the world and story.

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>>140875641
>"I managed to stay alive for a while, fighting for what I thought was right, but when I died, I was blind drunk. I don't even remember dying."
That was also probably Lise, you idiot. She made sure you died without pain.

Seriously, does this guy really not grasp the sheer depth of how much his imouto loves her onii-chan?

>>140875641
Is Katia kill?

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>Gretel will never confess to you

kill me

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>>140876071
MC denseness crosses dimensions

>>140876513
If Lise still thinks she's cute, probably.

>>140875641

You head back inside. Between the Christmas tree and the fourteen people (including the two babies) in the room, things are rather cozy. You're back on the couch, with Lise on your lap, drinking her beer. You eventually begin the process of handing out presents to everyone and watching them open them one by one. It's pretty fun to see what everyone thought the other people they love would want in their lives, Eventually, you get to the part where Theo is given a gift from his family. It's a fairly basic smartphone, and they already set it up for him in the store.

"This way everyone can get a hold of you."

"What... I mean... What is this thing?"

You chime in, "It's basically every electronic device you could ever possibly imagine. Except radar."

Mrs. Hohenstein calls him on her own phone, and her husband shows her son how to answer the call. Lise takes a picture of the scene, and sends it to him.

"It says I have a message. What's a message?"

His father shows him how to open the messaging application and enlarge the picture. Theo realizes that the picture was taken only a moment ago, and looks confused.

"We don't actually use film anymore, so there's nothing to develop."

"I... This could be used to spy on people."

"It is used to spy on people. but it's not a problem because there is so much information being put out there that parsing it is going to be an impossible task. And the people who would be spying on you are way too busy staring at the fourteen year old titties that get sent over these messages to ever care about anything you upload."

You're greeted with a room full of blank stares. Theo answers, "That's not reassuring at all."

"It's not meant to be. It's just the truth. Take from it what you will. But expect to get lots of pictures of food, flowers, and baby animals."

Theo stares at the phone in his hands, not sure of what to think.

"Also, you can look at the internet on that thing."

He looks up, "I can?"

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>>140876624

Welcome to Walmart

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>>140874154
>I'm a terrible brother, aren't I?

Yes, Theo. You're absolute shit, but I'm fucking your adopted Stasimouto, so I'm willing to overlook that

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>>140877122
>"I... This could be used to spy on people."
>"Also, you can look at the internet on that thing."
>He looks up, "I can?"

I have some concerns.

>>140877378
Lise doujins! Lise doujins!

>>140877461

>Hey anon, people keep sending me links telling me it's important research material, but when I click them, all I see is a sad panda.
>Uh... that sounds like a question for Jurgen.

>>140877122

With all the presents opened, It's time for Christmas dinner. Everyone helps to load the kitchen table with all of the food they have brought, but before you start loading your plate, Iris has you form a circle holding hands in the living room for a short prayer. You spare a moment for friends lost, give thanks for friends found, and also the delicious food you can smell on the table. Then, Walther carves the Christmas roast, and everybody forms a line, loading their plates. You try to get a little bit of everything. It's hard not to overfill your plate, and you settle with a couple bites of everything. By the time you make it around the table, however, your plate is completely overloaded. You sit back down on the cough, and tuck into the meal. By this point, everybody is laughing and joking again, even Theo, who took it upon himself to cycle through the line twice, bringing Iris her plate. She managed to stand for Grace, but other hther than that, she has not gotten out of her chair the entire time she's been here. Lise turns to you and smirks, whispering "I bet she's having trouble walking. The first time is always hard."

You try not to spit out the mouthful of pork you were chewing, and instead swallow hard. You look over at her, but she's returned to her own plate, pretending that nothing happened. You finish your meal, and eventually, everyone leaves. You were eating on paper plates, so clean up is relatively easy. You get ready to turn in. You and Lise have a quick shower, with no soap, just to rinse the day off. As the stress and uncertainty of the day runs down the drain with the steaming water, Lise wraps you in a loving embrace.

"I heard all the things you told him on the couch."

She puts a light kiss on your chest, and looks up at you.

"I could never have told him all that myself. I'm glad you did it for me."

She smiles happily. It's the sort of unburdened, joyous smile you've become addicted to.

"I think you deserve a reward tonight."

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>>140878192
>I'm glad you did it for me.

>>140878192
>first time is always hard

Well if she's chirpy enough to laugh at her funhaus times I guess we're okay.

I wonder if the Elevens are following healanon's writings. Wonder what they think about it?

Then again, they're probably just too busy shitposting furiously to care.

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>>140878418
>I always wanted to give my first time to my brother, but I was gang-raped instead.
>I bet she's having trouble walking, the first time is always hard lol

Well they do say comedy is tragedy plus time.

>>140878723
>>140878418

Well, joking about something is probably the easiest way to own an experience, rather than letting that experience own you.

Also it's possible she wasn't referring to her own experience specifically.

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>>140878812
Speaking of her own experience I wonder how the second VN will handle her backstory. Especially since they're going for all ages, I hope they don't water it down or downright exclude parts like the anime. It doesn't all need to be explicitly shown but at least understood.

>>140879186
>all ages


Uwaaahhhhhhh¿!!?

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>>140879215
https://vndb.org/v14910
As far as I know. I mean they still show this repeatedly so its still pretty fucking dark but I'm curious just how morbid they're willing or able to take it.

>>140879316
That's R15

>>140879316
>>140879399

Don't you know? It's OK to watch a girl get violently dismembered by an alien monster, but watching her make love to the boy she's dreamed about for her entire life is obscene!

>>140875872
take comfort that it took takeru countless number of loops b4 he picked shit.

>>140879215
gore is OK for elevens. if there was a kissu in it it would be 17+.

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>>140875872
i think I stopped playing alternative for a day or so during pic related

>>140880297
sumika was a mistake.

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>>140880355
If they were trying to make the readers feel shit then they did it right i suppose

>>140880394
I'm between upset and impressed how god they are at making us feel like this.

>>140881401
*good

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>>140873576
>She looks like she tore something. You think for a moment, and realize that she probably did, and it wasn't a muscle

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>>140874859
>Pham loves IPAs
>Pham has always enjoyed things with floral notes, and managed to appreciate the sweet side of things that other people just find too bitter to give a chance

Why am I getting feels over a beer choice?

;_;

I'm just a wee bit upset over lack of Pham in general, but maybe I can write my own sometime.

>>140875340
Well, Beatrix's destiny was always going to intertwine with his. That's the simple matter of it.

>>140875596
Well it IS a parallel for sure. He's later disgusted and yet infatuated by her, kind of like how he felt about Iris until he started learning some of her side of the story.

>>140876071
>>140876661
Don't worry, Suffering Theo sees all, hears all.

No matter how much he begs for forgiveness, it will never come.

>>140876624
Taken bub, you knew that when you signed on the dotted line.

>>140881799
>cum inside Pham
>it ain't me starts playing

I want to XXX Lise

>>140864766
It`s just your typical SARH, Phoenix was exactly the same.
I guess it`s mainly for weight/cost considerations. 31/14 have powerful radars, so it makes sence it will provide guidance until missile gets close enough to use its own radar.

>>140868786
Change "russians" for "burgers" please, thanks.

And it`s not bad at all to live separately from rapefugee-importing kikes.

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HAHAHAHA

>>140868530
>believing swea scum
Especially when it turns out it wasn`t even a russian sub.
If there was anything at all.

Bow down to your squat overlords. We do it ATG!

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>>140881401
at least she got pregnant in one of the verses loop and took care of her daughter

also we might be get an end for her in TDA

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>>140882856
Monsieur Frenchfag, just because DeGaulle and the Frogs wanted to suck Russian cock just so they didn't have to sully themselves with 'dirty Anglos' doesn't mean we all want to.

It's okay to grow up past your romantic nostalgia and idealism.

>>140883735
>implying old bastard wanted to suck any cock

He was their last real politician and shat on burgers good.

>>140883735
Still mad that we didn't wanted any 'murica occupation in our country?

>>140883932
Want*

>>140883735
>Franco-Canadian cuisine
they turn cannibals

why?

>>140884289
Beause burgers are inedible in human form too.

>>140884289
because their fault for not making allies with the superior jap and american alliance and they have to full revenge hobo

well it doesnt matter since they retreat surrendered in the end anyway

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Best TSF

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Best army

>>140885919
>>140885946
Literally a gay pride slutwalk.

>>140885974
>only the top,down and the red one only matters

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Will we ever get TSF designs for lesser planes that different countries would field? I mean if Japan gets super speshul TSFs that they have no irl equivalent of, surely it wouldn't hurt to do other designs around? I know the Cheetah for example, would look like a heavily modified Mirage TSF, but that is okay. Hell, the J-10 looks like an F-16 (which is correct, since the Joos sold their Lavi data to the PRC).

>>140877539
I legit laughed

Fuck you sadpanda

>>140884289
It is in their nature, anon.

>>140883798
>DeGaulle
>Last real politician

Oh God, you're serious, aren't you?

>>140885946
>>140885919
And then you too come along, and have shit taste. Look, you're in a Muv Luv thread, there is no reason further to prove your otaku credentials, okay?

Even in MLverse, where Kouki gave them plot armor out the ass, they are still shat on by everyone in universe, and deservedly so.

>>140887722
>they are still shat on by everyone in universe, and deservedly so.
It's undeservedly so, most of them are just jealous that Takemikazuchi is the strongest TSF made.

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New BD volume rip when? It was released yesterday.

I had a thought yesterday lads. What if the Anime was a shit adaptation on purpose and all those LN scenes that were cut out in the first VN were on purpose as well? I mean, there is no such thing as bad publicity, right? So they rile up the old fans and newcomers get a biased impression, so they get loud and keep discussing even long after the anime ends. Like we and the japs have. This creates false expectations, like the ones the japs had for Alternative back in '06, and so when Martyrs hits, they hit us with something that blows us all out.

>>140887722
Absolutely. Your buttmad is great though, please continue telling me how sucking off kikes is to your benefit.

>>140887820
>Universe is shit, everyone gets shit on.
>"It's muh jealousy!"

I don't even care about this pointless waifufagging for fake robots with fighter jet names, but I just want to point out to you in specific that this is just a sad excuse and I expect better of you people.

Unless you're 10 years old, in which case it's just the right amount of pettiness, naivete, and bullshit for your age, keep it up.

>>140887907
There is no point in creating expectation that your product will be a piece of shit. Reinforcement bias will only push away those who would have otherwise bought it.
Remember what happened to fucking Duke, for example.

>>140887986
The butthurt is strong with this one.

>>140888089
Not butthurt, just disappointment.

Like I said, I expect better. No mater whether you're being serious or trolling.

>>140888331
Based on your entire post you are just butthurt.

>>140888089
Indeed it is.

>>140887722
>Even in MLverse, where Kouki gave them plot armor out the ass, they are still shat on by everyone in universe, and deservedly so.

This is correct.

>>140885946

IRG is a shit, mate. Even with extreme levels of nepotism and plot armor, they still can't actually accomplish anything.

>>140887722
>I mean if Japan gets super speshul TSFs that they have no irl equivalent of, surely it wouldn't hurt to do other designs around?

It would, though, because those are inferior countries.

>>140888445
This is incorrect.