Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1522

他のスレに勝てるにはこのスレをちょっと伸ばしたほうがいいよね
だから深い意味のないこのクソ投稿

みんなの今期での好きなアニメは何？
俺はくまみことRE:Zeroを見ているので今のところは後者の方が好き

ここ以外の/a/と被らないように返事は日本語で

Why you guys have so many thread >>140743833

>>140744802
This thread is just some autist that has a problem with the official OP, disregard.

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Can you solve this riddle?

>>140744369
日本語と趣味が下手
人生アンインストールしろ

>>140744802
Because posting in the sakura thread = giving into the spammer

>>140745059
>趣味が下手
お前の趣味がどうなのかはしらんけど
日本語が下手なのはお前の方だろ

>>140744883
>random horribly made OP that Sakura autist is forcing really hard
>vs
>standard OP that has been used for well over a year
You posted that in the wrong thread. I'm sure people wouldn't have as much of an issue if it weren't that particular image/character and weren't so horribly made.

>>140744744
>new guide is shit
new guide has been in open suggestion mode for almost half a year now, how about actually making worthwhile suggestions there instead of just whining about it

>>140745103
趣味はヲタ食べて

Not so sure about the second sentence here guys.

交渉次第では、１年でもリースOKとなるかもしれませんが、頭金（返却されず）や月々の支払は相当額になると思います。例外中の例外の適用になるので、ディーラーとしても。

"Following negotiation 1 year lease might be ok but, downpayment (wont get it back) and monthly fees are considerable I think.

例外中の例外の適用になるので、ディーラーとしても。
"This application is a exception among exceptions, even for dealers" ????

>>140745345
specifics

>>140745374
Appleさん、残念ながら<redacted>近辺というか、ミシガン全体でみても、１年のリースは存在しません。最低２年からになります。どうしてもという場合は、めぼしいディーラーと交渉するか、２年リース契約して、１年後に相当な解約料を払って解約するか。。。
あとは、残りの１年を引き継いでくれる人を見つけるか。。。（Transferが可能な契約内容なら、という条件付きですが）

交渉次第では、１年でもリースOKとなるかもしれませんが、頭金（返却されず）や月々の支払は相当額になると思います。例外中の例外の適用になるので、ディーラーとしても。

いっそのこと、程度のいい中古車を買われて、一年後に売却しては？　もし新車を買うならそれに越したことはありません。値落ちの少ないモデルをお勧めします、新車なら。

>>140745410
im not interested in what youre trying to understand or translate or whatever im interested in you and where your hangups are

tldr

>「「「悪霊？」」」
>という事らしい。
>ウィズを訪ねてきたこの人は、不動産業を営んでいるそうだ。
>最近この街の空き家に、なぜか様々な悪霊が住み着きまくっているのだという。
Well here you go, 不動産業 straight from a gay anime book for all the fags complaining about "unnecessary" words in core.

>>140745547
nice dude make sure to post any more regular words you find in anime for us

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>>140744619
mozc-ut with the ibus engine module.

AUR packages:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mozc-ut/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ibus-mozc-ut/

Info and configuration:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#Variants_on_AUR
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#mozc-ut
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc#Configuration

For autostarting the ibus engine module:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus#Initial_setup

You can of course use regular mozc if you don't care about the ut dictionary (the ut version of mozc takes a long time to build):
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mozc/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ibus-mozc/

>>140745345
If you somehow somewhere were to get a 1 year lease it would be handled in a very exceptional way (for example the high downpayments and shit) even for a dealer because they are so rare.

>>140744121
This thread was made later therefore it should be purged, based on the mod ruling a single one of these generals up at any given time.

>>140745832
i agree plus this 1s mad ゲイ

see yall back in the real thread

>>140745832
Nice try spammer

>>140745832
Not really, that hasn't been a "rule" ever since Sakura autist became a thing and "first threads" got deleted several times in favor of the proper one. Pretty sure this is going to happen every time a thread is made with the shitty Sakura OP. Pretty much any other character an image would be fine, but that image/character will never become accepted no matter how hard you try to force it.

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What are you reading, DJT? What do you think about it?

I'm seriously considering making a responsive layout for the DOJG deck, the current one is fucking shit for mobile. If I end up making it, I'll post a Mega link in this thread.

from yotsuba

学校だ学校

why does he say school twice?

>>140746320
If the note data is the same and you're just changing the card layout, submit it to feedback following the formatting in the entries in the Alt Styles pastebin on the main page / DJT pastebin account.

>>140746367
emphasis

>>140746396
I believe you mean.
Emphasis dude. Emphasis.

>>140746367

It's a school, a school.

>>140746167
Would probably really help if someone explained the situation to the mods, just so they know why we are reporting the other thread

>>140746267
Satsukoi. It is pretty good but too many sex scenes. Getting towards the end so I am trying to decide what I am going to read next.

>>140746524
Have you read multiple routes? How many H scenes on average per route? I was under the impression it had a pretty average amount. I was considering reading that soon but I have other stuff lined up too.

>>140746635
Not him, and it has a perfectly reasonable amount of sex scenes, that guy just has shit taste.

>>140746501
>just so they know why we are reporting the other thread
Because you're autistic as fuck and can't handle variation.
The other thread was up first, that's all that fucking matters you cancerous piece of shit.

>>140746635
3 for each route. Flyable Heart had about 2 per route, so I guess it really isn't that much more now that I compare them. Satsukoi has a more interesting plot than FH though, so the sex scenes feel like they are getting in the way of plot progression.

I do have to admit, the Satsukoi scenes are better than Flyable Heart.

>>140746167
>Not really, that hasn't been a "rule" ever since Sakura autist became a thing and "first threads"
You're wrong, newfag.
It's been a rule for years now. It was established after the mods originally gave up deleting the threads because they didn't belong here, and decided to allow it as long as there was only one thread up at a time. First come, first serve.

>>140745962
I didn't make that thread you goddamn autist.

>>140746811
>Because you're autistic as fuck and can't handle variation.
>The other thread was up first, that's all that fucking matters you cancerous piece of shit.
Not really. That image is pretty much a troll image at this point. I don't think anyone objects to variation / anime OPs in general when you can easily search for it or have "DJT" visible in the OP image text, it's that specific image and character people are taking such issues with. Literally just let Sakura go and make an OP with any other character, because Sakura isn't something DJT is going to get over any time soon.

>>140746524
were you horny to sex scenes?

if you read the posts in both threads its already apparent where the riff raff is (here)

>>140746267
I will give her my 魚雷

>>140746892
Most of them. A couple I didn't like that much, and one was really good.

>>140746899
That's just because DJT is 90% riff raff (笑う)

>>140746899
What the fuck is riff raff? Sounds like some 90's shit.

>>140746855
You seem to have left out a rather important bit while quoting me to make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm perfectly aware of what they said. They have deleted the first created threads several times when a more legitimate OP was made afterwards. At this point the Sakura image is pretty much shitposting. Use literally any other image.

>>140746957
90 is pretty generous dont you think

>>140746837
Yeah 3 is a really average amount of H scenes. Seikishi had 8~ per route and HoshiOri has 10+ per route.

The only objective method of deciding the thread is time so that nobody activates their autism about the OP image.

>>140747020
At this point it's pretty much time*

*unless the OP image is the Sakura one

>>140747020
Time and whether or not it is posted by a ban evading spammer. That said can we stop talking about the OP image? They'll just try to use it as "evidence" that this thread is the problem >>140746899
If you want to complain about sakura image do it in the sakura thread.

>>140747020
too late (time joke)
もう遅い (時間序段)

>>140747079
your post is pretty good evidence to why this thread is shit also

>>140747060
Your post is exactly what I was talking about when mentioning autism.
>>140747079
You can't prove with 100% certainty that it's him, I'm not satisfied with the very likely chance, it's still not definite.

>>140747166
I mean just because a german with a mustache goes around killing jews doesn't make him hitler but does it really matter at that point?

>>140747201
How is that analogy even applicable here? Seems like there's no point in arguing with an autist that cares so much about a fucking image.

>>140747060
I don't mind a Sakura in OP, just use the picture where she isn't wearing that gay disney hat.

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>>140746267
I think Shouko's confession was cute as fuck.

http://loopthetube.com/#TOB-TKNVbJA&start=457.7&end=458.9

can someone tell me what this guy is saying

>>140747019
Would those games be considered nukige with that many scenes?

I don't mind a few scenes. but I mostly want to read VNs for the plot. I don't plan on ever reading a nukige.

>>140746267
Been kind of busy so haven't had as much time to read as usual, but I've been reading the Mayuri Flyable Heart "fandisc" VN slowly on the side. I posted my thoughts about it here when I started it
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/140262117/#140306544

Pretty much all of those thoughts have held pretty firmly so far (just finished the 2nd H scene, not sure how far in that is though), so I definitely wouldn't recommend it to a beginner and I definitely wouldn't recommend it to someone who hasn't read all of Flyable Heart's routes.

>>140747257
If its not that big of a deal then why not just use a different image instead of trying to force the one almost everyone hates? I mean, I agree that it's kind of dumb, but as long as it's that image, the autism isn't going to settle down and you know that.

Anyways, if you're gonna keep discussing this, at least go into the other thread to do it.

>>140747296
Maybe 私は刑事長

id like to talk about japanese not visual novels isnt there a board for that

why are you polluting the japanese thread with visual novel discussion

糞を食べた
おいしいい

>>140747414
the meta discussion is more annoying, plus the VN thread on JP fucking hates DJT and any discussion of difficulty or stuff like "I prefer low H scenes because I'm reading to learn and it's distracting" etc.

if you wanna discuss something about the language then start a discussion, don't just make yet another meta post.

How should I name my folder with manga? I'm an artist (mangaka).
漫画 is just too ugly for my artistic mind.

>>140747550
ok lets go back to this >>140747296

>>140747550
>the meta discussion is more annoying
Welp, maybe to your easily offended ass

>>140747577
What's wrong with >>140747403?
Honestly in something like that how do you even expect to know if something is right if you're told it? It's not like a movie where context makes it obvious that an answer is right.

>>140747553
春画

>>140747711
I'm not that kind of an artist... That looks ugly to my enlightened mind too.

>>140744883
fuck off to your autist thread,you piece of shit.

>>140747680
no i know what hes saying its a topical yet satirical post

also the guy who wrote 刑事長 totally knows what hes really saying and is just bein a bonehead

i know my djt boys pretty well

>>140747996
What's he saying then? Help out everyone else in the thread.

>>140748083
its no good when you have to explain the joke but hes using the word 自閉症 which is why i said it was very relevant and topical to this thread and it goes two fold

its japanese and its also describing the thread

ok now that thats out of the way whats the latest cool moege yall are gaga about again?

>>140748136
お前、日本語が下手なのか上手いのかはっきりしないな
それともお前の英語と同じで普通の言葉が脳から指への過程のどっかでゆがんでしまうのか

>>140747397
>(just finished the 2nd H scene, not sure how far in that is though)
You're getting close to the really good part. I'm almost envious, since I can never read that part for the first time again. It's actually glorious.

>>140748389
I was surprised how tastefully done the 2nd H scene's art was. There weren't even nipples in it.

Good to hear that I'm coming up to a really good part though, I'm already immensely enjoying it since Mayuri's route was the one I was looking forward to the most in Flyable Heart and I feel like I'm getting everything I wanted out of that route so far and then some (since it seems to have pretty much no padding at all compared to Flyable Heart and a better writing style).

Looking forward to continuing tomorrow.

>>140748485
Oh really? I felt the first half of Mayuri's VN - basically, the part you've read so far - was good, but nothing special. A bit repetitive since I already know most of what's going to happen.

It's the 2nd half that makes the game one of the best things ever written.

>>140748554
Yeah, I didn't really mind it because there were interesting changes throughout, went more in depth on some things, skipped pretty much all of the padding in Flyable Heart's common route, showed a lot more of Mayuri's thoughts and history and stuff that you may know about through her route but never actually got to see / hear more in depth about outside of a few glimpses here and there. If this is nothing special I'm really looking forward to the second half.

I'm also pretty glad that I didn't read this directly after Flyable Heart as I'm pretty sure I would've ruined it and had trouble understanding a lot of it.

>>140748656
You guys are getting me hyped, but I probably won't read it for another 1-2 years.

>>140748732
Just read faster dude, you were finishing Flyable Heart routes in a few days / a week towards the end. You don't wanna take a decade to get to reading simple plotge, do you?

あと一日か

>>140748798
Even if I read faster, I am going to read 1-2 more VNs before I read the FH fandisc, then probably 1-3 more before I read the Mayuri one. And probably at least one LN mixed in somewhere. So it will take some time.

>>140748858
Based on what I've seen/heard, you'll want to read the Mayuri VN before the fandisc anyways since the fandisc has some characters that are exclusive to her VN and probably reference it and the fandisc was released after the Mayuri VN.

「クソ」エロゲを食べました

>>140748893
I never looked at the release dates, so I never even considered that. That really ruins my plans.

So I guess my new plan is read 4-5 VNs, then Mayuri, then Candyheart.

I know 1905 Kanji,... I am smart...

>>140749013
good job wasting your time and life

>>140748999
The fandisc also has characters from other Unison Shift VNs, so you could check the shares characters section of the vndb and consider those

>>140748999
>>140749054
>>>/jp/ take your memes there meh...
lmao

>>140749100
if this discussion were to take place in /jp/ they'd just send them back here

>>140749054
Speaking of that, did you know 八重野先輩's little sister and her friend, who appear for 1 scene in Flyable Heart, are actually main characters from another VN? I'm almost tempted to read their VN and see if it mentions him.

>>140749121
Take your cool vn memes elsewhere you can even take them to another site for all i care lmfao

>>140748342
お前、
日本語の土俵に入るつもりはねえ
何を考えているのかボクはかまわねえよ

>>140748935
thats bad for your tummy dude

>>140749121
yeah but thats their problem at that point and were just here chillin in the benz chattin about this and that with regards to nihongo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LsFdGXoSj0

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>>140749054
Too many relations...

It would feel weird to do the Candyheart route if I haven't read their original route though. Assuming some of them get routes, they might just be side characters.

>>140749200
How bout you stop posting shitty music before complaining about other people talking about VNs

>>140749244
sorry i posted actual japanese content in the japanese learning thread dude

>>140749288
So posting Japanese content is okay but discussing it is not?

>>140749329
its an english discussion that has nothing to do with japanese itself

facts are facts dude if you wanna talk about vns make it worthwhile in regards to the thread or get shit on 24/7

>>140749369
>getting shit on by 1 guy who shitposts constantly anyway

Who cares? And it is 16/7 not 24/7, since you have to sleep.

>>140749369
Your shitty music posts are not worthwhile in regards to this thread

>>140749410
im not the only one dude

after all im not the one who made either of the two threads

>>140749414
i think they are just chill and bob ya head and learn how to be a little more hood with your nihongo as a result maybe

I just released a 屁

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>Tricot's new EP is out

I'm so happy

Here's some rap (it's at the end) jamal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI6Hzi6vC-M

kuuso wo tabeta desu yo...

>>140749663
shiori experience is dope

i didnt feel much of an aura from 呂布 so i think he should pick a more approp handle but overall cool dude

i prefer hiphop but im down with anyone who knows how to chill

>>140749742
gross dude

>>140749781
What? Don't say you don't watch anime too

>>140749742
kuusou o tabeta deth yo

>>140744121
What are recommended nipponese internet radios I can stream?

>>140750228
I listen to Anime Daisuki FM and Meidochan Daisuki FM

>>140750228
R/a/dio

>>140749414
The songs are cool and I appreciate them more than the bitching and lame putdowns that make up 80% of the thread.

>>140750228
tbs radio 954

>>140750228
http://www.surfmusic.de/country/japan.html

Take your pic

I wasn't too impressed by any of them though

>>140750638
So the opinion of an オタク is a benchmark now? The world has changed in a single night huh...

why are there two thraeds

>>140750726
There was 3 earlier.

>>140750726
someones a stupid bitch lol

>>140750749
>>140750742
This doesn't answer my question

>>140750774
Because a bunch of autistic children can't handle a thread with an OP image they dislike even though it was created earlier.

>>140750803
This doesn't answer my question

>>140750812
someone posted another thread after someone else posted a thread

>>140750819
This doesn't answer my question

Does 一日 (ついたち) just refer to the first of the month or is it also 'one day'?

I guess 一日間 would be one day? That's read as いちかかん?

>>140750883
Sure

>>140750883
If it's pronounced ついたち then I'm pretty sure it unambiguously does not mean "one day".

>>140750882
actually yeah it kinda does completely

>>140750883
the kanji yes that reading no for the first
yea for the second

>>140751068
>actually yeah it kinda does completely
bitch, I'll fucking let you know when my question has been answered

>>140751068
>the kanji yes that reading no for the first
>yea for the second
Sorry I'm having trouble parsing this. Are you saying that 一日 shouldn't be read as the first of the month?

>>140751126
basically this >>140750921

dont apologize you have nothin to be sorry for

>>140751115
ok dude sheesh let go of my shirt

>>140744744
I'm not sure what you're on about. That stuff is all still in the resources section, it's just been outsourced to a separate document.

Maybe you should try reading the guide sometime.

>>140751353
Try reading a piece of shit? No thx, I'll pass.

>>140751454
then stop complaining about it you sperglord.

>>140751722
Oh I see you are an enlightened man that uses cool words. Dismissed.

Do we still have that half-Jamal dude spamming DJT in lower case with his passive-aggressiveness?

>>140751996
Take a look at the posts above yours and tell me what you think the answer is.

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>other thread got deleted

When you read off the date in Japanese it's month then day right, if you want to state the day of the week as well does that come last?

>>140752014
not deleted just closed but at least i got to rip up this dudes butthole real quick
>>140751909
>>140751917
>>140751931

now its time to go home お疲れ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcrJJoUYlo8

my rikaisama stopped working

Is it fine to cut out my 30 new cards of the day in core if I have 30+ new cards in my mining deck?

>>140752085
今日は四月二十七日水曜日です。

>>140752011
Fucking hell. Haven't really visited in a few weeks and things haven't gotten better I see.

>>140752108
It's because Firefox updated, go to sourceforge and get the latest Rikaisama.

ああああああぁぁあぅうゔあくっそ！！うーう！くそくそくそうんち！！！！うーうーうーう！ううううんちくそくそああああううぅぅゔゔあああぁ！ちくっっっっっっっっしょう！うーうーうーうーう！んんんんんんんん

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>>140752376
>ゔ
how do you pronounce this? vu?

私は六本ビール毎週を買います

or

私は毎週ビール六本を買います

Or have I fucked up and neither? Or am I being pedantic and it doesn't make a big difference?

>>140752489
私は毎週ビールを6本買います

Jetencure purofondo
Which dialect is this? I got this text in romaji while playing a VN, it just flashed on the screen so I couldn't even texthook it.

>>140752489
私はビール「を」六本買います
私は六本ビール「を」毎週買います

Wow.
I probably should have read the grammar guide earlier.
No wonder i was having a hard time reading shit, it makes so much sense now !

Guess it's a textbook case of putting the cart before the horse.

>>140752631
Je t'encule profonde(ément).
I sodomise you deeply.

Holy shit, i'm about to be trilingual. I just realised right now.

your guide is such fucking shit

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>>140752699

>>140752631
im buttfucking you deeply

>>140752538
>>140752652
That makes more sense. Thanks.

>>140752693
Arigatou, it's not Japanese then? Sounds like some romance language, French maybe? And how are you going to become trilingual?
>>140752716
Thanks.

>>140752699
I know man, it doesn't even tell you how to use Rosetta Stone to maximise your learning potential. I'm planning on moving to Japan in a decade, and my current studying schedule will make me as capable as an elementary schooler in just 7 years. All the talk of kanji is just silly, as we all know there are more kanji than stars in the universe, and it's a lifelong struggle to learn them.

I heard that emperor Hirohito is going to ban the use of kanji any day now anyway, so there's really not much point learning them.

>>140752753
it is french

>>140752820
はい

>>140752820
Yes, they are very oppressive indeed.
日本
日本

>>140752670
Does it? I'm almost done with the basic section and I'm still having trouble understanding a lot of fairly basic sentences..

>>140752820
All societies are. Think about the origin of the word hysteria for example.

>>140752670
which grammar guide is better,Tae kim or Imabi?

>>140752631
>I got this text in romaji while playing a VN
No you didn't. Anon told you to go fuck yourself in his native language yesterday and that's why you're asking now.

>>140753034
I use Tae kim because it's reduced to an handy pdf that i can keep on me always. Handy.

>>140752903
Well, i have quite a few months of kanji learning behind me, so particles were pretty much my bottleneck.

>>140753099
Are The Complete Guide to Japanese and Guide to Japanese Grammar the same?
which should I use if I'm just a beginner?

>>140753069
I didn't post in the sakura thread so I'm pretty sure that wasn't me.

>>140753199
>Are The Complete Guide to Japanese and Guide to Japanese Grammar the same?
no
>which should I use if I'm just a beginner?
Use the "grammar guide" regardless of your skill level

>>140753199
No.
All the important stuff that can hardly be picked-up through osmosis is in the grammar guide, so at least read that.
It doesn't hurt to read the other one too, of course, but grammar guide is like the bone structure, you really need that shit.

>>140752449
ヴ ‎(vu)

If you're talking about going to a location at a time do you just use に twice? Like 一時に家に行きます

>>140745043
めだたい
aka おめでとう

>>140753412
>だ
I meant で obviously

What exactly am I supposed to get started on and in what order after I have finished with the realkana grinding? Do I go straight into Tae Kim or start on something else first? When should I start with vocab and kanji?

>>140753528
First, use anki.
No, not after you read grammar, start now.
Start yesterday if you can time-travel.

Second, and maybe i'll get flak for this, but don't bother learning kanas. You'll pick them up while learning kanjis in anki. That worked for me !

>>140753528
You don't really need vocab. Just learn the kanji.

Hoshizora no Memoria:

家に戻って来た頃にはすっかり陽も沈んでいた。

夏のわりに日の入りが早く感じるのは、この街が都会よりもずっと北に位置しているためだろう。

Does the second line mean: "The sunset is earlier compared to summer, because this city is further up north than the city."? How is ため used here?

>>140753771
Yeah it's the second one you are correct.

This is probably a stupid question but can someone tell me how one should progress?

Right now I am learning Kanji and vocabulary. When should I start learning grammar? When should I start reading? What should I read?

>>140753967
From the beginning. Read the guide.

>>140753967
Grammar is pretty much useless aside from the negative and past form. You can guess everything else if you have enough vocab.

>>140753967
Read the guide, start Tae Kim, start DOJG Anki deck once you've finished the basic section of Tae Kim, don't forget to get KanjiTomo, read compelling content as soon as you want to, start by googling how to set up a text hooker

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おにいちゃん

ちゃんとねないとだめだよ

よふかしはからだにどくだよ

>>140754590
I have a 26 hour sleep cycle.

>>140754590
おい、ジャップ
口でやれぞ、犬野郎

Yo guys I'm looking for some help on this sentence
>これからは毎晩たっぷり楽しもうよ
From now on every night we're going to have plenty of comfort/sex.
What nuance does しもうよ have? Is that a shortened version of something?

>>140754780
Wakarimasen wwwwww

>>140754780
It's a very girly way of implying the desire to fuck.

>>140754780
Imperative form

>>140754855
That's weird, cuz a dominant guy is saying it
I guess it's supposed to be a playful tone?>>140754875
imperative form of what?

If you can't write Japanese what are you going to do when your cute Japanese pen-friend asks you to exchange hand written letters?

>認証コード
>認証

>しょうにん　コード
>にんしょう
What. The. Fuck.

I still don't entirely get transitive and intransitive verbs even in english since English is not my first language. Anyone have a mnemonic or easy way to distinguish one from the other.

>>140754893
i feed the food right into your shitty little mouth and you're telling me you dont know how to chew it

>>140754893
He's just making fun of it then or suggesting it to a girl.

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(NOTE: Ignore if you do not like boring rants)

So, today marks the exact 2 year anniversary of when I started learning Japanese (April 27th 2014), or to be specific the end of a several year period of fucking around in the first chapters of Genki 1 and the beginning of Core2k in anki. Pic related. (ignore the 23 days, I dropped core after the first day and restarted). To commemorate this event, I'll detail what level I'm at now, what I did over those years, and what I regret.

To get it out of the way - I'm not perfect. I can't answer every question posted here, I make dumb mistakes sometimes, and I can't fluently speak. Some people could by now, but I can't. What I can do however is pick up a novel or anime or manga and read/watch it beginning to end and have a good time. If you challenge me with snippets, I'll probably fuck some up - however, when watching and reading native material, I can picking up the majority, even the vast majority, but not all and not without mistakes. So in that sense, my precedent can be both one of relief and fear - you can study daily for 2 years and be pretty good, but you still also will have a lot left to learn. The easiest way to understand my level is that Japanese is not a barrier to reading 99% of content, and doesn't cross my mind when I pick something to read, but my level still impacts how I interact with the text (LoGH - with great fear). Also, that I can go to scanlation threads and notice a fuckton of errors.

As for what I did, the answer is 493 hours in anki with 8000~ mature cards and 2000~ young and the equivalent 30 complete visual novels of average length, plus a significant smattering of reading 2ch posts, some manga, interviews, watching lets plays, and other minute tasks. I didn't do RTK (more on that later), I just picked up kanji from Core2k, my mining deck, and reading. I did literally nothing else - no writing, no speaking practice, no significant listening practice outside of VN voice acting.

>>140754945
I regret some of that. I wish I had done RTK, probably, because I still fuck up some simple kanji distinguishing. Like I just realized the 類 in 類稀 is the same as 類(るい). This doesn't impact my reading abilities but it does suck when learning new words. I regret not doing more real listening practice, because there's a lot of words I know from kanji but forgot the reading of long ago despite how common/signifcant they are. And finally, I regret not realizing that closing my web browser would allow me to focus infintiely better. My quality of life, studying, and reading shot up when I closed my browser when studying and removed the immediate temptation of opening tabs and getting lost in the internet.

In short, I have studied for 2 years and am halfway to the 4 year deadline, things are looking good. My reason for posting this, aside from commemoration, is mainly that I remember thinking that when I started everyone would already be fluent when I got there, but it seems like there's still a lot of people just starting. So maybe the experiences, successes, and failures of someone with 730 days experience will be of interest.

>>140754929
you gave me a cookie crumb

>>140754945
>>140754966
Uh... Ok?

>>140754994
thats all you'll get and you're gonna like it

>>140754945
I'm writing the words in my 2k deck and it's definitely helping me memorize them

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>>140754614
よふかしはおはだにもわるいよ

>>140755025
Hey, I said ignore it if you don't like boring rants. the post is there for those who want to read it.
>>140755050
I don't doubt it, every time I picked up a pencil or pen to write I was just like, wow this is taking a lot of time and I'd stop.

>>140754966
You can still do RTK now, you know. It's really easy, so you can go through like a hundred new cards a day.

>>140755081
I've been mulling that idea over, I'll probably bite the bullet and go through it whenever an impetus arrives (like going to Japan in X months).

>>140755130
you wanna go to japan in x months with me?

>>140755076
Welp, I bet you don't even have an ankifu... meh...

>>140755060
I wanna stick my ちんぽ into her nose lmao

>70% correct in core deck reviews
>mine 30 cards for the first time
>keep hitting again on cards I've seen 5 times already
>30% correct
FUCK

is it gonna get better, why is this so much more difficult the vocab wasn't even that complex

>おかえりあなた風
>風
Literally what?

>>140755211
Sure, lemme just finish rtk first
>>140755213
I actually removed images from Core2k as one of the first things I did. The reason I dropped core2k for those 20 some days is because the default format at the time was the yellow shitty one with everything on the wrong side. There wasn't even a "here's a better format" pastebin back then, literally everyone who downloaded core2k/6k had to fix the format themselves.

>>140755265
welp thought so omg you are stupid... thx for the laughs meh...

>>140755256
Welcome back my dear wind.

>>140755256
since wind is carefree and comes and goes whenever, 風 emphasizes how surprising it is that the person returned

I'm going to Japan in x months mainly for the culture and art (I am an artist myself). Which pronoun should I use to reflect my artistic nature?

>>140755362
拙者, no doubt.

>>140755362
atashi

>>140755337
yeah that's what put me off.

>>140755347
Okay, shit. Didn't get that.

>>140755382
I'm not a Samurai enthusiast myself so that's hardly appropriate especially in 2016.
>>140755386
I'm a male, forgot to say that.

>>140755414
Oh, my bad, I thought you said "autist"

>>140755431
I'm pretty sure you're joking but I said artist, and not all artists are autistic.

>>140755455
yeah i was 99% sure you were a guy

>>140755494
Well that's hardly surprising because I'm sure there's some research to back this generalization, so it's okay I guess.

>>140755256
Sometimes 風 is used as -esque.

そのロリの無邪気さあふれる笑顔を見たら、ちんぽを突っ込めずにはいられなかった。

>>140754945
Can you read VNs without a texthooker?

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>

>>140755812
>people ironically believe that native japs are the best choice for translators

loving
every
laugh

>>140755792
Somewhat. If you take a look at >>140717091, I can read games on Tier 1 without a texthooker with 0 problems, I can read games on Tier 2 without a texthooker but some problems (will be tabbing out to look up words, but not enough to slow down my reading pace obnoxiously), but games on Tier 3? No fucking way. Bradyon Veda for example goes into hard science fiction descriptions of the chemical reactions occurring, basically stuff I've never seen before. My nose is in the dictionary half the time for that one. However games like that are pretty rare. Even LOGH isn't that hard.

What is the difference between でわあります and であります? According to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/AMB_Japanese_Verbs.pdf the former should be correct, but, if so, why is anime titled "Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de aru"? Also, why does Yuuna aru if she is a human, shouldn't she iru?

>>140754966
>>140754945

Thanks for the posts, cool to read.

>>140755812
What.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/formal.html#part2

>>140755949
Hi leddit

>>140754966
Post youre deck please

>>140755914
Did you mean ではあります?
Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it, であるis used regardless of animate/inanimate.

>>140756042
My deck is a clusterfuck of words I found in the wild, I don't recommend it. Mining your own deck is for the best.
>>140755943
Glad someone liked it

A bit confused, gaijin = foreigner, but gaikokujin = black foreigner, or what? What's the difference?

>>140755914
ではあります isn't a thing. ではありますん is,

>>140756144
Im alright with clusterfucks. I am a clusterfuck of failure.

>>140756152
外国人 - Foreigner
害人 - American

Word of the day: 五輪

>>140756170
でありません*

>>140756152
They both mean the same thing. The first is more like "outsider" and the second is more like "person from a foreign country" though.

>>140756177
What about 外黒人?

>>140756176
I don't know how to export a deck without keeping my stats in it so here's a wordlist. I've been using a LOGH deck for awhile so there's not as many words as you might expect in it. Warning: Using this will lead to bad times if you haven't done RTK, new kanji are introduced hard and fast. I struggled anyway.
http://pastebin.com/BTJKqeW9

Well, I could export it in a spreadsheet but I don't know if that'd remove stats.

>>140756177
Nuclearを戦場で実験した国は信用しない

>>140756257
Untick the scheduling data bit when exporting.

>>140756368
That still keeps the stats I'm pretty sure. Had a bad experience with that in the past.

>>140756257
Whats wrong with keeping the stats?

>>140756466
I figure no one wants to look at the stats for the deck and see MY stats included. It'd corrupt their data forever.

>>140756511
Im fine with it to be honest. I keep separate decks on my pc and phone

>>140756563
Well, here you go. I hope you don't regret this.
https://mega.nz/#!aoYWRC5B!Jb1_d4XYYQbC-1ZyVIWIgaY0qZyUMHoMaDo4S0SVnto

>>140756686
I opened it and it has no stats. This is good though. Thanks for sharing

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おにいちゃん

ほしいもってたべたことある？

>>140757015
Huh, weird. I guess Anki fixed that bug.

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>>140755812
So at what point is it okay to try your hand at translating various types of media? I'd assume that manga would be easier than LNs or VNs, given the lack of narration most of the time.

If you're a beginner is it okay to try it, or wait till lower intermediate / upper intermediate? Could a certain VN / LN / proper novel serve as a sort of benchmark? Time invested? JLPT level? Any sort of rough guideline / goal to work toward would be good, or if someone else has experience in doing translations.

Also I am assuming that this includes the translator being a native English speaker who has read a bunch in English already.

I came into this thread with the intention of one day translating shit, but not sure when is a good point to start, or if I should start out editing etc. instead of just translating.

>>140757027
No, but I can feed you to my cat if you want.

Anyone know what ミエミエ means? I see it on javs a lot.

>>140757322
Mouse over with rikai, and all the secrets will be revealed.

>>140757299
You can do whatever the fuck you want. You don't need some internet nerd's approval to translate shit. Besides, the EOPs will never even notice your errors.

>>140757299
When I first started I thought "I will never translate anything until I read an entire book".
However, the truth is much more sinister.
If you don't mind making bad translations, then you can start whenever. People eat shit constantly because of people making this choice so they're used to it.
If you want to make GOOD translations, then this is the benchmark you should use: HOW OFTEN DO YOU DOUBT YOURSELF? HOW OFTEN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU READ? In short, if you're constantly re-reading parts because you don't understand, if you constantly have to look up words because your vocabulary is weak... then you shouldn't translate and expect to make good translations. It just won't happen.

The only thing stopping you from making bad translations is your own morals. So think about it.

>>140757299
Start any time you want. Use a dictionary or guide if you get stuck. Knowledge reqs vary depending on what youre translating

>>140757361
Maybe I should have specified: I don't want to resort to "machine translation" like text or just shitting out whatever to fill in the gaps in knowledge (while banking on nobody noticing the bullshit).

So producing so called "good" translations.

>>140757442
The simple truth is thus: If you want to translate Japanese well, you have to know Japanese. Therefore, ask yourself: do you know Japanese, right now? If you're struggling to read texts, still encounter significant unknown vocabulary, and most importantly can't read a novel cover to cover with little trouble and a steady pace then you don't know Japanese.

>>140757442
Then whenever you can read/listen to stuff and know what it means and can say it in English.
I would recommend youd be fluent but many things can be translated being a beginner or intermediate. Keep in mind people have different meanings for beginner, intermediate, etc

A lot depends on the material being translated.
絵本 usually only have hiragana
Manga has a bigger rane of stuff you need to know. Very few require JLTP N1 and N2
If youre translating newspapers or scientific articles you will need N1 or beyond
This is obviously a simplified answer. Theres more you need to know than things you see in jltp to translate many things even if theyre low level stuff

what should i read

>>140757442
Professional translators use programs to help them translate faster. What you really need to know is that there are two main requirements to translating Japanese into English:
1. know Japanese very well.
2. know English very well.

If you want some sort of standard, I'd say for a generalised requirement, you should be able or have at least passed N1 in the 日本語能力試験 with a high passing mark. This shows you have a solid general comprehension of written and spoken Japanese. There are also other examples of certified exams and translation assessments for translator organisations.

If you're interested in fan translation, do that whenever the fuck you want. The EOPs aren't likely to notice or care and it might give you some sort of practice if you really want to start translating early.

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>>140757699
>The EOPs aren't likely to notice or care
If someone who knows Japanese doesn't directly come in and say something, there is literally 0% chance of any EOP figuring it out. It's a travesty really, to witness all the scanlation threads on /a/ and all the shit pumped onto to mangareader or whatever. Nobody really understands just how bad the translations are. If they did they'd probably riot or something.

>>140757761
>If they did they'd probably riot or something.
>how dare someone offer something for free
lmao calm down

>>140757793
If someone gave me a pie filled with shit for free I'd still be pissed. Riot probably conjured up the wrong image, I didn't mean "riot in seething rage" but rather "riot in desperation to fix the situation" because holy hell is it fucking bad.

うんこちんこまんこの時間だ

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>>140744121
My tomorrow I'll have reviewed all of the cards in the Basic volume of the DoJG from the DoJG deck. After being away from the language for so long, it's all coming back and feels pretty good. The causative-passive construct is something that sounds strangely nice rolling off the tongue. させられる. 話させられる、食べさせられる. It's like a stream of syllables.

I don't understand why in sentences like:

>彼女は背が高い

It's が, and not は twice. Going by Tae Kim's explanation, it would read "as for her, stature is the thing that is tall", where as I'd expect it to read "as for her, as for her stature, is tall".

Is there an explanation for this, or is this particular structure just the way it is?

>>140757816
>If someone gave me a pie filled with shit for free I'd still be pissed.
What makes you think you're entitled to the pie in the first place?
Go make it your fucking self. The ingredients were all bought at the same place you shop every week.

>>140757905
'背が高い' is a vocab, not a particle

>>140757673
Yuru yuri

>>140757299
Honestly I think you shouldn't translate until you can comfortably read whatever material it is without questions. Being able to look words up isn't enough -- too often words are used in specific ways or mean certain things which you wouldn't pick up on if you're just relying on the dictionary definition. That's exactly what happened in that example, they probably just looked up モノ and saw that it meant "thing, object" and you end up with a weird translation. If you can't read it comfortably without only very minor or no questions remaining, you shouldn't be translating it.

That said EOPs will take anything and don't know a good translation from a bad one so long as the text sufficiently matches the pictures, so you could go ahead and produce bad ones and it won't matter all that much.

>>140757958
It's not enough to know every word, you need to understand culture and historical allusions as well. Although again, not that EOPs will notice.

>>140757905
>Is there an explanation for this
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, page 525, ～は～が
>A construction which relates a non controllable state of something or someone to a topic

>>140757974
In fact, don't even bother unless you know the last 2 billion years of history around the island that is Japan.

>>140758010
Not just Japan, because Japanese can make allusions to other countries of course. You need to know the entire world, and every culture and language therein.

>>140757761
"If an evil comrade is abandoned, I thought we could have a good battle"? I guess this thing is more obvious in context, but I don't get it.

Or is it meant to be "she thought that we'd have a fair fight just because she abandoned her comrade" or something?

>>140758003
That's not an explanation, it's just saying that for that structure that's the way it is.

Which is fine, but doesn't indicate that there is NOT a reason.

>>140757761
Use this image about 100 more times and you will be blessed with a meh ankifu.. welp..

>>140758082
>but doesn't indicate that there is NOT a reason.
Look up the fucking page, anon. It explains why. There is a reason why I cited it. If you need further explanation of は and が individually, look up
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, page 516, は
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, page 521, ～は～だ
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, page 118, が

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>>140757958
>That said EOPs will take anything and don't know a good translation from a bad one so long as the text sufficiently matches the pictures, so you could go ahead and produce bad ones and it won't matter all that much.

>>140758225
>Look up the fucking page, anon. It explains why. There is a reason why I cited it

Then it would've been good to indicate that, rather than just posting an excerpt that repeated what I'd already said and then getting angry when I point that out.

I will look it up.

>>140758226
Even an EOP can spot a bad chink translation.

>>140757816
>If someone gave me a pie filled with shit for free I'd still be pissed.
Could you be any more self entitled? People who are doing these scanlations for free are doing the scanaltions and providing the content for people to download. They are doing all the work and you have to actively go to the sites they upload them to in order to download them. None of these people are shoving it your fucking face.

You can change from being an EOP but it seems the self entitled manchild attitude of /a/utists is eternal.

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>>140757673
Beginner Manga:
よつばと
ToLOVEる　とらぶる　
ゆるゆり
クレヨンしんちゃん

Beginner VN:
アザナエル
FLYABLE HEART
はなひら

>>140758270
>Then it would've been good to indicate that
Why do you think I posted it? For shits and giggles?

The phrase you are looking for is "thank you".

>>140758323
>ToLOVEる　
>とらぶる
>toraburu
>trouble
>love = trouble
2deep

>>140758364
>Why do you think I posted it? For shits and giggles?

Yes, considering the only part you bothered to quote didn't add contain any relevant information. Even now I still don't understand your decision to include it in addition to the page number.

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>>140758076
"If she abandoned her comrade [as typical of evil to do], we could have had a good battle..."
らしく is in the adverbial form so it's classifying the action, and this use of のに is the one that expresses regret over something.

>>140758532
kuru
kuru
kuru
ki
ki...ta
anno"tei"da.

>>140757918
>>140758315
Why are all of you talking about entitlement? You are definitely misunderstanding something here. I am not talking about rage directed at translators in particular, but rather of a riot of discontent as per the state of the manga translation scene being so fucking god awful. I cannot imagine that these people who love manga so much would not react quite passionately if they were to know just how horrible all the translations they consume are. Not in negativity towards those doing it for free, which you have both misinterpreted, but rather negativity towards the general state of shit.

>>140758569
Thanks, I'm a fucking idiot.

>>140758372
All sorts of manga have puns in their titles.
花より男子(だんご)　→　花より団子

うる星やつら →　うるせぇ、やつら
うる＝name of the planet the character is from

アニメの時間だ
アニメを見よう

>>140757673
あいうら

>>140758301
>EOP
only if it's bad english

>>140758833
>くその時間だ
>くそを食べよう
I'll pass

>>140759537
Or if the content itself is incoherent.

What does Japan think about ドナルド・トランプ?

>>140760107
They literally could not give less of a fuck.

>>140760107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0XFdFhkTuo

>>140760107
Fucking gai人

>>140760399
失礼な。。。

>>140760715
Gaijin should be purge from Japan

Can ことか also be used to mark a rhetorical question like ものか? If so, what's the difference between the two?

>>140760841
No

does anybody else write a lot of Japanese? im sorry for the bad grammar, I was just wondering if any one who writes a bunch of Japanese notices changes in their hand writing, I exclusively have only written Japanese for 2 years, and I wrote an "E" today and my stroke order is completely different from what I would do before.

What's the best Japanese art site? I am an artist and I would like to learn some good techniques from enlightened people like me.

>>140761155
hahaha so funneh xD

EPIC

屁と屎を食べた

カワイイ猫ね
カ・ワ・イ・イ
このスレは大きな糞溜

>>140761249
Did you forget to take your autism medicine? Just a friendly reminder, I'm concerned about your health.

>>140760929
Thanks. So the 知ったことか expression is just something idiomatic and the ことか can't be used that way in general?

>>140761316
Yeah

I just fucking シャット all over my 椅子...

>>140744121
http://archive.4plebs.org/film/
Good work Hiro.

>>140761293
im not on any meds at all dude lol even if i was what business is that of yours huh? how about u mind your own?

>>140761963
damn rekt

>>140758714
だがしかし
天地無用！
銀魂
はじめの一歩
Date a live
ゆゆ式


えー期待したほど思いつけなかったな
もっともっとあるだろうと思うんだけどな

>>140761963
I can tell you are on meds because I'm on some good meds myself if you catch my drift lmao

>>140761411
but why

>tfw having most trouble with hiragana-only words while reading

help?

>>140761145
#teamneverhandwrite.jpg lame

>>140762119
I have the same issue, the Kanji help you to remember the word because it conveys the meaning easier. It just comes down to practice, though. Repeated exposure until you can recognize them like English words.

>>140762074
Idk it just came out of my 肛門 while I was watching anime

>>140762119
you're getting good at kanji close /thread

>>140762243
何アニメを目ていましたか

>>140762435
Every anime is basically the same shit 30 minutes of calling everyone a cute cat and a maid, but you can learn a lot of 偽nihongo from it

I think we should 殺す all 二ガーズ and ジューズ

>>140762962
ハイルヒトラー

>>140762574
you make 0 sense, why troll and learn a language?

>>140758532

I'm coming.
I'm CoMiNg.
I'M COMING.
Ca...
Ca... ...me.
Just like a plan.

設定
Settings

I've always thought it was strange how similar these words are. Did they come from the same source back in cave man days?

Hey moon anons. Could you help translate this
念願のエロ漫画家デビューってやつなんだ。

Does anyone else keep track of what they are studying in a spreadsheet? I find it helps appease my obsession with over analysing things and making elaborate study plans but without interfering with daily study. The progress is marked off daily and that kind of cheats my brain into thinking that it is getting to win over and indulge in pointless busywork/procrastination.

So, anyone else track their progress with programs external to Anki, etc.?

>>140744121
when you want to say something like "but what about (person)", do you use は or が？"彼女は？" sounds like the correct one to me, but isn't が supposed to be the one that shows contrast? Also maybe because it's also a question it feels like "は？" it feels like it would be the same thing as "this is the girl?" and "what about the girl?"

>>140763861
>trying to understand は and が by using logic
Just give up now

>>140763861
You would use は here usually.

>私はパンを食べた。
>彼女は？
>豆腐と思う。
Using Xは？ is the common way to say "what about x?"

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>>140764043
so what would it sound like if you did use が？ What would make it sound wrong if it's supposed to contrast a single subject with another, which is what "what about (person)" is?

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Does core contain the honorary forms of verbs like いる、ある、くれる、あげる, etc.?

>>140764237
just add ます to everything a bunch and you'll be fine

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I need some help. Is this "kyuu" or "kiyuu"?
I can't see for the life of me if the ゆis small or not.

>>140764379
きゅう

Is it better to go through a premade 2k kanji deck, or make one yourself with the kanji you encounter in the core vocab? I've been doing the former but I'm starting to think the latter might be better...

>>140764150
が simply doesn't sound right if what you mean is "what about her?" I guess it's more than this, but xは is like "about x, ..." and xが is used to say that x is the grammatical subject of the verb or possesses whatever attribute/object you're about to talk about. So when asking "what about x?" が doesn't seem to have the right meaning.

You could use が for clarity but mainly if you were trying to clarify the subject of a construction. Like:
>パンを食べた。 Ate bread.
>彼女が？ She ate the bread? (did the verb)
>いいえ、私が食べた。 No, I ate it. (I did the verb)
Or you could use it for emphasis if you were trying to take credit for having done something:
>俺がやった。 I'm specifically the one who did the verb of doing it.

That said I'm not an expert so this might be a bit off. Basically there are rules about when to use が or は, but you're really better off getting a feel for them through reading and seeing how natives choose between them in different situations.

>>140764464
really? I actually thought it was きゆう
thanks anon

>>140763641
Yes, but not in a spreadsheet. I use forest app in 30 minute chunks, and after the half hour is up, I note down what I accomplished during that time.

It's nice to go back and see a visual representation of how much studying you did in a given day. The app displays 1 tree for each successful session, so busy days become forests + you can look at what you noted down in detail.

>>140764477
I made it myself. but after 4 months I quit anki all together and just starting reading. It works.　

>1 month of anki and almost done with the basic section of tae kim
>having trouble with Flyable Heart
Am I a dekinai? I can't imagine myself ever reading something actually difficult...

>>140765223
No, flyable heart and VNs in general are very hard to begin with. Start with manga instead. It's WAY easier.

>>140764523
jeez I'm sorry I asked, I appreciate it though

>>140765313
R-Really? But you can't texthook manga.. any fun and easy ones that aren't Yotsubato?

>>140764105
へー

今日は朝一番で仲間があった

世界が変わったような気がした

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>>140765603
see
>>140758323