Schwarzesmarken

>>140710491
They tried it but shit just became worse.

>>140710491
Because they did. It didn't work.

That being said, if they had done it early enough it would've worked, it's canon that 'merica got rid of the hive that was just forming in canada by nuking the everloving shit out of it after all, so IF they had known to use nukes first instead of having them as a last resort weapon then maybe.

>>140710491
Commies greed got in the way.
Never trust the Reds.
'Murica always right.

Why don't they just build more tanks?

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>>140710491

>>140711442
Embrace democracy or you will be destroyed.

>>140710491
Took long enought. Is it the end?

>>140711623
No

>>140710491
Almost midway through ML Unlimited. Do the choices I make at this point have any relevance? It seems every choice I pick the story progresses that way anyway.

>>140711623
The last thread didn't even reached the 500 posts

Let go

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>>140710491
Because they want to ''defend' the land not fucking burn it to pieces

That tactic is only used when the land is either just a dessert of salt or they agreed to not care about the nuclear radiation that will be left behind.

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>>140710491
Posting best girls.

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>>140712889
You got it

>>140712933
worst boys =/= best girls

>>140712933
I'll admit. Those are some cute boys you got there.

>>140712747
Yes, but it had 66 IPs.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

>>140713103
>implying

>>140712852
>not fucking burn it to pieces
I guess hiroshima is a empty place.

All those areas that were used as a nuke test sites are completely barren and no life is possible there.

>>140710491
>Quality hinds
>T-64BV
>1978
>Not a single hint of soviet battle tactics or formations.
Quality my friends.

>>140712523
Do the choices I make at this point have any relevance?
They affect which post-mortem letter confession you receive at the end.
>When you visit me at cherry blossom threes come alone, i'm jealous woman.
I cry everytime.

>>140712747
The autism is too strong.

>>140713214
Because in that picture they had to use at least 2 nukes to make a way into the hive. And even with that the 2 nukes didn't manage to completely wipe out of the hordes of BETA and they have to go in and have to directly plant a tactical nuke.

>>140713319
Yeah, 2 nukes with unknow tnt equivalent.

And were they detonated at ground level? Did the the nuclear fireball touch the tower? Or did the author simply not specifiy?

>>140713470
25 kilotons of tnt

The first nuke hit the monument directly effectively leveling the land are of the hive and even shook the warship behind the ocean.

The BETAs around the area were anhilated but quickly resurface after the first nuke

The 2nd nuke then detonated mid air due to the laser class interference and when the nuke exploded it destroyed the momument but was not enough to destroy the hive gates, main halls and reactors

Then after 2nd the nuke landed the space shuttles then decided to orbital drop a flight of super hornets to secure the gate

Though the explosion made by the nuke was not strong enough to rumble and destroy the mountains of salt where most of the land units hide.

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>>140713685
>25 kilotons of tnt
Jesus fucking chirst.

That is a god damn toy. 47 kiloton would destroy the monument in one go.

A fucking W-87 would absolutely destroy it.

One single W-59 would in most cases destroy everything above, everything below and everyone nearby.

If 2 fucking 25kilotons bomb can breach a stage 2 hive with stage 3-4 underground structures then holy fuck.

>>140713884
To be fair the only nukes they have in possession isfrom one orbital satellite that have stay floated.

During that scenario all the heavy fire power was either lost to the g bombs anomally and Mega tsunami's destroying everything.

There is a reason why they have to go in and plant a tactical nuke inside the reactor after all

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>>140714104
Adding to that they were only able to damage the JFK hive effectively like that ,mainly because the new land hive was new and was not fully develop like the rest of the major hives

So did the last thread die?

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>>140714566
Yes, now it's time to let go man

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>>140714856
Your memes aren't as funny as you think

>>140710491
They did. At least 'merica did.
But then Commies ruin everything.
Also lasers.

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>>140714889
shhhh just accept it

or

would you rather not till this threads last breath?

>>140714992
The latter. There's no point to giving up before it dies, because the result is the same as staying until it does.
and who knows, maybe we'll be around until Martyrs

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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>>140715046
Oh well, i guess we'll do that

>>140714856
Muv-Luv never dies, it just hibernates until the next shitshow starts.

Hopefully, all the happenings will keep us fed until Martyrs hits sometime around Beatrix's birthday.

I just want more writefag healing.

>>140715097
Willbert is best MC

>>140715117
I want muh SM 86

>>140710491
I thought that was the plan of commies with Germany? But stupid Beato shot that KGB officer and ruined it. Then Germany was absorbed by betas a couple of months later.

All I hope for is a sequel about human politik and backstabbing while counterattacking the BETA (after MLA).

Instead, everything we have and will have is human backstabbing while on the run from BETA.

JUST WHY?

>>140712852
>a dessert of salt

You should use sugar instead

>>140715205
>All I hope for is a sequel
No, I want a prequel about BiS.

>>140712852
>Because they want to ''defend' the land not fucking burn it to pieces
That's beyond stupid though, it clearly isn't an option. Historically a lot of nations have simply burnt down vast swathes of land and ruined their own cities and castles just to marginally hurt the enemy.

>>140711442

Why does that exist?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTx6ZogBbY

>>140711442
Who is this supposed to be

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>>140715339
Why not?

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>>140715379
Curtis LeMay

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>>140715122
Would love if he actually survive and became MC rather than hibiki...

But oh well, that last stand of him was glorious

Melvina maniax when?

>>140715379
General Curtis "Bombs Away" Lemay, commander of the USAF's Strategic Air Command until 1961, where he served as the Chief of Staff of the Air Force. SAC, responsible for nukes and bombers. In terms of firepower, SAC under him was probably the most powerful military force in history. He was also the man who came up with the firebombing strategy against Japan during WWII, greatly contributing to our independence from the Army after the war.

tl;dr a very based motherfucker. Easily the USAF's most infamous general.

>>140715310
They do agree on using Scorched earth tactics but the problem is that every time they had to drop nukes, they need to keep dropping them till the hive where the BETA's came from gets detroyed

I mean america did nuke Saskatchewan because of the BETA threat but found that it didn't completely stop the BETAs.

>>140715188

That was the plan, but it was a bad plan because apparently nukes are too evil for even Beatrix to touch.

MOTHER FUCKER!

>>140715738
they went retarded the moment they started going ''MUHHHH MOTHERLAND MUST PRESERVED''

>>140715738
see
>>140715693

>>140715633
I didn't like how he was such a huge pusher of preemptively nuking all the soviet population centers.

>>140715738
She wouldn't be above using nukes, but not in the way that Schmidt wanted.

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>>140715551

He would have been too good to be an MC, though. Think about it - he's already been to war and more or less achieved an emotional balance with it. He's a cool guy, and is a skilled fighter. He's also white.

So he could never be a main character.

We can only hold out hope in out true hero.

>>140715417
>gulha
Who is this?

>>140715633

Yes, but why is there a loli version of him? This feels like desecration.

>>140715379
>>140715453
>>140715633
>>140715781
he's also infamous for being quoted saying
>My solution to the problem would be to tell the North Vietnamese Communists frankly that they've got to drawn in their horns and stop their aggression or we're going to bomb them into the stone age.
hence the voice bubble drawing in the picture

>>140715883
Manuel Noriega

are you 12?

>>140715781
Some men just want to watch the world burn. Lemay was a madman but he got shit done.

>>140715868
>He's also white.
tumblr pls go
>>140715906
Moe dictators

>>140715907
So he's a true shonen hero who thinks that punching problems solves them, or else you just have to punch harder. He sounds like an idiotic teenager.

These threads still exist? I stopped coming here after I saw that bimbo get a huge fucking knife plunged into her without exploding into a mess.

I was severely disappointed they didn't opt for something gory.

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Talking about nuking the BETA. Not about doing lewd things to them.

>>140715982
Why would she explode into a mess? A giant blade plunging into you kills you but you don't detonate.

>>140715906
Because it's part of a collection of military leaders from the 20th century drawn as cute girls. Get off your high horse anon, I'm a US airman myself and I'd be honored if Japan turned me into a cute girl.

>>140716011
because DUDE GORE LMAO

>>140715821
What other way you could use them?

>>140715907
He wasn't as bad as Thomas Power, the guy who took over after LeMay. Now that guy was crazy. He was a firm believer in maximizing civilian casualties and didn't believe that the distinction between military and civilian targets should exist. General Ripper from Dr. Strangelove was based off of him. Power's most famous quote was

>Restraint? Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards. At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win.

>>140716011
I guess the aftermath is what I meant, I wanted to see what she looked like after the knife was pulled out.

>>140715693

Here's the thing. If you use a nuclear weapon, you can determine the total cost of the lingering radiological products of the bomb. If you're smart and if you use a thermonuclear weapon that derives a high portion of it's yield from it's Teller-Ulam secondary fusion stage rather than the implosion fusion primary, that cost can be surprisingly low.

Then you compare the cost of the radioactive fallout to the cost of stopping a given BETA swarm with conventional weapons. Casualties suffered, machines lost, ammo expended, wear and tear, and so forth.

Then, if the cost of using the nuke is lower than the probable cost of fighting the BETA head-on, then you nuke the fuckers and take your iodine, because letting them grind down your forces is worse than the alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgZP3opIyzY

>>140712889

10/10!

>>140715868
> Walken Remenisence
That really fucking hurt reading that

You know a man that has been through wars and all that he gives his all in every fight and says his sorry that he won;t be joining his family in the after life yet because he survive

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>>140715961

No, he just knew how you solve the problem of screaming fanatics, though.

>>140715907
>or we're going to bomb them into the stone age
Well, you guys tried. Didn't [quite] work out.
>>140716104
>At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win.
What the fuck is this guy talking about? Even if the goal was to obliterate at any cost (this guy needs to play whatever the equivalent of civilization or EU4 was back then desu), he should've said 'if there are two americans and no russians, outnumbering someone 2 to 1 is nowhere near enough to guarantee victory.
>>140716156
That's not true against fanatics though. If you kill [all] of them, they stop fighting, and then your own people have a chance to revolt because you're not doing much better than the fanatics, and the fanatics are the ones defending. The whole point of fanaticism is that their morale is through the roof, especially when they're on the defensive.

>>140715949
>tumblr pls go

But how could wimpy nip okatus inset into a American solider of manful bearing?

>>140715913
You expect me to know some random dictator from some shithole?

>>140715961
At least he never forgot that that reason a military force exists is to kill people and break their shit, unlike most of our modern-day generals.

>>140716242
Yes
or at least have played Black Ops 2

>>140716113
Theo isn't the type to pull out after penetrating a girl.

You'll get your guro though, come Martyrs, and it'll even be with the much hotter/cuter VN version of her too.

Really, the big letdown for me was the lack of sexy Yukarin grunts, screams, and moans during and after penetration.

>>140716232
Damn, that is some awful English.

>>140716277
Is it even worth it? Or was it one of the few good games?

>>140716284
Well it was proably typed by a wimpy nip otaku

>>140716249
>the reason a military force exists is to kill people and break their shit
That's not fucking true though, the reason a military force exists first and foremost has always been to defend your own home, the excess military power can then be used to further your own objectives. Unless your objective is simply to slaughter people, the point of your military should never be to kill as many people as possible. The V-War was never winnable anyway, not even the Americans believed they had an actual casus belli.

>>140716304
Completely worth it
It haS more paths that your average VN

>>140716219
>The whole point of fanaticism is that their morale is through the roof, especially when they're on the defensive.

Right, and so they won't stop fighting, ergo the only way to win is to deny them the ability to continue fighting. Of course, you need to take steps to ensure they don't recover it once your done.

>>140716320
>that's not true
Wanna know how I know you're a civilian? Logistics, Force support, motor pools, records keeping, even if you do all that desk jockey shit, a military forces goal is to kill motherfuckers.

>>140716219
>this guy needs to play whatever the equivalent of civilization or EU4 was back then desu

The amount of retardation in this sentence is astounding.

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>>140716539
>HATO lost Western Europe in two years

gg no re

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>>140716437
Wanna know how I know you've never so much as looked as a history book in your life? Killing is the means, not the end. The end is to fulfill an objective to further the goal of whatever the force is working for.
I'm incredibly tired of people who pretend to know jack about history because muh frontline. No lad, shooting people in the face is not the endgoal of a military's existence, if it was then the existence of a military force could only be justified by the most sadistic fuck who thinks death and destruction is a form of art in and of itself.
The first military forces were often just the strongest dudes in a shitty mudhut village - their main goal tended to be, first and foremost, to protect their own homes, livestock, and women. When they believed they had sufficient power to take by force the valuables of others, they often went ahead and did.
>>140716497
Do you prefer I say vicky? I meant that he needs to realize that the ultimate goal of war has historically never, EVER, been to kill, it's been about removing potential threats to yourself, expanding your boundaries, or acquiring resources / strategic positions for yourself. If all of your own people died in the war, then you've missed the fucking point entirely even if you win.

I don't get why she just threw the gun at her instead of shooting that dumb cunt. RIP Iris.

I don't get why no one patched Iris up when she got shot. It is only 25acp and there were alot of people around whom for some reasons decided to save axmanns fuckboy first.

>>140716687
>>140716627
Drama.

>>140716687
They wanted that boipussy

>>140716575

Eastern Europe only did marginally better, and they were facing a smaller number of BETA.

At least NATO managed to survive as more than a couple of rump states in exile.

>>140716811
That's why the are all living in bongland now

>>140716811
>facing a smaller number of BETA.
explain yourself nato dog.

The lines in east germany was the most important line for europe.

>>140716619
>t's been about removing potential threats to yourself, expanding your boundaries, or acquiring resources / strategic positions for yourself

To clear up some confusion, I'm supporting the LeMay position, not the one from the Strangelove character someone else posted.

And you want to get those things, but you also want to be able to maintain them, which is why it's important to win more than marginal victories.

>>140716859
Honestly speaking it was the most important due to being the only major fortification.
>>140716906
I think the problem with that is that simply bombing Vietnam into submission wouldn't help you 'keep' it, in fact it'd only stir up more anti-American sentiment. Of course, you could make it a desolate wasteland, but that'd hurt your reputation so much it'd do far more damage in the long run.

>>140716619
And I'm incredibly tired of civilian pukes like yourself who think they know about military policy or science.
>all this shitty reference to autistic strategy games
Sure kiddo, warfare to you is just a subject a fascination. For me, it's my profession.

>>140716855

No, the French and British appear to have re-acquired their colonial possessions in Africa and South America and established major enclave settlements, and large numbers of Europeans also settled in Australia.

>>140716859
>explain yourself nato dog.

The BETA established a pair of new Hives following the collapse of East Germany, increasing their numbers on top of the normal growth of the Velsk, Minsk, and the other Hives that the East Germans were facing while they were getting their asses kicked and the year that the ON Line stalled the BETA.

Regardless of how the Stasi coup and the moderate rebellion shook out, it wasn't like the DDR was in any shape to hold on much longer.

>>140717066
Watch that edge son. Dont want to lose your way now do you?

>>140717066
Nigger I'm looking at history books, not games. Shit if I know you've read Livy or not, or if you know jack about Warring States China, or if you know more than the cursory senior high material on the Thirty Years War.
Give me an example of a war where the endgoal was to exterminate.
Just preemptively because I've heard this one as an example forever, no, the Third Punic War wasn't about killing all Carthaginians, it was about removing Carthage as a threat forever.

>>140717092
And this equals to the warsaw pact facing lower number of beta then nato?

>>140717066
>lmao I'm so edgy guise, killing people all day erry day I know all about war even though I'm probably just a shitty soldaten ground fighter xD xD xD
>fugging civilians they don't know shit about how war works XDDDD killing people be my life yo :DDDD
Epic.

Why couldn't they just make a biological bomb or virus that only works on BETAs?

>>140717246
BETA magic

>>140717246
Why couldn't they use...[logical weapon]
Why couldn't they...[logical tactic]
Why didn't they build...[logical way of building a fortress against BETA]
Why can't they...[logical suggestion to build more defensive lines]
Why didn't they stop...[list examples of humans fighting humans]
[repeat ad inifinitum]
The answer is drama.

>>140717208
Not him, but if not in total at least in average per-day amounts because they had new active hives.

>>140717021

As for Vietnam, I think the best case against it was simple cost-benefit. This may have the benefit of hindsight, but worst case scenario is that we let South Vietnam fall and we lose all of Indochina. At that point, the question basically becomes 'so what?'. Singapore was too stable and prosperous to fall to communism, and as horrific as the Khmers Rouge was (and they were), they didn't accomplish much outside their own borders.

And as long as you have Singapore (and Australia, I guess, but that was never really a concern), you retain control over the eastern access to the South China Sea.

>>140717142
>>140717215
>I have no rebuttal so I'll resort to buzzwords
Epig, simply epig

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>>140717246
> Why couldn't they just make a biological bomb or virus that only works on BETAs?
oh believe me they tried doing that but instead of virus that kills BEta they manage to make a virus that only affects humans and the only cure can only be get at a hive reactor. So pic related stopped and decided on giant fucking robots that fires railguns and deploy energy shields

Second the BETAs are really good at adapting

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Reminder that the Stasi is always watching

https://youtu.be/_w4Xulsjo5I

>>140717208

The higher-phase Hives produce more Baters, and each extra Hive raises their output capacity.

>>140717377
>he ignores the one that demands he provide historical examples to support his statement
I'm not involved but this is just sad, I thought that you were delusional but actually had an argument and was sort of interested in seeing it.
>>140717396
The BETA don't adapt at all though.

>>140717396
>Second the BETAs are really good at adapting

What caused this meme? We've never seen any evidence of that begin the case.

>>140717377
>rebuttal
No need when it is just a shitty edgy post. Your former work does not suddenly make your post good or true.


>>140717396
>Second the BETAs are really good at adapting
>1967
>2001
>Grappler is not immune to 23mm
>Tank-class is not immune to 12.7mm
Wew lad.

>>140717363

And it's an attrition war, so that's really all that matters.

>>140717377
What about my post? Did you get shut down because you can't provide an example that doesn't fucking exist and resorted to countering the cherrypicked mocking shitposts? I'll find my post again, here, >>140717155 please argue against it.

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>>140712889
Here to prove you wrong

>>140717396

Yuuko is strange - The game tells me she's a genius, and she manages to pull advanced tech out of her ass impossibly quickly, but she makes almost exclusively terrible decisions.

>>140717363
>>140717415
You are forgetting that the warsaw pact were the first ones to face the BETA before newer weapons and tactics were developed.

And the line has been holding for years even when the DDR refused help.

>>140717528
She's a genius in the sense that she's incredibly good at inventing but that doesn't make her good at anything else.
>>140717535
Yeah but that doesn't mean that the NATO faced less BETA. NATO got fucked really fast and they probably did something retarded to get obliterated so quickly but that doesn't mean they were magically facing fewer BETA.

>>140717377
Just because you were a soldat doesn't magically mean you have authority to override everything someone else says without supporting arguments or even logical statements. It was a shitty post, get over it. Soldaten don't understand tactics and military theory either from the ones I've seen, they're just more experienced with the field and how shit works out in battle.

>>140717528
She is a genius who invent solutions to problems. She may do the absurd plans but that doesn't mean she can do everything


But technically she could fucking threaten the whole world that if they don't obey to her then she would release the virus and effectively taking over the world

Man, I got round and finally watched D83. Damn I get these vibes from Lenore, thats what I imagined Beato to be like when I first read about her, pity how it all turned out.

>>140716687
I mentioned this last thread

It seems like she was given the Schwarzesmarken(black medical tag).
When Theodore arrived at Pariser Platz he mentions that the medical personnel were just about done treating all of the wounded.
But around one certain casualty all the commanding officers of the rebellion, what remained of the 666th and its maintenance personnel were bunched around.

Looks like whatever medical team was there determined she was not going to live with whatever medical resources they had on-site or in reach.

>>140717830
But they did not show that in the anime.

>>140717830
Oh is THAT was Schwaresmarken means? "Can't be saved"?
Shit that makes the entire story feel completely different, it's literally named 'beyond salvation'.

>>140717881

Would the anime end better if it was ended

>The Germany line was Schwaresmarken

>>140717948
No because that'd be gratuitous German and wrong.

>>140717948
Not a fan of forced titledrops, the subtle (since I don't know German) way of just leaving it in the title works fine.

>>140717881
Schwarzesmarken is very improper german for black tag
In mass casualty situations doctors give tags to casualties as they come in. The black tag means that they can do no more for that patient with what they have.

In the VN and LN during the opening, an about to be overrun NVA mech inf battalion officer remarks that a TSF squad is here to save them.
But her dying Sgt mumbles out that the 666th Schwarzesmarken only beings death, they only care about killing their enemies and rescuing allies will not get in the way of that.

So when you see the 666th drop all hope for relief and rescue for you've been given the Schwarzesmarken

>>140718199
It also applies to most of the waifus there and the DDR in general.
Beatrix? Beyond salvation, she's a broken girl.
Lise? Falling for Theo was the end.
Katia? Clinging to a forlorn hope until it's too late.

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>>140715231
I want a do over. 24 eps with a director that understand the source material. Maybe after Age finally catches up with everything else. So in 20 years.

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>>140717535
>>140717584

Well, the commies were fighting for nine years from when the BETA crossed into the Caucasus in ~1974 until the ON Line collapsed in '83. In that time, the front line fell back about 2500 miles; we know they pushed north and then east in a backward 'r' shape rather than moving on the diagonal directly into Central Europe. This means that the Communists lost about 280 miles per year average over those nine years.

Conversely, NATO was for about four years, from the fall of the line until the withdrawal from the last coastal positions in Spain and Portugal. They lost about twelve hundred miles to the BETA in that time, averaging around 300 miles a year. They had more TSFs and modern equipment, but were fighting far more BETA than the USSR was in the second half of the 1970s, and more than the DDR was facing in the 80s.

>>140718292
Lise was almost certainly struck off the records. She says it herself - the dog of the Stasi named Lise Hohenstein doesn't exist.

>>140715205
>All I hope for is a sequel about human politik and backstabbing while counterattacking the BETA (after MLA).

TDA is pretty much like that


But though i really doubt we are ever gonna get another series that focuses after MLA

>>140718327
This guy was manly as fuck. That's what I call dying a hero.

>>140714519
So America used 3 nukes on Canada?

Why didn't everyone else just use 3 nukes too?

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>>140718372

Because the Chinese decided they didn't need help and wanted to monopolize the alien technology.

Unlike the U.S., who had been fighting the BETA on the moon for six years, they had no idea what they were getting into.

>>140718329
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28467549

>>140718476
>they had no idea what they were getting into.
How can they have no idea abou the BETA? It is impossible to fight someone if you have no idea or information about them.

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>>140718372
Only the american forces on TDA have access to nukes

When they finally got control of it after they massacred the forces on NORAD with the help of the IRG and the Jap army. They immediately threaten the French-Canadian alliance to either surrender and agree to the new allied alliance so they can fuck some BETA hives or have their last remaning bases and forces to be nuked out of earth to end their suffering.

And then they agreed to go with the first option

>>140718372
No, they nuke until the hive and half of Canada was wasted. The problem is that was only a core hive.

>>140718518

They had information, but they hadn't actually fought them. Plus, for a number of reasons, the BETA will be much more dangerous on Earth than the Moon; the lasers can use conductive/convective cooling and the horizon is further away, and all the strains won't suffer pressure embolisms every time you shoot them.

>>140718690

They say that, and yet it doesn't make any sense. There should have been a highly radioactive zone near the impact, but 'half of Canada' is just stupid. age can't nuclear weapons, though, so it's hardly unexpected.

>>140718752
>the lasers
You are aware that no one knew about lasers?

>>140710491
Didn't they decide to nuke the whole earth after these few emergency ships left for that alternate earth?

>>140718773

What makes you say that?

Do you guys like Swarchzesmarken or Total eclipse more?

>>140718831
Because it came as a complete surprise to everyone and no major forces was raping the BETA on the moon hovering above them that there would be a need for shooting things down.

The chinese were actually raping the BETA for 19 days. The time it takes for the superior to get his shit together.

>>140718874
They are both shit so no.

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Lise a shit

>>140718874
I enjoyed both, but that doesn't make them less shit.

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>>140718912
0/10 bait apply yourself.

>>140718752
>There should have been a highly radioactive zone near the impact
I wonder about that too. Maybe they decide to nuke every Beta they sighted out of fear they might dig a new hive some where. The Canada's was the second core landed on Earth 1 year after the first, so they couldn't had much information about hem.

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You're the best, Drawanon. Keep it up.

>>140719060

Eh, we know they nuked them immediately or shortly after landing. They wouldn't have had time to get very far, and most would have been caught in a major blast targeted on the lander anyway. Plus, once they're scattered, conventional bombing would work just as well.

Remember, these are the same writers who came up with Red Shift as something other than a joke. They don't know anything about nuclear weapons, so I'm not sure there is a logical explanation.

>>140718901
>hovering above them that there would be a need for shooting things down

>Not knowing about artillery

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>>140716115
Thinking that iodine will help with any radiation exposure.

>>140719424
Okay please tell me when humanity on the moon absolutely raped the beta day after day using hordes of artillery and space ships shooting directly down on them and containing them near their hives?

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>>140719426

It's a figure of speech; it means stop bitching about the radiation and be glad there isn't an alien eating your face.

Nice anime thread.

>>140719268
Nice!!

>>140718874
They are both dumb. They focus too much on politics and weak characters no one cares about.

They need to just do a show that has more about fighting beta.

Both of these shows had almost no fights showing beta.

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>>140719496

The part where they managed to fight for six years without being destroyed. That's the big thing.

You're also assuming a lot about how successful the Chinese were being. Winning =/= 'raping', and the fact that they were fighting with some measure of effectiveness doesn't even mean that.

You should go back to Call of Duty, because what your saying and your choice of words indicates that's where you learned grand stragety.

>>140718874
I'd enjoyed more fights with the BETA tbqh fampai
Too bad both shows failed in that regard

>>140719723
>I have not read the integral works, the post.
Im afraid you should go back to call of duty, with your lack of knowledge it would be the best for you.

>>140710491

Which anime technology can beat the beta? Can gundams beat the BETA?

>>140719881
Ttgl

>>140719832

The information Integral Works provided on the Lunar War was limited and contradictory; it goes out of its way to emphasis how bad the fighting was then fails to explain how the hell it lasted half as long as it did.

And that doesn't even touch on the fact that whoever wrote that section clearly knows nothing about... the Moon, the effects of vacuum, GRAVITY, and and number of other minor details.

>>140717506
meiya is a contender but top tsun is shit tier.

>>140719881

No, Gundams are super robots that use shonen technology.

>>140718874
I honestly would love the two if they had more BETA vs TSF fights. Too bad they wouldn't adapt the VN's that have so much BETA VS TSF scenarios

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>>140719934
Welcome to muv-luv, where information contradict one and other due to how poor this whole setting is.

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>>140718823
Not nukes, Gravity bombs which totally fuck over the planet

>>140718327
tl;dr HATO can't fight for shit

>>140719966
How are they worse than Muv Luv robots?

>>140720362
Muv luv robots are fragile as fuck

Even a retard like Grappler kun can fuck them over

>>140720429
So Gundams would perform much better actually.

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>>140718275
>Lise? Falling for Theo was the end.

It was also the only thing that kept them both alive. Sure it was also her undoing but she was dead the moment they were caught. Maybe it wasn't too late for her but things don't always turn out pretty, especially during a civil war in the middle of an invasion.

>>140720458
Not perform better, they can probably be win against the BETA effortlessly with their giant laser swords and seeming inexhaustible fuel.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4
But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g

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>>140715117

You're sitting in the cell phone parking lot at the airport, waiting for the girls to return from another event in Japan. Lise managed to get enough tickets for herself, Irisdina, Beatrix, and Inghild, who was impersonating Katia with the strategic use of a binder under her combat fatigues. Since Lise was the only girl who spoke Japanese, it was pretty easy for her to keep her cover, and in any case Inghild had a "sore throat" that prevented fans from speaking to her even if they did know English or German.

The girls cram themselves into the car. Irisdina was given the front seat, and Lise, who normally sits there, is crammed into the middle between Beatrix and Inghild because she's the smallest girl there. You drop the girls off at their respective houses. They could use some time apart, and drive Lise back to yours. She's since moved to the front seat after Iris vacated it, and is watching you drive expectantly. It's a little distracting. You'd like to stare back, because you haven't seen each other for almost two weeks. It was honestly easier when she was in the middle seat, and you could watch each other through the rear view mirror.

You get home, and she leads you into the shower. She's just been flying and in and out of airports for far too long, and would like to freshen herself up a little bit, but there's another reason. As a recovering Stasi spy, watching out for bugs and eavesdroppers is second nature for her, Often, if she has something really important to say, she'd prefer to say it in the shower, under a stream of water, with music playing in the background. Lise presses herself into you.

"I got to talk to the authors alone for a while. I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement, but at least I know how he finally goes. We did it. We won."

She smiles happily as she starts washing her hair.

>>140721127
So Lise gets filled in on his final fate and now we just have to wait for Age to kill off the Master. I guess the healing ride never ends either. Good.

>>140721127

You expected Theo to cross over the very night Lise returned from her trip abroad. He didn't. You don't know the details, but it's clear that right now he has more important things to do, and Lise won't give you any details about her brother other than to say, "He's Fine."

You would be worried about what this means for the two of you, except that since she returned from Japan, she's actually started to get serious about this whole marriage thing. Right now, you're heading to a bridal store on an early lunch break. You hadn't planned to take part in this stage of the preparations, but you got texts from Beatrix and Lise's mother telling you to get over there right away. That's usually not a good thing, so you hop in your car and make the fifteen minute drive over to the store.

When you get there, you hear a mournful weeping in the back of the store. It's a pretty familiar sound to you, and you the staff and other patrons, and head strait back, where Lise has locked herself in a changing room crying her eyes out. You get the story from Beatrix. Apparently, Lise had a nice blue dress picked out that matched her eyes (and the ribbons) pretty well. Beatrix and her mother both thought the dress was cute, but the saleswoman had tried a little too hard to convince Lise to wear a white dress, unaware of the emotional baggage a suggestion like that would dredge up from the depths of Lise's psyche.

"Shhhh."

You hold Lise gently in your arms and rub her back, letting her cry it out. You don't have a handkerchief on you, so instead, you grab the hem of the white dress the stylist had insisted Lise try on, and get her to blow her nose into the skirt. The snot is lost in an endless morass of lace and ruffles. They'll find it later. Probably. That part isn't your problem. They should have gotten the hint the first time. You have to go back to work in these clothes, and you'd prefer not to have to have a streak of boogers down your front.

Pastebin of Schwarzesmarken '86 and alternate stories set in the same continuity so far. I actually dozed off in the middle of writing Part 3. Here is where I'm going to continue from >>140694062

http://pastebin.com/s2JFnkwb
http://pastebin.com/ps1N1bc3

Theo's cassette collection:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRG_5R6fiHfRkrpS3-w2a5n08XHc7BSdU

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>>140716687
>for some reasons decided to save axmanns fuckboy first
They probably wanted to get some info out of him. I find it hilarious that they gagged him, like, did he start talking shit to them the moment they found him? Telling them to fuck off and calling them terrorists, so they wanted to shut him? I can't see any other reason. He looks pretty angry.

>>140721924
They're about to stick it in the ass, and they have a cock twice as wide as Axmann's.

>>140721924

That thing isn't just a gag, it's so he can't kill himself by biting his tongue off. Which he's going to want to do.

>>140721998
How do you know that anon?

>>140722037
>kill himself by biting his tongue off
Is that a thing?

>>140722126
Oh yeah. That and biting a cyanide capsule contained within a hollow tooth. Gagging would prevent that too.

>>140722126
Yes, you can die if you get your tongue cut off there's a massive amount of blood loss.
>>140722090
Because they raped me too

>>140721912
Please continue

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>>140720892

>>140710491
Is it possible to just build some kind of gigantic impenetrable wall enclosure, lure all the BETA into it, trap them inside, and just fire away at them with every damn weapon they have out there? Then rinse and repeat?

>>140722159
>cyanide capsule
I've always wondered why cyanide. Shouldn't there be some other lethal poison you could put in the capsule that doesn't make you suffer as horribly as cyanide?

>>140721912
>Asia

A cuckgroup, and even a cucksong, but I`m okay with it.

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>>140722475
I had this sort of idea a few threads back. Blue is taller than black, black has artillery.

>>140721885
>white dress triggers Lise

I'm lost.

>>140722515
Cyanide is cheap and easy to make, highly toxic, and you lose consciousness really fast and die soon after.

>>140721885

Eventually, you calm her down, and convince her that instead of going for the big traditional wedding (Whose tradition is it, anyway?) maybe you wouldn't be better off with a small ceremony at the courthouse? It worked out more than well enough for Beatrix. Maybe something a little less gauzy. Lise nods. In any case, she's probably not going to be buying anything here. You leave her with the other two, and head back to work.

That night, you come home and the terrible trio are in your house, along with Farka and Pham. Pham was the eventual owner of the bunk bed that had once been the wolf's den, and after that chaotic first night, they had decided to be roommates. It was pretty strange at first, having Irisdina sharing an apartment with the former Werewolf, but in a way that just goes to show how far they had all come. She managed to be a little more welcoming once it became clear to her that, like Beatrix and Lise, Farka did not have the final say on her professional affiliations, and while her loyalty to the Werewolves was completely sincere, it was due in no small part to the fact that there was absolutely nobody else in the world she could turn to.

Lise, by this point, is laughing and giggling. She's holding a flat cardboard box in her hands and whispering excitedly to the others. Your curiosity overwhelms you.

"Can I see it?"

"NO!"

Lise reflexively hides the box behind her back.

"What's it look like?"

"Not telling~"

You give up, and head to the beer for a fridge. As you pull the can out, you hear a chorus behind you

"Get me one."

"And me."

"Ooh, I need one."

"Can I have one?"

"Of course Farka. Oh, and get me one too."

Soon enough, everyone has been served, and the six-pack you had hoped would last the better part of a week is suddenly gone. It's a bit of a shame, too, It was a fru-fru small-bath microbrew IPA you had been looking forward to since your favorite brewery had announced it was making it.

>>140722825
>Whose tradition is it, anyway?
Everyone's, weddings have always been a big deal.

>>140722535
They should build one right next to the sea. Then they can fire on the BETA from ships in the relative safety of the sea to avoid direct confrontation with things like laser class. After they're done, just dispose of the bodies into the ocean.

>>140715453
>Known nickname: "Bombs Away LeMay"
thats just perfect

>>140722901
I want archmages in Muv Luv. BETA are already magical anyway.

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>>140722825
>You give up, and head to the beer for a fridge. As you pull the can out, you hear a chorus behind you
>"Get me one."
>"And me."
>"Ooh, I need one."
>"Can I have one?"
>"Of course Farka. Oh, and get me one too."

Oktoberfest with these girls when the time rolls around is going to be amazing.

>>140721912
Yeah!

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Can someone point me to nude edit of picrelated?
I need it for reasons.

>>140724115
Why would she be naked

>>140718275
But Katia was the one who turned out to be right and survived.

>>140724187
For reasons!

>>140724195
Everyone knows she's right, humans fighting humans is retarded when the BETA are coming but that doesn't mean she could do anything about it.

>>140724287
Beatrix and Axmann had to die though. There could never be a happy ending so long as those two were living.

>>140724371
Especially with Axmann around.

>>140724422
Wasn't Beatrix the one giving Axmann all the orders though?

>>140724493
In her dreams, maybe.
Are you sure you`ve watched the series?

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Yui, Inia and Cryska are my waifus.

>>140724493
He was her highter up so I doubt it.
Lieutenant colonel > major.

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>>140724618
>multiple waifus

>>140724621
Being a brand new major didn't stop Beatrix from taking control of both the Stasi and basically becoming the dictator of the DDR.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that a girl who just turned 23 and put on major would be able to do all that, but anime is anime, right?

>>140724724
She's not just any girl though, that's the point. She's quite literally a fucking genius and getting people to move for her.

>>140724724
Most likely all the other highter ups were dead/had fled.

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>>140724724
Beatrix is a genius who managed to outmaneuver Heim and most of his much more experienced staff despite having severe numerical disadvantages, was extremely charismatic, and was a monster in politics. She's probably the most intelligent person in Schwarzesmarken. Too bad her brilliance was put towards twisted means.

>>140724724
LN is LN you mean. Its quite clear in the original, who is trying to pull whose strings, and Schmidt, Axmann and Beatrix are trying to play each other. They all fail.

>>140724972
This shit is outright painful to read.

>>140725030
But that's actually how she's presented - a charismatic genius at politics. Whether or not you like her is completely irrelevant, we're informed that she's good at moving up.

>>140724972
Heim is an incompetent imbecile, so being able to beat him doesn't prove anything. The most intelligent characters in SM would probably be Axmann, Katia, Iris, and Gretel. Beatrix is of normal intelligence, probably just above Theo. It's her charisma that makes her dangerous.

>>140725131
>Katia
If she IS intelligent, she's crippled, hamstrung, tied up like a turkey and blinded by her naivety.

>>140725120
It`s not me liking or disliking her, but pathetic bullshit author is trying to push.

Why don't they just blow up the infested planets?
They have more than a few, right?

>>140722825
>hanging out with 5 drunks

Anon, I..

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>>140724707
Harem end is best end.

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>>140725359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sJkwBo2T4w

Good times. They seem like they'd be a riot to hang out with.

>>140725131
>Kaita
>Intelligent

Shes an innocent little ball of hope filled naivety who always had someone else willing to do all the heavy lifting for her. Charismatic? Yes. Intelligent? No.

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>>140725528
>head-canon is best canon

I know Uchida isn't into politics, but still, they way they treat East Germany in there deserves better. The Stasi are portrayed as Gestapo and are using fascist symbolism which was banned in the GDR, Beato advocates policies that contradict pretty much all socialist concepts of the SUP and in the end you have a bunch of teens trying to get "a country for the people" through a coup.

For fuck's sake, even the USSR in TE was portrayed more adequately.

>>140725537
Katia in the healfic when

>>140725359
>5 drunks
They're German. They'd probably all outlast anon in drinking. With the exception of Pham because she's Vietnamese, they all probably have the right gene.
See:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2010.01317.x/abstract

>>140725701
...is she dead?

>>140725701
Not until she learns what real suffering really is instead of just watching everyone else suffer.

>>140725685
USSR was just as shit in TE as DDR is in SM.
Muh russians making everybody else fight is beyond laughable for anyone who knows what a kikefest it was.

>>140725131
Nah, Beatrix is literally the most intelligent person in Schwarzesmarken. You could argue if her overall goals were stupid or not, but the way she implements them shows she's a genius, especially as young as she is.

>>140725851
I don''t really care, Katia is a moeblob and I like her.

>>140725851
She feeds on buttpain in SM threads.

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>>140725914
I like her too, but shes the least punished and the most rewarded.

>>140725992
>Buttpained
Why can't Katiafags take criticism?

>>140726210
>criticism

Please stop substituting your hallucinations for sad reality of widespread buttpain in SM threads.

>>140726210
>but shes the least punished and the most rewarded.

I actually really like that, simply cause it fits so well with the crappy universe of the series. Go ahead and work you ass off for something just for someone else to swoop in and get all the credit, it's so very Muv Luv it's not even funny.

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>>140726210
He's not a Katiafag. True Katiafags don't shitpost, just like Sumikafags.
>>140726309
There's zero asspain against Katia, the only asspain in SM threads hates on Theo.

>>140722825

The day you've always dreaded has finally arrived. No, not your wedding to Lise, but that inches ever closer. No, It's Oktoberfest. You're in the clearing where you went stargazing with Lise, instead of there just being the two of you, Everyone is there, even some people that you never met before, like Walther's boss and some of Beatrix's coworkers at the cocktail bar. Lise is wearing a pink dirndl she made herself, and is moving through the surprisingly large crowd with mugs of beer that more closely resemble buckets than they do glasses.

As for the beer, well, there are several options. Beatrix managed to get a few kegs from work, and apparently Walther and Jurgen made a brew of their own from scratch. There's sausages sizzling on a huge open-topped grill made from a 55 gallon drum that was cut in half and set end to end and Farka just licked Beatrix's ear. You turn in shock.

"WHADDAYA MEAN I CAN'T HOLD MY LIQUOR? DAS THE KIND OF LICK 'ER RIGHT THERE."

You grab a mug of beer out of Lise's arms and start chugging. You need plausible deniability if this ever comes up again. Thankfully, it's the cheap swill Beatrix brought from work. Walther and Jurgen's brew is actually quite good, a dark, hearty brew that has a blood red tone when you hold it up to the sun. Of course, Jurgen named it after his own love. Mrs. Hohenstein has the Bernhard's baby in her hand. She dipped her finger in the foam atop her own mug, and the baby is happily sucking on it. Suddenly Lise grabs your arm, and pulls you towards a dance floor made from several slabs of oriented strand board that have been laid down in a flat patch of the clearing.

You hold Lise in one arm and your beer in the other as you spin across the inexpensive lumber product. Now this is what you came here for. The world around you melts away into nothing as you step in time to the music blaring in the back ground, and soon it feels as though there is nothing left in the world but you and her.

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>>140726589
>There's sausages sizzling on a huge open-topped grill made from a 55 gallon drum that was cut in half and set end to end and Farka just licked Beatrix's ear

>Lise is wearing a pink dirndl she made herself, and is moving through the surprisingly large crowd with mugs of beer that more closely resemble buckets than they do glasses.

>>140726589
What Farka was even transported out of the 4?

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>>140726589
They all should be in dirndls. I know Beatrix and Iris at least have one.

>>140726589
I can never understand liquor fans. Beer tastes like shit, and I speak as a person who can adapt to well any dish and have like three different foods on my shit list - Wine, Beer, and low-quality french fries.

>>140726842
Of course beer tastes like shit when you drink shit beer, and wine.
Especially wine.

>>140725879
If she was a genius, why did she lose?

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>>140726826
LN Farka is probably an amalgamation of the four in the anime. She'd probably be closest to Katarina in looks and personality though.

>>140726904
She would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.

>>140726901
Recommend me good beer then, because I've been dragged around by people telling me 'you just haven't had the good stuff' a lot and every single time it tastes like what I imagine molten rubber would taste like.

>>140726939
So a genius lost to some kids?

>>140726964
You can't beat kids.

>>140726904
Because she'd have to have been fucking prophetic to see Saint Ursula coming.

Logistics didn't favor her either. The rebels could bust a few machines, lose a few people, and have them all replaced. The Werewolves just didn't have the supplies for a drawn out fight like the NVA or rebels.

>>140726964
>>140726904
Genius doesn't mean invincibility or perfect foresight.
The greatest soldier can be taken out by a sniper he didn't notice. The strongest man can be killed by a style he's never seen, the greatest swordsman can be taken out by a cheap trick, and the best plan can be foiled by fools.

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>>140726589
This is why you're great healanon. You read what people comment and find great ways to incorporate the various ideas. Like this.

>>140727079
When will he bring St. Ursala? I want to see the moeblob in its natural habitat.

>>140726942

Deschutes Red Chair, Deschutes Black Butte Porter, Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale, Deschutes Inversion IPA, Deschutes Obsidian Stout

Basically everything Deschutes makes is good, actually.

If you want something a little easier on the palette, Modelo Especial is my go-to for cheap, light beer. It's easy drinking, but the flavor is still pretty subtle and complex compared to a lot of US lagers.

>>140727007
>The Werewolves just didn't have the supplies for a drawn out fight like the NVA or rebels
If they didn't have supplies for the win, shouldn't have fought at that time. Doesn't seem a genial decision to me.

>>140726589
Next day, Theo shows up.

>>140727153
I've drank Deschuts. It's slightly less liquid rubber than the rest but it's still pretty bad.
I dunno man, it seems to me like it's like cigarettes - tastes like shit, feels like shit, but it's an acquired taste and you start and keep going because it's rad and cool. I mean historically the whole point of beer was that it was often cleaner than the water and people drank it because of that, not because it tastes good.

>>140727038
>The greatest soldier can be taken out by a sniper he didn't notice. The strongest man can be killed by a style he's never seen, the greatest swordsman can be taken out by a cheap trick
All of that have nothing to do with intellect.
>the best plan can be foiled by fools
That just means that plan was made by retard if it could be ruined by some fools.

>>140727176
Ever heard of blitzkrieg or shock and awe? You don't have to beat an enemy in a straight up fight, just demoralize them or get them to the negotiation table, which was what Beatrix was trying to do.

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>>140727079

It's way harder to write when nobody is saying anything, you guys mention things about the stories that I don't always notice when I write them.

>>140726838

Dirndls are God tier. If a girl can look even remotely attractive in anything, she'll look even better in a Dirndl with a couple of mugs of beer in her hands.

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>>140726942
If you can find some Polish or Czech stuff then try some of that, unfortunately it's expensive here, 3 times the price of local beer, which is still relatively decent but can't really hold a candle to a nice Tatra.

tl;dr it's all subjective, tastebuds always are, where you live, how you've been raised, your diet all affect your taste, since I'm balkan trash I'm pretty much fine with anything.
Pic related, favorite local beer, it's a light beer, unlike the dark ones I recommend.

>>140727176
They did have better equipment on their side.

But my guess is they were banking on the people keeping their heads down like the obedient sheep they were instead of an uprising happening. Hell, the uprising almost didn't happen either thanks to Iris being captured and everyone being a faggot about it until Ursula stepped up to be their icon.

>>140727292
But she failed. That means she greatly overestimated her power. Still nothing genius here.

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>>140727413
You`re talking to insane beatofag. Why?

>>140727451
Jurgen really is a lucky man.

>>140727393
>Hell, the uprising almost didn't happen either thanks to Iris being captured
I don't understand why didn't just kill Iris right away? That could gave Stasi the win. Where was Ax even taking her in the end? He decided to shoot her eventually, but why so fucking late?

>>140727266
>That just means that plan was made by retard if it could be ruined by some fools.
That's completely untrue. Fools are the greatest threat to 'geniuses', because fools act in a manner geniuses can't even pretend to understand. Katia is fucking insane by SM standards, she's not even from the same story hell not even the same genre. How do you plan for someone like her?
Historically ZGL opened the city gates to an ungarrisoned city in face of overwhelming force and pretended to be unconcerned in plain view. The enemy strategist knew that this was fishy and called off the attack. A total moron wouldn't have fallen for it because he couldn't see past the obvious 'hurr open city'.
There's a saying - a man outsmarts a fool, a genius outsmarts a man, but only a fool can outsmart a genius. That applies here - Beatrix can't possibly outplan Katia.
>>140727176
They didn't have supplies for a long, drawn out fight, but they had the shock value and instantaneous force to go for a coup. There's a reason she chose the time when nobody was around to throw it, because she knew she wouldn't win if she had to actually fight an organized counterattack.
>>140727413
She failed because she didn't expect Iris and gang to attack her and Katia.

>>140710491
Am I back to when TE was airing?

>>140727619
>She failed because she didn't expect Iris and gang to attack her and Katia
The she is a fool.

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Since there seems to be so much "Beatrix should've been aborted" or "Lise should be killed" commentary, I'm curious as to how many of you don't think the stasi girls deserve life.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10058270

>>140727619
>Katia is fucking insane by SM standards
>german unification is insane

Get the fuck outta here, commie shill.

>>140727550
If the anime is any indication, it's because Bea wanted Iris to see her succeed. To see that it was her, not Iris who brought the ideals of Jurgen to life.

Why would Ketchup go with it I have no idea, maybe he did it to distract Bea while he was taking over himself? maybe he wanted a replacement honeypot after losing Lise to the werewolves? (Cause let's face it, Iris would make for an excellent honeypot) who knows? maybe the LN or the VN will go into more details about cause as a filthy anime secondary, those are the only explanations I can come up with that make sense

>>140727680
>captured Iris, thus neutralizing the 666 as far as Beatrix could know
>out of nowhere Ursula pops up
Genius is not equivalent to perfect precognition or omniscience. Ursala was a fucking nobody who showed up recently, and the few if any records of her existence surely did not mention her eccentric (to say the least) personality. How could you possibly expect a new and at-least-as-charismatic-as-Iris leader to pop up out of nowhere and actually motivate people to fight her in the narrow timeframe that a coup would take?
>>140727748
No, but her ridiculous 'I'm 10 years old ama' naivety [is] insane by MS standards. Shit even the ten year olds probably aren't as naive.

>>140727685
4/4 for healing
Now this I can get behind

>>140727794
It's weird, but I don't think either really would've been happy with the other's death. They may feel like they want it, but they'd be pretty torn up after wards, just like Iris was sad to see Beatrix's dead TSF at the end.

>>140727685
Mercy and forgiveness is ~always~ an option anon.

>>140727999
Beatrix would've had very little if anything left at that point, which is probably why she had suicide as part of her plan.

>>140728038
Cuck harder senpai.

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>>140728101
Do you not believe in redemption and reconciliation anon?

>>140728177
>>140728276
Je suis Lise, motherfuckers!

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>>140728276
Your post pic doesn't, for some men are beyond the Lord's power to save.
>>140728314
What're you even talking about

>>140728351
I think the Frog is surrendering?

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>>140727685
We have edgelords among our number.

>>140728423
Where do you see a frog?

>>140726589

As the song finishes, you head to the makeshift bar, which Beatrix is now behind, running the show. The actual, professional bartenders she invited are enjoying a night off, while she holds down the fort. She hands you and Lise a mug each of the home brew Jurgen and Walther came up with. Walther has disappeared along with Sylvia. You begin to wonder where they got off to until you notice the pick-up truck they arrived in bouncing on its springs. You grin and turn to Lise, who is preemptively wagging a finger at you.

"No. Not while my parents are still awake."

You look around, and Mr Hohenstein is napping in a chair and his wife has now taken charge of both babies while Inghild and Marco tear up the dance floor. Inghild is a girl who was purpose built to wear a dirndl, or rather, the dirndl exists for girls like her. You become aware of yourself and avert your gaze, staring instead into Lise's eyes. She grins.

"Good boy."

She reaches up on her tip toes and pecks you on the lips, then takes a long sip of beer. You haven't been counting, but you are pretty sure you've fallen behind everyone else at the party, but it's not like you feel pressured to keep up. Rather, you've resigned yourself to the fact that even the smallest, lightest girl in the party can drink her weight in beer, while you are a mere mortal. That girl has finished her beer and is being served again by her best friend, while you are still hardly a quarter into the beer in front of you. You follow her to the edge of the clearing and she puts the beer to her lips.

"How can you even drink that much? Wouldn't you have to constantly go to the bath-- oh."

You look down. Lise's feet are about two feet apart from one another. She's multitasking. It seems there are advantages to wearing a skirt, though it this does mean that she's gone the entire day without wearing underwear. She follows your gaze down to the puddle spreading between her legs and grins. She grins like she's proud of herself.

>>140728424
It's ironic that the two most edgy waifus get the least edgy fanbase while the least edgy girls, like Katia, have a bunch of sadistic fucks in their fanbase.

>>140728476
The qitted pist up sounds like Fronk

>>140728510
>removing psychomaniac murderers is somehow sadism

We`ll need two helicopters for this.

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>>140728493
Am I reading about Lise, or Katia?

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>>140727685
Considering how she became a "stasi girl" I can't understand why anyone would hate Lise.

>>140728493
Is she...pissing herself? Not a fan of this development.
>>140728510
I'm a Katiafag and a Sumikafag (although neither is my waifu, I'm just a fan of them) but I'm not sadistic.
It's just that people who don't like Lise and Beatrix tend to want to murder them.
>>140728585
'scuse me?
>>140728594
>you can either kill them
>or you can heal / "save" them, since it was within your power to do so as stipulated by the original question
>I'll kill them because
That's like the definition of edgy.

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>>140728424
>>140728510
It seems we have yet another type of edgy faggot on the poll

>>140728637
>what is agency

Will the Earth ever be saved from BETAs? Will Takeru forever be stuck in an endless loop?

>>140728734
>Will the Earth ever be saved from BETAs?
That'd kill the series, so no.

>>140728670
>>140728600


She's not pissing herself, she's taking a piss in the woods.

>>140728670
It`s the definition of the right thing to do. You don`t "heal" serial killers, you remove them.

>>140728860
Kinda holds true for burgers as well, can't save, just put down.

>>140728860
No, it isn't. You remove serial killers because it is highly unlikely that they will become productive citizens and because the risk you take by letting them live often results in further casualties.The condition of the question is that 'You have the ability to do any of the below', aka you are ABLE to heal them and make them productive citizens. The reason serial killers are put into life prison or executed isn't because you want revenge or 'they get what's coming to them', it's because you aren't confident that you can save them and the expected loss from letting them live outweighs the expected gain from letting them live. Assuming you had the ability to make failure rate 0%, there is no reason whatsoever Jack the Ripper cannot be allowed to live as a normal person after being 'healed'.

>>140728860
How do you feel about the 100+ part story ITT featuring 'healing' a bunch of serial killers?

>>140729057
>reading fan fiction
Wouldn't know

>>140729205
Why are you still here then?

>>140729205
Seems obvious you're in the wrong thread then.

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>>140728819
...that is gross yet deviously ingenious if you really think about it.

A lot of people are going to be smashed after tonight.

>>140729325
You've never pissed in the bushes? I think every kid did that at least once.

>>140729057
It failed the moment Axmann was killed.
Because he would be the one true healer.

>>140729246
I didn't know this was the SM fan fiction club thread

Otherwise its clear that this thread isn't 100% fanfiction discussion unless youre counting the anime as one of course

>>140729412
No, I'm genuinely asking, why are you still here?
What kept you around this long if not for healfic?

>>140729403
Ax has better things to do than bully a bunch of teenagers and young adults now.
Much grander things.

>>140729023
>blahblahblah pathetic bullshit the post

The damage to society is done, and those that did it get removed.
End of story.

>>140729465
True, there is a possibility he will heal the whole of America now.

>serving in leftoid removal squad under Ax

>>140729453
I like talking about SM, it's the only Muv Luv VN LN I've read
Aside from the FF you guys are still taking about the series and discuss topics related to it as well

>>140729023
It really comes down to whether or not you believe Beatrix and Lise are innately evil. Some people think they'd still be killing and torturing if removed from their shit situation, others don't.

>>140729412
>Count the anime as fan fiction

Might as well considering how it turned out. It will be interesting to see how opinions and character popularity changes when the VN comes out in english, let alone if the LN ever does, and of course Martyrs sometime after.

>>140729658
They would, you're born a killer, it's literally in your genes, no amount of shit happening would change that.

>>140728493

"What are you--"

"I'm answering your question. You can't drink ten or fifteen liters of beer and not have to go to the bathroom."

"I'm not sure I needed that kind of answer."

"You followed me here. Why would I be going into the woods? To look for a bear?"

Lise giggles at you like she's some sort of comedic genius. Things seem to be quickly getting out of hand, as she stumbles back into the clearing for more beer. Right now, you've got a tiger by the tail, and it's all you can do to hold on until she stops her rampage. Now, she's waking up her father, and making him chug a beer. With that accomplished, She turns her attention to Irisdina Bernhard, who doesn't seem to be drinking much.

"Come on, Iris. Your brother made this. He MADE it. You can't not drink it. Try some."

Iris had actually been drinking her brother's brew the entire night, but Lise apparently doesn't care. She topped up Iris' mug from her own, and is trying to get her to chug it. Her eyes flick over to you, as if silently begging for help, but you shrug helplessly. Iris chokes down the beer. She can't stop drinking, because Lise is the one holding the mug. It eventually empties. Iris managed not to get any on her dress, despite the sheer violence with which Lise was holding the mug. You grab the smaller girl by the shoulder.

"Lise, you need to slow down."

"YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN!"

Lise repeats back what you said, and then doubles over laughing.

"Oh Jesus Christ."

You grab her own mug out of her hands, chug it's contents, then toss the girl over your shoulders and try to figure out what to do with her. You jump, as you become aware of a pair of hands sliding down the back of your shorts and cupping your butt cheeks.

"Ha! I got you!" Lise shouts in triumph.

"Actually, you can go ahead and keep doing that." It's not like she wasn't gonna, but it's not as if you mind. You're more worried about what comes next.