anti-Monaka fags: BTFO T F O

Is Monaka even stronger than Beerus himself?

>>140595881
I'm not really sure why Hit faked his loss. Out of respect for Goku? Even when it meant he would lose his reward and potentially his life at the hands of Champa?

I'm just not buying that Hit would risk such a thing, and I'm not sure Earth being in U6 would be such a catastrophe... in fact, Goku seemed so pleased with the warriors in U6 that it seemed as if he wanted to go there....

I'm not really complaining though, just thinking out loud here. It always amazes me how Dragon Ball can be so simple yet unpredictable.

>>140596172
>Hit faked his loss.

>>140596172
>Hit faked his loss.

>>140596231
Eh, bad way of phrasing it. Hit threw the match, is what I meant.

>>140596270
stop making shit up
monaka beat him

>>140596270
>>140596172
hitfags in denial

Is Monaka's power being kawaii?

>>140596299
Uh, yeah Monaka was victorious. No disputing that.

But Hit lost.... on purpose. As in, if he were fighting seriously, he would have mopped the floor with Bitchtits McOnsie.

>>140596172
Hit doesn't like Champa much

>>140596375
It's whatever Mr Satan's power is. So, being the Champ.

>>140596413
>But Hit lost.... on purpose.
that doesn't make sense
why would he lose on purpose?
monaka is just stronger than him

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>Scared as fuck
>He's about to cry
>Grows a pair and attacks Hit

The hero of universe 7

So is this just 18 throwing the match for Satan?

>>140596172
I guess Goku gave Hit a new perspective. He was basically Coldsteeel before meeting him.
I hope he gets to become a regular character. I enjoyed him much more than I thought I would.

Can someone tell me why goku lost

Its sad to see the Dragon Ball I once loved in this state. Someone put Toriyama out of his misery, DBM is better at this point.

>>140596533
>why would he lose on purpose?

As I stated in my original post, I'm not sure myself, to be honest.

But, I mean, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? No way Monaka won for real.

>>140596662
Wanted to see Monaka fight.

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>>140595881
funniest episode this far

>>140596172

He knew he would already lose to Monaka even if he fought seriously so he surrendered before shit would hit the fan

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>>140596617
>He was basically Coldsteeel before meeting him.

>>140596662
Son-san wanted to have a real fight with Hit. One with no rules, so that Hit could go all out and use the assassination techniques that he was banned from using due to the tournaments No Kill rule.

>>140596825
>Assassin
>Hands in pockets
>Pretends to be asleep the whole time
>Purple
How much more edgy did he need to look before this episode?

>>140596617

>Next DB movie

>Hit trains with Goku and Vegeta

>Fucks up big time and sends them back in time to an alternate dimension where everyone is strong as bananas

>Red Ribbon Army took over the Universe and is much more stronger than it was in original DB

>Kid Vegeta now has to train Kid Goku because he's a chump power-wise.

>Dragon Ball: Redo

>>140596172
it was a big fuck you to Champa (who he probably thought could handle with his improved time-skip)

>>140596720
Hey, have you ever hit your knee on a table? It hurts in a strange way man.

So, I don't get it. Beerus was scared of SSB Kaioken x10, and Champa almost shat his pants when Goku and Hit looked at him. So why were Champa and Beerus talking shit? Was it because Goku and Hit were so tired? Or are they actually stronger?

Also Beerus was going to help Champa if Goku tried to get involved. They displayed the Gods of Destruction as real pieces of shit this episode, it seems like they will get their asses handed to them soon.

There was also no explanation for Hit Time Stop inside a Time stop, they only said the ability got stronger.

>>140596172
He did it for what Goku did earlier.

Subs when? Which group is the fastest?

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>>140596908
Kill yourself retard

>>140597089
Champas is just a big softy.
>There was also no explanation for Hit Time Stop inside a Time stop, they only said the ability got stronger.

It got stronger. Accept the DBS storytelling.

>>140596574
He was scared because he didn't want to kill Hit or anyone else. He was scared of his own power

>>140595881
why are these scenes and charasters EXACTLY like they were in pervious dragon balls?

>>140597093

Pafu, by tomorrow morning.

>>140596869
It's implied they will fight again. Goku said they would fight again when the Cats wouldn't interrupt them

>>140597149
Explain.

>>140597244
I doubt we will ever see Beerus of Hit fight Goku again.

>>140596847
he wasnt scared of its powerlevel, he was scared that Goku had a multiplier technique he hadnt tried out yet, that means Goku can surprise him and he doesnt like being surprised.

Champa is just soft, he seems like he has an extreme ammount of power but he still gets vados to do everyting.

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>>140596413
Did you even watch the match, Monaka beat him fair and square.
Hit was just overwhelmed

>>140597305
>he wasnt scared of its powerlevel, he was scared that Goku had a multiplier technique he hadnt tried out yet
He was trying to save face there. Same thing happened with Champa, the moment Vados asked why he was scared, he tried to make some shit up.

>>140596662
his body cramped up with kaioken, then he forfeited as he could no longer give Hit a decent match and wanted Hit to face a true warrior like Monaka.

I've been rewatching original Dragon Ball and it's jarring how quality rises and falls, often on on an episode-to-episode basis. But man, there's so much shit in there, especially in the first third of the show. Writing and dialogue wise, it's no better than Super on average. The problem with Super is it doesn't really have great standout moments. Those were stolen by the last two films and it's only now that we get them. It's an improvement. Super may yet become a solid 5/10, just like the original Dragon Ball which also started very weak.

>>140596847
>Beerus was scared of SSB Kaioken x10
Beerus was surprised. Right after that he literally said he could've enjoyed it if Goku used KaioKen against him

>and Champa almost shat his pants when Goku and Hit looked at him.
You're dumb aren't you? Champa thought they were "pawns" but they glared at him with hostility. He literally said to Vados
>B-b-but they're just pawns!
He didn't expect them to rebel against him.

>so why were Champa and Beerus talking shit? Was it because Goku and Hit were so tired? Or are they actually stronger?
Because they're stronger, Goku himself said this episode "For now, we're just pawns to them"

I dont' really care about the rest of your post.

>>140595881
Super should progress like this only, a comfy funny SOL with occasional tournaments on sides.

>>140597538
>SOL
Fuck off faggot

>>140597584
>MANIME BOOYAH
Fuck off faggot

>>140597584
Super is a disgrace, it isn't funny like DB nor has the same quality in the fights.
The only good thing is the SoL moments.

>>140597584
Edge fag fuck off
>>>/v/

>>140597720
>The only good thing is the SoL moments.
Only if you're a retard

>>140597526
>Right after that he literally said he could've enjoyed it if Goku used KaioKen against him
Sure and he also said Monaka was the strongest, while his body language clearly didn't think the same

Okay, let's just assume Monaka was another Mr Satan for a moment.

Why would Beerus put him as the last one to go? Did he have that much trust in Goku and Vegeta's strength?

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>>140597766
Pic related for you.

>>140597777
beerus was scared that monaka could kill the other team

>>140597777
yes.

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>>140597089
>There was also no explanation for Hit Time Stop inside a Time stop, they only said the ability got stronger.

Someone wanna photoshop Hit on this?

>>140597538
>comfy
>sol
Literal cancer

>>140597720
>sol ever being good
Fuck off and die from hypertension already

>>140597652
>fun things are fun XDDD

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>>140597863
Spot the toonamifag.

I'm glad the edgyfags can leave now

>>140597863
As someone who suffers from Postural Orthostatic HypoTension Syndrome... that'd be a fucking awful way to die.
Congrats on the edgy insult!

>>140597939
We still have Z and GT fags to deal with sadly.

>>140597958
What can you expect from a moeshitter. Of course you have hypertension you fat fuck.

so... goku lost then?

>>140597939
>edgy
Buzzwords retards fuck off

>>140596172
He did it to pay back Goku for not letting him feel like a pawn I guess and also to give a big fuck you to Champa.

the only shit part in this episode was the end fuck that new character I don't know who he is or what he does but fuck it I was expecting trunks it fucking hurts

Monaka - the next Satan
Hit - the next Piccolo
Frost - the next Freezer
Cabba - the next Gohan

>>140597995
I really don't understand the faggots that come to these threads every single week to shit talk a show that they aren't watching and I really really don't understand the faggots that watch the show every week just to shit talk it.

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>So let me get this straight you two little shits. You decide to have a tournament between universes, something you know full well isn't allowed, because you wanted to see who had the best food? Really? I fucking knew I shouldn't have made you two little kitty faggots gods of destruction. What is this, really? You brought the Super Dragon Balls here too? Are you fucking kidding me? No seriously, look at my face. Does this look like a fucking game to you? I'm the motherfucking Zen'o-sama bitch. Now you better fix this shit or I am going to drag both of you by your tails until you're screaming for me to stop. Fucking twin cat fuckers.

>>140596720
I almost piss myself with this

>>140598015
hypotension is low blood pressure you tween,

>>140598177
I missed the ep when it aired, was that guy actually mad at Beerus and Champa?

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>>140597089
>There was also no explanation for Hit Time Stop inside a Time stop, they only said the ability got stronger.
It's more of HIt's ability to continue to grow. Since he survived an attack with SSBKKx10, he most certainly became stronger from that.

Alternatively pic related

>>140598131
>the next
Wrong fuck off

>>140598043
He gave up because they were just pawns in Beerus and Champa's pissing contest.

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>>140598243
Probably not. It's just fun to think about because they are so obviously freaking out about him showing up.

I love Beerus but I've been waiting for something to humble him for a while now

>>140598105
He's the multiverse administration person Basically the Gods boss.

He also rules over time, his name is ZENOU

>>140598015
Motherfucker thinks he's smart with the big science words but fucks up hypo and hyper

>>140598243

By the way Champa and Beerus were sweating, probably.

>>140598302
Whis is always humbling him down

>>140598043
He just quit. He wanted to fight Hit all out but couldn't because of the no kill rule so Hit could not fight at full strength. Also, Champa called him and Hit pawns in their game. So he just left and told Hit they'd fight for real later.

His Kaio-ken was wearing off too

>>140598105
Toriyama never said when the future related character would come into the story

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>>140598043
Goku forced a rule change for the contest, to allow Hit to use his killing techniques and actually aim to kill, without holding back. Since he was an assassin, he can only show his full power when trying to kill

Goku didn't really do well from that point onward

Hit started using Hokuto

>>140598369
Not really.

>>140598372
time related character.

And its probably why Zenou showed up

>>140598369
Whis is always trolling him, not humbling him

>>140598441
Yeah you're right

>>140598492
RED EYES GOLD DRAGON!

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>Hit gets stronger as you fight him
Can he match self-destruction Zenkais?

>>140598678
Pfft, anyone can do that.
Especially since you have to be half dead for it to kick in.

>>140598430
If Zenou rules time, then Trunks is probably going to show up at some point.

>>140597863
fuck yeah bro, manime booyah!

I truly believe Super went from 'meh' to 'enjoyable' ever since the Magetta fight

>>140598782
?

lmao

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>>140595881
>people actually believed Monaka wasn't the GOAT

DUDE GT LMAO

>>140598177
What did they call him?

>>140598848
I really didn't like Magetta's fight, since it was just Vegeta putting an absurd handicap on himself until he nearly lost the match from dicking around so much.
Cabbe's fight was like watching Cell and Gohan before going SSJ2. Some scared little kid with no real chance is fighting against a fucking titan who brings out his latent power. Except this time, his power up doesn't matter for shit.

>>140598954
What about it?

>>140598678
Hit vs LSSB Broly when? Their power is maximum.

After that kaioken is Goku getting the biggest zenkai ever?

>>140599192
He better, it looked like that shit broke every bone in his body.
Then there's the hits that he took in the first place.

>>140598372
The future character already got reveled it's ariel who is coming back

>>140598984
Zen'o-sama. King of Everything

>>140599285
How is that a future character? Wouldn't that be a past character if anything? Also the way they used thee word for future clearly indicated something time-related

>>140598131
Frost wont even show up again and I doubt Monoka will either. Hit will probably be relevant since he's strong and Cabba just because of Vegeta.

>>140599001
>since it was just Vegeta putting an absurd handicap on himself
Yeah but they explained why he was capping himself. And the fight was entertaining. It was neat to see someone who couldn't fly pull a bunch of different tricks

Cabba's fight wasn't good for the fight itself as much as it was to see Vegeta finally interact with another Saiyan and be like a cool big brother. That was the real highlight

>>140599261
That shit didn't just break bones, Ibet his muscles are all sorts of fucked and organs
Another needle for my nigga Goku

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>>140599330
>and I doubt Monoka will either.
Monaka will be part of the comedy team like Jaco and Satan

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>mfw muricans needs to wait till tomorrow

>>140597128
>Meme macro image
It's easy to tell that you're a failure at life whose parents are probably ashamed of you.

>>140599357
I've always thought the fights where we know characters are gimping themselves were lame.
Like, Goku vs Majin Vegeta was cool because nobody knew about SSJ3 yet.
Vegeta vs Magetta was lame because we know Vegeta has a handful of other forms. Plus, he throws away his "don't show them my full power" strategy when he shows off in front of Cabba.

>>140599459
Nice projection faggot, tell me more about your shitty life.

>>140599494
>Plus, he throws away his "don't show them my full power" strategy when he shows off in front of Cabba.
Because by that point he had already won and knew he would fight Hit next so at that point there wasn't a reason to. Also, you forgot he was intentionally showing off to Cabba so that he could train to get even stronger like a true Saiyan should

>>140599192
Pretty sure Toriyama either completely forgot about zenkai or is willfully ignoring it.

>>140599473
why is vegeta getting his ass kicked by a midget

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>>140598551

does anyone have the pic where goku grabs the king's tentacle penis?

>>140599594
He's trying to gauge Cabba's new power

>>140599556
It was still dumb as shit because he still had to fight the guy he was most afraid of. He could have just showed him SSJ2 if he wanted to show, but he just shows off his trump card instead.

>>140599515
I'm just calling it like I see it, no need to get so defensive.

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>>140599594
>getting his ass kicked
Lolno

>>140599608

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>>140597831
I got lazy halfway through

>>140599313
I thought you were referring to where akira said a popular character returning.

>>140599758
how did they get away with this!!!!

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>>140599761

>>140599586
If I were him, I would do the same.

Zenkai is a broken ability and just raises the question as to why they aren't getting the other Z fighters, preferably Piccolo for that healing, to heavily injure them all of the time. I know it happened on Namek, but why stop at one?

>>140599192
Zenkai is irrelevant after namek saga. Otherwise seem like Vegeta would have kept using it.

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>>140599761

>>140599840
If there's anything that I'd be perfectly fine with Toriyama completely retconning out of Dragon Ball, it would be zenkais.

>>140599761
>no time freeze in the background

7/10 for effort

>>140599761
Sasuga

>>140599723
Not up to sharing anymore? Well hang in there anon.

Don't you have to be on the verge of death to get a Zenkai though? Goku was clearly fucked up but not enough so to move around and shake hands. He didn't even ask for a Senzu

>>140599761
you got it pretty fast

congrats

>>140596617
I would actually like that too. Hit is a cool character and it would be nice to have a non-saiyan powerhouse on the good guy side in Super for once.

>>140600022
>nice to have a non-saiyan powerhouse
Just power up Piccolo and Kuririn

>>140600069
>Piccolo
Could be nice
>Kuririn
Yeah, no that is definitely never going to happen.

>>140600005
Now we need an edited audio jojo version

>>140600069
>piccolo and hit team up to double dose

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Oh god, imagine Hit getting in on the main team's shenanigans when there are comedy episodes? It would be like Law with the Straw Hats. He'd be the only sane person there

>>140597089
>There was also no explanation for Hit Time Stop inside a Time stop, they only said the ability got stronger.
There was no explanation for a time stop period. So far he could only do a time leap, but now a time stop too.

>>140600130
Piccolo already had that role though.

>>140600118
Fuckin' Super Elite.

>>140600176
Yeah but now he has his own comedic role for being Uncle to Pan

>>140600225I liked all of them.

>>140600140
It was always a time stop.
The it's called a time skip because it looks like Hit skipped a step from the outside.

>>140600225
nothing personel kid

>>140600108
>Yeah, no that is definitely never going to happen.
Tien, then.

Or Yamcha.
Actually, power him up. He desparately needs it not to be a joke.

Anyone else found Monaka adorable during this? I want a plush of him now or something.

>>140600284
>Or Yamcha.
Look, when you get a figure of the moment you became a joke then it's all over.

>>140600257
No it wasnt, every translation said time leap and it worked as a time leap so far.
It looks like a time stop from the outside, which is why the king mentioned it, but it really wasnt.

>>140600304
I would have liked it more if they didnt reveal he wasnt strong in this episode, but still good.

>>140600108
Wish krillin would get relevant somewhere down the line again.

>>140600118
I want an episode of Jaco asking Monaka to defeat a strong alien

>>140599932
I did finish it in a hurry, so that sounds just right to me desu

>>140600219
>uncle

Don't you mean godfather?

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Reminder, Monaka trolling went so far, it was even in the advertising

>>140600366
Bulma is one of the most relevant characters and she isnt a fighter so there's hope.
Also, before there was a series composer it seemed they wanted to do something with Krillin(I still cant ifgure out what tho), so maybe.

Hit is literally Piccolo 2.0

>>140600447
>Bulma is one of the most relevant characters and she isnt a fighter so there's hope.
That's because she makes their shit, is the smartest one there and also was around since Chapter 1 of DB

>>140600399
>dragonquest monsters joker 3

I had no idea they were still making dragonquest monsters games. That's some weapons grade nostalgia right there.

>>140600354
>and it worked as a time leap so far.
Did you even watch Super?
Hit stopped time for everything but himself.
It looked like he's skipping from the outside.

There's no other way it's been seen.

>>140600479
Yeah I remember when Hit wanted to take over the world and kill Goku in revenge for his original incarnation's death too. I also remember when he was a dick to everybody until he met Goku's son

Hit isn't an original type of character, but he's not Piccolo. He's just another strong fighter who got caught up in Goku's good nature and is a bro now

>>140600486
To be fair, Yamcha was around almost as long and look what happened to him.

>>140600479
You're literally retarded

>>140600486
So? there's more than one way a character can be relevant.

>>140600515
Then why didnt he go za warudo on Vegeta and Goku? Why use it to dodge?
It makes no sense, because it's not what it is.
Goku could predict where he would be because he leapt, not because he stopped everything. From the outside, you just see him "tekeporting" to a convenient place.

>>140600547
Is Yamcha actually a cuck or just a fucking failure?

>>140600547
But he's not smart and doesn't build their shit

>>140596608

Satan payed 18 money to do that

>>140600592
>>140600592
>cuck
>when he literally cucked Bulma
That's not how it works. Then again, a memelord wont get that.

>>140600547

His first appearance was beating up a starving Goku and after that just served to be beaten up by the strong guy. He never had a chance.

>>140598954
GT is better than super sure. Fuck this trash.

>>140600399
Damn, that golden knight looks great.
What are the effects?

>>140600581
>Then why didnt he go za warudo on Vegeta and Goku?
You mean like he did multiple times?
Vegeta was hit every time, Goku took the 0.1 seconds into account and predicted where the hit would come from after that time. He literally hard read his moves.

>Why use it to dodge?
Because at the time Goku was moving faster than the time stop.

>From the outside, you just see him "tekeporting" to a convenient place.
Exactly what it would look like if you could freeze time for everything but yourself you idiot.

>Reminder not to reply to bait

>>140600592
>>140600618
>>140600682
I was mainly talking about how he's one of the first characters. Hell, he got a better end of the stick than Oolong. Oolong has a useful power that can be utilized outside of straight up combat but he was completely dropped other than cameos after the first arc.

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>>140600547
Eh, he did get some better merch.

>>140600727
I too love GT, Goku is such a hottie. Love they made him shirtless for Super Saiyan 4.

>>140600771
>You mean like he did multiple times?
Only once, he got in good positions because he could dodge their moves.

> Goku took the 0.1 seconds into account and predicted where the hit would come from after that time. He literally hard read his moves.
Hits could come from pretty much anywhere, specially given there's beams into account.

>Because at the time Goku was moving faster than the time stop.
what? If time stops, it stops, it doesnt flow.

>Exactly what it would look like if you could freeze time for everything but yourself you idiot.
Yes, so?

>>140600802
Oolong saved the world more than Vegeta and Piccolo though.

>>140600923
I doubt it would have taken more than a week for Pilaf to be assassinated after being crowned king of the world.

>>140596172
>faked his lost

Bitch pls monaka's ability is a delayed impact and is the strongest attack we have seen so far from anyone, look how he cucked hit up with no efford

Why do people even like Hit? He has no personality and his design is just as boring.

>>140600970
Cool. That didnt happen though.

>>140600890
>Because at the time Goku was moving faster than the time stop.
>what? If time stops, it stops, it doesnt flow.
It's DB, Do not think about it.

>>140599798
Akira said a popular future-related character.
Not a popular character would return in the future.

>>140601032
It's still stupid to say that Oolong saved the world when all he did was stop a literal retard from being king of the world.

>>140601081
Would the world be better if Pilaf ruled it?
No, so he saved it.

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>>140601031

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Favorite Dragon Ball story arc?

http://strawpoll.me/7424152

>>140600890
>Only once, he got in good positions because he could dodge their moves.
>once
You are aware that if you say that he's done it once it means all of the times he used the ability were the same right?
Because it's the same damn ability each and every time.

>Hits could come from pretty much anywhere
Except they couldn't, Goku was watching his moves in Vegeta's fights and took note of his fighting style and Hit himself said he goes for the vitals. In the initial stages of the fight Goku knew when and where to block because of that.

>what? If time stops, it stops, it doesnt flow.
Don't question the logic of Dragonball especially when there's a dragon god that's awakened with a chant the same tier as "pretty please with cherries on top?" and a 1000 year old assassin from a parallel universe can freeze time within a time freeze.

>Yes, so?
Meaning a time skip and a time stop are the same thing from different perspectives.

>>140601146
>Forgetting the first arc
>Including filler arcs

>>140601126
Saving the world implies it would be destroyed, not have a retarded figurehead that's going to last a week before the RRA kills him.

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>>140600225
Is that pooh bear?

>>140600022
>Literally no one cares about Buu

>>140601198
>Saving the world implies it would be destroyed
Not really, it can also imply a cruel dictator ship and the reformation of society as we know it.
So yes, he saved the world.

>>140601185
No filler (Garlic Jr, Otherworld Tournament) or GT

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>>140599758

>>140601261
I miss Buu.

>>140601146
Hard to chose. All arcs fuck up somewhere.
My favorite moments are in Red Ribbon Army, Piccolo Daimao, Saiyan, Namek, Battle of Gods and Revival of F arcs.

I swear, Whis and Champa steal every scene they're in.

>>140601263
You still moved the goalposts from what I was originally saying. Oolong did jackshit after saving the world (as you say) even though he could have still been useful to the main group. Yamcha got to stick around and remain relevant well afterwards. So, it really doesn't matter what your point is because you're not even arguing against my original premise.

>>140601163
>You are aware that if you say that he's done it once it means all of the times he used the ability were the same right?
No, because I already mentioned there's no explanation for the time it was an actual time stop.

>Because it's the same damn ability each and every time.
It only worked that way once. Just because it introduces plot holes doesnt mean it's not what happened.

>Except they couldn't,
Sure, it's not like the characters can fly or anything

>Don't question the logic of Dragonball
You're tho

>Meaning a time skip and a time stop are the same thing from different perspectives.
Yes, it looks like a time stop from the outside and is a time skip in reality. But they are qualitatively different. It's like saying the Flash stops time when in reality he just moves way too fast. The practical consequences are similar, but not the nature of the action.

>Saving the world implies it would be destroyed
Not really, that's not what "save" means.

>not have a retarded figurehead that's going to last a week before the RRA kills him.
Did that happen?

>we will never have a dragon ball thread with people whose reading comprehension is at least as good as the people DB is aimed to

>>140601364
>You still moved the goalposts from what I was originally saying.
That wasnt me, though, and I didnt. I just mentioned that he did save the world more than other characters, never said that he was useful after Pilaf arc.


> So, it really doesn't matter what your point is because you're not even arguing against my original premise.
I wasnt, not was my intention at all.

>>140601386
was for you btw

>>140601342
>All arcs fuck up somewhere.

how so?

>>140601464
Pacing, plotholes, asspulls... Always something.

>>140597093
More like dubs when.

>>140601146
Anyone got more HQ Official anime artwork for Dragon ball?

>>140601386
>No, because I already mentioned there's no explanation for the time it was an actual time stop.
Each and every time he used that ability it had the same effect of stopping time, not skipping it. Get that through your head.

>It only worked that way once.
See above.

>Sure, it's not like the characters can fly or anything
You do realise that it was only towards the middle portion of the fight where Hit felt the need to change his style right?
Meaning he was easily predicted during that time especially to an observer like Goku.

>It's like saying the Flash stops time when in reality he just moves way too fast.
Thing about the Flash is that you can actually see him when he's moving at such a speed albeit a red blur. Hit now, you lose all visibility of him. There's not a trace.

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>>140596922
>>Next DB movie

>>140601548
>dubs

You know, you're really on the wrong website.

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>>140601550
http://80s90sdragonballart.tumblr.com/

>>140601548
American Goku said after DBZ Kai Buu Arc they will work on Super

>>140601614
>Each and every time he used that ability it had the same effect of stopping time, not skipping it.
I guess every reliable translator was wrong then, and so was the show.
I also guess Goku's teleportation in the broly movie was him moving too fast since apparently I have to take everything at face value.

>You do realise that it was only towards the middle portion of the fight where Hit felt the need to change his style right?
You do realize you're essentially saying Hit was a retard that hindered his own abilities?

>Thing about the Flash is that you can actually see him when he's moving at such a speed albeit a red blur.
That's just the show altering super speed's rules in order to make it so there's actual conflict. At his best, he's way faster.

> Hit now, you lose all visibility of him. There's not a trace.
Same with Flash at lightspeed or beyond, and it's still a different ability.

>>140598177
So who's this guy

>>140601694
Thanks anon.

>>140601820
KING OF ALL UNIVERSES RULER OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE

>>140595881
TFW Goku was closer to death on one hair after punching Monaka.

What are they going to wish now that they win? I fucking swear that if is Oolong asking for another set of panties I'ma jump out the window.

>>140601761
>I guess every reliable translator was wrong then, and so was the show.
Yes considering the show portrayed it as a time stop and only called it a skip due to the fact it appeared as if he skipped a beat.
Like a time stop.

>I also guess Goku's teleportation in the broly movie
Okay one, non-canon movies.
Two, you mean when he used instant transmission right? The move the move that is literally instantaneous travel?
Now you're just making the assumption that the two are the same.

>You do realize you're essentially saying Hit was a retard that hindered his own abilities?
That is exactly what happened.
He literally didn't feel the need to improve until Goku fought him, where his time stop improved from 0.1 to 0.5 to freezing within a freeze.
Then there's the fact he thought of a stance on the fly.

>That's just the show altering super speed's rules in order to make it so there's actual conflict. At his best, he's way faster.
The Flash is fast yet you can still visibly see him. Even when he outraced instantaneous travel.

>Same with Flash at lightspeed or beyond
See above.
Don't ask me how because that's one for /co/ to not explain.

>>140598177
what's his name again

>>140602076
xeno

>>140596720
Don't worry Champa, it happens to the best of us.

Champa is a lot better than I thought he'd be.

I prefer him to Beerus.

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>>140601957
Here, I checked, literally the second time they use it you can see there's a window of time where Vegeta notices he's not there. If he stopped time, that would never happen.

>Yes considering the show portrayed it as a time stop and only called it a skip due to the fact it appeared as if he skipped a beat.
It only portrayed it like a time stop in episode 40 and it may just be bad execution.

>only called it a skip due to the fact it appeared as if he skipped a beat
Or because it's a skip.

>Okay one, non-canon movies.
Doesnt matter here, it's an example of the anime portraying something in a not literal way.

>Two, you mean when he used instant transmission right? The move the move that is literally instantaneous travel?
>this shit again
It's teleportation.

>The Flash is fast yet you can still visibly see him.
If he's stopped or not at full speed.

>Even when he outraced instantaneous travel.
If you mean the Morrison run, that was teleportation.

>>140602076
Zuno

>>140602076
zeni

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>>140598177
>Does this look like a fucking game to you?

>>140596720

>Frost is still dead
>No one still gives even one fuck.

>>140602076
lil dicky

>>140598678
Could Cell gain god power by blowing himself up for a few months, or do the returns diminish after the first couple times?

>>140598393
What is Hokuto? Blood bending?

>>140598043

Has Goku really beaten anyone important besides Frieza without assistance or a handicap

>>140602356
King Piccolo
Tien
General Tao
RRA

all in their time

>>140598369

>them blue fuckers
>actually doing anything

>>140602356
Tao Pai Pai
Krillin
Piccolo Daimaoh
Ten shin han
Piccolo Jr
Reecome
Butter
Jeice
Freezer
Freezer

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What's your favorite episode of DB Super so far?

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>>140602157
>literally the second time they use it
Congrats, you picked a moment where he DOESN'T use it. You can tell because every time he does use it there's an accompanying sound effect that isn't used at that time.

>It only portrayed it like a time stop in episode 40 and it may just be bad execution.
And pretty much every time he attacks.

>Or because it's a skip.
Perspective. Stop from Hit's, skip from everyone else.

>Doesnt matter here, it's an example of the anime portraying something in a not literal way.
It's literally non canon. It's entirely irrelevant to the conversation.

>It's teleportation.
There's a difference between instantaneous travel and regular teleportation.

>If he's stopped or not at full speed.
Even when he's running you idiot.

>If you mean the Morrison run, that was teleportation.
It was instantaneous travel.

>Goku grabbed the galaxy king's dick
I laughed. Fuck you Toriyama, I laughed a lot.

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>>140595881
Goku and Hit are true bros now

>>140602516
Hit vs Goku
Bills vs Goku
Say whatever you want but those two fights were really well done.

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>>140602516
This one, followed by Vegeta vs Cabba

>>140596172
Hit literally says "Now we're even" (これで貸し借りなしだ。) Why do people who can't understand any Japanese watch raws and then offer opinions on what happened?

>>140602516
The one with Goku and Vegeta changing bed sheets

>>140602157
Question, what's the distinction between a skip and a stop to you?

>>140602602
Monaka clearly won that fight

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>>140597812

>>140600005
I'm sure everyone has already imagined how much more broken he'd be if it lasted 5 seconds.

>>140602516
Goku punches Krillin, Chi-chi hounds him to stay before immediately accepting it when he leaves.

>>140602530
>Congrats, you picked a moment where he DOESN'T use it.
>This doesnt apply because I said so
The sound was there tho.

>And pretty much every time he attacks.
I posted a pic where he doesnt and by your logic that applies to all moments, so what is it?

>Perspective. Stop from Hit's, skip from everyone else.
But for everyone else was a stop, the King explains to Goku,at first, that it was a stop.

>It's literally non canon. It's entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
Only if you're a manga autist, but we're not discussing canon, we're discussing how the anime medium can representate something. I picked a non canon dragon ball movie since we're discussing dragon ball. Of course, since you're clearly a manga autist you wont be able to get that.

>There's a difference between instantaneous travel and regular teleportation.
I know, and Goku teleports.

>Even when he's running you idiot.
Not at full speed.

>It was instantaneous travel.
I stand corrected then. Because you posted actual proof taken from the material being discussed.

>>140602717
Assuming time "flows" in the intuitive classical way.

Skip: You "dissapear" from the flow of time and appear some amount of time later. Time as a whole is unnafected, just your position in space. This is what Hit does.

Stop: Time stops flowing for what the character using the ability is a certain amount of time(the time his body, spirit, ki or whatever can hold it) and he can do whatever he or she wants in that time. This is what Dio and Guldo do.

>>140602914
How did they kill the guy who could actually make it last for as long as he held his breath?

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>>140602717
>time skip
>a billion years later

>>140599853
cell got a zenkai boost after he blew himself up. that's technically the last instance where we ever saw it do anything.

>>140603047
> that's technically the last instance where we ever saw it do anything.
Vegeta mentioned it in super.

>>140602953
Vegeta just took him by surprise while he was using telekinesis and knocked his fucking head off because he was a little bitch.
I have no idea how Telekinesis is more powerful than just stopping time but I guess he can hold it longer.

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Red or blue?

>>140599853
>Using it
It's a trait that all Saiyans have subconsciously.

>>140602953

Guldo? It's been so damn long I don't remember. He was weak as hell and he could only stop an area if I remember correctly. It also didn't hurt that they were conscious the entire time.

Pretty sure they caught him out of breath. Having the enemy be unaware of your actions during the stop makes it many times more damaging, psychologically and strategically.

>>140603031
Touché

>>140603112
blue looks better.

>>140596720
>WHO'S THE GENIUS THAT PUT A FUCKING TABLE HERE?! AH FUCK THIS HURTS LIKE A BITCH

>>140602952
>The sound was there tho.
No, it wasn't. There was a speed sound when Hit moved and Vegeta said "I can see him move." Than when Hit punched Vegeta, at 'that' point the time stop sound happened, Vegeta said "I can see him move, but not the attack."
When Hit moved behind Vegeta he was just being fast, when he punched Vegeta he stopped time.

>>140603112
Has anyone ripped the rest of digitally colored Dragon Ball manga yet?

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Did champa shit himself here?

>>140603225
So Vegeta was surprised another character was fast and Hit used time stop to attack a character he was already in range for him to attack?

>>140602717

The difference between Dio's and Diavolo's stand powers

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>>140602952
>The sound was there tho.
Completely different sound effect.

>I posted a pic where he doesnt and by your logic that applies to all moments, so what is it?
You posted a pic where he doesn't in fact use it so it doesn't help your argument.

>But for everyone else was a stop, the King explains to Goku,at first, that it was a stop.
Are you an idiot?
Time freezes on Hit's end for everything but himself. Meaning not a thing is moving.
At all.
For everyone else Hit skips a beat.

So let's put it this way what's happening is
>stance
>reading punch(during freeze)
>swinging(during freeze)
>hit

What everyone is seeing is
>stance
>punch
So Hit is freezing time for everything but himself while everyone else views it as a skip.

>Only if you're a manga autist
It's irrelevant from any perspective because the people working on the movie have creative liberties that may or may not be in line with the anime or manga.
There are very little instances where it's extremely noticeable to but ones that come to mind are: the portrayal of instant transmission and certain parts of fusion reborn.

>Not at full speed.
Same comic.
His trail is clearly visible.

>>140603112
Red is classical gore color, Blue is a pretty nice fantasy color. I think I like the blue because it's much more alien.

>>140602952
>Time stops flowing for what the character using the ability is a certain amount of time(the time his body, spirit, ki or whatever can hold it) and he can do whatever he or she wants in that time.
You do realize this is what Hit is doing right?
The major difference being that it's more abrupt due to the short duration.

>>140603250
He could have taken them.

>>140596511
You say that like Mr Satan isn't kawaii.

>>140603331
Jojofags want to pretend he's KC instead of ZW. Ignore them.

Do the blu-rays improve any of the animation thus far?

>>140603378
It'd be neat for Dragonball to have a KC character just to see how they get around it but now certainly isn't that time.

>>140603349
Nice delusions cuck
Now with the introduction of the new god and his guards he is going to job to someone soon

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>>140603250
Imagine trying to punish a puppy, and it growls at you unexpectedly. Champa could kill them, but didn't expect rebellion

>>140596686
This. I knew this franchise was doomed the moment they brought back Frieza as a credible villain with the excuse "I trained for a couple months" and becoming godlike. Dragon ball was always about plot related power levels but they don't even try anymore.

>>140603269
>You posted a pic where he doesn't in fact use it so it doesn't help your argument.
I dont see you posting a pic of a moment he used it so we're the same here. I would post the one where Goku literally calls it a time skip, but you may handwave it as a fansub error.

>Time freezes on Hit's end for everything but himself. Meaning not a thing is moving.
>At all.
>For everyone else Hit skips a beat.
The third line contradicts the previous two. If he stopped time, then he wouldnt be skipping shit, just moving fast as fuck.

>So Hit is freezing time for everything but himself while everyone else views it as a skip.
Then his movements wouldnt be predictable at all because he could make an unpredictable move that still hits.

>It's irrelevant from any perspective because the people working on the movie have creative liberties that may or may not be in line with the anime or manga.
No, the people working on the movies and the people working in super both work in anime, which is a medium. Irrelevant to dragon ball or not.

>His trail is clearly visible.
Yep, you are literally retarded. It's visible to YOU the reader, because the writers and artists need to tell YOU that he is indeed moving, the crowd there dont see him moving because in-universe he's not visible to normal people. Seriously, you need to be more media savvy.

>>140603331
>You do realize this is what Hit is doing right?
No, since then he wouldnt be predictable at all, he could do whatever he wants. Heck, he could just have stopped time and punch a defenseless Goku so strongly he would be pushed out of the ring. That's not what he's doing.

I mean, as I said, in a practical way, it's very similar to him stopping time but it's now what's actually happening.

>>140603564
>Dragon ball was always about plot related power levels
Power levels were literally introduced just to show how stupid it is to think as someone's power as set.

>>140603617
It used to baffle me how a concept as simple as power levels that's literally made for 7 seven year old kids can be so difficult to grasp for so many people (as with many db related things).

>>140603564
This, it really bothers me fan fic storys are more exciting and interesting than canon super. Also earth being in U6 would have been a great excuse to explore it but fuck that i guess

>>140603440
They'd do the same thing they do to any enemy that plays with special rules: power up until they can blast straight through them.

>>140603514
Nigga that's your reaction when a puppy growls at you?
topkek you must the biggest pussy in the whole wide world

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>>140600507
>I had no idea they were still making dragonquest monsters games. That's some weapons grade nostalgia right there.

Japan never stops making DQ. We just don't get it localized.

>>140603617
Not at all, it was so characters had goals to work twoards autist. Look how much vegeta grew in the namek saga, from 12k pw to at least 100k or more by the end.

>>140603763
why even live

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>>140603598
>I dont see you posting a pic of a moment he used it so we're the same here.
That's because I can't put a sound effect to an image you retard.
That said every time he uses is and connects there's always that purple energy too.

> If he stopped time, then he wouldnt be skipping shit, just moving fast as fuck.
Do you even perspective?
He's moving freely.
Everyone else misses the motion.

Like when Dio "teleports"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g73ah54DpR0

>Then his movements wouldnt be predictable at all
They were predictable because he didn't see a need to stray out of his usual style for the first portion of the fight which Goku had observed and took a few hits from.
Goku himself then said that he would have to get hit a few times to get accustomed to his new style after he changed, after which he was promptly attacked by Hit.

>No, the people working on the movies and the people working in super both work in anime, which is a medium.
Yes but they still have their own creative liberties which may or may not accurately portray what's going on or what ability is being used again for example the portrayal of instant transmission we've already talked about.

>Yep, you are literally retarded.
I don't want to hear this from the person that can't grasp that in this situation a "skip" and a "stop" are the same thing from a different perspective.
In any case, it has never been any other way in any Flash comic unless he's had some additional ability or boost.

>>140603910
What are you trying to say? Spit it out

>>140602222
Incoming Weekend at Bernie's arc where Cabba and Hit have to run Frost's empire without anyone noticing he's a rotting corpse

>>140603952
I hope you're the same anon, because this would mean you finally get it but just want to shitpost.

>>140603617
Power levels were a plot point that most beings that lacked a martial art sense had to track energy levels through devices. Since said people don't train, it made sense why they thought they were mostly fixed and placed higher stock on certain thresholds. It gave the heroes a chance because those rules didn't apply to them. After namek, it literally became "fuck you I'm stronger so get dunked on" and everyone who isn't the same strength gets curbstomped. There's no strategies in fights any more because it's a matter of just being stronger until you pull another transformation or fusion out your ass. Everything up to the Namek arc was underdogs beating their opponents through teamwork and careful technique usage, not spamming power ups like it is now.

>>140603690
The point I'm making is that it really cheapens the narrative with how lazy the excuse of how Freiza became so strong. Why not do that for any of the humans?

How the fuck do you fags get subs so fast?

>>140604020
>"fuck you I'm stronger so get dunked on" and everyone who isn't the same strength gets curbstomped.
>underdogs beating their opponents through teamwork and careful technique usage, not spamming power ups like it is now
Top kek. retard pls

>>140604020
>Why not do that for any of the humans?
Because the humans aren't mutants who had a power rivaling Super Saiyans without an ounce of training.

>>140604071
I don't need subs.

>>140604071
>needing subs for db

>>140604071
Mexicans

>>140604071
Get out here you subhuman newfag

>>140604071
>日本語ができない
可哀想な。

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What if Frost trains for 4 months?

>>140603762
are you implying that you kill the puppy when it growls at you

>>140604208
Then we Silver Frost

>>140604208
doesn't matter cuz he's fuckin dead

>>140604089
Yajirobe rivaled Goku without training at all

>>140604086
None of the fights post namek had any of the teamwork or complexity of the prenamek fights. Deny this and lose all credibility.

>>140604089
And Frieza should not become literally godlike from not even an ounce of the same effort every other character in the show put in. Goku was literally human tier at birth and he earned his strength over a lifetime.

>>140604297
>Goku was literally human tier at birth and he earned his strength over a lifetime.
I hope you're not trying to compare someone who was below average to someone who was literally born with all of their planet busting power.

Try to put things into perspective for a second.

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>>140604297
>complexity of the prenamek fights.

>>140604214
I not am going to give any fuck about just like any normal person would do
I don't know how to tell you this but being scared of a puppy, there is no way around you're a total wuss

>>140603112
Blue seems fitting, since his blood has to be different because he doesn't need air.

>>140598043

Perhaps

Hit didn't look so good a few more punches would have done him in

But that would require goku to keep using kaio ken which likely would gave fucked him up bad

This time he got up pretty quickly

>>140604255
Yajirobe was a mountain man that slaughtered beasts for food regularly. It's not like he's been sitting around doing nothing his whole life.

>>140602076
Angry Joe

>>140604297
>And Frieza should not become literally godlike from not even an ounce of the same effort every other character in the show put in.
Holy shit you're dumb

>>140604297
Vegeta went from strong enough to get curbstomped by 18 to strong enough to curbstomp Cell form 2 in a year's time. While it's not likely, it's also not unreasonable Freeza could do that. Not to mention once he achieved a new form he immediately stopped training and rushed on down there.

>>140604344
I don't doubt that Frieza could be strong if he trained, it's that it took 4 months. This is plotkai at its finest, Frieza is a joke compared to everyone at the end of Z so he has to become relevant in some way, I understand that. But someone who's never trained before in his life and has no teacher or partner to help him somehow makes leaps and bounds over all the other characters combined in an impossibly short timeframe is lazy writing. They just didn't care. It invalidates the majority of the threats in the show because of such an asinine explanation. Genetic mutant comprised of everyone's strongest traits? Magical abomination that once nearly destroyed the universe? Fuck you, some rando alien got super strong because he practiced for a few months. That criticism doesn't even apply to Goku and the other saiyans because at least we see them train, and it turns out not to be enough to for whoever they're fighting.


How come Cell didn't unlock this potential within himself if he inherited all of Frieza's power? If Uub starts out at kid Buu's level, will he become human God in a day?

Awesome episode, I can't wait to watch it with subs.

>>140603349

Not necessarily. Whis already said goku n vegeta could prove a match for Beerus

But goku with kaio ken with hit would demolish champa who is supposedly weaker than Beerus


It's why Beerus threatened to step in

Guys what if Hit is just pefect Cell after absorbing Buu?

>>140604850
spanish subs are out

>>140604754
>How come Cell didn't unlock this potential within himself if he inherited all of Frieza's power?
Same reason, zero training. That said he recieved an abnormally large Zenkai boost.

>If Uub starts out at kid Buu's level, will he become human God in a day?
Maybe.
We'll just have to wait and see.

>>140604607
Holy shit you're dumb

>>140604690
And in the seven years between the Cell and Buu arcs, he only managed to unlock super Saiyan 2? Goku only unlocks super Saiyan 3 while dead?

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>>140604948
>N-no U
Top kek

>>140601146
>Artificial Human Arc

The fuck? Who calls it that?

>>140605074
IDK but I still picked it

>>140598177
How long until Goku tries to punch him?
Takin all bets here

>>140598243
if I recall it was universe 7 and 6 who had the weakest of the gods, but I could be wrong

>>140603439
We've only gotten season 1's Blu-ray so far and it made some improvements, yeah.

I heard that they're spending way more time improving Season 2 and that's why it's not close to coming out yet.

>>140605153
They're keeping the senzu beans away from him specifically because of this.

>>140605247
But it was never stated they were the weakest of the gods.

Literally finger pick of doom

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>>140605109
Same here.

Best arc with best character development with best fights with best animation.