Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

Irisdina is only good for rape.

>>140452882
>>140453702
>parents of the girl you love are doing the standard "you should take this relationship more seriously" bit
>wellfinethen.jpg
>immediately ask the father if this translates into an official blessing
>propose on the spot

This is a really ballsy move if you think about it.

Also, YES YES YES YES FINLLY

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>tfw War ensemble will never be adapted
fuck my shit up bros

>>140454227
Is that the one about the guys in powered armour?

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4

But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g

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>>140453927
Posting best girls.

>>140454213
Then Axmann enters and announces he`s the best man. No negotiations. Boombox and all.

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>>140454322

>>140454338
I want to rape Axmann in front of Lise to show her he's not that scary.

>>140454352
Anon, it doesn`t work that way. Only Theo can bully Katia, Axmann only rapes.

>>140454398

Axmann hasn't used his penis since he was sixteen years old and discovered that his anus wasn't only for shitting.

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>>140454164
Have sleepy good times Healinganon, you did good work for all. And thanks.

>>140454199
It could be. Closure doesn't always mean all loose ends are tied up, or even tied neatly.

Closure is acceptance and sort of moving onwards, even if you still move in their steps. My aunt, she sort of went full Beatrix and was absolutely inconsolable after her husband died very young, she even refused to disturb his suits in the closet. He appeared to her in her sleep one night and said it was okay, she could move on and that he loved her dearly. Her refusal to carry on was keeping him tied down too. She did resolve to carry on, and he was able to depart, BECAUSE of love, not in spite of it. So you see? The supreme act of self-sacrifice in the name of love can be moving on.

I'm sure if Lise says a prayer for him, wherever he is, SufferingTheo will hear it

Love crosses worlds, and conquers death.

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>>140454322

>>140454422
He probably used his penis, just not on girls.

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>>140454352
She seemed ready to blow his head off when she had a tsf between the two of them. Spending time in Beatrix's camp seemed to cure her quite a bit.

>>140454422
Anon, Axmann was fucking the whole of DDR since time immemorial.

>>140454430
I want to punch Gretel in her ugly face and stomp on her glasses. I don't care what happens next, it's a good way to die.

>>140454296
Yes, they are basically the people you call when rebels started shitting up things or when you need someone to be taken care off for the good of the government

Just want to say this for the record:

Lise had to basically force herself on Theo (not bluntly/explicitly) for him to realize how much he meant for her. And even then, it doesn't he caught onto the sheer extent of her feelings until it was too late (even when he was being told bluntly, though admittedly it wasn't the most ideal situation, though this doesn't excuse him avoiding the topic and asking where the other girl is).

anon seems to have made up his mind to get on this train for good or ill, and is the one who proposed.

I'd say it's fairly obvious who seems more committed here.

>>140454298
Well, whatever greater cosmic force moved people through space/time/reality/death seems to be able to do so at will, and notably, can manipulate dreams that show the differing worlds.

What it, purely hypothetically, people were to have the same dream?

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>>140454430
But they aren't even friends.

>>140454443
Holy shit she didn't appreciate that Ax had called her bluff and outwitted her.

>>140454467
You get your bones neatly folded by the members of 666 and Gretel suddenly decides to care for you.

>>140454425
>cum inside Pham
>it ain't me starts playing

>>140454510
They are now.

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>>140454526

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Started Unlimited.
I can't decide if Yuuko-sensei is hotter in uniform or when I could see her hard nipples from under the tank top.

>>140454506

>theo wakes up in the mattress world
> finds out Iris is still single
>Lise who?

Why is Lise such a cute girl who deserves happiness and headpats?

>>140454674
Because Axmann trained her to be!

>>140454656
Nice closure right here. But make him early 90s Theo, edgelord and all.

>>140454717
I want to train her to be a good wife.

>>140454674
>Sympathy for her tragic background
>despite going through institutionalized secret police state hell, a good part of her upbeat little sister personality remains intact
>fanatically loyal to her beloved family
>cute as a button

Take your pick.

>bring a cake for 666ths
>"forget" to give a slice to Katia and Lise just to watch them pout

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>>140454425
You might be right. She clearly could never not love him and be the same person, but it could develop into a more platonic love, more the norm for brother and sister. It would take a hell of a lot of time though, and the problem with the closure you presented is that neither of them are dead. She "died" and yet shes still here feeling the way she feels, and hes still out there doing what he does. That would mean to her there is still a chance. I don't think leaving it at that is something she could ever do. Without conclusive death for either of them like this I don't think moving on in the traditional sense would work. This isn't something she can just forget about. They need to come to terms.

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>>140454828

>>140453927
tfw no high budget MLA 4 part movie series
feels bad man.

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>>140453927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

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Seeing her last moment was sad in MLA


and this is just pure stab in the heart

Why does SM have so many pettable girls?

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>>140455140
Because Carnelian.

>>140454899
Why does she have Master's hair?

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>>140455140
Because they want you to suffer

>>140454852
They may as well be dead though. What is death really, if one believes in the soul?

But for the purposes here, there is a veil that seperates them. That veil cannot be pierced, especially as Theo has not "died", either his SM incarnation or, if he is actually he, the Master.

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>>140454425
>>140454674
>>140454764

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg

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posting best girl

I want to be raped by yandere Lise.

>>140455307
Not died *yet. its like waiting around in heaven for your spouse, even if he himself doesn't see it that way. Its funny that the canon story actually does have closure because shes straight up dead. End of story. In an attempt to heal but still have her retain memories Healinganon could simply prolong that suffering.

Stuck behind a "veil" pulled from a hellish world where the one you love most stays and continues to suffer? Let alone turned into a monster after your death. She would probably blame herself for not being there for him when he needed her most. That would be agonizing.

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

>>140454886
>>140455368
You make me proud comrades

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>>140455673
I get where you're coming from, but the thing is she can't say for certain that he IS suffering, or that he IS the Master, since we don't know that either.

And the main story doesn't have closure at all, because he hasn't made peace with her death. That's the thing. Closure is not the same as wrapping loose ends, or dying making it the end.

It's a complicated topic regardless, I guess.

>>140454526
>not loving
Evil.

>>140454526
>lick Gretel's armpits
>cum inside Gretel
>marry Gretel
>Invite Beato and her husbando to the wedding

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>>140455982
You're right, I'm just not sure she has the capacity to give up at all. I have no doubt she would come up with an excuse as to why they couldn't be together due to their chaotic circumstances, and that she'd wait for him as long as it takes.
I guess I'm saying is complete healing even possible.

Is it really healing to make her move on in the first place? Not by choice but by removing her from her love completely. Not that its something she hasn't experienced before. Shes proved she has patience.

>>140456202
What a cute butt.

>>140456202
Healing requires her to let go of Theo, permanently.

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PACT PRIDE WOLRWIDE


>>140455982
>people don't love anymore
What dark times we live in

>>140456202
It seems we've come full circle. Interesting. I recall this being an issue when healing first started. That can she really ever fully heal?

>>140456585
Horrible, isn't it?

>>140456698
Yes, what happened to the pure love between two people?
I blame harems

>>140456698
People never fully heal.

The learn to hurt less and, most importantly, find loved ones that will help share them share the burden.

It's the loners who are crushed. Or go to a dark place and don't emerge.

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>>140456562
But can she? Can she really? Healinganon says she considers herself rejected and initially slept with anon to get back at Theo, but does she? Did she ever think it was too late? Especially if she wasn't certain she was about to die.

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>>140455501
Posting
>>140456787
>It's the loners who are crushed. Or go to a dark place and don't emerge.

That really hit close
;_;

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When will we see the T-62?

>>140456836
People grow into the people they are through their experiences, so it follows that in theory they can also grow out of who they are into any other type of person given the correct experiences.
Basically it depends if Healinganon has mad healing skillz
>>140456787
Healing usually doesn't imply the complete erasure of an adverse experience because the only two ways that could happen is by turning back global time and via some higher-order being retconning an event, but it does mean that they've taken the experiences and used it to mold themselves in a way [we] think is positive.

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>>140455501
happy ending for her when?

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>>140456957
After the T-64 mad driving skillz

>>140457203
Soon

I wish ;_;

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>>140457239
They died while teenagers rebelled.

>>140456836
She probably can. If she's strong enough to have gotten this far, she can go all the way. But as mentioned/debate above, it will probably require a degree of closure or another.

It won't really be "over" until she is able to tell Theo (in one way or another, alive or dead, present or not present) that she loved him and honestly still does love him, but at the same time she's moving on.

So basically what >>140456982 said.
Healinganon has to manage this quite carefully for it go happen just right.

>>140456847
What is terrifying is what happens to those who go to dark space. If they emerge, it usually isn't the same. The best cases are those who have held onto something precious.

>>140457296
I know

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>>140457296
I agree with this. Never seeing or speaking to Theo again and leaving it at that just doesn't feel complete.

>>140457286
Brave tankmen

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>>140456746
Pure love it seems is a precious commodity these days.

That's 2D's loss, possibly. Why 3D though? That is the question of the ages.

>>140456787
>It's the loners who are crushed. Or go to a dark place and don't emerge.

Damn son...

I know that land...

>>140457296
>>140457386
Indeed. But Theo shouldn't be around though, I think. It's nice too in a way, if he isn't - she's relying on the absolute purity of love and faith to bring her message, her words to him. That counts for a lot.

Maybe they should make a gravestone for him at the cemetery?

Look, if she does, when I write Theo I promise he will hear her.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTx6ZogBbY


>>140457703
We must hold on to our waifus

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>Gretel
>Pham
You guys know that Gretel shit on Pham 24/7?

>>140458012
Gretel is a good communist and don't discriminate based on place of origin.
With that been said, fuck the Junkers

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>>140458012
Lise killed Pham in cold blood and was at odds with Gretel too. Don't mean we can't get along.

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>>140457203
lets hope she gets a slightly happy end in TDA

low chance though since they will die anyway :_;

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>>140458078
No, not again
pls no

>>140458065
That will not be the case on Lise's route on Martyrs

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>>140458317

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>>140458200
You don't know that. If Theo doesn't reject her advances and goes with her when she wants the 666th could get off a lot lighter than they did. Plus Pham wouldn't have to die. In fact the whole squadron aside from Iris for obvious reasons and possibly Katia, might be assimilated into the Werewolves. There are all kinds of ways this could go.

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>>140458477
>Come with me Onii-chan, Stasi did all sorts of things to me but I want to be with you, let's run away -
>LISE
>y-yes Oniichan?
>WHERE IS IRIS

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>>140458134
It's no use, its gonna be painful, the set up has been complete

but hey at least we might see takeru go mad and start a rampage then die

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>>140458606
To the bitter end.

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>>140458931
Fuck Theo

>>140458477
Probably not. The only people who have a chance of getting off light would be Annette, Theo, and maybe Gretel.

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>Lisefags
Theo did nothing wrong.

>>140459010
Theo did everything wrong even before Lise showed up.

>>140459010
He did plenty wrong. Everyone made mistakes, thats the point.

>>140459131
People sure hate him for being human.

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>>140459127
Dudes pretty fucked up. Reminder Watanabe explicitly set out to make him more heroic while downplaying Lise's role as a heroine.

>>140459206
Theo, Lise, and Beatrix get shit on the most for their sins.

>>140459206
I hate him because he gets to bully Katia and fuck his sister and I don't.

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>>140458057
Except she does, repeatedly. She flat out hates Pham, probably second only to kindly Inghild. Gretel is a great example of the vast gulf beterrn socialist imaginings and socialist reality.

>>140458477
Just not likely, that.

That said, Theo, until Katia came along and started changing him, would have likely jumped ship with Lise if that's what she asked him to do. They might have Lise defect to the 666th if you think about it. Who knows.

Then again, maybe not, as the seed of his turning was him letting Inghild die.

You could have your Stasi Theo with a Beato route though. But it'd likely require Lise to have died/been killed sometime before, and her essentially forcing him to join.

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>>140458606
If there is anything that I can't let go about Theo, its this.

He's just been told point blank by Lise about the various horrible things she has done basically for the sake of protecting him from the Stasi (a list that includes murder, betrayal, sexual exploitation, etc). But you know what? She's not blaming him. Even through tears, she just wants to be with him again.

He could have gone with her, he could have tried asking why she didn't trust him with all this, he could have tried bringing her back to their side, he could have lamented that he's been a failure as a brother in protecting her but now it's time for him to take responsibility and protect her for a change, etc. He could have chosen to say or do ~anything~ practically to try to calm her down, win her over, or reassure her. Even if he failed, you could at least say he tried to reach his (at that point) mentally unstable sister.

Instead he went with the one line that would set her off.

The callousness displayed, despite it being unintentional, is all on him, along with what came out of it. The one time he is truly needed by someone, he doesn't deliver. Instead, he wants to be needed by someone else entirely.

>>140459409
>he wants to be needed by someone else entirely
The funny thing is that out of the big three 'heroines' (Beatrix, Lise, Katia, Iris)
Iris is tied only with Beatrix as the person who probably wants him the least.

>>140459409
I like it when liseshills conveniently forget to mention the torture of 666 in their kvetching.

REMOVE SHLOMO
REMOVE LISE

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>>140459271
Oh and Anette gets shit on for being a walking curse ;_;

As for Wantanabe, more poop on his shoulders. He doesn't seem to understand heroes don't have to be spotless. What makes Theo compelling as a hero, all the more a hero is that he is not hero material! It's that there is reason and logic behind his callousness and cruelty, but beyond it, him growing as a person.

>>140459501
Ah ah ah, I wouldn't be too sure. Well, the jury's out on if they want HIM necessarily, but what is increasingly clear is they want what he resembles, what he could be. Beatrix makes her interest more overt, but why do you think Iris tolerates him in the squadron?

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>>140459778
>conveniently forget

>>140459955
Literally hooknose shiksa, to a t.

>>140460006
t. suzy

>>140460030
Suzy had the right genes, but her brother had the potential.

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>load up episode one of Deutschland 83 because everyone talking bout it
>Martin
>Anette
>only five minutes in

What the flying fuck?

>>140460122
You haven`t even seen shit yet.
Keep watching.

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>>140458407
you seem upset
>>140458477
>having hope
nigga do you even muv luv
>>140459007
nah. the commissar is a prime target

>>140459778
Beaten up Pham tells Theo to save Lise from her darkness. Somebody obviously forgets about that in a jiffy.

>>140460229
Considering Beatrix proposed her too, not much of a target.

>>140460266
Yeah, and Walther wants that stasi dick now.

>>140460122
>>140460186
Enjoy the ride, and the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_PlDsa_BI

and Beato's been Martin aunt
That "In the air tonight" scene was great

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>>140454322
>>140454430
>Implying

>>140460423
Meiya is pretty boring, why do you like her?

>>140460270
She let Matrin go, but I think that Lise's route would be more emotional, to put it a way and it probably involve Theo joining the werewolves at minimum

>>140460467
>Meiya is pretty boring
Fuck off cockroach

>>140460535
Don't jump to conclusions.

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>>140460535
still save the world though

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>>140460610
>>140460535
S00mika a shit. A SHIT.

>>140459778
That just adds to to the argument though. The whole torture ordeal highlights how much being snared by the Stasi has warped a part of her, and demonstrates how much she needs to be saved from miserable situation.

Would the 666th forgive her outright? With the exception of Pham and Katia, likely not. Sylwia would probably be out for blood if not restrained.

But if the 666th is really fighting to save East Germany from the Stasi, then Lise is all the evidence they need: a girl who used to be (and to some extent still is) a warm and loving little sister that was turned into a dog of the Stasi who lies, tortures, and kills.

]spoiler]Of course, we're assuming the anime NVA here. LN NVA isn't much better.[/spoiler]

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>>140460704
god anon

stop asking why sumika is a best girl

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posting best girl

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>>140459885
>>140460266
Its painful to watch how badly he fucks this up moments later.

Did Obari work on Unlimited opening video?

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YUIHIME

>>140460985
So he failed both his imouto AND his onee-san.

Damn it Theo.

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>>140461250

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>>140460799
>demonstrates how much she needs to be saved from miserable situation

But utilitarianism.

Saving her would come at a cost to their usable assets to fight the Stasi and the BETA far higher than simply eliminating her in combat, and potentially endangers the 666th, which forms the political center-of-mass of the counterrevolutionary forces.

Therefore, attempting to do something other than killing her in combat, especially after it became eminently clear that they would have to take her alive to have any chance of de-crazying her, would be directly against the best interests of the most people.

Turning her into a martyr by publicly lamenting the need to kill her and using her as an example of how bad the Stasi are is a much better course of action.

>>140462804
>posting Kiritsugu
Why though?
>utilitarianism
This was obviously never on their mind, the fucking moderate rebellion in and of itself showed this.

>>140462887
>This was obviously never on their mind, the fucking moderate rebellion in and of itself showed this.

But Beatrix had a plan that achieved the least good for the largest number of people. She wasn't a monster because her plan was to throw away millions of human lives; she was a monster because her plan was to throw away millions of human lives for no appreciable benefit. The moderate rebellion was acting in accordance with utilitarian ethics.

I'm not sure what kind of moral framework would be needed to create a system that justifies Beatrix's actions.

>>140463231
I'm not justifying Beatrix, although in her own twisted logical framework she actually was being utilitarian (she honestly believed that her plan would save the greatest number of people in the end); whether or not it's feasible and whether or not she was actually retarded is irrelevant to the fact that she was going for the greater good.
The moderate rebellion wasn't acting in accordance with utilitarian ethics, because utilitarian ethics would demand that you focus on the actual threat at hand which were the BETA, not fellow, highly skilled pilots. They were acting for their own goals.

Gretel is a cute boy

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>>140463339

I think you can justify it pretty easily according to utilitarian ethics if you believe, through a rational analysis of the situation, that the damage caused to the war effort and the harm caused by that damage is less than harm caused by allowing the Stasi to remain in power. I'm not going to claim it's an inherently correct stance, but the reasoning is at least logically valid (the assumed premises are the space for argument).

Granted, the fact that they moved in the middle of a major BETA offensive erodes a lot of that reasoning. At least from how it looked in the anime (less clear in the LNs), most of the damage caused by the coup d'etat and the following counterrevolution was less a result of the loss of assets and more a result of the fact that neither the Western Theater Forces or the Stasi military arm were available to reinforce Fort Seelow. If the fort fell, then stopping the BETA in the field was not in the cards.

What I'm trying to figure out is what their reasoning was for moving so quickly. The downsides of that seem sufficiently clear that I'd assume they had some specific reason (a good one or otherwise) for attacking when they did.

>>140463691
Beatrix, I presume, wanted a clean coup that happened fast enough to cause minimal destruction and disruption. Iris got in the way with her counter-revolution - not saying she's wrong, but had either of them not committed to their respective courses of action shit probably would've been fine.

>>140463691
>the damage caused to the war effort and the harm caused by that damage is less than harm caused by allowing the Stasi to remain in power.
Honestly I can't imagine how they arrived at that conclusion. Was the Stasi simply going to open the borders like Merkel or something and let the BETA swarm in?
The thing is the relative risks for letting Stasi stay and harming the war are completely off - the Stasi execute and break a few thousand a year, tops, but if you even slightly fuck up the war effort Europe goes tits up.

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>>140463846

Fundamental assumptions, I think, play an enormous role in the morality decisions made here. To wit, the most important one is basically whether or not you believe Europe actually have (or ever had, prehaps) a chance of holding the line. For purposes of this discussion, we'll limit the evaluation to after Operation Palaiologos in 1978; going before that adds way too many extra variables and butterflies.

If you assume Europe can hold indefinitely, then the value of line integrity becomes the major moral concern. If you assume they were fucked from the start (this is my general position) then the preservation of the maximum amount of human life and warmaking potential dominates.

This then informs nearly all of the decisions you make going forward; it could be argued that positions become nearly obvious from the root assumption.

>>140464979
In that case, both of them were going for utilitarian ethics. I mean, Beatrix was high on acid or something in her way of thinking, but it doesn't invalidate her intention.
>Operation Palaiologos
What a fucking brilliant idea to name yourself after the dynasty that historically lost Constantinople and got assraped by the 4th Crusade.

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For reference, Operation Palaiologos was a massive NATO/USSR counteroffensive launched against Minsk Hive. It would appear to be the last major 'conventional' overland assault in the BETA-verse timeline at least until 1999; much of the committed fighting power, particularity by the East Bloc, was in the form of regular infantry rather than Tactical Armor. Regardless, the two offensive thrusts reached Minsk in force and linked up, and the Soviet 43rd Guards Tactical Armor Division attempted the First Ever Hive Infiltration.

They were killed to a man, though no one would make it further into a Hive before dying horribly until Operation Lucifer (which also had survivors).

After the attack failed, the BETA counterattacked from the south and split the coalition lines; the majority o the USSR forces were pushed east, wheres both NATO and the Warsaw Pact satellite states were driven back west. If they'd gone nuclear rather than attempting an infiltration, or had the A-10 ready for the attack (because what more could you ask for in this sort of fight?) everything is completely different.

>>140465136
Frogs were right one that one.

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>>140458078
>>140458781
I swear if TakeruXMeiya is not a thing or at least alive by the end TDA, I will drop Muv Luv for ever.

>>140465136
>Operation Lucifer
>the angel that got blown the fuck out by Michael
What's with operation naming anyway? Like Hitler named his big push into Russia Operation Barbarossa - you know, the guy who drowned in a river on the way to the big mudslime removal party.

>>140465343

If you go by the meaning of the original Hebrew world 'Light-bearer/Light-Bringer/Morning Star', it actually works, considering that it was probably the single largest human victory in the war.

Barbarossa at least sounds good? Not sure Hitler was much of a student of history.

At least we have a few good names - Operation Neptune, Operation Babalyon - that sort of thing.

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>>140465316
>meiya is the acting shogun because yuuhi is probably dead
>takeru become dead inside after surviving operation 21 alone and in the same process losing all his friends
>takeru then is now a retainer of the faction that basically is mocking meiya and is against her
>cant into even talking because of gotta keep her shogun role
It reeks of just suffering anon

you better stop before you hurt yourself more

>>140465750
Well I know that Lucifer was supposed to be literally unrivaled as an angel in terms of power, so it makes sense, but still like, why would you name your big push after the guy who literally went to hell?

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>>140465316
> or at least alive by the end TDA
yeah no they are literally fucked and blindsided by the BETAs by the end of TDA 03 despite of the victory against the JFK hive

Mana will never have a cannon h-scene
it's not fair

>>140465946

Eh, they've got the railguns now. They Carrier-class shouldn't be as bad, and they've got a serious edge on Destroyers.

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I want to boop Katia's wet nose

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>>140467736
though they are still even more heavily outnumbered though. Even the railguns were not that omnipotent during the JFK raid. Plus they don't even know if the hives are really gone or the BETAs are just resurfacing towards the unsank lands

>>140468083
Kashgar must have survived if they learned to bypass minefields and started the whole experiment on humans again. Also the BETA can't survive without their hives for more than a few days.

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>>140467006
at least she got a scene on supplement

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>>140468200
>Kashgar must have survived
probably since the BETAs are actually making use of the carriers. At this rate in TDA with their limited productions and serious losses of pilots, the future is grim

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Why is this man so heroic?
Why is he the only one who knows how to treat girls right?

>>140468643
I'm torn on whether or not I want to be a Stssi cocksleeve. Do they treat me somewhat nicely?

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>>140465316
hey at least even though he doesn't talk much in TDA, he still obviously cares for meiya and not much towards marimo for some reason

>>140468697
If Lise was treated nicely she wouldn't be broken in the first place.

>>140468988
I'm not asking about Lise.

>>140469004
What makes you think you'll be treated differently?

>>140469091
Because I won't resist.

>>140468643

He is the hero East Germany deserves.

>>140469104
What a turnoff.

>>140468083
>Even the railguns were not that omnipotent during the JFK raid.

Fair, though it should be pointed out that Hive Infiltration really isn't at all the best situation for using them. With a high velocity and partially powered flight on the rounds, the railgun is a weapon for field battles.

For Hive Infiltration, you'd be better suited with a large-caliber low-velocity direct-fire automatic mortar.

>>140468200
>Kashgar must have survived if they learned to bypass minefields

They did that lolrandomly from time to time pre-Superior. Considering the likely poor quality of the sensor network and minefield as a whole, I'm not sure this really proves anything. They were also conducting human experimentation at least as early as 1998, if not much earlier.

>>140468379
>probably since the BETAs are actually making use of the carriers

This would be the only thing that really indicates that the Superior survived, but I'm not sure how that would be possible. One would expect that Kashgar would have been the one Hive where they would have made absolutely sure.

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>>140469793
> One would expect that Kashgar would have been the one Hive where they would have made absolutely sure.

They did pour it all on the continent since it actually sank the whole damn land and made salt deserts out of it, They probably fucked up by forgetting that the BETAs doesn't care about water or that maybe that Superior survive due to how deep kashgar is?

>>140470080

Kind of? Operation Babalyon was described as a simultaneous mass strategic assault on every Hive in the world - they weren't just G-Bombing open tracts of land. Considering the importance and significance of Kashgar, you would expect that they would drop a half-dozen or so G-Bombs mixed in with a several dozen vanilla B41s (25 Mt yield configuration, of course) with several times that number of decoys for each nuke. If the Lasers focus on wearing down the Lazaford Field on the G-Bombs, that occupies the Heavy Lasers long enough that the odds that at least one nuke doesn't get close enough to obliterate all of them become extremely small.

This then opens the path for the second wave of weapons, which are likely just G-bombs targeting a subsurface encirclement detonation pattern with one bomb detonated right on top of (or right next to) the Hive Monumnet and the rest in a ring around it a few kilometers away.

Given the depth of Kashgar, it would not be imprudent to drop an additional nuclear earth penetrator down the main shaft while you are blasting the outer Hive Stabs.

>>140468201
> this is a japanese christmas cake
how?

>>140470944
People die young in the muv luv universe

>>140471019
it was confirmed in Duelist

>>140471078
BETA are the main cause of death, not duels

>>140471288
w-what?
Duelist occurs in the Extra setting

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>>140470840
>Given the depth of Kashgar, it would not be imprudent to drop an additional nuclear earth penetrator down the main shaft while you are blasting the outer Hive Stabs.

Though they would love to that, in TDA after the g bombs drop the Low-orbit satellites began to plummeted to the Earth, while othe other satellites were basically cut off due to g bombs anomalies while also the fact theat the mega tsunamis were destroying the world and they have np chance to that since they were busy trying to keep alive

>>140471399
Are you talking about that game where Takeru rapes the girls after beating them on a card game?


FUCK
THAT
SHIT

>>140471761
did you feel guilty raping the girls as you beat them as they cry ''Stop! it hurts'' and lay on the floor unconscious?

>>140471761
>>140471876
i cant read moon
oh god is that what i was doing?

>>140471876
I never asked for this

>>140471950
Yes
you rape your friends
Did you rike it?

>got pretty close to the end of alt
>pc died and lost all my save points and stuff

I really should finish it but I can't stop putting it off.

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>>140472023
I dont know if things will ever be the same

>>140468643
Because he's the great arbiter of justice. Without him, Beatrix and Lise wouldn't be as miserable as they deserve to be.

>>140472160
You are still a good person, right?

MUVLUV ARE ALL SHIT

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>>140472233
anon, I'm already a demon

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What's up with the explosion in Lise art lately?

>>140472268
STANDING

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>>140472251

>>140472251
Off to the gulag with you
>>140472283
animeonlys stoped sperging about her

>>140472283
Lise a cute and deserves love.

>>140469793
>get caught up in a minefield and get bombed
>evade it completely, bring some lasers and deploy new units two weeks later

Nah, the superior survived. Experimentation only makes sense if there is someone to process all the Data, and the normal cores and BETA don't do that.

>>140472410
That can be applied to all the SM girls

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>>140463231
>>140465102
She's basically like Hitler. Hitler thought he was helping humanity out by wiping out the untermensch, when all he was doing was frittering away resourced that would've been better spent on the war. He also was extremely wasteful with the lives of his soldiers, especially on the Eastern front, showing the same callous disregard of human life that Beatrix did. Finally, when he was sitting in his bunker as Berlin was shelled, he went on record as saying that he wished everyone would die with him, again matching up with Beatrix's mentality. We don't even need to mention their ability to inspire almost cult like devotion in their followers, how they both came to power through force, or how the both have black hair.

Ergo, Beatrix is based off of Hitler, in the same way that Axmann is based off of Heydrich.

>>140472371
Lise's nothing special.

>>140472508
Suzy, Beatrix, and the Merkel look alike aren't cute at all.

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I can't wait for TLs but the anime seems kind of shitty
what did everyone else do?

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>>140472555
Look who is back

Lise is not my type of girl but she needs love too
>>140472599
There is always exceptions

>>140472694

Thank you for alerting us before speaking, anon.

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>>140472599

Beato is pretty cute

>>140472864
I want to easily overpower and rape Beatrix.

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>>140472864
>>140472901

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>>140472508

>>140472945
I said that there are exceptions
>>140472940
>been ok with raping Beatrix
?

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>>140473016
freudian slip

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>>140472901
She doesn't look like she'd have the physiology to really put up much resistance. Sure, she's a tall girl and she's probably an even better fighter than Irisdina, but if you get up into her guard and grapple her, you'd negate a lot of that. She can't be that heavy and doesn't exactly look very muscular.

>>140473089
Typical

>>140473093
I want her to scold me for raping her

>>140472945
Looks more like Von der Leyen to me.

>>140472427
>Nah, the superior survived. Experimentation only makes sense if there is someone to process all the Data, and the normal cores and BETA don't do that.

We don't really have any basis for comparison. We know that the BETA were conducting human experimentation at Yokohama Hive, which would be late-1998 and early 1999. Operation Lucifer successfully reduced the Hive in early August of '99, meaning there's a two year gap between then and period of the game (late '01) when we know the Superior is fully armed and operational.

If it is correct that the Superior is required for the BETA to conduct human experimentation, that would point at my theory that it really isn't as big a deal as Yuuko made it out to be. We know that the human race survived two years from the end of Alt IV until the beginning of Operation Babalyon. If the superior was active as far back as 1998, this would mean it was active for five years without accomplishing anything, and is thus on the same tier as Grapper-kun.

Then again, TDA is already fucked enough it wouldn't take much to push it over the edge. How did the interior of North America get turned into a wasteland, anyway?

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Lise just awakens my fatherly feelings so much.
I want to spoil her and have non-sexual cuddle-times with her.

What`s the current Interdimensional Matress installment? The one where anon proposes on the sly and Lise kisses him?

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>>140473093
>and grapple her

>>140473229
Gravitational anomalies led to a huge drop in air pressure which rendered it uninhabitable, coupled with the Wind bringing in Salt, slowly turning everything into a desert.

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>>140473364

Huh. I was under the impression that it was South America that was lifted out of the troposphere.

Those gravitational anomalies could be useful. TO overcome at least 60% or so of atmospheric pressure, they'd need to be strong enough to cause some M.C. Escher shit with anything heavier than air; you could set up a loop of water (Pro mode: use mercury) and extract INFINITE ENERGY.

>>140473564
I love how in that site thing when you try to touch her hand she angrily goes "you can't do that to me, I'm your superior, there will be consequences" then on a second try ends up enjoying it.

It's cute as fuck, for some reason.
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/character06.html

>>140473564
I want to bully her by putting lewds everywhere

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>>140473699
>Hey, stop it! I don't like how I look without my glasses!
>You should fix your [uniform] collar. If your uniform is in dissaray then your heart will be in dissaray aswell.
>Thank you for trying to loosen it up (massaging) but that's a bit too strong--- nng!!
>W- well... if it's just a handshake then I don't... mind
>That's your ration, isn't it. It's fine, you don't have to go that far.

3cute5me

>>140473855
All of them are cute, even Beatrix. The only girl who isn't is Sylwia.

>>140473916
She has trust issues

>>140473646
There is no word on South america, as far as I know. Considering that the UN still exists, and that there are others besides the Japs, Murricans, Frogs and Canadians participating in the JFK operation, at least some parts of South America might be still inhabited.

Those gravitational anomalies are pretty weirdly distributed though. Hibiki and Yuzuka crossed the continent on foot without running into one, but south of Oregon air pressure drops to the point that you need pressurized trains and well Virginia, seems to lack an Atmosphere.

>>140473916
>tickling Lise
I would do that for hours.

>>140473229
>Then again, TDA is already fucked enough it wouldn't take much to push it over the edge. How did the interior of North America get turned into a wasteland, anyway?

The remaining humans probably wont be able to handle a weekly BETA rush if it happens. Most of the colonies left in TDA just need two or three sparks to flip it upside down

>>140473970
Im pretty sure zerberus units which probably from the euro front participated in the JFK hive operation though it was only just one scene.

Muv Luv 83 when?

Corporate spies stealing TSF manufacturing secrets for their respective corporations while the BETA war happens in the background and occasionally the foreground when the MC has to go to a facility that is closer to the frontline. He is actually trying to find out what Alternative III was because his sister was one of the orphans used and he hasn't seen her since. The arcs would mostly be self contained with a few characters and plot lines carrying over to slowly create the overarching narrative of the MC trying to find his sister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFSpS8Kx6c

>>140474373
What episdoe are you on?

>>140474373
Watching Deutschland`83 reignited a passion for good old spy thriller in me. SM threads are simply a goldmine like that.

New Schwarzesmarken LN chapter when?

>>140474805
There was a new chapter of BiS released yesterday.

>>140472555
I don't think Hitler was ever forced into being a Nazi like Beatrix was.

>>140474850
Previous thread?

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>>140474992
>ベアトリクスは、父・アーベルから東ドイツの一般市民を恐怖によって統制する秘密警察、国家保安省に入って権力を握り、暴走を抑える役目を負ってほしいと告げられる。一方、アイリスディーナと3ヵ月振りに再会したユルゲンは、士官学校での訓練の様子について訪ねるのだが……。

>So Abel is probably the hugest dick in SM. After years of political maneuvering, he finally takes control of the stasi as their minister and begins using them as a vehicle for personal power. Fear grips the land, and even his own daughter isn't safe when he impresses her into the fold. The very first thing he tries to do is break her of her morals by forcing her to kill runaways (she's only like 16-17 at this point). Some more bad shit happens, and Jurgen and Iris meet up at the NVA academy after three months of not talking to one another.

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>>140475062
Why does Mimzuki draw such a delicious Beatrix but is so shit at drawing Irisdina?

How can you say you love her if you can't even let her kill your friends?

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>>140475062

Ok, so Beatrix might have a rock baby of her own. There seem to be a ton of parallels and similarities between herself and Lise at the same age, which is probably what drew her to try and help Lise realize her dream.

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Irisdina is made for marriage.

>>140475062
So can anyone confirm the translation of the Japanese summary. I plugged it into Bing/Google/Systran translate and it makes it sound like Beatrix might have entered the stasi willingly despite her father because she wanted to instill fear in the East German citizenry.

>>140474469
Episode 5. RIP Linda.

>>140474495
Deutschland 86 soon.

>>140475221
Lise and Beatrix are extremely similar. They both even have the same motivations.

>>140475364
I hope so.
If they do make it, they just have to do 89.

>>140473970

Yeah.

It's worth noting that a Nimitz-class carrier isn't independently pressurized, and the JFK Hive was south of Hawaii, but the atmosphere was apparently still breathable.

Also, I checked, Mother Goose 1 took orbital recon photos which indicated that South America had been shifted 12-13,000 meters relative to the atmosphere as a whole. This elevates it to right around the cruising height of commercial jetliners, and would render it uninhabitable.

A few salient points; Northern Virginia isn't that much further south than the southern border of Oregon (California is freakishly large) and we see the French Bastards with what appear to be Humvees along with their space suit infantry on the white house lawn. A few salient points; normal internal combustion engines would not work in a depressurized environment; either you'd need compressors to get the air to burn fuel, or carry your own supply of oxygen.

Second, in a true vacuum environment, the grass would be looking less... not exposed to vacuum.

It seems more likely that they deployed a chemical or biological weapon; a spacesuit would be great protection from either and might be more available than dedicated NBC gear on short notice.

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>>140465792
>>140465946
Fucking hell.....

>>140475309
Well, we already know from previous quotes that Beatrix absolutely hates being used as a "tool" for East Germany and her father, so I'd say that it would be out of character for her to willingly enter the stasi. Who knows though, maybe she did it to escape her father.

>>140475221
whats a rock baby?

>>140475309

That sounds about right.

>>140475533
You mean that she was forced, or that she went willingly. This is pretty huge determining whether one should view her with sympathy, or hate.

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>>140475489

Ask Lise

>>140474373
>episode where the absolute defence line breaks completely and MC is in a race against the clock to get the fuck out of Europe with what he was managed to steal before the BETA arrive
>seeing BETA attacks from a civilian perspective
>MC has to fight his way to an airplane as there are limited seats and everyone wants to survive
This needs to be a thing.

>>140475852
but isn't Lise a virgin?

>>140476198
Nice joke here.

>>140476259
I am waiting to read the VN

>>140476291
LN is the basis, and we know enough.

>>140476319
cant read moon
guess thats kind of a letdown though

>>140475666

That she went willingly.

She didn't like being used as a tool, but being on the other end of that situation is another matter. She signed on with the Stasi because she saw it as the best way to implement what she though were Jurgen's ideals.

>>140476415
If I was Jürgen I would break-up with such a sociopath immediatly and leave the conuntry immediately because angry yandere ex-girlfriend.

>>140476415
That doesn't make a lot of sense considering Jurgen would've still been around to tell her no. It's reasonable to think that she may have began serving them willingly after Jurgen's death, but not before.

>>140476415
One of the lines she said back in chapter three was basically "I don't want my life to be tied to the stasi."

>>140475319
>>140475364
>>140475395

Quite a ride isn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRxxYALW8Q

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>>140476582
Beatrix is canonically the hottest girl in a cast full of gorgeous woman. She's the type who's face launched wars in the past. Men will put up with some pretty outrageous things for pussy like her's.

>>140476957
If you want a woman, just rape her, don't go to a war over her

>>140476198

I'm not taking about a calcified stillborn fetus though

>>140476198
Well, she might have a few virginities remaining.
Some are confirmed lost unfortunately.

>>140476840
Edel's gay ass was unbearable though

>>140477272
>muh peace

what a fag

>>140476957

I dunno, Jurgen seems to be the only person in the Goddamn story with both practical experience and something resembling a functional moral compass.

Well shiet, I`ve just learned that Prince died. Who`s next of the oldschool fags? Boy George?

Time to rewatch Felidae, I guess. Should work well after D`83, it even has eugenics and catnazis.

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>>140477467
You have to take into consideration that Jurgen really, really wants to penetrated Beatrix's hymen.

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Good scans when?

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>>140478212
Soon I hope
>>140478320
noice

anyone can tell me name of the song plays at the end of episode 11 before ed ?

>>140478638
"It ain't me"

>>140477040
The Greeks disagree with you apparently.

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>>140478638
Anon named it just Insert Song on his rip. You can get it from the BD rips that are up.

>>140479363
>>140478638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bSRlmv5YnE
ty

>>140479410
They should've played this when Theo killed Beatrix.

>>140479553

In the VN soundtrack, it's named 'Oder-Neisse Line'.

And for the record, they should have played this:

https://youtu.be/iboGnkk4yGc?t=44s

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>>140475221
Oh no ;_;

>>140475364
What if he's another monster by the time of 86?

>>140475421
>>140473970
>>140473646
>>140473364
It's best not to think about the science or logic of TDA, friends.

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>>140479553
The LN did not portray it as a good thing though. The anime changes things around to make Theo more heroic. In the LN, the stab is from Beatrix's perspective. She's caught off guard by Theo turning his MiG around and tries to dodge but her MiG is unresponsive:

（急降下攻撃──その技は研究済みだ──！）
(A swooping attack-he researched his technique!)

「それが切り札とはな──見損なったぞ、テオドール・エーベルバッハ！」
"So this is your trump-I misjudged you Theodor Eberbach!"

Then, Theo disables her last arm before hitting her fuselage. They crash into a set of apartments and her MiG is totally dead. She tries to give her MiG a kick, but it won't move and she's stuck there. She can't see anything because of the damage, she can only hear the alarm sirens. She's virtually defenseless. Then Theo coup-de-grace's her.

　もつれながらマンションの壁に２機が叩き付けられる。網膜には機体各所が大破したことを示すウィンドと警告音。蹴り飛ばそうとするが機体が反応しない。
『────！』
　外部マイクが衛士の獅し子し吼くを拾う。そして自身の胸元に迫る短刀──ベアトリクスはそれを満足気に見つめた。

The two entangled aircraft slammed into the apartment building. From her retinal display and blaring alarms, Beatrix could tell that her aircraft was destroyed. She tried to give her MiG a kick and get it flying, but her aircraft is completely unresponsive.
『────！』(Beatrix freaking out basically)
Then her external microphones began picking up the sound of her machine being rent. She could only stare in resignation/satisfaction as the knife approached her chest.


It's a very slight difference, but extremely important nonetheless. Theo killed Beatrix when she was unable to fight back. He executed her. They also removed Theo's last line to her as she's dying, something that's extremely important to the whole Master=Theo theory.

　テオドールは気持ちを落ち着かせるよう深呼吸を繰り返した。そして、吐き捨てるように呟く。
「……社会主義は、宗教を否定しているんじゃ無なかったのかよ」

Theodor breathed deep over and over to calm himself down. And he muttered/spat out:
"...Communism is nothing for it denies religion" (ironically, she's not even really a Communist)

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>>140481575
Why is it so drastically different in the anime? Even the pics in the LN make it clear that he's killing a downed opponent.

>>140481575
;_;

Also, that last line probably needs a better, not direct translation. Probably means "it denies God."

Still, it seems completely out of place so I dunno.

>>140481758
Because Watanabe lacks the ability to understand that SM is not good vs evil, but rather the tragedy of two dumb bitches bringing about the fall of Europe.

>>140482091
Bravo Watanabe

>>140482086
>Still, it seems completely out of place so I dunno.
No, Theo was going on an on to Beatrix about his promise to Irisdina earlier, and he has a very flawed, but fanatical understanding of Iris and her God. It would seem out of place in the anime though.

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>>140481575
Man, now I'm angry again. Fuck Theodor. Why couldn't Walter have been the brotagonist?

>>140481529
Venom Martin has a nice ring to it.

>>140482663
>monster

pls

>>140481575

Does it really matter, though? It's not like he can see the mechanical telltales on her mech, and giant robot knife fighting is going to take place at reflex-computer speeds.

>>140483414
No, he knows. The LN makes it clear that there's a delay between the crash and the stab. Even then, both her arms were chopped off, she couldn't do shit.

>>140482737
He's already a demon

>>140468846
Takeru is buthurt that Marimo likes Hibiki more than him.
Hibiki is like a young Takeru so of course Marimo went with the youngest version, that shotacon.

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>watching more Deutschland 83
>Walter
>Ingrid (variation of Inghild)
>Ursula

Okay seriously what the fuck. I'm kinda spooked now.

>>140482627

>Walther is Brotagonist
>Sylwia gets healed
>Walther convinces Iris to reach out to Beatrix and apologize for what happened to Jurgen
>Walther convinces Beatrix to accept the apology and work together with Iris
>DDR relocates to Cuba in an organized withdrawal
> The second Cour is on the beaches of Havana, wearing only swimsuits.

>>140483597
>Literally saved Europe
>demon
how?
>>140483760
Is nice, isn't it?

>>140481575
How would the animeonlies reacted if we got the edgy LN version of her death?

>>140481575
I honestly like the anime version of her death better. I'm hoping the VN goes with it over the LN.

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>>140484332
How much more bad taste can one person have?

The VN will probably have an even more emotional and hurtful dialogue than the LN.

Serb time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEWJVWiWMQ

>>140484408
It just seems to edgy in my opinion. I don't like how it makes Beatrix out to be a victim. In the anime, it's more of a fight and the ending feels more satisfactory. That sword to the arm followed up by the cockpit stab was so much more badass than a pathetic shanking when Beatrix is beaten. It cheapens both characters in my mind.

>>140484537
Your mind has to be at least 18 to be on 4chan, son.

Clearly it's not there yet.

>>140483975
>It's only the 2nd episode, and Martin already got cucked
>this nigga blew his cover to contact this girl

Jesus Christ, that's depressing.

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It's the day after your proposal, and you're with Lise at a stonemason's yard. When you had gotten in the car that morning, you had expected to go with her to pick out a ring, but she shook her head, telling you that she didn't need a band of gold to convince her that you really loved her. Before she committed herself to you, however, she needed to settle something else. You're in a dusty workshop, staring at a piece of red granite cut into the shape of an urn. There is a hole drilled into the top, so that you can use the urn as a vase to hold flowers. A bronze plaque on the pedestal simply reads "Theodore Eberbach"

There will be no grave, no plot of land to call his own. Instead, you'll simply keep it in your living room, where you currently have a cardboard box full of old DVDs. It's better this way, because Lise can be with her brother whenever she fees she needs it. She's staring at it, clutching her hands to her breast while you stand to her side slowly rubbing her back. The masons wrap it in a moving blanket, and load it into the back of your Camry. It's not too large, maybe only 50kg, so you figure you can get it inside just fine. As you're driving back, she finally speaks.

"I don't want to let go."

"That's OK, you don't have to. Maybe we'll find out what happened to him, and you'll get to see him again."

She sniffs, then breaks into a giggle.

"It's funny, isn't it. We're buying a memorial for a person who isn't dead, because they aren't dead."

"I guess, but how else can you do this? There isn't really an established convention for this sort of thing, is there?"

"He rejected me, so I can't take him back as a lover, but you can't just give up on your siblings like that, can you? OK, maybe he did, but I want to think that was a mistake. I still want him to be my brother. No, He'll be my brother despite everything he's done, and everything he failed to do. I still want him to come back to the family one day."

>>140484786
Nice comeback. I've described why I prefer the anime over the LN, why don't you tell us why you like the LN instead.

>>140484906
W-wow anon I don't know how to feel right now...

>>140484911

I'm a different guy, but having a glorious, satisfying fight scene misses the point of the death entirely. While killing her may or may not have been necessary in the long term, the point is to make her death seem pointless, and deny her any catharsis or closure, because that's part of the tragedy of her character. Beatrix is a pathetic person who pawned her soul to try and achieve her interpretation of her lover's dream, because that's all she had, and in the end, despite everything, it wasn't enough, and she doesn't really die in battle, she dies alone and scared at the hands of a person who hates her for all the things she hates about herself.

>>140484833
Keep watching

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>>140484906
>using and yet not using the grave idea

>>140485250
I think that's spot on. Theo hates her for everything she isn't too. She becomes his stand in for everything the stasi has done to him and Lise, but when he kills her, there's no satisfaction in his revenge to his surprise, only a feeling of emptiness.

呼吸は荒いままで落ち着かない。勝利の実感はない。
His breathing was unsteady and rough. There was no sense of triumph in this.

>>140485291
>he's falling for the hippy commune general's daughter
>her aunt thinks he may have raped her

Oh Martin

>>140485859
>trusting the drunk aunt

>>140485769
I love how Theo totally buys Axmann's little lies about Beatrix and blames her for Lise.

>>140486010
Ketchup tells people what they want to hear
Same case with Gretel

>>140485768

I liked it, but I think the idea of keeping it personal, like ashes on the mantel, is a little more consistent with their characters, as it's a little more private

>>140486076
I know, I'm just saying...feels.

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>>140481575
>>140485250
>>140485769
Do you guys think Theo was justified in what he did to Beatrix?

>>140483975
He is alienated from almost everybody he knows and they hate him. He got Linda killed, was responsible for a bomb detonation, the general's daughter hates him, the general hates him, his wife became a yandere who also cucked him. I could go on. The series just fucked with Martin until he broke. Compare him in the beginning to him in the final scene. Smile and optimism status: gone.

Unless you were talking about Venom Snake.

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>>140485898
>random possibly Vietnamese girl

WHAT THE FLYING FUCK.

>>140486595
I know. The parallels with Schwarzesmarken are ridiculous. Wait until later in the episode.

>>140486393

Given the information he had available to him at the time, and the commitments he had undertaken to other parties at the time, I think he was justified in killing her.

I don't think he could have allowed her to live without changing basically everything about the second half of the show (which is hopefully what will happen in martyrs)

It's sad for us because as viewers, we realize how pointless and unnecessary it is, but Theo is totally unaware of all the dynamics that make that so.

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>>140484911
Because, her anime death is the outgrowth of a lie, which is her anime characterization. Her anime death, and it's shuddering triumphalism simply was the end process of a person without motivations, without belief, without organic connections to a life. And even her passing was silent, which was supposed to be the end catharisis of all that had happened, and the moment Theodore realized the whole truth, was turned into a non-show. And on top, it simply served no emotional connection to the viewer, besides cheap triumphalism, when the whole point was that you're supposed to not feel right about it - even Theo does not in the LN.

The whole point of her death was that she would haunt Theodore for the rest of his days.

>>140486580
>He got Linda killed
He asked for the problem to be solved
>was responsible for a bomb detonation
He killed the perpetrator
>the general's daughter hates him
remove hippies
>the general hates him
He blow up his cover to stop a nuclear war
>his wife became a yandere who also cucked him
She outcucked Thomas and denounced it to the Stasi