Haifuri

Wait why is there an assumption a traitor is on board?

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>>140410287
My money is still on Ritsuko.

Someone did mention however, that it would make for Kouko to be the one, hence why she throws around conspiracy theories (she knows they are true).

>>140410287
I bet it's Kuro, who knows she's going to lose Shiro and makes a deal to take Mike out of the picture.

>>140410450
Why Ritsuko? I don't remember her even appearing.

If there's a traitor they're not doing a very good job seeing how the Harekaze already managed two easy victories.

>>140410500
I don't trust her profile pic. She also has access to the tube and torpedoes, so she could have done the switching around without arousing suspicion.

>>140410512
they're doing a good job of wearing it down. A few more "surprise attacks" and we'll have ourselves a crisis situation.

>>140410512
Harekaze's victories is according to keikaku.

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>>140410287
>harUkaze
you post the wrong version anon

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>>140410287
Mike : Moka? Is that you?
Moka : You tell me.
Mike : I'm done playing games, Moka-
Moka : I assure you, this is no game.

Moka : It seems that reports of my... survival... have been greatly exaggerated.
Mike : This isn't possible.
Moka : Oh, I assure you, it is.
Mike : How?!
Moka : Not how. Why. You were never meant to come here.

Mike : What happened here was out of my control.
Moka : Was it? None of this would've happened if you'd just stopped. But on you marched. And for what?
Mike : We tried to save you.
Moka : You're no savior. Your talents lie elsewhere.

Mike : This isn't my fault!
Moka : It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him. And if the truth is undeniable, you create your own. The truth, Mike, is that you're here because you wanted to feel like something you're not: A HERO. I'm here because you can't accept what you've done. It broke you. You needed someone to blame, so you cast it on me, a dead man.

Moka: I know the truth is hard to hear, Mike, but it's time. You're all that's left, and we can't live this lie forever. (points a gun at Walker) I'm going to count to five, then I'm pulling the trigger.
Mike: You're not real, this is all in my head.
Moka: Are you sure? Maybe it's in mine. One.
Mike: No. Everything... all this... it was YOUR fault!
Moka: If that's what you believe, then shoot me! Two.
Mike: I... I didn't mean to hurt anybody...
Moka: No one ever does, Walker. Three...

(Mike has just shot Moka)
Moka: It takes a strong man to deny what's in front of him.
Mike: Stronger than you were.
Moka: Whatever you say, Mike. No matter what happens next, don't be too hard on yourself. Even now, after all you've done, you can still go home. Lucky you.

So, when do we get the next PV, again? And is this on any regular place's streaming schedule?

>>140410287
Why not Harakaze, you fart?

>>140411562
PV somewhere between Wednesday night and Thursday morning.

Could someone link me the previous thread for reference purpose? (Not link to archive site)

>>140412755
>>140372377

>>140412804
thanks.

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>>140410973
>he doesn't know

>>140412930
>sees
>not feels jammed up her rear tube

>>140410427
The man whom the cartel sicarios killed was the President's friend, and he had an excuse to send an operation to Colombia.

>>140411678
Japan time right? Soon then?

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its the teacher she's unconcious so she can't say anything yet

Mike = Nanoha
Moeka = Hayate
Wilhelmina = Fate?

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Mike and her girls.

>>140410287
Kuro

She was tasked to kill the Chairman's daughter. Unfortunately, Shiro didn't take a bite on her curry which might be poisoned.

>>140413365
I'm going to be really disappointed if German girl ends up being shit. She has very high best girl potential.

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There is no traitor
Nobody will die

>>140413411
>very high best girl potential
>very high
>look like meat
>voiced by a hentai VA
Really? She has the typical blonde slut written all over her.

The cat. It has a tracking device.

>>140413494
>the entire situation was caused by mike stealing notgarfield and the owner contacting the police to get him returned from the dangerous cat thief

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>>140410287
IT WAS ME.

THAT'S RIGHT.
I AM KIRA.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
KILL ME?

>>140413411
11/10 My prediction says she'll be "desu wa" type.

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>>140413530
HEAR THIS.

I AM NOT ONLY KIRA.

I AM...THE GOD OF THE NEW WORLD.

>>140413535
Nah, she looked too intense for that in the episode and too open for that in all of the artwork.

>>140410287
the cook

>>140413621
Why would the cooks teach Mike and Moka cooking if they were traitors?

>>140413670
They are going to teach them the wrong way to prepare pufferfish.

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>>140413530
>>140413535
Oh no you don't.
>>140413604
What artwork? She doesn't look all that intense in the OP.

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> I would like to have seen Montana

>>140413604
Desu wa doesn't always mean they're retard-oujo, anon.

Nishinoshima is Nippon clay.

>>140413816
It does usually indicate being less down-to-earth, though, and that might not fit her presumed role as the only one with any idea what's going on.

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Shiro chan is mai boifurendo

Mashiro is the best girl in the show.

>>140410287
>Harukaze

>>140413928
Poster maker made a corrected version but people wouldn't stop posting that

Moka is the cutest and prettiest and sexiest girl in the show.

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>>140413975
>So wrong in so few words

>>140413975
Moka is the creamiest, sweetest, most full-flavoured girl in the show.

So in the future this is going to become like GUP threads where autists circlejerk and post their waifus?

>>140414126
What you mean future? Every /a/ thread is like that.

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Why is Torpedo so popular?

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>>140414086
I want Moka to cream inside me every night.

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>>140414335
MOEKA

>>140414273
Her shtick is actually cool and likable unlike many other of the crew. Plus blowing shit up is always cool so of course the resident torpedo officer would gain some extra popularity.

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>>140413791

>>140414356
Fine, she can cum inside me too.

>>140413740
MATSUDA.

YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

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>>140414273
She is cute

>>140414414
What is she thinking?

>>140414428
>what's poking me in the back of the head?

>>140414428
>those aren't my legs

>>140414428
>'I wish that she was in front of me rather than behind me

>>140414428
>is she wet?

>>140414428
>something smells fishy

>>140414428
>my hair is heavy all of a sudden

With all these sexual responses now I'm wondering how feasible it would be for a girl to masturbate using another girl's neck.

>>140414623
I don't see how it would be any different to say grinding on her thigh, although the owner of the neck would probably find it a lot less comfortable.

>>140414428
"Why did I end up with these people?"

>>140414637
You can't be picky. The captain only has so many thighs to go round.

>>140414623
Nona, pls. The GuP thread is that way >>140398452

>>140414428
"WHERE THE HELL ARE MY TORPEDOES?!"

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>>140410287
I still hope for a best for Mike.
Even if it's episode 3, this don't mean she will lose her friend one way (death) or another (betrayal)

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I cannot wait.

>>140415083
As long as they can make up at the end I Won't really mind the Moka as enemy plot tbqh.

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>>140413365
>>140415189

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>>140415189
Neither can my dick.

>>140415235
>episode 12
>each captain stands on the bow of her ship as they charge
>MOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>MIKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>the ships collide
>both girls are thrown into the air
>time slows as the girls embrace in the air

>>140415525
Moka's ship is several times larger though.

>>140410287
This meme would've made more sense if this was a submarine anime

>>140415600
>implying that matters when you're an anime protagonist with a burning heart

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Just watched the first 2 eps, the plot is interesting but I'm really puzzled by this and would like some explanation if possible
>ships were put to civilian use as a symbol that they wouldn't be used for war, but somehow still fully armed and little girls are already well-trained to use them
>massive warships are left for high school girls to control and not a single teacher/supervisor
is on board
>the girls are apparently strong enough to operate the ship's equipment, yet a single person is too heavy for them to carry

>>140415827
The little girls in warships thing is just tradition, there hasn't been an actual war for like 100 years so the culture is that they're just operating a peacetime ship with military capacity.

The ships were also retrofitted to allow operation by little girls, or rather retrofitted to allow a smaller crew, automating the heavier tasks. Ships like that running on 100 man crews is silly, so they've done some technomagic to get it down to 100 people at all.

The girls passed their tests, the part we're seeing is the part where they're first allowed out on their own after all the training.

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>>140415883
>>140415827
I am autistic enough to tell you that the original crew compliment for a Kagero class destroyer was about 250. A modern day LCS would have about 50-60. The ship could operate on less number than that.

These ships are ridiculously automated. Surface scan radars are available with PPI, see pic.

>>140415883
>The little girls in warships thing is just tradition, there hasn't been an actual war for like 100 years so the culture is that they're just operating a peacetime ship with military capacity.
But what about them being so skilled at firing torpedoes? As you said it has been peace for a long time, and they are pretty much operating a civilian ship, so I don't see any reason for them being taught about warfare.

>>140416047
You know that the Japanese developed homing torpedoes by 1945 right? Captain Hara specifically mentioned in his memoir that the Yahagi was provided with homing torpedoes by that point in time (Yahagi's designed to handle the oxygen type 93 61cm torpedoes)

>>140416047
Just because there's been peace for a long time doesn't mean their navy won't maintain some weapons and train with them. You never know when you suddenly won't be at peace anymore, and if you're not at least somewhat prepared, you're not going to be much of anything for much longer.

>>140416047
Somebody needs to keep godzilla & co subdued.

>>140416116
>>140416109
>>140416047

There's no denying that we don't have dedicated torpedoman like that anymore. That girl's essentially a true blue Torpedo officer in IJN style.

>>140416154
Honestly, given everything else about the setting, there being a dedicated torpedoman is the least of the things tugging at suspension of disbelief.

>>140415600
Mike will probs be on Yamato at that time.

>>140416109
>You know that the Japanese developed homing torpedoes by 1945 right? Captain Hara specifically mentioned in his memoir that the Yahagi was provided with homing torpedoes by that point in time (Yahagi's designed to handle the oxygen type 93 61cm torpedoes)
Interesting, but I thought the series is set in an alternate timeline where most of Japan's land mass was lost and there was no WW2?
>>140416116
But the ships in the maritime school are all used for civilian purpose right? And they said only most not all warships were converted, so wouldn't it be better to keep a regular navy force (no matter how small) with those ships on standby for defense purpose instead of training little girls to learn warfare skills which they might never use? Seems to me the "we won't use them ships for war" thing is just in name only.

>>140416273
Is Mike even going to move to bigger ships in this show though? Not that I mind that, but I've not seen featured ship getting replaced with some other ship ever.

>>140416356
These gunboats are armed to the teeth, not vessels that you would use for coast guard cutters. I don't really buy the whole 'non-military' use, and it's hard for me to think the same for Blue Mermaid as an organization.

>>140416359
Well, it'd have a poetic "sister ships and best friends battling each other" sort of a vibe.

>>140416356
You aren't wiggling your way out of this one. Japan here still followed much of the naval developments after the Washington Naval conference in our time. The Kagerous are descendants of the first 2000t destroyers armed with 61 torps, being the Fubuki class, and we saw Takao-class cruisers, who made their debut in 1931.

>>140416356
To a certain extent, you just have to roll with it and enjoy the schoolgirls-operating-warships ride, or give up and watch something that makes more sense to you.

>>140416359
>but I've not seen featured ship getting replaced with some other ship ever.
Didn't the One Piece gang get a new ship at least once?

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I want to have a quickie with her in the crow's nest.

>>140416047
>what about them being so skilled at firing torpedoes?
Which part of "school where they teach them (among other things) how to fire torpedoes" has been unclear, Anon?

>>140416356
>wouldn't it be better to keep a regular navy force (no matter how small) with those ships
those ships are obsolete and the navy find no use on them

>>140416571
I don't think the girl had any real-life experience in firing torpedoes. This looks to be their first-ever ship assignment.

>>140416609
Not everyone is the decrepit Philippines Navy. I am pretty sure that Japan doesn't need to rely on world war 2 tincans that ran on very fuel hungry steam turbines by this point in time.

>>140416475
Guess I'll do that since the plot and characters are fairly interesting. I'm just trying to see if the premise makes any sense or if it's just another convenient excuse to feature a cast of cute girls.
>>140416454
>Japan here still followed much of the naval developments after the Washington Naval conference in our time. The Kagerous are descendants of the first 2000t destroyers armed with 61 torps, being the Fubuki class, and we saw Takao-class cruisers, who made their debut in 1931.
That's what puzzles me, they said Japan had been at peace since the Russo-Japanese war which is 1905 but somehow still developed shitload of warships for god knows what reason.
>>140416609
Does that mean there's already a Navy force in the series with even better and more modern ships? Then I don't see any reasons to teach people who civilian ships how to war.

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This is a German Jack Ryan.

>>140416708
>I'm just trying to see if the premise makes any sense or if it's just another convenient excuse to feature a cast of cute girls.
It might come to make a bit more sense as the series goes on and we learn more about the world it's set in, but it's pretty likely it's just an excuse for cute girls.

>>140416708
This is just one of those shows with settings you shouldn't think too deeply about, just like GuP with the whole aircraft carrier town thing.

>>140416807
Those things. Those things are fucking awesome but jesus christ they are like fucking space ships that don't fly and are home to all girl high schools with tanks. You ask any questions and the whole thing falls apart, and that is before thinking about the tank sport thing.

So fucking weird but I love them. I would have loved to have seen below the deck more.

>>140415189
JAPED

>>140416708
Japan has sunk. They are collection ships nation now.

>>140417025
*collection of ships

>>140417025
I can see it happening like this:
1. Japan sinks
2. They chill the fuck out with invading China and antagonizing the US
3. Britain as an ally sends help
4. US has no reason to embargo them, also sends help
5. Japan rebuilds with international support
6. Washington Treaty Lite et al happens with fewer restrictions as Japan isn't a belligerent naval threat anymore, the in-universe version is probably where female captains only starts
7. No embargoes mean Japan is free to build the ships they want, no wars also means they don't need to build an enormous fleet either
8. They build only a few of their historical classes and focus mainly on upgrading them through to the present time

>>140415712
So Arpeggio of Blue Steel?

>>140417456
And be the bitch of international superpowers since they have literally zero GDP.

>>140417456
They also have the excuse of using military-grade ships for civilian use as long as they have female sailors.

>>140416718
>how did you know I'm a lesbo and was going to rescue you?
>well it was a guess but it seemed logical

dead

>>140420248
death on two legs

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>>140420248
dead?

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>>140420596
Hopefully not.

>>140420596
Spilled Mocha

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>>140420596
No you chuckle tits.

Is this from the same as that manga where there is a chapter about an ignorant American who thinks that America is stronk, but then spends a semester in Japan and finds out that it was really Japan who was stronk all along?

>>140420677
it's from GUP guy

Even if the show turns out darker than I expect it will and Moeka dies, there's no way it'll happen this early. We know so little about the characters that any death at this stage will not have anywhere near the impact it should.

Just saw some mentioned, those 30000, 40000, 50000 mentioned in the anime are actually referring to 3, 4, 5 nautical miles, i.e. 10000=1 nautical miles

>>140421890
and thus 3000 = 562.5 meter

>>140421876
Personally I've been getting Yuuki Yuna vibes from these first two episodes.
The part where everyone on the bridge is making light of the situation while the captain is blankly staring off to the side was pretty foreboding.

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>>140421876
I'll hold you to that, anonymous.

>>140421876
Moeka's not a main character so it's not like we would learn a lot more about her either way. All we need to know is that she's the MC's childhood friend and they share a dream of becoming Blue Mermaids together. That's enough to justify killing her off for some quick drama and character development for Mike.

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>>140414273

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>there will never be a military anime with a initially large group of girls who slowly get killed off one by one

really what the fuck is up with this show. it went from 0 to 100 in one 15 god damn minutes holy shit.

And what idiot in their right mind decides to put first year students inside and ship and then expects "oh nothing could possibly go wrong"

what the fuck japan.

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>>140422784
If only.

>>140423238
Depending on how much previous training they had, teenagers as young as 14 could serve well in the military.
This is of course assuming they've gone through intensive, strict military training for years. It seems that all the girls in the show went through some form of training or another for years. Its not like they are plucking random teenagers from a bag and throwing them onto these ships.

>>140410527
They don't even have a live torpedo to switch with. But don't let me stop your wild theories

I want to be in lesbians with Macchi!

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>>140422784

Lone Survivor anime adaption with lolis fucking when?

>>140422784
I know.
That's one of reasons for large cast, to have casualties but nope.

>>140416047
>I don't see any reason for them being taught about warfare.

Even when a nation is demilitarized like germany after ww1, they still gonna be training up arms n shit. The treaty required them to staff ships with girls, so naturally they're going to make them the most battlehardened girls they can be. This is japans way of subverting the perceived weakness of their navy.

During the first episode Mike specified to fire a dummy torpedo implying that they also carried live ones. Then how in episode two did they end up with none left? Doesn't episode 2 happen a few hours after?

>>140424127
large casts nowadays are to fit in as many archetypes as possible so that as many people can waifu one of your characters and will buy your merchandise.
Killing characters is killing sales, unfortunately.
This can only happen in manga because manga does not really on waifu sales, just book sales.

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>>140424180
It may be implied they wanted to fire another dummy torpedo, which they don't have anymore. My wild guess.

>>140424180
The rice cooker broke so they have to use torpedo shell to cook rice.

>>140424227
But killing characters make them more popular, especially if they died in good way.

Also I was talking about large cast in military story with real conflict where people die.

>>140424325
I'm just saying why this show has so many characters; to fill as many archetypes as possible.

Why isn't Mei put up on the block and shot when she obviously has ADHD and is an embarrassment to glorious nippon?

>>140423238
The senpai are probably on bigger ships.

>>140424422
Shiro*

>>140424267
I could see this being true. They brought up torpedoes before even considering using their guns.
I'm assuming it escalates as: Dummy torpedo < guns < torpedo.
I hope that they end up throwing potatoes at a submarine.

>>140424387
Look at it the other way around, you need at least that many people to crew a ship of that size so for anime purposes you have to fill them in with archetypes so they aren't all just mob characters.

>>140424463
Shiro has done nothing wrong.

>>140424845
Being the worst character on the show is wrong enough.

>>140424387
I liken the crew to space battleship yamato or soyokaze from Tylor.

Could rest of the ship's crew stop Meki from driving the ship away from Japan mainland?

>>140424845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EajwG3x0k9U
Shiro in a nutshell.

>>140424845
She's a bitch to every single one of the bridge crews though.

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>traitor
Probably none. Threat is probably external, from what we've seen so far.
If I had to say for certain tho, I'd guess best girl Rin. She was the one who got them lost in the first place, putting them behind schedule, thus making the ploy of "Our teacher is attacking us because we're late" seem legit to the students. So she could be in cahoots with that external force.

>>140420677
>ignorant American
redundant

>>140425505
>honor student stuck with the lowest scorers

You'd be annoyed too.

>>140420987
scriptwriter and military advisor are both same as GuP - which is a good thing.

>>140425569
But someone exchanged the dummy torpedo for a live one, so maybe it's Torpedochan.

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>>140423428
ITT: Faggots who think you can't have drama, dark conspirations, depth, character development and PTSD without character deaths.
Hint: It was made by Aniplex, too

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>>140424279
>The rice cooker broke
Never forget ;_;7

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I can't shake that feeling that she might be one of those annoying brat type characters that are known in most anime these days.

>>140425965
Rin and Torp-chan in cahoots?

Mebbe, anon.

Still tho, this feels more like something along the lines of an external threat. Maybe Teacher has some vendetta, or this is just the entirety of the Blue Mermaids training that is SUPAH SECRET. Get everyone involved in actual naval warfare and the survivors become Blue Mermaids.

>>140425843
Will we get this show Yukari Tank Corner version?

>>140425985
I don't think anything of the sort but the idea of cute girls dying awful deaths in an anime appeals to me none the less.

>>140425965
The whole thing was probably set up by one of the higher ups.
The captain of the ship is some hyper-active dipshit while the honor student is second in command
The engine was probably sabotaged so that the ship would arrive late
And either the dummy torpedo was switched before they set off, or it really was a dummy torpedo and the other ship sank itself as some kind of political maneuver.
Its likely that the low scorers on the ship as being used as pawns to justify some kind of political action

>>140426208
We don't have a Yukari-clone in Haifuri, so unlikely. But I'd be 120% glad to be proved wrong.

>>140426250
It'd probably be something like Coco doing an explanation like she did for Spee

But the script for GuP was terrible. The main crew had plot armor 2 feet thick and everyone they faced came off as incompetent imbeciles.
They kept switching between 'this is how tanks were in real life, much different than video games' and 'wow look at this crazy bullshit, pretty cool huh?' that it became boring.
It never felt like the main characters won because they were great, it felt like the main characters won because everyone else was terrible.

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>>140426350
>plot armor
You don't understand what that word means, it seems. Pic related - incidentally, from an /ak/ thread, but not talking only about GuP

>>140424227
>Killing characters is killing sales, unfortunately.
That's why killing Moka is perfect. They get to raise the stakes and drama because Mike cares about her, but the audience doesn't lose anything because Moka doesn't get any screen time or attention either way.

>>140426797
>That's why killing Moka is perfect. They get to raise the stakes and drama because Mike cares about her, but the audience doesn't lose anything because Moka doesn't get any screen time or attention either way.
Then you don't get it; killing a character the audience don't care about, is a waste of a death. If the audience don't care, if we can't feel what Mike feels, then it failed as a story telling device.

>>140422784
Welcome to Simoun, enjoy your stay.

>>140427053
Mamiina ;_;7

>>140426761
Plot armor is when something that is outside the main characters' control somehow ends favoring the main characters. It's basically luck, but it's so convenient and sometimes it happens so often that it breaks immersion. The stormtrooper effect is a typical case of plot armor, for example.

Now, talking specifically about GuP, the most obvious case of plot armor was at the beginning of their match against Kuromorimine. Kuromorimine shoots at the flag tank and was going to be a clean hit, but then another tank suffers some inconvenient and somehow ends up getting in the way, coincidentally saving the flag tank. Way to convenient.

>>140427087
My brother of African descent.

Time to rewatch.

>>140426350
Sorry for digressing about another series, but this is relevant:

>everyone they faced came off as incompetent imbeciles.
Actually,
- Darjeeling spoted and dealt with a trap vby-the-numbers
- Kay lost because of a deliberate, sportsmanslike decision - her defeat is treated as AWESOME
- Anchovy used a VERY cunning envelopment plan that almost worked
-Katyusha made an excellent trap to envelop the enemy, and also made a very good second trap that didn't work because crazy plan, that's why (even pointed out in-universe)
- Maho lost because of rigid doctrine, but that was the series' whole point, not she being incompetent
TL;DR: none was defeated by own stupidity, but by MC actios. See below.

Relevance for Haifuri: when a rival does what is to be expected, and the MC wins because he did the unexpected, it's not that the rival is imbecile.
Case in point, the Spee not evading. Thta was not "imbecility", that was "they're in a destroyer and we're in a pocket battleship, our armor should protect us well enoygh without our evasives ruining our own aim"

>>140426912
You don't get it. The audiences care because the main character cares. It's like when Mami died. It was too soon for the audience to care about Mami in particular, but we did care about the suffering Madoka was going through because of Mami's death.

>>140427143
Good point.

In Hai-furi's case the plot armor is that the Spee can't hit neither the Harukaze, nor Mike when she takes her newly aquired harem member and runs back, but they could hit the escaping girl's boat. They hit when it's convenient for the narrative and miss when it's not. Textbook case of plot armor.

>>140414428
>What's this moist feeling in my neck?

>>140426912
Who dropped Simoun because Mamiina died a hero's death?

>>140427226
>Harukaze

>>140427207
>It's like when Mami died. It was too soon for the audience to care about Mami in particular
What?

Mami had enough development and was present in the three episodes enough that people cared for her. Mami was the undeniably the most popular character up to the point of her death. The reason why it was such a shitstorm was because people cared for her.

This is unlike Kisaragi from Kancolle where literally no one gave a shit and thought it was hilariously bad when they tried to make it dramatic. And despite Mutsuki suffering no one still gave a shit.

>>140427143
>Thta was not "imbecility", that was "they're in a destroyer and we're in a pocket battleship, our armor should protect us well enoygh without our evasives ruining our own aim"
Some anon said they didn't use their secondary armament. Isn't that imbecility?

>>140427122
>Plot armor is when something that is outside the main characters' control somehow ends favoring the main characters.
No it isn't. As stated, you are mistaken about what "plot armor" means. Read the second red-squared box in the image. Note that the text I quoted is clearly part of the "something is implausible".
Luck *always* favoring the MCs instead of sometimes helping, sometimes hurting, is *usually* a sign of poor writting unless it's central to the story like Captain Tylor; done right it's also a tool, but it's not plot armor; it's a different thing.

Staying in the series we're using as example (and again stating the relevance is that it shares screenwriter with Haifuri), MC gets super-lucky twice (the secen you say and the the screencap says), runs out of luck once (end of first battle, they aim for turret side but because of lucky enemy movement they hit main armor), and gets simple bad luck once (ricochet on their main armor jams their turret).
Given that, I vaticine we'll have a similar mix of good and bad luck in Haifuri.

>>140427226
Good point.
In scriptwriter's defence, they didn't get direct hits against neither evading target and only near-mises against both. Just that such near-mises were ignored by Harezake yet capsized the boat.
It might not even be plot armor, but if it is, it's a minor case... for now.

>>140427326
>Mami had enough development
She got some screentime, but we didn't know anything about her except a little bit about how she made her wish. If that's enough for you too care, good for you. But I still think what most people really felt was Madoka's reaction.

>This is unlike Kisaragi from Kancolle where literally no one gave a shit and thought it was hilariously bad when they tried to make it dramatic. And despite Mutsuki suffering no one still gave a shit.
I didn't watch Kancolle, but if nothing else, this shows how some writers think they don't need to spend a lot of time on character they're gonna kill.

>>140427519
>Captain Tylor
He's to "MC is always lucky" what Roberta is to plot armor

>>140427628
>But I still think what most people really felt was Madoka's reaction.
You're wrong, simple as that.

>>140427519
>secen
*scene
Gomen

>>140427700
Sure, whatever.

>>140427370
Maybe it's "lack of enough gunners with our 30-strong crew to woman all the ten turrets"

>>140416509
Twice, although the first one was just a fishing boat

>>140427960
>Maybe
Or maybe not. We don't even know how many people they have (it's another school and all) or how automated their equipment is.

>>140425965
What if the dummy torpedo was just a real one? No way you can know right

Will there be more shitposting if she dies or if she stays alive?

>>140425965
>But someone exchanged the dummy torpedo for a live one
It was Sarushima.

>>140428245
>Or maybe not
hence "maybe" instead of "surely", Anon. Even if my money is on that.

>>140428884
dies

>>140428884
There's gonna be shitposting either way. It's not like not dying in episode 3 means she won't die in episode 4 and so on. She will keep being the most likely to die.

>>140428683
If that battleship-simker Type 93 had been real and had actually worked, you'd have needed an Ocean Cleanup Array to pick up Sarushima's -err, sorry, EX-Sarushima's- pieces

>>140429103
>simker
*sinker

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episode 3 EDGE incoming

>>140422784
Muv-luv?

>>140429277
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIN

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I want to cosplay this show. I figure it'll be easy to make the school uniform first then pick a character since they're all wearing the same thing.

Which girl should I pick?

>>140429693
Akeno

>>140429693
>>>/cgl/

>>140429693
>>140429776
>not picking Mocha

>>140429693
reo
I will love you eternally for it

>>140429693
None. Go be fat somewhere else.

>>140429693
Torpedo-chan.

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>>140429916
this tbqh senpai

>>140429693

Torpedo-chan because cute hoodie.

>>140429776
>>140429916
I'll take them into consideration

>>140429883
She's wearing a very different uniform

>>140429999
There are at least 3 torpedo girls, which one did you have in mind?

>>140430128

> There are at least 3 torpedo girls

But there's only one Torpedo-chan.

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>>140430205
Don't you dare forget Smug Torpedo.

>>140430128
>not going for the superior uniform

>>140429693
The Rice cooker

>>140430128
>She's wearing a very different uniform
That's the point. If you're gonna cosplay, it should be something more than a typical sera fuku. You see that everywhere.

>>140429277
I just noticed that aniplex are huge dicks if your IP isn't from Japan.

inb4 ep 3 pv is just more slice of life content again.

>>140431241
The double bait+switch.

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>>140431241
>expecting anything else
Its a new Type of SoL

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>>140430241
>Genki Torpedo
>Smug Torpedo
and what kind of Torpedo is Ritsuko?

>>140427960

Shit's automated, you see nobody in the Haukaze's turrets. When it's automated to that degree the only humans during operation are at fire control, the number of turrets doesn't matter.

The likely reasons are plot armor and to save money by not having to build a moving model and animate the secondaries on a ship that only appears a few times.

>>140431241
That's exactly what I want.

>>140427143
The Germans deployed a Maus in the middle of the city. That was completely idiotic. Its far to slow to chase any of the other tanks and its vastly superior range was completely taken out of consideration because of how close-quaters city combat can be. All the MCs team had to do was leave the city and the Maus would no longer be a threat.
When they fought the russians, they were all backed into a warehouse with only one exit and the Russians had plenty of time to set up around them. The fact that they escaped without losing a single tank, just because they did a special friendship dance, was complete bullshit and ruined the other wise awesome trap they set up later. Before this, most of the fights seemed pretty good.

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This wait is killing me.

>>140429693
The ship.

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>>140429693

>>140429693
Marko Ramius

I have been late for school several times and the teachers were never this cunty about it

>>140432236
Feel free to move to the GuP thread to discuss this further if you want, that's a bit over simple examples used for reference.

The TL;DR of it is,
–urban combat (read: over hard concrete) was actually best usage for that tank, ANY OTHER usage of a 188 Tn, slow-as-fuck, underpowered, no-real-cross-road-capability tank is what would have been imbecile, and leaving the city would have been suicidal (imbecile itself) with a large, superior enemy force in open field - they were trying to HIDE in the city to begin with, and the tank's only purpose was to deny them that. In fact, the "German" commander had been studying the MC's tactics and knew they were skilled in urban combat and would likely try it - placing a nasty trap to deny them their likely tactic is anything but stupid;

and

–they escaped not because the encirclement was badly set up --in fact it was VERY well done, with a fake weak point to act as an easily-closed "trap for imbeciles" kill zone--, but because they avoided the deliberately set up kill zone; moreover, the "friendship dance" had nothing to do with that - they used a sacrificial tank to break through the hardest point (in fact, the operation name was a BoBoBo reference to him often hiding behind a friend!). inb4"they didn't change positions", you don't when you're leaking your position to the enemy. inb4 "they missed all shots when exiting the building" (church, not warehouse, BTW), because you do NOT supress enemy movement TOWARDS a kill zone - you funnel them to it.

I'm aware that many actual tactics look "he made a mistake" to the amateur, but that's the whole point of traps and set-ups.

>>140433760
Having the same scrptwriter and military adviser, I bet on more traps and setups that look like a mistake in this series. Just giving fair warning that we'll have flamewars over them

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Will the Blue Mermaids find Mermaid island?

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>>140410287
It's this girl, because who the fuck

>>140433952
I would expect mistakes too. No script writer and supervisor is perfect, after all.

>>140433760
>In fact, the "German" commander had been studying the MC's tactics and knew
and
>>140433952
>Having the same scrptwriter
I bet on whoever is the main antagonist will have an "I wonder if the weapons at my disposal will be enough" moment, seen from behind, "Wanderer above the Sea of Fog" style, much like Maho had in GuP.

>>140412967
Why is the World Meme Database's text displaced backwards?

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>>140434100
That, too. But that's a given.
Also I expect some of pic related

>>140434146
>I bet on whoever is the main antagonist will have an "I wonder if the weapons at my disposal will be enough" moment, seen from behind, "Wanderer above the Sea of Fog" style, much like Maho had in GuP.
I doubt it. That kinda thing usually comes from the director, not writers or advisers.

Will we see more cool ship DORIFTO next episode, /a/?

>>140426235

It was specified as a training torpedo and not a dummy torpedo.

Training torpedoes used on target ships are still explosive to give visual feedback in training, somewhat akin to what one would see in a real torpedo explosion.

But it's not enough to pierce through the torpedo belt (on larger target ships) or go through the torpedo bulkhead (on retrofitted destroyers and light cruisers).

The ship shouldn't sink. Meanwhile a torpedo hit would absolutely fuck that double hull up and likely capsize it in less than a minute. If it wasn't a training torp, the long lance would have absolutely shrekt that side of the hull and likely knocked it off.

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>>140434723
Maron a cute

CUTE

>>140434734
>shouldn't sink

Well yeah, but I can't shake the feeling that the ship WAS meant to sink.

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>>140434506
All ships "drift" a little when they turn fast, so probably.

>>140425965
The sarushima was not sunk by the torpedo. They scuttled it to make it look like it.

>>140434967

Definitely. Likely assumed the torpedo would have been live and the hit (or near hit) that flooded the engine room and broke the rice cooker caused casualties.

Training torpedo or not, an explosion is bad for the ship. Any failure to have the ship purposely built for that or failure to have even a single shred of damage control will still cause the ship to sink.

Or in that case, because of the double hull catamaran design, lost very heavily.

>>140435341
>lost very heavily
you see exactly that. Someone post the cap, but when you see it from above, leaking oil, the impact's side is taking water

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>>140435764
You can also see the ship listing to the side in the next shot.

>>140435973
thanks

>>140423238
Yeah, reminded me a bit of a Walkabout. Throw the freshmen to the fire and see who comes out the least carbonized.

>>140424424
I would have thought to see senpai on as the Captain of every ship, presenting the XO with the majority of their duties and acting in a supervisory role. Teachers would be a bit of a stretch given their own number and availability. The military integrates.

I've been trying to decode the message Furushou sent in the last scene of EP1.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0sOSvcebBn3

Does anyone here know enough morse to decode it?

>>140436673
Gibberish

>>140436673
>>140436838
so we have better morse /k/ode in fucking Ponyo?

>>140436673
"We got rekt'd by a renegade class of 14 yr olds. plz halp"

It's generic morse code sounds that doesn't mean anything

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>>140432236
>>140433760
(and continuation cross-thread)
Congrats, Anons, for having an interesting discussion with no namecalling. *Some* others should learn how to.

We had this moment with Haifuri just now. All of our discussion have yielded that:

the gunnery accuracy of the Spee exceeds what would've been done without some form of radar assistance
the fact that surface scanning radar gives a good PPI readout on these ships
the difficulty for a capital ship to engage a destroyer at this very close range
the lack of incentive for the Spee to change heading in order to counter the Harekaze
the critical strike on the screw shaft is able to cause very threatening machinery damage to the Spee

It leads to the conclusion that the plot armor here is not the implausibility of the whole engagement, but in Captain Mike's unnatural aptitude at command under fire.

>>140438118
I feel like the show doesn't know what it is right now.
It's trying to be both a SOL comedy and an edgy drama, but is unable to pick one or the other.

>>140438118
>Captain Mike's unnatural aptitude at command under fire.
As expected of the MC of an Anime series
That being par for the course, and the rest being better than average, I can't complain

>>140438316
"GuP + SnW with ships" seems to be an amusingly accurate description.

>>140438118
You forgot the Spee didn't fire the secondaries
>>140431600

>>140438404
The secondaries were shooting at Mike

>>140431600
>The likely reasons are >>140427960 and to save money
FTFY

>>140438404
>>140438455
The secondaries should have engaged the Harekaze (wing turret guns were actually designed with this task in mind), yet they weren't used for that. It's a tactical blunder, a very costly one at that.

>>140438118
In both episodes when she makes up her mind on how to attack and starts closing in, the enemies ships stop firing at her. Before she has a plan its constant bombardment, once she starts with her plan the enemy ships seems to stop firing

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>>140438118
>but in Captain Mike's unnatural aptitude at command under fire
>>140438340
>As expected of the MC of an Anime series

I honestly was expecting Mike to whine about not knowing what to do from how she spoke with sensei and her general surprise at becoming captain. I was more impressed that she was actually capable. She manned right up to do what was best for her crew.

>>140410287
Kouko.

>>140438768
>She manned right up to do what was best for her crew.
and rightfully so. I'm so fucking tired of beta MCs

>>140431241
>>140431293
They should double bluff and show the girls crying/saluting so you think someone has died but then it's just the foretold rice cooker funeral.

>>140438880
I would like a middle ground more myself though.

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>>140438118

Indeed it is.

Also, you must remember that the Graf Spee is the same way as the other ships in the Japanese fleet, but German. This is of course a very anglosphere dominated world, but as if world war 2 did not happen due to the circumstances extending along the pacific rim from the tectonic shift. That's likely the explanation. The British, French, and American territories along the rim would have felt the effect.

>>140438502

But of course it's an anime, so the Japanese ships are of better technological advancement than the German ship. The Graf Spee being used for the exchange students is likely the original Graf Spee, and like all things given to foreign exchange students in outreach programs (I'll use Samoa and football as an example in that regard), the equipment is of lesser quality. The Spee was never meant for this purpose, but he exchange outreach brought her back into this use.

The radar guidance is top notch, but the 15cm guns are world war 1 era. The 28cm guns likely need a desperate refit as well. For the purposes of foreign exchange one can assume the secondary turrets only number one per side and are not apart of the same firing suite. Likely there is little to any amount of ammo in reserve for them, as they fit no goals in the training. The shot that destroyed the ship from the captain is most definitely a training shell. Likely a very light and cheap AP. The standard shell is APHE or HE for all guns.

It's like the torpedoes on the destroyer. There is one for what they would use it for.

The Graf Spee is not carrying torpedoes, carrying a few training shells for the 15cm, but carrying a full load for the 28cm guns, as the main guns fulfill the purpose of their training in foreign exchange. Gunnery trials and training with the main guns is pivotal, especially because it's so early in the year and training.

>>140438987
You're making a whole lot of assumptions, you know? Doesn't make for a convincing argument.

>>140438768
>>140438880
That took more than just manning up. Mike quickly realized what was at stake, and she acted with decisiveness and a degree of professionalism that is not universal among skippers. Many career officers would fare no better than Mashiro has.

I don't see a little girl wearing a peaked cap; I see a seasoned Japanese Destroyer Captain on that bridge, a man from the very navy that produced the Asian Nelson.

>>140438502

Wing turret guns were not designed for the task in mind.

They were designed only for that task in mind. She was built as a battleship but the construction was watched over (lazily in regards to displacement) by the allied parties of the treaty of Versailles. They permitted the 11 inch guns, something incredibly paltry for what was looking to be a 16 inch standard for the pre Washington naval ships built just pre treaty. The weak armor as well.

The 15cm guns ripped straight from world war 1 era cruisers (and the Emden class post war cruiser) were permitted as close in weaponry. They really didn't have the range to be used as a proper secondary battery, and if even used as such, would be nigh ineffective at such ranges. The Spee was unlike the Bismark and Tirpitz, as she was used for engagements at far ranges with the inability to brawl like a real battleship.

The 11 inch guns had an extremely high muzzle velocity, Great range, and a fast reload (reload post refit) just for this niche.

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>>140439098
>I don't see a little girl wearing a peaked cap; I see a seasoned Japanese Destroyer Captain on that bridge, a man from the very navy that produced the Asian Nelson.

>yfw she read pic related that she got from our world

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No traitors here tovarisch )))))

>>140415345
Someone edit this.

>>140439078

It's assumptions at least made with evidence.

The destroyer only having a single torpedo at least points towards this.

And the main firing battery being the only one with proper ammo makes sense. The main battery on the destroyer has a full load but 1 training torp. A Kagero class without torpedoes is as useful as a long range dildo. It's still used to fuck something, and can still properly fuck something, but with much difficulty.

So that's what I am basing it on. The same way the dummy torpedo explodes like a real long lance but with a very small explosive load (for the feedback), the training shells are just that. They're weak steel and scrap metal. They give a feedback with splashes around the water, where the tracer and spotter gives feedback to if you hit the target.

The point of a target boat in its usage for gunnery practice is to make sure gunnery practice can be done repeatedly and over long periods of time without the target sinking.

That's just how I explain it in universe because I'm an autist /k/unt.

It's to save animation costs. The Spee will either return with a full load or not be seen again. It makes sense if it's a one scene ship.

But I hope they spend the wasted money on the large battles with capital ships in them. Musashi's secondaries from her 155s to the 127s better be going off.

>also

I didn't look too closely but did you see how the anti aircraft guns were non existent?

I think it's a cool touch for the in universe design change. Need to go back and look at the musashi.

>>140439704
And make it Shiro in the picture.

>>140439770
give me a good picture of mashiro to use, and i'll do it. a screenshot would work fine

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>>140439849
This is the best one I have, but it's more annoyed than threatened.

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>>140439098
How long until she breaks?

>>140439915
probably if moeka dies

>>140439763
>Musashi's secondaries from her 155s to the 127s better be going off.
Can the Harekaze do anything against Musashi? They don't even have torpedoes now. What can they do?

>>140440036
What if she's a traitor?

>>140439763
Harekaze actually has what look like single-mount Hotchkiss 25mm guns, however, I think those are more for point defense against armed speedboats and whatnot than for anti-air duty, if there really are no planes in this world.

>>140440197
That too. Specially if the Musashi engages the Harekaze and kills some of Mike's girls.

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>>140440046

>Musashi is going to join them.

>They're going to run at full speed and the engine nearly explodes. Someone dies

>Musashi is found sinking and they gain another crew member. That crew member might be dead.

Pick one. The last one if death kills the mood.

Also, in news about my throbbing erection.

>AA and AAA batteries are taken out of the Yamato class ships
>the ball range finders in the same shape as the secondaries are still there with their original purpose intact
>the AA suite on the side is replaced by a triple 155 turret like the original design called for before they hot glued the Googly eye anti aircraft in response to early war learning
>she's more streamlined to reflect this, and is missing some of the extra firing control and rangefinding also like the original design

These nips did some research. My dick is diamonds.

>>140440348
The 15.5cm guns on the Musashi has been called the finest cruiser guns that the Japanese came up with, maybe the finest guns from their navy. Many have voiced out some disappointment from Mogami moving to the 20.3cm guns instead of keeping to these triple 15.5s.

>military anime with a secret bad guy
what are the stakes for the big badie being American?

>>140440348
So, if the Musashi doesn't join them (or is already sinking for some retarded reason), then you're saying the Harekaze doesn't have any way to win. Is that it?

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>>140440249

Indeed she does. You can catch them in some shots, but she has 2 25mm cannons in single mounts for point defense.

She would likely have more for proper point defense against the fast boats in the universe, but the 127mm cannon fit into that role well whereas the 25mm makes up for what it slightly lacks, but not enough to break the in universe explanation for why the blue mermaids exist.

The Yamato point defense is more 155 cannon in triple mounts akin to the pre naval treaty ships with the hull covered in casemates.

The design is making me moist.

>>140440654
Small guys don't win.

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>>140440348
It's not that they did their research, it's that they're portraying the ship in her original 1941 armament. The AA gun castle would be installed over several refits to Yamato and Musashi through the course of 1943-1945 (Musashi obviously never got as maxed out as Yamato). Check it out, purple circles are 25mm AA fire directors, while the red circles show the shielded 25mm AA guns and shielded 127mm dual purpose guns.

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>>140439915
>>140439098
>>140438768

So this here is what you see?

>>140414273

Among other things, her sweatshirt actually makes her far easier to remember. People made fun of harems with a character each with different hair color, but now we get this and I can barely remember anyone.

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>>140440760

I'm hoping some people die so these girls stop acting like obnoxious children.

>>140441138
I bet your mom wanted that for you too.

>>140428892
So Sarushima was an inside job?

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I wouldn't want Moeka to end up like Admiral Thomas Phillips when the Prince of Wales went down.

>James Milne (rank unknown, a pom-pom gunner from Prince of Wales), told Japanese reporters:

>Admiral Sir Thomas Phillips stood on the bridge from the beginning to the end. A destroyer drew near just before his ship sank and signalled, "Come aboard". But he answered, "No thank you". Raising his arm in salute from the bridge, he went down with the ship. Captain Leach stayed with Admiral Phillips at salute [sic] and... they disappeared into the sea as if swallowed by it.

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Which girls would love getting impregnated?

>>140441313
Mike definitely.

>>140441313
Depends on who uses the Pleasure slaves in the bowels of the ship the most.

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>>140440467

Well they were also strengthened as well as given armor, something they had to do with most other cruisers after the storm issues where they nearly lost the ryujo.

She was far too light as built and was stressed heavily even when sailed in standard (not typhoon level) seas. The turrets were too large and heavy with the 3 guns, and there was a crippling issue with the way the guns had to be reloaded in combat, basically ruining the firing rate and making her less effective than the already tried and tested dual 20cm gun turrets. They had to lower the gun elevation drastically with every shot fired, something that should not be present on a cruiser using brass cased ammunition. (unless I'm fucking up and the japs didn't use brass cased rounds on their light cruisers like the Americans)

It's ok on a battleship, but on a cruiser where firing rate and continuous firing accuracy is a key point, it kills the purpose and effectiveness.

The issues were fixed on the Yamato. Those turrets had the room necessary to operate, the structure beneath them, and a loading mechanism with the degrees of solidity and wiggle room that was not afforded to the Mogami CL.

The triple 155 turrets on the side of the Yamato as she was designed would have made her a far more effective battleship than she was. She would have had more armor afforded to her hull and superstructure, and she would have been more accurate without the mess that was her jerry rigged fire control and rangefinding for the hastily put together AA suites. It would have run as a smoother operation in total.

They never used her or her sister properly to begin with. She never got a proper chance.

>here's a pic of the Yamato in construction with the 15.5cm gun turret

>>140441361
Is Mashiro the homosexual in denial of this series?

>>140441361
One wonders why she signed up in the first place.

>>140441411
Because she wanted to be a BURU MAMEIDO, not munch on beef curtains.

>>140441476
A BURUMA MEDIO you say?

>>140441396
Tsunderes are often in denial.

>>140440761

Oh shit.

Thanks for the correction.

I assumed those 25mm balls were still rangefinding for the 127mm and 155mm.

I guess you can call that a 1939 fit (if it was any fit at all and not just original design proposal). I'm still confused whether or not she was purpose built with the 25mm balls however. I know the 127mm was more for point defense than anti aircraft pre 1939.

It would make sense if they were purpose built, but makes even more sense if they were added on in response to the hype surrounding the 28mm anti aircraft gun and the Pom Pom development. The 28mm with most of the bugs worked out was being fitted to ships. Arizona only got hers properly to be fitted a little after Pearl Harbor, so they never got there. Not like those pieces of shit would have made much of a difference.

Thank god the bofors became standard.

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>>140441361
Kek'd, good work anon.

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>>140440654

Basically.

What can a destroyer do against the fucking Yamato class? Its127mm Point defense guns are the same size as the Kagero class main arnament.

The 155's dwarf the Kagero in number of guns alone, much less size. And of course 18 inch fuck you Washington Wilson cannons.

There is no asspull they can use with the Harekaze beating the Musashi and still stay realistic in the slightest. Unless the live torpedoes are onboard and they were only out of dummy torpedoes.

Musashi is going to be in trouble and joins the Harekaze. I can imagine a group of light cruisers or a light cruiser and a few destroyers attacking. That's the likely outcome.

>mfw Motel Musashi joins and is its own resupply port for the fleet
>they resupply the Harekaze with parts and ammo as well as fuel and food
>Hotel and Motel will never get rid of their nicknames

>>140442201
The only time the Yamato actually battled, it was chased off by destroyers and destroyer escorts, all this while it was in a company a few battleships, heavy cruisers, light cruisers and other destroyers.
Its weapon aiming systems were really outdated, so even though it had really big guns that could shoot far, a mobile target could get in very close. I believe that some destroyers in that battle got so close that everything the Yamato shot at them just went over their head because she couldn't aim her guns any lower.

>>140442451
battleships aren't meant to be alone

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>>140442451

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>>140441303

>Pom Pom firing from atop turret 2

>not the ungodly awful and useless UP mounts

Ayy lmao.

I'm still upset about that damn weapon.

>spend money mounting and developing the UP
>use the money that was to be used for the HMS Hood refit, the 5.25 inch DP gun fix, and quality control for the construction and fitting of the rushed KGV class
>ignore the older battleships and battlecruisers in this time as well where you're not exactly in a glut of cash
>find out they don't fucking work and just add extremely volatile explosives on the ship with no way to reload them or the DP without exposing the magazine during operation
>continue mounting and being retarded
>now have to refit the UP carrying ships with Pom poms because the UP is trash
>more neglect

>HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Repulse, and HMS Hood are sunk directly because of the fuckery and lack of glaring issues being addressed

>mfw

Don't get me started on the cruisers either. Its criminal negligence and neglect.

>>140442451
Things like aiming systems should be totally different in these ships considering how automated they are. Isn't the crew of the Musashi just 30 people? That means the ship must be like totally robotized or something.

>>140442201
The torps on the Kagerou class may not even be enough to take down one of the tomato yammy hotels. The Sushi absorbed more than 20 as I recall.

>>140442595
>tfw moka is panicking because the ship has achieved sentience

>>140442595
There's more officers at combat bridge on the real-life Musashi than there are students for one whole class. The flotilla commanding admiral's direct staffs, all senior officers, would alone account for a dozen men at least.

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>>140442521
Based burgers.

>>140442595
Yeah, check out the screenshot of the Yamato-class above. There's clearly modern radars mounted on top of the fire control, I wouldn't be surprised if it was as computerized as Iowa's was, if not even more, considering how far in the future they are.

>>140442985
Are they in the future though? I though it was modern day with alternate history.

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