Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

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>>140403470
Obviously

also have best TSF

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Lise got a special package in the mail earlier today.

What ever could it possibly be?

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How badly would the Machines wreck the BETA?

>>140403725
Several bottles of ketchup.

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Reminder that dead people should stay dead.

>>140403750
They would get rekt the moment they invade the middle east.

Arabs dont like haram machines.

The matrix is dumb and you should feel shame.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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>>140403833

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>>140403725
Well whats it say on the package.

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>>140403780

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>>140403725
>>140403924
It's an ostpacket

>>140404010
>Werder
>not Heinz
One job.

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The cutest.

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>>140404086
Can't get those capitalist brands on the east comrade
>>140404092
Cute as fuck

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>>140404092
You are way out of your league son.

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>>140404182
There is no need to be rude

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>>140404209
Cute is a cutthroat world anon.

Beating up both Gretel and Lise until they're no longer cute!

>>140404258
Don't get triggered by it

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>>140404285
>beating up any of the girls

>>140404285
Beating up anon and having him summarily executed for being a threat to state officers!

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>>140404092
>>140404142
>>140404209
Eh didn't you die in a fire?

>>140404398
The will of the party protects

I want to princess-carry Lise

>>140404556
Lise princess carried Theo through all his troubles. No wonder things only got worse for him after her death.

>>140403470
his a big guy

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>>140403470
Because freedom has no boundaries.

Because freedom is faith in mankind.

Because freedom is the promise of God.

Because freedom is belief in the happy day.

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ttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4

But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g

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Yui, Inia and Cryska are my waifus.

>>140404696
Do dead slavs gives ghost blowjobs?

>you will never heal Lise and make her your wife

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>>140403470
Everyone should learn from Walken

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>>140404831
>multiple waifus

>>140404887
Humans will always be humans Walken

>>140404887
God, Walken was the only person who understood this in the entirety of Alternative.

Imagine having to deal with corrupt American politicians who want you dead, while at the same time being put in a country full of retards who are so stupid they think having the UN in their country is akin to slavery because the Shogun isn't the absolute god of the nation, EVEN WHEN THE SHOGUN HERSELF DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE.

Then you have to deal with a civil war started by these retarded honor fags over the magical shogun and realize you might all die, so you tell somebody to give her some drugs and he's too much of a pussy to do it so you end up dying anyway so some faggot who gets cucked can "die with honor."

Holy shit Walken didn't deserve that shit. The Japanese in Muv-Luv are trash tier.

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>>140404879
If you're trying to summon healinganon he is currently preoccupied.

>>140405065
at least he got redeeming spotlight in TDA where he kick's ass and usually put sense back into people.

>>140405151
Well, too bad.

Still, such a cute girl doesn't deserve things she had to go through.
I would headpat her like there's no tomorrow.

>>140405065
giving the shogun drugs would kill her though.

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>>140405230
>headpat

Why stop there? You know what she really wants.

>>140405307
Marrying her and making her happy enough to forget things she suffered?

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>>140405250
should have done still though, then at least the empire would be handled by a cooperative man who can handle all the political bullshit

>>140405250
It MIGHT have killed her, and the alternative was to all get killed in a forest because you were going 2 mph and the only reason the japs wouldn't do it was because MUH HONOR.

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>>140405469
Of course. She just needs something to focus on, something to take care of, something she can pour her heart and energy into. Like she did with her brother, or helping Beatrix make Germany great again, or lezzing out with Farka.

Buy her a puppy or put a bun in that oven.

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>>140405469
>>140405307
>>140405230
>>140405151
>>140404879

Have fun.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-uMN28GtT68ZPP2gS2Tq5Ipm4yw_odDBLpS3qM_camg/edit?usp=docslist_api

>>140405542
>the japs wouldn't do it was because MUH HONOR.
or that you can be the potential killer of a figure who keeps the morale?

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>>140405624
Not the smartest thing to do.

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>>140405628
>Lise's no good rotten very bad day

Everytime

>>140405668
>Keeps morale

You mean sparks a civil war when you are about to be attacked by a swarm of borderline mindless aliens that outnumber you more than 100:1?

She was real helpful stopping that though, you know, doing the nothing to contribute to it stopping and America and the UN basically doing all the work.

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>>140405682
She would be overjoyed if that had happened. Probably would have saved her life too if Theo knew she was carrying his child.

Was it smart? No.

Was it hot? You betcha.

Then they can ride off into the sunset to live in the west like they planned from the start and have as many kids as it takes to make up for their pooled together kill count.

>>140405781
If she died there then not only there would be an outrage, the refugee liberation font would be successful in their goals and basically would mean that all the refugees in any country would rebel. Gotta have to sacrifice a few people to keep further troubles.

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>>140405065
Hey hey hey now...it's not like they WANTED him dead.

But you know, sometimes a symbol is more powerful than just one man. A man may move millions, but an idea can move billions.

Some choose to live in the shadows so that their bretheren can live a happier life, a better life. Know not who walks in the depths of hell for you. He walks for thee.

Faith, my friend. Walken in life, Walken in death is what it means to be American. Live happy, live free, if not for the sake of yourself or your people, then for the sake of those who didn't.

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>>140406004
AMERICAN SPIRIT OF FREEDOM

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>>140403194
Sideanon here, why so glum?

You don't KNOW that she will not have a route. Beatofags are starting to hope that there is a secret route for them, why not you? Think about it, all these delays.

And now now, I didn't say I was GOING to write her a bad end. I said I would write a story DESPITE that I don't like her. I'm doing this like healinganon, by the seat of my pants. I don't know where I'm taking this. That other anon is probably right though - I think suffering won't be Gretel, it'll likely be Ian Smith. Just like it's Theo who is suffering.

I'm not going to say how it ends, or if I end it, because frankly I don't know either myself. Why not take some time to enjoy Milf Gretel? I didn't even give her Lasik, because I'm pretty sure her meganekko is part of her appeal, no? You tell me what you wanna see.

>>140405628
>Lise discovers 4chan
I wonder how she'd react if she saw all the "Lise is a good girl and deserves good life" posts instead.

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Best Girls!

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>>140406807
But if she stuck around past the show's live run wouldn't she see healinganon's stories

>>140406969
Too meta. Remember what happened last time our main character tried that?

Never pursue that line of thought. It's too dangerous.

Lise if you're reading this I love you.

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>>140404744
My watersbrother!

Roger, being the leftist berserker he is, named the jew recently. It fills my heart with pride.

>>140406378
>motherfucking Ian Smith
>motherfucking MILF Gretel`s ass
>motherfucking Martin lives to see another day
>motherfucking commies and rhodesians together in this shit
>motherfucking leaving the planet together because neither ever die

You wrote all you had to already.

140402820
Thank you anon ;_;

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I've lost count of how many ML/SM threads there have been in the past week. What is this, the seventh?

>>140408371
Iris is love, Iris is life

>>140408360
For this.
>>140402820

Iris is only good for rape.

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Irisdina is made for marriage.

I kind of want to get into Muv Luv, Is watching only the anime good enough to get a good view of the universe?

>>140408740
I love Iris!

>>140408371
There is a new one every 20 hours or so, but some managed to survive up to 30 hours. So yes, this must be the 7th or 8th since last week.

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>>140408964
You'll get the general idea but there's a possibility of turning into a hobbit.

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>>140403661
I am!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j97vLc4PO-k

Would Lise be a sub or dom?

>>140409301
My biggest question is which timeline is official

>>140409398
the alternative timeline

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>>140409369
Natural sub that could dom if you wanted.

>>140409398
Both. They are identical until October 22nd 2001. And all Anime adaptations are set before that, so it doesn't really matter. Then they split and you get Alternative and Unlimited/TDA.

>>140409301
Frodo did nothing wrong.

He simply points out the flaws of this show.

>>140410034
which literally can be answered if you read the VN?

>>140410099
Still does not answer or are poor answers to several questions that one may have.

If the anime expects you to already know the facts and shit to be enjoyable to watch then it is by all means a bad anime.

Muv luv deserve better animes which has better technological solutions (I want fucking rocket pods and ATGM on the TSF NOW) and world building

>>140410099
This turns muh animoo into literal advertisement, very badly done at that.
And VNs are cringe.

>>140409301
To be honest, some of those questions are still relevant even if you read the VN.

Where is my Axmann in America story.
I want more Axmann.

>>140411055
>Axmann
>more

>>140411385
Yes. Because he`s the best girl.

>>140406999
>>140406969

I might do another story where Lise goes meta, because I think she's the kind of person who needs to rationalize her suffering, and also because she'd call bullshit on the central plot device. Maybe I'll throw in some smut as well.

She'd be talking to jurgen because he's the opposite, but I think he also knows it's bullshit and doesn't care.

>>140411580
>meta
Don't, meta is a deathtrap for all but the most skilled of writers.

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>>140411580
Too meta. Don't do it. Let's keep things focused.

Jurgen has the right idea; don't question a really really good thing, just roll with it.

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>>140411055
Soon, maybe. I know we MAGA as fuck tonight, but I got quite a few ideas for maximum suffering of Theo, and a few other threads I'd like to try.

Also I'm doing school papers right now, and gonna watch Pokemon.

>>140409544
Who'd she learn from?

>>140409358
That intro seems really neat, and fuck if I don't have a guiltboner for that song a bit.

>>140411617
You don't want disappearing characters falling into maximum punishment world, do you?

>>140411596
>>140411617

Ok I'll skip the meta, work on the smut. Maybe an hour or so.

>>140411596
>>140411617
What happens if he go meta?

>>140411727

Basically she'd be talking about how she has to confront and excise the trauma from her previous world in order heal the character from that world and not just be a name and a face. But we'll just focus on the smut.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwDIHKnVevo
Wer /deutscheskaiserreich/ hier?

>>140411782
Fuck Willie!

>>140411758
Speaking as the first poster? He'll mess it up and it'll be cringey to read for everyone involved and even more annoying to write and pull the people involved out of character as a natural side-effect of bringing them into a higher sphere of existence compared to their own. I speak from experience, it's incredibly fucking difficult to make any sort of actual meta (as in not simply side-referenced) work.
>>140411782
>posting an epic Willy meme
Back to /gsg/ HPM

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>>140411815
Aww, look at them wee Bolschewisten.

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>>140411737
Oh, go ahead and do it if you want. But I'm piggybacking some elements of mine from yours. I will find a way to twist something you didn't intend into more suffering.

>>140411782
Finally! Original KR poster besides the one I got this off of!

>tfw you will never pal around with your bros in the 69th Wifebeaters Division

Feels.

>>140411854
Off by one faggot.

>>140411860
You got me there.

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>>140411782

>when you get banned from /vg/ for a post 6 hours old that got deleted 5 hours ago
>when you live in an autobanned region so you need a 4chan pass and so can't evade
Fuck me.

>>140411727
Admittedly, no onii-chan, I don't want people to fall into max punishment world.

Yet at the same time, thinking too hard about how and why you were transported from a really shitty world to a relatively peaceful one—through space, time, reality, and death—is like trying to figure out what really goes on beyond the event horizon of a black hole: decent people really shouldn't think too much about it.

The best and arguably sanest thing a person could do is accept that someone/something has decided to give you a second chance and that you should be grateful for it.

And out of curiosity, what sort of school papers?

>>140411854
>willieposter
>calling anyone anything

Fapping to furry guroscat is healthier than your kaizer.

>>140411947
I mean the fundamental problem with understanding something like that is that the human mind is literally unable to conceive of an existence above the boundaries of existence, so to speak. Someone who can transport you through death necessarily exists beyond the confines of death, and that's simple enough but someone who can transport you through realities necessarily exists beyond the confines of reality, and that's some bullshit.

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>>140411782
REMOVE

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>>140411858

I think I gave Theo plenty to suffer over considering his stepmother is back from the dead and helping Beatrix Brehme care for her newborn daughter who is named for his sister.

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>>140412023
Not him but nice.

Also it's not exactly his stepmother. Mom is more his sister-in-law actually, since I think I read somewhere that Dad is his cousin, twice or thrice removed. Kinda messed up but I knew a guy whose uncle was only one year older than him.

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I really expected giant robots fighting aliens bugs but instead what i got is human fighting humans bullshit.

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>>140412013
All the more reason; ours is not to know. The most that can be done is accepting this fact and moving on

Instead, Lise should focus on more sensible things. Like how she'll make love to anon tonight in the missionary position while holding hands, as the latter leans in close and sweetly whispers into her ear "I love you."

>>140412178

Well, adoptive mother, and only.maternal figure in his life (except maybe Iris) is now happily raising the child of one of his worst enemies.

10/10 ending, would peremoga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KWpx-uEgds

>>140412344
>peremoga
>ukrainian anything

Hohly can`t hit anything for shit and constantly get assraped on the front, while shlomo is assraping them from the rear.
Cool arrangement, neocons!

>>140412452
>get assraped on the front
That's what happens when Russian T-90's get deployed to save the moderate eastern rebels from getting rekt early on.

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You're spending another quiet night in with Lise. This is an activity best described as cuddlefucking, because for Lise, you can't have the latter without the former. She's got a lot of baggage to deal with, and while you haven't stooped so far as affirmative consent, you definitely had to spend time learning about all the things she likes or dislikes. The danger is always that she'll get scared, in which case her eyes glass over and she goes totally unresponsive and limp. The first time that happened, incidentally, the first and last time you tried spanking her, you were pretty sure she was dying. It was absolutely terrifying. She also prefers to be able to see your face at all times, which has necessitated the installation of large mirrors on the ceiling, closet doors, and wall at the foot of the bed.

Right now, she's straddling you, with your hands pressed against your shoulders, her fingers intermingled in your own. She's bent over, her surprisingly large breasts pressed into your chest, giving you a hickey because it's honestly difficult for her to kiss you and fuck you at the same time, due to size difference. She rolls her shoulders, pulls on one of your hands, telling you it's time to flip over. As she lands on her back, she lets go of your hands, puts her arms under your own, and reaches up to grab the sides of your head. Her legs wrap around you. crossing her ankles above your tailbone, then she looks you strait in the eye with a pleading intensity.

"Say it again."

"I love you."

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posting best girl

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>>140406845

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>>140412677

>>140412677
We're going in from the front, but does she like the back door too?

>>140412452
Nah, I was referring to SM's end and the DDR's fate and thus used the sarcastic connotation of peremoga. It's one for the moderate rebels right?

Maybe "would Sieg" is better.

>>140413093

unlikely, that kind of thing hurts a lot of you're not eased into it properly, and, well...

>>140413150
I meant more in the sense of eating the booty like groceries.

>>140412677
>"Say it again."
We're nearing insanity here

>>140413346
you smart
you loyal

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>>140406378
Despite having the perfect chance to show a 3rd side of the conflict there will be no route. Save for a few Gretelfags here and there it doesen't have the same demand as the other girls like Lise or Beato (remember the jap poll where she was ranked four or five)
I'm not pining my hopes on a miracle
What can I say I'm a fatalist

>>140406845
Right here

>>140407524
Fight the happy merchants Roger

>>140413368
What

>>140413393
he bad english

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So how quickly will the Extra BETA end up on Nyaa when it gets released to backers?

>>140413448
The fuck is this meme

>>140413175

I feel like she would enjoy it, but she wouldn't let you kiss her afterwards.

>>140413456
Me love you long time

>>140413150
I'm not seeing it, particularly given the apparent need to maintain eye contact.

>>140413346
If you've ever been in love, then it makes sense. Every time the person precious to you utters those words, you feel like you've just touched heaven. You want them to say those magical words over and over and over again. It becomes a reason for existence in and of itself.

Anything and everything for true love.

>>140412452
>>140412639
>hohols
>been competent

>>140413453
probably as fast as everything else

fucking poor fags man

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>>140412796
Man, she sure have a great BLAST on ouka.

>>140412677
This heals the bitter anon a bit.

>and while you haven't stooped so far as affirmative consent
Kek

It's adorable how utterly close she wants to be.

serb time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97eCjWdrvo

>>140415010
Stići će vas naša ruka i u Kashgari!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLCUYVw5K4

>>140415399
remove kebab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-mYg5VDzQ

>>140415399
should have been >Kašgari, but whatever

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>MEANWHILE

Theo's heartrate was starting to go wild. It couldn't be. Anette...she was dead. Because of him. Another...Not yet! There was still a chance.

Theo rocketed forward. "Please God, PLEASE!. Not another one." he screamed as the Su-47 roared forward. He had felt this few times before in his life, one was when Lise had murdered Pham in cold blood. It was a different feeling now though...rather than rage and despair at her, it was now at him. There was still a bottomless well there for Theo to direct hate. What was left was fear.

Theo was suddenly aware of another presence. But there was no one here, except the pod?

"Ah, it's so beautiful here!" he heard a familiar voice exclaim from the shadows.

"W-who's there?" Theo asked. He realized he wasn't in the cockpit anymore, but a snowswept gray skyed field with a lake - the old summer home, nothing more than dust and pain. Her voice came from a nearby field of flowers - and a dark sky.

"Heehee! Theodore, you don't recognize me?" Still shadow. Well no, a figure in it. Short, slim build. Silver hair, with incredibly long bangs. And an unusual blue fortified suit.

"Wait...is that you Inia?"

"Of course it's me! Ah, I'm so happy to finally see you Theo! It's so beautiful, the colors you kept painting for me!" replied the ghostly voice, childlike and happy. Theo realized tears were still coming.

"Why am I seeing you?"

"Silly, we've been together for a long time! I know I wandered in without asking. But it was just so beautiful I had to look...I'm sorry."

"It's...it's fine. Why am I here?"

"Can I come over?"

She was moving closer now. The blue suit of the Soviet espers. As she neared, her approach became harder. Theo held out his hand to help her across. A soft hand, pull as he might, he couldn't get her across the line. "Help her make it across!" - then a flash.

His mother and father were in that other land, hugging and crying with Lise.

"No...please...". The nightmare would never end.

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>>140409398
extra

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>>140411782
Do you know how much goddamn money I would pay for a Kaiserreich version of Deutschland 83? Set in the divided German Kingdom of France in the North and French Empire under Napoleon in the South? Or divided Germany with the syndicalist German Union in the west and Imperial Russian backed Prussia in the East? Or the German Empire backed Russian west vs Japanese Siberian east?

With a kickass intro like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j97vLc4PO-k

Oh dear God. I'm getting hard just thinking about it.

>>140411997
Der Kaiser hat nicht falsch gemacht.

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>ベアトリクスは、父・アーベルから東ドイツの一般市民を恐怖によって統制する秘密警察、国家保安省に入って権力を握り、暴走を抑える役目を負ってほしいと告げられる。一方、アイリスディーナと3ヵ月振りに再会したユルゲンは、士官学校での訓練の様子について訪ねるのだが……。

So Abel is probably the hugest dick in SM. After years of political maneuvering, he finally takes control of the stasi as their minister and begins using them as a vehicle for personal power. Fear grips the land, and even his own daughter isn't safe when he impresses her into the fold. The very first thing he tries to do is break her of her morals by forcing her to kill runaways (she's only like 16-17 at this point). Some more bad shit happens, and Jurgen and Iris meet up after three months of not talking to one another.

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>>140415727
Agent 47 accidenting him is going to be so satisfying.

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>>140415727
Bea's dad sounds like he's perfect for Iris's mom.

Why can't Iris and Jurgen's dad hook up with Beato's mom? At least they could heal together.

Jesus Christ, there's just no mercy in ML, is there?

>>140415880
>Beato's mom
Because Beatrix's mom was too kind for this world and has passed away. Why do you think Beatrix is so lonely and miserable at the start?

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>>140415648
>Française 83

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>>140415727
It's like every new revalation is just more painful.

And there are still people who viscerally celebrate her death.

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>>140416040
I didn't know people celebrated Irisdina's death.

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>>140412677
>The danger is always that she'll get scared, in which case her eyes glass over and she goes totally unresponsive and limp. The first time that happened, incidentally, the first and last time you tried spanking her, you were pretty sure she was dying.

>>140404848
Dohoho, I just think I thought of something.

We might find out.

>>140416139
Talking about Beato, baka.

>>140415648
>Deutschland 83

Told you, faggots. TOLD YOU!

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Who hurt you

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>>140416427
Both of them.

Gotta put that dog down.

>>140416461
moderate pls

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>>140415498

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>>140416485
There is nothing down with puting down a wild dog.

It is for the best for all of us.

Theo did literally nothing wrong.

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>>140416557
More like lost puppy kidnapped and used for dogfights.

>>140412344
How many fucking artillery's "guided by God" are there?

>>140416681
I`d use Lise for fighting my hotdog, and let her win.
Repeatedly.

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>>140416696
Not enough.

The russians did not get that it was supposed to be a song so they made something different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX5272KDINg

>>140416557
>>140416461
You're not a believer in mercy and rehabilitation, are you anon?

>>140416696
Have you seen the Orthodox? They bless EVERYTHING.
http://imgur.com/gallery/FGbhY

>>140415498
I have no idea what's going on anymore.

>>140416696
All of them.

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>>140416760
>You're not a believer in mercy and rehabilitation, are you anon?
No such thing in Muv-Luv.

>>140416760
A blessed particle accelerator sounds fucking hardcore

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>>140410264
>I want fucking rocket pods and ATGM on the TSF NOW

First of all, they have those, they're called missile containers. They appear to mount on the shoulder blocks and/or Mount Pylons and are used by TSFs at the back of a formation.

The key problem is limited ammo, though. Each box only holds 16 missiles, and there are usually way too many BETA.

>>140416299
>Talking about Beato, baka.

It's not really worth celebrating. A mad dog needs to be put down, but it's not something you get worked up about.

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>>140416831
No fuck you and your dumb 20 million dollar macross missile spam.

Im talking about 50000 dollar solution which can be mounted on all TSF on the shoulders, head, knees, hips, legs and arms and fire cheap as fuck rockets which can be mounted as early as 1973.

Embrace your aerial heritage you fucking mech faggot. God I hate the jap that made the weapons designs on the mechs.

>>140415648
>>140416306
>Deutschland 83: Martin's side story

Able Archer 83 would still be carried on the SM universe

>>140416461
>>140416557
Suzy pls go

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>>140417061
what part of ''limited ammo'' and '' too many BETA'' you did not understand?

Also
>attaching all that shit on a TSF's body
there are reasons why that most of the TSF's focus more on mobility and operation time you know

>>140417061
why small amount of small rockets when large amounts of full auto 36 and 120 in multiple flavours.

plus the missiles are mainly for anti laser cover.

>>140417029
Beatrix probably deserved/needed to die, but it still sucks nonetheless. I don't think it's in her nature to be a bad person.

>>140415727
So we're getting close to the end. I wonder how many more chapters it'll be before we have Jurgen's execution.

>>140417555
Cause rockets carry more explosives.
>being against having MORE dakka
Capitalists I swear

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Good reaction faces.
Good times.

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>>140417370
What part of "maximum firepower" and embracing your aerial heritage do you not understand?

The most heaviest launcher for the S-5 rocket, the UB-32 weight wooping 264 kilo when fully loaded with 32 S-5 rockets and 103 kilo when empty and all the places I just mentioned are potentional areas for a weapons mount.

If a TSF cant handle 4 UB-32 (1056 kilo fully loaded, 413 kilo when fully expanded) then it is by all means a shit TSF. That shit is what fighter bombers/ground attacker can handle.

>>140417555
Target of opportunity and maximum firepower.

36 mm are all shit and none explode and 120mm is limmited in amo size.

Having dumb missiles would greatly benefit the firepower and survivibility for a single TSF. (Instead of having to shoot all the laser class with 1 round each, you can fire a couple of rockets and blast them away, now theo does not have to charge a single laser class like a retard because he wont be blown away like some little guy in a plane) Think about what you can do.

But that is just dumb rockets. If we mount HMG or LMG in the head then congratulations, you got a Remote weapons station. Now you can kill more and survive more.

ATGM? Congratulations, you got stand of capibility and have a 100% hit probability at 5 kilometers and you will kill any BETA you will meet. (instead of pissing their pans when facing heavy laser class, they can now blow it away.)

Shieeeet nigga. You can now employ pop up tactics that helicopter use that you could not do before. (No 36mm HE, have to directly hit the target to do damage meaning any quick pop up fire tactic at long-medium range is potentionaly inefficent. No ATGM meaning unable to engage targets with a 90% hit probability against a tank sized target at 4 kilometers. 120mm hesh cant do this shit)

>>140417926
you say its limited but giant rockets wouldnt be?

not to mention helis are used in muv with all of that shit.

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>>140417926
>tfw no Grach TSF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_zyskazJlg

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>>140417370
>"Whose our love, ladies?"

>"A-10! A-10! A-10!"

>"What do we do on our loves?"

>"Kill! Kill! Kill the BETA!"

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>reading TDA
>one A-6 INTRUDER vs 6 flights of shiranui's
>destroyed 2 flights of TSF'S
>one flight had to go suicidal to fucking melee its thick armor
>didn't back down and did a double take down

holy shit it isn't considered the most used and surviving model for no reason

>>140418772
You know what they say
Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history

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>>140418049
I think you may have responded to the wrong post but im gona assume you did not for this post.

Anon the UB-32 is barely the size of a human being while the the TSF is fucking 18 meters tall. If a TSF gets fucking mobility killed by a couple of mere rocket pods then why are we builiding the TSF?

>not to mention helis are used in muv with all of that shit.
Yet the mech supporters all scream of the TSF being a superior NOE flight vehicle and how it is super important for hive infiltrations and laserjagd. And how the attack helicopters cant do the last two things.

So obviously we have to use the TSF. But the current weapons it use are insufficent in my opinion and im gona explain why.

We be going by the year 1983. Current main weapon for the NVA TSF is the standard 36mm autocanon and 120mm underbarrel tank canon. Up to 4 of these can be mounted on 1 TSF. And that is pretty much it unless you count knifes and swords which frankly is hard to use weapon and demands long term extensive training and experience to use effectively.

Now if we mount a YAKB-12.7mm gatling gun on the head then now we have a new tactical advantage. You got a weapons which is effective against Tank-class and laser-class.

But it is not the main weapon but a
>Emergency weapon
>sidearm (I just lost my main weapon mang)
>useful when a target of opportunity presents itself (laser-class)
>useful when you need that extra firepower when the tank class get too many and too close.
>useful when you want to save a fellow TSF from tank-class
>useful when you have to fight moderate rebels

That is from when we mount a mere 12.7mm gatling gun. Now imagine when we mount Rocket pods, ATGM, Guided missiles, Automatic grenade launchers and etc.

A whole new level of tactical advantages and possibilities is presented when improving a existing platform with different weaponry. And this is on one single TSF. Imagine a squad or battalion.

>>140419122
Integrated weaponry, that isn't meant to cut, is very rare outside of TSAs for some reason. Probably due to bad writing. But considering how the designing of the TSFs seems to be concentrated in a very small group of engineers, we could assume, that its just that Heinemann and his pals don't like putting guns in his their mechs.

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>>140417061
I'd love to see Canada get some more play. Especially with their love of CRV-7's and operating on the cheap they're notorious for outfitting their planes purely with rockets. Rockets on every pylon. because why the fuck not.

>>140420386
Avro Arrow TSF when?

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>>140420386

Apparently, Canada may or may not currently be a nuclear wasteland. Because America nuked Athabasca to stop the BETA landing there.

Yeah. Athabasca. Somehow this effected the parts of Canada where people actually live.

>>140412677
I wonder what Iris does to deal with her sexual urges?

>>140418049
>Giant rocket
Rockets of the type he's talking about would be smaller than a 120mm shell. About half the weight.

>>140420751
As if anyone in canada would be mad that the perpetual conservative ice hick shit hole of saskatchewan was sacrificed in order to eliminate alien fuckers.

>>140420895
>As if anyone in canada would be mad that the perpetual conservative ice hick shit hole of saskatchewan was sacrificed in order to eliminate alien fuckers.

Apparently they are. IIRC, that's part of the reason they've had eight or nine wars with the U.S. in the TDA timeline.

>>140420751
man, when that TSF appeared on TSF i thought it must be the scariest motherfucker to fight

>>140420895
>>140421050
Nuking the bread basket of Canada does have it's consequences

>>140421050
too bad they sided with the french and have to retreat and get defeated

>>140421532
>Getting cucked by the french.
>Essentially letting your mother in law enter your house and start bossing you around to even start shit with your former best bud.

No, I do not like that feeling.

>>140421969
So, Belgium?

>>140420751

This is in the same timeline where there is a city in central Alaska with buildings that aren't trailers.

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Is it a natural deposition that the kouzuki sisters are based as fuck?

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>>140422473
It is!

Someone post the third one please.

>>140422473

So what's her kill count at? Can we at least get an over-under on 10^6?

When will Schwarzesmarken be Schwarzesirrelevant? I didn't really like the backtracking into the 80's and I think the 2000's are better for Muv Luv.

>>140422677
Probably when an Extra version comes out and the various fans are appeased that there is a reality in which their individual favorite girl has found peace and happiness.

>>140422677
>When will Schwarzesmarken be Schwarzesirrelevant?

After Martyrs is released

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it's April 20th and we're still no closer to extra steam release than we were 5 months ago.
How far can IXTL back peddle before they give the buyer a product worth a shit?

>>140422676
Motoko doesn't get to order soldiers around, so she can't rack up those insane killcounts her imouto has. But she did probably make the 00 Units body, so she gets a share of those.

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>>140422550
Yes

>>140422974
I wonder what she does in the BETAverse.

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>Gretel will never confess to you
Suicide status: Contemplated

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>>140422677
>I didn't really like the backtracking into the 80's and I think the 2000's are better for Muv Luv.

I agree. Pretty much everything that happened before 1990 or so was basically a forgone conclusion, irrespective of the narrative necessity for things to go a certain direction.

Basically, once the baters decided to push exclusively west from Kashagar, Europe was pretty much screwed. I'm not exactly sure why it took the BETA more than a decade to advance more than a few hundred miles east.

That said, I'm not sure how effectively you could set a story after Operation Thousand-Folded Falling Cherry Blossom. You'd have to explain in detail the consequences and effects of the events of the original trilogy; they'd have to actually explain how it wasn't just a return to the status quo -2 Hives. I'm not sure how you would do that without it being clear that any victory was attained by Gary Stu Super Technology.

>>140423228
>I'm not exactly sure why it took the BETA more than a decade to advance more than a few hundred miles east.

Because PACT STRONK

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>>140415727
Is that supposed to make us sympathize with Beatrix? She still ends up choosing to be one of the most hateful, evil people possible on her own.

>>140423228
Wasn't 95% of Europe evacuated thanks to Saint Ursula?

>>140423228
The only way I can Muv Luv going post Ouka is up. They could do some Xenoblade/Mass Effect things in space.

>>140423330
>95% of Europe evacuated
>1 billon people are all that is left by 2001

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>>140422677
> I think the 2000's are better for Muv Luv.
This.

After Ouka has pretty great things to told


also would love if Based Silvio appears again

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>>140423293

No, the BETA spent a year removing kebab, and then spent most of the first decade of the invasion making gains exclusively in Warsaw Pact territory.

>>140423343

Probably, but only because of improving human weapons and TSFs. The continued full-scale deployment of the F-22A and systems like the F-15SE providing gen-three capabilities to a much larger number of nations, the EML-99 entering deployment, if it can be mass produced, that sort of thing.

>>140423330
No, she and the rest of the 666th fucked over Europe. The upbeat ending is hilarious considering what will be happening in a couple of months.

>>140423577
th-thanks moderate rebels

>>140423330
>Saint Ursula

She is not even old enough to post on 4chan and she run the DDR?

>>140423577

Europe would've fallen anyways. Really, the blame lies with Beatrix for fomenting the necessary conditions for a coup d'etat while in the middle of a war. All the 666th did was respond to the internal threat of her takeover of the government, not to mention their immediate survival as their necks were definitely next to rest on the chopping block.

As for why they ended the show on a happy note, ask yourself this: did the characters know they were going to die soon? Absolutely not. They did what they thought was the best possible way to survive for the long-term. Whether or not that would be successful is immaterial in the short-term. The characters just achieved a victory against the Stasi, beat back the massive wave of BETA, and actually survived to tell the tale. It's a natural reaction to celebrate a victory, even if it is only temporary, and has a long tradition that goes back to Xerxes after Thermopylae and beyond into antiquity. If the characters were to do otherwise, it would have lost absolutely all credibility.

And as a side note, tell me this... Do you think the Werewolf battalion alone would have stood a chance against the BETA? Hm? Because that's what Beatrix was aiming at with her takeover of the system. The only people she trusted were other Stasi, and even that was only if she had each them disarmed and in plain sight.

>>140423389
>1 billon people are all that is left by 2001

We all know that number is GRIMDERP bullshit.

It would require absolutely no successful evacuation from anywhere in Europe or Asia, PLUS the depopulation of all of Africa and Indonesia.

Also, in 1995, the population figure was given at 50% of the pre-BETA war figure, which would translate to slightly less than 2 billion total. Looking at the population of the areas that were chomp'd this seems like a much more realistic number.

>>140423389

I think was a bit lower than that, somewhere around ~90% overall. Areas west of the Iron Curtain seem unlikely to have suffered demographically significant civilian losses, so it depends on how many people died in the Warsaw Pact countries before '83.

>>140423656
Yes
>>140423663
>the rebels did nuffin wrong
t. Suzy

>Do you think the Werewolf battalion alone would have stood a chance against the BETA?

Maybe if the two best TSF squadrons of the DDR stopped killing eachother they could have achieved something

>>140403470
Sagiri a shit
Walken a best

>>140422872
Are you guys seriously this stupid or are you just flaming for attention. It has been confirmed SEVERAL TIMES by Team Muv Luv that the release date for ML (extra and Unlimited) is postponed to summer, probably June. Oh wait, you probably didn't even back the KS back then and aren't able to get their backer updates ...

>>140423720
>Maybe if the two best TSF squadrons of the DDR stopped killing eachother they could have achieved something
It's no fun in being logical

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>>140423699
>I think was a bit lower than that, somewhere around ~90% overall.

So what we learned is that Katia is humanity's best choice and the hero it needs and her smiles can cure cancer while Beatrix is a fucking cunt and waste of life who should've died in her mother's womb and can't even tie her shoes without killing half of Europe.

>>140423883
The fate of your nation depends on that, besides the BETA don't care for your political afiliation

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>>140423919

>>140423720
The rebels had it right. When you have evil as horrific and entrenched as the stasi, you must uproot it and destroy it completely. The only way for their society to heal is to kill every last fucking stasi they can find.

>>140423953
SLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

>>140423919
>>140423699
Why is Beatrix so shit. She's way worse than Fagiri with his honor bullshit will ever be. We need a better nickname for her, maybe Shitterix, or Beacunt, or something.

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THE EURO FRONT FUCKING WHEN

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>>140423813
>promise by march
>change it to early april
> Mid April and you say you'll have a BETA out SOON™
>this was a week ago

updates mean nothing

>>140423994
>Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters

>>140423577
>>140423663
Barely anyone in Europe actually got chomped though. They all made it out fine in the end. Sure, many of them are refugees, but they're still alive.

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Fun Fact on the evacuation of Europe:

According to Integral Works, Western Europe began making plans for a full-scale withdrawal from the continent in 1981 under the Operation Dunkirk. The idea was not just to get people out, but also to have somewhere to send them other than rapefugee camps. Presumably, this involved calling a takeback on the whole decolonization thing.

The biggest contribution Katia may have made was creating a situation where East Germany the survivors of the Warsaw Pact could get onboard with that.

Also, three years of prep time makes a successful evacuation much more plausible.

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>>140424216

You want to try saying that to my face?

>>140424304
do you even muv-luv?

>>140424308
There is an issue with that. The combat resolve of the troops, soldiers are much more willingly to start a retreat instead of holding the frontline knowing that their families are far away rather than just some hundred kms from the BETA

That's why there was little civilian evacuation of Stalingrad and Berlin during WW2

>>140424350
Your liberty died when the Federal Reserve was created
Andrew Jackson was right

>>140424216
It doesn't get any more clear cut than SM as far as morality. Beatrix, Lise, Axmann, Schmidt and the rest of the stasi are all sadistic sociopaths that wouldn't be out of place in something like A Game of Thrones while the 666th are somewhat grey to white.

Furthermore, it's been pointed out that absolutely everything about Beatrix's plan was wrong in so many ways. She really is like a less competent female Hitler in how completely evil and delusional she is. The rebels aren't perfect, but they had the best intentions/plans possible considering how everything turned out mostly alright.

>>140424304
The BETA landed in Britain in '85. Sure they were repelled, but all those refugees in England got screwed anyway.

>>140424556
Spotted the animeonly

>>140424439

Short-term, yes, maybe. But it's much easier to motivate them to fight for any reasonable span of time if they think they have a chance of winning.

>Fight and die to make sure your waifus don't get eaten until next week!

vs.

>Gentlemen! We may die, but we will die standing! Every minute we hold the line, every ship we allow to sail, is a victory!

>>140424594

They never got further than central London, so you're wrong.

>>140424594
Most of them headed to Africa.

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>>140424556
Bait desu.

>>140424664
Considering that Europe was evacuated and everyone ended off better after she died, no it isn't.

>>140424635

How is she NOT Hitler in his bunker in the last months of the war?

Regardless of how she got there, the situation and proposed courses of action are basically interchangeable.

>>140424723
You must really hate the idea of Bernhard im Schatten.

>>140424643
I thought they got further north, doesn't one of the TSFIA stories take place in a war damaged Liverpool?

>>140424861

Liverpool is still war damaged now from the second world war, that doesn't mean anything.

>>140424556
>>140424723

So we have
Jurgen=Hartman
Axmann=Heydrich

and now
Beatrix=Hitler

Wow, Hitler x Hartmann, that's really something. Of course, we're still not sure how much of Jurgen's and Beatrix's relationship was genuine love

>>140424790

I don't care for Shojo in general.

That said, seeing how someone becomes a villain can be extremely interesting; origin stories in genera are some of the best.

>>140425085
I think the main problem with BiS is how ooc Beatrix is. It's difficult for me to reconcile her with the monster who'd torch the DDR for her own amusement.

>>140424703
The existance of two german governments in exile in 2001 is proof enough that there are people in universe who prefered the status quo, and thus prefered Beatrix and/or the Stasi over the rebels. And if those people exist the rebels must have fucked up big time after seizing power.

>>140424923
War damaged by ML standards. Not by modern european unexploded ordinance and bulletholes standards.

>>140425180
East Germany in 2001 is like 20 holdouts. Almost everyone joined up with the BRD.

>>140403750
Pretty badly the first week. Then the BETA adapt and it becomes a BETA stomp.

>>140425238
And you read that where?

>>140424643
>winning against the BETA
That's a good one

>The French inteligence service has noted "The Germans have yet not loss hope, they don't dare to do it"
>Meanwhile the Soviet officers put it in other words "The morale has plumbered but the discipline remains high"

>>140424723
She went down fighing unlike Adolf who ate a bullet
>>140425180
Gretel is the General Secretary of the SED by 2001 I wish

>>140405628
>no Lisey Lise copypasta
0/10

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>humanity is just fighting the fucking miners

How the fuck do they expect to win if the real war BETAs appear?

>>140425681
It's ogre

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>>140425681
Pretty simple.

We just do something.

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>>140424126
The whole point of updates is to bring news to those who need to be aware of it as soon as possible ...

Also, it's Muv Luv. Did you really not expect them to have even the smallest delays?

>>140425886
A weapon to surpass the BETA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yv8sC4N2gs

>>140425681

None of those look all that much more dangerous than the current models. Unless they can be produced proportionally cheaper than the ones now, it would actually be a set up.

>>140425180
>Thinking anyone would chose to live in East Germany

>>140424556
SM is basically AkG with TSFs.

It even has it's own crappy Esdeath knockoff.

>>140425681
Depends on the timeline.

Humies already prevented any new hive seeds from arriving on earth. In alternative the american prototypes have proven their worth and humie tech (like the TE superweapon) is marching on at a rapid pace, while the central hive has been destroyed.

Considering all the exomats that are up for grabs therenow, it will be decade or two until they are able to drop an assortment of the big guys on the moon and claim it. That is as long as their computational tech advances far enough to control the fields on those things.

>>140426095
>Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. “The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there,” say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of eastern Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home and agree with the statement: “The GDR had, for the most part, good sides. Life there was happier and better than in reunified Germany today.”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

>>140426095
Suck it fag, the fact that germany didn't reunify in ML, despite Katia and the rebels overthrowing the government, means that they fucked up.

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>>140425927
War has changed


>>140426095
Look closer. They got more armor, and one of them is a walking artillery gun.

The top left one is strange.

The super destroyer class should be immune against 36mm now.

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>>140426137
>Esdeath knockoff

Ooh I hope for your sake you don't mean Beato

>>140426197

It's been what, 25 years? Everything was always better 25 years ago, everywhere.

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>>140424926
>>140424723
>>140424556
>>140424703
>>140425085
>>140425166

dirty anime only peasants detected.

go back to redit/mal/as

>>140426508
The SEDs succesor party was pretty strong until quite recently in the former East, there were always lots of Ossis who wanted communism back.

>>140426425
That's who I mean. I have to give them credit though, they play Beatrix straight as the horrifying psycopath she is rather than pussyfooting around like they do with Esdeath.

>>140426225
That shading makes my dick so hard.

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>>140426218
CIA probably assassinated Katia and framed west to stop unification.

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The moral of SM is that Katia is perfect.

>>140427571
moeblob bait perfect? haha nice joke anon you should become a comedian.

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>>140426218
>people acctually putting back the DDR coat of arms over the German flag
Gretel had a field day with that
>>140426617
Even Berlin is still divided

>story about aliens invading and humanity pushed to the brink
>opportunity for nuanced stories involving the way people deal with the above
>chance to have people come into conflict over legitimate reasons or explore complex issues
>nah, let's just make it a story about good vs evil with all the moral depth of Lord of the Rings

Why is SM so terrible?

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>>140427696
And to the re-education camp you go

>>140427571
The moral is the consequence of childlike naivety vs reality. Making the anime more black and white was a disservice to the source material and misses the point entirely.

>>140427788
>>Go back lick Russian's boots then but we all know that america's better.

>>140427852
Because Watanabe
>>140427903
Go suck turk dick Merkel

>>140427871
It's been brought up over and over again that Katia was almost totally right while the stasi were completely wrong in ever category possible.

Europe evacuated successfully, and the majority of East Germans survived under Katia's plans.

>>140427967
>Because Watanabe
Source material is the same. Beatrix dying and the rebels winning was the best possible outcome for Europe, the DDR, and humanity as it allowed the most people to survive.

>>140427696
Katia is the character who developed the most over the course of SM, and was the most pivotal person in the whole plot. Without her, the DDR would've been doomed and humanity given another blow in it's efforts.

>>140427967
>The DDR dindun nuffing wron'.

Shoot people trying to pass the border.
Stasi.
USSR satellite state.
Lesser standard of living than best germany.
Best germany using german top tier stuff
Least germany using hand down USSR weapons.
Need to build a wall because can't accept that it is least.
Dictatorship vs Freedom.

Better DEAD than RED.

>>140420789

Intruding into the sex lives of others, like every other sexually frustrated christian spinster.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDmdfOrG3D8

Commie bashing time?

>>140428142
No you fucktard the point was that everybody was right in some aspects and wrong in others. Iris and Beato could have saved the DDR working together but they prefered to see the other fail rather than cooperate
And if the reunifiaction was so good why there is a DDR and BRD goverment's in exile in 2001?

>>140428209
>Katia is the character who developed the most over the course of SM

No, that would be Gretel

>>140428237
>17 millons of East Germans where literally Honecker and Mielke and we should treat them like second class citizens
>also, fuck the Palast der Republik lets demolish it because that shows how much do see eachother as equals and that's totally not revanchism

>>140428046
>>140428142
>>140428209
Damn dude. What does Katia's clit taste like?

>>140428336

>No you fucktard the point was that everybody was right in some aspects and wrong in others

Not really. There isn't a lot of moral ambiguity at all considering that 90% of Europe's population survived in the end. Under Beatrix's plans, that number would likely be far lower, as the NVA and civilian population would not have gone along with it. There's literally no tradeoffs. You have everything to gain with Katia while Beatrix's death literally saved millions.

> Iris and Beato could have saved the DDR working together but they prefered to see the other fail rather than cooperate

I don't think Beatrix's plan had any positives at all. Their was no way anyone with half a brain would compromise with her suicide. They could've used her talents of course, but her mental issues and sociopathy might outweigh the pros. The best course of action would've been if she hadn't created the powder keg that led to the revolt and then had Axmann to set it off. If she'd just stepped aside, then things would've been alright. Still, Europe had close to the best ending possible.

>>140409301
Why didn't they just strap a bater onto a nuke and launch it at Kashgar?

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>>140412677

Lise is sitting on the couch in the duplex, between yourself and Beatrix. The baby is lying on her lap, staring up at her with its big red eyes. She's been in the same room as it several times now, and she seems to have gotten used to it, now, she's going to take things a step further, and touch it. Technically, of course, she's already touching it, because it's lying on her lap, admittedly on a fleece blanket. But for Lise, the important part is being able to touch it with her own, blood stained hands. Lise smiles, nervously, as the baby grabs her little finger and holds onto it, with a surprisingly strong grip.

It is a sign of the depths of Beatrix's devotion to Lise that She would allow her own firstborn child to be used in such a manner. Enjoying Lise's company, and appreciating her plight stop far short of actually trusting the girl around such a precious person. However, Beatrix trusts Lise. She knows, deep down, just how badly Lise wants to have a role in the tiny life lying in her lap. A life that Beatrix had named after her, in may ways the ultimate honor. The baby tugs on Lise's finger, smiles up at her and laughs happily. Lise just stares down at the child, smiling. Eventually, a sour smell begins to waft up from the little bundle of joy in Lise's lap, and Beatrix takes her child back and heads off to change its diaper. Lise looks at you, with one of those rare, but increasingly frequent, genuine smiles of hers that could turn the night sky blue. The sun catches her cheek on a line originating at the corner of her eye, confessing to you that she did in fact shed a single tear.

"I think I'm going to be OK."

>>140428602
Is it alright if I like Katia but really hate her fans?

>>140429135
Carry on

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>>140429052

>>140414049
>that moment when Takeru was about to save the world
>Meiya decides to go full YAMATO DAMASHI!

>>140429052
Shes almost ready anon. Buy her a puppy, having something to take care of can do wonders for one's sense of self-worth.

>>140429593

Maybe. She and Inghild did start volunteering at an animal shelter.

Also it's getting to the point where I'm having trouble editing this on my phone. I might have to spin this story into its own file and format the others and. Divide them by narrative continuity (beato rape and Gretel unions, Lise mental hospital, tsf academy, yuimouto, misc.)

>>140429246
takeru was starting to lose it after seeing tama and the superior couln't be convinced the only one who could do it is probably yuuko.

Since there seems to be a lot of arguing on this, who was most right?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10003456