Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1513

>>140363251
>make your mother proud guy is Sakura autist
Why am I not surprised

嬉しかったので私は自分のギターをもらいました。
Is this the right way to say, I was happy because I had my own guitar？Or is there another way I should say "my own？

>>140363339
Yeah it is actually, but only if it's in manga. The normal way would involve more complex 文法.

Ignore and report the other thread.

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>>140363251
Are we posting cute anime girls at the beginning of every thread now?

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おにいちゃん

たけのこほってきたよ

たけのこごはんたべよ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLWHBbpsmQ

>>140363339
I think you need to reread about how ので works

>>140363409
竹はあんまり好きじゃないけど。
美味しいか？

>>140363339
レイプされたので、本当の幸せがやっとわかった。

>>140363409
ぼくのちんこみたいに

>>140363409
オレのきのこなめて

Has anyone tried getting earlier versions of Pokemon (or some other japanese game) and emulating them? Has that helped you?

>>140363437
Yeah, I had it backwards.

>>140363518
Is there any real reason to play older games over newer ones? I guess for the nostalgia factor, but as a general rule newer ones will be easier to find, install, play, and if necessary texthook, so you're really better off playing newer games.

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>>140363518
I don't think games are the best for learning desu. The gameplay motivates you to not read as many things or to skim over stuff.

>>140363518
The earlier versions are all kana, so unless you have a decent amount of vocab and pretty good listening comprehension, they won't help too much (though one could argue that they're helpful in a way to listening comprehension / being able to guess which word something is without the kanji being there to help you). The newer ones have kanji but no furigana, so looking up words is a bit annoying if you don't have a firm grasp on kanji yet since you'll need to manually look it all up via radicals/handwriting tool. Overall I'd say reading something with a text format like VNs or LNs or the news would be more beneficial, but you could probably play it on the side as a reward.

>>140363388
>>140363575
are the shitty artifacts and grey splotch edits a reference to the really badly made sakura image

>>140363518
Unless you /really/ love Pokemon to death I would say no. It's written entirely in kana but its main problem is that there's a ton of made-up attack names and Pokemon names you have to remember which is kind of obnoxious when you don't really have a grasp on the language yet.

>>140363610
Of course, since Pokemon is such a cultural touchstone (especially in Japan) you're gonna have to learn those names at some point if you want to hang out anywhere video games are discussed, so it might give you a head start.

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Help how do I fix my RIkai

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>>140363446
あたしはだいすきだよ

あたしのとこは
掘ったそばから茹でたものだからおいしいよ

>>140363862
Look up what keys do or just press random letters

>>140363862
press o

>>140363862
Learn to do J-J you absolute fucking pussy. Download the EPUBs in the cornucopia and get good.

>>140363612
are u masaaki yuasa

Is it possible to add both the J-E and J-J definitions at the same time with Realtime import? I know it's possible with using Save and then feeding that file to Epwing2Anki, but I'd much much rather being able to do it directly from Rikai.

>>140363943
Yes but you have to say the same lines the characters do to 発動 their power
I recommend reciting Cain's 創造 at your local Japanese conversation lunch.

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I finally found VN for little girls and it's a pretty fun read to boot.

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I wonder what would happen if we just started responding to anime autist with tricky sentences from VNs and LNs and stuff and asked him to explain bits of grammar from it, because surely someone who has such a fine grasp on "anime" grammar is capable of answering such simple questions. If he answers correctly, it contributes to the threads, and he if doesn't or can't then he's just outing himself as someone who knows nothing about Japanese and is just here to shitpost using set phrases/words that beginners in their first week would be capable of.

我ガチンチンハ大キナリ

sakura autist btfo

You guys got any tips on getting used to tenten and circle kana? I'm still reading them as the base form and flashcards and pneumonics aren't helping.

>>140364148
So anime grammar is even harder than regular grammar? I guess that makes all of us much more advanced level than you.

>>140364158
realkana.com

>>140364172
>>140364046
I have an even better idea. How bout we don't reply to him.

>>140364158
Just continue what you're doing. There's no real trick.

>>140364192
>djt
>not replying to bait
good one

>>140364221
>the complete absence of particles/complexity
I mean I know it's bait but come on dude you can do better than that if you want to try to come up with an argument someone might actually believe. Even hanahira has pretty much everything in Tae Kim, and you'll find basically everything in all 3 volumes of DoJG / basically any grammar resource at some point when reading "anime" shit.

>>140363880
あなたは自分で掘った竹を食べる？
すごい。
俺の竹はいつも中国から輸入したから、あんまり良くないよ。
羨ましいわ。

>>140364294
see >>140364192

>>140364402
see >>140364224

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>>140364344
おいしいのは

掘って２時間以内に茹でて
茹でてから２日以内にたべるものだけだよ

掘って２時間以上放置しちゃったものとか
茹でてから３日目経っちゃったものはまずくなるよ

>>140364506
なるほどね。
いつか日本の竹を食べたいなー。
すごく美味しそうもん。

Thanks immensely, mods. I love you.
ありがとうございました、愛してるよ～

By the way, he's likely to come back after a while under a new ip, so if you could check back every now and again that would be fantastic.

>>140363409
はい　はい　はい　えええ　はい　はい　ええ!

I can't finish watching this because of the guy hovering over the poor lady and making these stupid incessant 相槌. What a horrible distraction.

It's a shame, because I was actually enjoying it.

What is the best personal pronoun to use if I am a male (sex and gender)?

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>>140365000
「ミー」ざんす

>>140365000
>>140365000
拙者

>>140365034
That's too girly isn't it? Sorry if I offend anyone, just saying that I don't like that pronoun, anyone can use it if they like.
>>140365040
That's the samurai pronoun, I think it can't be used in modern Japan?

>>140364017
Whats it called anon-kun?

>>140364017
>ヰエン
>読む
トップケックだぜ。

>>140365000
what is wrong with 私?

>>140365000
ぼく　Should be fine.

>>140365264
It's too gaijin-learner sounding. But there nothing wrong with that if you like to use it, just saying it's not my cup of tea.

>>140365305
I though about that, how young do you need to be to use ぼく?

>>140365000

俺様.

>>140365089
おいら should be right up your lane

>>140365521
I'm sure I read somewhere that using さん or 様 for your name is very arrogant, I presume you are just joking.
>>140365577
Can you explain the nuance please? I vaguely get what 俺 is, but isn't おいら just おれ+ら(the plural suffix)? So it's not a personal pronoun?

>>140365496
It's not about age. Boku is a pronoun that shows humility. Many male writers and educated Japanese in general use it especially in editorials and such where ore is just too crass and in-your-face to be used seriously. There should be no problem with using that in a casual setting if you like it though, but for the love of god don't use ore if you're a stammering idiot who talks softly. It'll make everyone in a half mile radius cringe.

>>140365636
Oh, that seems pretty nice. I don't want to be aggressive or offend anyone unintentionally, so as I understand 俺 is made just for that? And ぼく is for more intellectual and sophisticated people?
Or you are talking just about the voice, I have a pretty deep voice.

>>140365690
Something like that

I also heard that boku is used in work situations. Not first hand of course since I swore never to exit my mother's basement (笑)

>>140365766
ありがとうございました。
I guess I'll go with ぼく then as I'm a kind of more sophisticated gentleman-type. Thanks again.

And does anybody know if there is an even more polite version of ぼく? That would be good to know for very polite situations.

>>140365803
Just use 私, you can't go wrong with detached politeness of the default.

>>140365840
detachment is love of life

>>140365690
this is some pretty fucking elaborate bait, i bet you're just waiting for someone to call you a ｃｕｃｋ aren't you

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Not necessarily a language question but, how likely am I to be mixed in with unsavory characters if I'm missing part of my pinky?

>>140365803
自分 probably

>>140365879
100%

>>140365906
Relax, you're already ahead of 99% of japanese learning shitters by using anything other than watashi

>>140365906
what are your thoughts on using anime to learn japanese?

>>140365803
わたくし is about as polite as one can get
Usually said by people like hostesses

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>>140365907
Guess if I ever go, I'll have to be a weirdo with gloves, or invest in a prosthetic.

>>140365987
It can be used both formally but also respectively polite in a way that you feel someone is higher than you on the social ladder or they're your guest, stuff like that.

>>140365879
If you behave as an unsavory character or hang out around them - yes. If you're just a normal dude - no. You're not going to be taken for a blood if you wear a red bandana, unless you do so in the hood or wear all red and behave agressively.

>留学生さえになる可能性がある
>留学生にさえなる可能性がある
>留学生になりさえする可能性がある
？？？？
How to use さえ with になる

>>140365987
you're the anime shitposter why are you even trying to hide it, every non-shitpost you make is just wasted time.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6omsDyFNlk

Might just learn french desu, surely easier

>>140366095
ｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋｃｕｃｋ

happy now? please just go back to shitposting about less boring things like anime

>>140366018
例文

この時期の怠け癖は日本人の学生だけでなく留学生(で)さえなる可能性がある。

"で"は省略可能

>>140366172
たすかった(*´▽｀*)

>>140366205
On the offchance that you're being serious, we've had a shitposter for the past few threads who fills up literally more than a quarter of the threads with shitposts about anime and ぼく and stuff like that, and a couple people are forcing a ぼく = cuck meme. He got banned earlier in the thread and hasn't come back yet, but people are pretty on edge about it right now and are pretty suspicous of trolling, and some of the wording your posts came off as a possible troll, like
>I'm a kind of more sophisticated gentleman-type

If you ARE just shitposting/baiting, then fuck off, but if you're being serious then I wouldn't pay much mind to it, people are just on edge right now.

>>140366359
See:
>>140363251
>>140363425
>>140363453
>>140363478
>>140363529
>>140363612
>>140363652
>>140363877
>>140363916
>>140363943
>>140363965
>>140364076
>>140364148
>>140364221
>>140364378
>>140364589

>>140366359
Alright, I guess you WERE the shitposter (unless you've misunderstood my post or something). I'm a bit disappointed, but at least there was some productive discussion that came out of it.

>>140366449
>I see a lot of deleted messages I just opened this thread
Yeah, that's the shitposter he was referring to having all his posts deleted. We have a serious problem, don't be offended if people are suspicious or rude to you.
>I saw it talked about on another site.
That reddit post was posted on reddit by our shitposter. He intentionally spammed this thread with "learning from anime" posts for several weeks. Then he posted about how we "learn from anime" on reddit. Then he posted that reddit post here. It's not hard to understand.

>>140366359
That one guy was just meming you. Anime is just for some listening practice. We use textbooks (or Tae Kim) just like anyone else to get to the point where we can start reading with a dictionary and then the bulk of our study time is reading/watching/listening a lot of content with Anki as a supplement to help with vocab and such. Heavy input method like Steven Krashen or Kaufmann use.

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>>140363287
That's incorrect, I just got up a second ago.

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>>140364815
ちなみに

あのんくんのところの中国産輸入水煮たけのこ缶

何グラムでおいくらくらいするの？

>>140366555
>But isn't anime discouraged because of it's lack of complexity bot in story and linguistics? That hurts listening practice too I would think?
Not at all. At the end of the day it's all Japanese. If you're watching a braindead simple slice of life anime it's possible some of the children characters will use simple language or if you're watching something like Utawarerumono where most of the characters have weird speech quirks or dialects it can be a bit troublesome if you're too much of a beginner to distinguish it and try to imitate it, making a fool of yourself in the process (which is mostly an issue of speaking too early), but for the majority of anime it's not a problem at all, and there are plenty that have "mature" settings that don't have quirky language/words in it etc. If you can follow most anime then you can follow most drama or reality TV shows and likely most news (though news is mostly difficult because of names and stuff). If you plan on speaking early on then balance it out with some non-anime content and you'll be fine.


>It looks like you are defending your inferior methods and I have heard you despise RTK here,
We don't. It's used and encouraged quite often here among other methods. If anything a lot of us despite WK, but that has less to do with the content itself and more to do with the fast pace most of us go at that isn't possible with WK, our preference for customization, and the fact that we create our own vocab decks using words from things we're reading. You shouldn't believe everything you hear about 4chan / DJT on reddit.

>>140366487
このぶきあらしきでござる
けふあのさくらめゐどすき

ゐ:旧字

自信が無いけどこう読む事が出来た。
左上は「にっぽんのさくら」

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>>140366823
>Wow so you even shit on WK? No wonder you are so stupid here

>>140366763
>arguing with a troll

>>140366850
Yeah, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt one last time, but after >>140366823 I'm fairly positive it's just the shitposter with a new IP. That or he hasn't actually watched much anime. Plus he ignored like half of my post and assumes stuff people have explicitly said is not the case multiple times. Even if he's not just shitposting he's not really worth responding to anymore anyways.

Is there a way in Anki to have a line break but only if a field actually has info in it? I want a hint field for some of my cards but I don't want to have a blank space there for the other several thousand cards.

>>140366359
i called it

>>140367075
Check the anki manual for selective substitution.

>>140367120
Thanks, I didn't think to look there, I guess it was a dumb question.

http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#conditional-replacement

For anyone else wondering.

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あは 今一気にシ__が広がりましたよ

What's the missing part?

>>140367262
シ
ミ

英語教師以外、日本にはどんな仕事できるんだろう？今俺は大学生だけどいつか住んで働いてみたいと思ってる。でも絶対に英語教師になりたくないんだ。卒業したら日本に行くかどうかまだわからんけど、いつか住んでみたい。大学が終わったら俺はCSの学位と数学の学位を獲得する。それでプログラミングとかしたい。そんな仕事日本にはできるかな？まだ大学で３年間残ってるからその時まで日本語に上手になるはず。何だと思うの？

http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/yomi/yomi.html
This game is destroying my confidence in kanji knowledge.

>>140366359
Fucking neck yourself

>>140367355
とりあえず。。。日本語上手いね。

酷なことを言うようだけど日本の労働環境は厳しいらしいですよ。
まずは観光をしてみてはどうでしょう？

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>>140367469
レベル５からげきむず

>>140367355
ニートだろう

>>140367550
とりあえず。。。ちんこしゃぶるうまいね。

>>140366639
えっと…
缶じゃない、瓶詰めだと思う。
けど何グラムとかはよく分からない。
あんまり食べないから。

>>140367599
誰をクォウトーしてるんだ君

>>140366891
You really suck at detecting bait. It was obvious from the very first post, you don't really think someone would come to 4chan and sincerely write "I am a male (sex and gender)"?

>>140367671
I mean, up until then I think people suspected it but played along since it was at least producing a pretty decent on-topic discussion.

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>ぞい

>>140367550
住んで働くかどうか決める前に、観光とかしたいんだけど、大学でまだ３年間残ってるから今の考えはただ仮定してる。将来の場合を考えたくて、、住むのは本当にいいアイデアとか
行ったり住んだりする理由が多いけど結局住まないほうがいいことになるかも
とりあえず大学で捗っていつかまた考えるかなー

Thanks meido-san

さようなら、アニメシットポストさん。

What's best to learn first: romanji, hirgana, katana, kanji?

>>140367945
Just read Tyler Kim

That was fast.

>>140367965
Who is he? Can you give a link please?

>>140367945
are you really that bored m8

>>140368020
You could say that, just want to learn Japanese to appreciate my favorite medium even more.

>>140367965
>>140368020
see >>140364192

>mfw burnt out on playing VNs to mine words
What is the best 2ch board?

>>140368137
Probably /a/ there's a lot of good vocab to mine there I think. Personally I'm not at that level yet since I've been reading manga only.

>>140367758
仕事内容や日本語より習慣で躓くと思う

・欠勤は駄目
・遅刻は駄目
・納期は命より重い
・挨拶は厳守する
・掃除は率先してする

>>140363409
>はい
>ねぇ
>はい　はい　はい　はい　っはい　はい　ね　はい

煩い

>>140368368
>煩い
えっと、アノンくん天才ですか？
カッコ以以兄め言葉ですいますね。

>>140368368

相槌

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aizuchi

Why is 2ch so ugly? It's so hard to read

>美しい詩を詠まれている
Is 詩 here read as し or うた? Tried looking around on google but couldn't find an answer.

>>140363409
Listen to that fake アニメ日本語, ugh I can't stand it

>>140368661
I'm pretty sure it's uta.

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Guys what's that K inside a circle supposed to be?

>>140368753
It's a Japanese piece sign like the V.

>>140368638
Japanese people don't know how to innovate when it comes to these things, so they're still stuck in the 90s.

例文：
僕が恋するたびに、相手の女の子は僕の異母妹だっておとうさんは言うんだ。

>>140368929
>僕
Didn't read further.

After I finish 平仮名 should I
>focus only on katakana
>start kanji while learning katakana
>read tae kim and learn katakana
>start anki
Or some other combination of these

>>140369065
Do half of katakana at half effort, drop kanji and do a little bit of Ty Kim then start reading a lot of VN and Manga.

>>140368638
You don't change something that isn't broken.

I decided to do kanji before katakana is this right?

>>140368779
Is it? Do you have a link or something?

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I assume this says "カクレカメラ" based on the context it's used in, but I don't really see how that second kana is a ク, am I missing something?

Lang8で何書けばいいかな
おすすめは？

>>140369605
Use hellotalk it's less bloggy so it's easier to think of casual shit to talk about, and you get to flirt with Jap schoolgirls

>>140369588
It's slang for okinawan "かもしれない"

>>140369447
see >>140369143

>>140369708
see俺のちんこ

>>140369693
What
What the fuck happened to this thread

>>140369746
I studied 沖縄語です

我が家の妹よ!

「走れメロス」と「人間失格」、どっちがいいんだと思う?

>>140369588
かくし[隠し]
カメラ

じゃない？見えないようにしたカメラの事だと思う。
盗撮する為のカメラ。

>>140370009
Ah shit of course, that line's just from the か

I don't know how I'm so retarded sometimes

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>>140369828
どっちも読んだことあるけど

どっちもあたしにはつまらなかったよ

大きなくうそを食べた
まんーがはとても日本語ですうう

>>140369692
Hellotalkの人はみんな初心者。初心者なのに英語だけのメッセージ送る。それはいやだ。話そうとするまえに少しだけでもうまくなるほうがいいと思う。人と話しかける時には、ぜんぜんうまくない英語のメッセージ送られる瞬間にギブアップしちゃうね

>>140370324
日本の犬（お前）可愛いです！

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こんにちは
みんなと一緒に遊びたいけど
ボクは忙しいんだがね

また今度な

>>140370324
あっそ

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>>140371200
>>140370745
>>140370590
>>140370478
>>140370419
>>140370324
>>140370049
>>140370009

Hey, Japanese writting anons.

I need this in romaji, that shouldn't be that hard for you, right?

ああ君を呼ぶ旋律はこの空の果てへ
永遠を誓い祝福を授けよう
廻り続ける宿命としても
今を生きてほしい
さあ目覚めよ
光を受けて
ファイアーエムブレム守りたいものがある
時を超えても変わらずに
ファイアーエムブレム守りたい人がいる
生きる理由がそこにある
さあ目覚めよ

>>140371273
Nobody needs romaji. But incase you need it my google powers found this
http://nihongo.j-talk.com/

>everything good gets translated
>the country is dying and the language is going down with it
What the FUCK were you thinking

>>140371360
>everything good gets translated
Who's gonna translate the good shit if no one's gonna learn the language, duh

>>140371486
robits very soon

I learned kana, hirgana and katakana, romaji (it's shit though) now I learn 100-200 kanji for beginner manga and then the rest kanji?

Based filter.

>>140371514
More like never.

Natural language processing is a literally impossible computing problem.

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Hey anons, specifically the one who downloaded Axanael the other day. I'm having some trouble installing it, does anyone know how to get it up and running? Thank you.

>>140371615
bahahhaha are you a C nerd with no social network? Have you not heard of RCCs?
We will have QA algos for training comptroller neural nets to train the lango-servers on RCCs. I don't care how difficult the problem is if you throw a big enough library at it it will work.

>>140371671
It says you need to pay for the software I am afraid.

>>140371671
Run setup directly instead of using autoexec.

How do I determine when to use Hanzi, Hanji or Kanji?

>>140371360
>there are EOPs who actually believe this
>they don't realize that even if the translation is literally perfect in every single way there's still a ton that gets lost in translation and is impossible to convey without translation notes, and even then there would be times where using a translation note would be spoiling stuff
I mean, anime gets translated pretty consistently, sure, but the majority of manga, LNs, and VNs don't get translated and never will (at least excluding shitty machine translations), including the good ones. Hell, I'm sure there are some pretty good untranslated games too, but I'm not /v/ so I wouldn't know about that.

Hey /a/, how do you make your own deck without spending too much time on it? Whenever I add a new word, I will also read the J-J definition and include several examples from weblio to make sure I fully understand the word (except it's too straightforward), but it seems to be quite time-consuming. Do you guys have any tips? Spending 1 hour a day to add about 8 words doesnt seem very appealing.

So how do you guys get to the point of reading text with the help of dictionaries and other stuff from the point of not knowing grammar and barely any words/kanji?

>>140371914
Anki Realtime Import takes a single button press to make new cards (most of the time; sometimes there's a little bit of manual work to do for audio or when the entry you want isn't the first one), but as far as I'm aware you can only choose one dictionary at a time when importing, so you can't import a J-E definition and J-J definition at the same time on the same card (you'd have to save it and then process it with Epwing2Anki, but that's still fairly tedious and not always reliable).

>>140371919
>current state: don't know grammar & words
>to do: ???
>goal: know grammar & words
Yeah though question anon

>>140372007
I guess that's better than nothing, thank you anon.

>>140372040
So just sit down and look at sheets of words and read language books?

>>140371919
You have to get intitiated into the mysteries of the Rising Sun cult and undergo a ritual that opens your mind to your latent, hitertho sealed, knowledge of the Japanese language. Many people fail this process and are forced to dedicate their life to a quiet study of texts instead, hoping that hard work will eventually get them to the same stage. It's doubtful whether this method really works, though, as many posts in this thread will point out.

>>140372161
Look up vocabulary memorization techniques. Discover anki. Come back here and see the OP. Notice we have a bunch of anki decks.

>>140372161
Read the fucking guide newfag
Why am I even replying

>>140371797,>>140371883
>believing most translations provide anything approaching what you are describing
you realise the most you get out of even serious academic works is a proviso or introduction and that further meaning is entirely inferred, or gleaned by cross reference?

i don't play VNs i read shitty childrens wap books

>believing neural networks are the basis of our intelligence
Yes i do believe this; if it requires that we faithfully reproduce enough cortical layers with machinal aspects approaching cell contraints (microtubule regulation in LTP + shape a mitigator of force, etc ) Google will get it. And within the next 2 decades.

>>140372441
>

>>140372230
>>140372258
I used anki for months. I know 3-400 kanji, present and past tense but no more. That's what I mean by barely anything. I can't seem to go forward with just fiddling with anki and Tae Kim. But thanks, adhd-kuns.

>>140372512
Read and do flashcards. If you can't do that, you certainly can't learn japanese.

>>140372512
Read the guide again and do as the guide says. You appearently do many things wrong. Read the guide.

>>140372564
>>/buyffag/

>>140372502
re

>>140367758
まず観光したら良いよ。
アドバイスをしてくれる人達を見つける事もイイネ。
大学生活エンジョイしてね！

from now on just assume any and all posts that have even the slightest chance of being a shitpost are the work of the anime shitposter

>>140371758

Thanks. Took a bit of fiddling with DirectX and stuff but I got it up and running.

>>140372860
You're welcome. I couldn't get the game itself to run properly without glitches so please post what it's like to try playing it.

>>140372846
>anime poster
>on the anime board
Wew.

I did Remember the Kanji for 6 months and now I've started core and Tae Kim, and I understand that I lost interest for the language. I am now contemplating suicide.

>>140372998
Just look up more doujins/porn that is not translated.

>>140372998
>lost interest for the language
Do you mean lost interest for any Japanese-related content? Or are you just someone who was learning Japanese because "you thought it might be cool"?

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What is this kanji? It looks like 快 without the little side dots on the heart radical.

>>140373191
決める

Are you trolling me Anon?

>>140373307

No, I have never seen the three dots of the left water radical all combined into one line. Thanks.

>>140373105
I don't read that stuff I'm not a retard after all.
>>140373146
What do you mean by Japanese content? I was learning mostly for the culture.

>>140372908
>poster

epic reading skills anon, just look at what all that anime has done to your brain.

>>140373629
7/10 just drop "anon" and you'll be fine ( you will learn nihongo)

>>140372998
its too late to stop now anon, dont put those 6 months to waste.

>>140373534
>I was learning mostly for the culture.
Alright, so "you thought it might be cool", you weren't learning it because you liked reading/watching/playing Japanese stuff.

>I don't read that stuff I'm not a retard after all.
Oh. You're the epic anime shitposter aren't you.

>>140373726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>140373714
I'm too depressed by this shit.
>>140373726
I enjoy Japanese Medieval culture and that kind of stuff, modern culture too. Or I'm allowed only to learn only for anime/games that are not true culture?

>十八番
Alright I think that's おやこ
>おはこ
FFFF okay は like in はち I got this easy

>八百長
I got you now you bitch, はおちょう
>やおちょう
FUCK

>>140373769
>cool video
Where did you 買う this ビデオ? Can I have it for 無料?
PS I'm from reddit too :D

>>140373769
Yeah I'm done now, just wanted to make sure it was him first. Apparently learning the language for the purposes of using the language means you have to be an anime fan or whatever.

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Bestiality is my fave, thanks for recommending this sick VN guise.

>>140372886

It seems to be running okay except for the fact that text appearing is really stuttery and bad. I'm not sure if that's a glitch or just my computer being slow.

>>140373841
Kanji only have one reading remember that, you'll pick it up through vocab trust me it works I've done it and read NihonShikiMonogatari 2 times already.

>>140373876
Hot

>>140373876
I'm an edjy teen to that likes taboo stuff. Any good VNs about bestiality and being a mass murderer at the same time?

>>140373876
is this hatsu hatsu or hahha hahha ? i'm guessing the latter but why add the little guy, is there a difference between haha and hahha

>>140373951
It's ha.ha.ha.ha like sexual thrusting I assume. Where . is a stop

>>140373769
i regret posting this

>>140373951

>>140373991 is right. っ indicates a pause. Sexual pants from the dog.

Guys I arrived at the land of Nihon three days ago. I was in Akihabara just now and there isn't a lot of romanji anywhere just saying to all people who don't want to learn kana. It's so cool here I'm glad I started learning this great language ٩(ε )۶

>>140368753
Can anyone answer this for me? I can't tell what answers are legit or not because of that mentally retarded guy that seems to have made this thread his home

>>140374693
It's a peace sign.

>>140374693
Maybe, it simply means "K", doesn't it?
The circle K mark was added to clarify which person is speaker, maybe?

>>140374973
Hmm I did think that, the characters name does begin with a K, but it's pretty obvious that it was him talking so I figured it might have been something else, but I guess that makes more sense than anything else

>>140375098
>>140374693
How retarded do you have to be not to get the deep symbolism of OK? I guess that's what reading fake grammar does to you, huh?

>>140373841
You're supposed to already know 八百屋

>>140373885
This post is ironic considering 十八番 is ateji

>>140373841
I can't learn Japanese.

How many kanji is needed to read Japanese?

>>140376409
all of them

>>140376409
2000 for most things
3000 for literature

>>140376409
1000 for daily usage

>>140376409
500 for manga

>>140376486
That's like 500000.
>>140376504
I mean real language of course not otaku stuff, thanks.
>>140376530
Thanks.
>>140376561
Thank you.

>>140376561
>kanji for manga
loving these memes
just read the furigana kouhai

>>140376652
Wait, you mean his answer was wrong? I don't even need kanji for that stuff? I'm tempted to try it now even though I kind of despise it.

>>140376409
all the 2000 Joyo Kanji

>>140376652
B-but Seinen manga doesn't always have furigana, senpai.

>>140376748
>B-but Seinen manga
wow what an adult

>>140376771
I meant it as 青年漫画 (not ero manga), but you read it as 成年漫画 (ero manga). The both are read as Seinen manga. A bit interesting.

>>140376731
A lot of manga will have furigana for every single kanji. Relying on this too heavily will cripple your progress though as you might end up ignoring the kanji for the furigana and thus not learn to truly recognize the kanji themselves.
>>140376872
I read it as the former, actually. I was just jesting.

>>140377037
I guess I'll just stay away from manga then, I'm not an otaku nor do I plan to abandon sanity in the near future.

>>140377113
>I guess I'll just stay away from manga then
That would be the other extreme

I guess he has switched his approach to just pretending to be a dumbass and then saying his usual shit when people actually respond to him seriously, that way he's walking right on the line of technically not easily bannable just by seeing the post itself with no context.

>>140377164
But I'm not interested in mass media garbage with stupid grammar. Sorry if that offended you, but that's just what I believe in.

>>140377337
Fair enough

>>140377407
>responding to trolls

>>140376409
My kanji deck has 6355 kanji, because why the fuck not.

>>140377407
Thanks for the info, really, didn't mean any disrespect.
>>140377506
Do you learn that many too learn about the true culture? I'm considering doing many kanji too.

>>140377317
I don't mind that. Maybe people will learn not to respond to dumb questions then.

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I want to visit Japan soon, will I be able to operate autonomously in アキハバラ with this knowledge of core? It'll be more when I go to Japan obviously. And of course I know a lot more words that are used in anime often, I think that might help since I'm going mainly for the アキハバラ culture and whatnot.

>>140377540
I'm working through the deck and it will probably be another year or maybe even two years before I review them all initially. It is basically a huge kanken deck. Doubt I will see many of them in native texts.

>>140377606
Don't give him ideas. He might move on to asking good questions instead. What are we to do then.

>>140377743
It's not like I have a 脳 and a テクストファイル with all kinds of stuff in it.

>>140376623
>>140376504
He's right though. The Kanji tests at the end of high school test you on all of the 2136 Joyo Kanji. Don't you want to be able to read at a high school level? I sure do.

>>140377645
If you can express your thought in Japanese, you are totally okay. Enjoy your visit. people will make fun of you because your Japanese sounds like anime

>>140377852
I don't mind sounding like an anime because I'm only interested in anime culture and how anime talk usually. I'll try to emulate them, why do you think people in アキハバラ would look weird at me? I'm going to the anime region of Japan.

>>140378115
You have deep meaning and sophistication, sir.
Anime are truly an art form.
日本の文化はすばらしい・・・
本当に・・・

>>140377951
日本語読めるなら、ここ見てから行ったほうがいいよ。
http://www.akiba.town/

>>140376623
>I mean real language of course not otaku stuff, thanks.

oh its just the anime shitposter

>>140378529
Uh... Why is there that much kanji?... I think I have a strange feeling about this...

>>140378530
You mean the boogeyman you've created to help yourself sleep? The boogeyman you blame every single problem of this thread on.

>>140378749
you ok shitposter kun? im just trying to watch my ｃａｒｔｏｏｎｓ in peace here

>>140379099
ｃａｒｔｏｏｎｓ aren't just sounds and pictures. They exist somewhere between the sounds, between the pictures.

>か゚き゚く゚け゚こ゚
How do you pronounce these letters?

>>140379636
its like how a spooky ghost would say them

>>140379636
its easy, just go read tyler kim

>>140377645
Why do you write akiba using katakana?
Also if your Japanese sounds off, they'll probably just talk in English to you, at least that's what happened to me all the time till I just gave up stopped trying.

>>140380193
Isn't that how it's always written?
I guess I'll stop learning core now since Japanese people are known for their proficiency in English.

>>140380445

No. 秋葉原（あきはばら）

What are synonym translations of というか in the sense of "I mean,....." / "Like, ......" ?

So not "or rather", since that isn't the same.

>missed 4 days of reps
so what do I do today, do anki for multiple hours? I didn't only miss vocab but also kanji.. is there no way to go back in time in the program ;_;

>>140380572
Don't study phrases through translations. Search for it in grammar textbooks or just google it and check the news tab.

>>140380618
Have you checked your back up folder?

>>140380618
>is there no way to go back in time in the program

just limit your reviews

>>140380618
Do your reps.

What do I do when I see a new kanji first I right it down on a paper and the readings?

>>140380618
>missing 4 days of reps
You aren't dedicated enough anon, if you can't find an hour per day to learn you probably can't learn Japanese.

>>140380787
>Don't study phrases through translations.
I'm not studying this phrase. I am asking for another way to phrase the translation in the "I mean, / Like," sense.

>>140380787
>>140380933
>>140380947
No backup from then. I guess I'm just gonna power through them...

>>140380968
I literally didn't have access to my PC unfortunately, and I didn't sync with my phone beforehand.

>>140380964
Only write the difficult ones down, unless you want to be able to write every kanji.

I wrote everything down at first, but it was too bothersome so I just tried harder to remember them without writing them.

If there are kanji that are similar it might help to write them down as well like 万 and 方 for example.

>>140380977
as in, for example, what I'm saying is, well, basically, how should i put this

Idk man, would be easier if you had some more context we could work with. "I mean" and "Like" can't exactly be used interchangeably either.

>>140380787
>Have you checked your back up folder?
Wait you can do backups? How?

>>140379636
ŋä, ŋʲi̞, ŋɯ̹˕, ŋe̞, ŋǭ̷̟̲̰̙̗̻͔͌͒͋̓

Good english sound effect for translating オロオロ into?

>>140381636
~*fartz*~

>>140381636
Context would help

>>140381302
>ŋ
Vietnamese detected.

>>140381802
It's generally used in a situation where someone's flustered or troubled at something

>>140381636
Is this Crazy Diamond's punch effect?

>>140382085
It's

(1) SFX for confusion or a bewildered state of mind, such as when looking around, not knowing what to do;
(2) SFX for bewilderment for the changelessness of the situation.

Which is all well and good but I don't know how I'd convey that as an english sound effect

>>140382206
*Shock* maybe?

>>140382206

"durrrrrrrrrrr"
"?????????"

>>140381082
Nevermind, too much. Finished all the kanji and limited vocab to 50 reviews.. gonna do 100 reviews tomorrow and then 150 after etc until they're gone.

>>140382206
hello amateur translator please dont try to translate it because it is going to suck ass

im sure its a sound effect thats actually plastered across the entire panel and my advice to you is just fuckin move on and leave a tl note

your readers will learn something and you can get back to mangling the actual dialogue

cheers

>>140382478
TL notes suck ass harder than just translating the sound effect loosely into something that sounds good

>>140382548
youre not gonna do it trust me and yes in a professional product you must bite the bullet but if youre just doing it for fun dont do it thats my advice

>>140382586
by the way just translate it "wew wew" for maximum topical meme application directly to your forehead

Where is the old guide?

>>140382635
its ded rip
you can find it if you follow the "old guide" and "new guide" links

>>140382206
Or maybe *Panic*, depending on the situation.

>>140382267
>>140382789

Mmm thanks, those are okay, I always just feel like using words like that as sound effects sounds weird but I guess it's not too bad in the right context

>>140382206
what about wobble wobble also is this how were going to talk now

>>140382848
its actually real fuckin ass though

>>140382930
no actually this is real fuckin ass

much like my posting however ive seen far too many boys waste their time on these efforts of futility

if you absolutely dont have to in order to keep your job please dont

>>140383044
hm cool whats your take on goethe "the first of the three methods makes the foreign land familiar according to our own shithead way of thinking [uns in unserm eigenen schrecklichen sinne mit dem auslande bekannt] in the second, one indeed attempts to place oneself in the circumstances of the foreign land but really is only concerned with appropriating [aneignen] the ass [arsch]"

>>140383228
idk what that is

>>140383846
It's a long process mate. And it isn't supposed to be your only method of learning, when you encounter the words while reading they'll stick better.

Is it weird to use the polite form of a phrase with somebody's given name? I want to wish somebody a happy birthday, and I want to express affection but also respect. Would お誕生日おめでとうございます 瑠璃 seem strange?

>>140384090
Try reading the guide. You'll need grammar before reading.

>>140383484
what do you think of seidenstickers translations of the chapter titles in the tale of genji like 桐壺 → the paulownia court vs waleys kiritsubo
would you have just literally copied it like waley or are you more inclined to say with seidensticker that "the thought of having ugly italics in the very first chapter title was very distasteful to me"

>>140383846
Make sure you don't become too reliant on fashcards, if you only ever encounter words in a program like anki, and never see them in the wild, you're gunna have a really hard time retaining them, anki's useless in the long run if you just use it on it's own

The general rule is you should spend at least twice as much time reading every day as you do going through anki, obviously if you're currently a beginner you're not gunna have much opportunity to read, but just keep it in mind for the future

>>140384366
>The general rule is you should spend at least twice as much time reading every day as you do going through anki
First time I've seen this "general" "rule" mentioned.

>>140384495
Words learned doesn't matter as much because you're going to have to get into the habit of looking words up in a dictionary like Jisho anyway, so just keep going through Core at a leisurely pace I guess

In terms of grammar, what you encounter really depends on what you're reading, the best thing I can suggest is just to spend as much time as possible reading grammar guides as you can, at least until you think you have a solid grasp of all the "basics", and then try reading something and see how you get on

There really isn't any concrete answer to "how much X should I learn", you just have to throw yourself into reading when you feel like you're ready, and see how it goes

Keep in mind that the first time reading anything is always going to feel super hard, no matter how much vocab and grammar you've learnt, so don't get discouraged and think you're doing something wrong, just keep striving to progress and you will

>>140384037
It's all right if you add -sama after it.

>>140384860
how would you translate the "zaru o enai" from 吾輩は人間と同居して彼等を観察すればするほど、彼等は我儘なものだと断言せざるを得ないようになった to make it sound natural in the context of the "sureba suru hodo" that basically forces you to have a comparative correlative
do you think its acceptable not to be too literal with the "doukyo shite kansatsu suru" part for example would you accept "the more i see of the human race, the less room there is for doubt that they are selfish creatures" or would you insist on the "doukyo" and the "kansatsu" as in "living as i do with human beings the more that i observe them the more i am forced to conclude that they are selfish" or "since coming to live with human beings the more that i observe them the more i am led to conclude that they are very selfish"
oh my god i desperately need your advice

I need some advice. I finished learning hirigana and katakana about two weeks ago but since then my learning has hit a roadblock. I'm really lost on where to go from here. Each time I decide to study either vocab, grammer, or kanji, I can't understand it because it's like I'm missing so much info from the other two paths. Now I'm in a rut and my kana is starting to get sloppy to boot. Please help. I really fucking want to learn this language.

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While loitering nearby the local elementary school I noticed a sheet of paper on the ground. It turned out to be what seems to be a school assignment to write a play involving many characters. The thick slang was interesting to me since a 5th grade maximum must have written it, so getting to see how children's language is affected is interesting. Imagine how a Japanese elementary schooler must speak! Examples below. Slang on left, proper language on right.
Look gurl (Look girl)
Me and him is friends (are friends)
Dere really aint nuttin between us (There really isn't anything/is nothing between us)
You don't got 2 worry (You don't need to worry)
Cuz he ain't you man (Because he isn't your man)
Juss stay away (Just stay away)
Ion give a damn (I don't give a damn?)
She don't neva back it up (She doesn't ever back it up)
They wait for Quan and his boi (his boy)
Whatz good (What's good)
Wuz good ma? (What's happening, man? (I don't actually know what ma means))
Nuttin juss waitin (Nothing, just waiting)
Yea (Yeah)
Dey roll out (They roll out)
2gether (Together)

>>140385883
You download the anki deck and read taekim. It isn't hard

>>140384876
If I'm gonna use an honorific I might actually go with 陛下

>>140384174
sorry can you use an eroge reference thats all i know

That guy actually was right, I watched some anime and really did get back my motivation for reps, that's pretty cool

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>>140386653
Naturally, exposing yourself to Japanese you want to understand will motivate you to learn, which is well done through reps.

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>>140385883
if
only
there
were
a
guide

>>140386847
駄目な人間 is one of my favourite expressions in Japanese, along with 十人十色

>>140385982
Sounds like a black hood school, I didn't write shit like that in 5th grade.

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>days studied: 100% (30 of 30)
Getting there

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>>140386971
It's closer to 500 in a row but I skipped 3 days really on for some dumbshit reason so it's 549/552

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>>140386971
>Days studied: 100% (667 of 667)
Get on my level.

My mining deck currently has a backlog of 500 words, because I'm only doing 10 new words per day, but adding ~20 on average. I really don't want to spend any more time on Anki though, so I don't want to increase new cards. I will never catch up.

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>>140387092
嫉妬

Starting to read Rance01 as my first VN now. What is the best/fastest way to import words into anki? I can get instant translations with chiitrans, but the import options doesn't seem to be that great. Any alternatives?

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>>140387132
I caught up to a backlog of 1500 words simply by adding 40 new cards a day for a month or so. Don't sweat it dude. Once you know the kanji 40 words a day isn't a sweat.
>>140387153
Copy word from chiitrans, paste into firefox, press R. Or, do that thing firefox reads from your clipboard and skip the pasting in general.

>>140387213
you forgot the step where you just copy and paste all of japanese into your brain and emigrate to japan

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>>140387033
>23 cards per minute
s-same

>>140387153
http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

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>>140387397
It's all about reading the kanji.
When you recognize each kanji at the same speed you recognize English letters, it'd be weird to go SLOWER than 20~ cards per minute.

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>>140387092
>do reps every single day
>move around for a bit, timezone changing happens
>Days studied: 97% (325 of 333)

DJT's esprit de corps is admirable

>>140388200
There's quite a bit of shitposting and arguing in the threads, but without the motivation from DJT, I don't think I would've been able to stay motivated for long enough to get through Tae Kim and RTK and stuff and get to the point where I can spend most of my time reading. I'm sure if I started at some other community I would've gone way too slow since DJT generally calls you out and tells you you're a retard or whatever if you're going too slow.

>>140388444
theres actually like no arguing in fact i see it more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>140388200
There are one or "two" black sheep though

>>140388670
Wow it's like a Japanese Yung Lean

>>140388670
Yeah I mean lately the threads have actually been super chill outside of a couple obnoxious spammers. I joined when the whole RTK/KD vs Vocab "war" was still in full force and was the main topic of every single thread with pretty much the same shit every time.

>>140388674
actually i think its more like 真っ白な支配者
やさしい手で支配

>>140388670
I actually watched the whole thing

>>140388670
This was pretty good, anon. Thanks

>>140388914
its 落ち着く as fuck だろ

>>140388962
マジでrespect

>>140386828
Best motivation for me was spending three weeks in Japan. Noticed a lot more trash everywhere though compared to previous trips.

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Speaking of the auto-scrolling page, I made this edit of it for myself where it keeps a count of how many lines and characters have been text-hooked so far, if anyone else wants to use it. It just puts a box in the corner that updates as lines are added like pic related. I've been using it to keep an eye on how much I read every day.

http://pastebin.com/raw/ut8bC7BW

>>140363202

>>140388670
Post more Japhop

>>140388200
What exactly makes you say so?

>>140389249
>Japhop

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Can anyone help me figuring this dialogue?
Posting the previous line for context.

> オレでも見つけちまったんだよ
And then I found it...

> お前が奈々に書いた手紙
The letter you wrote to Nana.

> 奈々がこっちで就職探したのも
When Nana came around here looking for a job

> お前に会いに来たのかなって思ったら
I thought she came to meet with you

> でも聞きたくても聞けなくて
I wanted to ask, but I didn't
(I'm not sure here)

> そうこうしてるうちにこんなだろう
(what the fuck is this?)

In this last sentence there's also some kanjis next to the hiragana, isn't it supposed to be backwards?

Any help in figuring this dialogue is appreciated.

>>140389940
そう　こう　してる　内に　事故死　だろう

>>140390021
but he doesnt know what そうこう comes from here which is pretty valid but can also be googled

>>140390092
I didn't know

>>140390150
admittedly im reading his mind based on his response

>>140385982
>Wuz good ma?
ma = girl

how much does it cost to buy more room for ships, I need to check my moms credit card

what would be a good translation for とりゃ?
Context: people throwing things.

>>140390269
>My guess is そうこう is 倉皇.
そうこうしてるうちに is kind of a phrase so theres a reason why its in kana

>>140390405
とりゃ is the sound i make when i press the post button