>Goku moved faster than time SUPERMAN ON SUICIDE WATCH

>kaio ken gives a burst in ki but strains the body
>god form has enhanced healing abilities
>kaio ken gives Goku the stamina to maintain god form while god form allows his body to heal the strain of kaio ken.

It's like poetry

superman can reverse time
now what

>>140266367
By spinning the earth in the opposite direction?

Not only would that cleave the planet apart, but it's absolutely retarded.

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>>140266248
>it's a powerlevel argument thread

>>140266500
Ki is like nen in Hunter x Hunter
If you aren't constantly keeping your guard up, someone can just avoid all that raw ki because it's not being used as defense.

Like that time Krillin threw a rock at Goku's head and it actually hurt him.

>>140266344
>mistaken for Super Saiyan God for SSGB

He doesn't heal anymore because of deity ritual ended

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>>140266248
Under that retarded logic Goku would be faster than Whis.
In DBZ, Powerlevel > Hax

Also
>faster

>>140266248
didn't help The Flash in BVS

This shit again?


People who have this stupid Goku vs Superman debate have never actually read any serious amount of Superman comics.

At this points, the only versions of Superman more powerful than Goku are:

Thought Robot Superman
5D Superman
Superman Prime (Time Trapper)
Superman Prime(Full Oan Amp)
Superman Prime 1M (Debatable, he's entirely hype)
Superdoom Braniac
Pre-Crisis Superman w/SoS
Peak Silver Age Superman
Composite Superman (Silver Age)


Thats it. People trying to wank current Superman or pre-flashpoint Superman by using some kind of bizarre scaling argument off of flash or "muh infinity muhfugga" don't actually know shit.
The fact is, the only versions of Superman still powerful enough are from one-shot single event stories, and mainline Superman is just mid-high herald tier and has been as such for a while.

Vegeta vs robot was my favourite fight in a long time

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>powerlevel thread
>no one posted muh attoseconds yet

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>>140267132
B-But Superman can lift infinity!

>>140267219
Literally who cares when time-stoppers are a dime a dozen once you leave herald tier?

>>140267266
People who try to use this as a 'feat' are the worst.

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>>140266248
>he doesnt know how fucking ridiculous superman powers can be sometimes

>>140267047
that´s so fucking retarded.

>>140267455
>>>>140267132

>>140267132
Goku can destroy the Universe in a few punches and it's not even his strongest form. I don't see how those Pre-Crisis iterations of Superman could even touch him.

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>>140267266
>Morrison metafiction shit
>Indicative of actual character powers and limits

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>>140267269
What about time erasers?

>>140267526
As a whole, they can't. I only listed three from pre-crisis. One is the heavy reality warping amp of the SoS, the next is if you only use his outlier feats (time phasing, big bang suppression, Hyper Powers) and the third is Composite Superman, who has all the hax of the Silver Age legion of Superheroes.

>>140267526
>Goku can destroy the Universe in a few punches

Kill yourself. Superman throws him into a black hole and calls it a day.

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>>140267682
>Superman

>can touch Goku

>>140266248
>Death Battle happens
>OH YEAH WELL GOKU CAN DESTROY THE UNIVERSE WITHOUT ANY EFFORT NOW AND HE ALSO MOVES FASTER THAN SPEED, TAKE THAT FUCKING SUPERKEK

Damn there is some really angry manchild over there at Toei

>>140267682
Don't be dense. Mainline post-crisis Superman has gotten the piss beaten out of him by way less than Goku - but I suppose you don't actually read Superman comics then.

>>140267132

>>140267743
Stop posting that stupid shit.

If you want battle between two characters you don't post the weakest versions of each others.
Silver Age Superman is literally massively FTL and can go back in time by running. He walks circles around Goku and bitchslaps him to the other side of the universe.

>MAI ANIMU CHARACTER CAN BEAT UR CARTOON CHARACTER

jesus fucking christ how childish.

usually, having characters be nothing but an endless cycle of "I am stronger than you." is seen as shit.

Superman is a shit character, Goku is a shit character.

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>>140267526
Threads like this are always fucking retarded but
>Goku can destroy the Universe in a few punches
isn't really true. It was only happening because of the combined force of him and Beerus clashing.

Piccolo is actually the only one that can beat Superman, cuz he can use magic

>>140266248
If he's faster than time how can be beerus faster than him?

>>140267798
Bullshit. You use the characters currently in continuity unless otherwise specified. Peak SA Supes has been included on the list of Superm(en) who can take Goku.

>>140266535
>he powered down to such a low level with a LIVING OPPONENT in front of him
His base should probably have been able to take that laser.

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>>140266248
All that power an he still can't get out of this shitty japanese cartoon. What a shame.

>>140267507
stay mad fag

>>140267922
But all versions of Superman actually exist at the same time. Multiverse and shiet.

>>140267737

Nobody with a job cares whether goku can beat superman

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>>140267937
no kidding, moefag.

>>140267132
>herald-tier
what does this mean?

>>140268011
like super cosmic people give you cosmic powers, I think

>>140267737
Doesn't matter anyway.
Death Battle uses composite feats so basically the fighters have all feats from every instance they appeared in.
Cosmic Armor Supes literally erases Goku with a blink.

>>140268011
Cosmic power granted by Galactus.
Basically you get to be Silver Surfer level.

>>140267989
Can confirm, I have a job and don't really care.

>>140267978
Convergence made them all canon, but the current actuality DC is focusing on is prime earth. If you want to use SA Supes fine, but unless otherwise specified it is current continuity Superman.

>>140268011
Scaling off of Galactus heralds. Silver-Surfer level and a little below.

>>140267507
Sums up DC nicely.

things that can put superman in a commatose state or make him less powerful because he cant just simply die.
green, blue and gold kryptonite
magic (for some reason)
doomsday
batman

>>140268152
Magic in comics is fucking powerful man.
It's basically Reality Warping tier.
Unless you have some sort of magic resistence, even if you could smash planets apart with a punch you would still get beaten by someone like Dormammu for example who can turn you into stone with a tought.

>>140266344
>implying it's not like pottery.

>>140268083
I don't know who galactus or the silver surfer are, though. Are all superpowered people related to galactus in the marvel(?) world?

Is this comic scale the norm when it comes to powerlevel comparisons?

Where are haruhi or the mahoukaguy

>>140268199
*or the mahouka guy on this scale

>>140268152
You can beat him to death if you're strong enough. He's never had infinite strength except in the wet dreams of screw attack.

>>140268199
Basically Herald Tier is planet level + destructive capacity, capping out at star level around surfer.

>>140267266
>mandrakk
>man
>drakk
>man
>darkk
>dark

man dark

dark man

>>140268252
#niggersuperman

>>140268244
his body will always recover even from a dead state due to sun radiation the only one that actually succesfully killed kryptons last son was Alan Moore

>>140266500
multiplying 0 by a shitload is still 0

powerlevels are basically like an erection

super saiyan is viagra

>>140268427
Nah. If you behead him or cut him apart he won't regen. I don't think he even has feats regrowing limbs, he can just do serious tissue repair and resist atrophy.

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>Finally a pretty hype fight in this episode
>"Ah that was refreshing and it seems the fight will continue the next episode, can't wait"
>Preview: "GOKU LOSES OR HE POWERS UP EVEN MORE OR SOMETHING. Oh, you wanted to find out by yourself by watching the episode, too bad!"

>>140267830
salamat malam

>>140267132
>Thought Robot Superman
Not Superman a mech suit piloted by Superman and Ultraman
>5D Superman
Not a real thing he has 5D mixed breed ancestors who have some extra senses but not 5D imp powers
>Superman Prime (Time Trapper)
No, he lost to like 4 S-Tiers Goku would shit on them
>Superman Prime(Full Oan Amp)
He got taken out by a universal explosion Goku would shit on him
>Superman Prime 1M
Literally no feats man, but he couldn't save one Universe weaker than Strange Visitor Superman
>Superdoom Braniac
Used up all his power just to end the war on earth, cure himself, and teleport them across the universe overstated how strong Brainiac would be
>Pre-Crisis Superman w/SoS
Omnipotent so yes
>Peak Silver Age Superman
No, he's as fast as Goku but he never came close to hitting as hard as Goku does
>Composite Superman (Silver Age)
Literally the same as the above

>>140266666
nice fucking quints made, hail satan!

>>140268294
No you faggot. Day man.

>>140268777
*mate, and fuck yes a trips is fine too

>>140268759
Silver age superman took out solar systems with a sneeze.
You guys try too hard for your fucked up powerlevel wanking.

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So if Beerus is already starting to shit his pants with SSBKKN Goku then Vegito/Gogeta is well beyond the gods, yes?

>>140268803
Goku took out the universe with a punch

>>140268800
Double dubs too apparently

>>140268759
>>Peak Silver Age Superman
>No, he's as fast as Goku but he never came close to hitting as hard as Goku does

>he's as fast as goku

lmao what a fucking mongoloid

>>140267047

Kill yourself nigger.

>inb4 that shitty image of EGD gets posted
>reminder than neither Nya or Yog were ever sealed
>or killed
Only an avatar of Nya was destroyed (temporarely)

Besides, why did I even bother reading such an incoherent mess of shitty eroge.

>>140268878
Because somehow eroges have the best POWERLEVELS! memes.

Like Fate or Tsukihime.

>>140267047
It amuses me how superhero comics manage to be even more cringier than "pssh nothing personnel kid but yer whole life was a hologrem and now i stabbed ur hearth and u die" otaku media.

>>140268868
This isn't even speed it's just bullshit so if Superman moves as fast as he can he time travels yet there's more than one comic where he pushes himself to max speed but doesn't time travel what the fuck?

>>140268828
Unless Beerus has some trump card or for some reason that official power level thing about Goku, Beerus and Vados isn't true anymore Goku should be already be able to beat the shit out of max Beerus.

>>140267219
This feat is retarded so what? He can think fast it literally doesn't say shit about his speed besides faster than time which is wrong he uses the speedforce to time travel

purple penis head

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"pshh... nothing personnel kid"

>>140267830
This is the ugliest language I have ever seen.

I'm torn
On the one hand, I love Kaioken. It's actually one of my favorite techniques because it's a double-edged sword.

On the other hand, this is fucking bullshit. Since when has Goku been able to combine SSJ and Kaioken? Isn't the reason he didn't use it because SSJ gave him more power than Kaioken could WITHOUT tearing up his body? So what the shit?
And I know there's going to be a gaggle of DBZ nerds to make up excuses for it, but even if, EVEN IF we accept that it just works.
It doesn't answer the question of why he never did it before.

>>140269077
They already said why, Vegeta said he stopped using it because both at once would drain him too fast if not outright kill him, and he says that SSB is a much more efficient form so he was finally capable of combining the two, even Goku says he's already out of energy after like 1 minute of using it, and it only had a 10% chance of working at all.

>>140269077

He can push kaioken further than sayan, but his body would get fucked up. Now he can use it cause sayan god improves stamina.

>10% chance to use Kaikoken
>It works

That's not how gambling works in real life.

>>140269077

He explains why he didn't use it before in the episode.

>>140267219
How many times has Flash been killed by Deathstroke now? 3 times?

>>140269077
Watch the episode, they say what you said.
He didn't use Kaioken for so long because of what you said but since Blue is based on having calm and controlled Ki Goku can take the strain of the technique.

>>140269157

He's going off fire emblem chances.

>>140268977
>Goku

>defeat 70% Beerus

Maybe 85% at best.

>>140269077
>It doesn't answer the question of why he never did it before.

Because each time he was losing he transformed into ssj 1,2,3 etc.

Now he couldnt as SSj Blue is the last form he can achieve so he had to use Kaioken to become stronger.

Also SSj blue lets him concentrate while SSj is pure rage as he said in the episode.

>>140267455
Superman gets beaten up by some guy in a robot suit in BvS. Clark is weaksauce.

Devilmite beam would simply destroy all if it hits you.
Unless you have literally zero evil in your heart.

>>140268856
yeah i noticed but i thought it was enough checkin' for awhile

>>140269077
yeah from what i understood the reason kaioken wasn't used was not the strain on the body, it was because it didn't stack with SSJ (only highest multiplier works). apparently that is false and I'm sure the hardest core nerds are flipping their shit about it, like you except worse. I don't need to defend this, you heard it from the horse's mouth, SSB is different from SSJ so it can work with kaioken because muh calm and focused form while yelling like a madman.

Is there any confirmation that SSB is around SSG level and that Kaioken would elevate Blue beyond God level?

He didn't move faster than time. His power is just so high at x10 that time freeze doesn't affect him (it also didn't affect Whiss, but affected Beerus, who couldn't tell what technique Hit was using).
Goku>Beerus

>>140269227
oh and yeah apparently not only do the multipliers stack, kaioken multiplies the SSB powerlevel not base. shit's imbalanced.

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>>140268987
The point is that powerlevels are retarded because it's not absolutely constant. And sometimes retarded shit like this happens, making the 'who is stronger than who' argument pointless anyway.

>>140267881
So he could smash his own fists together and produce the same effect? Great.

1. A version of Superman, whether you like it or not.

2. There is a 5D Imp Superman as part of the 853rd century forces.

3. He let those herald-tiers into his pocket dimension. There is no reason that he can't easily BFR gokuthrough the timeline.

4. He got KO'd by a universal explosion when his amp had run out. Before then he was running through the source wall.

5. I mentioned his lack of feats.

6. Agreement.

7. He's far faster than goku. Some of his flights can be calced to multi billion light years. I added him due to his time phasing powers that he exhibited once and the Hyper-Powers he gained for a few issues.

8. Composite Superman is a different character- with all the power of the legion of Superheroes. Do the research.

>>140268759
>>140269410

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>ten times kaoi-ken +ssg
Stronger than Beerus confirmed

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>using old footage

Kek

Why are people so eager to discuss who's the strongest fictional character? Writing a character that has no flaws isn't something to brag about, it's the very definition of bad writing. You're all basically discussing which character has the most retarded writers.

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>>140267219
>muh attoseconds
>no one posted muh banana yet

>>140269382
Thanos wants to lose, if he's ever going to win he will make himself lose subconsciously
>>140269221
It already didn't hurt Goku

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>>140268252
>mandark
What about him?

>>140269410
>all this autism physic
pls no

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Here I was hoping it was going to be some new interesting technique that can counter hit time leap. Nope, it's another dumb power up.

>>140269729
>Impling this isn't less retarded then if he magically came up with some completely new technique that could beat time stopping

>>140269620
He's some ten times larger there.

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We all know who's the strongest anyway.

>>140269768
It's not. He trained for three years in time chamber. We haven't seen new techniques in ages. It's always a dumb dispute about whose energy beams is stronger or who can power up higher.

>>140269768

It would at least be creative instead of just more recoloring.

>>140269382
Cheese and crackers!

>>140269620
>The way the old art style clashes with the new one due to how sketchy the old one is and due to how perfectly generic clean the new one is

eugh

At this point, I just want to see Super in anything but HD if only to replicate that worn out feeling the original show had only because the new art style when seen in HD, makes you easily point out how fucking flawed the animation actually is in several parts without even trying.

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>>140267266
god dammit im so used to reading manga pages in this board that i started reading from the wrong side and didn't get shit of what he was saying the first time

>>140269813
It wouldn't have made sense
>>140269812
How would this have helped him come up with a technique that specifically counters the time stop?

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>>140269646
Fucking this, I always thought that they were created "X power" for "Y ability". They will always add another ridicilous powerup/skill whatever to keep the story going. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

>hitto is broken and can get pretty much as strong as he wants
>Vegeta: b-but muh saiyan race is best in the universe

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>>140267219
I could have sworn I had a pic that had that pic and pic related added to it, but can't find it right now, so this'll have to do.

>>140269867
It would be a strategic technique that could turn out to help against time stop. It doesn't have to be created directly to counter time stop.

>>140269899
>>140269659

I'll check your dubs but you should have checked the thread!

>>140269899

Oh, someone already posted it. Sweet
>>140269659

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>>140269899
Have a thanos as consolation.

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Great perspective.

>>140269993
Thanks. One day I will find it. when I'm not trying to find it

I don't buy the explanation why Goku hasn't been using kaio-ken. He's been through several life-or-death situations now, it's retarded he never used it if he could. Now then suddenly Goku could easily steamroll all villains since Frieza and just chose not to.

>>140269996

And I thought I was the only one unsettled by that. Gosh.

>>140270087
The thing is he couldn't use it while being ssj, due to rage and etc. Now he can use it because ssb works differently.

I'm just curious about how Vegeta is going to do to keep up.

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>has superhuman visual perception like jaco
>can look in different directions at the same time
>invented some of the most unorthodox techniques that are useful regardless of power level (solar flare, tri-beam)
>has good capability of learning techniques from observation (like the kamehameha)

Why did Toriyama ditch him?

>>140266535
Correct but that rock thing is filler.

Saitama>goku
Prove me wrong

>>140270583
VA died

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>>140270654

>>140266248
The sound of Screwattack shitting themselves.

>>140270087
It would have blown his body apart just with the transformation according to his explanation, learning to control Blue gave him the ki control necessary to not die. The SSJ transformations are tiring but they don't ruin your shit like Kaio-ken does.

>>140269864
Same here anon.

>>140269149
>>140269155
So the answer is that SSJ Blue conveniently makes his body enough to withstand Kaioken, making an old technique that was useless into a trump card.

This is the definition of an asspull.

Trans-time is Flash tier speed. In fact one of Flash's most retarded feats is moving faster than time. Combine that with Goku's destructive capacity and he wrecks any version of Supes save for the nigh-omnipotent ones.

Are they sticking with "Super Saiyan Blue" now as opposed to "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan"? Because I'd really much prefer the former.

I Fucking hate what ScrewAttack has done to the community. They take everything litterly and can cherrypick feats and versions of the strongest type of superman they want.
For it to be a legit 1:1 battle I want 30 other Manga artists to Remake DBZ in their own version on the powers and rules of that universe for over 50 years. Then cherrypick the cosmic destroyer version of Goku to pit against the superman who could only lift a few tons. no ever beter yet i want goku to vs Baby superman

>>140270872
Yes it's called Super Saiyan Blue now

Jeez... Theese made up stories sure are getting complicated on who's imaginary freind is stronger then each others

>>140270583
>tfw he will never marry lunch because toriyama forgot they both exist

>>140266437

No, by flying faster than the speed of light excessively. Theory of relativity. As you approach light speed, time slows down. As you hit light speed, time for the object traveling stops.

As an object exceeds light speed, time for that object reverses. It takes excessively faster than light travel to make than applicable. Seeing as Superman achieves this, he can do it at will.

>>140270824
The training to learn Blue was literally "git gud at controlling ki until you can punch gods"

The downside to Kaio-ken was always "OH GOD TOO MUCH KI MY MUSCLES ARE EXPLODING"

>>140269591
I really don't see how he's not at this point.

>>140270872
Super Saiyan Blue is simpler than SSGSS, so it's best.

>>140270978
Don't try to apply logic to these things.

>>140269591
Wasn't beerus using like 15% of his power against SSG Goku? Now he's Super Saiyan Blue and ten times stronger.

>>140268759

TRS is as much Superman as Tony Stark is Iron Man. Unless we expect Tony Stark to fight without his suit in a death battle.

>>140271023
Bad writing

>>140270824
Normal SSJ was never a strain on the body. They literally spent an entire Arc in Perma-SSJ.

>>140269408

Based on how they explained it they were created waves of energy. Anyone who knows anything about physics knows you can amplify a wave if you have another wave positioned just the right way.

This is why Goku and Beerus together were reverberating off of each other creating a death wave of destruction.

You can also cancel a wave out via wave inerference cancelling the wave entirely. Which, for god knows why, Goku figured out and changed how he was fighting to cancel the wave of death and destruction all together.

Because science.

When will they reboot Dragon Ball with new interesting characters and without dumb power ups that multiply power a hundred times?

>>140270583
>solar flare
Why did they ditch this move? Was it too stronk since everyone has eyes?

>>140271253
They did. It's called Dragon Ball Evolution :^)

>>140271189
Don't recall the Hyperbolic Time Chamber times with Goku and Gohan?

They were trying to get rid of the strain unlike Vegeta and Trunks.

>>140271130

It's how they explain it in the comics and why they created Speed Force. It's a cop out writing tool for The Flash to ignore the Theory of Relativity and not cause time distortions anytime he goes FTL.

>>140267266
That's not Superman though.
Not the big U on his chest.

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If Superman so desires, time around him sits at a standstill.

>>140266666
>>140268777
>>140268800


>Quints
>Trips
>Double dubs

What

>>140271403

That's Ultraman, Evil Superman from Earth 3.

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>a fucking branding iron

>>140271461

Yes and Goku died during the Raditz fight. Your point?

>>140271461
Kid Goku would have brushed that aside.

>>140271512
Goku died because of Piccolo's move, which isn't weak by any means.

>>140271461
Superman's guard was down!

>>140271555

You missed the point. We're not trying to pit characters at their worst against each other. We want them at their best otherwise there's no point.

Terra Man used magic, which we know Superman is effected by (not weak to). Specifically that's the Tobias Manning from Earth 337 where all it's inhabitants know magic. He was brought to Earth 1 to stall Superman while Earth 1 Superman was able to do his shit.

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Superman survives going into a black hole. Which, by the way, at it's event horizon has a gravitational force of infinity.

Vegeta and Goku struggle at 150-500 times Earth's Gravity.

>>140271813
>Vegeta and Goku struggle at 150-500 times Earth's Gravity.
In their base forms before a shit ton of training sagas, sure.

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>>140271433

>>140271889

Finite < Infinite.

Unless they get an infinite increase in their durability, it won't make them capable of withstanding infinite gravity.

test

>>140271153
70%

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>>140271813
500+

Vegeta can't even feel sub 100.

>>140271712
>Terra Man used magic
Terra Man used alien technology though.

>>140271889

Finite < Infinite

Unless their transformations grant them an infinite increase in durability, strength and stamina... they will still not be able to withstand infinite gravity. Even if SSG grants them a one billion times increase to all their abilities.

It will still not be infinite.

>>140271987

They showed him struggling with 150 times at the beginning of Super.

>>140272033
>Toriyama
>consistency
Vegeta was breezing through 400 before the android saga

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>>140271813

Then he flies from said black hole back to Earth in 60 days time. Closest black hole to Earth is Sagittarius A. Which is roughly 26,000 light-years away.

Which is roughly 158,166 times the speed of light. That's being nice and not assuming he literally meant he flew there from the darkness of space, a place light doesn't reach.

Because that would be 13.8 billion lightyears away.

If he was being literal, then that means he also did that while having no access to sunlight.

>>140271813
Black holes aren't infnite at all, specially in fiction.

Anyone who can move slightly faster than light can escape its gravitational pull.

>>140272062

Never depicted as such in the manga. That's due to the liberties Toei Animation took with the show. Also his conversation with PuiPui about 450 times gravity was also an anime exclusive feature. Didn't happen in the manga and if I remember correctly it was only in the English Dub.

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Anything superman can do such feats regardless of different authors still be canon?

>>140271995
What's your point? Superman can't create black holes.

>>140272078

Gravity is effected by density. Black holes have infinite density.

>>140272131

If he can tank the infinite force of a black hole, survive a universe exploding in his face (Crisis on Infinite Earths) and travel faster than Goku ever could...

Goku can not only never hurt the fucker, but he can't even keep up.

>>140272066
>Closest black hole to Earth is Sagittarius A
this doesn't sound right...

>>140271813

Man Superman can be so fucking retarded. I don't mind the early ridiculousness because of the tone but now everythig is super serious and "dark", and all scenes are delivered completely straight. It's so serious that I can't take it seriously.

>Can lift infinity!
>Can survive infinite gravity!
>Yeah this is normal for his entire race!
>Oh but remember he's still weak to certain rocks (except when he isn't), his stories are still interesting guys!

The entire character is pure wanking, at least the Batman preptime meme has to come up with a couple line of technobabble to handwave its asspulls.

Also speedforce.

>>140272206
>this doesn't sound right...

You're correct, I just looked it up. My information was outdated. In 2010 a blackhole only 1600 lightyears away was discorvered.

This would mean he only traveled 9,733 times the speed of light.

>>140272245
You're missing the point.
The whole point of Superman is to be this "unbeatable" savior of humanity.
He's perfect because he has to be.

That's like, the whole fucking point.

>>140272281
MAN OF MURDERRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>140272281
But that's boring.

>>140272278
> 9,733 times the speed of light.

kek

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=26376

>>140272278
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V4641_Sagittarii
Not 1,600

>>140272033
well then Toriyama must be goofy cause by Buu vegeta was doing 500 like it was a run in the park, and he fought someone at 10 times and couldn't feel it.

>>140272245

As a Superman fan, I absolutely agree he is ridiculously overpowered. But I don't read his comics to watch him beat up bad guys or become even more powerful. It's his moral delima he lives with and personal restraints he puts on himself that makes him interesting.

He lives in a world made of cardboard, a god among men. He has to take precautions not to fight too hard or move to fast else he causes massive devastation. When a powerful foe shows up he has to decide just how much he has to let go of his restraints so he doesn't accidentally kill him or the people around him.

We all know he's OPAF. But that's not what makes him interesting.

>>140269996
It would be useable if Gokus clothes has more than 2 shades

>>140272356

Only stated in the Anime, not the manga. It was Toei's alteration that created that scenario, not Toriyama.

>>140271813
The Black hole was connected to Bleediac's dimension though - and didn't actually crush anything when they got to event horizon. There's no reason to assume that it's a real life blackhole.

>>140272033
>>140272356
https://youtu.be/aG5oTmipkd8?t=339

>>140272332

What they failed to factor in is the time distortion created by Beerus traveling faster than the speed of light at all. The world around Beerus traveling even at just light speed would be at a stand still, time would stop progressing. He would be there instantly as far as the world around him would be concerned. Even if he moved at 99.999999% the speed of light, time would slow down to a near stop during his travel there.

So yeah, their math is fucked. Any math based on how the outside world experiences an object traveling near light speed or FTL cannot be accurate. We'd need to know how much time elapsed from Beerus' perspective.

>>140266248
Oh for fuck's sake.

>>140272490
Even the users admitted the calc is flawed and fucked. Why are you replying to him?

>>140271461
So kryptonite and cowboys with branding irons are superman's weakness?

Good to know

>>140272281
>>140272361

Sure, I understand that, but any good point it might have is brought down by the fact that he's been doing the same thing for... shit, nearly a century in real life?

I mean, it really loses its impact when he's had a crisis about how far away from everything else he is because of his strenght for the 75th time.

Superman's concept could have worked in a single storyline with a clear beginning and end, the fact that he is living in the eternal worold of comic reboots and multiverses and recycling storylines only makes me hate the initial concept more and more. There's really nothing more that can be learned from Superman, the first world of cardboard speech was nice, but it just keeps on going.

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>JoJotards on suicide watch
>OPMtards on suicide watch
>Supertards on suicide watch
>/co/fags on suicide watch

11/10 episode

>>140272436

Yes, Toei's job, not Toriyama. That dialogue didn't happen in the manga.

>>140272429
Also, in that page itself they're saying that Superman would be crushed when they assumed that it was just a standard blackhole - but he wasn't killed because it wasn't really a natural blackhole, just a gap leading to the place outside of the universe that the original Brainiac had found.

>>140272532

To an extent, they did actually breath a lot of life into him with New 52 by bringing down the power scale immensely. That is, until he got late into the story and he got OPAF again. But still, at the start he wasn't crazy powerful. Just above average superhuman powerful.

It's why they abandoned ship on Post-Crisis. He was getting close to Pre-Crisis Superman. That and The Flash "destroyed" the universe by running really really fast.

>>140272532
Then you have a problem with the entire comics world and industry and not with Superman in particular.

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>>140271813
The thing with all these superman vs goku arguments is that superman was already born(written) that perfect while goku trains to surpass his limits. So nobody really knows if goku with enough training could also train under the gravity of a blackhole

But then, these arguments usually are the same as comparing carrots to onions

>>140268136
also battle shounen in general.

>0.2 seconds
>can only cover a short distance
I didn't realize they were so slow

>>140272708
Onions > power gap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>poop>>>>>>>>>>>> Carrots

>>140272429

When an object gets to the event horizon it never appears "Crushed" to any perspective. In fact it looks frozen in time there to all perspectives. We don't know what it is like for the perspective of the object going in as anything beyond the event horizon is... well, guess work.

So them not depicting things getting crushed is actually accurate. After that point it becomes science fantasy (not science fiction) because we don't know for sure 100% what lies beyond a black hole's event horizon.

>>140272640

Well, can't say I don't.

At least until a while ago I read some Marvel, but after Avengers Arena I realized they had absolutely zero interest in nurturing new characters, and both Superior Spider-Man and the hard reset that was its ending just made me lose any hope I had for the one hero I still cared about (should have been wiser and stopped back when he mad a deal with the devil)

DC is powerwanking central lead by Supes, Batman and Flash, while Marvel is a cesspool of drama and cheap deaths.

>>140272751
The characters themselves assumed that they'd be crushed though, like the dialogue indicates, and they aren't supposed to be dumb, so the clear implication is that they'd still need to advance further in order to get hit by the full force of the blackhole, but then the reveal afterwards stops all that.

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Kayo wha-

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>>140272933
Kaio- Crap

>>140268199
Haruhi is cube level (universe level).

It goes (one you reach planet level): herald (silver surfer, superman, etc) -> transcendent (thanos, asura, etc) -> skyfather (odin, dark schneider, etc) -> cube (haruhi, gigyas, etc) -> celestial (low multiversals like super demetio) -> abstract -> abstract+

>>140272281
Maybe the "point" of the character you want isn't the direction the writing is supposed to take

There's a reason The Death of Superman was so damn popular and sold millions

>>140266500
This was only in the movie. It was fixed in DBS.

>>140266666
Thank you quint god.

>>140273046
the music starts playing I would have been hyped but the theme song sucks ass. Plus there was just time being wasted just yelling at eachother, the parody became reality.

>>140273161
wasn't it the other way around?

>>140273217
Goku goes back to base in Super, while in RoF he is still in SSB.

>>140273217
yeah

>>140269157
Yes it does.
You have a 10% chance to win.
You just got lucky. You won't usually win, but you can win.

>>140272281
but he has been beaten, in more ways than one. He just comes back with a new plan to save the day.

>>140267507
Silver Age Supes, I ain't gotta explin shit. Nigga's the most powerful incarnation of the character, he's a god unto himself, making superpowers up on the fly and slinging entire solar systems around like it aint shit

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>Final boss
>Main theme starts

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>>140273406
Still gets his ass beat by The Main Man

>>140273124
Goku should be Skyfather level right? I mean he doesn't have much hax but being faster than time puts him above Flash in terms of speed. Flash only hit trans-time speed once with the help of everyone and, Blue Superman and other speedsters.

>>140273520
>help of everyone on Earth

>>140266248
still slower than flash

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>>140273217
no.

>>140270978
stay in school kid.
you can't go back in time that way.
only the future.

>>140273467
that ain't Silver Age Supes. Silver Age Superman would have done some weird shit like spawn three smaller Supermen and have them fly off into space to go fuck Lobo's mum in the ear

>>140273520
The levels are about destructive potency. Yes, he's generally regarded as being at least skyfather level, and some people think he's cube to celestial level.

>>140273565
>Goku can fire lasers from his nipples
How can Superman even compete?

>>140273565
Even his base form can tank weaker planet buster attacks. It's still bullshit.

>>140273623
He didn't get the chance to do it cause The Main Man doesn't fuck around

>>140270583
this guy deserves immortality and to be the god of earth desu. he's sure to surpass sayans in a few hundred years, plus he's pretty good hearted.
yamcha on the other hand will probably die like david carradine.

>>140270583
>Solar Flare

its such a broken technique I dont know why it isn't used more

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So it's basically confirmed that U7 is going to lose?

>>140273799
Only Frieza actually needs his eyes to fight. The rest can just sense you.

>>140273467
Lobo is the real shit.

>>140273912
My bet is they draw and U7 wins on account of Monaka being there.

>>140271242
>The characters aren't actually that strong because let me apply science to it to "disprove" it
Sorry Supermanfag, but no.

Doesn't Superman have that gary stu ability to raise his powerlevel to just above that of any opponent he faces, no matter how strong they are? I don't think Goku can beat that. Who could beat Superman though is Cardcaptor Sakura. Her abilities are like cheat codes.

>>140274128
>Doesn't Superman have that gary stu ability to raise his powerlevel to just above that of any opponent he faces, no matter how strong they are?
It's more like he gets to cut loose, because he "lives in a world of cardboard".

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>Vegeta gets worfed by the main opponent
>Goku pulls a new transformation off outclassing everyone
>winning side of the battle changes several times
>Veggie cries in the corner after losing dick-fencing contest against kaka carrot cake yet again

>>140273985
Now that would be some shit. No wonder Champa looks like he's about to fuck shit up in the preview.

>>140266248
DELETE THIS

>>140274182
>It's more like he gets to cut loose, because he "lives in a world of cardboard"
>I was holding back the whole time!
That's some Kubo tier writing there

This is embarrassing Dragon Ball is complete trash now go back to Gaia you bunch of monkeys.

>>140274128
Only Thought Robot

>>140270846

My gosh what fansub is that?

>El lugar en el que estoy

THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG

>Tú

It's withouth the ´ in the U idiotic Mexican shit.


My gosh. Lucky me I stopped watching spanish fansubs years ago and I only watch anime in english.

>>140273912
>U7 loses.
>Hit gets the chariot of the Gods.
>He reveals how evil he truly is.
>He starts fucking shit up in all universes.
>Not even the Gods can catch him now.
>Only Goku's instantaneous transportation technique can catch him
>They spend an arc searching for him and fighting him only to have him get away every time
>During this we have a fun adventure in the other universes
>Then of course Goku fucks his shit up eventually

>>140273602
Is at least confirmed that Flash can. It was the whole reason FLASHPOINT happened.

But i'm not sure Supes can outside Christopher Reeve movies.

>>140271302

They got rid of the strain parcially. They managed to control the SSJ transformation for not being "angry" while transformed and being able to stay at "0 ki" while transformed so they could control better the power and go further beyond a normal ssj. But when they fight at full power the stamina drain comes back.

It was a decent episode. This was a pretty big moment for them clearly yet the quality was still only decent, what a shitshow. Not to mention that half of the climax was them just screaming at each others, I was legit confused since I though Goku shot the wave and forced him to leap so he can go close combat (since he said now's my chance) and hit him but then he was apparently still firing the kamehameha? Was hard to tell since all you could see was closeups of faces screaming which cut to a big wave

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>Chi Chi knows how to drive
>They don't own a car
>They do have a nimbus
>Goku could fly Chi Chi
>Or use IT
>Or even teach Chi Chi to fly
This episode made no sense

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>>140273740

They said multiple times in Z and Super that your "power lvl" doesn't matter if your guard isn't up.

>>140272743
>confirmed for not having watched the episode
Hit stopped time for 0.2s, punched Goku dozens of times, went back to where he was before the time freeze and then time began to flow again.

>>140274559
>posting filler

>>140267507
no stupid than what DBZ is producing.

>>140274393
The Instantaneous Transportation was a technique used by a large population of funny aliens from random planet Yaddrat. How's that Goku is the only warrior in the fucking multiverse who bothered learning such a powerful move is beyond me.

Frieza's empire never noticed.
Bill. A fucking GOD never noticed appatently. Whis may be excused as he has his own ways to travel the universe in seconds.

>>140273912

They did that a lot of times during the Tournament saga...remember how we thought goku was going to turn SSJ against the bear?.

Your stupid manly supaheerows don't even are or dress as cute little girls. What's the fucking point of reading/watching this?

>>140274589
>Bill

>>140274621
kek

>>140266248
>I'm beyond your technique now
That was retarded, but I've got to admit, this episode was pretty hype.I genuinely enjoyed it.

There's one thing bothering me, though. Why did he keep his kaioken so long? He even talked freely after using that, shouldn't it only be in short bursts, and wearing his body down extremely? And we can still see him use the kaioken in the preview of next episode. I hope he won't be able to fight anymore once it wears down at least.

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>>140274621

>>140274616
Powerful little girls are great but sometimes is cool to habe some powerfull dudes bestong the shit out of each other and relate our manly inner beasts to it.

Same reason why people watches Box or the UFC.

>>140274710
>*beating the shit

>>140274667
DBZ has become a parody of itself. Pointless screaming, talking when the time is at essence etc. Old kaioken always meant business and fast because that shit strains you, but here nothing seems to matter and everything is so fucking anticlimatic

>>140274470
Goku can drive and owns a car in the manga.

Any webm of Goku's combo against Hit? That moment was hype as fuck.

>>140274667
I'm pretty sure it was originally "for a heartbeat" but its has always lasted at least a few seconds

>>140274710
>bestong
That's quite a manly word you invented right there. It's a compound of "best(ing)", "bestow", "strong" and "thong."

>>140274583
Obviously still fits what Toriyama is writing now

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>>140274817
This one?

Is Superman stronger than Goku or not?

Is Vegeta back to jobbing?

>Teen Gohan
>Isn't even a Teen in any version

>>140274560
no he stop time for 0.5 seconds

>>140267455
>>140267682
>>140269219

Even Batman's butler beated the living crap out of Superman and all he had to do was drink a power up drug. Even Yamcha could beat Clark

>>140274958
Adult Gohan is a teenager.

>>140274908

Yes! Thanks anon.

>>140274908
If only the animation still wasn't shit and everything wasn't so damn fucking shiny

Does Gohan still suck?

>>140274873
As always. Humanity's greatests achirvements come from an accident.

>>140274921
Some versions are, some aren't.

The main Universe one isn't.

>>140274999
I can post the webm's from the last thread if you missed it.
My upload speed is shit though

>>140275016
Animation has always been kind of flat and shit ever since cel animation died and everything is just drawn and colored on computers.

>>140275034

Oh do it!

>>140275030
Thanks.

Why did Screw Attack act like it was in general then?

>>140267266
>>140267219
>>140267047
>>140269382
>>140269659
>>140269899
>>140271432
>>140271461
>>140271813
I honestly couldn't care less if superman is a trillion times stronger than whoever, but holy shit, these are retarded. Do people actually read that?

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>>140275089

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I always get a giggle when DBfags actually think goku can destroy universes with a punch
pic related, an anime that actually destroys the universe with 2 peoples punches colliding

>>140274921
Superman is terribly written, he has plot powers that allow him to defeat anyone he has to. Also as >>140275030 said, it has multiple rewrites, which are not consistent with each other.

>>140275166

Question, is this also considered "bad animation"?

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>>140275166

>>140275184

A poket universe.

>>140275016
desu this episode had pretty normal animation. It was anything spectacular, but decent enough.

>>140275207
There hasn't been any episode of Super that is equal to Z levels of animation, so yes

>>140275207
it can work in small amounts but generally recycling couple of stills is considered lazy and bad, yes

>>140275151
Because they took his asspull plotpowers seriously, even though they shouldn't be. Superman will always be stronger than anyone, that's the point. All powerlevel discussions with him are dumb.
He's literally an unironic version of Saitama, which is sad.

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>>140275207
For DBS and by Toei standards this is good. But people will still complain.

Reminder that Goku almost died from heart disease and is completely vulnerable to poison

undercooked chicken could beat goku

>>140275295
to be fair I said animation, not drawing
And yes, some parts were bad, but the worst of Z is the best of Super

>>140275166
>>140275228
>>140275315

I'm downloading all of them, I love u anon.

>>140275295
This is literally the same frame always used to shit on Z. You could take any frame from Super and it would be worse

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>>140275315

>>140275315
>but people will still complain
you say that as if it wasn't justified

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>>140275375

>>140275379
>>140275315
>>140275166
Wow, this animation is actually kinda good. Color me surprised

>>140275408
Lots pretty good to me

>>140275184
>Posts fake pocket universe that both mechs needed to be at full power to destroy
>Goku and Beers do it casually with a few punches
Oh, you still TTGLfags.

Man, the animation in Dragonball Z was so much better and visually more pleasing. Not sure if it was the color palette or the shading that was done a lot better.

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>>140275379
>>140275361
You're welcome, I didn't make them though so you'll have to thank the anon that did.
>>140275388
It was and to some extent still is justifiable, but some people expect movie quality when that will never be the case.
Fuck captcha

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>>140275436

Compare

>>140275436
Yeah the hair looks just right.

>>140275502
So now we're comparing Z to Z instead of Z to Super? The point is that they're both better than Super

>>140270978
General relativity states that as you approach light speed, time FOR YOU slows down, while time for everything else travels at the same speed. That means if you are travelling near light speed, then everything else around you would appear to speed up in your reference frame. You would wind up many years in the future if you traveled lightspeed for just a split second of your own time.

The theory about going in circles is based around having a curvature in spacetime that acts in such a way that moving forward in space means moving backwards in time. In practice, it'd be moving away from a black hole while you're under its event horizon, because all directions that lead away from it at that point are directions that point backwards in time. If you were to have another massive acceleration aiding you out of the event horizon, say another black hole nearby, you would be able to leave the event horizon with that gravity assist but also move backwards in time while doing so. The space you travel through when you do that curves inward toward the black hole, so your trajectory would be curved in normal space as you move backwards in time. Moving really fast in a circle is just a simplification of this motion, but the curving motion happens through a direction in time, not just in space, so just high-speed motion through space isn't gonna cut it when you're speaking about relativity effects.

Sage for /sci/ posting.

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>>140275471
This is the last one that anon in the previous thread posted, I think I have a couple more from last thread but I have no idea what they are.

>>140275470
I think it's mostly shading. They are so shiny here for some reason.

There was a pic of goku and vegeta with a scene from dbz with shading making it look like dbs, or the other way around. Does anyone have it?

>>140275451
>fake pocket universe
>because i said so
>w-what do you mean the creator officially said TTGL creates the universe within itsself
>"pocket universe"
>trillions of lightyears wide

DBZ samefags everyone
http://www.japanator.com/the-secrets-of-gurren-lagann-answered--6714.phtml

>Could TTGL exist in normal space?
TTGL could exist in normal space as it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.

>>140275574
>TTGL could exist in normal space as it creates the Super Spiral Space within itself.

Wait wait...wasn't the place where the TTGL fought created by the antispiral?

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>>140275451
>Powerlevels having limits
>In TTGL
>By the end of lagann hen

come on now.

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>>140275553

>>140267266
>The end of the infinite book
So it's not infinite then.

>>140275184
>2 people
Reminder that STTGL was conceived by the entire Dai-Gurren brigade minus Kamina and Kittan but with additional help from Lord Genome, and therefore hardly counts as one person.

>>140275574
>because i said so
No, because that's what happens.

I hope you aren't implying that I haven't read all of the interviews about that shit show. I've been an /m/fag since before you even heard of Eva. TTGL's fight with the antispiral happened in a fake universe. Even if it can create the pocket dimension within itself to exist, all of it's happened in the pocket dimension where literally no rules applied. It was lightyears in size, and yet normal humans could perceive it's fight. They grabbed galaxies like they were solid objects and not mostly empty space. It simply was no the real universe, and even if it were, Goku can already destroy entire universes with his fists. STTGL has absolutely no chance against Goku.

>>140275708
Again, fake dimension where physics don't exist. If they were that big and moving that fast, how did all the people Kamina city watch their fight?

>>140274583
Ok? It was mentioned again during the Freeza movie which had heavy involvement from the Bird Man

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>>140275681
By that point in both the series and movie both the antispiral and team dai-gurren are more or less omnipotent.

and not in a DB muh punches 'destroy' the universe way either. an actual, demonstratable, applicable way, that we actually see
>stupidly motherfucking FTL speedfeats (see >>140275708)
>probability alteration
>demonstrably, actually destroying the universe with punches
>then recreating it
>destroying the entire dimension after fistfighting an avatar of an omnipotent race
>creating the universe the antispiral created (and had 'complete' control over within themselves.

EOS TTGL is stupid tier.

>>140275574
Not him but Goku destroying a universe with a punch is actualy backed by the fact that he literally punched an amount of energy superior to the universe ungulfing explosion that Beerus nullified. This was also at base form after he absorbed the SSJG power for himself. You are accusing him of the same thing you are doing since TTGL hasn't destroyed a normal universe either.

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>post yfw the King of Cabba's planet is Broly

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I miss the original art style