HOW CAN ANIME IMPROVE ITS STORIES?

finished the first episode
it's gonna be spies are gary stu level or "do nothing wrong" and normal guy will get fucked/short end of stick/job/etc every time?
spy propaganda the anime?

>>140062689
>Production I.G
>Not making Nationalist anime

Ghost in the shell, Library War, Patlabor, Psycho-Pass.

>>140062689
Humility in Japanese culture is for the Japanese to show to each other, never the outside world.

>accuracy
>anime

>>140062931
Meanwhile America sits in a stew of humility and shame while proclaiming it's the best.
America is the equivalent of a fat bitch whining and complaining about her disabilities that she could fix herself but instead acts high and mighty and judgmental towards everyone else.

Sorry, nothing against the individuals generally, but the whole fucking disgusts me.

>>140063069
A lot of America is asleep at the moment so I wouldn't worry too much.

Last anime that gave me an iffy revisionist feeling like this was Night Raid 1931.

>>140062689
Almost as autistic as that ANN reviewer who got triggered by 1937 Japan.

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>>140062689
The sooner they adopt and adapt my web novel, the sooner it will be.

>>140062689
How does any of this detract from Japan having a really small spy agency in the '30s?

They should adapt Keit-ai. It has an OST and everything already.

OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfdfinG_P8
ED1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXDNGS9V4Us
ED2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4DyTjrruVo
PV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
EP 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k

>>140062723
Not until they say they're sorry.

>>140063278
Link it to us so we can laugh at you

>>140062904
Eden of the East too? Was that IG?

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>>140062689

At the moment, they could improve their perception.

>Harem and cute girls are over-saturating mainstream shows.

>>140063390
That it was.

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>>140063368
http://ncode.syosetu.com/n6701cx/

>>140063486
Fucking moonrunes.

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>>140062890
Watch the second episode, maybe?

>>140062890
>Watch the first episode
>Leave clueless to what the show will be about, but just jump to assumptions when the second episode is readily available the same way you got the first episode

Gee anon, what should you do?

>>140063591
>when the second episode is readily available the same way you got the first episode
That's assuming too much of modern /a/.
They very well have waited a week for it to be freely streamed on CR.

>>140063636
I actually want to believe it's all bait at this point, somebody was asking "why does Kanaberi only has one episode"

>>140062689
its a show about a very small group of jap spies, who are trained knowing the rest of the jap army is absolutely terrible at the intelligence game. as good as they are, they're not going to be single handedly saving japan and I don't think thats the point of the show.

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>>140063486
>http://ncode.syosetu.com/n6701cx/

>>140062689
The conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbor is that the US let it happen so it could have a reason to enter the war against the Axis and defeat Germany. First time I hear about Churchill and Stalin fooling the US, but I guess it is better than realizing the US has a long history of being attacked right before committing to a war.

Intelligence in general was a major Japanese weakness, because as an isolated and xenophobic culture, the Japanese had no tradition of ascertaining the capabilities, tactics, and strategic objectives of enemies who were not Japanese, instead, they simply assumed the enemy would obligingly show up and then he would be beaten.

This conceit later bit them in the ass hard as the USN kept outmaneuvering and deceiving them. Though the IJN were obsessed with outranging their enemies (leading to the Zero fighter and the "Long Lance" torpedo, they failed to properly grasp the value of reconnaissance and intelligence. Superior range not only requires superior speed (which the IJN consistently recognized and achieved) it also requires superior knowledge of your opponent's location and intentions (which the IJN consistently failed to recognize or achieve).

Their easy early victories against the poorly led and disorganized Chinese and Allies in Southeast Asia seemed to validate this belief, but later this fucked them over with the IJN being repeatedly outmaneuvered and led into traps by the USN (Midway being the most disastrous example) because they had no idea where the Americans were or what they were doing, while the Americans had broken their codes and were reading all their communications. Japanese battle plans were often overly complex and relied too heavily on the enemy doing exactly what the Japanese expected them to do, while the Americans knew exactly what that was because they were reading Japanese transmissions.

The only thing the Japanese secret police were any good at was rounding up and executing Chinese people en masse, such as in the Sook Ching massacre.

isn't the whole premise of the story that d-agency was created precisely because Japan was so behind

they explicitly mention how Japan got cucked in negotiations because leaks everywhere

and Production IG isn't the party to blame for any inaccuracies - Joker Game is an adaptation of a successful novel, no? Or am I mistaken?

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So is this a Joker Game thread.

>>140063997
>Thread has a picture of Joker Game
>Thread is discussing Joker Game
>Is this a thread about Joker Game?
Somebody's drawing the joker card.

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>>140064042
With the title that say
>HOW CAN ANIME IMPROVE ITS STORIES?
I could never be too sure.

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While I liked the warranted change in MC's attitude, I feel like him figuring all of that stuff out in episode 2 was a bit too sudden. I figure it's to show he also has the ability to be a spy, but I wish it wasn't shoved in my face like that.

That said, I still look forward to more of his morale degeneration thanks to his exposure to those dirty spies.

>>140064090
I was under the impression it was a shitposting thread at first.

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Oh, right, any request for webm, stitches, or transparents?

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I don't get why everyone is so hung-up about it, do you also sperg about french nationalism when reading the 3 Musketeers and Russian nationalism when reading War and Peace?

>>140064241
Nobody on /a/ reads books, so no.

>>140064241
It really doesn't matter at all, just like most of the things people get fake-angry about in anime. They just cling to a few stock points to complain about because these are established lines of thought that they know will get the responses.

>>140064319
You should read the 3 Musketeers though. It's pretty good.

>>140064396
I've actually read both of them, but it was so long ago I can barely remember the plot. I do remember finding Tolstoy's epilogue tedious.

>>140064204
Are these kids all going to get firebombed by Curtis LeMay?

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>>140063513
Unfortunately, it doesn't do well because my "seinen, amnesic shounen dealing with changes during his 2 year disappearance and genesis-related scientific experiment done to him" story can't compete with the current theme of fantasy, reincarnation, and fan-service emphasized web novel trend.

>inb4 deus ex machinas and phones

>>140064572
How long have you been learning Japanese for until you started writing this and how would you rate your writing?

Hollywood is filled with American nationalist and pro-war movies.

>>140063930
Actually, the problem with the IJN is not that they were racially inferior, the problem was that they focuses on HATAK, HATAK, HATAK to the detriment of everything else.

The reliance on the Mahanian doctrine of that one, big decisive battle was focuses on to the detriment of submarine operations, merchant shipping and indeed intelligence.

The only knowledge I have about japan during WWII was them during reconnaissance before the invasion Thailand. Apparently neither British nor Japanese spies could keep their. Or maybe they didn't care and just openly collected intel?

The British certain didn't care much about the info the got and ignored most warning signs of an invasion of Thailand that would jeopardize their position in the malays and burma.

Japanese intel did end up dodgy for the actual invasion and they ate more shit than they though they would against a third rate military.

>>140062689
>HOW CAN ANIME IMPROVE ITS STORIES?

The same way American Cartoons can improve their humour.

>>140064241
Depends on how they are expressing that nationalism. I have no doubt Japan has much to be proud of like establishing a booming democracy during the 50s.

If your expression of nationalism is worshipping a oppressive, military regime which blundered into a war with the world's greatest industrial power and got wrecked for it then yeah I'd be hung up (more like laughing) about it. You are literally celebrating the massive, systematic anal wrecking of your country politically and militarily while to my guess opposing a very similar system to the one which once plagued your country.

>>140065096
Hire foreigners?

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>>140064893
Have been learning since 2011, did several fan translation henceforth.
7/10 still not confident in language, but overly confident in plot.

>>140062689
Ah, I see. So this is traditional Japanese spycraft.

>>140063930
>>140065077
Funny how Nips popularize their espionage way through Shinobi/Ninja when in the reality they suck ass.

>>140063952
Yes, it's an adaptation of a novel.

>>140066524
Well Midway happened because the US suspected the Japanese were planning an attack, had their radio guys telegraph that one of their ships's water evaporators had broken down, and intercepted a signal from the Japanese repeating that information, verifying that Japan sought to attack Midway

From there it was child's play to lie in ambush and completely wreck the Japanese

It's a shame, because the IJN was in many regards brilliant(see their torpedo firing tactics), but the high command was rather rigid in their thinking

>>140065225
Do you actually have any readers from nippon?

>>140062904
>Patlabor
YAPOSHKI! NYET! URA!

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>>140062904
>Psycho Pass
>Nationalist
Yeah that show where the Japanese are portrayed as mindless sheep, the MC gets cucked, and the cool ass Western Literature Loving villain that gets all the great scenes sure is nationalist

...Are you fucking retarded?

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I like the last scene of the soldiers marching by him while he is following the spy general.
It's pretty obvious but still a great metaphore and pictures like these can't be found that often in anime

Freedom betrayed

>>140067436
I hope he come back, he's hilarious.

>>140067209
>It's a shame, because the IJN was in many regards brilliant(see their torpedo firing tactics), but the high command was rather rigid in their thinking

Because Nips value over seniority rather capability, even in these days.

Strategic and smart suggestion from low-rank will always be disregard as an intelligence insult for the high rank.

>>140065225
Do you formulate it in you own laguage and translate that into Japanese or is it in Japanese right off the bat?

>>140067209
>but the high command was rather rigid in their thinking
That's the most upsetting thing when reading through Captain Hara's book about his action during WWII. None of the high ranking officers even bother to ask for advice from Hara despite his well recorded performance.

>>140067464
>seniority rather *than capability
a little bit typo here

>>140064491
No they're going to be told they're freedom fighters and form a band of young boy soldiers who'll go out and die in vain for their country.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekketsu_Kinn%C5%8Dtai

>>140062689
>>140063424
What is with these images with archive links recently?

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>>140066524
Oh they do suck alright.

>>140067328
That idiot listed GITS. How can you take him seriously?

>>140063912
>but I guess it is better than realizing the US has a long history of being attacked right before committing to a war.

Yeah.

>Mexican-American war
>Spanish-American war
>WW1
>WW2
>Vietnam war
>War of Afghanistan

>>140062904
>Library War
What was so nationalist about that?

>>140068119
It's almost as if getting attacked causes them to enter the war or something.

>>140062689
Did you even watch the fucking show before posting your "clever" image? First, Japans inferiority in terms of espionage was even mentioned in the show as the reason for why the spy programm was developed. Second it was stated right at the beginning that the show is not supposed to be historically accurate, but is only losely based on the WW2 setting.

>>140068168
And who attacked them in the Vietnam War?

>>140064426
War and Peace was positively a chore because it was mandatory school reading.

>>140068144
Learn how to spot retards, anon.

>>140068168
Half of those were though highly suspicious (Mexican, Spanish and Nam). For the Mexican war they pretended the attack happened on American soil when it was on Mexican. Blowing up of the American ship in port in Cuba was in no way connected to Spain either and Gulf of Tonkin as far as I remember it was just plain false flag. WW1 and WW2 get way more debatable since they were basically just baiting to be attacked by dealing with the entente/allies.

>>140067222
OFC. From where do you think I acquaintanced with a Host from Osaka?

>>140067475
The earlier. Which is why I said I'm not confident with my Nipponese.

>>140064572
>seinen, amnesic shounen dealing with changes during his 2 year disappearance and genesis-related scientific experiment done to him
So, Kamen Rider Faiz from Yuji's standpoint?

>>140068200
The OP probably didn't even watch the show, just read the episode summary. What did you expect.

>>140068343
Would you mind posting some of your stuff in english ?

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>>140062689
Fucking dumbass has seem to forgotten that it's historical fiction based on a novel

>>140068347
Not a fokufag, can't confirm.

>>140068600
first chapter: http://anssenverse.blogspot.com/2016/04/allblck-nous-first-part.html
second chapter: http://anssenverse.blogspot.com/2016/04/allblck-nous-second-part.html

>giving an opinion on something without even watching 1 episode of the show

In what way is Joker Game a Japan dindu nuffin wrong propaganda? They literally shit all over on Imperial Japan in the first episode.

The D-Agency spies are a different breed who don't have any nationalism and are expected to betray their home country if they're captured.

>>140070067
So this is anime about How-To-Do-Espionage to point out Japanese How-Not-To-Do-Espionage in the past ?

>>140070485
At the very least, that's way closer than what the others in this thread are thinking Joker game is.

>>140062689
But they fucking state that in the first ten minutes of the first fucking episode. It's the reason why the spy division is entirely experimental and thus tiny, understaffed, severely lacking in budget and on the verge of getting disbanded before even getting a chance to provide any results.

I bet those japs think the Holocaust happened as well.

>>140064241
I'm pretty sure it's because during WWII the japs were absolutely retarded but still think they're smart or honorable or something

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I hate to get all armchair and fedora but speaking of spies, it reminds me of Ian Fleming and John le Carre. They both crafted their works, James Bond, and le Carre's various of novels, especially the George Smiley ones, with the subtext(or often, in le Carre's case, a main element of the story) as a response to the UK being pushed as an accessory to the US and the Soviet Union's new paradigm.

Bond gets to be the new vanguard of the empire, thwarting communist plots while the US plays second fiddle, and often in the movies, there's a British delegation that acts to keep US/USSR diplomatic tensions from escalating.

John le Carre's is much more grounded and obviously less glamorous, but deals with the issue less passively.

To an extent, this theme of perceived ultranationalism and militarization in contemporary manga and anime feels like a delayed response to series crafted by the generation of mangaka that lived during or even participated in the war, which weren't afraid to show their distaste for the military, particularly the political faction that false-flagged skirmishes to setup invasions and arrested people for dissent, as well as the institutionalized Japanese political entities in general(see Tezuka and any of his series that involve doctors). A lot of the most enduring heroes of this time are much more metropolitan and internationally inclined(e.g. Golgo 13, Lupin III).

Obviously it's not like it's the first time you've seen this stuff in all the decades of anime, but it definitely feels denser? Or more prolific? Less benign than series where "there is some big world shaking event happening and Japan is leading the charge."

>>140069129
what a cute avatar

>>140075183
Good post nice to see I'm not the only one who picked up on the Le Carre vibes