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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

Previous Thread:
>>139722796
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I know I'm not perfect at giving my body what it needs to refuel after a run. Recognizing my bad habits has helped me pay more attention to what I eat. I have been known to rush through my day without making nutrition a priority, so I work hard to prepare healthy snacks in advance of my runs and while the kids are at school.
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Reminder that you should read an article from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/ every day.
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死ね
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>>139752511
Does it have a romaji option?
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>>139752577
Check out the "learn kana" option.
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>>139752511
You should take the extra step and read the full article after fully comprehending the easy version especially if you're doing core for obvious reasons
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>>139752612
Does it have a pinyin option? I accidentally learnt the pinyins and don't want to waste time learning all the romanjis now.
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>>139752664
Good idea. I never thought to do that.
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>>139752743
Yeah reading the easy version will let give you the gist of the article so the hard version will be simpler too esp with rikai

nhk news is easy esp. if you do core so there's no reason not to step outside dat moege bubble and read some news
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>エールを送る
well that definitely wasn't what I initially thought
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>>139753342
そのLを持ってくれる
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I have notised that some kanji are pronounsed the same (onyomy) if they include a same element in it. Is there a table or reference on kanji groupped by reading by this rule. Remembering some will helped a lor memorizing some readings in vocabulary?
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Is なまえ a loanword? Looks like the word "name" to me.
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>>139753418
http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
Reading through that page might help to put it in a little perspective, just keep this one line in mind:
>The phonetic sets in Chinese, though still useful, are two thousand years out of date. It's as if my yingzi phonetics had to rhyme in Proto-Germanic, not in modern English.
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>>139753418
http://namakajiri.net/nikki/testing-the-power-of-phonetic-components-in-japanese-kanji/
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>>139754741
>damn
>name

How?

And no it isn't. Just look at the word in kanji and you'll figure out it's a simple coincidence.
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>>139754856
>namae
>name
>both mean the same

They are stupidly similar. Surely it's a loanword.
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今日も楽しませてね可愛い子ちゃんたち
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>>139754741
I'm pretty confident that it is.
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DJT

Daily 名前 thread #1497


Previous Thread:
>>139722796 (Cross-thread)
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>真実
>ふりがなは「ほんとうのこと」だ
どうして
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>>139756363
>齣劔
>ありぷぞは「えろぴいゐきや」や
すゑぱし
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>>139754928

https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=pseudo-cognates
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>>139756594

Never mind, couldn't remember the official term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_cognate
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>>139756594
Cognates and loanwords equals the same? Not. They are different through going into the vocabulary, and the second one is essentialy not the first one.
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>>139754741
Do you really think that the Japanese had no word for "name" until the 1600s?
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Sometimes I feel like I am losing interest in Japanese content. I look at the new shows airing at the beginning of a season and barely any of them seem interesting. But the other day I watched the entire Grimgar season in one day, and yesterday I watched all of Boku dake ga Inai Machi. I absolutely loved both of them. I think I'm just worrying over nothing.
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>>139757359
You should worry about having such bad taste.
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>>139757359
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>>139757255
The colonization of Japan didn't happen before the 1700s actually.
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>>139757359
>I look at the new shows airing at the beginning of a season and barely any of them seem interesting

that's not your fault, most of the new anime nowadays literally are just generic garbage churned out of the horses ass. there's always a few good anime as well though, you just gotta have a good eye to find it.
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もしdjtがいなくなればみんな(You)どこに移り住むのだろうか

>>139756363
歌学の科学かな

>>139756549
文字作りごっこ遊びだよね
別の世界から来た文字だよね

中二病・・・だよね

>>139757255
>>139757750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfRr1Rcu5fw
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>>139757958
ゐぱし和中二病者でをざるゐまんねん「だよね」ぞい。
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>>139757890
>most of the new anime nowadays literally are just generic garbage
If he liked the anime he mentioned it seems like this shouldn't be a problem for him.
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>>139757890
Bullshit. You have nostalgia goggles on.
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>>139758361
ゴメン ワタシ チキュジン ケイサンデキマセン
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>>139758578
"Nostalgia goggles" is the stupidest fucking normie meme ever. Are you seriously claiming that nothing ever changes?
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>>139758537
well meme'd but grimgar and erased aren't generic by any means. i'm sure you enjoyed them both but you're only feigning otherwise because other people liked them.

>>139758578
how? i don't like old anime, and i also mentioned in my post that there are some good shows every season as well, it's just that the majority of them are generic garbage. you cant deny that so don't even try.
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>>139757750
Japan was never colonised, you historical illiterate. Japan's first contact with an English-speaking nation was in the early 1600s.
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>>139759016
>i don't like old anime
>but i don't like new anime either
So you don't like anime? Why give an opinion about it?
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>>139759055
>and i also mentioned in my post that there are some good shows every season as well

fuck off with your strawman.
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>>139758578

Not him, I thought Grimgar was pretty ass. I dropped it at ep 4(?) when a character death was really poorly handled. But seeing that the current state of anime is not superb does not mean you have nostalgia goggles on. The stuff of yesteryear was ass as well, '90s-fags only remember the Berserks and Evas and Slayers and forget all the garbage. Anime's golden age was '06-'13 or so; right now the anime scene is polluted with LN schlock. Magical school, faux-harem, chuunishit, dragged-into-an-alternate-world, only-guy-in-a-girls-school-that-just-went-co-ed-or-some-shit, and CGshit are all becoming common genres and with few exceptions the are all trash. There are still a few good shows most seasons, but percentage-wise fewer than in the last few years, IMO.
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>>139759118
>there's some good shows, and the rest is meh
So like literally always? Jesus you're retarded. I recommend killing yourself.
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>>139759156
grimgar was ass also everything was better when you were younger regardless of how shit they actually are
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>>139759156
Grimgar and ERASED are both pretty bad.
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>>139759156
I disagree. 2015 was a great year with several giants, and this year is looking pretty strong too (especially this season). Oh and 2017 of course has Fate/extra and other stuff.

New anime are great and I say this as someone who has been watching for almost a decade, you probably lost interest in anime over the years.
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>>139759284
What were the best shows of last season then?
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>>139759363
theres more anime now every season than back then so that means theres more shit

also fate fags lol
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>>139759171
>So like literally always?

that's pretty much what i was saying in my first post so yeah. this >>139757359 anon was saying he felt like he was losing interest in anime and i simply told him that its not that hes losing interest, its that the majority of the shows are garbage.

if you aren't going to follow the conversation then don't bother replying retard lmao.
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>>139759363
actually i just realized you said "almost a decade"

that means you werent even watching anime before 2006 so your opinion is actually bunk as shit among your peers here i think
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>>139759430
>>139759499
Here's your (You)

>>139759455
>told him that its not that hes losing interest, its that the majority of the shows are garbage.
But that's wrong you braindead retard. It's the SAME. He IS losing interest.
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>>139759367
Not that guy, but Shouwa Genroku and KonaSuba. Erased was pretty good though the ending was disappointing.
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>>139759243

Not true. Like I think the music scene of today is better than when I was younger. Soundcloud and Bandcamp and stuff have made it much easier for aspiring musicians to get their music out to the public and there is a near-endless supply of good music coming out for whatever genre you're into. I just don't think the same for anime. I concur with >>139758895, "Nostalgia goggles" is a retarded phrase that present-worshippers shit out for no reason. Just because someone has a negative opinion of something in the present does not mean that they are automatically wrong.

That being said I am going to stop replying now because this clearly no longer has anything to do with learning Japanese.

Galko-chan AOTY
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“友達も家族も皆死んでしまっています。”
All family friends died, is this right? It's from a sentence pack so no context.
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>>139759583
Ya, the last two episodes were a little weak. KonoSuba was good, but I prefer more serious plots over comedy, so I ranked it lower. Shouwa Genroku looks good, I think I will watch it next.
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Check out what I found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9pyaEr067s
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>>139759583
rakugo is dope konosuba is garbage erassed threw out the manga and wasnt good anyway

haruchika was the best the author has a unique voice and it came through in the anime completely

>>139759606
music industry has completely changed in the last 20 years in ways no one would have expected. anime industry has not

its no surprise that you have that opinion but what does that have to do with liking what is now old music and anime because you were younger back then when it wasnt old

>>139759866
break sentence down into individual parts and explain to me how you understand them as they relate to each other
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Thanks a lot to the anon(s) who have been adding all these great comments and suggestions to the guide.

I'll get around to going through all of it on the weekend and the coming week, for now, you have my gratitude.
A lot of it.
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>>139760047
Bad taste.
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>>139759866
What do you think the もs mean?
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>>139759866
Family and friends are all dead.

If it's not specified, it implies its the speaker's family and friends
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>>139760576
your fave anime sucks
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>>139760476
You seem to be really into Kill me Baby. What do you like so much about it? I can decently into 4koma, but it didn't grab me when I tired a few chapters.
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>>139760605
kek
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What word is the most fun for you to say? I like 正真正銘.
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What do you call a 'season' as far as TV programs are concerned?

I don't mean "I wish they'd make a third season of S&W", I mean more the meaning of "The new anime season is starting".
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>>139761081
小学生の中出し
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>>139761081
自動販売機
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>>139761215
Season? People literally call it fall/winter/summer/spring season.
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>>139761340

I think he means in nihongo.
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>>139759933
>that womanly voice
Is that him doing it or is there a chick with him there?
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>>139761081
自閉症

文で使ってた http://loopthetube.com/#TOB-TKNVbJA&start=457.7&end=458.9
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>>139761081
自業自得
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Is there a site where I can talk to anime girls?
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>>139761743
i usually write like one here you can talk to me onii chan
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>>139761743
I'm one what do you need?
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>>139761767
I don't really like being an 鬼いちゃん.
>>139761779
セックス
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>>139761743
H-hello...
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>>139761649
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>>139761340

I don't think you got what I'm asking.

If I want to say "The new anime season is starting" I can't just say "アニメの新季節が始まっている"

I want the word you'd use in place of 新季節
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>>139761944
シーズン
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>>139761867
Answer me.
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How much reading do you do daily?
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>>139760997
Yeah, Kill Me Baby is my favorite anime/manga of all time (close second is Joshiraku).

I like dark humor and cute things, and kill me baby delivers a wonderful combination of this. You've got these two cute characters, who constantly run into all kinds of situations, which usually end up with someone getting hurt and a fun amount of cynicism. It's like slapstick, but a bit more dark and with cute as fuck characters.

There's a scene in which Yasuna wants to go catch some rare flat snake in the mountains and has a hammer amongst her equipment, Sonya asks what the hammer is for and Yasuna answers "見つけなかったらそれで適当なヘビを" with this hilarious expression and voice.
I'd say it's one of the best examples of what I like about the series.

Not to mention the low-budget-esque atmosphere of the anime which blends in perfectly with the content. And the dancing at the end.
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>>139761944
新番組タイム

こんな風に書きたいなら英語の用語でそのまま考えて進んでいく
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>>139763106
Thank you for answering. It's interesting because I do like dark humor but didn't really get that vibe in a sufficient quantity from what I did read. However, the situation you mention does sound great. I might as well give it a second chance, perhaps starting by the anime this time.
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にほんのふしぎ

503円の買い物をしたときは
1003円出して500円のお釣りをもらう
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>>139763653
I also watched the anime first, I like the manga just as much, but it does have a different feel to it compared to the anime.

Also, if you like dark humor you should watch rick and mortyno seriously, it's one of my favorite non-anime things I've ever watched
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>>139763736
俺はね 財布から持ち出すのは福澤さんだけ持っているよ
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you fags really remake your thread after i called out your fucking lack of anything related to hiragana?
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>>139764176
万札を福沢ってよぶのってどこ?

あたしのちいきでは諭吉ってよぶんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
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>>139764375
Eat a dick, homo.
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If anyone else aspires to make a LOGH deck, skip the most 50-100 common words holy fuck what a blunder. They're all SO common.
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>>139764451
im no homo
i just like girls who look like 12 year old boys
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>>139763106
So she's suggesting that she'll flatten a snake out if she has to?
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>>139764375
reddit has a really good resource for learning hiragana, you should check it out.
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>>139764854
Basically.
She's suggesting that if she doesn't find the flat snake, she could just make one with the hammer.
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>>139764441
敬語とか言いたかった
どこにも誰も言われてない多分

とにかく俺は超お金持ちだぞ
おほほほほー

>>139763106
what better way to mask the fact your show is low budget by being low budget ironically
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>和光同塵
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>>139765359
>mingling with the world by hiding one's true talent or knowledge
why does this sound so funny
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>>139760476
I hope you realise that everytime you post you attach one of a small pool of KMB images in order for identity recognition. This is called avatarfagging.
Thanks for continually treating the thread like a circlejerk.

The old guide is still better than the current one and there no need to recommend anything else.
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>>139766149
kill yourself outsider
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>>139766149
Fuck off ESL.
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>>139766149
>look at me, i'm a sad cunt
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>>139766149
I hope you realise that everytime you post you write dumb ass shit in order for identity recognition. This is called being a gay bitch.
Thanks for continually treating the thread like a circlejerk, biotch.
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Acting like defensive children isn't doing a whole lot for the situation. Enjoy the cirlcejerk.
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>>139766324
Suck my cock.
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>>139766324
No, seriously, kill yourself
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>>139766324
get in the middle and get showered on bitch
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>>139766149
>I hope you realise that everytime you post you attach one of a small pool of KMB images in order for identity recognition. This is called avatarfagging
I'm aware of that.

I'm already perfectly identifiable by the content of my posts discussing the guide, I might just as well attach a cute image to it.
It's also not that tiny of a pool (about 500 images total), it's just that most of them don't seem that fitting since they're either more action-packed scenes, or aren't as well drawn or cute as others.

In regards to your comment regarding the new vs. old guide, I beg to differ.

http://strawpoll.me/7225078/r
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>>139766386
Fuck off avatarfag.
Stop treating 4chan like a fucking forum.
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>>139766386
youre just as fucking gay as that dude honestly also heres a straw pole suck that shit

seriously no one cares about a straw poll or your useless guide
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>>139766386
>http://strawpoll.me/7225078/r
Watch him bot it to hell now.
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>>139766431
>>139766460
I really don't think that there's any need to be this angry.

Feel free to send me an email if you actually want to discuss something rather than throwing insults at me.

While you're at it, see the attached screenshot. You're free to make your own guide.
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>>139766386
Every time you respond to the aus/brit flamer responding to you he's going to feel fulfilled
Let the rest of people shit all over his first response so you don't have to say anything
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>>139766386
http://www.strawpoll.me/7308823
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>watching anime, one episode after the other, for 5 hours straight now
>still haven`t done my reps
I-I`ll be fine, right?
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>>139766553
stop responding..
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>>139766676
Sorry anon, I have no choice to vote 2 because I'm literally the gayest person I know, between all the trannies and lesbians and faggots and closets, I am the most of a fag.
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>>139766553
i dont wanna make a guide i just wanna flame bitches and have goofy awkward nihongo exchanges also not mad at all its not like that
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>>139766553
All you did was make negative changes to a guide someone else did in order to try and take credit for something you didn't do.

>>139766568
It's called legitimate criticism.
The fact that the generalfags sperged out like bees defending a hive illustrates the problem more than anything else could.

>>139766715
How about you stop trying to enforce a hivemind?
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>>139766721
そうか
おはようアノンくん
おげんきですか
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Friendly reminder that the anti-guide autist and ""jamal"" are both the same person, the anti-general autist. There's a reason these posters are so obsessive with the threads recently.
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>>139766768
>in order to try and take credit for something you didn't do.
C'mon. It's obvious that no matter the outcome may have been he was trying to improve the guide.
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>>139766768
dude ur so butthurt calm down lol
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>>139766831
This is how you are acting right now, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7ug_qp_y5g

>>139766864
>he was trying to improve the guide
He was trying to imprint his ego on it, hence the unnecessary changes. When it was brought up a little while ago, anons posted their criticisms and he completely fucking flipped out trying to defend the changes. The rest of the people defending it don't care, they just want to defend their general, like bees.

>>139766927
I'm not at all. You don't have to be "butthurt" to raise criticism. Sounds like you are projecting here.
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>>139766831
Just an impartial observer here, but all I see is people arguing over whether or not it's ok to be an avatarfag.
Not any of that other stuff that it looks like you're trying to build a strawman out of.

Being an avatarfag is almost never ok.
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>>139766777
ナイス ディジツ
でも、あんたがじぶんの排泄物をたべられる
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>>139766710
You're a fucking bum. You'd have done them by now if you had only given that shit 5 mins between each episode.
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>>139767002
>he completely fucking flipped out trying to defend the changes.
The only thing I remember like that is refusing to recommend Wanikani which is a decision I support because Wanikani is cancerous garbage designed to suck out people's money, not teach effectively.
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>>139766768
The irony is you are sperging hard as fuck right now.
And you don't even see it. Hilarious, yet a little sad.
Do you even study Japanese? Be honest.
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Is Sakura at it again?
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>>139767002
no really take a chill pill cuz yo butt is on fire right now lol
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>>139719699 just so yall know

>>139766777
おはよう
息子は元気ですよ
本人はジャスト・オール・ライト

>>139766927
+1

>>139766831
youd bee surprised actually

>>139767079
why dont you こすくらえ dude lol
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>>139767253
>息子は元気ですよ

奥さんの息子ですか?
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>>139767164
I hate it when some autist gets associated with a cute girl and ruins the girl for the thread.
It happened with Maki too.
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While the average standalone thread is low-quality, the weekly questions thread on reddit is surprisingly good.
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>>139767508
reddit in general is pretty decent if you avoid the mega big subreddits / front page
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>>139767508
>reddit
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>>139767583
Why don't you go there then?
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>>139767693
what do you mean "back"? it's 2016, you can have multiple tabs at once in case you didn't know dumbo.
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>>139767693
I have it up in another tab bruh
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>>139767752
>>139767755
The Reddit hivemind sure is scary.
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>>139767403
いやよ
もう一人の俺だよ
小さくて強くて
股間に繋がって

>>139767508
its true i havent seen a good question all week im pretty sure no one here even cares about japanese

its prolly better to ask any real questions on reddit or lang8 or even the int thread anyway
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>>139767583
>>139767752
>>139767755
The site itself is garbage, regardless of the people who use it. That's why we don't like it and why we make fun of people who use it, because anyone who can stand to use such a dumb site can only be a piece of shit.
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>>139767849
as a bonus when that one dude has a meltdown he might copy and paste one of your posts into one of these very threads
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>>139767847
does anyone else hate reddit? hehe do I fit in yet

>>139767871
>we
it's pretty easy to use, you sound tech-retarded
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>>139767871
Nah. Saves me the effort of finding a ton of proboards or whatever for subjects. Just sub and done.
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>>139767960
Yup that's it you got me.

That entire post was just saying "I think reddit is so hard to use"
10/10 reading comprehension
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>>139767871
>we
お前は4ちゃんですか?
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>>139767960
>does anyone else
No, you don't fit in yet.
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>>139767960
>>139767986
I thought people on 4chan were more knowledgeable of the controversy so I didn't think I had to say it.

What I meant by "garbage" was obviously referring to the fact that the concept of internet voting and popularity based discussion ordering is fucking retarded.
That's the problem with it. That's the basis for the hate of reddit on 4chan.

>>139768040
そうですよ
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>>139768174
I don't mind it too much because smaller subs only get like 10-20 comments per post and I read all of them regardless of votes.
>That's the basis for the hate of reddit on 4chan.
Nah. Those on 4chan tend to hate other websites because 4chan is le internet hate machine.
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>>139768040
あのフォアーちゃんではないが俺はにっぽんでやんす

>>139768174
just because youre posting on 4chan doesnt mean you post better than the worst redditor just saying dude dont like it shape up
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>>139768174
it's only retarded if you use it for politics or something, if you're on a small subreddit votes don't really matter and pretty much any new thread is visible

hence the "avoid big subreddits", reading comprehension
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おはよう/djt/ファムぱいたち。
お前たちは馬鹿です。
それが言いたいだけ。
じゃあ
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>>139768292
Your post just tells me you understood absolutely nothing I've said.

My whole point was to say that people who think hating reddit is based on the "post quality" or the people using it is wrong.
It's a part of it, but not the main underlying cause of it.
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>>139768378
Yeah the main underlying cause is a good portion of 4chan being butthurt haters.
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>>139768174
That may be why YOU hate Reddit, but there's more to it.
I don't know about other boards, cause I know for damn sure that the majority of people on the bigger ones are ex-Redditors and throw the word around like /a/ does for /v/, but one of the main reasons /a/ and Reddit don't get along is because of their views on piracy, ロリ, and 3D.
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>>139768378
I don't disagree, but in small subreddits the amount of voting tends to be small and most comments end up being presented equally anyway. And in many threads comments are sorted by newness rather than vote amount. I also rather dislike reddit as a whole but when it comes to certain smaller topics there isn't anywhere else to go to discuss them.
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>>139768331
それは確かに痛いけど
別の意味で

>>139768378
but are you saying you dont need to master up your posting

i think everyone could do a bit better right now
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I use /r/ssbm for discussion of SSBM and occasionally /r/games for game news. /v/ has, incredibly, actually become worse than reddit over the past few years so I don't have many options. Reddit is not without its uses, but all of its anime-related subs are really terrible and /a/ is better in nearly every way. I hear /r/visualnovels is okay too but I don't visit there so I don't know.
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>>139768651
/r/visualnovels only problem is that in the untranslated discussion threads, the vast majority of posters are people learning Japanese and thus their posts ALWAYS talk about language difficulty, how excited they are to be reading in Japanese, etc etc. It's unbelievably obnoxious.
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>>139768651
>ssbm
>gaymes
I hear /r/learnjapanese is pretty good too, why don't you go there.
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Am I a redditor if I go to /r/newsokur? Isn't really the same imho
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>>139768720
just so you know theres almost nowhere you can go to have eroge discussion in english that doesnt have that shit

in fact all the people trying to learn japanese to that end are running after the carrot dangling in front of them holding the memes created by those involved in localization to their chest

you should just abandon english entirely to escape
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>>139768824
>imho
Yes, you are.
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>>139768916
Fuck
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>>139768739

I judge individual communities based on their actual merits. I have indeed visited /r/learnjapanese before and if it were any good then I would be a regular. Sadly it is not though. It's filled to the brim with people who have been studying for six months and don't know the hiragana, wanikani kool-aid drinkers, and idiots who proselytize retarded study methods while demonizing legitimate ones just because they differ from their own choices.

Hm, the last one there sounded a bit like us, didn't it? Even so, here is a lot better than there.
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>>139768651
>implying /a/ is better than /r/anime_irl

sure m8
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>>139769088
>demonizing legitimate ones just because they differ from their own choices.
>Hm, the last one there sounded a bit like us, didn't it?

Not in the slightest. What legitimate method do we demonize?
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>>139769194
Kill yourself.
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>>139769358
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>>139769358
えーえええええ!?
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>>139769358
how many times will you post kill yourself today dude
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>>139769194

For the most part DJT's methods are absolutely sound: compelling content and overwhelming context. But the one area I feel we falter in is recommending paths for individual kanji study. Among DJTers, RTK is shunned in favor of Kanjidamage, in my opinion an inferior program, even though RTK has helped countless people immensely in learning the kanji. This is because of the retarded concept of pitting RTK vs. vocab in some war, as in >>139769451 and in pic related. In reality this is absurd because everyone has to learn vocab regardless, there is just the option of doing individual kanji study to help you grasp the concept of a character-based writing system.

No comment on Kodansha as opposed to KD or RTK since it is not freely available and I haven't checked it out.
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>>139769603
>the retarded concept of pitting RTK vs. vocab in some war
RTK and vocab did have a war, were you not here in 2014? fucking awful.
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>>139769603
>But the one area I feel we falter in is recommending paths for individual kanji study

This general has always been about the best and FASTEST ways to learn Japanese. Learning Kanji individually is not within that window.

Regardless there is still a section that talks about it in the guide, and I have seen people support RTK here, the only opinions against it I see are 1. Just learn vocab m8 and 2. Too many mnemonics is a bad time.
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>>139769526
That was my first one. I hope you learn something from this experience.
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みんなおはよう!
僕の日本語はどうですか?4年間の日本語の授業をやりていました。でも、私の日本語はあまり良くないと思います。誰か手伝ってもらいませんか?
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>Waiting for tomorrow to do some more anki
>Doing anki is the only thing I look forward to

Why can't other things be as exciting as pursuing knowledge you're actually interested in.
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>>139769872
いいえ
クス喰らえ(ください)
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>>139769882
Because then people might hold onto their hopes and dreams and realize how shitty life is leading to an uprising.
The system is designed to keep the sheep complacent.
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>>139769732
The war has been going for far longer than you can imagine, young one.

>>139769603
> This is because of the retarded concept of pitting RTK vs. vocab in some war, as in >>139769451
The point of that image is kind of that both sides of the war are under the power of dekinai
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>past midnight
>still not started my reps
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>>139769882
i used to hate anki slaving but when its over sometimes i just wonder what to do.
When I run out of VNs im interested in itll be worse
neet problems
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>>139769872
>私の日本語
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>>139769965
Do your reps first thing in the morning so you won't have the Sword of Dekinai hanging over you all day.
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>>139769872
>やりて
>もらいません
>僕...私
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>>139769960
The end of 2014 was the only time frame that I remember having full threads of nothing but RTK vs Vocabulary, consistently, for days. There are still arguments now but they peter out when the single thread dies, or even before so.
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>>139769603
>there is just the option of doing individual kanji study
Yes, and that's a big waste of time.
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>>139769872
>日本語
より
日本語能力

>4年間の日本語の授業をやりていました。
4年間なのにこんなに下手だなんて呆れる。
それに
>4年間、日本語の授業をやってきました。
のほうがいいかな。
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>>139770104
Whats wrong with もらいません?
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The advice in this thread and in the guide is complete bullshit. Do it the Fuwa way.
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>>139770104
ありがとう! I haven't practiced in a while so thanks for pointing those out!
>>139770041
I don't see a problem in that
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>>139770192
The grammar guide is better, just saying.
>asking about は vs が
Oh boy
> The translation given (which I rarely look up)
You should be looking up the translations more often
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>>139770338

That's pretty clearly a copy-pasted question from reddit/koohii. Don't waste your time.
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>>139770173
Back when OP posted daily kanji. When KD was the standard recommended path for beginners. When learning through vocab wasn't common enough for most people to even understand how it worked. Those were the true dark ages. Any skirmishes since are nothing in comparison.

Now that people are at least aware that you still do learn kanji when you study vocab the stakes aren't nearly as high.
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>>139770338
Sorry anon I was just shitposting. Thank you though.
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>>139770310
>location: Australia
Why do Australians fuck everything up?
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>>139769603
i dont know why anyone would recognize any of the x vs y shit as being anything more than dumb ass shit in the first place

if you cant actually think for yourself and handle your own shit you deserve to be led back and forth by this dumb shit honestly

>>139769837
youre assuming a bit much dude no one said anything about how many youve posted so far relax you look stupid

>>139769872
自分のことを考えすぎている
日本語のことをもっと考えろ

>>139770192
nah
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>>139770299
I don't know if it's technically incorrect but in my experience using straight negative for a request is uncommon. もらえませんか (potential negative) or もらえないでしょうか is better.
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>>139770173
We must keep that argument going. RTK is frowned upon because the average DJT user is expected to have the mental capacity to learn kanji through vocab alone. Mnemonics are for unintelligent people with poor retention.
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>>139770411
>Thank you though.
No need to thank me, I punked out on helping with は・が so really I didn't do anything. Though in the end that was a lucky decision.
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>>139770466
You can safely assume that anyone claiming to be Australian on the internet is a giant spider.
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>>139770544
I'm pretty sure it's right. It's just the difference between saying "Can't you ____?" and "Can you____?" as far as I know.
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>>139770664
Straight negative is more common when you are asking a question that isn't a request for a favor. Something like 食べないか? as "Will you eat"? But if you're asking as a favor it lacks the politeness factor
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>>139764375
Do you seriously even need a guide for that?
You can learn kana in a day or two.
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>>139770727
Oh also, it's wrong in the sentence above either way. Since he says 誰か, making someone else the subject, it should be くれませんか
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>>139770773
What's the point? You can just use Roumanjis. It's way easier to read that way.
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>>139770244
Thanks for being specific in pointing out my mistakes! I was sort of lazy about it on purpose so I could get all the help I wanted. And I dont really have an excuse for being so bad at Japanese other than the fact that it was one of those easy-A high school courses.
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>>139770813
tensaiteitokutinjufushozokuyqamatogatasenkan'nibankanmusasi
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>>139770664
its not really like that its more a difference of state between being able to receive vs having received

>>139770727
theres nothing inherently more or less polite about either of them lined up versus each other
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>>139770813
This is chinese, right?
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>>139770244
>日本語能力
stop
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>>139770727
I remember my teacher gave out a sheet with a big list of the politeness of each one. If I remember right, negatives are more polite than positives,
てくださいませんか
てくださいますか
てください
てくれませんか
てくれますか
てくれない?
てくれる?
てくれ


This is off the top of my head though.
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>>139770932
Nope.
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>>139770911
>theres nothing inherently more or less polite about either of them lined up versus each other
Maybe you should finish Tae Kim before joining the conversation bro
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>>139770980
maybe you should start real life before telling me about what your nihongo for dummies book you got at wall mart says nii chan
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>>139770957
There's not really a simple ranking besides that longer usually means more polite.

>>139771045
No seriously your Japanese is shit stop acting like you know everything.
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>>139771104
youre flaming me and not really disputing me at all in a meaningful way nii chan

think about the people who want to learn for a change instead of your own ego
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>>139771162
If you're ignorant enough to think that もらいませんか is the same politeness as もらえないでしょうか while at the same time being overconfident enough to argue about it then I don't think there's any way to convince you of anything.

>think about the people who want to learn for a change instead of your own ego
I'm not the one "correcting" more advanced learners.
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Shit I suppose I shouldn't be sticking with the もらう example considering the meanings even change. Still, there are definitely politeness differences between different ways of asking.
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>>139771242
2 times the flames 0 times the useful information bravo

once again youre the one disputing me i dont need to explain more you need to explain why its wrong thats how it works nii chan

im feeling dejavu
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>>139771350
I corrected 3 things and then gave an explanation for what I think would be better for one of them. What useful information did you give?
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>>139770827
Wrong. Since it's in my perspective and I'm the one (wanting to) receiving the help, it's もらえませんか。
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>>139771571
誰か、手伝ってくれませんか won't someone help?
誰か(に)手伝ってもらえませんか? Can I get help from someone?
I think the former is a bit better if you want to use the 誰か
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>>139771443
i went back up the reply chain and then noticed where the communication breakdown was

>>139770544 where he had もらいませんか versus もらえませんか

i saw now you thought i was concerned with もらえないでしょうか which i wasnt and i guess wasnt accurately reflected in >>139770911

sorry for being a dick before making sure we understood each other

that said time to go back to being a dick go
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>>139771781
Tbh I think the communication breakdown is because they don't even mean the same thing
Partially my bad for not explaining my correction in the first post (It's easier/faster to recognize what is wrong and how to fix it than to know why it's actually wrong)
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>>139771778
Oh I feel silly now. Thank you! I always did get the rules for もらう and くれる mixed up together. I guess I was convinced that I had to be right because no one else in the thread seemed to have noticed such a huge mistake like that.
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>>139770942
Is using 日本語 just fine then? I don't want it to seem like I'm trying too hard by saying 能力
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>>139772317
Use 日本語能力レベルのほど for the most clarity
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>>139772379
this is a ruse
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>>139772379
>>139772426
Come on guys, I'm just trying to get help here
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>>139772379
日本語喋る能力レベルのほど
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>>139772426
Yeah he forgot it's 層 not レベル (さすが害人)
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What the fuck. Am I getting memed on
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Is there a replay voice function in Flyable Heart?
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>>139772727
>ければ This is the ば conditional of 蹴る
Pretty sure this is 100% bullshit.
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>>139772479
boku no nihongo just like boku no pico

この俺様の日本語わ誰よりも高く

>>139772727
tldrレディット
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>>139772806
If there's no voice button, 99% of the time you can use mousewheel to go to backlog and click on the spoken line / click on something near the line
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>>139773155

Yep, thank you. No mousewheel (laptop) but I can just click on the log button so it's all good.
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>>139773210
good luck on your first eroge
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>>139773242

Thank you. I finished Hanahira for a starter VN but that was technically not an eroge and it was piss-easy anyway so this will be my first real challenge.
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>>139772727
This explanation doesn't even make sense. Based on what he's saying, the phrase 勉強しなければならない would literally mean "If you refuse to not study, it won't become." So if you study, it won't become. So you shouldn't study. But it means the opposite. That poster is an idiot.
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>>139772962
I'm so glad that rikai doesn't have a definition for レディト. I was about to uninstall that shit.
I'm ok with マクる but レディト is where I would have drawn the line.
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>>139773357
>being this autistic
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>>139773399
I went and submitted レディット to Edict. If all goes well it should start appearing on Rikai eventually.
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>>139772806
>>139773289
I wish the voice button was more common. I replayed the audio so much in Hanahira but rarely in Flyable Heart because going into the backlog screws up the text hooker. It was more of a problem when I used Translation Aggregator. It isn't that bad using the Furigana Inserter + Firefox method.
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>>139773617
>I replayed the audio so much in Hanahira

im real fuckin sorry for you right now dude like id actually hug you for that you deserve one
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>>139773617
I hate it when vns have a million useless buttons on the main game screen, I much prefer the minimalist view of just the girls and the text. It's a lot more immersive.
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>>139773690

Fuck off, jamal. Your bullying is not welcome here. Everyone who reads Hanahira is going to be a beginner so it's natural for him or for anyone to replay the audio a lot to get a feel for the sentences.
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>>139773780
I prefer when every line is voiced so you can just turn the text off and when the characters are animtated
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>>139773690
Thanks, man. It was hard but I needed the listening practice. Sometimes I had to listen several times to try to figure out the correct reading of a word. I really hate words with multiple possible readings.

>>139773780
It doesn't even have to be a button. A keyboard shortcut would be perfectly fine.
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>>139773839
its not because he needed to replay the audio its because its hanahira take it easy slugger
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>>139773968

My mistake, apologies for getting all worked up. Thank you for clarifying. Have a nice day.
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>>139773592
m8, I'm gonna fucking wreck your shit if I ever see that in my rikai I swear 2 god.
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>>139774153
i hope you get レディットロールド early and often
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>>139773592
But why
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>話せば分かる
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What the fuck do the nips mean with their "X だけに" jokes
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This game is already hilarious. Thank you to the anons who played and recommended it, the autoscroll html anon, and every non-troll on DJT for getting me this far. I'll come back and ask for help if I come across a line I truly cannot make any sense of, but I'll try to rely on context and the DOJG as much as I can. See you guys later, I'm off to read.
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>2016
>saying レディット
>not ウェリッ
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>>139774798
1) It's accurate information, レディット is how it's actually called in Japanese (if not plain Reddit). No harm adding accurate information to a dictionary like Edict which includes terminology such as the name of any Chinese historical figure ever born.
2) Non-malicious. No one will ever be misled or hurt by it's inclusion, except that one autist (who I think is joking anyway)
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>learned kana
>tried to play the K-ON game for the PSP as practice
>completely and utterly blown out and have to stop after a few lines
>fast forward 6 months
>learned many kanjis and a good bit of grammar
>try again
>complete failure again

I'm forever できない, aren't I.
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>>139775014
>>139775250
頑張るだよね
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>>139775014
You can use this to judge your progress. As long as you don't quit, you will succeed.
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>open VN
>see this
>close VN
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>>139775352
holy shit なんてこった
幻のテキストだよね
いっぱいあるんだよね
絶対読めなかった・・・だよね
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>>139775572
だよねぇ
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>>139775572
Orimoto pls leave.
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>>139775352
Looks dense but you shouldn't feel overwhelmed by it. Each sentence on it's own is not that complex, you just have to work through each one by itself.
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>>139775833
>Looks dense
Yeah that's the idea
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>>139775250
>learned kana
>tried to play the K-ON game for the PSP as practice

You tried to play a game after learning nothing but the kana? Are you insane?
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>>139775885
I just mean that just because the text is spaced closely doesn't mean it's beyond or level or something. If those sentences were shown to you one by one many of the people put off by it could probably read it fine, they just need to learn to focus on one sentence at a time.
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>>139775979
I probably gave you the wrong idea, I solely posted that image because it's a screen of pure text spaced closely
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>>139775996
Okay then
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>>139775963
I did the same thing. I was always disappointed when I didn't understand things which is retrospectively pretty funny. Shining Blade, some EVA games...
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>>139775979
heres the shocking truth

the reason why its super off putting is because not only is it a wall of text its all fucken boring drivel

its literally just a boring wall of text

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI
see for the shocking truth of when you can see the nihongo for what it is
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>>139776112
I actually could read the whole image and it was pretty interesting
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>>139767508
Koohii is way better than all these bottom feeder sites

Including here
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>>139776567
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>know too much to not enjoy subbed shit anymore because I hear words that arn't in the subs and feel I'm being lied to
>know too little to enjoy media without subs

what is this fresh hell I have crawled into
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>>139776567
Koohii has almost no activity, though.
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>>139772727
This is the worst thing about reddit right here. Self important beginners dishing out shit tier advice.
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>>139776608
its the hell where youre mentally literally translating everything and thinking translators dont know shit while not knowing shit yourself
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>>139776590
Its ok coz he'll change his mind

In any case at least hes a motivated self learner instead of reddit shitters

>>139776642
Only a problem if you're an ADHD NEET who has to post about learning japanese 24/7
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>>139776837
>くそ!
>translated as "You bitch!"

Yep, I'm the idiot, that's right.
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>>139776938
>ビッチ
>translated as "bitch"

I want this to stop.
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>>139776938
>>know too little to enjoy media without subs
look no matter what you say you dont understand the intent behind the word and just the dictionary definition of the word itself

no one said youre an idiot though so thats on you
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>>139777037
I want you to know that I hide your posts on sight.
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>>139777066
what does that mean to me
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>>139775338
Why the fuck do you keep posting this without spoiling it, it contains blatant spoilers for Flyable Heart and you're ruining it for everyone who hasn't read it yet.
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>>139777175
>a VN has sex scenes in it

fucking hell what a shocker
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>>139777175
i still dont understand why one character hogs all the sexes while other characters have one if theyre lucky
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>>139776608
Just stop watching anime thats what i did
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>>139777258
I have done. This was in a Japanese horror movie.
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ユダヤ人は9月11日を行った。嘘が信じな。
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>>139777175
Coz fh is TRASH BRO!!! ITS GARBAAAGE!!2!!
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>>139777233
It's because Sakurako is worst girl and her route has sex scenes as a substitute for engaging and interesting story.
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>>139777175
I specifically made it not to spoil anything. What do you think is a spoiler?
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>>139776608
That's what you get for being a dirty EOP. Otherwise you'd have built a tolerance for that shit ages ago.
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what is a watashi
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>>139777404
but why would you fuck the worst girl the most and the best girls the least makes no sense to me
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>>139777500
A plant.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udjZGG4CyQg

Japanese people have weird ways of thinking about things.
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>>139768850
My brother from another mother. Then tell me how to post in 2ch and futaba. Specifically, what VPN service you're using. Come on manggg

おねがいだから。
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>>139777585
日本人です。
K-POP知らなすぎか。だったら、日本は全部の曲が日本流か?元々のPOPというジャンルは、他のアメリカとかから来てんだ。そうだったら日本もパクリになるだろ。他の国のいいところを真似して何が悪い?韓国の人が頑張って作ってきたK-POP文化を簡単に馬鹿にする日本人もおかしいと思うけど。よくこんなの放送したよね。

>>139777621
oh my god dude no get away from me please
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>>139754741
is 月曜日 a loanword? it's sunday and it literally means sun day
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>>139777818
woops
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>>139777777
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>>139777442
Specifically, Suzuno's route.
I know you read it with a guide and thus were spoiled immediately, but for most people, the fact she gets a route isn't evident, or even that there exists a true route after the normal routes, since most moege don't have this. By posting it here, and even worse, adding End and Das Zukunft hat schon begonnen to it, you're ruining the bonus route for people.

But even excluding that, imagine someone reading Mayuri's route. They'd normally be expecting a continuation of the route after the sex scene, but because of your chart they know it's about to end. It takes away the potential of a surprise extension or after story to the route, which is a significant part of some VNs, and something only they can do, since books you always know many pages are left. You might not have read a VN like this and therefore not realise it, but I consider spoiling the fact this doesn't occur to also be a spoiler.
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>>139777700
Man.... I'm sad :(((
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>>139777869
Personally, I don't see those as spoilers. But I will spoil it when I post it from now on.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxuC2KSUajU
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>>139778129
dont be sad i just cant help you with your japanese posting career

its against my morals and values すまん *柏手*

>>139778282
i gave school days to a female friend back in the day and said nothing and she watched it all and then stopped being friends with me
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>>139778282
Their reactions are great.
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>>139778481
Alright let me phrase it another way then. You know my ISP block reddit (along with many other websites right). So since you said that reddit's thread (weekly question thread) is good for asking questions, let me ask you this.

What good VPN service you're using that you think I should check out?

Now since It's not directly related to japanese posting career anymore, you can help a brother out right?
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>Start learning Japanese three years ago
>I gain an appreciation for *good* localizations
>Appreciate the well done video game localizations I play
>I still appreciate them and since I translate myself now, I'm always looking for ways to improve and sound more natural. Try to maintain as much accuracy as I can but I'll change things as needed in order to not sound odd in English
>Once I even changed a name in something because how the name was formed didn't make sense in English. I expected to be met with nerd rage, but everyone who commented on it said it was a good choice and they understood why I did it.

And yet I have a hard time playing Japanese games in English anymore. Some have shit English versions, like pretty much anything that NoA releases these days, but some are pretty good. Sometimes I just want to chill and play a game in a language I'm fluent in, because though I can play anything I've tried to in Japanese, depending on what game it is it can be a breeze (Dragon Quest), or challenging (Fatal Frame III). Other times it's not hard at all, just time consuming when the game uses a lot of kanji and I need to look them up often, though OCR apps on phones helps that. Still slows me down though. It seems the more Japanese something is, like Fatal Frame or Persona, the less I want to play an English version even if I try to convince myself to do it.

Anyone else here suffer from this brand of autism?
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>>139772932
yeah he just moused over it with rikai an went "must be it"
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>>139778965
Definitely. Not games necessarily but manga/novels, if they were originally in Japanese I can't bring myself to read the English version. It ends up feeling like you're not even really reading the material.

On a similar note, the book I'm reading keeps quoting from Shakespeare (in Japanese), and it's almost laughable because the Japanese version of the lines are so straightforward, it's like they're not really reading Shakespeare at all.
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>>139779141

Yeah, it also kind of feels like I'm gimping myself on a learning experience. That was true a few years ago, and I still have a ways to go before I'm even near fluency, but at this point I can afford to play a Japanese game or two in English. Guess I just hate letting learning opportunities slip by.

>On a similar note, the book I'm reading keeps quoting from Shakespeare (in Japanese), and it's almost laughable because the Japanese version of the lines are so straightforward, it's like they're not really reading Shakespeare at all.

Oh yeah, I've seen stuff like that before. Can't recall them off the top of my head, but yeah, sometimes you see stuff like that overly simplified when translated into Japanese, or you see simple and direct statements in Japanese media played up a bit in an English translation.
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Is there a way to manually change the due order of new Anki cards?
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>>139779611
No but you can disable new cards and manually unschedule the ones you want to study
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>>139779950
manually enschedule*
firefox's spell check doesn't understand english morphology so I reflex-corrected the word even though it was right
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>>139778763
look let me put it like this

getting to tokyo, its a mindset. sure its a physical location on the planet but to really find tokyo is to find yourself. have you ever watched or read boys on the run? at the end he puts that bitch on an express train to tokyo so she can get her mind right. the point is at some point everybody needs to find a way to this metaphorical tokyo, for their own sake and well being, but you cant just ask to go there and be taken there, you must get there by way of your own actions and decisions in life

when the time is right you too will find your way to tokyo

誰でもできるようになる道があるよ東京へ
それぞれの心の中には

>>139778965
i mean localizing jp only cultural stuff is garbage i agree plus i think if it was written in jp originally thats what you should go with most of the time unless you have a real good reason

>>139779141
its a two way street dude actually more than that. for every ugly jp > en tl you see theres like 100 more bad en > jp tls that will make you question why western stuff is even popular amongst some japanese

it really isnt a stretch to say its almost as ugly as the people chasing their visual dreams here in djt
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http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2139350710955582801

丼ものにはオーバーミディアムが合うし
蒸し焼きのカリカリ感が嫌いな人はオーバーハードで固くしてもOK

I thought that 蒸し焼き did not produce カリカリ感. Is this just a mistake on the page?
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Jesus, everyone who said Hanahira was baby Japanese wasn't kidding. I have spent like 15 minutes on this line alone. The amount of new grammar is crazy dense compared to Hanahira's "かわいい" and "ひゃあああ" and "仲良しだね、佳織ちゃん" every other line.

>>139779950
>>139779997

Brilliant, thanks. I should have thought of that myself. When doing my daily new words I supplement any words with new kanji in them by finding some more words on Jisho with that specific kanji and onyomi in them to reinforce it. But if I mine too many words to do in one day then I can't do this since the supplemental mined words will show up after all of the others. So this helps, thanks again.
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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9987A659670D60E0

What happened
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>>139780342
i mean the thing is its gonna suck real bad at first but then youll start seeing the same shit over again so dont despair dude it gets easier
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>>139780401
a bitch happened (you)
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>>139780342

Hanahira was my first and only VN, I only went through it for practice. I remember it being difficult at times, but that was a couple years ago. I haven't uninstalled it yet because I keep wanting to go back and see how easy it is now, but at the same time, it being a learning experience was the only thing keeping me from giving it up out of boredom.
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>>139780342

>grammar
*vocab

Dunno why I said grammar. The grammar is more difficult now but still understandable, I meant vocab.

>>139780409

Absolutely, thank you for the reinforcement. I am not despairing, though, more just marvelling at the difference in difficulty between two purportedly easy VNs. New words and kanji are exciting, I am looking forward to continuing with this one.

>>139780515

If you have been studying for a few years now then you won't have a problem with it. I am a total beginner and it was baby simple. At first it was not so easy; I stressed over understanding 100% of the lines and how the grammar worked inside of them but once I realized that was a waste of time and focused on understanding the general meaning the rest of the VN was smooth sailing.

Hanahira is pretty generic though. I highly recommend it to any newbies as a confidence booster and intro to VNs but if you are already past that level there's not much point.
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>>139780612
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>>139780303
how the fuck am i supposed to know why don't you steam some eggs and make some others over hard and find out
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>>139780692

>I stressed over understanding 100% of the lines and how the grammar worked inside of them

Yeah I did the same thing. I'm back to doing that, but that's mostly because I don't have to struggle over every sentence anymore, so I get more obsessive over the little things that I'm not sure about.
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>>139780747
Not all questions are directed to you personally
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>>139780303
ドアノブがカリカリだよな
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>>139769872
300cards into core2k and I can kinda understand most of this, is this magic
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>>139780747
desu im a proponent of crispiness on eggs
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>かれの腕は太い。

wouldn't this mean he has fat arms? It wouldn't mean he had muscular arms right?
or could it mean both
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>>139781344
It means they're T H I C K
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Read the first three chapters of Dragonball last night, only having to ask gf to explain small things like what the hell the turtle's antiquated language meant, or why Goku うses 食わす instead of 食べる. I'm barely self-assessed N3 and only 1/3rd done with core 6k, so it felt good to finally jump into Compelling Content™ that wasn't JAV.
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>>139781395
subscribed
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>ask gf to explain
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>>139781344
yah it means hes beefy as fuck with his pythons. like me
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>>139781438
Thanks be sure to click Like share with your friends.

>>139781439
I'm not gay, Jisho-chan isn't a boy.
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>>139767132
>And you don't even see it
Because it isn't there and you are knee-jerk reacting like a teenager who has just heard someone say they didn't really enjoy the last album produced by your favorite band. Just look at this thread. Look at it. A group of tribalistic morons throwing shit at each other.
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>>139781654
hey dude from 6 hours ago boy do i have a bone to pick with you

presses post button
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>>139780692
>two purportedly easy VNs
Yeah it's important to remember while Flyable Heart is easy it's still in a completely different tier from stuff which is literally just little kids like Yotsuba and Hanahira.
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>>139768174
>What I meant by "garbage" was obviously referring to the fact that the concept of internet voting and popularity based discussion ordering is fucking retarded.
That's how 4chan works: popular threads are bumped while others are ignored or saged to death. Popular opinions are parroted while unpopular opinions are shitposted to death. The same things are discussed over and over to death because they are popular and doing anything unpopular will be met by hoards of shitposting until it is finally accepted and becomes the new thing that is allowed to be discussed.

Out of all of the shit things with reddit, you picked the ones which resemble 4chan. The first problem that should have been mentioned was a lack of intra-poster anonymity. You didn't even mention that at all. Not even a mention of having to create an account in order to post? Or the fact that the site is designed around link aggregation and not discussion? What the fuck, man - how could you leave those out?
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>>139781961
yeah what the Fuck man
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So do I have potential or am I fugged
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anyone here paused doing anki just to do straight tae kim after like 500ish cards? How'd that work out for you, I'm finding it difficult to do both tae kim and anki every day
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>>139769732
>were you not here in 2014?
If I were I sure as fuck wouldn't be here now.
Are you coming to these threads for Japanese or coming to these thread to learn more about these threads? That's like loitering around junior schools after graduating highschool, and unless you're there for the potential sex, it's just fucking weird.

Do you use this thread as a social chatroom or something?
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>>139782219
Dumb question, everyone has the potential you just have to keep going
quite frankly you haven't even started
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>>139782247
you got issues dude stfu please
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>>139782219
Don`t give up yet.

What the fuck are you doing anon?
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Holy crap you guys shit on it but kanji damage is wizardry

I've jammed like 200 kanji into my brain in 3 days
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>>139782235
It's probably better to lower the card count than stop it altogether
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>>139782263
>>139782296
I don't know what any of these numbers mean, just clicked the stats button and posted what came up
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>>139782219
You're doing fine.
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>>139782235
You should at least do your reviews if you can.
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綺麗
奇麗
google translate says they're the same thing?
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>>139782305
You could have done 300 with Remembering the Kanji.
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>>139782393
this is the nature of japanese my friend

書く
描く
画く

上げる
挙げる
揚げる
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>>139782469
I'm clearly new, but I'm fine with different words having the same pronunciation
but having two different set of kanji mean the same thing is mind boggling to me
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>>139782219
you are dekenai incarnate man

>needing an hour less than a week in
>less than 50% retention rate

like 50 cards take you an hour and you can't even remember half of them. Good luck when you have that kind of retention rate juggling 2000 cards. Enjoy 10 hour study sessions.

Go join the army or something, can't stand low IQ proles coming in thinking everyone can handle a second language.
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>>139782580
Pretty rude desu
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>>139782580
kill yourself
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>numbers in kanji can be read different

haha oh wow
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>>139782720
>Be english
>One
>Duo
>Binary
>Sec
>Di
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>>139782550
>but having two different set of kanji mean the same thing is mind boggling to me
Pay attention to the radicals on the kanji on the left.
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ここにいる日本は
俺しかない
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>>139782830
Please don't bump a thread with mindless shit.
This isn't /b/.
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>>139782867
バンプ
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>>139782824
sure but what's the difference between the two
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>>139782867
このスレをつまらないことで上げないでくれへんか
ここ/b/とちゃうし
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>get frustrated by how everything I read has so many new words that I couldn't possibly remember them all
>try making a mining deck
>2 months later
>get frustrated by how everything I read has so few new words that it takes ages to fill my daily quota

I'm not sure how much is progress and how much is the change in perspective from viewing new words as an opportunity to learn rather than an obstacle to fluency, but making that mining deck is probably the best thing I've done since I started studying Japanese.
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>>139761867
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DJT-さん,
Do you read VNs or play them? My friend says you read them but I disagree
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What is the /djt/ consensus on RTK vs KanjiDamage?
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>>139783651
It works. Ignore any other responses.
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>>139783589
i read them then play with myself
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>>139783589
It's a pretty silly thing to argue really. Personally I feel like VNs where you don't make choices can't really be "played" though, since there's no real input
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>>139783589
VN means visual novel, and you'd read a novel, not play one. But VN is usually just a pretentious term for eroge, which is an abbreviation of ero game, thus something you play.

If you want to say you've played it, say eroge. Only use VN if you want to be a dickhead pretending to be reading literature when playing your porn games.
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>>139783930
>using common terms makes you a pretentious dickhead
kill yourself
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>>139783930
>But VN is usually just a pretentious term for eroge
Point and laugh at the pretentious retard trying too hard to look like he knows what he's talking about.
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>>139752450
Alright so i started practicing just yesterday and i've read the guide and im actually doing this part right here http://realkana.com/hiragana/

But is there a certain font from those that i should stick with? the characters sometimes look completely different depending on the font
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>>139784063
Nah just do it
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>>139784063
When I started I put the fonts on random so I'd be forced to learn how they can appear. Not sue if that's a good idea but it went okay.
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>>139784063
you'll get used to it
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>>139784117
>mfw someone saved my image
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>>139784154
people keep saying this to me, is this a meme?
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>>139784196
no that font list is actually my image
hard a hard time looking for free-to-redistribute jis-2004 fonts
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>>139784117
>>139784113
>>139784090
Alright thanks, but fuck me the font i was using was the first one and its the only one from the rest that some characters look different compared to the other fonts
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>>139782972
Sounds like you might benefit from looking up what radicals are.
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>>139784233
thanks for making it
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>>139784256
it just shows how nearby stroke endings connect which is important because learning despite them makes font variations process earlier, ironic to what you might assume
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>>139783742
But in general, would you say you play them, or read them?

>>139783930
But if you played an eroge, and wanted to then call it a VN, would you say you read it even though you played it?
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>>139784196
move kanji damage to the bottom
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>毎年 (まいねん)
>毎年 (まいとし)
What the fuck, what's the difference?
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>>139752450
Are anons like this just taking the piss? I mean, surely the op site can't get any more retard friendly than it already is? Where on earth are these people coming from?
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>>139784346
>But in general, would you say you play them, or read them?
both anon
there is no dichotomy here

unless you're like reading umineko where there are no choices until the second half which is a separate installment
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>>139784303
oh i see what you mean, thanks. ill go on memorizing the hiragana characters then start learning some words
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>>139784290
I'll do it
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>>139784375
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1311087593
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>>139784346
>But if you played an eroge, and wanted to then call it a VN, would you say you read it even though you played it?
It's more the other way around, if I wanted to say I read it, I'd call it a VN.
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>>139784378
So if you wanted to ask if someone plays/reads VNs, then what would you ask?

>Do you play VNs?
>Do you read VNs?
>Do you use VNs?

>>139784489
Okay, that makes sense
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>>139783694
Which is better though?

RTK/Heisig or KanjiDamage?
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>>139784505
Do you do VNs?
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>>139754741
is 缶 a loan word
it sounds like can
which it is
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>>139784521
Personal preference.
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>>139784505
>talking to people about porn games
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>>139784521
They're different things, KD teaches you vocab and expression with an edgy touch.
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>>139784521
neither
do something, decide if it works for you, if it doesn't, stop *early* and move on to something else
just don't bounce from method to method forever or you won't learn japanese
get those vocabulary flashcards in no matter what you're doing
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Do I need the Heisig book or are all of the mnemonics/contents baked into premade decks?
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>>139784530
Yeah, I did some VNs last night. Heavy stuff.
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>>139784370
What`s the difference?
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>>139784602
What was your number?
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>>139784405
Later on or now (depending on your level of Japanese), get into the habit of using this search pattern in google, whatever:
「x」と「y」の違い (replace with your terms, obviously)
For example your kanji issue:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q139444933
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q117220121
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1214439277
http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/293464.html

This should be in the Guide somewhere, unless I am remembering from a different source.

>>139784521
Are you going to be alive in 5 weeks time? Spend two weeks on each and see for yourself which clicks better.
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>>139784583
It would be idea if you made your own mnemonics up but I think the Anki deck in the CoR for RtK has all the mnemonics on the cards.
Definitely use the book alongside the deck, though. There should be a copy of the book in the CoR.
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>>139784521
The one you feel better with.
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>>139784521
RTK stops providing mnemonics about halfway through the first book. After that, it only lists the primitives and expects you to come up with your own. RTK also covers nearly twice as much (3k kanji) as KD. Personally, I prefer the RTK community mnemonic deck.
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What's DJT's opinion about AJATT?
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With kanji decks, do you guys quiz yourselves on on yomi, readings, kon yomi readings, or neither (just english meaning keywords)?
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>>139785009
>studying kanji without learning the 音読み and 訓読み
What`s the fucking point?
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Hello, Kanji Seller? I'm going into battle, and I need your strongest Kanjis.
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>>139785303
Mnemonics go a long way. If they had the mental capacity for rote memorization, I'm sure they'd just jump right into vocab instead. RTK is like a 3 month warmup for retards.
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>lay down in bed
>close eyes
>realise I forgot to do my reps today
A-am I gunna be daijoubu?
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>>139785770
出来ない。
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>>139784583
You need the book, or a PDF of the book. Some primitives/components/whatever he calls them have an entry in the book but not the deck, because they aren't kanji by themselves. Some of them can have multiple meanings. Like a kanji will mean one thing, but the mnemonic used when it is part of another kanji will be something else. I hope that made sense. When doing my new cards I would have the PDF open on the left half of the screen and Anki on the right.
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>>139785770
>>realise I forgot to do my reps today
You`re fucked.
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What are the azw3 files from the 小説 tab in the CoR?
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For Kanji decks, do you guys do Keyword ---> Kanji (Production) or Kanji --> Keyword?

Apparently Heisig suggests using the former.
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>>139785770
>not planning your day around your reps

Today I almost fucked up because I get tired really early and went to bed before doing my reps. But I still put my alarm clock on 2 hours before the reset and dragged myself out of bed to do my reps because there's no way I'll let myself fall down to 99% days studied.
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>>139784955
common sense phrased to sound insightful and used to sell a product
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>>139785844
>>139785887
>>139786038
I'm only a few weeks into it, is the impact still terrible?
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>>139786093
Just restart the deck. The damage will compound as you go on. The earlier in you skip days the more it will affect you in the long term.
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>>139786093
>core 6k
>万歳
MY FUCKING EARS
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>>139786093
Yes. Might as well give up on learning Japanese.
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>>139786093
You should be able to make up for it. But if you forget to do the reps again you might as well just stop trying to learn japanese.
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Every card in 10k is mature do I know Japanese now
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What kanji is this? Google trans isnt picking up my shit drawing
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>>139786123
So if I start over, it'll just forget that I forgot and everything is good?
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>>139786181
>give up
B-but then how can I pretend to be a little anime girl on the line?
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>>139786207
fuck off cancer
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>>139786256
Neat thanks, I was actually guessing it was that word from context but never looked it up. Thanks anon
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>>139786199
You posted in English so you aren't Nihon yet, my friend.
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>>139786207

Fuck you too.
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>add people on hellotalk
>english level is set to 1 and they clearly can barely speak
>send message in nipponese
>they respond in shitty engrish
Why? I don't get why they try to talk when they're so bad. It's really annoying and I always insta drop them because they clearly aren't competent enough to get a basic understanding before trying to communicate with people.
What also pisses me off is when they want you to send messages in Japanese and they send messages in English, in an attempt to have a conversation with both at the same time. Not only is it cringey as fuck, but it makes it much more difficult to actually have a conversation. And what kind of person would want to keep switching languages? It kills your immersion too having to continually switch.

Fuck some people on hellotalk
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>>139786219
Okay, I'll stop messing with you.

It's like working out. Missing one day is barely noticeable in the grand scheme of things. But as soon as you let yourself slip and consider it acceptable to miss a single day, chances are you'll miss a lot more than one day and it suddenly becomes really fucking easy to make excuses until you're putting in so little effort that you're not even making progress anymore.

So if you miss a day, all you can do is push on like nothing happened, but never let yourself think that missing a day isn't a big deal.
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>>139786417
That post was a new IP, though. It's trollception.
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>>139786437
Tethering to phone because ban evasion
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>>139786365
>I don't get why they try to talk when they're so bad. It's really annoying and I always insta drop them because they clearly aren't competent enough to get a basic understanding before trying to communicate with people.
Is the joke here that Japanese people probably feel the same way about you when you try to communicate in Japanese?
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>>139786365
> when they want you to send messages in Japanese and they send messages in English, in an attempt to have a conversation with both at the same time
The fuck? That's completely normal and polite when you're both trying to learn the other's language. I much prefer it to trading off, as long as you actually get corrections.

Personally I stopped bothering with Hellotalk when after several conversations the only corrections I got were trivial typos
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just doo flash cards when you feel like it and dont worry too much about it as long as youre doing the other important things (gym tan laundry etc)

>>139786365
honestly because english by my reckoning is worth 100 times more than japanese i would advise you to employ a 100:1 exchange rate on japanese to english sentences
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おはようおにいちゃん

あのんくんちのせんたっきって

たてがた?どらむがた?
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>>139786684
How the fuck am I supposed to read this without spaces between the words you tard
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>>139786554
>Hi
>こんにちは
>What are you doing?
>今ゴロゴロしてるよ
>cool
Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather just stick with one for a while and switch whenever. That's just weird to me and annoys me. Idk it might be irrational but I don't like it
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>corebabbies
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>>139786684
rub my ちんちん、おねがい
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>>139786684
いもうとがた
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>>139786875
痛せんたっきかー
そのジャンルはまだにほんでも少ないかもしれないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
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>>139786871
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>断末魔
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Do you have what it takes to be slower than me?
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>>139787377
Slow or not, 89.7% retention is pretty good.
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>>139787367
what kind of eroge you reading senpai
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>>139787377
I'd commit sepukku if anki ever took me over 45 minutes. How many new cards are you doing a day senpai
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>>139787618
The number of new cards is pretty meaningless because it doesn't tell you anything about what anon is actually reviewing.
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>>139787477
it's a surprisingly common words です せんぱい
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>>139787144
買ってくればいいのにな 笑
中に収まるんじゃないかな いもうとは
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r8 me
I haven't done all my decks yet for today so that's why it's low
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