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Katia is the reason i wake up in the morning
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Do not give automatic gun to cute, confused girls
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>>139739355
< Most oversexed whore I ever see.
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>general
Really? At least wait a few days to start reposting shit.
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ayy lmao
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Mine here
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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff2xOFo4mg
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>>139739523
i'll fight you and kill you
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.

Also, commissar Gretel is alive and rocking to the latest Puhdy`s album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
and to some rock classics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g
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So what's the next muvluv piece to get a shit adaption that isn't part of the original trilogy?
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>>139739355
Best girl
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>>139741333
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>>139740931
probably eurofront or TDA
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>>139741333
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>>139741736
see you later
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>>139741791
In a distant world...
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I see we couldn't stay away!

That is wonderful.

>>139739541
Ah, got your package then?

I'm not sure I'm gonna not regret paying for mine, since the actual story of ML trilogy is...I know it's intense, but not sure I can handle all the little niggles and inconsistencies and YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIIIII

Also, self-inserting as this regular joe who becomes super badass even if he has to suffer to hell and back, still gets more and more awesome.

These are just doubts though. I should excise them.
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>>139741938
> who becomes super badass even if he has to suffer to hell and back, still gets more and more awesome
yeah right

too bad
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ssshhh
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>>139741902
why do instead of one leaving, why cant they go together and leave?
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>>139742712
Because politics
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>>139742478
die racoon
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>>139742712
They only had one boarding pass
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>>139739355
Mine here
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>>139742712
Only 100k spots faglord, the rest of us must fight to the bitter end.

Frankly, that's a lot. I remember an old survival/management RTS called Outpost 2, humanity literally only had a year to research, construct, test, and fly out only 200 people before the Earth was doomed.

It got me interested in the particulars of the spaceship from AltV. I suppose AltVI could be endlessly constructing a fleet of colony ships and fling them in every direction so that humanity is guaranteed survival. Abandon the Earth, the last human region being the deep South being the colonyship construction facilities, launch gantries at Cape Canaverl, defended by an army who volunteered themselves out of the running to be on a ship unless it was the last one out.

Oh and maybe throw in constructing an AI to take command and wage war.
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>>139742068
>His smile and optimism: Gone
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>>139743153
At least now he has his own takemikazuchi
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>>139743558
Couldn't they given him the non-shitty version?
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Best Girls!
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>>139743609
at least it's not a Gekishin
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>>139743630
Agreed! Well, one of them anyways.
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>>139743667
He could have gotten a Shiranui whenever he wanted, but they could have been at least nice enough to give a Red Take to him.
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>>139743630
Right here
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>>139741333
Beat me to it.
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>>139743630
>>139743879
They are not Meiya
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>>139742478
>18 years old Katia
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>>139743710
He's lucky he got inducted at all considering he was under suspicion of being a spy not too long ago.
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>>139739541

That SW patch is nice.
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>>139739355
Did early AK47s not have the recoil spike at the end of the barrel or is that artist fucking up?
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>>139744002
How did they not skip the fact that in that world he's dead?
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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
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>>139743609
>Couldn't they given him the non-shitty version?
thats not fair for the BETAs
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So anyone else excited for the Extra/Unlimited release on steam? It should be released in early April, so any day now.
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>>139744051
because his a useful deadman walking

also political hostage against meiya
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>>139744273
i am cant wait
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>>139744273
>Extra/Unlimited
Is it using the old or new art?
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>>139743973
>> Bou will never draw eroge anymore

How many feels?
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>>139744318

What do you mean by that?
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>>139744436
Cancer Yuuko or normal Yuuko?
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>>139744318
They would have to re-make the game to use the new art
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>>139744273
Sorta. Will have to ready my YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIII pills tho.
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>>139744511
Have your triazolam ready too
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>>139744511
idk why but all YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIII is pretty funny to me
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>>139744682
It's not the outright things. The little things.

Knowing history, knowing politics, knowing military ways, they all start to add up. It's kind of like something always you can feel.
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>>139744682
>>139744511

Am I the only one who truely likes YAMATO DAMASHI in general?
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>>139741333
I politely disagree
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>>139745122
Yes
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>>139745223

Shit taste senpai.
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>>139745122
no
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>>139745122
She is the other half of two best luvs
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>>139745375

Is there a chance of a Total Eclipse release on steam or even a fan translation?
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>>139745464
someone of the alternative project was working on a fan translation
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>>139745122
i prefer the burning american spirit of freedom
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>>139745530
We all know what you prefer
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>>139745295
Now there is no need to respond like that
Meya is my fav girl of the originals, but all the YAMATO DAMASHIIII is absurd as fuck
my taste>you're taste
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>>139745514

That's good to hear.

>>139745530

KII SAMA
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If I were Theo, I'd constantly call her "Lise" just to see how she'd react
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>>139745774
and force her to wear the ribbons
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>>139745810
Also force her to pleasure Stasi goons because that's hot.
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>>139743630
why are they so best?
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>>139745864
1 billon Stasi dicks
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>>139745774
>>139745810
>>139745864
No.
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>>139745912
What are you going to do? piss yourself?
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>>139745912
Doesn't look mad, just pouting, or worried.
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I want Sylwia to kick my ass.
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>>139739355
Not an inmouto
>>139743879
Not inmouto

Wat the hell is wrong with you.
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>>139746049
>Sylwia will never dominate you

why
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>>139746090
Theo pls
Beside you have a new inmouto now
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>>139746090
>inmouto
What did he mean by this?
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>>139746345
He puts it in.
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>>139746387
I want to put something in Lise
and I mean candy in her mouth, because she's too cute
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>>139746490
Me too especially a knife in her gut and eviscerate her whole body.
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>>139746888
Suzy please
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>>139747529
That's a very cute boy!
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>>139746888
Is there a point to this cruelty?
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>>139740011
I will make a better version the moment Gaijin stops with Russian Bias.
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>>139741333
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I want to hide in the dark, imitate Jurgen's voice and tell Beatrix to do lewd things.
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>>139741333
why do best girls always get the suffering and loses?
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>>139747643
muh edge
>>139747879
check the sekirt dokuments
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>>139748662
Because autismal quantum computer
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>>139744273
I'm very certain that the final release isn't gonna release until June while the BETA keys would be given at the end of April.
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>>139748831
i hate it!
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>>139749191
Me too
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>>139741333
I cam here to this post. Well done.
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How old are everyone in the 666th?
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>>139749680
Theo/Lise=18
Sylwia=19
Walter=29
Iris=23
Pham=22
Gretel=20
Annette=18
Katia=15
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>>139749762
So, Katia is the only one who's not a granny?
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>>139749808
>29
>granny
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>reading chicken divers
>oh shit this is cool as fuck
>that orbital drop
>black screen
>oh btw they all died

come the fuck on man
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>>139749808
Yeah, she is underage.

How can they allow her to run Germany when she is not old enough to post on 4chan.
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>>139750029
I'm sure she's still better than Merkel.
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>>139750029
because muh saint ursula
If Gretel was present during the negotiations the DDR would have been in a better possition
I mean, on the side of the DDR we have a 15 years old, Heim (who is a total pushover) and Suzy and the rest of the moderate rebels
What could possibly go wrong
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>>139750227
She sold East Germany to the west so I don't think so
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>>139750335
better than giving all of Europa to the mudslimes
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Just woke up
Time to praise Katia all day again!
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I want to use Lise for boxing practice
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>>139750402
BETA=mudslimes
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>>139750410
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan Katia.
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Beware of this succubus
She's never not hungry
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>>139750629
But it's 2016
I'm sure Katia is old enough
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>>139750707
I'm sorry but my instincts tell me to feed a starving girl
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>>139750783
She is dead by 2016
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>you expect to satisfy me with that?
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>>139750811
It's no use sticking you head cannon in this
Her fate has not been chronicled anywhere yet, so she's as alive as Theo is
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>>139750918
Bitch, I wouldn't touch you with a stolen dick. Those lips look like lips of an experienced prostitute.
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>>139750783
48 years

She is also a 45 years old corpse if she died during the fall of europe.

Unless you go full Farka style, you wont be having anything.
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>>139750837
Witnessed
>>139750977
She is dead, why do you think that Theo became the Master
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How dangerous would Lise be if she came back from the dead as a demon powered by semen?
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>>139750435
Eat the infidel
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>>139751202
Well there aren't that many men left so she would probably starve.
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>>139751385
fuck off mohammed
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>>139750837
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Beatrix is good for nothing
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>tfw America comes to save the day again in Schwarzesmarken
Absolutely based.
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I want to suck Gretel's dick
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>>139751173
Theo could think she is dead much like Yui faked her death as well.

Or maybe Theo found it mandatory to turn into what he is today in order to keep his promise to protect Katia.

Or maybe Katia died as everyone seems to think it's the ONLY way.

Either way, the events are not set in stone and Katia dying is not confirmed.
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>>139751590
>america saves the day
>HATO loses western europe in 2 years

[raughs]
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>>139742478
>put on the fucking ribbons Katia
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Alternative Projects is based. TDA 02 fucking when? I need more badass Hibiki.
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>>139751698

>Yui faked her death

Please explain
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>>139752167
never

either it will get steamified or until the alternative projects is done with the help etc
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>>139752274
Yuifag delusions
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>>139747529
Literal perfection, can't believe the anime ruined her in the last five minutes though.
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>>139752559
>confiming her survival
>ruined

The short hair is a temporary setback brother
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>>139752761
Well she's still probably going to die anyway once the line breaks, can't be too hopeful now.
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>>139752851
>not wanting to be with Gretel during the fall of Berlin
Where is your faith You cannot kill the commisar
THIS IS YOUR LAST STAND, NO DOUBT, NO FEAR
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>>139752996
>implying I wouldn't go on a suicide mission with the commissar

I just know there's barely any chance of survival
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Why is Schwarzesmarken still not greenlit on steam?

I am disappointed /a/
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>>139753221
Now that's the spirit

We'll teach those NATO dogs how to fight! Today, we'll show them that the Nationale Volksarmee bows to no-one! Today, we'll show them the might of the German Democratic Republic
Get to your vehicles, we go to war!
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>>139753528
Well it's not like it's not going to get approved
https://twitter.com/muvluvseries/status/717563018981158913
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>>139752325
>>139752274
http://pastebin.com/hNCBauyw
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>>139750629
>>139750707
>>139750783
>>139750803
She, Beatrix and Iris were the only reasons to watch this show.
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>>139753704
HATO, comrade.
Also fuck them.
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>>139753528
>guy on the Greenlight forums asking what kind of game it's going to be
>First reply is online FPS

Man fuck that guy for reminding me that the TSF game is never coming out.
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>>139753819
But she was such a shit in the anime.
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>>139753843
You got the message

More of Gretel inspiring the troops latter
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>>139754132
I want Gretel to inspire my little soldier.
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>>139754181
I want Gretel to politically indoctrinate me
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>>139753957
why was the tsf front cancelled}

fuck they could have at least released the current build they have
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>>139753704
>commissars
>not fucking shit up with their "muh party"
Even if my commissar was Gretel, I think I would shoot her somewhere in the dark place.
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>>139754369
You'd cum in her ass?
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>>139754369
I would shoot her full of cum and then marry her.
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>>139754369
>shooting the commmissar
Into the gulag you go
>>139754453
How is that even a question
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>>139754509
hello there Martin
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>>139753737
Beautiful
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>>139753737
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>>139754453
Sure after
>>139754537
>another soldier deserted
No one will give a fuck
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>>139754847
Yeah you are right, it's better to get rid of cowards for the final battle
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>>139754847
>deserted

More like executed for attempted murder of a state official.
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>>139755005
We have to save ammunition
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>>139755037
Gretel WILL execute you if she has to.
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>>139739541
I'm jelly. I would like to buy the Schwarzesmarken patch, but Japan is selling it for almost 2000 JPY.
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>>139755005
You seem to misunderstood
>kill Gretel
>pretend she deserted
>her image is ruined
>in death she claimed traitor
shit,I went full Stasi here
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Are these BDrips any good?
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=800719&showfiles=1
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>>139755279
Fuck off Heinz Ketchupman
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How come Theo became a villain post-SM if he had Katia by his side?
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>>139755531
Because he probably couldn't Mamoru Katia well enough and she died.
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>>139755300
>HEVC

I wouldn`t. Only when Holy Daiz says it`s time.
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>>139755378
I want to chain Axmann and rape his fuckboi in front of him.
Then again, he'd probably won't care.
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>>139755602
But all three of the girls he loved wouldn't want him to turn evil?
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>>139755531
No one knows
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>>139755802
I think you will become evil if 3 girls you loved would be killed
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>>139755802
He probably justifies it through being a "necessary evil". Or maybe he just goes crazy because everyone he loves dies.
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>>139755670
Isn't Daiz dead?
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>>139739355
>this is the last thread they said
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>tfw no pet Katia
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>>139756204
>They said the same thing last week.
>Every
>Single
>Day
When will the threads really end? Next month?
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>>139756204
At least people are actually having discussions and it isn't entirely waifushit.
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>>139756204
Muvluv is eternal - The threads will never end.
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>>139756159
>>139755802
>>139755531

It's the Bernhard Curse at work. It destroyed Beatrix, and now it will destroy Theodor.
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>>139756353
>it isn't entirely waifushit.
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>>139756393
>Bernhard indirectly killed Pham, Lise, Sylwia, Walther, his sister, and his girlfriend

What an asshole.
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>>139756506
>dating sim
>no waifushit
Either this,or pactposting
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>>139755680
You are gay anon
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>>139756639
What is there to talk about? How the BMP would totally kill everything?

Muh BTR can kill grapplers since "lol ZSU-23-4" can do it?
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>>139756639
>Muv-Luv
>A dating sim
I only recall one date in the whole series
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>>139756506
>>139756639

>dating sim

Sure.
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>>139756765
With enough concentrated firepower, anything can kill the BETA, even small arms fire.
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>>139756912
I dont like how necrophilia is so stronk in Schwarzesmarken.
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>>139756765
I guess HEAT might be effective against Grappler-kun
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>>139756623
His only ideal was that people should put aside their differences and work together for the betterment of mankind. Such a shame that his waifus did not think the same.

Beatrix is probably closer to that ideal than Iris. Iris was nationalistic, and disagreed and had a deep distrust of supernational organizations such as the European Union, the Warsaw Pact, and the United Nations whereas Beatrix was sucking UN/Western dick throughout the LN. That's right, Theo was basically pursuing the nationalist route in Muv-Luv (though Katia set him straight).

Katia would probably be the closest though, if only she was more pragmatic.
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>>139757100
Iris is /pol/. That's absolutely phenomenal.

Why would anyone waifu her?
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>>139757273
I want to talk about niggers with Iris.
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>>139756960
>even small arms fire.
Only Warrior, Soldier (only in the 90s), tiny-laser and Tank-class.

ZSU-23-4 is used against Tank-class and Grappler

The 23-mm guns can penetrate at 90 degrees:
24.1mm at 500 meters
19.3mm at 1000 meters

The BTR series use a 14.5mm gun and it can penetrate:
30mm at 500 meters
20mm at 1000 meters

Your 12.7mm gun does:
20mm at 500 meters
13.2mm at 1000 meters

The AK does 8mm at 500 meters

The BMP-2 with its 30mm automatic gun does:
55mm at 500 meters
50mm at 1000 meters

Using those facts and considering that the AK was effective only at close quarters (less then 100 meters)

The Tank-class gets killed by pretty much anything above 7.62 at 1000 meters

Your Grappler is fucked at 1000 meters by everything the Motorised rifle platoon has to offer.

Your Grappler is fucked the moment it get close to 4000 meters against a Tank.

Everything (not destroyer-kun) is fucked when it meets a HEAT round regardless of the range from the front.

God damn I want to see F-14 TSF with a AGM-65 mavericks fucking everything up.
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>>139756994
Dead/dying girls are moe.
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>>139751001
And she looks the same as she did in 1983.
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>>139757273
Pretty much.
>blonde haired
>blue eyed
>only guns for Aryans like her brother and Theo
>protestant
>nationalist
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>>139757952
If we can preserve comrade Lenin.

Then we can preserve all of Farka for eternal service for the DDR.
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>>139750837
Ahh, mediocre
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>>139758089
>Theo
>an aryan
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>>139750837
>>139758234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX-FMvt83fA&nohtml5=False
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>>139758267
Yes? He's got red hair and greenish eyes. That's plenty Aryan.
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>>139750837
Witnessed!
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Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.
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>>139758372
>waifus
>plural

Faggot.
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>that scene where Lise announces she had sex with Theo in front of everyone and Katia goes to silently hug Pham
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>>139758507
>silently
I think she was crying in her bosom
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>>139758507
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>>139758507
Katia had a hard life.
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>>139758507
It only get worse from now.
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>>139757002
Pointing and laughing is effective against grappler-kun.
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It's been a few weeks now since she suddenly appeared in your home, and Lise seems to be settling in nicely. Her daily routine involves waking up early and going for a run, tidying up for maybe an hour each day, and spending the rest of her time staring at the tiny screen of the ancient netbook you let her use. One day, as you're getting ready to leave, you feel a tug on your sleeve. You turn, and Lise is standing there.

"I want to see it."

Hm? You tilt your head slightly.

"I want to see that show."

She is of course referring to the Schwarsesmarken anime. Since she arrived, she spent most of her time reading online posts about the world she originally came from, but she had never actually sat down to watch the series.

"Can you watch it alone, or do you want me to be there too?"

"I'll be fine alone, I think. I know more or less what to expect."

You head back to your room, put the show on a thumb drive, and plug it into the netbook. Then, you leave for the day.

When you return, she's sitting on the couch leafing through a dog-eared copy of F.A. Hayek's "The Road To Serfdom" which she picked up at a charity shop for 25 cents. Since she arrived in the modern era, she's been surprisingly eager to learn about other economic models and critiques of socialism. It's maybe not exactly what you expected when she first appeared in your bed. She looks up and greets you, but her smile seems fake, and the sing-song cadence of her voice somehow rings hollow.

"It was bad, wasn't it?"

"Yeah..." The fake smile drops off her face. "It was pretty bad."

You suspected this might be the case, so you reveal the pint of strawberry ice cream you had hidden behind your back. He face brightens a little, and unlike the smiles you saw earlier, this one seems genuine.
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>>139758670
>Grappler was the one that killed Inghild
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>>139758507
Do Katiafags actually think this scene is anything comparable to what Lise, Beatrix, and Iris went through?
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>>139758507
Does the LN/VN go into detail or does it just say "then we fucked like 30 times"
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>>139758746
They don't fuck. The was thinking about Irisdina the whole time.
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>>139758662
Poor Katia.
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>>139758746
The VN hasn't reached that part
They didn't fuck in the LN
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>>139758789
>>139758801
I'm slightly disappointed but figured that was the case.
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>>139758923
Well the VN will probably give you a choice
Who knows how they'll describe it if they're going to make it all ages
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>>139759123
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>>139758686
Cute
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>>139759123
I want be getting any Pham and I'll probably have to kill Beato so I don't really care too much.
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>>139759123
>story involves all kinds of war crimes, torture, rape, prostitution, execution, and child murder.
>make the actual content all ages
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>>139759332
Almost all the uber dark shit is in Requiem, which the anime and VN will probably ignore.
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>>139755300
There is the OST Vol.01 with some tracks not included in the previous rar posted on /a/.
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>>139759372
It feels disingenuous though like if Prince Charming from Cinderella later attains the throne by murdering his father and raping his mother, but thats the part of the story we're never shown. To know what we know about the bigger picture can paint a twisted light on the presented part of the story making it especially uncomfortable if they go out of there way to censor and make it kid friendly.
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>>139758686
What would Lise's critique of Schwarzesmarken be like?
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>>139759123
Which begs the question, how are they going to censor CHOMP in the Vita version, or will they censor it at all?
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>>139759696
The same way they censored it for the console releases in Japan
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>>139759624

She probably feels pretty low, so she's not going to get mad if they make her look worse than she is. She'd be upset about how the other Werewolves, especially Beatrix, are portrayed though. Seeing Ketchup might literally trigger her, too.

Finally, she'd be all "What the fuck is this bullshit? Why aren't they giving Iris medical attention? This is fucking ridiculous!" Because regardless of how she feels about Iris as a person, that whole part is just silly.
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>>139759624
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28354340
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>>139755300
First episode has audio commentary with Iris and Katia's va (spending their time laughing and having fun), unlike reinforce raws.
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>>139758686
Does she know her brother went full nuts some 17 years later?
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>>139759610
Some people seem to think that requiem are these side stories that few people have read.
But they came out while the main story was being published as well.
They took the place of a major numbered release through that time as well.
If anyone was following SM they would've bought SM:requiem as well.

Requiem 1(07/12) came out between Vol 3(03/12) & 4(10/12)
Requiem 2(07/13) came out between Vol 5(03/13) & 6(12/13)

Not to mention that some most of the stories in both Requiems were published before in TSF Cross Operations & TSFIA
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>>139759301
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>>139760617
I hate how obvious they've made it so far confirming it. I doubt she'd be surprised though and it would probably make her more convinced that if he had gone with her instead she could have prevented it.

>>139760867
I didn't mean that those parts of the story were like some kind of lost tome, but that when the tone of the work clashes with the content things feel a bit weird.
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>>139760617
>Mou, Onii-chan is so fucking useless without me
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>>139760617

In that storyline? Yeah.

It's in "Lise in the real world" which is probably the longest thing I've written here.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-uMN28GtT68ZPP2gS2Tq5Ipm4yw_odDBLpS3qM_camg/edit?usp=docslist_api

I figured that once Lise realized it was possible to do, she would obsessively research everything she could regarding the world she came from. Finding out about Theo would be the first thing she does, because she loves him.
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>>139741333
good taste
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>>139739355
Saddam leading his final charge against BETAs when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VhQxqH8KuI&nohtml5=False
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So you know that rumor the Chinkfag threw out about Jurgen's ace color being red, turns out it's true:

Mig-27を使ったのも隻影を読んだ後だとユルゲンのMig-21Pのカラーを模す事でユルゲンに
対する喪の表れと不滅の愛情を表現したかったのかと思えるから、例えマスターになっても

[I realized] after reading Shadow [of Bernhard that] the color of [Bea's] MiG-27 is the exact same as [Jurgen's] MiG-21P.
It's a manifestation of her undying love and mourning for Jurgen and is comparable to the Master [for Iris].

So Jurgen really is the CHAR of Schwarzesmarken, and Beatrix made such a huge deal about her 27 being red to the Soviets in her TSFiA sidestory because it was Jurgen's colors.
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>>139761326
Thanks for the link.
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>>139761390
Love is a hell of drug.
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>>139761363
I wonder what the songs is about.
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>>139761390

Besides Red being 3 times faster, it's the coolest color.
Everyone loves red.
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>>139761390
If Jurgen really is the CHAR of Schwarzesmarken, then that means he's still alive and Theo's nemesis in SM2.
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>>139761533

It would be too sad for Jurgen to come back only after his lover and sister are dead. Then again "too sad" is the muv-luv way, so I half expect it.
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>>139758507
did this really happen?
was waiting for the VN but...
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>>139761390
He probably painted his 21P red because of Beatrix too. Jurgen associates red with her in some of the translated passages of BiS.

That's really, really sad in a way.
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>>139761844
Yes but the announcement was unnecessary. Everyone in the barracks could hear them going at it like animals the entire night. Katia's pillow was soaked with tears, and her panties were soaked as well.
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>>139761844

It happened in the anime, but not the LN, and we haven't gotten to that point in the VN.

Also, even if he didn't sleep with her, she might say he did to manipulate his relationship with the other girls.
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>>139762041
How did she soak panties with tears?
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I just started watching it at episode 5 right now.
And I have to say ACTION PACKED ANIME!
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>>139762086
I suggest you leave this thread if you want to avoid spoilers - But yeah, it's pretty action-packed all the way through.
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>>139762086
You have to be over 18 to post on this site.
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>>139761512
i still yet to find the lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRgMUm98lkA&nohtml5=False
^extended version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZntem4SS8&nohtml5=False
^concert of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7cZH4IzF54&nohtml5=False
^FSA version
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>>139762076
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>>139762086
It's shit anon.


You came to late.
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>few dozen named characters
>more than two thirds dead
>you can count on one hand how many died due to BETA instead of other humans

Alien Invasion.
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>>139762240
Humans are the real monsters anon.
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>>139762185
I have found a more modern version Iraqi version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4zB2q6cCA
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>>139762240
It's weird too. Beatrix is the one who's pro-UN/West while Iris is the nationalistic pro-DDR leader who wants to go her own way, yet Beatrix is the evil monster and Iris is the good girl. In any other ML, Iris's portrayal would be way less flattering.
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>>139762470
Thats why VNs have routes anon, so you can make your own decisions based on the material provided.
>>
What if the BETA are actually the good guys?
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>>139762470
It's all perspective.
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>>139762609
Yes anon, go hug that Tank class.
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>>139762470
Iris outright calls the West her enemies when Katia brings them up in the VN. She also slams the UN. I think of the heroines, Katia is most right while Iris is most wrong, but then, I don't think evacuating as much of your people as possible and letting the rest of Europe get fucked is a good idea.
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>>139762609
>twizzlers.jpg
they'd still be too lewd
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>>139762470
>nationalism is bad because hitler
>being a cuckslave for un shlomo is good
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>>139762788
Nationalism is a bad idea when you're in the middle of getting fucked by Beings of Extra Terrestrial Assrape and you have to play nice with others to survive.

In such a scenario, the survivability of humans as a species trumps whatever else.
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>>139762752
Seeing them side by side, Beatrix really is so much hotter than Irisdina.
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>>139762960
Fuck your "whatever else" bullshit. If nation dies, you don`t care what happens to the planet anyway.
Hoping that being an obedient little cuck will net you anything other than total disdain is pathetic.
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>>139739355
Wonder how Nazis would handled the BETA situation
>inb4 mech versions of me262, ho229 and me163
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>>139763186
They would've invaded Poland and France, liquidating large numbers of their population because they needed more resources to fight the BATERs.

They'd probably still handle it better than the clowns in ML though.
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>>139762752
In a war where you measure the the progress by the amount of humans left and the percentage of land still under human control, I think losing land but saving it's people is better than losing all that land and it's people.
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is she the only pure character in this show?
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>>139763342
Gretel is pure.
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>>139763342
Iris is pure.
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>>139763342
Ja.
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>>139763342
Her heart is blacker than coal.
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>>139763186
BETA cant handle superior nazi tech.
>Pic related
>inb4 some american dude can kill it.
Jew lies.
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>>139763342
Definitely not as pure as Katia
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>>139763335
From a purely utilitarian perspective, Beatrix's plan would've saved more people.

Hiroki did state in his twitter that Beatrix's ideals and plans weren't wrong at all considering the shit they were in.
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>>139763495
> woman
I wouldn't expect anything less
>>139763516
that's fucking cute anon
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>>139763516
>Thinking not a single wessie or burger taped that tiny ass.
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>>139763616
Katia literally means 'pure'. Nobody did.
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>>139763521
>Beatrix's plan would've saved more people
She wanted everyone in the DDR to die with her.
That is not saving more people.

If we took her plan at face value without her suicidal/state-hating tendencies then yes she would've saved more people.
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>>139763616
why would they put tape on her, did she have a rip in her suit?
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>>139763698
Well, she was killing four birds with one stone.

>Suicide
>Revenge
>Carrying out Jurgen's will
>Exercising her utilitarian nature

Remember, Beatrix was a big proponent of strengthening international organization so people could better coordinate against the BETA.
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>>139763303
>They'd probably still handle it better than the clowns in ML though.
true
>>139763512
heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye--nsKa36w
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>>139763682
Well her real name is Ursula.
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>>139764045
Which means little bear.
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>>139763342
Irisdina is pure.
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>>139764098
so pure that she didn't want to be seen naked by a medic.
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>>139764098
Stay dead you frigid Christian bitch.
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>>139764098
>blonde hair blue eyed christian girl with a will of steel and beautiful ideals

Is she the perfect woman?
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>>139764091
But that does not really match her personality now, does it?
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>Lise
>Short form of Anneliese, a combination name composed of Anne (gracious, full of grace) and Liese (God is my oath).
Cute!

>>139763954
A united Germany would have kicked major Beta ass and changed the entire landscape of the western front. If people think kraut engineering is fucking magic IRL just imagine what they could have done with tsfs if their BETA war hadn't been fucked over by soviet and western meddling from the beginning.
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>>139764485
Well, that was after getting corrupted by Theo.
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>>139761390
>be Beato
>slut kills your husband
>takes his scarf
>takes his mech
>all you have to remember him is your color scheme
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>>139762520
>VNs
>Having routes
I can tell you haven't played many age games.
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>>139757273
>>139764098
Iris’s not a human so much as she is a Barbie Doll, except instead of plastic, she’s molded from untempered wish fulfillment.
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>>139764667
Perfect!
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>>139764551
Anon, "kraut engineering" is a meme. Any sufficiently developed nation could make insane engineering archievements.
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>>139764818
No
$$$$$$$$$$
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>>139764578
Kouki promised routes for Martyrs.
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>>139764902
I thought different endings were promised not actual routes?
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OST when?
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>>139764551
>Reich wins the WW2
>FF years later BETA invades the earth
>Rommel's and Hans-Ulrich Rudel's newly formed SS FlüegerPanzerGrenadier divisions leads the charge against BETAs after the heavy V2 bombardment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tvlQgjfuiA&nohtml5=False
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>>139764575
Best part is, you get killed brutally by a TSF that uses parts from his TSF, using an anti-Charger technique that he developed, and by a guy who starts to mimic him by the end.
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>>139765334
1 by 1 as the the BD volumes come out
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>>139765534
That`s not OST, just specials.
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>>139765600
Specials?
They're the VN music and the disc clearly says Schwarzesmarken Original Soundtrack

Unless you all of them in one package you're going to have to wait until after the 2nd VN
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>>139765768
Yes, audio specials that come with CE BDs. OST will be released separately.
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>V2 bombardment
>Not 15cm Panzerwerfer 42
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>>139761390
Found the full quote:

Mig-23改自体が現場の都合で生まれた機体という背景もあるけど、シリーズ主人公の戦術機で
同型機が存在しないワンオフ機って何気にMig-23改だけだし、本編終盤でベアトが専用カラーの
Mig-27を使ったのも隻影を読んだ後だとユルゲンのMig-21Pのカラーを模す事でユルゲンに
対する喪の表れと不滅の愛情を表現したかったのかと思えるから、例えマスターになっても

(http://hanabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/magazin/1458025149/)

Yeah, and Jurgen flying red was known for some time. He does it because he loves Beatrix that much.
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>>139767708
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>>139768173
>dat ass
sweet Honecker have mercy on me
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>>139768173
>her official fig (if she even gets one) won't have hips that wide

What a shame.
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>>139768345
Bugger
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>>139768623
muh dick
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>>139767708
>>139768173
>>139768266
>>139768623
cute boy. now post some girls.

>>139768678
are you gay?
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>>139768774
well meme'd son
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>>139767708
>>139768173
>>139768266
>>139768623
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>>139768623
Would hotglue/10

>>139768774
Don't insult the commissar like that if you value your life.
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>>139768859
>you will never remove BETA with Gretel

suffering
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>>139768931
you have a death wish? she would probably get both of you killed.
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>>139768931
You will die if you cant convince her that your tactics is better.

Also you have to cover her ass.

And hope she wont leave you :^)
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>>139768987
>Not wanting to lay your life down for the state

You some kind of faggot?
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>>139768931
>you will never remove BETA with Gretel
Thank god
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>>139768900
>>139768931
>>139768859
>>139768678
Hope you guys won't be too disappointed when the VN comes out.
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>>139768987
>>139768997


She is the worst 666th pilot, but an average compared with the rest of the NVA

I don't mind covering her ass :^)
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>>139768997
I'd cover that ass with my cum if you catch my drift.
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>>139769116
Yes, average.

We all know what happens with them.
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>>139769060
You keep saying this, but is she really that shit?
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>>139769060
She starts as a massive cunt but ends up been one of the most moral members of the rebellion
Nice moderate rebels
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>>139769116
>average NVA pilot
If the VN is anything to go by they die by the dozens
She's only alive because she's in the 666th
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>>139769159
They git gud or die
you cannot kill the commissar
>>139769168
The bad ends are when she executes Theo and is full MUH PARTY mode
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>>139769125
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>>139769168
Not him, but I certainly thought so during the beginning.
All she does is scream and scream
I was wishing she would've died in the first battle.
But she does mellow out and improve into the Anime ver you all love
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>>139769244
I don't see that as a reason to hate her since she still goes MUH PARTY in the anime but ends up being best in the end after getting some sense knocked into her
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What Lise was a traitor?
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>>139769405
what
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>>139769405
The biggest one yet.
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>>139769244
>she executes Theo
It was an accident because he tried to take her gun from her hands. It's not her fault.
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>>139769335
She is way worst on the VN
But not my fault that they can't handle the commissar
I wish there was a Gretel route, so we could have the 3 sides of the story
Iris=rebels
Lise=Stasi
Gretel=SED
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>>139769520
He wasn't trying to take her gun
He got way to close for comfort and stayed shaking her
She panicked and accidentally discharged her gun
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>>139769627
>WEAR THE GOD DAMN RIBBONS GRETEL
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>>139769610
>no alternate ending where you successfully defend the line and repopulate the Fatherland with Gretel at the villa you went to in your chikdhood
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>>139769741
Aaaah such lust for imouto. What could drive a man to such cruel and sustained desire.
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>>139769520
>>139769627
She gets exonerated
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>>139769825
Suffering
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>>139769627

*Negligently discharged her gun.

an accidental discharge would only occur if the gun really did go off by itself, that is, if it wasn't drop safe or the sear broke or something. A slamfire or a cookoff could also be an accidental discharge.

Point is, it wasn't an accident, it was a mistake.
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>>139769741
Go bully Katia Theo
>>139769757
why life
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>>139751590
Its weird though...they SAY Murrica is so powerful, and yet, it's always Japan did this, Japan did that, holy fuck top eishis from Japan, etc etc.

I dunno what to make of it.
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>>139770213
America only comes to fight when it's convenient for them.
See WW2
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>>139769757
I have the urge to write
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>>139770730
Do it anon.
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>>139770874
It will be Gretel related, but what could be
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>
You slide the thin, hanging door open and switch the light on. Gretel yelps, and turns away from the light, curling up on your broken double mattress. As her sponsor, you took the girl in when she was resettled as part of an experimental refugee program, a world away from the war and suffering in Europe. Now, it's time to help her integrate into her new community.

"Gretel, wake up! it's time for your first day of work!"

You pull a pair of black slacks off the floor along with an inexpensive blouse. Gretel crawls into the clothing and you shuffle her out the door. You step out of the trailer into the cold, neverending drizzle, and load her into your 1998 Honda Civic. You hand the girl a cup of Folgers coffee and a package of twinkies, which she eats sleepily. She finishes the coffee as you drive over interstate 5 and onto the Tulalip Indian reservation. You pull into the Quilceda shopping ceter, just south of the casino, and drop her off in front a large blue building. She head to the back, where she puts on a blue vest and nametage she had gotten a few days earlier while she filled out her W-2 and I-8 forms for her new employer. Finally, she heads back to the front of the building, where she begins to chant a greeting to the customers, her eyes glassing over every time she repeats her new catchprase:

"Welcome to Wal-mart! Welcome to Wal-mart!"
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>>139771044
Pornographic.
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>>139771165
she is too pure for that
Dunno, I was thinking to write about some events of SM from Martin's point of view
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>>139771152
Is this pasta?
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>>139771289
Yes, and everybody went nuclear the first time it was posted
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>>139771289
Its a story from a while ago. Still gets me every time.
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>>139758507
>>139758546
kek, it was also like the only time I saw Pham a bit upset at Theo.

>>139758686
>dog eared, abused FA Hayek

;_;

At least you had strawberry ice cream ready to save her...

You're not going to tell her you have the picture of her after babysmash still, are you?
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>>139766240
Jurgen
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>>139739523
ughh... anime girls in suit are so hot
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>>139771323
Got a link to the archive?
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>>139771289

yes.

>>139761326
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>>139763186
With awful logistics and unreliable equipment.
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>>139771358
The best girl!
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>>139771371
see>>139761326
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>>139766240
>>139761390
Wow, guess she really is the most loyal SM. Shame she's taken by a dead man so won't be waifuable in Martyrs.

Don't really want to kill her either, would rather heal her like Lise.
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>>139758789
Not shown yet. Martyrs.

>>139759237
This picture always makes me happy for some reason. It's like where she say she'll protect the world he lives in.

>>139759301
You shut up! There WILL be a Pham route!

>>139761390
>>139761910
>>139766240
God...God fucking dammit.
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>>139758686
You should try showing her OreImo or YnS instead, I'm sure she'd appreciate that.
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>>139772004
Or make her cry harder.
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>>139771860
>You shut up! There WILL be a Pham route!

Like that will ever happen. She'll be like Stella or Beatrix, always flirty and maybe even willing but out of reach.

>God...God fucking dammit.

Why, it's not like the author stated that Beatrix represents the true love theme or something, and even said that she was a grieving widow when he described her?
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>>139772211
Part of the healing process!
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>>139771860
>>139766240
>>139761390

Maybe she was able to rationalize that she was just flying red because she was a true commie through and through, but you'd still think it'd raise some eyebrows for her MfS bosses well, Schmidt did bring up her connections to the Bernhards after seeing the MiG, but you'd still expect a little more outcry.
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>>139772004

Lise would be rooting for Kazuha in YnS. Sora is a passive, moody emo. Kazuha is like Lise in that she knows how to properly treat her Onee-chan.
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>>139771860
Someone needs to make a crying edit for this.
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>MAL response to announcement for SM VN on Steam: Why even expand on anime spin-off?
kek
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>>139773366
ayy
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>>139773366
>a VN that isn't complete yet gets on Steam before the other VNs that are completed already
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>>139764045
More like Usedurla.
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So I just finished it. What did Lise meant when she said she was Axmanns dog? Just that she was spying for him, like the word dog is used for the Stasi informants?
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>>139774455
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>>139773879
You're in the wrong Germany genosse
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>>139774518
She was the stasi's cum hole
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>>139774518
She fetches the paper.
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>>139774518
She meant that she was Axmann's cumsleeve fuckhole.

No, really.
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>>139774518
>shot of Lise one the floor, naked and with empty eyes in front of Ketchupman

Gee anon you tell me.
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>>139774533
If only Iris had let Gretel confirm her suspicions
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>>139774518
She chewed his shoes
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>>139774628
Or Sylwia, or literally anyone else in the squad not named Theo.
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Who did Jurgen love more, Beatrix or Irisdina?
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>>139774765
Ketchup
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>>139774685
>>139774628

Unfortunately Irisdina never got the memo that normal siblings don't, or rather can't, sell out their loved ones and will desperately try to swallow any suspicions they might have until the evidence is totally irrefutable.
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>>139774670
>>139774613
>>139774610
>>139774579
>>139774577
I have to watch this scene again to confirm which Episode was it?
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>>139774765
Axmann
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>>139775236
9
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>>139772924
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Kansha that she didn't die
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>>139775866
End yourself chaika poster.
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>>139775692
Nice, though the tears look a little too "real". Works though.
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>>139775914
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>>139775406
Thx hmmm that expression.
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>>139775983
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>>139776867
Much better!
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>>139763186
That's how.

Remove gommies.
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>>139777103
That's war thunder as fuck
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>>139776867

2cute4me

I want to tell Beatrix that it's all going to be OK and she's already done enough.
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>>139770324
>not selflessly holding up the entire world
>not taking the blame for all sins so that humanity survives

Fuck you too Fagiri
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>>139777168
>spam G-bombs
>good

ok amerifat
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How did Lise stay sane through all the torture?
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>>139777352
>sane
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>>139775692
>>139776867
This hurts me.

Thank you.

>>139772242
Pham WILL have a route!

I don't know how it'd end though...

>>139772404
Well that's what she'd tell her bosses, certainly. For true gommunism and all that. But it's just so sad and adorable that it's in his memory.

Makes it hurt even more, the death. Literally killed by Jurgen's manuver.
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>>139777395
I like your hope phamfag
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>>139777352
Well, sane is a stretch word, but basically love. I know haters like to say obsession, but no. Actual, unconquerable love.

>>139777336
>supporting Fagiri
Wow I didn't know anyone here did this.
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>>139777493
>supporting Fagiri
Something America did.
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>>139777395
No thank YOU for >>139777493
You always see the best in people.
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>Beatrix and her squadron went to stop the BETA invasion at the Oder-Neisse line while Iris and co. were inciting a civil war from the inside and destroying the stability of the country when it's about to be overrun

What if Beatrix was the good guy?
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>>139777746
America supported both sides of the Japan and East Germany revolutions so that they had connections with the winning side no matter who won. As the only remaining superpower they tried to stay on everyone's good side.
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>>139777395
>But it's just so sad and adorable that it's in his memory.

How do you think she feels knowing that Iris is piloting Jurgen's MiG-21P and repainted it in standard NVA camo?

How do you think she feels knowing that parts of Jurgen's machine was used to build the Frankenstein MiG that killed her?
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So have you remembered to thank based Yuuko for the gidt bag yet?
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>>139778100
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>>139778100
In most Muv-Luv stories Iris would be the nationalistic rebel rousing antagonist. This being SM, everything is topsy turvy.
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>>139778100
Meh they (and all of Eurasia) were fucked no matter which way you slice it. You can't be expected to hold a front hundreds of miles long against the BETA.
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>>139778100
Everybody is a hero, and a villain
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>>139778108
In Japan's case they clearly supported one side a lot more than the other and in the end all it did was destroy any influence they had in Japan.
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>>139778458
Author said that Beatrix is no more wrong than anyone else (even said she was a "heroine"), and the Japs polled had a pretty even split, with slightly more (10% or so) agreeing than disagreeing with her.
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>>139778458
and no one knows who's the victim and who's the aggressor.
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>>139778839
And what is peace
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>>139778839
Well, Beatrix and the stasi definitely seem to be the victimizes for the most part. Sure, Iris is a ridiculous nationalist, but that doesn't make her evil, and sure, Beatrix believes in sacrifice and strengthening the UN, but that doesn't make her anywhere near good.
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>>139778945
All questions commonly asked about any war in history.
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>>139778565
The only influence the US needed in Japan at that point was in the Japan-led UN Alternative IV mission which they still very much held. The whole basis of Sadogashima hive attack iirc was to test out the US-built engine that was incorporated in Unit-00's TSF in order to persuade the American congress to go with Alternative IV over V.
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>>139779121
I want to see Yellow 4 with a fortified suit
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So, according to TSFiA 39, the BETA literally crush East Germany just a couple of weeks after Theo meets Katia (due to the very sloppy evacuations and desertions in the East). By fucking SEPTEMBER of 83, the BETA are already in West Germany wrecking shit (they even caught the Wessies at a bad time because they were in the middle of an evac).

Holy shit, how do you go from holding the line to total collapse in just a few months?

Bravo Heim and Suzy, you guys are terrible (I'm not blaming Katia, because the people around her should really know better).
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>>139779277
Taking out the entire Werewolf battalion didn't help their defense either.
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>>139779277
Katia is responsible as Heim and Suzy

>Holy shit, how do you go from holding the line to total collapse in just a few months?

>due to the very sloppy evacuations and desertions in the East
There is your response
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>>139779277
Suzy was right though
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>>139779438
Suzy pls go
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>>139779334
Yeah, in the LN they apparently executed all of the enemy pilots they caught, and seeing as how the Loyalist had the best pilots aside from the 666th, of course...
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>>139779492
>executing TSF pilots
bravo moderate rebels
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>>139779277

>September, 1983.

>In the vicinity of Hamburg, West Germany, in the region referred to by the locals as Alte Salzstraße, the West German army and their US allies began construction of a hasty assembled defense line, and prepped the local civilian population, and those of Hamburg, for immediate evacuation.

>The defense and evacuation of the city of Hamburg and its surrounding districts was completed. By the end of the operation, 50% of all the A-10s committed by the US Army were confirmed KIA. It was said in the after action report that many A-10 units that held the spread out defense lines fought and died to the last man, while still holding their ground, guns blazing to the end. The actions of the US Expeditionary Forces that day forever solidified their positions in the hearts of many German citizens.

Schwarzemarken's epilogue is around June/July, meaning that East Germany fell in less than two months. So much for happy endings, right?
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>>139779629
It was never a happy ending
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>>139742999

...So Knights of Sidonia is the squeal to ML?

I also disagree with the implication in your pic. Half the A-10s made it out of Germany and France after covering the civilian evacuation.
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>>139779675
Any ending involving Beatrix and Irisdina dying isn't a happy one.
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>>139779715
Same here
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>>139779492
>executing pilots

W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D
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>>139779779
Just like those moderate syrians
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>>139758686
>she's sitting on the couch leafing through a dog-eared copy of F.A. Hayek's "The Road To Serfdom"

Why is my dick so hard?
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>>139761361

Shit taste on TSFs, though. Should be:

>F-22A
>Su-47/EF-2000
>Type-00/F-15SE
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serbposting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sqMNHZxjI
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>>139779629
>Schwarzemarken's epilogue is around June/July, meaning that East Germany fell in less than two months. So much for happy endings, right?

The NVA was basically spent, though. Remember the garrisons of the line fortresses had 'only recovered to 40% strength' in that sector after the battle in the first episode; they were simply taking losses far to quickly.

Really, I don't get why everyone here seems to think Beatrix would have done any better than the West or, after the dust settles, bumanity would be at all better off.

Assuming she could actually manage to get the people of East Germany to sign on to her Kamikaze plan, it wouldn't have magically given them more industrial power. The only way it would have increased their combat capacity would be by rounding up the people into penal battalions and sending them to die for minimal benefit compared to a solider with training and equipment.

Now, in the actual timeline, most of the European population actually got out, and thus could take over Africa or whatever to rebuild keep fighting. Beato would be making that worse.
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>>139780913
Most people just like her because she's hot. Personally, I think she's one of the most repulsive human beings in the Altverse, but that's just me.
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>>139779277
>Holy shit, how do you go from holding the line to total collapse in just a few months?

Attrition wars are like that. Superficially, It doesn't look like you're losing until suddenly you fall apart.
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>>139780913
Why didn't the Americans come and help?
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>>139781084
>HATO
>actually fighting
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>>139780913
This guy gets it.
We don't see how bad the rest of the NVA really is because we're seeing it from the view of the very best of the NVA.
But even they were understrength. They had lost three pilots in just the last two weeks as well and never got any replacements aside from Katia in three months.
Now imagine the rest of the TSF squads. During the Maelstrom the three other squads the 666th were paired up with were also understrength and they incurred heavy losses during it.

During the opening battle there was even one NVA squad who was 100% annihilated because they weren't vigilant enough to stay out of the laser's direct LOS.
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>>139780913
Well, you could argue that the rebellion really fucked things over because they divided the fighting strength of the DDR when they needed it the most.
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>>139781186
th-thanks moderate rebels
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>>139780913
Beatrix was just a murdering cuntbag who wanted to kill as many people as possible. She's like a more evil, destructive Esdeath, perpetuating a bad situation so she'd have an excuse to work out her murder boner. The people who side with her are the same fucking people who think that the holocaust was a good idea. I have no sympathy for her or all her dead underlings; they deserved everything they got and worse.
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>>139781333
t.Suzy
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>>139781084

At that point? DDR was still refusing Western aid, and likely providing very little information to the filthy capitalist pigs.

Later, once the BETA have reached, say, the Rhine, it also becomes a question of whether or not it's actually worth holding beyond what you need to get all the people and what equipment is worth moving out. At that point, you're down to France and Spain; they may not be worth dealing with all of Central Asia and Eastern Europe worth the BETA on open ground. Maybe set up a fortress network in the Pyrenees, but only as a sort of lighting rod for defenses in the East (because mountains > Lasers, Destroyers).

And the U.S. did help come cover the evacuation; read TSFiA 39. It's basically the most manly tears epic win in the entire ML-verse.

>>139781181

Yeah. They were falling apart, but you have to actually notice.
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>>139781533
I think it's the anime's fault, you have to be a little more imaginative to see the bigger weaknesses of the NVA, especially early on.

The LN and VN gave you much more details to work on..
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>>139781181
>>139780913
>>139781333
>>139781533
So was Beatrix just being evil for the sake of being evil then? I'm trying to understand her motivation and be sympathetic to her, but it's looking like she was just an m evil, sadistic Fagiri.
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Not enough.
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>>139781815
the fluffiest
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>>139781809
The director made it very clear he wanted to make the story more cut and dry good vs evil where Theo is the hero Iris is a saint and were not gonna mention how fucked everything is a few months from now because it'd ruin the moment. Its a slice of a larger story told in a very intentional light, you could call it propaganda if you wanna be dramatic about it.
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please dont kill yuzuka Age


please
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>>139781990
Bravo Watanabe
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>>139782316
Don't pin your hopes on a miracle
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>>139781809
Yes and No
She was trying to fulfill Her and Jurgen's ideals at the same time.
She wasn't being evil for the sake of it, rather it's just a sad consequence from her childhood and how the state destroyed any semblance of a life she had.

It's a plan that takes care of both her wishes at the same time.
She wants the people of the DDR to be unified under a military dictatorship in order to combat the BETA, believing that under an iron fist she can control the population better thus eliminating any resistance and in fighting the DDR would have.
So if her little experiment here in the DDR worked out, she hoped the rest of the world could see what a "unified" country could do and adopt similar governments. This would somewhat fulfill Jurgen's side.

On the other hand she also wishes for the destruction of the DDR which robbed her of her lover and future. So while being the leader of the DDR she can commit all of it's population toward the BETA fight thus killing everyone
and causing the destruction of the DDR through technically at the hands of the BETA, thus fulfilling her wish of revenge against the DDR.

It's a gray area, but the anime totally washes over it and makes Beatrix into a straight up villain.
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>>139782440
Genociding the DDR isn't saving people
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>>139782475
I know that very well, but that's what her cohorts believed she was doing
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>>139782316
>set in a world where everything is fucked up more
>not dying

the chance of that happening is very high

S-11 Carrier Ace or the bratty savior cant save anyone now
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>>139782440

>Beatrix wants to genocide millions because mass murder gets her wet.
>Axmann just wants to get ahead in life.

And yet people say Beatrix is better.
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>>139765094
No, routes. You kind of need a full-on route for Lise.
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>>139782316
she looks cute
I may need to read TDA now
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>>139782917
do it anon

dont mind the suffering
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COINCIDENCE?
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>>139782966
I don't know
Hibiki doesn't rub me the right way
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>>139783005
nope. just two sides of the same coin.
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>>139783005
>everything in SM can be boiled down to "snubbed imoutos take revenge"
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>>139783052
he is prettty okay
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the cutest
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>>139783105
The other cutest.
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>>139783105
On spot
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>>139783076
That's... I... Fuck.
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>>139783076
This is what happens when onii-chan doesn't give them enough lovin'
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>>139783076
>Katia destroys the DDR because of all the bad memories
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>>139782440
Honestly, that makes her sound like the most evil person in Muv-Luv. She wants to sacrifice her nation to spread despotism around the world. That seems like something a stupid evil character would do.

I fail to see how she was ever a good person with her mindset and I'm increasingly becoming upset that she wasn't purged or at least completely mind broken when Jurgen was killed.
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>>139783333
>katia
>imouto
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>>139783355
She was pretty much Lise's replacement in Theo's mind the first half of the story
He even treated her as one
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>>139783333
>your ideals are stupid
>I know you like that guy a lot and I'm totally rooting for you but I'm going to flaunt myself in front of him anyway, you need the competition to improve, it doesn't matter if I totally physically outclass you one bit
Why is Iris such an awful bully to Katia?
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>>139781809

As popular as the 'moral grey' thing is...

There is such a thing as evil people. At a certain point, a person's intentions or motivations don't matter. Radical, I know.

Yes, she went through shit. So do a lot of people, both in the real world and even more in the ML-verse. You could argue that she was a product of her environment, but that doesn't change the fact that at no point did she lose her ability to, ultimately, make independent decisions. A person sufficiently removed from reality that they lose independent moral agency is what would be termed 'dangerously insane'.

But those people usually aren't the types who can create complex stratagems, widely motivate followers, or functionally lead an organization. And while they may be pardoned execution, they probably need to be put down.

She may have had a gun to her head and been told to kill, but even then, she retains a choice. There are men and women who make both decisions; one group we call martyrs and heroes, the others are traitors.

And I can assure you that both exist.

So, at the end of the day, I don't really care what her motivations were. She killed far too many people for that, even without considering the probable damage she dealt to the war effort. Remember, it was the Stasi who launched the first coup, and constant surveillance and purging is the bane of the sort of esprit de corps that soldiers almost literally need to endure hellish conditions on that level.

In the end, you can have either Beatrix the mass murderer or Beatrix the rapid dog.

Take your pick.
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>>139783602
I agree. Beatrix is about as evil as you could get. Some people have difficulty with this because she was wrapped in a pretty package, but really, she puts others like even Axmann and Schmidt to shame with her depravity. There isn't one iota of good in her.

She is quite literally one of the most disgusting people I've seen in Muv-Luv. I could imagine her being an SS guard dumping babies into a furnace. Some people don't need to have a reason for evil, they just are.

Age giving her a prequel doesn't change anything. I would kill teenaged Beatrix the same way I'd kill adult Beatrix, just because I am a firm believer that evil such as hers is innate, not learned.

As you pointed out, she's a hypocrite too, as she purposely sabotages Europe's survival just because she's driven by her ego and lust for power while stating she's doing it for "humanity".

If there is nobody more fitting for a gruesome and terrible end, it is Beatrix Brehme.
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>>139783602
I hope she's dead and done for in Extra. She doesn't deserve a happy ending. Lise too, but I'll give her a pass as I think she'd be a good person without Beatrix and Axmann fucking her over.
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>>139761390
>CHAR
It's probably the most retarded thing I've ever seen on 4chan's boards since the day on what slainefags said that Slaine was to second coming of Lelouch

Boy you're so obsessed and trapped in your own delusions, fanwanks, fanfiction, hallucinations and bullshit who you came to believe they were truth.
Char is one of the characters who has one of the biggest quantities of awesome Mecha's action scenes from the Gundam franchise.
Jurgen is not part of the cast of characters from the main novel of schwarzesmarken. He's a character of a side story (prequel). Bernhard im Schatten that was created to give a backstory to Beatrix and Irisdina. Like, that sounds like an excuse she'd give Hiroki to justify the lack of character development and presence in main novel of both girls. Jurgen is a plot device who was created to develop, motivate and give a backstory to Beatrix and Irisdina in Schwarzesmarken.
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>>139781533
>>139781181
>>139780913

The only way you could have a "good end" to the DDR is if you can get Beato and Ursula to work together. Let the west come in to help, but in order to have an orderly withdrawal you need to have the Stasi doing Stasi things to make sure soldiers and essential personnel stay at their posts while the non-essential civilians evacuate. After that, move the essential civilians, that is, factories and their workers. Finally, withdraw the troops. People will stay on the line if they know that
1) their families are going to be safe
2) they will be withdrawn as soon as the evacuation is complete
3)they and their families will be executed if they try to desert.
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>>139784518
Best ending involves killing Beatrix, Axmann, and Schmidt and then getting someone reasonable in power.
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>>139777768
My honor, Lisefag.

To be fair, to be understanding, to truly UNDERSTAND loving and caring, one has to be empathetic in all things. One can rightly judge whether someone was 'wrong' or evil, but to divorce that from the why of the person is to live a lie. Even if in the end, one knows another should die, or must die, that doesn't mean one can't be utterly broken that it had to be this way.

Alas, fate is unkind at times.

>>139778100
>What if
>implying it's not the truth

>>139778113
Wait, that's Jurgen's actual command Mig-21 Iris flies? And then it's parts stuffed in her sister/daughter's Mig-23? Jesus Christ, that's like a whole new level of suffering.

>>139778108
This. Yes it leads to messy outcomes at times, but it's needed to be done. Humanity would collapse otherwise. There will be no freedom, no happier day, unless it is bought in the blood of the righteous.

And America has shed much blood.
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