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Dragon Ball Super Tori-Toyo Interview (Book Version)

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>Now that Dragon Ball Super Volume 1 illustrated by Toyotarō-sensei is in stores, I wanted to interview the two of you. Thank you both for your time.

Toriyama:
Thank you.

Toyotarō:
Thank you, this is an honor!

>This manga mostly consists of the “Universe 6 Arc”. How did you come up with this story?

Toriyama:
With the “Battle of Gods Arc” and “Revival of ‘F’ Arc” it was one tense story after another, so this time I wanted to have something relatively simple and cheerful… That was what got the ball rolling. I figured I should change up the pace.

Toyotarō:
The “Universe 6 Arc” is Dragon Ball‘s first tournament in a long time!

Toriyama:
I had tournaments for a little bit at the very start and end of the “Majin Boo Arc”, but I pretty much left those hanging (laughs).

Toyotarō:
In that last one, Goku took off with Oob in the very first match. [Actually the second match]

Toriyama:
Yeah (laughs). Whenever I go re-read my own manga volumes to think up new story ideas, I’m always amazed at how much I’ve forgotten (laughs).

>Toyotarō-sensei, in your opinion what makes Toriyama-sensei‘s artwork so appealing?

Toyotarō:
I’m not sure I can put it into words, but, well… His characters are perfectly stylized, and his objects are very detailed. With a single image he paints a picture of an entire world… But words just can’t do it justice. There’s an indescribable sense of excitement that pulses through me whenever I read his work!
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>You’ve loved Dragon Ball since you were a child, so how does it feel to be drawing it yourself now?

Toyotarō:
But I’m not! Not at all… The more I draw, the clearer the gap between me and Toriyama-sensei becomes (sweat).

Toriyama:
That’s not true! You might be the closest person to match my art style, even counting the animators.

Toyotarō:
No way!

Toriyama:
You’re really good at composition! It looks so cool; these days there’s no way I could draw such energetic artwork! Whenever I supervise anime and whatnot, there’s always something that bugs me and that I’ll ask to have fixed. But when I look at your storyboards, I can just take it easy. I can give it the OK in no time flat; it really makes things convenient (laughs).

Toyotarō:
Oh no… This whole time I was afraid of adding to your frustrations. Since the original story you give me is text, I constantly have your manga by my side as I draw. I don’t want readers to say it doesn’t feel like Dragon Ball… But at the same time, I also want to stretch my imagination and come up with brand new action and different kind of expressions.

Toriyama:
Just go wild! I won’t mind a bit (laughs).

>Toriyama-sensei, what advice do you have for Toyotarō-sensei?

Toriyama:
Frankly… I’m perfectly satisfied with things the way they’re going (laughs).

Toyotarō:
U-Um… Really? There’s nothing you think needs to be fixed or thrown out? Don’t hold back for my sake… (sweat).

Toriyama:
Hahahaha (loud laughter). Not really… (thinks about it a little bit). Nope, not a thing! Well OK… If I have to say something, then I guess your compositions would be even better if you utilized more diverse angles. Also, I think it would be great if you included more of your own original ideas. I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!
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Toyotaro sounds like he really likes working with Toriyama

Wonder how he's supposed to catch up to the anime though.
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Finally, could you tell us just a little bit about where the story of Dragon Ball Super is heading?

Toriyama:
I’ve got an idea for a story about the “future” of “a certain somebody”. And I’m thinking of combining that together with a new “universe”. It’ll be simple enough for kids to enjoy… hopefully (laughs).

Toyotarō:
“A certain somebody”…It’s someone I’m a huge fan of! I’m really looking forward to it!!
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Tori-Toyo Interview: (Web Version)
>Toyotarō-sensei, what aspect of Toriyama-sensei‘s pictures do you find difficult to draw?

Toyotarō:
Since at first glance Toriyama-sensei‘s pictures are so simple, back when it was running in Jump all us kids felt like we could draw them. But when you actually try, it turns out totally different. No matter what you do, you can’t draw a “real” Goku…

Toriyama:
I suppose that’s true. Heck, even when professional animators draw it, I sometimes feel like they get it wrong (laughs). My style is simple, but I guess that’s actually what makes it so tricky. Perhaps only I truly understand it.
In the “30th Anniversary Dragon Ball Super History Book”, various artists submitted their own Dragon Ball illustrations. Many of them noted how even though the style is so simple, it’s impossible to imitate.

Toriyama:
Well… Even I’m hopeless at imitating other people’s styles (laughs).

>And yet everyone still had a lot of fun drawing their illustrations.

Toriyama:
I’m glad to hear it! I’ll have to thank them if I ever get the chance. Speaking of reproducing my style, Toyotarō-san is amazing at it!

Toyotarō:
No no, not at all! Seriously… The more I draw, the more I realize the gap between us… (sweat).

Toriyama:
Don’t be so hard on yourself! You might actually be the closest to my style. There aren’t many people who can manage that! Well, maybe there are people who can imitate my pictures, but not many artists can pull off an entire chapter the way you can! Your storyboards are really tight!

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.

Toriyama:
That’s right.

Toyotarō:
Since Chapter 1 I’ve used Toriyama-sensei‘s plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.

Toriyama:
It’s better that way.
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>Toyble forgot about Pan vs Mokekko

And this faggot is writing Dragon Ball
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>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotarō-sensei‘s manga as reference.

Toriyama:
Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

Toyotarō:
Really?… I still can’t believe I lucked into this job (sweat).

>Toyotarō-sensei, do you have any questions about the manga for Toriyama-sensei?

Toyotarō:
My question’s so trivial I’m kind of ashamed, but… why does Super Saiyan Blue have blue hair?

Toriyama:
In Battle of Gods it was red, so I figured for Revival of “F” I should go with blue. That’s all (laughs). Well, actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the “next enemy”… so I figured I should save it for another occasion (laughs).

Toyotarō:
… I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?

Toriyama:
Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

Toyotarō:
Ever since Battle of Gods, Beerus and Whis have become central figures.

Toriyama:
If it hadn’t been for those two, making any more story after that would have been a nightmare. There wouldn’t have been anything to expand upon. That’s why I’m so glad to have them around. And their voices are good, too! Those voice artists are so talented!

Toyotarō:
Beerus is voiced by Kōichi Yamadera, and Whis is voiced by Masakazu Morita.
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>I hear that in early drafts of the script for Battle of Gods, Beerus was a more stereotypical God of Destruction, an extremely evil and frightening character. [In Yūsuke Watanabe’s original Battle of Gods script draft (as detailed in an interview with DVD & Blu=ray Vision Magazine), Beerus was a lizard that was responsible for infecting the Saiyans with evil.]

Toriyama:
Yeah, in the early version he did all kinds of bad stuff.

Toyotarō:
But ultimately he changed into being someone who’s still scary, but not actually hateful. More in keeping with the spirit of Dragon Ball, one might say.

Toriyama:
Yeah, thanks to those two the world has expanded out to include other universes. I’m really grateful to the screenwriter who came up with the whole “God of Destruction” idea.

>Could you talk just a bit about where the plot is going to go in future?

Toyotarō:
I’ve read the plot for the new story, and I’m really happy a certain future-related character is going to be involved. I’m a huge fan!

Toriyama:
That’s a pretty popular character! Hopefully the kids will be happy.

>Speaking of children, I’m sure when Toyotarō-sensei was a child he avidly read Toriyama-sensei‘s manga right as it came out. Is any part a particular favorite of yours?

Toyotarō:
I really like the very start of the Majin Boo arc, when Gohan is attending Orange Star High School. I guess because it was so laid back.

Toriyama:
Yeah! I really liked that part too… (laughs)

Toyotarō:
Had you already come up with Majin Boo when you were drawing that part?

Toriyama:
… Nope (laughs). I’m pretty sure I just kept on drawing without a clue Majin Boo was going to turn up. I enjoyed working on that part, but eventually I figured it was time to come up with a new enemy… Even though I would have liked to just go on with the “slice of life” stuff… (laughs)
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>>139701295
If I were Toyotaro I would have asked why Gohan didn't have sparks around him when he fought Dabura.
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(Everyone laughs)
Toyotarō:
Peace is good, too (laughs). I really liked the laid-back outlook of your Savings Warrior Cashman manga that ran in V-Jump, and other things from that period.

>But while the children back then enjoyed the “slice of life” material, they still wanted battles… (laughs)

Toriyama:
They sure did (laughs).

Toyotarō:
While enjoying the everyday stuff, they’re waiting for the battles to come (laughs).
At the time Son Gohan was turning into the main character, wasn’t he?

Toriyama:
Yeah! I figured Goku was getting old, and it was time to switch over to the next generation.

Toyotarō:
That’s what Goku himself said in the Majin Boo arc.

Toriyama:
But drawing Gohan’s daily life made me gradually realize he likes studying more than fighting (laughs). Later on he even lost his dōgi (laughs).

Toyotarō:
Now he’s fulfilled his childhood dream and become a fine scholar.

>So far Dragon Ball Super has followed Toriyama-sensei‘s plot, but I think it might be interesting for Toyotarō-sensei to become more involved with the story-writing process from here on out!
Toriyama:
Good idea!! I bet it’ll make it more interesting to include Toyotarō-sensei‘s original ideas.

Toyotarō:
T-That’s so much pressure… (sweat). But I think it’ll be really cool to help Dragon Ball someday reach its final chapter.

Toriyama:
Oh, that’s good! People will go “Wow, Toriyama-sensei planned it all out from the beginning!” and I’ll look really cool (laughs).


On a personal note, I'm a big fan of the Great Saiyaman stuff too
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>>139701362
>it's actually future pan
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>>139701444
Gohanfags BTFO

im so glad that we can have future trunks again
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38 - The martial arts tournament between Universe 6 and Universe 7 with Earth on the line. Vegeta's last opponent is Hit, the strongest man of Universe 6. Vegeta, watching Hit's eerily calm demeanor, is quite sure he's strong. Hit is an assassin proud to have the greatest skill of Universe 6.

39

Version 1:

"The counterattack of the developed "Tokitobashi" (Time Skipping?)!?
Will it appear!? Goku's new technique!"

Vegeta challenges Hit using Super Saiyajin Blue but Hit's technique, "Tokitobashi", deals a barrage of hits in his vital points and makes him faint. Son Goku is able to guess how Hit's "Tokitobashi" works and thus, while in Super Saiyajin Blue state, he also challenges Hit.
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ACTUAL SPOILERS: DO NOT READ AT OWN RISK


Version 2:

"The growing Hit, Goku at his peak" (Provisional)


Hit can skip time but only for 0.1 seconds. Estimating past those 0.1 seconds, Goku defeated the "Tokitobashi". But, Hit continues to grow (stronger?) while in battle. So, Goku breaks the seal of the Kaiouken and shoots a Kamehame Ha!

40 "Conclusion" (Provisional) - The martial arts tournament againts Universe 6 that wages on Earth has finally come to a close. In an outburst of anger, Champa wants to destroy his defeated contestants. Cabba and the others are frozen in fear. At that time, the one who appeared on the ring is...
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>>139701561
>it's actually future pan
I severely and highly doubt that
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>>139701958
>>139702005
BASED
A
S
E
D
If Goku can do this it means he's way ahead of Vegeta.
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>>139702005
kaioken
The what?
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>>139702005
>So, Goku breaks the seal of the Kaiouken
>Gouk breaks the seal of the Kaiouken

Oohhhhhhhhh maaaaaaaan
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>>139702005
kaioken
was about time
we haven't seen this since namek
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>>139702005
Seal of the KaiOuKen.
Asspull.
So now he is going to surpass Vegeta, again.
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>>139703207
I don't see how it is.

If he uses it for only like a few seconds it shouldn't be too taxing
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>>139703207
They were training for 3 years. Wouldn't he have taught Vegeta how to use it.
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>>139703484
It was said that SS could not use KaiouKen.
Anyway, what seal?

>>139703517
I don't think he did.
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>>139703575
>It was said that SS could not use KaiouKen.
What?
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>>139703575
>It was said that SS could not use KaiouKen.
It was? When

>Anyway, what seal?
I think they're being dramatic because it has not been used in literally over a decade
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K A I O K E N
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O
K
E
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>>139701024
>Whenever I go re-read my own manga volumes to think up new story ideas, I’m always amazed at how much I’ve forgotten
I wish we could burry any idea of canon making things good, even Toriyame doesn't give a shit.
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>>139703612
>>139703616

I might misremember.
If I am wrong I am sorry, still I feel like that was said.

>I think they're being dramatic because it has not been used in literally over a decade

I still don't get how it can surpass Blue.
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>>139701295
>Well, actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the “next enemy
BASED BABY IS COMING BACK
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>>139701958
I guess this means that the next ep might be entirely Pssshhhh vs Veggie?
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>>139703746
>If I am wrong I am sorry, still I feel like that was said.
It's one of those things that is constantly repeated across the fandom but isn't actually true
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>>139703746
Probably Blue getting augmented by a Kaioken to surprise Hit, giving Goku a speed boost or something.
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>>139703746
He is using SSB + Kaioken. It's Super Kaioken Blue!
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>>139703207
>Asspull
Retard pls
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>>139703818
Red + Blue = Purple.

SSJP coming soon.
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Fun fact: If the timing is right, the U6 tournament will be the same length as the Baba tournament
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In Japan, are the Saiyans called Saiyanjins or just Saiyans?
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>>139703575
>It was said that SS could not use KaiouKen.
nobody ever said this
ssj was better in every way so he stopped using it
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>>139703961
Super Saiyajin.
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>>139702005
>Hit can skip time but only for 0.1 seconds. Estimating past those 0.1 seconds
KING CRIMSON
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>>139703633

Kaio wha-
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>>139703961
It's Saiya-jin

Saiya is vegetable (Yasai) backwards
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>>139703961
-jin basically means person from [place] so Americans are Americajin.

Saiyan is just a natural translation of that
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>>139704034
Oh fuck me
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>>139704037
>>139704034
Thanks.
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>>139704060
Wait, you seriously didn't get that?

Damn man, look up all the other word puns in Dragon Ball. There's like a bajillion of them. You know Magetta is a combination of "Mazinger" and "Getter [robo]" right?
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>>139704166
I was a filthy dubfag because of muh nostalgia until DBS began so I kinda overlooked stuff like that.
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So it's pretty much confirmed that Gohan will get more focus soon, right?
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>>139704272
s-sure, anon.
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>>139704272

>>139701444
>Toyotarō:
>While enjoying the everyday stuff, they’re waiting for the battles to come (laughs).
>At the time Son Gohan was turning into the main character, wasn’t he?
>Toriyama:
>Yeah! I figured Goku was getting old, and it was time to switch over to the next generation.
>Toyotarō:
>That’s what Goku himself said in the Majin Boo arc.
>Toriyama:
>But drawing Gohan’s daily life made me gradually realize he likes studying more than fighting (laughs). Later on he even lost his dōgi (laughs).
>Toyotarō:
>Now he’s fulfilled his childhood dream and become a fine scholar.

>Now he’s fulfilled his childhood dream and become a fine scholar.
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>>139704272
Yeah sure anon.

Sure he is
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>>139701295

>Next enemy

Freeza from RoF or someone not yet revealed?
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>>139702005
What is it with anime villains and time-manipulation powers? They're everywhere.
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>>139704614
probably the guy who will appear after the tournament.
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>>139701958
>>139702005
>timeskippimg
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>>139704698
pss nothing personel kid
*stops time and moves behind you*
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>>139704698
Araki said that he always felt that the ultimate power was to control time, hence why DIO, Kira, Diavolo, and Pucci all have time powers.
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>>139704758
>Hit can skip time
>His head has what looks like the head of a penis on it.
>He has a head on his head

Confirmed King Crimson
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>>139702005

MONAKA STEPS INTO THE RING AND DESTROYS CHAMPA
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>>139704698
Hit is not a villain.
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>>139704968
Not in the context of the story maybe but isn't he a literal assassin?
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Really I'm just glad to hear Toriyama has plans for after the tournament
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>no monaka fight

also kai of time will appear because of hit disturbing time or some shit
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>>139704886
goku confirmed for beating king crimson
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>>139705007
It's just a job.
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>>139702005
>Looks like I have to use "that"
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>>139705098

Nah Monaka will step into the ring and use poker face to scare Champa.
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>>139705098
It's quite obvious he is the one who will fight Champa.
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>>139702005

Is it possible that this is fake again?
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>>139703752

BEBIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>139705464
TV listings often come out like this and are usually correct.

It's a lot of effort to fake for little reason.
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>>139704758
Hit just works.
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>>139703752
vados would be more plausible
she is shady as fuck
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>>139705661
You mean sexy as fuck
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>>139705671
that too
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>>139705464
Bro, those are TV listing
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Isn't Monaka just Beerus's version of Hero?
>http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Hero
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>>139705762
Hard to tell. They're playing him as some sort of joke to cover for the fact that Beerus is tsun as fuck about Goku possibly being his biggest challenge ever, but there's still a lingering doubt that he is infact legit.

Shit, maybe the twist is that he actually beat Beerus but it was when he was younger and weaker.
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>>139703207
>So now he is going to surpass Vegeta, again.
For the few seconds Kaioken is active.
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>>139704801
Ringo and DIEGO, too.
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>>139706100
And Joshuu
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>>139706179
Huh? No.
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>>139706214
Just you wait Anon ;^)
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>>139701024
>I’m always amazed at how much I’ve forgotten (laughs)

Oh geez
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>>139702005
>Kaio-Ken
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>>139701362
>Toyotarō:
>Had you already come up with Majin Boo when you were drawing that part?

>Toriyama:
>… Nope (laughs). I’m pretty sure I just kept on drawing without a clue Majin Boo was going to turn up. I enjoyed working on that part, but eventually I figured it was time to come up with a new enemy… Even though I would have liked to just go on with the “slice of life” stuff… (laughs)

I love reading these interviews where Toriyama admits he didn't really think about this stuff in advance, it just happened. It makes things look so much more sensible in retrospect
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>>139704391
So Toriyama forgot the part where it was ChiChi pushing the scholar shit on him for much of his life.

Doesn't surprise me. He's forgotten bigger things.
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>>139706707
Probably why the Gohan slice of life was so good. He was doing what he wanted so he enjoyed doing it and the quality went up for it
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>>139706836
>So Toriyama forgot the part where it was ChiChi pushing the scholar shit on him for much of his life.
Bullshit. Gohan wanted it himself and never liked to fight.
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>>139706836
>forgetting one Gohan's first appearances on a chapter cover isn't about how he wanted to become a scholar
Is that you Toriyama?
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>>139706895
Take a step back for a moment and look at ChiChi. You don't see her often in the manga, especially Saiyan-Namek-Cell era, but when you do, she's usually doing stuff like this.

Now remember that she has years of uninterrupted influence on Gohan.
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>>139706836
Gohan has wanted to be a scholar ever since he was a kid, which is why he cried when Piccolo kidnapped him to fight during the Saiyan Arc.

Not to mention Gohan doing basically no training whatsoever after Cell died.
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every fucking thread
>gohan wanted to be a scholar
>no he didn't it was chichi
>gohan never liked fighting
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>>139707184
>Gohanfags don't even understand the character they're bitching about
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>>139707275
yeah but they really should stop beating that dead horse
its been discussed to the ground already
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>>139706836
>>139707039

Okay so let's pretend that Gohan didn't want to be a scholar since literally the first chapter we saw him. Even if we pretend Chi-Chi was "indoctrinating" him his whole life, how does that change the fact that even as a grown adult, he still went to school and became a scholar with a wife and kids? I mean Gohan is a grown-ass man and after Goku died against Cell, Chi-Chi let up and even let Goten train with her, so certainly by that point any sense of "indoctrination" is gone.

My point is, when he's an adult he could literally do anything he wanted including train. But he decided to have a wife and kids instead. The only way you could think that he is still suffering some kind of being forced to do this is if you pretend Gohan is as dumb as Goku and can only focus on one thing
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>>139707039
>>139706836
Gohan being torn between making his mom happy and making his dad proud would have been a better way to portray his character, but it might be too late now.
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>>139701137
>he thinks it'd be about alternate universe trunks

nigga you stupid?
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>>139707459
That goes right back to how she raised him. With her logic being "studying is more important than the Earth surviving," Gohan has to completely give up fighting so she screams less and studying becomes the top thing that matters to him. He doesn't even make time to visit Piccolo.
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>>139707666
Actually I think it would be Time Patrol Trunks
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>>139707554
It was too late over 20 years ago
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>>139707554
didn't Gohan say he wanted to be a scholar on the very first chapter of the Z saga before Raditz showed up?
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>>139707707
>He doesn't even make time to visit Piccolo.
Because he does it for him

>>139707734
He'll just say Chi-Chi brainwashed him
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>>139707719
>the shitty trunks version
pls no
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>>139701561

I would be very ok with it.
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>>139707734
He can want both, can't he?
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>>139707734
Nope. First, Goku explains ChiChi doesn't allow arts at all and makes him study.

Gohan doesn't say anything about wanting to be a scholar until after Goku's dead, and Piccolo's telling him he's going to learn how to fight.
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>Super Kaioken
>SUPER KAIOKEN BLUE
Yes
YES
YES!
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>>139707719
its like you didnt even watch ep37
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>>139707971
What does that have to do wtih anything?
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>>139702005
I like it, characters are so fast that they can do a lot in 0.1 of stop time, but, Seal of the Kaioken... what? Are we going to see buffed Goku?
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>>139707886
He does.
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>>139707886
>>139707886
at 17:50 he says he wants to become a "great scholar"
If you can find me a japanese version of the chapter (which is hard to find) I'll gladly translate it to see what it initially said.
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>>139707886
>
Gohan doesn't say anything about wanting to be a scholar until after Goku's dead, and Piccolo's telling him he's going to learn how to fight.

Next page is literally Bulma asking "Hey Gohan how old are you" and "What do you wanna do when you grow up?".
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>>139708018
But not until after Piccolo's telling him his dad's dead and he's going to learn how to fight.

Books sound pretty good to anyone at that point.
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>>139708091
forgot link to episode 1
http://gogoanime.io/dragon-ball-kai-episode-1
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>Interview with Toris and spoilers
>Gohanfags make it about themselves again
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>>139708177
considering the interview talked about Gohan and his passions and his future, even going so far to say their favourite chapters were his "slice of life" chapters, it's warranted to have some discussion about him.
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>B-but Chi-Chi forced him into being a scholar
Then Piccolo forced him into being a fighter
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>>139708308
Oh wow, one part of the interview and it was talking about how Toriyama and Toyotaro were fans of the Great Saiyaman arc of the story. Such discussion.
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>>139708091
You mean this page?
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>>139708410
lol says right there he wants to be a great scholar.
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>>139708133
Here's that scene
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daily reminder that gohan will never be relevant anymore no matter what you say gohanfags
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>>139702005
>time skip

Huh? What does that mean, 'skip time for .1 seconds'? You mean like stop time? How do you measure out .1 seconds while time is stopped?

Is it like that Futurama episode where time was skipping forward by hours or days at a time? If so, how does this help in a fight, the events still happen just no one knows how/what exactly transpired
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>>139708482
nothing in that page, mind linking the next page?
If all fails at least he mentioned it on the chapter cover.
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>>139708526
fancy way of saying *teleports behind you*
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>>139708575
Nah, he doesn't say it here either.
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>>139708526
by being very fast
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>>139708593
Pshh nothing personnel kid.
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>>139708315

Colored manga where?
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>>139708633
hmm I guess they baked in the chapter cover's line into that conversation.
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Hit moves 0.1 seconds faster than time itself. Best believe it.
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>>139708526
IT

JUST

WORKS
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>>139708315
I guess I'll post this one while I'm at it
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>>139708593
>teleports behind ou

Oh. that's kind of underwhelming, Goku's had Instant Transmission for decades.

>>139708634
What confuses me is what exactly does 'time skipping' entail. If it does follow futurama logic this should give him an edge in a fight, it doesn't prevent opponents from fighting during the time-skip
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>>139708526
>>139708742
you can see 0.1s in the future and prepare for it
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>>139701024
>>139701444
>Toriyama:Yeah (laughs). Whenever I go re-read my own manga volumes to think up new story ideas, I’m always amazed at how much I’ve forgotten (laughs).
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! People will go “Wow, Toriyama-sensei planned it all out from the beginning!” and I’ll look really cool (laughs).

based Toriyama not givin' a fug
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>>139701137
>I’ve got an idea for a story about the “future” of “a certain somebody”. And I’m thinking of combining that together with a new “universe”. It’ll be simple enough for kids to enjoy… hopefully (laughs).
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>>139707039
>I don't care about the earth, I only care about your future.
Is this women retarded?
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>>139708886
>not cell
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>>139708922
>woman
>retarded

pick both
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What if the future-related character is Taino?
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>>139708977
dubs of truth
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>>139708526
Never read JoJo, your brain couldn't handle it.
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>>139708922
Not even bulma is this retarded
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>>139709009
Hello, UraRenge2005.
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>>139708526
I could see how it worked well in JoJo, since Diavolo had 10 seconds of timeskipping to work with.

0.1 seems entirely useless.
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>>139708922
Chichi is acts stupid but that's because she represents a protective mother figure that is raw emotion and passion not logical thinking.
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>>139702005
>Goku defeats Hit with Kamehame Ha
Wow what a surprise.
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>>139709347
DB characters are fast plus I'm sure he's experienced with the technique. It's useless to you only because it's wasted on a normal person.
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>>139702005
>No Monaka fighting
0/10
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>>139709325
Man, I wish I was that good at drawing.

I'd flood the world with Taino lewds.
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>>139709461
I actually know the guy. I just figured you were him because no one else spams Taino like he does.
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Kaioken is red
Super saiyan is blue
Soo....Goku's gonna give us a super saiyan god PURPLE!!
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>>139708976
The animators are too lazy to bring him back.
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>>139709515
I didn't know there was anyone else who even remembers her.

What a man. I'd love him tenderly.
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>>139708000
I guess the Kaioken seal is the limit King Kai told him not to go past? I dunno; he already passed that on Namek with Kaioken x10 and x20.

Maybe it's Kaioken x50?
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>>139709678
what the fuck?
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>>139705671
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>>139709678
Will this guy ever be relevant again?
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>>139709849
Who?
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>>139709347
>0.1 seems entirely useless.
DB characters are FTL
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>>139701362
>Toyotarō:
>I really like the very start of the Majin Boo arc, when Gohan is attending Orange Star High School. I guess because it was so laid back.
>Toriyama:
>Yeah! I really liked that part too… (laughs)
>Toyotarō:
>Had you already come up with Majin Boo when you were drawing that part?
>Toriyama:
>… Nope (laughs). I’m pretty sure I just kept on drawing without a clue Majin Boo was going to turn up. I enjoyed working on that part, but eventually I figured it was time to come up with a new enemy… Even though I would have liked to just go on with the “slice of life” stuff… (laughs)


This makes perfect sense and I think it was something everyone already knew just from the tone in the manga, Toriyama again confirms he enjoys more doing silly SoL stuff than pure fighting.
And I agree those chapters were probably my favorite ones too.
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>>139709849
He will be in the future
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>>139709453
I bet Monoka is gonna be the one who steps in the ring and saves them from Champa. If not him, then Beerus or Whis.
Beerus will probably get tired of his shit, or Whis will just feel sorry for them.
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>>139702005

Wow so now the power-ups fuse together?
SSJBlue is SSJGod with SSJ
Now we have SSJBlue with kaioken
Next thing is something with Oozaru?
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>>139709945
The little bitch Gohan
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>>139709849
As a punching bag for the next villain, maybe.
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>>139709967
he lost an arm and died like a bitch to a piece of junk in that future
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>>139710116
Again, I ask: Who? Sounds disappointing.
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>>139710097
We can only wish anon.
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God this fanbase is filled with shitheads
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>>139710116
Considering Toyotaro and Toriyama confirms they want to tie it all in and incorporate the Epilogue of Z into Super, he will get jacked again.
Compared to Trunks and Goten who have slacked off Gohan is in great shape.
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>>139710097
What if.. We had a golden, SSJ oozaru.. That turns Goku into an oozaru Super Sayian?
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>>139710137
What's your point? That timeline means nothing, in ours he defeated Cell.
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I want to fuck Vados.
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>>139710322
>cell
weakest z villain now
he also became a little bitch who barely can go ssj
gohan a shit
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>>139710456
>weakest Z villain now

Raditz.
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>>139710456
resorting to shitposting is still shitposting.
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>>139710645
who?
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>>139710456
The robbers that Gohan fought on the way to school
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>>139710157
Saiyan Yamcha
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>>139710456
>weakest z villain now
Isn't cell suppose to be the strongest since he has both saiyan and frieza dna inside him.
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Sorta hype for Future Trunks. We don't know what happened to him after all these years. Hope they don't fuck it up.
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>>139711315

He has the potential to be the strongest, but he's the technical weakest.
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>>139711659
I hope he was able to revive the 16 from his world, if only so we can have a T-800/John Conner relationship.
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>>139712098
Damn, even weaker than Raditz?
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>>139701444
TRIPS FOR GOHAN

Anyways, this doesn't disprove Gohan being the "certain someone" character that has a future in Super. They're just stating things we already knew.

Gohan is the only character to have the kind of development to be brought back into relevance. His training, not being at the tournament and getting his ass kicked for three episodes couldn't have been for nothing.
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>>139712767
I think people are looking too deeply and taking it to literally when they said a "character related to the future"
That means more immediate attention to current Gohan moving onto EoZ, and hopefully after that making young Trunks on a path to be cool like Future Trunks.
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>>139712907
I meant to say "for me that means I'd like to see Gohan and current Trunks get development.
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>>139712907
>"and I’m really happy a certain future-related character is going to be involved."

The wording of the translation (and also the original wording according to the translator himself) suggest very strongly that they're talking about a character from a "future" as in a future time period, not just "future" as in the upcoming chapters of the series.
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Animefags BTFO

>>139701094
>Toyotarō:
>But I’m not! Not at all… The more I draw, the clearer the gap between me and Toriyama-sensei becomes (sweat).

>Toriyama:
>That’s not true! You might be the closest person to match my art style, even counting the animators.

>>139701197
>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.

>Toriyama:
>That’s right.

>Toyotarō:
>Since Chapter 1 I’ve used Toriyama-sensei‘s plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.

>Toriyama:
>It’s better that way.

>>139701295
>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotarō-sensei‘s manga as reference.

>Toriyama:
>Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!
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>>139713309
i read it in japanese, it could easily be the future of the franchise.
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When will a revived Future Gohan fuse will Normal Gohan?
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>>139711659
>We don't know what happened to him after all these years.
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>>139714353
We're talking about Super's canon not spinoffs.
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>>139711659
I like Future Trunks but I have mix feelings about him returning. I don't want him to get ruined in this new series like other characters.
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>>139714488

>implying Supreme Kawaii of Time isn't going to appear in Super with her slave saiyan
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>>139714353
XV isn't canon
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>>139714693
i hope not
timepatrol trunks is shit
even worse than gt trunks
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>>139714353
>>139714693
>>139714747

I don't know what that shit is and I think I don't want to know.
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>>139714848
Xenoverse
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>>139714848

>not wanting a verse where Trunks gets free loli kai pussy
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>>139715066
>"free"
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>>139715066
>implying he gets any
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>>139714848

Trunks got "detained" by the "Time patrol" because Time travelling is against the universe rules and, as a payback, he now works with them as a Time Patroller.

He's more badass than what that gif shown. It was the 1st scene made purposelly to make Trunks feel akward.
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>>139715066
he wageslaves for it

it's not a fair ending for such migthy warrior and adventurer.
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>>139711659
Shin Budokia 2 always made me wonder how he handled Babidi in his timeline
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>>139709678
thanks
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>>139709347
Dragon ball characters are fast as fuck thought.
They can do much more on 0.1 seconds than Diavolo on 10.
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>>139716262
Question, how does babidi charges his thing to ress majin in trunks timeline?
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>>139716262
Babadi came when he was a kid
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>>139713311
and thats bad because?
Is good news that they are basing the anime into the manga and we also know which guy is going to further develop the series after toriyama decides to take a vacation to the otherworld
Poor Nano Oishii or whatever is the name of the chick who did that bardock spinoff
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>>139715066
>Every night, Kai of Time asks Trunks to wear a saiyan armor and a Bardock wig before having sex
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>>139717271
>Expecting doc or the prince of jobbers to win

You're a retard, anon
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>>139702005
>Super Saiyan Kaioken

They literally did this on the Otherworld Tournament filler. The only difference is that now he has God Ki.
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>>139711659
future trunks should have become the protagonists.trying to get back to his original time-line whilst helping those in need on alternate universes.
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>>139717369
I was hoping to see Goku forfeit because he's interested in Monaka.
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>>139717536
>40 "Conclusion" (Provisional) - The martial arts tournament againts Universe 6 that wages on Earth has finally come to a close. In an outburst of anger, Champa wants to destroy his defeated contestants. Cabba and the others are frozen in fear. At that time, the one who appeared on the ring is...

Just wait
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>>139717369
>the prince of jobbers
Vegetable is not a jobber
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>>139714488
Toriyama came up with the time patrol concept for Dragonball Online. Really, if Trunks gets involved with the main story again, he likely will be reusing that concept, otherwise his return to the present likely will be very random.
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When do they fuck
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>>139717536
Monaka can still do something. The arc isn't over yet
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>>139717701
I know he had to whip up a story for that game, that doesn't make it any less of a spin off.
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>>139717738
Monaka isn't strong I thought that was made obvious
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>>139717764
Sure, but considering how the idea came from Toriyama, and it's a perfect excuse to involve Trunks in the present again, I don't see why you're dismissing the possibility of him using it in the main series itself.
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>>139717600
I think it's gonna be Vados to set her up as the next villain.
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>>139717859
you implied as if it was canon, which it isn't. It is pure speculation if they incorporate his story from that game universe. I didn't dismiss the "possibility" at all, I'm just being real and separating canon from non canon.
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>>139717859
It doesn't fit the manga. You probably don't remember this, but three years after Trunks killed the Androids his time machine gathered enough energy for a return trip and he killed Cell. Then he presumably went back in time to tell the main universe people that he was successful. This doesn't make sense if during that three year timeskip he went on crazy adventures where he met everyone again.
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>>139710097
except super saiyan blue is super saiyan utilizing the god ki technique, it has nothing to do with super saiyan god. they are seperate
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Both knock each other out the ring and Monaka wins by default (nipples hercule)
just watch
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>>139718542
you just contradicted yourself. To go blue you need to have awaken a spark of God essence within yourself. Whether that's by ritual or by being in the god essence infused room of spirit and time like Vegeta. Either way saying it has "nothing" to do with SSG is false.
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>>139711659
Earth was destroyed and he fled. The 7th universe is just 20 years ahead.
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>>139718770
no, to go blue you have to prevent your ki from leaking while in a super saiyan state. super saiyan god has nothing to do with super saiyan blue, they are completely seperate and one is not needed for the other. their was no contradiction. try again.

also, to clarify further for your puny mind, goku recieved a power boost to his base power. it was god ki basically transformed into normal ki, meaning it was like a boost to his mana without the god ki technique, its not god ki.

vegeta has always had a large amount of ki, whiz even says he has a lot of it and that he doesnt know how to control it so he'll never get further. the knowing how to control it, foreshadowing to the god ki technique. this time, the boost was not a power boost but a technique, which results in a power boost.
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>>139718770
>god essence infused room of spirit and time
Nice headcanon senpai
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>>139719134
no idea where he's getting at there, in their sparring before that room they showed a spark of blue and the anime + manga say its a technique of stopping your ki from leaking.
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>>139719134
they were surrounded in god ki or something, maybe not god ki. but the only way to move was by using the god ki technique of stopping your ki from leaking, so maybe it was a suction room that sucks your ki out?
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>>139719134
did you even watch the anime?
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>>139719299
you didnt, because look here
>>139719261
it couldve been a ki vacuum to teach them to stop their ki from leaking. it wasn't a room of spirit and time, it seems to of had a 1:1 time ratio, although i dont remember.
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>>139719406
>it seems to of had a 1:1 time ratio, although i dont remember.
you're wrong and you don't know shit.
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>>139719448
then provide the proof that it has dilated time affect. otherwise, by default, time is a 1:1 ratio. you look like a fool until you provide your evidence
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>>139719531
http://gogoanime.io/dragon-ball-super-episode-22
Episode 22, timestamp: 15:18
This is where they not only directly state it's filled with God Ki, but it is exactly the same as the the Hyperbolic time chamber and that's why they have to escape before they starve to death .
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>>139719715
doesnt change the fact that the god ki technique is preventing your ki from leaking
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>>139719715
so your strawman about the time ratio and god ki infused chamber was right, but the same time stamp proved the original, only important argument correct.
your loss
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>>139718638
>episode 38
>screenplay: Yoshitaka Toshio
>storyboard, episode director: Hatano Kouhei
>animation director: Tate Naoki
>episode 39
>screenplay: King Ryuu
>storyboard, episode director: Nakamura Ryouta
>animation director: Kitano Yukihiro

Oh boy, can't wait for episode 38.
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>>139712342
this is like the best (only) animated scene in super
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>>139719928
looks like you didnt watched episode 12 m8
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>>139719767
Just admit you're the one making shit up you idiot. There is no "god ki technique" matter of fact it's barely even explained how Vegeta becomes Blue.
What you're completely disregarding is Goku's direct quotation which refers to SSGSS as a Super Saiyan that has attain god essence.
>>139719885
this picture proves absolutely nothing because you're taking it out of context. Him needing to control his Ki from leaking inside that staff has nothing to do with anything.
You needing to take a quote out of context just to justify your headcanon "god technique" just goes to show how much of an imposer you are.
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>>139714353
he is slowly getting the gt personnality
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>>139719984
explained right here
>>139719885
vegeta literaly explains how it works... and the first time they transform they concentrate and stop their aura from leaking
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>>139719984
him needing to stop his ki from leaking is the training whiz just made them do, so they could use god ki. meaning, by use of simple deduction, that picture explains the god ki technique. sorry you're probably one of the broly retards/dragon ball youtube comment people pls leave
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>>139720043
All Vegeta did was explain he needs to control his ki from leaking. That doesn't prove anything.
Explain to me how this has "nothing to do with Super Saiyan God" when clearly they state that the room is infused with god essence, something the ritual sparked within Goku.
Goku outright explains it to Frieza in the next episode, there's literally nothing to debate over.
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>>139720157
why would goku need to go to the room to train if he already had god ki?
god ki isnt something received, its a technique. im done explaining to you because you keep presenting the same argument over and over
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>>139719971
yeah, I saw the movies and got bored with the filler and the mirror fighting, I guess I should watch the fight then
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>>139720096
>by use of simple deduction, that picture explains the god ki technique
so you're saying everything you're saying is head-canon. Gotcha.
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>>139720157
>>139720204
http://gogoanime.io/dragon-ball-super-episode-24
Timestamp: 20:40
Kaio-sama explains that Goku has become a Super Saiyan God without a ritual, clearly stating that the two forms are related (not that it takes a genius to put 2 together considering it's named after one another)
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>>139712342
so the animu is ahead of the mango?

what kind of back asswards shit is this?
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>>139720336
>http://gogoanime.io/dragon-ball-super-episode-24
what the fuck does he know about god ki? he doesnt use god ki, and what he mean is power wise, he barely lost power. he absorbed the power and made it his own, and his power could not utilize god ki, which is a technique. not even beerus has mastered the technique yet, whiz states. meaning, no way that shitty kaoi who taught kaoiken knows god ki. hes not really a god. your argument doesnt stand
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>>139720433
>resorting to shitposting
Just admit your headcanon doesn't mean shit. There is no magical "god technique" it's all about god essence and until you can prove your head canon about this so called technique, frankly it doesn't fucking exist.
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>>139720433
I think an idiot like you should start with the basics.
Try reading this.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_God_Super_Saiyan
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>>139720574
>calls someone an idiot
>links dragonball wiki

pot meet kettle
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>>139720856
I'm just stating that even the biggest retard knows that SSG and SSGSS are fucking related. It doesn't take a fucking genius to figure that out.
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>>139708922
Think of it more like saying
"I don't care if we all die, I don't want my fucking 5 year old at ground Zero of the alien attack."
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>>139720346
The manga exists to promote the anime
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>>139701444
>Toyotarō:
>While enjoying the everyday stuff, they’re waiting for the battles to come (laughs).
>At the time Son Gohan was turning into the main character, wasn’t he?
>Toriyama:
>Yeah! I figured Goku was getting old, and it was time to switch over to the next generation.
>Toyotarō:
>That’s what Goku himself said in the Majin Boo arc.
>Toriyama:
>But drawing Gohan’s daily life made me gradually realize he likes studying more than fighting (laughs). Later on he even lost his dōgi (laughs).
>Toyotarō:
>Now he’s fulfilled his childhood dream and become a fine scholar.

Gohan is still Yamcha level in the fields of education compared to Bulma, Gero and Dr. Briefs. Bulma is literally a Beerus like figure, while Gohan is Yamcha. Maybe Gohan should try poker or skateboarding or any other shit where he isnt the biggest loser at.
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>>139720907
tbqh senpai i kinda thought SSG (red form at least) was somehow related to the kaioken

like the kaioken granted limited access to god mode, which is why its so stressful on the body and king kai couldnt master it, and why it was red ofc

wouldnt be surprised if this new shit is somehow related in that way

it is kinda odd how they glossed over ssj red so fast and just moved on to ssj blue
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>trains for a year with a the strongest being in the universe to close the gap between himself and goku
>gets BTFO by a purple DIOldo
>the very same man he has dedicated his life to surpassing goes "Oh, btw, I can make myself twice as strong as you at will."

Being the prince is suffering.
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>>139707886
See I always just kinda saw this as Chi-chi not wanting to train him so young. I mean both her and Goku are martial artists but Chi-chi just wanted him to not be a stupid hick like they are.
Then again I'm probably giving her too much credit.
She definitely chilled out in Buu saga though.
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>>139721259
>lol dat word filter
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>>139721259
Well if the spoilers are true we might get more interesting lore building on the use of the Kaioken and the supposed "seal" he had on it.
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>>139721412
I think you're taking the "seal" part too seriously.

I think it's just a dramatic way of saying "Goku's using it after god knows how long"
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>Veggie loses to hit
>Goku wins to hit
>U7 wins
>Champa gets pissed off and tries to destroy his team
>Monaka steps in and destroys Champa with his hidden power
>Monaka replaces Champa as a the new U6 God of Destruction
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>>139720856
lol i couldnt take him seriously after he posted that
the article links to some spin off g ame form and pretends it exists in the anime when no narrative says anything about it
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>>139721519
Yep I agree with what you're saying but either way I'm excited for how they incorporate Kaioken back into the current story.
They can easily retcon the red aura to be related to god essence like someone else stated above because of Kaio-sama is other worldly to begin with.
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>>139709461
>>139709009
>>139709612
I don't know how you could forget Taino when /dbg/ was a thing when people pretended to say it's a man because of the translation error
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>>139721519
they might add a new mechanic to kaoi ken, like how the super saiyans new mechanic is the god ki technique
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>>139721666
aren't you the guy that thought SS Blue had nothing to do with SSG?
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>>139721718
>new mechanic is the god ki technique
stop making up techniques retard.
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>>139721666
No one has taken your dumb ass seriously ever since you stated SSBlue "has nothing to with super saiyan god"
fuck off retard
>>139718542
>it has nothing to do with super saiyan god.
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>>139721883
they both have god ki as a thing being used, but super saiyan god
has nothing to do with
super saiyan blue
hence how vegeta got the form too
get more people to back up your false information, doesnt change the raw truth. just like how physical materials dont exist in the way you think it does, the universe is all information, think like a virtual world is all info but you can interpret it as physical with your screen, this world is all data interpreted by your brain
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>>139721764
explain
>>139719885
retard
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>>139702005
Monaka vs Champa

Holy fuck
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>>139722130
Super Saiyan Blue can only be achieved after you somehow spark god essence within yourself. The closest detail we've ever gotten about Vegeta transforming on his own is after he absorbed god essence in the God essence infused room of spirit and time. Just because he never went through the ritual doesn't automatically disassociate the two forms. There's a reason it's fucking called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan you dumb ass.

The ritual in the first arc was the only thing we knew that sparked that god essence within Goku but now we know there is alternate ways to spark god essence within someone thanks to Vegeta.

>>139722202
Vegeta calming down and not letting his Ki leak is not a "god technique" you dumb fucking head canon faggot.
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>>139708526
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1gSllLhjSLc
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>>139722397
except your theory is wrong, because when vegetable and carrotcack were sparring BEFORE the planet, we were foreshadowed super saiyan blue in the manga on whiz/beerus planet with a blue spark!
god essence is in everyone, the closest i could explain it is that they channel their ki inwards and it becomes more dense and turns into god ki, almost like atom fusing.

however, knowing toriyama
its more like this
"they channel ki inwards"
"makes god ki boom magic"
the hair is blue only to signify it isnt super saiyan, no explanation for the color change.
most of it isnt explained, the only thing we know for sure is they were put into that dense god ki room to train to keep their ki inside, because they could not move without the god ki technique/stoppin their ki from leaking. the only reason they were put there was to learn how to do that. vegeta would never take power like goku did, and goku regretted doing that. they like to achieve power on their own, they arent gohan getting their potential unlocked, they are training with new techniques.
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>>139722397
except it is. all your arguments are based on speculations made during the movie's time span, and have all been debunked, like "SSGSS" its just super saiyan blue, and SSB isnt full on god ki either
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>>139703882
Does that mean the next arc will be about Tenshinhan?
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>>139722573
ok I'm done here, you're clearly can't tell fact from fiction. Making up some random theory does not make you credible, it's pure speculation.
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>>139722618
you're the fucking dumb ass that's not only fighting against movie canon, but the anime canon when Kaiosama clearly explains the transformation as becoming a god without a ritual. Shut the fuck up.
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>>139722618
SSG and SSGSS are fucking related, just shut the fuck up.
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>>139719885
So basically Goku and Vegeta are only learning to use Ten just now?

HxH power levels >>>>>>>>>>> DBS
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>>139722879
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
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>>139722734
they are becoming a god, but not a super saiyan god. well, they ARE a super saiyan AND a god, but they are not a "super saiyan god"
they are a super saiyan with god ki. big difference. shenron was asked to give them THE super saiyan god, meaning this SSB form can not possible be the same.
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>>139722879
except in DB they can reach higher powers without that, and in super it makes then gods
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>>139722976
dead
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>>139723106
too bad using god essence is the only thing that matters. All the little details you're bickering about literally means nothing.
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>>139723152
what matters is SSB is not to SSG like SS is to SS2.
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>>139723140
>and in super it makes then gods
Until proven otherwise, Vegeta needed to be in the staff to achieve this level of sensitivity and attain control over god Ki.
Whether absorbing the ki from his surrounding, or he sparked it within himself by being surrounded by it and resonating with it is what's up to debate.
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>>139723203
I don't care about your labelling and disambiguations by trying to box certain forms into some stupid shit.
What matters is in the CANON they referred to it as a god form without a ritual. Everything else you're rambling about means NOTHING.
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>>139723270
the latest episode he went blue in tournament.
that's why i havent said anything about my theory until now, because my theory has a very high chance of being true.
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>>139723370
what's your theory?
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>>139709849
I dunno, the ending does show him training with Piccolo to be strong.
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>>139723345
but anon, it's Super Saiyan in a God form, but nto SSGSS or SUPER SAIYAN GOD 2
It's completely different, with different means of achieving and different powers.
stop straw manning me
>>139723405
the god ki technique
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>>139723370
oh god you're one of those faggots
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>>139723203
its more like
ssjg=base+kaioken
ssjb=ssj
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>>139723419
no one fucking stated Blue is SSG2 you dumb fuck. Just because it's not a different state (like SSJ2 or 3) doesn't make it unrelated to SSG.
Simply put the only thing that matters is the god essence, that is what makes the two related.
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>>139723419
>the god ki technique
stop making shit up idiot. You should have been stating it's just a theory from the get go instead of being a retarded head canon faggot.
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>>139722714
wat
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what are you retards talking about, SSJB was named SSGSSJ originally, then they changed it to SSJB since the name was retarded long
of course it is god ki
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>>139723712
our good friend that has autism had to go the extra mile to make sure the two forms are completely unrelated even though Kaiosama specifically states it's a form where the user attains god Ki without a ritual.
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>>139723676
because in Xenoverse there was a translator error, one of the member of the Taino's team called Taino a "he" but then it was a Namekian
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>>139722371
I doubt it actually, Monaka is really peaceful until provoked
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>>139708526
It' probably stepping forward 0.1 seconds.
so, think about it this way, you punch, someone tries to block, but you move forward 0.1 second.
As in, your action becomes nearly instant. You basically have to learn to anticipate where the punch is going to be thrown.
It's like dodging bullets. You don't have to be faster than the bullet, just faster than the trigger pull.
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>>139725775
well considering Champa about to murder his own team, Monaka protecting them isn't too far fetched.
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>>139707554
Goku wants him to be a scholar too. He's said so NUMEROUS times.
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>>139711659
>trunks arrives from the future
>beerus has arrived in is time, looking for the super saiyan God, and so Trunks went back in time to ask everyone about it
>decides to travel to a time where Gohan would be similar to his Gohan, just to see
>arrives, Goku's a SSGod, Vegeta is too, Beerus just wants delicious food, Gohan has a kid, Gohan is a wuss, kid Trunks is dating a lolicougar
>Trunks gets super pissed at how easy life has been for everyone else
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>>139725863
In hindsight, haven't characters in Dragon Ball been able to move faster than light for a while now? I remember Goku outran a Solar Flare as a kid against Tien.
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>>139726728
you could argue that Goku expected the Solar Flare to come by Tien's stance.
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>>139726728
>In hindsight, haven't characters in Dragon Ball been able to move faster than light for a while now

No. It took Vegeta as a SSJ flying at full speed a while to reach Cell.

And Krillin says and I quote in the cell arc: "I can fly as fast as Bulma's Jet"

Considering Krillin at that point was stronger than when Vegeta arrived on Earth, that's a good indicator that they were never moving at the speed of light.

Tenshinhan also explains the "disappearance", the characters are zipping in and out of the peripherals really quickly. Using 3 eyes, he was able to track Goku easily and hit him.

> I remember Goku outran a Solar Flare as a kid against Tien.

He didn't OUTRUN the solar flare, he just put shades on.
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>>139725886
Unless Monaka goes in Champa's way and then he harms him, then that would be fun
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>>139721303
>She definitely chilled out in Buu saga though.
And then went back to her old ways in the beginning of Super because AlzHaimmeryama
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>>139729407
More like Toei couldn't be bothered to not have her repeat the same schtick they're used to. I'd be more likely to think Toriyama wouldn't even think about chi-chi rather than regress her character, other than for gags I guess.
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>There are still people here who think that Monaka actually is stronger than Goku and Vegeta

Beerus knows that Goku and Vegeta would be enough to handle the universe 6 team and that would put them into a sense of complacency with their strength by having them realize there are no stronger opponents out there, so he's propping up Monaka as a puppet to show Goku and Vegeta that there is even further dimensions in strength to aim for. He's last because he is shit and the ploy to inspire them would fail.
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>>139729800
yeah this seems like the correct narrative considering Beerus was panicking hard when Whis was talking about revealing Monaka's true identity.
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I miss toryamas older style. . Its a shame that no one can imitate that. Bulky muskles was the shit.
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>>139729800
Except that's extremely retarded.

>>139730032
we all miss the pudge
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>>139730136
Prepare to get fucked in your anus by me when it's completely true and you realize your feeble brain couldn't even figure out the plot of a little boy's cartoon.
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>>139726728
Dragon Ball physics aren't like ours. Kami's spaceship went to Jupiter in seconds.
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>>139730212
No, I meant Beerus' plan is retarded. He wasted a slot and potentially risked losing a wager with his brother.
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>>139730136
I feel like my favorite time period for toriyama was between 22nd World Tournament and Saiyan saga, with Piccolo Jr. being the best.
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>>139717610
Wanna bet?
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So how is DBKAI 2014? Is it better than Super?
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>>139709453
Read the end of the spoiler

Someone steps into the ring at the end. Champa vs Monoka.
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>>139730621
Stop
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>>139730668
Truth hurts, we understand.
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>>139730570
the piccolo jr. part was the best. Everyone was "good", Goku's friends were just rough around the edges.

Piccolo even realized that everyone of them could give him a hard time. In terms of shounen "power" placement, it was how a good shounen SHOULD be.
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>>139730827
Hell, Krillin gave Piccolo a run for his money. He still got soundly beat, but he got some good hits in, something that he will probably never be able to do for the rest of the series.
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>>139730950
tricking piccolo with the homing ki blasts (that everyone proceeded to steal from him) was fucking awesome.
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>>139701362
Honestly while I have my mixed feelings about Berrus I think it's much better we got him as an OP goofball as opposed to being the next Edgelord Goku had to take down.
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>>139731187
the whole situation is hilarious and I don't mind if it goes on forever.

The idea of two muscle jockeys annoying Gods to train them is great.

Goku has already ruined Kaio's life so I can only imagine what he can do to Whis and Beerus.
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>>139731068
I've noticed Krillin always pulls out cool techniques in fights.
>Figures out the Kamehameha after a first try.
>The homing blast against Piccolo.
>The scatter shot against the Saibamen
>The Kienzan.
Krillin was always full of surprises.
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>>139721172
>The manga exists to promote the anime
The manga is now much more than that thanks to Toriyama overseeing the manga. Toriyama even mentioned in the newest interview that the anime animators are now even referencing Toyotaro's work.
The only problem is that it's not a weekly and as the monthly publication it suffers from "TL;DR" syndrome.
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So why does Dragon Ball Kai 2014 look better than Dragon Ball Super?
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>>139731788
For a few reasons, DBK had many iterations of Z to work on top of, and it's a remastering of a remaster.
Super on the other hand has been mishandled by Toei which had a lot in production and definitely chewed off more than they can chew in 2015.
Now with the story out of the movie catch up state and Toei done with the new One Piece movie, hopefully the quality will increase.
All in all no matter how hard Toei tries, unless Toyotaro can set the standards with the manga and create the iconic panel work for the storyline it will never live up to the expectations of us hardcore fans (because Toyotaro has set the bars so high)
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>>139730827
Mah fugging nigga!

It was the very last time where technique was just as important as raw strength, as >>139730950 points out. I'd also like to mention the fantastic character development everyone received:
>Tien faces his past and overcomes it, destroying the reputation of the Crane school and becoming his own man.
>Yamcha pulls a hat trick, but receives sage advice from god, countering the overconfidence he'd been building up while still getting a chance to show off a clever technique.
>Krillin advances to the point he astonishes even the demon king and surpasses Roshi.
>Piccolo learned from his mistakes in his last fight with Goku and was careful to conserve his energy by limiting his blasts, taking ki shots only when he had a clear opening. He also got over his fear of the mafubaha and exploited Goku's concern over Kami by taking him hostage. His major fuck up was using the nuke-technique when he was spent, but he regained lost ground through melee. He grew from an arrogant bully to a careful strategist.
>Goku becomes a man by winning the tournament that dominated his youth, taking a bride, and proving himself to be just as crafty as his opponents by keeping his cards close to his chest even up to the very end. He's no longer the chunky-strong hick from the woods, but a legitimate master.

And then the saiyan saga fucked all of this up by killing the bulk of the main cast in the most uninspired ways, and leading the series to stagnate in the most boring saga.
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>>139731960
Vegeta's legs in this image always look off to me.
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>>139732179
You should read the manga, it's even better
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>>139731960
I also forgot to mention that the movies that have the bigger budget has spoiled us in comparison to the anime. (which we're all watching for free over the internet)
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>>139703882
>krillin 50
>yamcha 35

This was after the first tournamente ang goku and krilin were over 100 by then, yamcha was close. This shit is wrong as fuck.
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>>139732461
As a rule of thumb any power level not from the manga is totally made up
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>>139732461
Power levels are never accurate: Tao pai pai's android scouter had tien at over 1000 during jr's arc, and piccolo him self said he'd grown dozens of times stronger in his new body.

>>139732304
Nice jab, but the freeza saga will always be the most boring. I had one of the weird viz editions where the put piccolo's face on the end of volume 15. Gave it a nice sense of finality.
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>>139732461
Why do people bother with power levels? They were literally created to be unimportant, and yet anytime a guidebook comes out, everyone has definite numbers corresponding to a power level and treats them like the be all, end all. They really don't matter. 'X' is stronger than 'X' and that's all that matters at any given moment
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>>139733056
The relative strength of characters is always going to be a thing (Yamcha would be too weak to beat Cell, for example). Some people just attach the term power levels to it, but I don't think the anime/manga use power levels quite the same way. Whatever a scouter might say is more like "current ki output," which can vary wildly. Everyone registers higher when they're about to attack, while others are able to keep it low enough so a scouter won't detect them.
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I just caught up with Super last night because I was getting tired of waiting for Funimation to dub it, when do the new episodes usually release ?
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>>139734347
Saturday
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>>139701094
>That’s not true! You might be the closest person to match my art style, even counting the animators.
How many people must feel crushed from this comment.
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>>139734570
Thanks for the spoon feeding senpai
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>>139734347
Saturday night Sunday morning
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>>139730570
Probably the bests fights for sure, makes me rethink that first vegeta and goku fight could have been added more.
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>>139734593
good they can use a fucking wake up call.
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>>139720433
Not that anon, but he senses beerus when he showed up, the older kais can sense it too, God ki can be weak, it's evident because the Kiaos exist. All I know this this, god ki is manifested when either being around godly figures to teach the student, and/or to manifest it one has to have complete control of their ki and internalize it to create the god like ki.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5eZQdopPQ
GOKU WINS LOL
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>>139701024
man, I was hoping they lose. I mean then they have an adventure getting the super dragonballs, and with that beerus would want his earth back so he has everyone look for the balls while he keeps champ from interfering. Then whis comes along to pick every ball they find and keep it at beerus place for safe keeping.
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>>139734593
really they deserve some slaps in the face for not keeping up a standard.
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>>139703633
>K A I O - W H A?
Destructo disc
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>>139735168
I like to imagine that Vegeta absorbed the God Ki that was present inside the staff, or even better he manifested it by "tuning" his ki frequency to that of his surrounding when he had to meditate on his aura/ki control.
I hope they go into more detail about this.
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>>139701362
god dam the gohan slice of life was some good shit. Wouldn't mind if it had its own mini series
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>>139734593
Toriyama's art style is really hard to copy exactly right
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>>139730950
I'm pretty sure Krillin didn't hit him once in that fight.

I mean, the point still stands, but yeah.
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>>139737838
Why? It seems really basic compared to current art styles.
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With Gohan, I always think him not choosing to fight was mostly to do with him not understanding Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and even Trunk and Goten's reasons for fighting.

Which was generally just for the joy of it.

Whereas Gohan was always focused on fighting FOR people. Which Goku was never ever about. At most, he didn't want anyone unrelated to get hurt, but he didn't fight for them.

I thought that Super showing that the reason he wants to keep training and fighting is to protect his family was great.

(I don't know why people think Gohan didn't want to be a scholar without Chichi's pushing. Don't they say the reason she pushes him so much is that he was naturally smart and talented and she wanted him to live up to his potential. That might have been a filler anime scene. Whatever. Anime is canon to me.)
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future trunks sucks ass why do people like him?
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>>139730621

Delete this
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>>139738272
>Whatever. Anime is canon to me.

It shouldn't. Anime added a lot of retarded things like Gohan vs Freezer in last form.
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>>139701094
>B-But I’m not! Not at all… The more I draw, the clearer the gap between me and T-toriyama-sensei becomes (sweat).
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Posting most patrician form
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>kaioken is coming back
what the heck

is it going to be x 1000?
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>>139717379
That was filler though.

>>139702005
>Champa gets mad and wants to kill everybody
He seemed so much more chill than Beerus though. He even got concerned when Frost cheated.

>>139708526
Pretty sure it means he can go back in time 0,1 sec. Let's say he gets hit, he goes back in time and knows where the attack is coming from. So it's pretty damn useful.
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>>139739485
>He seemed so much more chill than Beerus though. He even got concerned when Frost cheated.
>started the whole thing
>butthurt all the way because his earth is shit
>jealous of literally fucking everything about his brother
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Wait, there's still idiots left watching this fanfic-tier GT-level shit show?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>139739485
>He seemed so much more chill than Beerus though. He even got concerned when Frost cheated.

At this point, I'm questioning everything that is in the anime but isn't in the manga. Including the whole Frost scenario, making him a 2nd Freeza, rather than just someone who wanted to end the tournament as soon as possible since he'd get nothing out of it. If you remove those moments, you're pretty much cutting Champa's only likeable scenes.
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>>139727088
In order to put those shades on, he had to run towards Master Roshi & run back before the Solar Flare hit him.
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>>139727088
>Vegeta
Goku cleared half of Namek way faster.
>Krillen
Traverse time is always a thing here for plot purposes. This why Buu Saga Goku didn't just instantly obtain the Radar.
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>>139704012
DD
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>With the “Battle of Gods Arc” and “Revival of ‘F’ Arc” it was one tense story after another

The words of a man completely out of touch with the world.

>That’s a pretty popular character! Hopefully the kids will be happy.

And there is the truth as to why Super is shit.
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>>139738198
That's exactly why it's so hard for people to do. It's very basic, but there's a lot of nuance in that 'basic' stuff that makes it a total pain to draw and get just right compared to more detailed works.
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>>139703207
>So now he is going to surpass Vegeta, again.

No he's not, he simply has the advantage of having observed and figured out Hit's technique, much the same way Vegeta had seen Frost's needle and therefore didn't get fucked by it.
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>>139730621
2-0 against Goku is canon too
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>>139721695
It was incredibly annoying, because they kept going on about that while conveniently forgetting EVERY female character was referred to as male multiple times.
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>>139742015
I couldn't feel any tension for RoF. BoG happened before the Epilogue but at least the enemy was an enormous threat with only Goku strong enough to combat him. In RoF, not only were Goku & Vegeta practically playing with Frieza but every single bloody shot of Vegeta on the sidelines reminded me of how unlikely Frieza is to win. Even assuming he defeats Goku, he has Vegeta & if any stray Ki blast hits Beerus and Whis' sundae, them too.
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>>139742294
I feel like Beerus would have stopped Frieza if he somehow beat Goku and Vegeta anyway.

He may say he's neutral, but he's sucking Earth's dick way too hard for me to believe that.
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>>139738198
For the same reason it's weirdly hard to copy simpsons and family guy art exactly. Like it's so simplistic but for whatever reason it'll always look a little off when you try to emulate it. For whatever reason I still to this day struggle with Goku's hair. It's like the simplest design and I can't make it look right.
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>>139719928
I agree with you, I was hyped the way they fight, I wish the whole tournament fights could been like this.
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>>139742294
Part of me kind of liked that element to it. I mean, Freeza didn't really feel like a huge threat, but I felt that it was the kind of Rematch Goku wanted when he spared Freeza's life. I was much more interested in Goku's dynamic with Freeza than the overall threat of his army. Kind of an early Piccolo Jr. vs. Goku vibe. Where, even though piccolo is evil incarnate and plans to destroy everyone, he still feels the need, once he's revealed that, to keep up the facade and make sure he stays in bounds the whole fight, as if the World Tournament matters anymore.
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>>139742376
That's my point and possibly greatest gripe about RoF's "seriousness". I can't take any of it seriously when the "threat" is constantly shown to be incompetent and me always being reminded that said "threat" has no chance of victory whatsoever.
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>>139720222
It's episode 13 and 14, actually. Episode 27 also had some good animation.
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>Future Trunks returning
>Kaioken returning

Wew, what a time to be alive.
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>>139719928
No offense, but to me it still looks pretty low effort. Toei's always been good at stuff like exaggerated effects to highlight actions but when he appears in front of Vegeta he just kinda has this weird over blown animation to his punch, and once he hits Vegeta, Vegeta just sort of slides back. The smoke coming off of Cabba's punches just feels like an afterthought mostly. It doesn't seem to follow the action. Also I feel like they went out of their way to pick the most awkward angle and pose for Cabba's sneak attack at the end.

I dunno. It does have some good animation but it's got enough weirdness to it that makes it hard for me to watch.
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>>139742015
Do you still think Dragon Ball isn't aimed at kids?
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>>139719928
There have been sakuga moments in the show. Not a lot but a few

https://sakuga.yshi.org/data/331fc14660955d66dfe0b9111cc06011.mp4
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>>139715066
Supreme Kai of time wants that Bardock dick m8
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>>139744148
I wonder if she'd settle for Goku or Goten. Or both.

Maybe she's like a Broly but with wanting to fuck Bardock. She'll just take anything that looks like him.
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>>139742201
Just keep telling yourself that; I'm sure vegeta didn't really need babadi to hold his hand in order to reach ssj2 either.
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>>139745163
I don't know what this conversation is about though, but couldn't Vegeta use SSJ2 before Majin?
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>>139710097
Super Kaio-Ken God Oozaru aka a Feminist.
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>>139701295
Super Saiyan < God, Cyan/Blue, and whatever the white saiyan form would have been

Yellow < Red, White, and Blue

Damn Toriyama, inferiority complex much?
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>>139711659

This artstyle completely rapes Toyable's.
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>>139751059
inb4 next cover is Vegito riding the Dragon God.
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Kaioken is impossible with SS.

It makes 0 sense.

Otherwise Goku would have used it a long time ago.
He mastered the first SS stage.

Additionally does this mean Goku can boost his power now more than 20x?

Plain retarded. I hope he gets something else than can beat Hit instead of that.
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>>139754243

It said something about breaking a seal
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Next big bad should be this guy, it would be a good apportunity to beat a minor god.
Also, he is going to have a mojor role in Heroes.
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>>139754682
nah, next villian is gonna be golden cell.
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>>139755889

They said drawing Cell's spots are too hard while he moves
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>>139756001
who said?
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>>139756100

On some interview. Someone post it.
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