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This scene i really sad and epic at the same type.

And I'm talking about the original one, not the onion dubbed thing.
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>>139659744
Why would it be sad
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>>139659744
I liked the onion thing more.

That friendship thing was too corny
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>>139659866

Never liked Numemons, but i didn't expected thousands of them to die that time
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>>139659744
Rip Numemon, good episode.
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In retrospective, wargreymon was one brutal motherfucker. He ripped apart from the insides Metalseadramon and sliced mugendramon like sushi.
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>>139660402

Dramon Destroyer, bitch
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I missed this show. Going to rewatch during summer. How are the new movies?
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>3 dark masters were killed effortlesly (piedmon was the only dark master who wasn't killed with a single attack)
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>>139659744
>i really sad and epic at the same type
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>>139660620

Puppetmon at least had a mini arc, the other two were literally whos.

The Dark Masters arc could have really used a few more episodes.
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>>139659744
machinedramon was such a bitch
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02>Tamers>Frontier>01>Xros>Savers
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For all hype mugendramon got in non adventure media, he was quite a pushover in adventure. I mean, a fucking file island andromon (and file island mons were considered to be weaker than mons of the same level in the continent) managed to hold him back a bit, and got one shooted by wargreymon. Hard to believe the drug addicts who made the wonderwan games overhyped him as part of the strongest digimon ever.
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i watch digimon 1 only in german
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The dark masters deaths were brutal
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Ive been rewatching all of digimon
Tamers was really meh, why is it so overrated?
Im enjoying frontier way more
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>>139661605
I believe Tamers is one of the darkest. The whole Leomon-death depression thing with Juri that leads to the D-Reaper fight was dense as fuck
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>>139662371
The darkness didnt really work.
My problems with Tamers were:
-Way too much focus and time wasted on the adult characters that no one is going to even remember or care about
-They take too long to get to the digital world
-Once they do 90% of the episodes that occur in the DW have a desert as a background, there are no interesting stuff like in adventures or even frontier, only desert.
-The antagonist: "Oh no the devas are attacking! Oh wait it turns out they werent really evil there is actually another real enemy so I guess we will stop fighting you now, is cool m8". But the real enemy is so boring, basically a recycle bin gone mad, the way its defeated is pathetic too.
-A stupid plothole for no reason: while Juri is capture everyone takes one week vacation because...? Who knows. Somehow Juri stayed inside that bubble for a week and didnt die of thirst/hunger.
-Kenta and whathisname relegated to comedy relief, I wanted guardromon to evolve to andromon again and marineangemon is very useful the 2 times she does anything, she can scare the dreaper and heal teammates but no one thinks she will be extremely useful on the battlefield?
-The best part of the anime: The impmon side story

So yeah, Tamers has huge problems (I think there are even more points I could elaborate on) and I was left scratching my head wondering where all the praise was coming from, Im 8 eps in Frontier and enjoying it a lot more
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>>139662795
Oh yeah I also forgot to talk about Ryo and Ruki´s total bullshit evolution to mega
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>>139662795
I was more annoyed with how they brought Impmon back to the real world. The last time they saw him, he killed one of their friends.
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I really can't enjoy Frontier. The whole power rangers evolution thing is too much for me
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>>139662986
I didnt mind that at all actually, Renamon had a sweet spot for him all along and the "he was just lost and misunderstood, lets forgive him" angle is not new in anime
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>>139659744
Did anyone play digimon next order yet?
The opening is 10/10
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SB44dcFME4E
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>>139663093
Thats what I thought all these years but Im watching it now and is a lot of fun.
They are in the digital world from the start, they have adventures and encounters with different digimon each episode. I like the "you chose to be a chosen kid" angle as its obvious these kids are running from something that will be revealed later.
I expected bluekid to be an edgyfag but he actually cares for others he is just maladjusted.
Really these kids are the most interesting protagonists of the series so far
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>>139662795
> D Reaper
>Boring
Nigga, if something that is not similar to anything else we know to the point we cannot classify it and it was programmed to destroy everything by assimilating it showed up in your neighbourhood you would be shitting your pants
The way it was beat was probably the best digimon ever did to a endboss, instead of just unloading it enough fire power on it then some one does a cool crit, they reversed its flow while pressuring it from both sides
One little vacation was because they are fucking kids, once they came back the adults wanted them out of the way safe and sound, hence the climax of that episode being them standing up to do what is right and their parents having to accept that
The only plot hole was that Juri survived a whole week in the bubble with nothing to drink or eat, but suspense of disbelief bets on you think its some D-Reaper magic

Also, devas were attacking because one of the most powerful digimons was a dick and blamed humans for the D reaper, once the other 2 most powerful digimons told him to fuck off and stop being a dick he called them off
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>>139663503
It was literally a final fantasy final boss
>humans are too complex/contradictory I must kill them all that way Ill end all suffering

It was boring and terrible, had no relatable motives or personality
The way they beat it felt cheap and anticlimatic.
So they take a vacation while her friend dies of starvation?
The devas wanted culumon back actually

Anyways more bullshit
-Alice the plot device: Hi Im a little girl my dog will now die so you can enter the enemy´s lair, k bye.
-Sakuyamon evolution: hey renamon Im going to save everyone from these bubbles now, lets just jump into them and just hope we evolve to ultimate for no reason.
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>>139663800
They didn't want a vacation, the adults just told the 10 year olds to fuck off

Alice and Dobermon was Toei forcing the writer to shoe horn even more shit in the show (he already forced Ryo, the protagonist of the wonderswan games into it at that point), some kid in japan won a digimon design contest with dobermon and Konata had to put the thing in it somehow, so Hello Alice, the kid who came out of nowhere, its conveniently the daughter of one of the adults who started the whole mess and holds the key to advance the plot by letting its mon commit sudoku
It is bullshit, yes, no one is gonna defend on how much this sticks out, but it happened for a reason, just like Ryo showing up from nowhere
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>>139662795
>Kenta and whathisname relegated to comedy relief, I wanted guardromon to evolve to andromon again and marineangemon is very useful the 2 times she does anything, she can scare the dreaper and heal teammates but no one thinks she will be extremely useful on the battlefield?
This really bugged me. Why the hell don't we get a Blue Carded Andromon, or a Biomerge to HiAndromon? Or Lopmon to Cherubimon?
They had two goddamn movies (well, one movie and one special that they called a movie) where they could've hyped up the other characters, but they never bothered.

Fingers crossed that if Tri does well enough that Toei will look into doing other sequel series (if not an outright new anime)
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>>139664173
> the adults just told the 10 year olds to fuck off

And they listened and let Juri to die? They can just merge with their digimons you know. My point is that it was a completely useless development, it did nothing but add a plothole.
>some kid in japan won a digimon design contest with dobermon
That I didnt know, jesus how awful.
But its not an excuse, the anime is worse because of it, period.
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>>139664202
No time because they had to give tons screentime to the fascinating adults characters like Indian programmer and comatose Jesus
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>>139664365
Hey, I *liked* having an origin story for the Digital World. I thought that was fucking bad-ass as a kid.

But fucking Kazu got the short end of the stick big-time. For being so good at the card game, you'd think he'd make a good Tamer too.
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>>139664499
Oh the backstory was fine, its that they spend a lot of time giving some adults with no names one liners.

The evil adult guy from 02 was well done, I actually felt sorry for him, but these random nobodies why are they taking 5 minutes of every episode to themselves, why cant they work in the background and once the ark is ready they just let the kids know.
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>>139664251
They are kids, 10 year old Japanese kids, when their parents tell them to let go and stay inside so the adults can try save their friends they obey
the whole point of that episode is them overcoming that social and cultural aspect of little Japanese kids and behaving more like grown ups who can be trusted with such heavy responsibilities
Till that episode all the adult cast only thinks of them as little kids with guns, not reliable and better to be kept away from all te shit going down
it does add a plothole, but the writer wanted to make a point on them growing up

Yeah alice and Doberman makes no sense and only makes things worse, but so did ryo, they were never planned to be part of the story, but Toei and Bandai had a deal to shove in these characters for promotional stunts
Ryo being in is actually the worst thing that happened, since it officialises him and makes him a cannon dimensional hopper for no real reason or even explains why he can do that, only that he came from Tamers universe, hopped into his own for a game, then hopped into 02's universe, made ken go all emo and evil, then hop into V-Tamer's universe then back to tamers to just be another character on a bloated character roster
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What about the fact that (through Beelzemon) we learn that Digimon get the attacks of defeated Digimon when they absorb their data? He's the only one who ever does it.
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>>139664804
Im sorry its still not believable to me, that they would abandon Juri like that when they can just go ultimate and ignore their stupid parents.
The way that acted throughout the series does not go together with them doing that, if that was the point of the episode it was still bad writing as it doesnt fit the characters.
And they already did all that when they convinced their arents to go to the digital world
Youd think going to a complete new world would be harder to get permission from that to fight right here for mankind
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>>139664837
That's a tamers thing only, no other series uses the idea that digimon absorb data from fallen enemies

Tamers is also the only series that death is a permanent state for a digimon, as they don't respawn into digieggs in tamers
If they die in battle, the enemy gets their data so that they can have enough data to evolve on their own
If they die by something else, their data gets scattered across the DW, it eventually agglomerates in data packs and it serves as food for other digimons
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>>139664961
That post was just a response to the guy talking about Tamer problems. The absorb Digimon data isn't, it's that only one Digimon gained new attacks after absorbing data.

So we're lead to believe they kids never knew that, didn't care, or it was a Beelzemon exclusive ability.
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>>139664938
It's a cultural thing. Close to absolute obedience is demanded in Asian cultures for the younger kids, and considering how they just got their kids back from a journey that they might have never come back from, I can understand the parents trying to hold on to their kids as tightly as possible. It shouldn't have taken a week though.
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>>139665101
No, the whole thing in the beginning with Renamon was that Ruki was making her fight and absorb as much data as possible. They phased out the data absorption because the digidestined's bond with their digimon made them powerful, not tons of data.
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>>139664938
The parents told them the adults would handle it
And again, they are TEN, remember when you were a kid? when if your mon tells you NO it was NO and you would shut up? Plus its culturally expected in japan that kids will behave and have almost absolute obedience to their parents
Also the parents actually see the D reaper now
When it was to go to the DW, all they knew was that it has digimon in it, and so far their kids and their mons were able to beat any other digimon
With the D reaper, they knew their mons were ineffective and it was better to let the ineffective army to deal with the D reaper killing everything then let their kids try and probably get killed
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>>139665123
Even accepting that, the way they presented it was bad.
Suddenly an episode starts and its "1 week later" no explanation, no nothing. They dont show the kids saying "thats bullshit but Ill have to do it" or anything
Specially Takato.
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>>139665229
Yeah, I agreed with you on that point. A day or two would have been defensible at least, but a week was bullshit.
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>>139665226
When I was a kid I couldnt fucking merge with a dragon to become a powerful being of mass destruction.
Good points on the ineffective mons though but see
>>139665229
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>>139664961
The World games have Digimon learn attacks from their opponents, but they're usually not unique attacks like Fist of the Beast King.

But the other Tamer mons get attacks from the trading cards instead.
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>>139664590
>why cant they work in the background and once the ark is ready they just let the kids know.
Fuck off. Worldbuilding is a valid choice and choosing to flesh out the adults to show how their responsibilities are different to the kids was fine.
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>>139665325
What wordbuildig? These adults do nothing they just stand around computers saying useless stuff, they arent building anything.
Well the ark because its very important to know the ark is at 20%
Then at 30
Then at 40

Amazing worldbuilding m8s
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>>139665177
Ruki was operating on what she knew about digimon from renamon and the card game, as we see with meramon in the DW and Beelzebumon, the idea that digimon might evolve if they get enough data is something most digimon know

Once they learn all they need is a digivice and culumon nearby ruki stops demanding renamon to absorb data, actually, renamon stops doing herself way before ruki realizes it

on that note, the reason they never try out absorbed data attacks might be because as digigestined they have a digivice that can read attack cards and use them to power up their mons
Now, why rely on a random draw instead of using a sure tactic is beyond me, probably because Bandai wanted to sell more TCG decks
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It's just a show, chill out nerds
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>>139665287
>>139665229
Takato is the most pussy whipped by his parents from the main 3, we would probably get a scene with him looking down and holding up so he wont cry like a baby
Ruki and Jinrya (Am I writing his name correctly?) are way more likely to tell their parents that it was bullshit
Ruki would probably go against her mon, but shut up when her Grandmother tell her to do so
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>>139665481
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>>139665610
What? He had the balls to tell their parents int heir faces "Im going to another world so deal with it"
His mother was crying and he barely cared
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>>139665788
Yeah, his mom
Pay attention to his parents interactions scenes, he respects his father way more than his mom, if his mom says no, he tries to negotiate, when his father says no, he obeys
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>>139665888
But we were never shown his father saying no.
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>>139665908
But we are show his mother using his father as authority when she lacks it to make her child obey
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I want to raise a BlackGatomon to become a Lilithmon. Then I want to violate every inch of its' digital body.
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How does /a/ feel about Cyber Sleuth?
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>>139666148
yes
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>>139666232
Havent played it/10

I need to save for a Vita
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>>139666239
You know, for a Digimon that's supposed to represent Lust, she was suprisingly cute in that series.
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>>139660890
>02
Yeah...No.
Tamers>01/=Frontier>>>Fusion>>>>>>Data Squad.
Just flip those mate and you're good.
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>>139666232
Cyber Sluts was good
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>>139660599
They don't live up to the hype at all. Lackluster animation given the fact that it's a theatrical release and pacing could probably be better. Still enjoyed it because muh nostalgia but I'm not dumb enough to say that it's great. Maybe good depending on your standards. I'm sure there are people who thought it was just fine. I just expected more than it could deliver, which is entirely my fault.
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digibump
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I guess it's called Tri because it has three episodes of SOL shipper bait for each episode of plot.
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>>139664202
Because they were nearing the ebbs of the show and needed to focus on D-Reaper. Them getting digimon was really just throw-aways anyway.
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>>139671236
end
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>>139666516

Xros Wars > Adventure > Savers > Frontier > Tamers > 02
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Tamers had many flaws, that's a fact.

But it also have the furry goddess, that's gotta be worth something, right?
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>>139671927

My only goddess is Lilithmon.
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>>139660722
Machinedramon got enough focus in the game.
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>>139672028
Praise be!
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>>139670100
I'd like this better if Peridot was the new protag instead of Meiko.
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>>139671927
All digimon series have flaws.
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>>139660727
You're just saying that because he had to go up against a guy who had his on weakness. Dude was a stone cold motherfucker
>Bombed the whole city because the kids jammed the signal
>"Rewarded" his slave driver by brutally killing him, or shooting off his paw
>Remorselessly massacred hundreds of slaves
He was a chump in the show but would have easily been a great final boss
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>>139677710
Mugendramon is just a tool.
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>>139662795
>Tamers is heavily flawed
>Frontier is better
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>>139666353
What? Lilithmonz can't be cute?
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Why do we now want a Lilithmon as a waifu? I remember when we all wanted an Angewomon.
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Why couldn't Toei do a better job on this fight? The epic version of "Brave Heart" is great, but everytime I watch this scene, feels like something is missing, like
> no evolution sequence
> bgm seems to be just playing on loop
> it was supposed to be a major fight, but was just meh
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>>139678612
9 eps into frontier yeah, maybe frontier will turn to shit, Ill give my full opinion when Im done.
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>>139679184
Dont ask me Ive always been a member of Black Tailmon´s team
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>>139679184
>Why do we now want a Lilithmon as a waifu?
Because she's hot as hell and you can actually see her eyes all the time, unlike Angewomon who's always wearing that helmet? *shrug* Personally I'm sort of partial to the sexiness/cuteness that is Bastemon, but Lilithmon definitely comes in at a close 2nd...

If there's one thing all Digimon fans can agree on, it's that Xros Wars was a waifu paradise.
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>>139671927
>But it also have the furry goddess, that's gotta be worth something, right?
>implying that overrated fox is better than much sexier Digimon like Bastemon or Lilithmon
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>>139671653
>Xros Wars
Nostalgia bait.
>Adventure
Good, but it is Nostalgiafagging at best.
>Savers
KEK
>Frontier
Much better than basically everything before what you listed first, barring Ad.
>Tamers
Underrated.
>02
Overrated; you're right with that.
So again; Tamers > Adventure 01 >= Frontier >> Xros Wars >>> Adventure 02 >>>> Savers.
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What's better? Xros Wars manga or Xros Wars anime?
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Don't you die on me, Digimon thread! NOT AGAIN!
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>>139662795
>Somehow Juri stayed inside that bubble for a week and didnt die of thirst/hunger.
offscreen the tentacles feed her with digicum and what not trough her holes.
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>>139670100
Saw the scond ova yesterday and i can assure you I was cringing the whole think, thought about dropping it several times.
"Let's made Ken appear every ten min and then do nothing"
Fuck this shit, everything being so kawaii-desuneeee chan for 8-year old girls.
¿How can they miss so bad their audience?
Only good thing was Flora's Boobs
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>>139662795
>>139665229
>>139664251

The problem was that the kids and their mons were doing absolutely nothing to the D-Reaper. Barring marine angemon's bubbles, they couldn't even enter the red mass without being deleted very quickly, let alone put up a fight. Without the adults red card (which even after a week of jesus tier programming, was still bugged) they had absolutely no chance no matter how much they tried.

And keep in mind they still went in there with no hope of actually defeating the D-Reaper, since they didn't know about juggernaut or the worm hole at all.

As for your other criticisms, i'll concede Alice (plot point that had to be cut short), some of the episodes in the deva and digital world arc being boring in the middle, but everything else IS the point of the story, and you simply did not pay attention to the themes.

Like the adult characters being the most important factor in how kids grow up to.

That the point that wasn't explored to that date in the franchise (and arguably the most interesting part of it) was how the digimon would actually integrate into the real world (adventure, 02, manga's and games all hadn't done it so far)

That the antagonist is the ONE artificial intelligence that was still doing it's original purpose, while the digimon had evolved into something of their own (and if you don't think that's a big deal, you clearly missed the entire point of the franchise)

Already explained to you why that "vacation" was pretty mandatory.

Kenta, Kazu and their respective partners saved Takato's life on separate occasions. The only reason they didn't went inside the D-Reaper bubble at the final assault was because they couldn't fuse with their partners, so if anything the way they were used was absolutely perfect.

And as for sakuyamon, did you just look away for half the episode? Never mind what personal issues they resolved, that the other two had already pulled of the evolution so ruki, nah that just happened because.
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>>139677710
>a chump

You do realize he was the only enemy (other than Apocalymon) that required outright plot armor to defeat though? At the end of the first episode he stars, he nukes taichi, izzy and kari, with their partners, and the entire city block their standing on from point blank range personally.

The only reason they are alive at the next episode was because we wouldn't have a show otherwise.
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>>139686120
>you just dont get it!

Really? Im sorry but what matters to me is that it was really boring and could have been so much more.
And sakuyamon was bullshit how did she know that she would evolve? what if she didnt and just break her skull against the rocks?
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>>139678612
Tamers and Frontier were about the same quality to me. Both started good, got edgy, got better, and had pants shittingly long final arcs.
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>>139686236
She DIDN'T. That's why it is called a leap of faith, the reason she evolved was because at last she could willingly put herself at risk on the same level as renamon, just like Takato with guilmon, and jenrya with terriermon. That that was a problem for her was shown in episode 3, when she froze up when gargomon pointed a gun at her.

And no wonder you find a show boring if you have no idea what's going on, I wouldn't either. But that isn't the shows fault, since it explains it clearly if your paying attention to it (the foreshadowing on rewatch is truly staggering). The difference is that Tamers is subtle and realistic about it's presentation, rather that just stating out loud everything to be easier to follow.
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>>139686376
I know whats going on just fine thank you.
Stop dismissing opinions you dislike with "you didn pay attention to it"
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>>139663257
>Really these kids are the most interesting protagonists of the series so far

It's great how none of them actually get no real development or growth outside of a little bit for Takuya and the very little Koji/Koichi shit that goes nowhere at all.
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>>139686460
Static characters can be good.
I never got /a/´s boner with development.
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>>139666232
It was good. I'm enjoying Next Order way more though.
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>>139683079
Digimon manga is always better then Digimon anime. Outside of Next at least, that was kinda meh.
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>>139686485
Characters that are super boring (The entire crew outisde of Takuya and Junpei) that barely ever do anything or get any sort of time to shine outside of their one or two evolution episodes then sit around doing nothing for the rest of the series is not good. It total shit.

I don't think Frontier is a bad series mind you, but the characters are easily the worst part of it. Outside of the Royal Knight arc.
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>>139686485
Static characters that rarely ever do anything for 50 or so episodes can not be good.
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People actually think Frontier is good? It's an okay series, but no way is it good. The characters are all pretty shit, none of them get any focus or get the chance to do anything outside of Takuya and Koji, even during the early parts. The villains are completely uninteresting and even when they go away we get new villains that are equally as uninteresting and give us one of the worst arcs in Digimon history (Not the worst mind you, but RK arc is really bad.)

There's this interesting Digital World that is never really fleshed out or explored, it's potential to be interesting is completely wasted. There are so many callbacks to Adventure that it's not funny, but this series handles them all terribly and because of that they aren't anywhere near as memorable as Adventure (Takuya's trip to the human world comes to mind).

I love a series where you have decent sized main cast then over half of them become useless for two guys to job for 12 episodes. Good writing.

Frontier is just a boring ride from start to finish. The only interesting part is Duskmon and after that's resolved literally nothing happens.
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>>139686485
>I never got /a/´s boner with development.

wew lad
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>>139686485
Well when you have a boring series with a boring plot, boring characters that don't change at all for 50 episodes, boring fights (Especially the latter half) then no, static characters can't be good.
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>>139686728
Nah they changed you just werent paying attention.
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>>139686760
Well sure. They had issues at the start that they didn't have at the end. But the way they got over those issues was never meaningful (Or ever really explored or shown, even) and it never felt like any of that change had any impact on anything that happened, outside of maybe like Takuya and Koji.
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>>139686848
>. But the way they got over those issues was never meaningful

They didn't even get over their issues though. Or at least we hardly see anything like that. It's like one minute they are the same as always then BAM Epilogue we're all different with no problems anymore guys.

Seriously, worst written characters in the series. Even more so then Yoshi or the 02 kids.
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So, who do you think is the antagonist in Tri? Will it be Demon as he was never outright defeated and just let the kids throw him into the Dark world for shits and giggles.
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>People in this thread actually defending Frontier's horseshit cast

And to think a couple weeks ago I wanted the Digimon threads here to actually discuss things other then Adventure. Lets just go back to that.
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>>139686902
Fuck your attitude
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>>139686896
I think it will be something entirely new, probably.
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>>139686902
Honestly, there are a few good things about Frontier that makes the series fun. The cast is most definitely not one of them.

Then again, I thought they were the best when I was 14, so who knows.
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>>139686536
Next and D-Cyber are terrible.
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>>139687052
That's weird, I could have sworn I said aside from Next.

>Counting Manwha as proper Digimon manga

wew
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>>139686966
Next isn't as good as V-Tamer, Xros Wars and Encode, but it's way better then 02, Frontier and Xros Wars (Anime).
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>>139687113
meant for >>139687052
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>>139686458
Not that anon but your complaints make it clear that you really don't.
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>>139686458
>Stop dismissing opinions you dislike with "you didn pay attention to it"
Yeah, fuck you. Saying this when the first fucking thing to come out of your damn mouth was;
>>139662795
>It's boring, because I think so.
>It's has problems from what "I" think is problems.
>It sucks because I fucking hate it, and you should to.
He's telling you what WAS in the story itself, you're basically putting your hands over your ears because "LA LA LA, I don't like this and stop talking to me, LA LA LA!" If you did this towards the fucking writers of Tamers themselves, saying "this isn't how this should be for me, you're all fags", you'd realize how fucking dumb and childish it is.
Face it, you don't like Tamers, fine, that's fine, everyone doesn't have to like everything anyone else does. But don't you dare say "this is crap because x" and when someone defends it with valid critque you go "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, FUCKER!11!" You aren't worth respect. What anon here said is right, these were what was implied in the show and shown quite well without being silverspooned in your mouth. Again, don't like the show all you want that's fine, just don't fucking object YOUR opinion as fact if you can't handle that back at yourself, fucking hypocrite.
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>>139679113
She can, and is. I just expected her to be more Morrigan-esque.
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>>139679184
Evil is sexy
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>>139687909
Nah FUCK YOU
Tamer is very overrated, its a 5/10
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>>139687909
You are doing exactly the same though.
I just expressed my opinions and now you fags had to cry over them.
All my points still stand.
I founf Tamers was nowhere near the experience people say it is
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>>139688508
Not that anon but all your "points" were all rebutted and the only answer you gave was just how you felt about the narrative choice. There's nothing to do with the series you just don't like it.
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>>139688433
Well it's a Digimon series. 5/10 is still pretty good considering things like 02 and Frontier would be a 1-2 at best.
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>>139688925
Nothing was really rebutted, all my complains are still in the anime. I still have those problems with it.
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>>139690094
I was that anon, but a bit like >>139687909
said, there is a big difference between subjective opinions and objective criticisms. Your opinions are your own, and that's fine, and Tamers does have objective problems like really limited animation, tepid action, some pacing problems etc.

The problem is that the nearly all objective complaints you've made are simply not true, as I've shown >>139686120. Those problems are only in your head.
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Tamer's major flaws are being boring and drama filled and having the most uninteresting villains of the franchise. Random encounters at the beginning is okay, but adventure knew to give them some personality or reason to be antagonistic while in tamers they are almost all bar mushamon frenzied for no reason, the devas were glorified monsters of the week, zhuqioamon was a literal who and the d-reaper was like a RPG final boss and came out of nowhere. Only beelzebumon was an interesting villain, and even then, he was very briefly a villain
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>>139690094
It was but you've ignored them, or just answered with objective complaints which you've tried to pass as subjective.
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>>139662795
The adult characters being useful for a change was one of the best things in Tamers.
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>>139691127
>Boring and drama filled
What, was there no fun at all? Keep in mind that being boring is your opinion, and that without drama you have no meaning.

And I could just comment on how it's adventure which has the RPG tier villains whose only reason for their actions was because they were evil and wanted to rule the world, while in tamers the random digimon, hypnos, the sovereign, and the D-Reaper all had their own unique reasons (in order, being unable to evolve means they got desperate to survive and seeked power from the humans, hypnos really doesn't want city destroying monsters roaming about, the sovereign were scared shitless of the D-Reapers return and tried to appease it or fight it head on, the D-Reaper clearly states out it's reasons but was pretty much defined the second you realised what calumon was, meaning it was foreshadowed on the first episode).
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>>139691432
Also more realistic, no parent would be okay with their child going off to fight killer monsters, and if the government knew about it they would try to interfere. It may ruin some people's fantasy but that's the truth.
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>>139692093
But muh kids rock, adults suck!
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Savers did the adults are not useless better.
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>>139692349
It did have delicious MILF's, I have to admit.
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>>139692349
Savers did the "everybody gets to be a badass at least once" best though.
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>>139692349
That's because the adults were the ones who had the digimon themselves and therefore weren't handling the situation blindfolded.
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>>139692543
I kinda wanna see a story with digimons fully integrated into society, to have an instance of an adult raising a digimon as his son or something. It'd be so sweet.
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>>139692783
The problem with that idea is that digimon doesn't take place in a fantasy world, but in, the real world, so there is a need to acknowledge the elephant in the room with that idea.
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>>139659744
What's the difference? Both niggas died in both the Japanese and English dub of the show. And even than nothing has been cut out from that fight! At least Saban is letting you guys watch both the sub & dub unlike TPCi and their none humor BS that Isis is starting to shit on these days! Plus if you don't like the dub? Switch to the sub. Even Netflix has that option if you can't stand squeaky clean voice acting? XD

>Pic related
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Redeeming things about hunters? Not that it can be redeemed.
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>>139688295
Morrigan is just an old woman that fights to live and preys on the dreams of younger men.
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>>139661075
same mate, and im from croatia
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>>139693799

Salty anon is salty
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I can't say much. I still know nothing about the raws, only that for a lot of things, it's like watching an entirely different show. I'm not going to pursue it that much. I have long since lost my taste for the earlier anime. Tamers isn't all that different, save for perhaps semantics from what I've heard. It's probably not even worth it for anything else.
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>>139697294
Semantics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jZrQlC9hJ8
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>>139697672
Dubfags never know what they are talking about.
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>>139694507
>soundtrack
>older characters weren't made useless
>half the length of 02
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>>139694507
To be honest, as boring as Hunters was I'd go back to it again anyday before I do 02 (And even Frontier, to a lesser extent.)

Whether that's because it's shorter or because it doesn't have a stupid plot on virtue of simply not having one, I don't know. But I did at the very least enjoy Hunters a bit. It was a refreshing new setting at the very least.

And what >>139697846 said.
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>>139697672
>Be brave Jerry

what
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>>139697672
God, the dub OST is horrible.
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Well, I didn't say I knew it that well. It's a pretty good example of how much the dub flounders around trying to change the meaning of the dialog, even if it was totally unnecessary. I suppose that's the last time I try to make like I know anything.
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>>139694507
The passing of the torch happens at end of the show, not at the beginning.
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>>139698573
YOU SAYING I NEED GOGGLES?
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>>139697672
>>139697956
> You have a lion heart

what?
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Yeah...I have no explanation, not even in context. It makes no sense no matter how you look at it.
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>>139697672

Speaking of dub comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m71HJZKdqzs&nohtml5=False
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>>139698573

That scene always pissed me off. Taichi kept those sentimental value googles for three years with him non stop and decides to give them to some random faggot just because
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>>139700098
Because Daisuke inherited his crest idiot.
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>>139686848
>>139686876
Yeah, the development for the kids outside of Takuya/Kouji is pretty poor.

Izumi, Junpei and Tomoki aren't helped by being painfully dull either.
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So is it true that Digimon became shit after Frontier? And don't quote this saying "but Frontier/Tamers/02/adventures are shit too anon!1" because I want to talk about the seasons after frontier. I haven't watched them and I need to know if I should even bother
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Frontier always irked me with how insufferable the dub is. It's why I tend to skip a lot of the earlier eps and just get to the point. Even then Useless and EvenMoreUseless are still a colossal pain. I imagine that doesn't change even for the raw, but I toughed it out for the plot actually being decent. How much does that change for the raw?
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>>139700435
Well, other than Savers (which although it had an almost perfect script, had bad dub ost), frontier probably has the best dub, so...
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>>139700316
I cannot speak for the raw, but I'd say Savers is decent for what it is. It's two most apparent flaws is that like Tamers, it gets off to a slow start, but once it gets going, no more punches are pulled, things escalate quite quickly. It does drag later on, though.

What I had to get over to watch it was ignoring that the digis are too similar to older ones, most notably the alternate Greymon line. I still cannot accept them, but I may make an exception under certain circumstances for Lalamon and Gaomon.
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>>139700316
Digimon became shit after Adventure, then got better after 02, then became pretty mediocre after Tamers, then got a bit more fun after Frontier, then became pretty decent with Xros. Then went back to shit with Hunters.
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>>139700605
>that the digis are too similar to older ones, most notably the alternate Greymon line
That was the main reason I didn't want to watch it because I didn't like the thought of recycling the posterboy of gen1. Also Greymon looks way to different from the original, they added random spikes to please the kids because yeah kids fucking love spikes and shit it just seemed so damn wrong
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>>139700689
So basically Savers and Xros are on par or even better with Tamers and Frontier? I really liked Tamers and Frontier had its good parts too so I guess I will give those other two seasons a try
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>>139700745
It's an entirely different species of Greymon though. There are like a million of them niggas.

http://wikimon.net/Greymon-species

Agumon's basically the mascot anyway, so it's not that weird they bought him back. He has an entirely different personality to Adventure Agumon so it's not like it's that big of a deal.
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>>139700316
>>139700605
i never watched frontier because i couldn't get into it; Savers is my favorite out of what I watched and to be honest I don't think i can exactly put a finger as to why. Tamers had some pacing both very early on and later on when it kept building hype for beelzemon but never quite ended up delivering on it properly, with most episodes being somewhat of a slog to go through. adventures 1 and 2 were ok, i guess, although 2 gets slightly worse after the midpoint.


what i liked about Savers was the characters being considerably better built and more realistic, some self-awareness regarding all the common tropes in the Digimon series which are sometimes played differently than expected which is always welcome. also by the time i got to it i kinda missed agumon.

>>139700903
definitely give savers a try. i haven't given Xros one yet
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The only reason I haven't watched xros is that I don't like the idea of xros. I know it's digimon, but even for it, it seems too outlandish. I otherwise have no problems with jogress or fusions or whatever you want to call them.

>>139700745
It's worth it if you can get past that. I had to ingest a massive helping of humble pie on that one.
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>>139700903
I would say both Savers and Xros are better then Frontier, but probably not Tamers.

Savers starts off very episodic with a MoTW format for a while, you've been warned.
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>>139700903
To be entirely honest Xros is worth it just for the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nst2BaQDIM8
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>>139700976
Indeed. I would advise not skipping over it, though. There are subtle plot hints that make sense later.
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>>139701039
Amen nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBxNA7vPqxo

>Fuck we can't get Wada for the Opening
>Dude just get him to sing like every insert song instead
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>>139701039
The protagonist looks tacky as fuck and his partner seems to be optimus prime? Well whatever I guess I'll try it anyway
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>>139701290
Well, the main digi is actually a dragon thing called Shoutmon. What you see here is sort of what xros is. One digimon becomes either a weapon or a part of another digi, and it results in this: they mass combine Megazord style.
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>>139701290
Taiki sue is the best goggle head nigga. Xros' gimmick is DigiXros, which basically has a one or more Digimon combine with another Digimon to power it up, but unlike Joggress the Digimon themselves don't merge and it's still the base Digimon in control.

It's different, it's what put a lot of people off the series to begin with. But I like how different every Digimon series is so it never bothered me.
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>>139701374
>>139701385
I really honestly don't know if I'm ok with that. I wasn't a fan of Digimon merging to one in 02 but this seems even more ridiculous. But I guess it can't hurt to take a look at it anyway
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>>139694507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bAg-ekFMAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjKfqCULvc8
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There's one thing that's piqued my interest about xros, though, but only for lore purposes. That is the Digital World being treated as a real, organic creation.
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>>139701548
Just don't watch it then. I can guarantee you right now you won't like it. DigiXros is the major focus the only two Digimon to get Evolutions are the main two and even they just become Xros fodder.

I can't begin to imagine what you'd think of the whole Army thing with Taiki having command over all of Xros Heart instead of just Shoutmon and having supporting humans without Digimon partners of their own.
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>>139701731
>I can't begin to imagine what you'd think of the whole Army thing with Taiki having command over all of Xros Heart instead of just Shoutmon and having supporting humans without Digimon partners of their own.
Such a shame that aspect disappeared once all the armies united under the Xros Heart banner.
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This was a good read. Shame the other Digimon manga never got this good.

Maybe Encode did, who knows. It'll never be translated.
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>>139701839
There were still some cool parts later on, but they were a bit more far and few inbetween. I recall the episodes with X7's debut being really cool.
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>>139701900
>Rosemon and Mari
>Rosemary
Really?
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Is he called like that because he has a thick head?
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>>139703312
He is the smart guy of the Royal Knights. Not the tactics guy though.
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>>139701548
>I really honestly don't know if I'm ok with that. I wasn't a fan of Digimon merging to one in 02 but this seems even more ridiculous
Yes, it is ridiculous. They also have a total disregard for the entire concept of Digimon levels [seriously, Shoutmon is holding his own against an entire herd of Mammothmon in the 1st episode], but it actually pulls off a rather decent story all the same.

XroWars also has A LOT of Digimon eyecandy in it, which is a definite plus.
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>>139704091
Neptunemon and Lucemon Satan Mode were monsters of the week. Fuck power levels.
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>>139704091
>They also have a total disregard for the entire concept of Digimon levels

Oh no what an unprecedented travesty.
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>>139704091
It's not the first Digimon series without levels.
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>>139704342
Doesn't this dude then get beaten the shit out of for the next 50 some episodes?
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I believe that the concept of "levels" is meaningless to digimon anyway. True, evo states still exist, but that has little bearing on what power they truly possess. Lest we forget there is a Rookie with more power than even most of the Royal Knights, even when evolved.
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>>139659744

Why despite how much of a pussy he was, Mugendramon was the only Dark Master who came back merged with Chimairamon to become Milleniummon?

And why did Puppetmon get the most episodes compared to the other Masters as well as having more characterization?
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>>139704342
>Comparing DigiSpirit Digimon to standard ones
Yeah, don't. Frontier from the start makes it clear that "digivolution" isn't anything like it was in any other series, so it's fine. Hearing that Xros makes Digivolving a thing again yet fucks over it and sticks with shiting "DNA" digivolving just proves how shit that really is.
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>>139704583
Mugendramon was a popular villain character in Digimon World 1. Naturally, Bandai would reuse it.
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>>139704583
Mugendramon is the Strongest Digimon.
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>>139704664
Sorry for comparing Digimon with no given levels to other Digimon with no given levels.
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>>139704925
Shoutmon's base form is a Child-Level according to suplementary materials. But since among other things Beelzebumon 2010 and Mervamon are Perfect-Level it is ambiguous how things relate in terms of more typical ones.
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>>139704583
To be fair, Mugendramon only didn't win because taichi and co got plot armor to the max and survived when he personally nuked them, and the city block they were standing on.
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>>139705060
>Didn't win because he wasn't able to kill them
Shocking.
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>>139704664
Frontier didn't have levels in general though. They are never mentioned at all, I only ever recall them being added in the dub.

>>139705057
In supplementary materials. In a series where no levels exist I don't see why Shoutmon taking down stronger Digimon is a problem. It was refreshing if you ask me.
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>>139704664
>dubfag

Opinion discarded.
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>>139704664
It barely makes evolving a thing again and it's evolution is a different type of Evolution to regular Evolution anyway. Unlike the other series Xros evolution is extremely rare and has to be "unlocked" first, and even then it's not the same in that they can just evolve again and again, their one Super Evolution is their Evolution so it's natural they have to further augment their power with Xros.

Goddamn I hate dubfags.
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>>139704664
But Evolution in Xros isn't anything like it was in other series too?
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>>139705217
What is the point of needing to Xros for most fights in the early sections if Shoutmon can waste hordes of perfects? Like at this rate X4 should already be endgame levels of strength.
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>>139705437
Because they aren't perfect level. I'm fairly certain Evolution as a concept in general didn't exist in Xros until Super Evolution was introduced, so naturally levels don't exist, meaning Mammon isn't a perfect level.

It's really not rocket science.
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>>139705437
"Endgame"? You should know there is no such thing for digimon.
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>>139705437
Because Shoutmon can't waste hordes of perfects, he can waste hordes of Mammothmon, as in this universe, Mammothmon is not Perfect.
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>>139705544
Okay. So these Mammon just had really shitty stats compared to ones in other universes.
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>>139705437
>Tell someone there are no levels
>Proceed to follow up with a post about why Shoutmon can beat a high level Digimon

wew lad
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>>139705621
Pretty much. Digimon strength in Xros seems to vary per individual rather then species or level. I can get why people might not like that since it's not what we're used too, but I still think it was refreshing.

I wouldn't want it again mind you.
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>>139705681
They should have gone full ham and have a Tanemon which is stronger than Lilithmon.
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>>139705715
I'd pay money to see that.
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Why stop there? Have a Poyomon or something hop on to her and kiss her, causing a BSOD that dissolves her entirely.
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>>139704342
Didn't watch much of Frontier, so I wouldn't know.

Also, what >>139704664 said about Frontier's digivolution being different from others. Though technically speaking DigiSpirit Digimon DO have given levels.

>>139704568
>I believe that the concept of "levels" is meaningless to digimon anyway. True, evo states still exist, but that has little bearing on what power they truly possess. Lest we forget there is a Rookie with more power than even most of the Royal Knights, even when evolved.

I assume we're talking about Lucemon's rookie form here? He's kind of a special case, especially since he was the Big Bad in Frontier [plus the whole 'rebelling against God/Yggdrasil' thing].

That said, Lucemon Falldown Mode being more powerful than most Ultimates despite only being a Perfect level Digimon apparently isn't so unique down in the Dark Area.

According to Wikimon, Astamon despite being only at Perfect level, "possesses power surpassing that of an Ultimate, and is a Prince of the Dark Area which governs a legion of Demon Digimon." Sidenote: Astamon got the absolute worst treatment in Xros Hunters. Srsly, fuck Quartzmon in the eye with a rusty pipe

I guess something about being royalty in the Dark Area gives Digimon a massive power boost.
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>>139700170
His reasoning in story though was just that Daisuke broke his goggles, which doesn't seem like a good enough reason to give Daisuke his goggles. Tajiru at least earned his.
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>>139705834
Nah, just getting defeated so she goes through a training program of punching bags, running on a treadmill with a bunch of Guardromon strapped to her back, eating massive amounts of protein, and reading books on forbidden knowledge. Then there would be a super-muscular Lilithmon with larger breasts, dress has machine bits on it, and more wings that is revealed to just be her imagine spot while she is passed out and has no apparent improvement.
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>>139704925
>Shoutmon fucking digivolves in the 30th episode of the dub.
If you knew what you're talking about, you'd stop talking shit. Even the villian digimon he was fighting against specifically states a Digimon shouldn't evolve to the NEXT LEVEL without time and training, proving there are, indeed, LEVELS.
>>139705217
That's exactly what I said. They didn't have "standard digivolution", that was my point against >>139704342 's statement.
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Well, that's a matter that's always confused me. There's a ton of digimon with supposedly world ending powers and even a select few that transcend realities. They haven't always been portrayed as so is the thing. I suppose one should keep in mind that one portrayal is not necessarily the same as another. I've had this pointed out to me about the Royal Knights of Frontier vs the ones of Savers.
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>>139706136
Hmmm...maybe another matter that confuses me is that maybe they have no concept of anything being the most powerful of anything. Instead, there's several that all boast the same power, all existing at once.
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>>139706369
The bios generalize the abilities and personality of the species. Some are actually stronger than bios, some are weaker.
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>>139704568
I agree. Especially given how diverse and different almost every piece of Digimon media is. It's a funny thing for people to get so butthurt over.
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>>139705681
>Digimon strength in Xros seems to vary per individual rather then species or level.
That would explain why a Perfect level like Knightmon could only battle the incompetent IceDevimon & his army of mooks to a stalemate in the Lake Zone before Taiki & co showed up.
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>>139706085
Xros doesn't have standard Evolution either.

Super Evolution is something entirely different to regular Evolution. Also please don't be a retard and use dub dialogue as any means of anything. Especially not to backup an argument.

Xros' Evolution takes regular Digimon's "Growing up" to an extreme. A digimon doesn't have levels, but they change form as they train or work hard instead. It's similar to Evolution we know, but not the same. There are no levels. A child Digimon doesn't grow and evolve into an Adult Digimon, a smaller, weak Digimon grows into a more powerful Digimon.

Super Evolution specifically is the act of a Digimon becoming their future self.
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>>139706447
Adventure really drilled in people's head how one-sided the advantage of higher levels were. Although victory by lower isn't impossible.
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>>139706656
Also for the record if he had meant "Level" he would have literally said "Level", but he doesn't. He specifically uses a different word. It's not just a fansub translation error.

>>139706717
It drilled it into my head too but It didn't turn me into a total retard either.
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>>139706815
It really shouldn't have done that Muh Crests thing in favor of just fighting and becoming stronger.
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>>139706656
that's why I liked Savers, because after a whole season of throwing the evolution levels, Savers brought it back because is a simple concept that shouldn't be distorted this much. XrosWar again ignored the level exist and made Xros as their evolution method which leaves more questions
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I see...then all of this is truly flexible to what we desire. Even the order of the states.
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>>139706436
>Some are actually stronger than bios, some are weaker.
Or if your like Lucemon, it's both (more or less).

As far as I can tell, the bio for a Digimon is what the default version is supposed to be like. Whether that Digimon actually portrays the default version depends entirely on the universe's writer.

That said, if the Seven Great Demon Lords or anyone else from the Dark Area royalty shows up in Tri (Astamon, technically GrandDracmon, etc), I expect that Toei will use their default versions and not something like what happened in Xros Wars.
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>>139661075
Same, we got the German dub in RTL2 in Romania.
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>>139706996
Xros power is exponential. Except for when one or more of the components is a comic relief character like Jiji, Bastemon, or Evilmon.
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>>139661605
I dunno man, even as a kid I hated it aside from the digimon, devas were the best part, everything else is shit tier

>there will be never be a god tier digimon series with digidestined that form the royal knights vs the demon lords
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>>139708019
>There will never make a series about Ryo
>They'll never mention about the very first chosen children ever again or go more into detail about them
>They'll never explore more things about their world like they did in Evolution X
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>>139706656
>Xros doesn't have standard Evolution either.
>Super Evolution is something entirely different to regular Evolution.
Yes and no.
Xros Wars (and Frontier, based on what I've been able to figure out), introduced a concept similar to 'levels' called 'Class'.

For example:

Officially Agnimon is listed as both a Hybrid AND a Perfect level Digimon. However, his 'CLASS' is Adult-class (this is the case for most 'human hybrid Digimon. Beast Hybrids are 'Perfect-class' power-wise, and so on.)

Compare with Shoutmon, who is a Child Level and a Child Class.

Now, when Shoutmon 'Super Evolves' to OmegaShoutmon, Class-wise he pulls a Keramon and goes all the way up to Perfect-class. As for golden boy's Level, he's both an Ultimate (in Digimon Crusader) AND an Adult (in the recently released Digimon World -next 0rder-).

Finally, for comparison in Xros Wars universe, let's take a look at Gumdramon from Xros Hunters and Kiriha's Greymon

Gumdramon= Child Level/Child Class
Now for his Digivolved form...
Arresterdramon= Adult Level/Adult Class

Greymon = ??? Level/Adult Class
When Super Evolved...
ZekeGreymon = Ultimate Level/Perfect Class

From what I can tell , "Class" is the creators' way of sorting the otherwise 'unspecified level' Digimon into the normal categories six stages of Digivolution.

It also shows that Super Evolution is essentially the same thing as Matrix Evolution in Tamers.
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>>139708368
oh god this just kills me, all that ambiguity around zeedmilleniumon
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>>139708418
well Matrix Evolution was also a Warp Evolution, except Matrix can jump 1 or 2 levels ahead and Warp only jumps 2. Super Evolution just looked like something pulled out of the ass as a way to return to the original formula but keeping it fresh
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Worst season and worst cast
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>>139709083
it wasn't that bad, i mean is no Xros Hunter
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>>139709284
Young Hunters only bad character was Taigairu. All the Frontier cast is far worse than him.
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>>139706894
Pretty sure the superiority of 'Muh Crests' was disproved back when Keramon trolled the hell out of the Digidestined by warp-digivolving to Infermon and then shooting Greymon & Kabuterimon mid-Digivolution in Our War Game!

Which I still find hilarious 16 years later.
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>>139709467
I agree and also think the crest meant shit, knowing gennai those things had no actual value and only served as a way to test the kids and their partners compatibility

which was obviously portrayed with skullgreymon
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>>139709421
>Young Hunters only bad character was Taigairu.
is this a joke

the rival team (ryouma, airu and ren) were fucking abysmal
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>>139709467
can't say if that was some 4th wall breaking but that really was unexpected even the dub version Taichi (i think) said something like "they haven't finished evolving" or something like that, which was funny how they acknowledge it

>>139709421
Frontier wanted to be Adventure except something went wrong.
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>>139709284
No.
Young Hunters:
+fight scenes
+designs
+soundtrack
+old cast isn't completely useless
+villains are okay
+plot was average
-Taigiru

Frontier:
+N/A
-main cast
-villains
-no partners
-designs
-soundtrack
-plot was shit and nothing happens
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>>139709683
the "no partners" thing was surely it
the villain were alright, main cast aside from sexy shota boy were shit
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>>139709625
I think that was the intention of the final battle in Adventure, but then 02 had to shit all over it. I refuse to believe this as well. If the power was within their spirit, then they can't lose it. It was all bullshit.
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>>139709689
Hunters' plot is all over the place and is one of the reasons it sucks so much.
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>>139709683
>Frontier wanted to be Adventure except something went wrong.
Everything went wrong with Frontier. There is nothing good about it.
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>>139709751
02 was such a clusterfuck
for one I was glad there were some alt evos
but damn that plot
and the fact that they used a demon lord for literally nothing felt exactly like the lost dragomon plot

what the shit was wrong with those writers?
deva's were top notch though
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>>139709734
>the villain were alright
They are the most boring and forgettable villains in the franchise.
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>>139709776
the OP/ED and the Susanoomon theme song are the only good things from Frontier
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>>139709834
I liked lucemon and his intentions... but yeah, I can agree they were the most forgettable ones in the series
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I thought general consensus was that 02 was the worst season for shitting on Adventure and for its own share of plot holes, unlikable characters and inconsistences both with adventure and within its own show
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>>139709846
>OP/ED and the Susanoomon theme song
No, they are just bad songs. Frontier really did nothing right.
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>>139709992
That's mainly why 02's at the bottom.

Frontier isn't that much better really.
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>>139709998
don't be a sourpussmon
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>>139709755
>Hunters' plot is all over the place and is one of the reasons it sucks so much.
>implying Hunters had a fucking a coherent plot to begin with
Seriously, Hunters' plot was a shitshow start to finish. I meaning, bringing in all the teams from other universes? When the hell did Digimon become a Super Sentai show? It was bad enough when Xros Wars started out giving off vibes that it wanted to be Medabots or Voltron with the DigiXros concept
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>>139710166
>Seriously, Hunters' plot was a shitshow start to finish.
The problem is there's a plot in there but nobody could be bothered to follow it for the majority of the season.
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>>139710161
I'm not. Frontier just has really bad music.
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>>139709992

Don't talk shit about 02. What if Takeru hears you?
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>>139711192
Then we will have to fight if he so desires it. I personally find it pointless.
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>>139711192
Fuck Takeru and what he thinks. He's a shit.
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>>139709083
I don't remember these characters in Tamers.
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>>139705057
Xros Digimons are ALL classified as level-less in the Reference Book.

Their levels in games are there only for gameplay proposes

>>139705862
>I guess something about being royalty in the Dark Area gives Digimon a massive power boost.
it's the reverse: because they are really powerful, they get to domains and titles.

>>139708418
>>Officially Agnimon is listed as both a Hybrid AND a Perfect level Digimon
No: Agnimon's ONLY official level is HYBRID.

He gets Perfect level in Next 0rder exclusively because gameplay mechanics

"Class" is used only in Wikimon as a way to refer their use in the card game. It means "it's being treated like it's [level]"


in Xros Wars, Digimon simply age. This bring some degree of body change over time, resulting, in some cases, to become a different "name" Digimon.

See Shoutmon in Young Hunters: he has a different look, but he's still a Shoutmon.
But he Super-Evolves into his "peak" future completely grown-up form, which is an OmegaShoutmon.


Please note, though, this is true only in the XW Anime: in the XW Manga it's stated explicitly the Digimon has been level-locked.(it's resolved at the end of the manga)
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>>139709998
You do not diss Arisawa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07jeJHtSoCc
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Biggest dreamer AMV is at over 7 million views, which I think is still the most seem digimon related video on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZZFWuwuuZA
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>>139713422
Dat shit taste
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>>139709674
Cool subversion of edgelord since despite his dark appearance and stoicism was determined to be a heroic person like Taiki, attractive loli with unique personality, and then an annoying little shit.
2/3 isn't horrible.
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>>139715557
>teenager
>loli
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Is anything worth watching post-Tamers?
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>>139716542
Just watch and judge for yourself.
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What cute bffs they are.
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>>139715711
>Middle school student
>Teenager
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>>139720175
It is marginally possible, but they'd have to be in 7th or 8th grade.
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