You remember, right?
PSA from the DEWAG Berlin-intern VAA
Two nights ago we suffered a devastating shelling of our offices at Nalepastraße 203/205 in Oberschöneweide by counter-revolutionary forces.
Due to proximity to the frontline we have relocated to Wilhelmstraße 67 in Mitte to assure the safety of our staff.
Please do not worry, for terrorist actions wil never dull the passion for Katja that we here at the VAA have in our hearts.
PSA from the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
How do we frustrate the criminal plans of our opponent?
Alertness means that all those who work for peace must implement the government’s new course in a speedy and unbureaucratic manner, which will bring a rapid improvement in the life of Katja, and keep their eyes and ears open.
Our enemies are attempting to sow suspicion and mistrust against the party of Katja, her workers and its functionaries through raging terrorism. They are spreading the most absurd and awful rumors and slanders, following Hitler’s principle that the bigger the lie, the more readily it is believed. They use existing difficulties to incite the workers against their own state. The enemy is not interested in eliminating such difficulties, but rather the opposite. They want to increase them. They therefore spread slogans among the masses that would have the worst results for them. For example, they encourage the farmers not to deliver foodstuffs to the state.
By law only Genosse Theodore can bully Katia.
Es lebe die Deutsche Demokratische Republik
>mfw crashing that last thread
If there is a shitposter lurking you can be 100% guaranteed it's a Beatoposter.
I bet no one remembers we used to have two commisars.
Yeah, you're an obnoxious, worthless cunt who destroys thread etiquette. You Beatoscum are the same ones who go full /vg/ with awful 'edition' shit and things like >>139010967
Anon did you ever get that beer I told you to get last night?
High blood pressure is not good for your health. Neither is getting upset because someone on 4chan is not posting the way you want.
>You Beatoscum are the same ones who go full /vg/ with awful 'edition' shit
What kind of loser do you think I am? Video games are for man children and cucks.
Two commissars is redundant, but it's redundant on purpose. certain units with an expected mortality rate will be given a double complement of officers, because they know that they aren't all going to survive contact and they can't afford to wait for someone else to fill in. With Commissars in particular, you can't have someone else step into that role easily unless they've been trained to do it. Also, you might need someone to shoot the commissar.
I believe that in particular, some airborne/paratrooper divisions in World War 2 had a double complement of lieutenants when they dropped, because, for example, the airborne operations on D-Day had a projected casualty rate of 80% in the first day. Ironically, they actually suffered only around 20% casualties because almost none of the units actually landed where they were supposed to.
You can't just have 1 undermanned TSF squad operate in the Cottbus area.
At the time of the Maelstrom there were 4 or 3 undermanned squads assembled in the (Temporary) Hannibal Special Composite Group.
Normally they were separate as seen in the opening Laserjagd.
Of course each had their own politzoffizier.
But the only two of importance were Mirei and Gretel.
Relatives raised as siblings achually
>Gretel and Marei buddy cop commissariat adventures never
Theo: muh promise of protection
Katia: muh theodor-san
Lise: muh oni-chan's dick
Beatrix: muh Jurgen
Iris: muh oni-chan
Gretel: muh liver
Anett: muh dead friends
Inghild: muh marco
Pham: muh flowers
Walter: muh polandballs
Sylvia: muh walter
Suzy muh revolution
Rebel General: muh subordinates
Kirke: muh west germany
Joachim: muh subordinate's ass
Axmann: muh discs
Axmann's fuccboi: muh axmann
Schmidt: muh nukes
Farka: muh identity
Werewolfs: muh beatrix
Schwarzesmarken: muh luv
I counted almost three dozen Werewolf TSFs including Borkwalde and we only get a handful of cockpit views. I feel cheated, we could've had more cute girls.
What happened to the anon that posted the Iris Snow White/DBZ images and the Ketchup + Jurgen fuccboi images?
They always added some humor to the threads.
Is translator-anon still posting only on the wikis as well?
Fuck off. That guy was a horrifically obnoxious shitposting Gretelfag, and I am glad that he's gone. You couldn't so much as post a single image of Iris without him throwing a bitchfit.
I'm not surprised a Beatofag is the one lamenting him.
>I'm not surprised a Beatofag is the one lamenting him.
I actually found it interesting how much he hated Iris but at the same time how much he was obsessed with her.
All I viewed him as was another wacky person in these threads that tied the room together.
irisfags use shitposting to compensate for the lack of the your character's screentime.
You're pretty absolutely wrong there. I couldn't even post pics like this one without him whining.
It was awful. I was about to leave until he got banned.
>It was awful. I was about to leave until he got banned.
Come on anon.
It is like this poster >>139012592.
I expect to see them every thread and it just isn't the same without them.
I sure as fuck don't, you worthless ESL faggot. He wasn't here for fucking most of the threads, he was only around since about episode 09. It's been such a great few days without him.
Screw you and your multiple waifus.
Farka is my waifu!
What is ESL? Is it related to your manchild hobbies again anon?
Anyway I love these threads because I even know that you, angry anon, will call me a faggot.
>Calls me a subhuman based on my language usage.
>Is literally so mad that he cannot into punctuation.
Oh anon. I do appreciate your posts.
Stop playing the video games and do something more productive okay? It is what your mom wants.
What is your favourite communist nation anon?
It clearly is you anon. Your try-hard aggression and rage are a dead give away.
As well as your posting structure and word use.
Have you ever browsed reddit before? If not you would fit in very well there.
Gretel burned in agony. She could feel the cheap gel sticking to her in the searing inferno. Humiiatingly still, it refused to melt off. Instead, it got stuck to her. The gel was fusing to her body, and she could do nothing but scream! The 'best' part about this was that the gel warped to fill up the hole in her stomach, ensuring that she wouldn't even have the relative peace of bleeding out. Instead, she had to deal with the fire rising about her. She had to inhale so much smoke her head felt dizzy, and yet never enough to make her pass out from it.
The girl's lungs were on fire. Her glasses cracked. She couldn't even lift her arm to look at a shred of paper that had fallen nearby. What was all of this good for? She failed the 666th, she let Axmann get away, and at the rate the rebels were going, he might actually make a getaway. And what then? What would he do to the others? Would they even know about what he did to her? Would she just burn away, forgotten by all, in this forbidden pit of fire? Her scalp got singed, and soon enough, it too was on fire. Gretel would be bald!
That would be it. Gretel had to feel herself getting burned into some sick, twisted parody of a statue. She couldn't even begin to describe the pain of feeling her pilot suit's metal, which actually turned out to be cheap plastic, melting into goo and sticking to the floor, sticking to her limbs, freezing her in place and dragging her down. Interestingly enough, from how quickly the boiling-hot goo formed around her, she felt it forming a mold around her. A mold that would turn her into a statue. The glasses soon fell off from her and shattered. Yet now she didn't need them anymore. She could see freedom at last - freedom from all of this.
At last, Gretel could feel her body giving out, and embrace the specter of death at long last.
Yet even as she fell into the abyss, she knew the truth in her heart all along, though, and could at last admit it:
Axmann always wins, baby!
Anon, how do you have such a literally talent to write such posts?
Yui sat on the sofa. She could see the bangs of her dyed blonde creeping over her vision. She had tried to escape earlier. The Master had, of course, caught her, and after injecting something into her neck, had brought her back into his office. He sat next to her, with one arm wrapped around her. He was, as always, extremely gentle, but she could feel the hard muscle of his arm around hers, and she knew that if she tried to get up, he could easily prevent her. They were not alone. The redheaded woman who did her hair was there as well. She had brought a four-pack of inexpensive lager. Two of the cans sat unopened on the table in front of her. The master and the woman each sipped one of the others.
'How can she just let this happen?' Yui wondered to herself. Who was this woman? The Master was usually a very single minded person, either as he worked on his nefarious schemes, or single minded in his obsession with the girl he now called "Lise." Around this woman, he seemed different. At ease. The Master and this woman sipped their beer as the woman flipped through the channels on the Master's television, occasionally pausing, but only long enough for one of them to make some sort of lame attempt at humor which the other invariably found hilarious. The normality of it all was maddening to Yui, caught as she was both literally and figuratively in the Master's grip, and forcefully turned into a completely different person to suit his strange tastes.
"Do they even know I'm here?" Yui became aware of the Master's and the woman's gazes falling on her. She had spoken out loud.
"Oh, I'm sorry, Lise. Did you want one?" The woman spoke to Yui, gesturing to her can of lager.
"Don't worry, I'll give her one of mine." The Master picked up the nearest can, opened it and handed it to the girl wrapped in his arm. Yui took the can, thoroughly confused. She sipped it nervously. Who were these people?
So what is everyone looking forward too for the next VN?
the possibility of a good end in the Iris route, the imouto routes, crying at the various deaths and romance moments, then maybe later reminiscing on it and posting the CGs (Like the kissing CGs) casually while discussing it and maybe inadvertently spoiling anons that those are a thing.
Will these threads still be around by then anon?
Won't Lise's route be where Beato-san lives?
>Daily reminder that waifushit is a cancer that has ruined all SM's threads. Autistic beta waifufags (irisfags, beatofags, lisefags) will kick and scream and defend ALL waifushit (Iris, Beatrix, Lise) no matter how bad things get, no matter how terrible, poorly written, generic, repetitive, boring , stereotype, cunt and bland the character is.
>If it gets their dick hard: it's great. It doesn't matter to them how fucking awful the character is. They're exactly like furries who will hand over $100 for some peice of shit drawing just because it tickles their fantasies.
These threads are pretty civil in regards to waifus. Also complaining about waifushit in a harem game is silly anon.
How can you tell anon?
Are you still that mad anon?
You know anon. If you weren't such a newfag you would understand if you don't like a poster you just ignore them and they would go away.
She just acts like "a girl," or more accurately, an over-the-top facsimile of how a cliché otaku might describe "that 3-D bitch, looking down on me."
We’re supposed to excuse her behavior because of her dark sordid evil science past. She’s going to act like a complete bastard for the entire show using her sob story as a shield. Its boring and irritating.
I thought it was a Katiafag that caused all the problems?
I hate you for being a waste of space that clogs up the image AND post count with your garbage. Just like I hate the other guy.
If YOU weren't such a newfag, you'd know that the standard response on 4chan is to belittle and harass a poster until they get the hint.
There he is, at it again.
Just ignore my posts anon. It is not that hard.
You replying to my posts are ruining this thread just as much as my posts are. Hell half this thread is you being a try hard cunt arguing with me because you can.
Good job killing the thread.
>If YOU weren't such a newfag, you'd know that the standard response on 4chan is to belittle and harass a poster until they get the hint.
You clearly come from the reddit generation. Begone.
It's pretty fucking hard to do that when you waste time making shitty posts and encouraging other terrible posters to come back. Might as well have some fun making fun of you and watching you get mad as fuck that somebody's making fun of you.
>You clearly come from the reddit generation.
The fucking irony of a redditor daring to tell me that.
Typical shitty /k/ancer memespouting.
Clam down anon, this buttdevastation isn't good for you
Leave once and for all, /k/ancer.
Make like a glock and blow yourself up.
Your insults are about as accurate as an AK's shots,
The only similarity between you and an A10's guns is the BRRRRRT sound you both make.
i hope we get more updates and a major one
it has been too long
4chan has the worst Schwarzesmarken fanbase".
70% → waifufag / haremfag / ecchifag
15% → shoujofag / romancefag
10% → solfag
03% → fujofag
01% → actionfag
01% → mechafag
Dont be like that.
What do you have against them?
heartis the biggest!
Reminder she's executed dissidents too. Not much sympathy from my end, despite her tragic end.
Don't forget there are also trainee squads, like the ones the 666th were supposed to help during the first Seelow Heights battle.
It doesn't work like that anon.
I want to sleep with Kirke-chan.
It does work that way. I make it work that way.
She's Stasi you fuckwad.
Pls, ESL man, you do what you want, but please don't involve the best girls like Pham and Beato in this.
There's many author anons here, not just one.
It feels good when I mention something, explain something or some ideas, and later on people adopt the idea and wording into stories.
The many routes.
The chance for a happy world.
How fucking cruel.
I'm surprised no one noticed the rapey Theo and the suddenly bashful Bea.
You only fool yourself that you're making it work that way.
Hurry and ship my BD copy amazon
I need my Katia cover and Katia ver. ED
I dunno why, even with the funky fingers, I like the thematic styling this artist did
>Sylwia fill with righteous hatred
>Gretel steely hearted
>Iris and Walther calm and collected
>Pham still in oneesan mode
And the second ain't so bad either. I disagree with Ingild, but I can see why.
>Anette is grinning
>Inhild and Theo suffering their own ways
>Lise is insane with desire
Katia holding the 2 that Inghild had
We are here for you
One being a infinitely many times better than the other, but yes.
meiya being saved from suffering when?
her being save in the name of true love when
I want a Sylwia fuck buddy.
I bet she's actually a great lay.
But she already has a senpai.
Shhh...keep your head high. She would want that.
I'm not sure even then. Headpatting her is Walther only. Well no, that's not correct. Pham could do it too, but she'd more likely squeeze Sylwia in her chest with a hug to cheer her up.
Muv Luv in general seems to like this though. Hell, they do it to themselves.
It's obvious why she clung to Walther in retrospect.
Young Sylwia was an innocent, kindly treasure.
She reverts back to her old self, in her most unguarded moments.
>Theodor dropped his eyes to the snow and mud covered asphalt. Though he had anticipated that this would happen, having it become reality was still a heavy blow. He felt his heart rate increase; he was connected with this person whom the Ministry of State Security was investigating. Theodor felt someone touch his right arm. Turning his head on reflex, he saw Katia clinging to him in a half-daze, her expression frozen.
No wonder Theo thought of killing Katia repeatedly. Guess the anime didn't really do a good job of impressing just how paranoid Theo is, and how it is a grave threat he could be taken in.
What drugs? The LN is pretty glorious,
>“…How did things come to this?” Theodor heard, as he felt the grip on his right arm grow tighter.
>He couldn’t believe his ears. Theodor turned to stare at the person who had spoken those words, with wide eyes. Katia, who was gripping him tightly, had taken a deep breath, and looked like she was preparing to yell something.
>What is she going to do…!?
>“I don’t know why I’m being suspected, but… this way of doing things is definitely wrong!” Katia cried.
>“Don’t interrupt a discussion between superior officers, Unterleutnant Waldheim!” Gretel immediately snapped back. “This is a discussion concerning your disposition! It isn’t a matter you have any say in!”
>“No, do continue, Unterleutnant Waldheim,” Beatrix cut off Gretel’s reprimand. “Just where are we mistaken? Do tell,” Beatrix prompted Katia, smiling like a beast that had cornered its prey.
What an idiot. At least she acclimates into the ways of hatred, cruelty, and mistrust that prevail in the East rather quickly.
That would be Silesians and Slovenes, probably followed by Czechs.
Poles are very slav still, don't you try to think otherwise Josef.
This is the world of Muv Luv.
Even in real life, such a land doesn't exist, friend.
You have to try to make your own little corner of paradise.
Only those who are willing to sacrifice may have a land to call their own.
They're really annoying and/or terrifying in CK2 and EU3/4 when you're a small Eastern up-and-comer.
They removed...well fucking hell, they removed a lot.
>Gradually, I grew to see and love them as my true family. And at the same time, I came to regain my trust in humanity, which I had lost back in the orphanage. The bright and cheerful Lise had broken down the walls around my heart, which I had thought impregnable.
>Father didn’t lie. The three treated me like a genuine member of the family, although it took some time for me to finally realize it. I felt like I had finally been saved; for the first time in my life, I prayed and gave thanks to the one called God.
Theo...Theo had a hard life.
We already hate everything and everyone now. It can only go up with Trump. Our love is gonna be YUUUUUGE!
I want to shoot their kneecaps and elbows and watch them helplessly slither towards each other in the pools of their own blood. And when they're about to touch, I flip a coin and put a bullet through the brain of the loser. Then I chuckle as the blood-and-brain smeared "winner" looks in shock at the cadaver of the other.
I feel all giddy now.
Theo's nightmare he has very often
>This wasn’t real; this was a nightmare. I understood that. In this dream, I would always wake up in the same place. I would always wake up in the forest, surrounded by blood-soaked corpses.
>In the darkness, the corpses slowly get to their feet, and draw close to me. They turn their tortured faces to me, staring at me with gaping, hollow eye sockets.
>“Why did big brother survive?” they ask in an accusing voice. “Why is big brother following someone who is friends with those who sold us out?”
>“Why? Why? Why?” the voices echo.
>“Why, big brother? Why didn’t you protect me!?”
His last image of Lise was the exact same as his nightmares.
Jesus fucking Christ.
With all the dicks that thrusted inside her and the olympic pool sized cum she swallowed and took inside she's more than a semen demon
She makes Sylwia look like a pristine virgin
>Marai stared at the photo — A younger Hannibal, a woman who looked like an aristocrat, and two young boys, were pictured. Everyone had wide, happy smiles on their faces. They stood in front of a house that Marai assumed was their own.
>“The only one among them left alive is me,” Hannibal continued speaking, his voice sad. “Both my sons died in the war. My wife… was taken to a concentration camp, just because one of her cousins was a leader in an anti-government movement… I don’t know what became of her. At the time, I feared too much for my life, and did nothing to stop it…”
>Hannibal twisted his lips in a self-derisive sneer.
>“Even though I wasn’t taken, I lost everything anyway. I had nothing left. The reason I came to you was probably in order to escape from that reality…”
>Marai grasped Hannibal’s hand with a sorrowful look. She could somewhat guess the reason he was saying such things now.
>Tears spilled down her cheeks — she, too, had sought for momentarily relief. A year ago, when she had wanted to forget the sadness of losing her lover on the battlefield, there had been no one else but him—
So we actually have an official mourning couple. They probably tried to pretend it's their old loves when they do it.
So I was reading some Chink/Jap threads and Schmidt here being a Soviet agent IS anime original. Why did they change this? It doesn't add anything to the anime and doesn't make much sense, especially because Schmidt had been conniving his way to the top for over a decade. Beatrix having him killed because he was planning to launch nukes at the BETA/rebels, was trying to backstab her, and was on her revenge hitlist is good enough motivation.
I guess it's because they've introduced a plot hole by making her uncharismatic as fuck and needed to give a reason how she could've so easily taken Schmidt's spot.
If you control+f the final volume, Gregory Andropov doesn't pop up. I'd really need to read it more in depth. Perhaps it's one of the changes the VN/BiS made, like how Axmann was made younger to be a better adversary for Jurgen.
Yes, yes indeed.
I mean lines have been posted here, but frankly, even that doesn't get into the depth of just how things are. I suspected a lot of this though, so it's good I guess I have a grasp on what's the story in this, and the motivations, desires, and feelings of characters.
Can't wait till SM VN is translated.
>Concentration camps by themselves are not a bad thing.
no its shit
shit fucks who have creepy blank eyes are everywhere
fuck concentration camps
They're stasi concentration camps. I'd imagine the living conditions would be comparable to the worst of the Nazi's deathcamps. Makes me wonder if LN Axmann, Lise, or Beatrix ever served as camp guards/executioners.
I think in this context it just means the gulag system equivalent they had. Not necessarily a death camp. Nearly all commie countries had some camp network like this at some point.
Anger and despair. Lise's way more likable, her sacrifices more obvious, and her motivations not as insane in the LN (capture Theo, jail him if he can't be turned, get reprieve from "kind" Beatrix after rebellion, save Oni-chan). I've got a Chink reaction thread where the LN readers mourn her passing; I'll see if I can't drag up a Jap or Korean thread sometime later:
Would Beatrix and Lise make good wives and mothers?
We all know Pham would probably be the best wife/mother
>Irisdina finished briefing them on the changes to the mission. Then, looking at the Pilots, she added “We have a little time before we launch, so make sure to take care of any business beforehand, if you can. Be sure to empty your bladders, so that you won’t wet yourself during the mission — you got that, Unterleutnant Waldheim?”
Katia is bullied by everyone. Literally everyone.
Beatrix and Lise would make excellent mothers. They'd need of course something to help them heal first. But they have very caring, loving attitudes at heart.
Political dissidents and the sick/enfeebled could be argued to be a drain on resources, especially with all the food shortages. Still doesn't make much sense as the resources to run concentration camps would outweigh the resources saved from sheering off the unwanted.
Really, it's because Schmidt in the LNs is evil and is kind of a Nazi anyways.
If they are work camps then I can understand but if it's not a camp where they are forced to work then what the fuck.
>experience the world of BETA's
>just like the visual novel
why would i ever fucking want that?
Beatrix is, with all her talk of UN cooperation this and that (and her family being the rulers of the DDR's economic affairs before Ketchup got spilled all over them). Axmann is for Axmann. He doesn't give a shit so long as he's on top.
>there are still no breeding centers
Anon....Dont remind me of what we could have had.
If Beatrix really was a kike, would that stop you from putting a baby into her oven?
She's not, but that wouldn't stop me in any case.
The VN had an even better part. She gets dizzy after Beatrix's interrogation and Theo catches her. When she opens her eyes and sees that he's the one holding her up, she swoons and passes out.
Ufufufu, this mysterious person saving Theo's butt and then staring at him for a while, I wonder who it could be?
>Right after the words left her mouth, a MiG-23 landed right in front of Katia’s MiG-21, pointing its assault cannon at her.
>Before Theodor could do more than gasp, it opened fire with the 36mm—killing a Grappler behind Katia that she hadn’t noticed.
>While Katia’s mouth opened and closed in surprise, the MiG-23 relaxed its stance, lowering the aim of the cannon. It turned towards Theodor’s unit, staring at him. Without a datalink connection, Theodor was unable to tell who the Pilot was, and could only stare back silently.
>The two TSFs faced-off for several seconds without moving—and then, as if nothing had happened, the MiG-23 turned away, blasting off in search of its next prey. The gracefulness of its movements was a sight to behold, it could have even been called beautiful.
I'm willing to bet that that's VN-original content. He wouldn't really be a compelling adversary in Katia's route otherwise, not really much to distinguish him. He's probably going to have the KGB march in and take over the DDR in Katia's route.
I want Gretel to live and to see te final victory of socialism over the capitalistic BETA.
Never lose hope comrade
But it will be hard, so very hard
Was she licking her lips at the thought of Theo?
Whoever it was, of course?
I want to join Gretel's political indoctrination sessions
She's so perfect.
And the actual MC of this show.
I wonder how it would look if they used 3D TSF models in the VN instead of sprites in similar way they did with Ever 17 remake. They already have a bunch of them because of the anime projects.
sweet Honecker have mercy on me
I want to cum on that troubled face of hers.
Let me get this straight, anon. You WANT to be Axmann's boytoy? Do keep in mind what that means. If you become his boytoy, he'll expect service anytime, anywhere. Let's say you're just going for a walk in the streets and he happens to feel like facefucking you today. He'll just force you down on the ground and make you suck his cock in the middle of the streets. People could be -watching-, and he wouldn't care at all. Anyone who'd raise a fuss would just be sent to the concentration camps. You'll just lick around his salty, smelly, unwashed cock, get your fucking jaw dislocated when he decides he's going to shove his balls in there and not just his cock - so you'll be sucking on a whole lot of dick at once.
You won't be able to choose when it happens. When you're horny and pleading for him to fuck, he'll smack you around and tell you to lie down. When you're cold and feeling a little down, he'll just kick you down and give you something to really cry about. Your insides will be totally covered in his creamy white sauce. Even when you're walking around you might burp and smell the stench of his semen wafting up.
Oh, and if you get second thoughts? That just adds to the fun for this sadistic bastard. He'll keep sexually abusing you, pounding your face and ass at various intervals, until you can't think about anyone else. Your dreams will be about Axmann, and the words that come out of your mouth will be about Axmann, whether you like it or not.
Of course, this doesn't even begin to talk about the various other forms of mental torture Axmann will put you through. By the end of it all you won't be able to even consider doing anything else besides serving him.
But hey, even after all of this, he might decide that some new boy on the block is a better fit to fuck than you, and then you're tossed out on the street like a common dog - if he doesn't decide to pawn your broken ass off to some sleazeball.
Maybe all that's worth it - that's Axmann for you.
Can someone answer me why nearly everyone here like Beatrix and Gretel so much?
Commissars are for combat and propaganda usage only save those dirty thoughts for whore like Lise and Katia before you face disciplinary actions
But she looks so cute with them
Long black hair
What's not to like
But really, I like it because since episode 2 she showed that she cares a lot for her comrades
Reminder that Jürgen was in Bernhard im Schatten (Genres: Shoujo, Drama, Romance, School, Slice of Life, Sol, Fairy Tale), and he was part of Axmann's fucboi harem. Ass and all.
I just printed out a gif on paper, how come it's not moving? This is fucking annoying.
I've taken more fists than you can count, try it, faggot.
Hahahaha.... High School Students... Drama... Romance...Bishounen... SOL... Cake ... Tea ... Slice of Life... Swimming Pool Stalker... Hahahaha