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I passed JLPT1 over 9 years ago and I still can't shake this dekinai feeling, mjdsinitai.
What do think this name is meant to be DJT? Some non-English shit?
attach one's mind to
be bogged down in
be fastidious about
find bones in
get ［grow］ attached to
get hung up on
get stuck with
get wound up in
hold firm on
be hung up about
be insistent on
set great store by
stand pat on
Thanks, didn't know if 'if' or 'when' was the better choice here.
He's basically saying that a magazine is coming out next month and then this sentence is used afterwards, so I though 'when [it's out and] you can read it' was probably the thing he meant or does that only make sense for me? I'm not so sure.
Why is there polish in my japanese?
If you don't want polish, perhaps you like it rough instead.
Still doesn't seem to be a real word according to google, guess I'll just go with Ram-fist since it sounds the most like some hero name. >>138909841 and has actual identifiable words as part of it. Guess that katakana jibberish wasn't meant to really be anything.
Oh yeah, you are totally right. I switched Google's languages from English only to Japanese and English and now searching kanji gives preference to Japanese rather than Chinese.
It's really easy to get over the fear of "never learning Japanese" if you realize you'll "never learn" your native language in the same sense. If you start paying close attention, you'll notice a fuckton of stuff in your own language that you simply do not understand. It's no surprise that every language will be like this. So don't worry.
Currently deciding which level of the JLPT to take next. Either 3 or 2. Gotta decide soon. My teacher told me its a huge jump from 3 to 2 test wise. Any truth to that.
Currently reading the aoitoribunko books which seems to be helping me with my japanese overall. Would recommend them if you can get your hands on them
Take a practice exam then. No difference between it and the test itself except time limits.
Plus, your fears are misguided. Your speed is determined by the amount of work you do. You should be much more afraid of being in a daily schedule that isn't beneficial. How much time do you spend reading native material (that's challenging)? If it's less than an hour, you're fucking up right now. If it's more, then as long as you keep that up you're good even without a JLPT goal.
Sorry I meant if sentence A ends with 'からね' which is basically a 'isn't it?' or 'right?' which practically assumes a Yes as answer and the answer is 'しました'. Can it be used as a 'It is' or does is has to be a literal 'I did.'
In terms of language learning, keep up with anki and reading/listening to native material is literally all you need to do. There's not really any tips beyond that. For the N1 though, there's a good chunk of grammar that doesn't appear THAT often, so studying N1 specific textbooks (and practice exams) is a good idea if you want to ensure you pass.
Thinking about it, there's a couple tips about reading. First of all, if you're looking to work in Japan, you absolutely absolutely HAVE to practice reading news articles. Reading VNs and manga and young adult novels simply will not cut it when it comes to business Japanese. Second of all, it's easy to open up a book or webpage to read, then spend very little time reading it, getting sidetracked by say 4chan or even flipping through dictionaries. Always be vigilant and make sure you're actually staying focused and reading. I myself have wasted entire days of studying because I let myself be distracted and ended up barely reading anything. Creating a "reading" environment where it's hard to get distracted (closing all 4chan tabs, closing everything but the text + dictionary) is very helpful to me.
Was gonna type more but I see people being hostile so I figure you're gonna leave the thread soon so at least take this
Nah man, thanks a lot honestly anything more you got would be great. Ive been studying for just over two years now, I feel like Im not really progressing enough or Im going to slow so would like to speed up.
I know loads of people hate Wani here and that's fine, I was given it as a gift so I use it.
I'm having difficulties with this phrase.
Something about not being able to do something unforgivable? But that's that part about necessity? I don't understand.
I'm trying to translate this but I can't
Ok, so you've been studying for over 2 years and you can still benefit from wani kani. That indicates to me a fundamental flaw in however you've been learning. From my little sphere of language learning wisdom, I can see 3 absolutely essential rules to succeeding in language:
1) Always introduce new cards in Anki (minimum: 10)*
2) Always do all of your reviews*
3) Always spend at least an hour a day reading (or listening if you're advanced enough).
Have you been doing these things? 2 years is 730 days, and that would be 7300 words + jouyou kanji if you had been following the above rules. Wanikani only teaches 6,000 words. So, I can conclude you haven't been following the above rules. I think the logic in them is clear to see, so I really recommend you start following them if you want guaranteed success.
However, you mention wanting to go fast, not just have guaranteed success. That's a bit tricky. Language learning is fundamentally focused on exposure to the language, and acquiring enough exposure to be fluent takes a very fucking long time. So wanting to go fast is also a trap of being disappointing - even if you work your ass off for 16 hours today, the improvements in your language may not be that notable on a large scale, see what I'm getting at? In short, be prepared to take a long time to learn a language even going fast.
That out of the way, going fast isn't a complex thing. Like I said earlier, your speed is determined by the amount of work you do. So, if you want to go faster, do more work. Do more cards in anki (warning: beware of overload) and read more. That's it. Going through the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar (anki deck or actual book) will give you a huge boost in reading speed if you don't know the contents within it,
So it's just normal だけ and not the specific だけの grammar structure as here? http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=dakeno
Still not sure what it's meant to be implying though, this is the previous line they say if it helps.
>Kazuo's friend read Kazuo's letter (and Kazuo was unhappy).
Oh boy, it's this again. I remember a few people asking about this a few months back but I was just starting out at that point. Could someone explain the "suffering" to me?
That's not actually true, not only because it's not 也 in this case, but simply because the archaic version of ある is あり and the なり with the similar meaning is just shortened from に あり. Similarly with たり and と あり. As such, they're all simply variants of あり ultimately.
I was hoping it could replace Tae Kim. I'm slogging through special expressions but I really, really dislike textbooks, it feels too clinical and I have a hard time retaining the content. Is there an Anki deck that I could use in its stead?
What makes you think a goddamn dictionary would be less clinical than an online textbook designed to be as concise as possible for self learners reading for the first time yet be detailed enough for reference?
I added a card here btw for production and couldn't be happier with the results.
>but I really, really dislike textbooks
you referring to DoJG or Tae Kim?
Oh, that seems to be exactly what I'm after. Thank you.
>you referring to DoJG or Tae Kim?
Tae Kim, but I imagine studying grammar through the DOJG itself (not the deck) would be even more laborious.
Please don't try Genki. It's weird that you're struggling with Tae Kim since it's supposed to be easy.
However, if you got bored with Tae Kim, Genki will bore you about a million times more. That book is just boring to death and is an example of what's wrong with traditional Japanese Textbooks.
It's not really that I'm struggling with it, I just can't seem to focus because it's boring as fuck and I always get distracted while reading it (and yes, I know it's not supposed to be fun, but as I said, the problem is the textbook format and not the content.)
>but I imagine studying grammar through the DOJG itself (not the deck) would be even more laborious.
You're right with that I'm afraid. I'm telling you, studying a dictionary is a lot more boring if you think Tae Kim is boring.
After you finish Tae Kim though, a lot of DoJG would make sense and it'd be easier for you than doing DoJG first. The conjugation tables for Tae Kim are also far better than the ones @ DoJG.
Well then, you'll just have to endure a few more days of boredom I suppose.
Advanced topics is just a few pages away.
Believe me though, the Anki deck helped me a lot when I was struggling, it should help you too.
On the off chance you're actually serious about that shit working for you then congratulations. You're the only one I've met on DJT with that.
The rest of us are probably thinking though:
-Not using Kanji Immediately
-Using inappropriate hiragana for jukugo
-poorly structured way of teaching grammar
-immediately teaches you 'masu', 'desu' without even teaching Vmasu stems, etc.
Even as a dictionary, DoJG is a million times better than that shit.
for example using えいが instead of 映画
Now I know the textbook tries to be polite by not scaring readers with those scary-looking Kanji but that's exactly what Tae Kim's talking about that's wrong with conventional textbooks.
A while ago I started studying Japanese. I went through Genki 1, 2, and "3", and then moved on to practicing reading manga. I read Yotsuba&! and then checked the English translation. I was pretty happy to see that my understanding was pretty accurate. I tried some more advanced manga, but decided that Yotsuba&! was a better fit for the time being.
Later on, I met a friend who's also learning Japanese, but he's much more advanced than I. At a bar, I heard him talking with another person in Japanese, and I could understand most of the words, but I couldn't really follow the conversation. It was aggravating feeling that I was so close yet so far to actually conversing in Japanese.
I came to a bit of a revelation--almost all of my conversing was in English. For almost all of my conversations, actually communicating was valued over learning Japanese, so we would often default to English, which was easier to communicate in.
So one night with friends, I refused to speak English--buckling down and being adamant to speak only in Japanese. My friends, who had had good intentions by translating for me previously, were actually hurting my Japanese ability by making Japanese conversations too "easy" for me, and that prevented me from actually improving. It was rough at first, but after just a couple of days of refusing to speak in English, my spoken Japanese improved by leaps and bounds, and now I can understand most of the conversation when speaking with friends.
tl;dr: If you want to be good at conversing in Japanese, practice conversing in Japanese--using English as a crutch will stunt your growth!
Did you ask me this the other day? Or week.
No. But I think they're pretty inconsequential. My impression of Genki looking back is that it was in general deeper than Tae Kim in its explanations, and in its detail, and I'd say that's ultimately more important than teaching the masu-form later on.
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If you can't read this without rikai, you don't know japanese.
I'm slightly confused about the 2nd chart so I want confirmation to be sure I understood the nuance right as Tae Kim isn't exactly explained it (or maybe I'm just not seeing it).
Yes I know translating things into English is stupid but this is the only way for me to convey my understanding right now.
(1) = from 1st chart
(2) = from 2nd chart
It's that he was a student.
It's that he wasn't a student
It's not that he was a student
It's that he was a student
It was that he is a student
It's that he wasn't a student
It was that he's not student
Thanks for reading.
Why though? I could totally see those used in some situations. Here's an example :
Boy : 学生なんだ
It's because he's a student
Girl : 学生なんじゃない！
It's not because he's a student! [... that he did whatever)
I think I am going to adopt a policy of not learning food kanji unless said kanji are actually written in the material I am mining from. If the food is written in kana only then I will mine it as kana only. Thoughts on this?
I guess you are right. The kanji that was annoying me was 羹, from 洋羹, pic related, actually using the kanji. It is just hard to tell when some things actually are indeed kana-only and learning the kanji is unnecessary.
Also this looks goddamn delicious.
I want to try my hand for the umpteenth time at kanji again.
I'll try kanjidamage this time. Are the anki decks any good? Is it tailored to progress hand in hand with the website as you go through the pages?
Best program to read manga/doujin?
I've never used anything other than the standard windows thingy but I think it's time for me to 卒業する and step up my compelling content reading times.
The internet literally. Read and post a lot, make English speaker friends. If you have hobbies you could even join some kind of forum about it and meet people that way. Long distance relationships with American girls did wonders to my English skills too.
Cut anything related to your native language also, things like anime subs, shows, movies, ... watch all of those with English subs (or in English if it's from over there).
> in my notebook
Do you actually handwrite shit?
Because now that you mention it I can fluently read hiragana and katakana but I wouldn't know how to write them down if you gave me a pencil and a piece of paper.
I just skipped that "50 times on your notebook, bitch" part.
Read and listen a lot, I mean really lots of listening and reading. Watch movies in English with English subs.
Yeah, I write them down, but not like the 50 times method. You really don't need to write them that much when you are already familiar with the radicals, and that will come pretty fast with something like KD.
Is that Steve? Didn't imagine him having an asian wife, but I guess it makes sense. To bad about the son, though. Hope he overcomes his circumstance and doesn't become another Supreme Gentleman.
For pure manga reading purposes, I think so. Supports opening either archive files or entire folders, has a "resume recent" option that lets you start from the exact page you closed it on even if it's an archive file (not limited to the very last thing you read either), decently customizable shortcuts, can change the page order, etc.
Thanks a lot.
I understood what I must do is to read and write a lot of English sentences (But this is NOT easy you know haha).
Btw do you know where is Daily English Thread on 4chan? There isn't?
I have a question regarding the usage of Anki.
I've been studying 日本語 for the past ~3 months and I just recently began learning Kanji (currently using Kanjidamage). What I do is learn a couple of new kanji every day and then put them into Anki with the Onyomi/Kunyomi/Jukugo, then I try to do a daily study session however most of the time Anki just tells me that I have nothing to review. I know that the current beginning Kanji are super easy (like 一二了 etc etc) since I'm still at the beginning, however is there a way to force Anki to just do a daily review rather than forcing me to wait 13 days (or whatever the "easy" tag is) before showing them to me again?
Like, is there no "endless" mode where I can just keep flipping cards until I get bored of it myself?
>There's nothing for us to talk about.
>There's nothing to talk about.
>There's nothing we should talk about.
Are all of these pretty much right here or did I understand the sentence wrong?
>with the Onyomi/Kunyomi/Jukugo,
You should be learning those in the context of words, e.g., the Core 2K/6K deck in the guide.
>to just do a daily review rather than forcing me to wait 13 days (or whatever the "easy" tag is) before showing them to me again?
If you want to study more cards, do more new cards. You're never going to get anywhere doing "a couple" kanji a day - do 20 or 30.
I'm not doing much at the moment, literally doing 1 or 2 new kanji every day but I am planning to get more into it (last two weeks have been very busy for me, that's why).
What would you think is the optimal daily kanji intake? Something that doesn't impact long-term remembering (I read somewhere that if you go in full-focus mode and learn a lot of shit instantly you will much more easily forget it rather than just learn a bit at a time, slowly)
You don't want endless mode, trust me. The "point" of anki is to introduce a lot of content (20 new cards a day for example) and then let SRS sort out which ones you need to review.
Take Core2k/6k for example. If you stuck to "endless" mode, then you'd be doing 6000 reviews a day by the end of it. No bueno. Logically, you just want to review stuff you're struggling to remember. How do you target just the stuff you're struggling to remember? Why, by letting Anki suss that information out via SRS and schedule cards according to your needs. Don't fight it or try to do endless. Just let SRS work. You'll be better off for it.
This is a good point, it's probably better this way.
Yeah you're right, I should probably introduce more kanji and then let Anki sort the rest. I guess I misunderstood how Anki was supposed to work, thanks.
>You should be learning those in the context of words, e.g., the Core 2K/6K deck in the guide.
What do you mean? I'm learning the Kanji (both readings), how to write it properly (although not a big deal, I'm mostly focusing on reading rather than writing) and the meaning. With the Jukugo I get familiar with multiple definitions of the same kanji associated with others. Obviously depending on the kanji I might also save a few sentences that help me contextualize it or memorize it better but I haven't had the need yet since I'm still at the easy ones.
>literally doing 1 or 2 new kanji every day
Jesus man that's pathetic. Just grab the Core2k/6k deck from the guide and set it to 10 new cards a day if you want ot go really slowly.
>I guess I misunderstood how Anki was supposed to work, thanks.
No problem, I literally did the exact same thing. It's the logical thing to do given how we've treated flash cards our whole life. I think it would be beneficial to include a brief disclaimer on how anki works in the startup guide
Guys what's that kanji that looks like 這? I can't find it for the life of me
Hi, I recently started using kanjidamage deck for anki but I think I'd rather get the kani and then I try to figure out what it means instead of what's it doing right now: telling me the definition / writing and I have to figure out how to write it?
Don't think so, my browser uses meiryo so Japanese shit's always pretty accurate, guess it's just down to preference
Well thanks anyway sorry for the stupid question
For your specific case, since you seem like you have very little number of cards for the moment, then don't click easy, click good. Do custom study if you want to review more on the day. Click browse if you want to read all your cards. Read anki manual if you want to know how srs method works and what is considered a good idea or what isn't on how to use anki.
this is what my cards are doing it right now:
1) it shows me the definition ie. one, ichi, itsu and some examples
2) when I click shows answer it shows me the kanji for it
I'd rather have it show me the kanji first and show me what it means / how it's written after I click show answer.
> you fell for the kanjidamage meme
I've fallen for many memes and I feel like none of them are teaching me well. I figured going step by step with kanjidamage and using anki for reviewing them would be a decent method since I'm retarded and have learning issues.
備品 what is this?
Fixtures? Furnishings? What the hell are those? Even when googling I have no idea how it's related to what I'm currently reading (Gochuumon aka cute girls in a 喫茶店 / コーヒー店).
Maybe if you gave us a sentence or some context we would know. Or are you literally asking what "furnishing" or "equipment" means? If it's in the context of a コーヒー店 then my guess is that it might be some machinery (coffee machine?) that was ordered or something like that necessary to work there...
They finished work and went shopping afterwards, buying stuff for their workplace.
I don't think she's holding anything like that.
I usually mine words I found written in kana exactly how I see them, not because I have the problem with learning the kanji but the other way around, there's no fucking way I can recognize a word in kana until I repeatedly fail it in anki for like a month.
I found another explanation here: http://okwave.jp/qa/q3222649.html
It doesn't really make sense in that manga then according to these definitions. But then again Cocoa isn't the brightest
備品 is just equipment man. 軍装備品 is military equipment, オフィス備品 is office equipment.
If you're confused with some words, at your level where you can read just fine, just break down the meaning of each kanji or/and use J-J dictionary.
備品 for a cafe is items related to the cafe operation itself.
She might also be talking of these free stuff you can find on tables in places like these.
It's very likely actually. See here :
>There aren't any learning methods that are that bad.
What about rosetta stone? Or some dumb shit like letting anime running 24/7 to "passively learn"?
KD is not the worst way to spend your learning time but don't deny there are many methods that are pants on head retarded.
If you want to learn with KD get the damn KD anki deck and learn from it, 20 cards a day, don't waste your time making cards by hand.
No, you're not learning it better by doing shit by hand.
Yeah that has to be it then, but it's pretty funny since the dictionary explicitly says 備品 is the opposite of that picture
>read hentai manga
>pages are out of order, such that page 117 is the end and page 120 is the beginning
>panels are read left to right, but the text and bubbles are read right to left
Wrapping my head around this is causing physical agony
It's not even consistent between chapters
Indeed. Well thanks for your help, I think I'll just go with that and anon's >>138919193 explanation and won't think about it too hard. Surely I'll get across that word again in the future anyway.
Is there a more complete version of this? And are these shortcuts standardized in any way?
>unhappy with daily life
>doesn't do anything to change it
i have come to confiscate all of your cant learn japanese girl images
hand em over
You can't take the sky from me
I just finished, I had a mined backlog of 104 cards and I just wanted to clear them all. I went slow as fuck with it though, I really should have been done hours ago.
That said, taking a long time to solidify the words in the learning phase does do wonders for retention. This time I was just wildly inefficient.
So, been reading a bit and came across the term "ED気味". Now google told me the ED stands for Erectile Dysfunction, but I can't make any sense of it why it would be combined with the kimi. It it literally the tendency for ED, or is it some weird combination with sensation?
Those are all words with easy to understand meanings but not in my deck so I added them because why not
Satsukoi routes are so short the beginning is almost identical to the middle
fuck man just throw me a bone here
I'm one of the retards that used wanikani and got cockblocked by the subscription wall. Figured I could use KD and it's LE SO FUNNY MNEMONICS to learn some shit but it turned out to be obnoxious as shit and the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.
Some anon on here wrote down a method to take one of the long-ass decks and add mnemonic sentences on the cards so it would be easier to remember but I can't even find that post anymore because of how much of a royal screwup I am.
Reading the latest volume of よつばと！was in a way rather depressing. All this talk about sleeping alone and going to school soon, it's like ripping away at the heart.
The shift in character designs were a little off putting, to be honest. Also, fucking hell ばあちゃん, I could only assume what she was trying to say half the time. The dialect splicing was more washy than 麻生さん's 博多弁 in スケッチブック.
Anyone else recently read volume 13?
>the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck
You could edit the card template to do it the other way around if it's the only problem.
But yeah, throw away KD and do 6k, the link is in the fucking guide.
>the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.
It's the best way for retention though.
>which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.
The entire point of Kanji Damage is to be able to write the kanji from memory. If you don't care about being viewed as mildly retarded and not being able to write, you are using the wrong resource.
>The entire point of Kanji Damage is to be able to write the kanji from memory.
It really isn't, or else it wouldn't teach you the readings and all other useful shit.
You're thinking of RTK.
I'm about halfway through the kangxi radicals deck. I feel like everything so far is easy to memorize, it just seems to take forever to get through the daily session because I still have a habit of writing out everything 5 times.
Did anyone else bother learning radicals on their own? I'm about a week in.
>person does Core2k/6k without doing rtk
>learns kanji anyway while at the same time studying vocabulary
No surprise they look at something only teaching kanji and thinks it's unnecessary.
It's not exactly bad, it's just not something a beginner needs.
Writing is the hardest and the least important to a learner part of Japanese. Takes a shit ton of time and effort on something you will barely use.
Some people find the idea of dedicating time to learning how to write like an adult is expected to be able to do, as both intimidating and hard. Remember the Kanji is all about being able to write kanji from memory with ease, which flies in the face of people who attempt to project their unwillingness to learn how to write onto others. These people are essentially very insecure and the more people they can surround themselves with who are both learning Japanese and who hold their same fears and dislikes, the more secure they feel about their choices.
I'd suggest you do the same, you fucking moron. RTK2 is dedicated to learning readings in a systematic manner wherein readings are broken into signal groupings. RTK1 has no such focus on readings, as it is about learning how to write and recognise the kanji first. RTK3 is an extension of RTK1, which introduces less common kanji.
I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about so don't try to play that lazy little game with me, faggot.
I couldn't find the way to swap the cards but I did see there's a bunch of different cards with due dates close so I'm just gonna keep going and trust that the deck will eventually throw this at me instead of the answer right away.
>my exposure to Japanese is limited to porn games, therefore it is the same for everyone else
Face it: if you ever want to enjoy a language properly you have to be able to fully use it, which involves being able to write. Get out of your house once in a while and you'll find that people write things down or interact with language in a purely tacit context with high frequency and if you try to hide away from this huge aspect of the language you are only limiting your potential to experience. That's cool, but don't make out like this is normal or to be encouraged.
I don't write in my native language dude so your spiel has extremely little persuasive power. Furthermore, I can certainly "enjoy a language properly" without writing... reading, listening, and speaking are all very fulfilling.
>Face it: if you ever want to enjoy a language properly you have to be able to fully use it, which involves being able to write.
If you're a half assed faggot only learning Japanese for porn, then I agree that doing Core is the most effective way. But if you really want to learn Japanese, you can't cut corners.
Don't bother, writing autists can't handle the fact that other people didn't waste their time like they did. They just cling desperately to some fantasy of meeting a qt japanese girl who will be so impressed that they can write 薔薇 that she will instantly fall deeply in love
This is pretty nostalgic. I wonder when the last time writefags waved their dick was. It's just as pathetic now as it was then but I imagine people will still get riled up by it. What a shame. Remember dudes: 十人十色, don't get baited.
>g-go outside you looser!
I'm saying a beginner doesn't need it as his toppity top priority should be learning how to read and then reading a bunch of stuff, and only start writing after that. Learning to write when you actually know what the fuck are you writing is so much easier, I dropped writing for a year until I got good at reading and now it's just a matter of getting the stroke order right.
Learning 2000+ of them up front when you could barely understand shit is just torturing yourself for no reason.
Yeah, you're fucking stupid. You only need to learn the stroke order of radicals and it will be easy.
You can even guess the stroke order of unfamiliar kanji to you once you get the hang of it.
ど is a derogatory prefix. がア is just が, but you know, trailing off. It's just a pronunciation thing. I think your translation is correct, but the が confuses me a little. I would expect it to be を instead, grammatically speaking, but I guess it might be that using が is a bit idiomatic.
Why do you write? For me, it's another axis to which aspects of language become skewered, and it gives a certain physicality and permanence to what I learn, as it begins to actually have real form. And I just enjoy it. But I'd want to hear more perspectives on it.
Why would you assume that? After a while of writing I could guess the correct stroke order for most new kanji I learned, and once you know the radicals it IS easy. The difficulty of writing is blown way out of proportion, seriously.
>Why would you assume that? After a while of writing I could guess the correct stroke order for most new kanji I learned, and once you know the radicals it IS easy. The difficulty of writing is blown way out of proportion, seriously
>All you have to do is learn stroke order and then it's easy
That's like saying all you have to do is read Genki and then Japanese is easy. Stroke order is like 10% of learning how to write. The harder part is remembering the arrangements of radicals in 2500 Jouyou kanji and remembering what kanji are in all the large number of common words you might want to write (was it 会議 or 会義?)
If you don't understand that, it's obvious you can't actually write Japanese.
>tfw when you will never become a Totemo Ii Nihonjin because you can't write.
Well, yeah, but I mean actual skill of writing kanji is easy. Memorization is always hard. However, it would be bizarre to say it's more difficult than memorizing any other thing in the language. In fact, I've found adding that layer to studying vocabulary has made it easier. It's another aspect my brain can cling to, associate with, and use to recall the words. It's not hard to spend a little more time learning another aspect of the words, and it'll actually help the hard part, memorization.
Why is no one laughing at my joke?
I've randomly been saying "Onara suru tsumori datta, demo unki ga dechatta," but no one seems to be reacting to it. A friend of mine told me it was a pretty popular joke in Japan, so I was expecting at least some reaction to it
>Well, yeah, but I mean actual skill of writing kanji is easy. Memorization is always hard.
When people say writing they pretty much always mean recalling the kanji together with handwriting it. That's what the conversation was about until you and maybe some other guy misinterpreted it.
>However, it would be bizarre to say it's more difficult than memorizing any other thing in the language.
It's more difficult because it's much harder to practice. You have to actually have a reason to handwrite. Anki is good for getting stuff into your memory initially, but it doesn't work as well long term if you don't see the things outside of anki as well. That's why it's often better to just skip writing when first learning the language. If you already can read Japanese fluently and find yourself applying for jobs in Japan later, it's easy to pick up writing in a couple months before actually going there.
If writing kanji a couple times helps you distinguish them great, but insisting everyone learns to write because you're "not learning properly!!!11" otherwise is autistic.
I downloaded this pack from one of the links in these threads and I'm following the instructions on the readme, but I don't see when I should read remembering the kanji, the grammar dictionaries or that dojg pdf document.
Then don't do it. Learning to deconstruct and reconstruct the kanji is still a worthwhile time investment. In the several year long process of learning Japanese, 3 months isn't that much.
>まー = ???
>いつか = someday
>ちよつと = a bit
>位/くらい = grade/digit
Why am I not getting anything out of this? How should I approach this sentence? Did I split it up wrong in the first place?
>It will save you time because you'll have better retention and less review in the future.
Now my mature retention is at 87%, even assuming writing will magically bump that up 10% (which I really doubt because most of my failed cards are getting the readings wrong) that will free what, 5 minutes a day from anki?
I'll leave writing for when I'm actually able to produce, thanks.
forgot picture like retard and I just noticed
>That's what the conversation was about until you and maybe some other guy misinterpreted it.
Okay then, I'm sorry.
>but insisting everyone learns to write because you're "not learning properly!!!11" otherwise is autistic.
Agreed. Personally I just think there is too much fear and negativity built around the difficulty and arbitrariness of writing.
you don't really have to read them. DOJG = dictionaries of japanese grammar by the way. you're best off using DOJG as a reference after you finish tae kim and start reading. RTK can be read if you want to, or not at all.
more like kana -> anki/tae kim -> anki/reading/referencing dojg
but whatever you feel like doing is fine, any method is basically fine as long as you do something and don't stop going it
I managed to turn the DOBJG into a searchable, bookmarked PDF with both English and weeb runes searchable. You need to install Adobe language shit but it works. I'd like this to be added to the OP as well.