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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>138862794
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何故ば大抵なんとかなる!
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出来ない。
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あいしてる
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I passed JLPT1 over 9 years ago and I still can't shake this dekinai feeling, mjdsinitai.
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ちーっす
外人自閉症地獄へようこそ
自殺するほどみんな下手くそ
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>>138905770
>tfw image size limit
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>>138905820
Is this a meme?
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How does 「無彩限」translate to "myriad colors"? I know 「彩」is the kanji for "coloring", but what about the rest?
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>>138905820
AH SHIT I CAN'T SLEEP NOW
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>>138905961
cant you just look up the other kanji and then understand how it works its very obvious
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>>138906020
Poor grammar-chan is always completely and utterly useless. Why are you even here?
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>>138905820
shaft/shinbo fan spotted
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>>138906054
because i hate the show hes referencing also who are you
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>>138905991
now you know how it feels
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>>138906162
Maximum 出来ない
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つべこべいってないで

Ankiしなさい
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>>138906364
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場違いがバカさらしてんじゃないよ、お前みたいなのが何回も同じ失敗繰り返すんだ
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そっか
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>>138906364
もうできました。
褒めてくれ!
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>>138906617
時間の無駄に過ぎないよ
エロゲとかを読む方がいい
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>>138906617
なぜ百パーセント正解つかめなかったのですか
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>>138906752
>読む
kek
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>>138906838
取れなかった*
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ハンスト
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>>138906752
いいえ、全てのカードの漢字を書きました。こうすると漢字と単語は覚えやすいになります。

>>138906838
残念ながら百パーセントは珍しいんです。全体的には九十五くらいです。
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>>138907072
犯バーガー 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzYsSSpA64
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>>138907086
他人行儀しないでよ
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>>138906617
ちゅ
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>>138907026
教科書から顔を上げてよ
玉をつかめ

>>138907086
習うより慣れろ
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>>138907142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5YFVagu8M
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>>138907982
高齢化 高齢化 高齢化 高齢化 高齢化 高齢化
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おじさん応援してるからがんばりな
英語の文法がダメで色々怒られた奴がいうのもアレだけど…
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>ランフィスト

What do think this name is meant to be DJT? Some non-English shit?
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>>138908323
Dunno but that manga looks shit
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>>138908364
Chiba Toshirou draws delicious healthy girls though.
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Can someone please recommend me something kinda easy to listen to (preferably women talking) while playing games
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>>138908390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwro9mW9Y08
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>>138908422
Thanks for the suggestion but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7dmM-QMkmg

is the superior version
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>>138908323
>Titty monster battle comic
Girls aren't drawn well enough to make it worthwhile.
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>>138908390

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdrQEOuuEeA

>>138908467

What a filthy fucking butchery of the song with that nigger shit.
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>>138908492
This song's amazing but I meant something to listen to for listening practice, like people just talking
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>>138908529

Just play some random shoujo anime.
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What does シカト mean?
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>>138908928
It's very casual for ignore
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>>138905820
>Dekinai Japanese Thread
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>>138908928
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/シカト
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>>138908928
>went through the effort of uploading a screenshot and typing it out
>didn't go through the effort of checking a dictionary or even mousing over it with Rikai
Huh?
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>>138908529
VNs often come with drama CDs.
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>>138908928
>トワイライトシンドローム
Good game? Where did you get it from?
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>読んで頂けたら嬉しいです
'I'm happy when you can read it'

Did I understand the sentence or nah?
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>拘る
>kodawaru

けっこうでてくるのにね

えいごだとなんだろ
stick to
stick with
attach one's mind to
be bogged down in
cling to
be fastidious about
find bones in
get [grow] attached to
get hung up on
get stuck with
get wound up in
hold firm on
be hung up about
be insistent on
set great store by
stand pat on
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>>138909696
Obsess is enough
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a.pomf.cat/acavfl.webm
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>>138908323
>ランフィストくん
Maybe Ramfist? Lanfist? Ramphisto? Lanfisuto?
Katakana Engrish sucks.
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>>138909696
Protip: if your translation of a verb includes "be", "get", "grow", or another auxiliary verb, it's not actually a translation.
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>>138909604
ya
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>>138909854
If that's bait, it's pretty fucking good. I raged hard.
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>>138909604
>たら
Can be 'if' as well depending on context, would seem to make more sense as such.
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>>138909876
Thanks, didn't know if 'if' or 'when' was the better choice here.

>>138909901
He's basically saying that a magazine is coming out next month and then this sentence is used afterwards, so I though 'when [it's out and] you can read it' was probably the thing he meant or does that only make sense for me? I'm not so sure.
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>>138909937
What about "I'd be happy if you read it"?
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>>138909892
50% bait, 50% mocking the post I was responding to.
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Why is there polish in my japanese?
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Does 女優, nowadays, at least, take on the implication of "adult" actress more than just than a normal movie actress? Google Images gives me a lot of boobs.
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>>138909951
Well shit, that makes a lot more sense
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>>138908323

Lamphist would be my go-to.
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>>138909960

If you don't want polish, perhaps you like it rough instead.
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>>138905961
>無限
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>>138910026
Still doesn't seem to be a real word according to google, guess I'll just go with Ram-fist since it sounds the most like some hero name. >>138909841 and has actual identifiable words as part of it. Guess that katakana jibberish wasn't meant to really be anything.
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>>138909974
You're probably searching in Chinese.
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>>138910079

Oh yeah, you are totally right. I switched Google's languages from English only to Japanese and English and now searching kanji gives preference to Japanese rather than Chinese.
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If a sentence ends with 'isn't it?' and the answer is 'しました'. Would it be reasonable to assume that this is meant as a 'It is' instead of a 'I did it'?
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>>138910102
ミニハットはかわいいけど
てにあまるよ
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>>138909937
I mean you get what it means, translating it with when/if depends on the context and even though the meaning is different it hardly matters in this case.
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What's with all these stupid questions lately?
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It's really easy to get over the fear of "never learning Japanese" if you realize you'll "never learn" your native language in the same sense. If you start paying close attention, you'll notice a fuckton of stuff in your own language that you simply do not understand. It's no surprise that every language will be like this. So don't worry.
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Currently deciding which level of the JLPT to take next. Either 3 or 2. Gotta decide soon. My teacher told me its a huge jump from 3 to 2 test wise. Any truth to that.

Currently reading the aoitoribunko books which seems to be helping me with my japanese overall. Would recommend them if you can get your hands on them
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>>138910237
No point in taking any JLPT below N1.
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>>138910251
Im using it as a goal. If I take that away I feel like Ill slow down which I dont want to happen.
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>>138910151

Is this a bilingual family talking? Why are they using both English and Japanese?
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For those of you who did Tae Kim, what pace did you go through the guide at?
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>>138910308
Take a practice exam then. No difference between it and the test itself except time limits.

Plus, your fears are misguided. Your speed is determined by the amount of work you do. You should be much more afraid of being in a daily schedule that isn't beneficial. How much time do you spend reading native material (that's challenging)? If it's less than an hour, you're fucking up right now. If it's more, then as long as you keep that up you're good even without a JLPT goal.
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>>138910237
As far as I'm aware N3 -> N2 is pretty big. I'd take the N3 just to be safe, you can just take the N2 afterwards anyway so there's not a huge rush.
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>>138910370
Sorry I meant if sentence A ends with 'からね' which is basically a 'isn't it?' or 'right?' which practically assumes a Yes as answer and the answer is 'しました'. Can it be used as a 'It is' or does is has to be a literal 'I did.'
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>>138910443
Yeah, a big jump from sucking shit to sucking hard, how meaningful
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>>138910454

Context is key. Don't worry about English translations.
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What's the function of だけの here?
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>>138910491
So the context is always above the literal meaning?
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>>138910509
とにかく空気を読んでください
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>>138910503
He's a quick shooter, but he's only a boy.
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>>138910509

>掃除してくださいね?
>もうしました。
>Won't you do the cleaning for me?
>I already did.

>あ、掃除も必要なことですね。
>もうしました。
>Oh, I guess the cleaning has to be done too.
>It's already been done.

空気を読んで
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>>138910394
What tips do you have. Interested to hear them. Right now I do my Anki cards, WaniKani, and grammar book every day along with reading books
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>>138910595
The 速い is in regards to actual running speed. Just can't figure out exactly what だけの is doing there based on example sentences I've been reading with it.
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>>138910689

Keep at your WaniKani and nothing else. I am sure your teacher will agree. College courses and Wanikani are the only proven two ways to learn this language.
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>>138910790
Are you just being passive aggressive or something?
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>>138911046
You're being passive retarded
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>>138911046
Not this kind /a/non, but please do us all a favor and stop posting and go back to wanikani forum or some shit
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>>138911122
Man this place is real helpful!
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>>138910689
In terms of language learning, keep up with anki and reading/listening to native material is literally all you need to do. There's not really any tips beyond that. For the N1 though, there's a good chunk of grammar that doesn't appear THAT often, so studying N1 specific textbooks (and practice exams) is a good idea if you want to ensure you pass.

Thinking about it, there's a couple tips about reading. First of all, if you're looking to work in Japan, you absolutely absolutely HAVE to practice reading news articles. Reading VNs and manga and young adult novels simply will not cut it when it comes to business Japanese. Second of all, it's easy to open up a book or webpage to read, then spend very little time reading it, getting sidetracked by say 4chan or even flipping through dictionaries. Always be vigilant and make sure you're actually staying focused and reading. I myself have wasted entire days of studying because I let myself be distracted and ended up barely reading anything. Creating a "reading" environment where it's hard to get distracted (closing all 4chan tabs, closing everything but the text + dictionary) is very helpful to me.

Was gonna type more but I see people being hostile so I figure you're gonna leave the thread soon so at least take this
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Are the commas in Tae Kim's practice sentences actually used in Japanese or are they just there to help retards like me follow what's going on

example: 友達じゃなかったアリスは、いい友達になった。
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>>138911192
Nah man, thanks a lot honestly anything more you got would be great. Ive been studying for just over two years now, I feel like Im not really progressing enough or Im going to slow so would like to speed up.

I know loads of people hate Wani here and that's fine, I was given it as a gift so I use it.
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>>138911189
Are you just being passive aggressive or something?
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>>138911286
They are used, some friends of mine use them and I've seen them in books or when watching TV with subs
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I'm having difficulties with this phrase.
Something about not being able to do something unforgivable? But that's that part about necessity? I don't understand.

「決して駄目です
何故ならそれは裏切りを許されない事を段階を得る必要性をそう。
我が夫と主人に到達未遂」

I'm trying to translate this but I can't
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>>138910730
He's just fast, i,e. he has no strength or stamina?
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>>138911286
I think he uses them way more than strictly necessary
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>>138911301
Ok, so you've been studying for over 2 years and you can still benefit from wani kani. That indicates to me a fundamental flaw in however you've been learning. From my little sphere of language learning wisdom, I can see 3 absolutely essential rules to succeeding in language:
1) Always introduce new cards in Anki (minimum: 10)*
2) Always do all of your reviews*
3) Always spend at least an hour a day reading (or listening if you're advanced enough).
Have you been doing these things? 2 years is 730 days, and that would be 7300 words + jouyou kanji if you had been following the above rules. Wanikani only teaches 6,000 words. So, I can conclude you haven't been following the above rules. I think the logic in them is clear to see, so I really recommend you start following them if you want guaranteed success.

However, you mention wanting to go fast, not just have guaranteed success. That's a bit tricky. Language learning is fundamentally focused on exposure to the language, and acquiring enough exposure to be fluent takes a very fucking long time. So wanting to go fast is also a trap of being disappointing - even if you work your ass off for 16 hours today, the improvements in your language may not be that notable on a large scale, see what I'm getting at? In short, be prepared to take a long time to learn a language even going fast.

That out of the way, going fast isn't a complex thing. Like I said earlier, your speed is determined by the amount of work you do. So, if you want to go faster, do more work. Do more cards in anki (warning: beware of overload) and read more. That's it. Going through the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar (anki deck or actual book) will give you a huge boost in reading speed if you don't know the contents within it,
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>>138911468
So it's just normal だけ and not the specific だけの grammar structure as here? http://www.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=dakeno

Still not sure what it's meant to be implying though, this is the previous line they say if it helps.
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皆、私わとお前たちわアメリカ語喋りますか。
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>>138911489
Thanks a lot! Seriously a big help!

Currently looking up that Anki deck you mentioned but can only find the beginner one. Seems the others got taken offline from what I read.
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>>138911559
だけ meaning "as much as..." only applies to verbs. 速い isn't a verb.

There is no "specific" だけの construct, it's just だけ+の.
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>>138911742
The OP contains those decks.
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>>138911386
That is no longer Japanese phrase.
That looks like a phrase translated from English by a beginner of Japanese language.
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>一男は友達に手紙を読めれた・読まれました。
>Kazuo's friend read Kazuo's letter (and Kazuo was unhappy).

Oh boy, it's this again. I remember a few people asking about this a few months back but I was just starting out at that point. Could someone explain the "suffering" to me?
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>>138911929
the fuck
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Is it a good idea to do the DOJG deck alongside core6k?
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>>138911929
DOBJG starting from page 33.
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この人なりの挨拶よ, みんなTKと呼んでるわ

浅はかなり

what does なり mean here?
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>>138911959
I would recommend just reading instead, but by all means go ahead and give it a try.
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>>138911969
Archaic version of ある.
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>>138911969
http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n1-grammar-%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8A%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8A%E3%81%AE-nari-ninari-no/
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>>138911959
Finish Tae Kim before DoJG. If you're done with Tae Kim then go ahead.
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>>138911969
"in my own way"
"as well as I can"
"the way I do it"
etc.
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>>138912011
Wow. I like the way it modifies the part of speech.
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>>138912010
That's not actually true, not only because it's not 也 in this case, but simply because the archaic version of ある is あり and the なり with the similar meaning is just shortened from に あり. Similarly with たり and と あり. As such, they're all simply variants of あり ultimately.
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>>138912029
I was hoping it could replace Tae Kim. I'm slogging through special expressions but I really, really dislike textbooks, it feels too clinical and I have a hard time retaining the content. Is there an Anki deck that I could use in its stead?
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>>138912110
What makes you think a goddamn dictionary would be less clinical than an online textbook designed to be as concise as possible for self learners reading for the first time yet be detailed enough for reference?
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>>138912110
Genki.
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>>138912110
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/242060646

I added a card here btw for production and couldn't be happier with the results.

>but I really, really dislike textbooks
you referring to DoJG or Tae Kim?
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>>138912162
Sorry, we advocate smart self learning on this thread, not using a textbook for college students to learn at snail's pace.
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>>138912150
Um, because it's an Anki deck? The problem is not Tae Kim's guide itself, but the way it's structured. SRS works much better for me.
>>138912162
I'll give it a try, thanks.
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>>138912201
That's exactly what Genki is about, didn't you know?
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>>138912201
>on

Get your English right fucker before you go around talking down to other anons
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>>138912195
Oh, that seems to be exactly what I'm after. Thank you.
>you referring to DoJG or Tae Kim?
Tae Kim, but I imagine studying grammar through the DOJG itself (not the deck) would be even more laborious.
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>>138912207
Please don't try Genki. It's weird that you're struggling with Tae Kim since it's supposed to be easy.
However, if you got bored with Tae Kim, Genki will bore you about a million times more. That book is just boring to death and is an example of what's wrong with traditional Japanese Textbooks.
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>>138912228
How about you give a real argument on why anyone who actually wants to learn Japanese should use Genki.
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>>138912257
It's not really that I'm struggling with it, I just can't seem to focus because it's boring as fuck and I always get distracted while reading it (and yes, I know it's not supposed to be fun, but as I said, the problem is the textbook format and not the content.)
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>>138912207
Oh, then you can just use the tk anki deck then
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>>138912234
>but I imagine studying grammar through the DOJG itself (not the deck) would be even more laborious.

You're right with that I'm afraid. I'm telling you, studying a dictionary is a lot more boring if you think Tae Kim is boring.
After you finish Tae Kim though, a lot of DoJG would make sense and it'd be easier for you than doing DoJG first. The conjugation tables for Tae Kim are also far better than the ones @ DoJG.
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>>138912324
Genki circumvents the typical problems of the format pretty well.
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>>138912324
He's trolling you. He's one of those ironic shitposting motherfuckers who thinks it's really funny and cool to give out misinformation.
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>>138912356
I'm pretty sure you're just memeing, but whatever. I have Genki on my phone so I might as well read a few chapters to see how it goes.
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>>138911812
Think I got it, thanks.
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when everyone's meming, no one is
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>>138912412
You have to try it for yourself, it worked far better than Tae Kim or DoJG for me.
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>>138912324
Well then, you'll just have to endure a few more days of boredom I suppose.
Advanced topics is just a few pages away.

Believe me though, the Anki deck helped me a lot when I was struggling, it should help you too.
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>>138912324
I found it interesting and fun, personally. Then again, I'm the kind of guy who can read the DOJG like a book, and not get bored.
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why do you study japanese
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>>138912412
Seriously see >>138912391
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>>138912487
Yeah, I guess so. Just to be clear, though: the Tae Kim Anki deck is meant as a complement -- not a replacement -- to the grammar guide, yes?
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>>138912457
On the off chance you're actually serious about that shit working for you then congratulations. You're the only one I've met on DJT with that.

The rest of us are probably thinking though:
-Not using Kanji Immediately
-Using romaji
-Using inappropriate hiragana for jukugo
-boring excercises
-poorly structured way of teaching grammar
-immediately teaches you 'masu', 'desu' without even teaching Vmasu stems, etc.

Even as a dictionary, DoJG is a million times better than that shit.
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>>138912536
So I'll be able to read my waifu's source material.
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>>138912536
gems
stop asking
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>>138912536
I want to play niche porn games and read niche porn comics
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>>138912549
>complement
Yes. Tae Kim's explanations just make it clearer to me. The book is indespensable.
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>>138912587
>-Using inappropriate hiragana for jukugo
What's this in reference to?
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>>138912595
>>138912621
Japanese isn't only for your penis!
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>>138912625
Got it, thanks.
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>>138912658
Rude, my waifu is not from a porn game. She does have mountains of doujins though, so I guess it kind of applies.
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>>138912655
for example using えいが instead of 映画
Now I know the textbook tries to be polite by not scaring readers with those scary-looking Kanji but that's exactly what Tae Kim's talking about that's wrong with conventional textbooks.
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>>138912748
I see. So Genki does that shit throughout most of the book?
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>>138912789
Yes, it's a waste of time to be honest.
I wasted about two weeks on that book so I know it just won't work as efficiently as the methods of koohii or DJT.
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A while ago I started studying Japanese. I went through Genki 1, 2, and "3", and then moved on to practicing reading manga. I read Yotsuba&! and then checked the English translation. I was pretty happy to see that my understanding was pretty accurate. I tried some more advanced manga, but decided that Yotsuba&! was a better fit for the time being.

Later on, I met a friend who's also learning Japanese, but he's much more advanced than I. At a bar, I heard him talking with another person in Japanese, and I could understand most of the words, but I couldn't really follow the conversation. It was aggravating feeling that I was so close yet so far to actually conversing in Japanese.

I came to a bit of a revelation--almost all of my conversing was in English. For almost all of my conversations, actually communicating was valued over learning Japanese, so we would often default to English, which was easier to communicate in.

So one night with friends, I refused to speak English--buckling down and being adamant to speak only in Japanese. My friends, who had had good intentions by translating for me previously, were actually hurting my Japanese ability by making Japanese conversations too "easy" for me, and that prevented me from actually improving. It was rough at first, but after just a couple of days of refusing to speak in English, my spoken Japanese improved by leaps and bounds, and now I can understand most of the conversation when speaking with friends.

tl;dr: If you want to be good at conversing in Japanese, practice conversing in Japanese--using English as a crutch will stunt your growth!
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>>138912587
>You're the only one I've met on DJT with that.
It worked well for me as well.
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>>138913015
It's not that far fetched an idea. For production at least.
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>>138913046
http://j-cat.org/
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>>138913080
Did you ask me this the other day? Or week.
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>>138907022
Pic related.
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>>138913015
You're lucky you have friends who know Japanese.
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>>138913046
Care to refute any of the points he raised about Genki being shit?
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>>138913170
My friends just pretend to know Japanese and talk to me in gibberish hiragana and katana. And I answer in native Japanese (kanji and adverbs).
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>>138910210
There is no such thing as a stupid question.

Just デキナイ達
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>>138913205
No. But I think they're pretty inconsequential. My impression of Genki looking back is that it was in general deeper than Tae Kim in its explanations, and in its detail, and I'd say that's ultimately more important than teaching the masu-form later on.
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2004年、歴史家のジョン・ソーンは、ピッツフィールドの新しい集会所から80ヤード (73 m) 以内で「野球」を行うことを禁じた1791年の法に関する言及を発見した。司書のアンマリー・ハリスがバークシャー・アセネウム図書館で実際の法令文書を見つけ、その年代はウィリアムズタウン芸術保存会館の研究者が検証した。現代の野球に正真正銘、実際に言及したことが認められれば、この1791年の文書はアメリカにおける最古の野球に関する言及ということになる。この文書はピッツバーグ図書館のウェブサイトで確認できる。

If you can't read this without rikai, you don't know japanese.
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>>138913352
What sort of name is John Son?
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>>138913352
I can read it, but it is an absolutely boring sentence
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>>138913417
John Thorn, probably
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I'm slightly confused about the 2nd chart so I want confirmation to be sure I understood the nuance right as Tae Kim isn't exactly explained it (or maybe I'm just not seeing it).

Yes I know translating things into English is stupid but this is the only way for me to convey my understanding right now.

(1) = from 1st chart
(2) = from 2nd chart

(1) 学生なんだ
It's that he was a student.
(2) same
同じ

(1) 学生じゃないんだ
It's that he wasn't a student
(2) 学生なんじゃない
It's not that he was a student

(1) 学生だったんだ
It's that he was a student
(2) 学生なんだった
It was that he is a student

(1) 学生じゃなっかたんだ
It's that he wasn't a student
(2) 学生なんじゃなかった
It was that he's not student

Thanks for reading.
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>>138913106
長い時間勉強したら、それほど上達になるべきですけど、「げんき」はつまらないとくだらないというのは全然変わりません。
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>>138913604
>(1) 学生じゃないんだ
It's that he isn't a student*
>(2) 学生なんじゃない
It's not that he is a student*
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>>138913604
>(2) 学生なんじゃない
>(2) 学生なんじゃなかった

You will never see these used
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>>138913635
Then why did you ask me you bumblefuck
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>>138913659
Why though? I could totally see those used in some situations. Here's an example :

Boy : 学生なんだ
It's because he's a student
Girl : 学生なんじゃない!
It's not because he's a student! [... that he did whatever)
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>>138913753
Uh you'll see I guess
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>>138913352
At least I got a few new words out of that. ;-;
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What's the best way to incorporate older variants of kanji into my mining deck?
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how often and where is 我が used
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>>138914562
Seriously?
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>>138914562
Seriously?
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>>138914621
>>138914572
Seriously?
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I think I am going to adopt a policy of not learning food kanji unless said kanji are actually written in the material I am mining from. If the food is written in kana only then I will mine it as kana only. Thoughts on this?
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>>138914562
Only when you're about to 爆裂
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>>138914813
すきにしろ
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>>138914813
You'll have to learn the kanji eventually, and they're pronounced the same way anyway. It's like learning everything phonetically rather than how it's actually spelt.
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>>138914830
>爆裂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_B_GalsJrE
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>>138914867

I guess you are right. The kanji that was annoying me was 羹, from 洋羹, pic related, actually using the kanji. It is just hard to tell when some things actually are indeed kana-only and learning the kanji is unnecessary.

Also this looks goddamn delicious.
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>>138915018
Do you mean 羊羹
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>>138915018

oops
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>>138915043

Actually I did. That picture down below is something different.
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>>138913661
質問をした人が俺じゃないけど、「げんき」の効率について、そんな道は非効率じゃないだろう?
中級文法に合格すべく、二冊がよんでるはず。
参考までに「TaeKim」を仕上がりすら、「Genki II」の例文と問題は楽ちんにできました。

あんたの理由がわかりませんけど、TaeKimの方がげんきより役に立つ。
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>>138915116
>it took him 54 minutes to type this
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>>138915152
>and there are some grammatical mistakes
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Why is Nippongo punctuation so cool?
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>>138915234
>some
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Does anki start logging my stats only when I do my first cards/reviews? I want to add a deck I will do later, but I don't want the stats to be screwed up because of that.
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How old do you have to be to use old people pronouns?

Or are those actually not a thing in real Japanese and only used in fiction?
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>>138915390
What's "old people pronouns"?
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全然わからないけど。
君たちが返事出した、一つの反論でさえできません?
笑えるかな?
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I want to try my hand for the umpteenth time at kanji again.

I'll try kanjidamage this time. Are the anki decks any good? Is it tailored to progress hand in hand with the website as you go through the pages?
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>>138915458
He's talking about わし
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>>138915365
Who the fuck cares about stats seriously dude the only thing it'll affect is the "Days studied" part
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>>138915470
It was optimized pretty well when I was going at a slow pace. Now I'm doing 45 cards a day and I'm ahead in my notebook/site.
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>>138915461
だれにいってるんだきみ
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>>138915553
Yeah, I was talking about that in particular. I just want it to be accurate.
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>>138915365
Yes. I had Core sitting for a few months before I started it but still have 100% days studied.
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>>138915621
Just start doing them right away then.
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>>138915662
That's because you have stats set to 30 days and not deck life genius
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>>138915678
I don't think I can handle doing Core+mining deck and KD at the same time.
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>>138915589
この人々へ
>>138915152
>>138915234

とにかく、君たちが基本的な日本語すらでしゃべれませんようです。
おやすみなさい。。またね。
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Best program to read manga/doujin?

I've never used anything other than the standard windows thingy but I think it's time for me to 卒業する and step up my compelling content reading times.
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>>138915707
no
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>>138915764
>すらで
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I'm an English learner. Please tell me something convenient for learning English such as TaeKim or Anki when you learn Japanese.
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>>138915797
oh reverse that.
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>>138915826
This is the Daily Japanese Thread, not the Daily English Thread.
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>>138915826
The internet literally. Read and post a lot, make English speaker friends. If you have hobbies you could even join some kind of forum about it and meet people that way. Long distance relationships with American girls did wonders to my English skills too.

Cut anything related to your native language also, things like anime subs, shows, movies, ... watch all of those with English subs (or in English if it's from over there).
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>>138915892
I'm sorry.
Good bye.
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>>138915826
You're beyond what a "tae kim of english" would teach you. Just read a lot. A shitload.
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>>138915586

> in my notebook

Do you actually handwrite shit?

Because now that you mention it I can fluently read hiragana and katakana but I wouldn't know how to write them down if you gave me a pencil and a piece of paper.

I just skipped that "50 times on your notebook, bitch" part.
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>>138915826
Read and listen a lot, I mean really lots of listening and reading. Watch movies in English with English subs.
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Tfw I started on november 2014 but took 6months+ breaks and I suck fuck my ass with a horse dildo.
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>>138916029
Yeah, I write them down, but not like the 50 times method. You really don't need to write them that much when you are already familiar with the radicals, and that will come pretty fast with something like KD.
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>>138916070
出来ない
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>>138916043
Is that Steve? Didn't imagine him having an asian wife, but I guess it makes sense. To bad about the son, though. Hope he overcomes his circumstance and doesn't become another Supreme Gentleman.
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>>138915774
I use CDisplayEx. Tried a few back then but liked this the best.
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>>138915774
I use Wanikani in built manga reader and you should too. They worked hard making their website so I think it's normal to give them some sweet ad money from time to time.
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>>138916070
大きな馬の張形ですか。なぜ本当のペニスじゃないか?
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>>138916205
Better than Honeyview?
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What's the most babby mode LN?
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>>138916189
They only had a daughter, who's now married to a Korean.
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>>138916316
For pure manga reading purposes, I think so. Supports opening either archive files or entire folders, has a "resume recent" option that lets you start from the exact page you closed it on even if it's an archive file (not limited to the very last thing you read either), decently customizable shortcuts, can change the page order, etc.
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>>138916403
>a daughter, who's now married to a Korean.
Disgraceful.
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>>138916403
What? I'm sure he's mentioned a son. Was that with another woman then?
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>>138916460
Yeah, that was from his first marriage.
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>>138916460
That was his wife's son.
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>>138916499
Sutebu-kun, I...
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How often do people actually use honorific in daily conversation? Is that more of an anime thing or do people really use kun at work and San for their parents?
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>>138915950
>>138915981
>>138916043
Thanks a lot.
I understood what I must do is to read and write a lot of English sentences (But this is NOT easy you know haha).
Btw do you know where is Daily English Thread on 4chan? There isn't?
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>>138915774
I use comicrack but it's bloated as fuck. Tried honeyview, it's light but I don't know why I prefer comicrack even after I tried honeyview.
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>>138916650
There isn't one.

You don't have to write a lot. Writing a little is fine. It's more important to read and listen/watch as much as you can.
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>>138916649
>do people really use kun at work
Yeah.
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Dangggg, this dude is at it again
>>>/qa/473385
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>>138916650
Why would you need an English thread on an American board?
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>>138910079
Can confirm this.
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>>138916810
have you ever been to /int/ or /pol/?
many races are enjoying here.
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I have a question regarding the usage of Anki.
I've been studying 日本語 for the past ~3 months and I just recently began learning Kanji (currently using Kanjidamage). What I do is learn a couple of new kanji every day and then put them into Anki with the Onyomi/Kunyomi/Jukugo, then I try to do a daily study session however most of the time Anki just tells me that I have nothing to review. I know that the current beginning Kanji are super easy (like 一二了 etc etc) since I'm still at the beginning, however is there a way to force Anki to just do a daily review rather than forcing me to wait 13 days (or whatever the "easy" tag is) before showing them to me again?

Like, is there no "endless" mode where I can just keep flipping cards until I get bored of it myself?
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is there an add-on for anki that lets me input text like realkana?
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>>138916932

The whole point of Anki is forcing you to wait to try again, that's the reason it works so well.

How many new kanji do you do a day?
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>何もお話する事はありません
>There's nothing for us to talk about.
>There's nothing to talk about.
>There's nothing we should talk about.
Are all of these pretty much right here or did I understand the sentence wrong?
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>>138916932
>with the Onyomi/Kunyomi/Jukugo,
You should be learning those in the context of words, e.g., the Core 2K/6K deck in the guide.

>to just do a daily review rather than forcing me to wait 13 days (or whatever the "easy" tag is) before showing them to me again?
If you want to study more cards, do more new cards. You're never going to get anywhere doing "a couple" kanji a day - do 20 or 30.
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>>138916932
Custom study.
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>>138917109
Why?
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>>138917123
I'm not doing much at the moment, literally doing 1 or 2 new kanji every day but I am planning to get more into it (last two weeks have been very busy for me, that's why).

What would you think is the optimal daily kanji intake? Something that doesn't impact long-term remembering (I read somewhere that if you go in full-focus mode and learn a lot of shit instantly you will much more easily forget it rather than just learn a bit at a time, slowly)
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>>138916932
You don't want endless mode, trust me. The "point" of anki is to introduce a lot of content (20 new cards a day for example) and then let SRS sort out which ones you need to review.

Take Core2k/6k for example. If you stuck to "endless" mode, then you'd be doing 6000 reviews a day by the end of it. No bueno. Logically, you just want to review stuff you're struggling to remember. How do you target just the stuff you're struggling to remember? Why, by letting Anki suss that information out via SRS and schedule cards according to your needs. Don't fight it or try to do endless. Just let SRS work. You'll be better off for it.
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>>138917197
Why don't you do 20 a day until the kanji becomes hard, then you can stop and do 1 or 2.
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>>138916222
馬フェティッシュだ
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>>138917237
This is a good point, it's probably better this way.

>>138917172
>>138917216
Yeah you're right, I should probably introduce more kanji and then let Anki sort the rest. I guess I misunderstood how Anki was supposed to work, thanks.

>You should be learning those in the context of words, e.g., the Core 2K/6K deck in the guide.
What do you mean? I'm learning the Kanji (both readings), how to write it properly (although not a big deal, I'm mostly focusing on reading rather than writing) and the meaning. With the Jukugo I get familiar with multiple definitions of the same kanji associated with others. Obviously depending on the kanji I might also save a few sentences that help me contextualize it or memorize it better but I haven't had the need yet since I'm still at the easy ones.
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>>138917197
Hey

You can just try it

Set new cards to 1000 or whatever and do all of them

You'll see
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>>138917197
>literally doing 1 or 2 new kanji every day

Jesus man that's pathetic. Just grab the Core2k/6k deck from the guide and set it to 10 new cards a day if you want ot go really slowly.
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>>138917311
>I guess I misunderstood how Anki was supposed to work, thanks.
No problem, I literally did the exact same thing. It's the logical thing to do given how we've treated flash cards our whole life. I think it would be beneficial to include a brief disclaimer on how anki works in the startup guide
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Guys what's that kanji that looks like 這? I can't find it for the life of me
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>>138917482
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>>138917482
這う <- It's this one m8
Cheers
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>>138917508
Really? 這 has two dots on the left though, is that just a different way to write it?

Fucking kanjis
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>>138917572
Sure you're not looking at a chinese font or somethign bro
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>>138917572
>is that just a different way to write it?
Yes
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Hi, I recently started using kanjidamage deck for anki but I think I'd rather get the kani and then I try to figure out what it means instead of what's it doing right now: telling me the definition / writing and I have to figure out how to write it?
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>>138917604
Don't think so, my browser uses meiryo so Japanese shit's always pretty accurate, guess it's just down to preference

>>138917607
Well thanks anyway sorry for the stupid question
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>>138917572
http://kakijun.jp/page/hau10200.html
Do some research
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>>138917636
What?
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>>138917311
For your specific case, since you seem like you have very little number of cards for the moment, then don't click easy, click good. Do custom study if you want to review more on the day. Click browse if you want to read all your cards. Read anki manual if you want to know how srs method works and what is considered a good idea or what isn't on how to use anki.
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>>138917737

this is what my cards are doing it right now:

1) it shows me the definition ie. one, ichi, itsu and some examples
2) when I click shows answer it shows me the kanji for it

I'd rather have it show me the kanji first and show me what it means / how it's written after I click show answer.
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>>138917982
What you're describing is literally core2k/6k. You fell for the kanjidamage meme but there's still time to get on the right track.
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>>138918083

> you fell for the kanjidamage meme

I've fallen for many memes and I feel like none of them are teaching me well. I figured going step by step with kanjidamage and using anki for reviewing them would be a decent method since I'm retarded and have learning issues.
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>>138918284
The meme meme is a meme. There aren't any learning methods that are that bad. Except jumping between methods trying to find the best one.
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>>138918467
>The meme meme is a meme.
what did he mean by this
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備品 what is this?

Fixtures? Furnishings? What the hell are those? Even when googling I have no idea how it's related to what I'm currently reading (Gochuumon aka cute girls in a 喫茶店 / コーヒー店).
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>>138918497
Just feel
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>>138918497
What did he meme by this?
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>>138918506
Maybe if you gave us a sentence or some context we would know. Or are you literally asking what "furnishing" or "equipment" means? If it's in the context of a コーヒー店 then my guess is that it might be some machinery (coffee machine?) that was ordered or something like that necessary to work there...
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>>138918664
They finished work and went shopping afterwards, buying stuff for their workplace.

I don't think she's holding anything like that.
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俺は何?僕ユーザじゃない。。。我々は俺達其れ共俺の猫だよ。俺達は俺。俺は俺たち。
俺はビッグボス、お前もゐる。貮加号貮等伍。
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>>138918506
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%82%99%E5%93%81-179155

Basically seems like any office equipment that is supposed to last for a long time
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>>138918873
I see, so she could be talking of spoons for all I know.

Thanks, starting to understand how and when that words is used now.
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>>138918467
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>>138914867
I usually mine words I found written in kana exactly how I see them, not because I have the problem with learning the kanji but the other way around, there's no fucking way I can recognize a word in kana until I repeatedly fail it in anki for like a month.
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>>138918990
I found another explanation here: http://okwave.jp/qa/q3222649.html

●消耗品=1年以内に消耗するであろう物品
(コピー用紙、文具 など)
●備品=耐用年数が1年を超える物品
(机、キャビネット などの什器)

It doesn't really make sense in that manga then according to these definitions. But then again Cocoa isn't the brightest
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備品 is just equipment man. 軍装備品 is military equipment, オフィス備品 is office equipment.

If you're confused with some words, at your level where you can read just fine, just break down the meaning of each kanji or/and use J-J dictionary.

備品 for a cafe is items related to the cafe operation itself.
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>>138919021
アンリミテッドジャパニーズワークス
>>
She might also be talking of these free stuff you can find on tables in places like these.

It's very likely actually. See here :
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E5%82%99%E5%93%81+%E5%96%AB%E8%8C%B6%E5%BA%97&biw=1920&bih=958&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJ3pzQsdLLAhVJOxoKHVhDD6wQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1
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>>138919233
Every Method Here Works
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>>138919285
I meant to quote to >>138919097.

>>138919193
What do you think of what I just said? -> >>138919285
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Picture here was tagged as 備品
https://tabelog.ssl.k-img.com/restaurant/images/Rvw/18307/640x640_rect_18307200.jpg
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>>138919287
いえ、無限の日本語製。
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>>138918467
>There aren't any learning methods that are that bad.
What about rosetta stone? Or some dumb shit like letting anime running 24/7 to "passively learn"?
KD is not the worst way to spend your learning time but don't deny there are many methods that are pants on head retarded.

>>138918284
If you want to learn with KD get the damn KD anki deck and learn from it, 20 cards a day, don't waste your time making cards by hand.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/748570187
No, you're not learning it better by doing shit by hand.
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>>138919396
>>138919285
Yeah that has to be it then, but it's pretty funny since the dictionary explicitly says 備品 is the opposite of that picture

>1回限りで使い切ったり使うにつれ量が減ってしまう文房具や紙類などの消耗品と区別される。
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>read hentai manga
>pages are out of order, such that page 117 is the end and page 120 is the beginning
>panels are read left to right, but the text and bubbles are read right to left
Wrapping my head around this is causing physical agony
It's not even consistent between chapters
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>>138919545
Indeed. Well thanks for your help, I think I'll just go with that and anon's >>138919193 explanation and won't think about it too hard. Surely I'll get across that word again in the future anyway.
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Is there a more complete version of this? And are these shortcuts standardized in any way?
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>>138920043
That 3 kek.
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>>138920074
If you think that's kek worthy you're fucking clueless
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>>138912101
なり is a copula, though.
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>>138919632
>tfw you'll never be so bad at Japanese that you delude yourself into thinking the pages are completely out of order
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>>138920256
馬子にも衣装だな
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>>138920361
http://exhentai.org/s/0dbd5d5342/479495-230
Read it and weep loser
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I'm wondering if I should add cards without kanji to the core6k deck... I sometimes feel like I only recognize a word and its meaning when I see the kanji.
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>>138913015
Second time I read this blog, good advice, though.
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>>138920398
Yeah, the kanji is often a nice mnemonic for the word, I've been wondering about this too. Reading feels like the best cure, though.
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>>138920398
Just make audio recognition cards.
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>>138920823
That's an interesting idea! I'll just have figure out how to wrangle anki to do that...
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>>138921108
>unhappy with daily life
>doesn't do anything to change it
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i have come to confiscate all of your cant learn japanese girl images

hand em over
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>>138921690
You can't take the sky from me
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>>138921725
it always bothers me how close the picture is to the i
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>>138921753
The original is "Don't forget", that's not an I, it's an n cut off.
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>>138921690
体はローマン字出来ている。
血潮は怠慢で心は暗記。
幾たびのカードを越えて不敗。
ただの一度も敗走はなく、
ただの一度も復習を諦めない。
彼の者は常に独り
漢字達の丘で勝利に酔う。
故に、生涯に意味はなく
その体は、きっとローマン字で出来ていた。
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>目立つ
What the fuck. The hat is not the only thing standing out.
>>
Is there a trick to making Google IME not randomly activate while I play vidya?
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>>138921725
Why does she never open her mouth
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暗記すぎ
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出歯亀
毒舌
敗北感
憂国
弾劾
光条
感傷
短時間
捜査
優先
正当化
一掃
明快
至近
要因
花束
圧倒
察知
辞表
成果
報う
鋭気
現役
両端
要員
映し出す
意地
招来
企図
背景
報告書
警備兵
不逞
集結
政治体制
予言
破壊力
時刻
代理人
側近
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>>138921988
Where's you Anki + Anki session, casual
>>
Why is Rikaisama so hell bent on saving 東 as あずま and ひがし as 干菓子?
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>>138921988
Are you doing 200 words a day?
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I want to finish learning Spanish before I start Japanese, but holy shit.

I
Literally.
Can't.
Learn.
Spanish.
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>>138922079

I just finished, I had a mined backlog of 104 cards and I just wanted to clear them all. I went slow as fuck with it though, I really should have been done hours ago.

That said, taking a long time to solidify the words in the learning phase does do wonders for retention. This time I was just wildly inefficient.
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How many sex scenes are there in Satsukoi?
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>>138922157
>learning Spanish
Why?
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>>138922200
Many but they're all bundled up in the middle of a route
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>>138922229
>not putting one scene in the beginning the get the reader going
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So, been reading a bit and came across the term "ED気味". Now google told me the ED stands for Erectile Dysfunction, but I can't make any sense of it why it would be combined with the kimi. It it literally the tendency for ED, or is it some weird combination with sensation?
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>>138922200
Off topic post
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>>138922369

>tfw ED
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>>138922275
A sex scene is meaningless if it's not preceded by tens of hours of character and relationship development
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>>138922001
>成果
>報う
>現役
>意地
>政治体制
>破壊力
>時刻
this your first day reading bro?
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>>138922229
Thanks

>>138922395
I was asking a question about a piece of literature often recommended for use in learning Japanese. You are off topic.
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>>138922475
A sex scene is meaningless if it isn't well written, which none of them are.
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>>138920043
>And are these shortcuts standardized in any way?
Shortcuts that were standardized became 新字体.
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>>138922529
Read an actually good vn then.
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>>138922502
>I was asking a question about a piece of literature often recommended for use in learning Japanese. You are off topic.

詭弁
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>>138922490
Not him but today I learned ヌレギヌ
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>>138921327
>do anything to change it
Easier said than done.
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>>138921988
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>>138922490
Those are all words with easy to understand meanings but not in my deck so I added them because why not
>>138922275
Satsukoi routes are so short the beginning is almost identical to the middle
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漢字なんて、お茶の子さいさいサイクロンだよ!
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>mfw tetris effect
rip post sleep daydreams
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>>138922157

>cant learn the most babby language

Give up lad.
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>haven't done Anki in days
>haven't read much
Time to sudoku. On the bright side, I've gotten tons of listening practice.
>inb4 smug_dekinai.jpg
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>>138923060
>listening practice.
Is this code for watching anime/dorama?
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>>138923060
>>
>Dekinai Japanese Thread
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>>138922898
In my dreams I try to rep kanji, but they all look like 甲骨文
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>>138923277
Of course. Been watching the raws for some of the shows this season and listening to lot of nip music.
I can understand about ~40% of both.
No bully.
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おはよう

おにいちゃん

おねえちゃん
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anyone got a link to core 2k/6k?

googling them isn't helping and I feel this KD anki deck isn't going to work out for me
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>word can be written in kanji but usually written using kana alone

Two nukes weren't enough.
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>>138923869

Try this

____STUDY KANJI INDIVIDUALLY AND SKIP CORE_____
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>>138923931
>Literally telling him to do exactly what he said wasn't working out for him

Truly kanjifags are the dumbest people on the planet
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>>138924003

>memedamage

Gee boss, I wonder why.
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http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/shape.html

What's a good "textbook" font ala this page?
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>>138923931
>>138924003
>>138924058

fuck man just throw me a bone here

I'm one of the retards that used wanikani and got cockblocked by the subscription wall. Figured I could use KD and it's LE SO FUNNY MNEMONICS to learn some shit but it turned out to be obnoxious as shit and the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.

Some anon on here wrote down a method to take one of the long-ass decks and add mnemonic sentences on the cards so it would be easier to remember but I can't even find that post anymore because of how much of a royal screwup I am.
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>>138905719
Reading the latest volume of よつばと!was in a way rather depressing. All this talk about sleeping alone and going to school soon, it's like ripping away at the heart.

The shift in character designs were a little off putting, to be honest. Also, fucking hell ばあちゃん, I could only assume what she was trying to say half the time. The dialect splicing was more washy than 麻生さん's 博多弁 in スケッチブック.

Anyone else recently read volume 13?
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what is this
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>>138924352
5.jpg
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>>138924352
You are a りtard
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>>138924284
>the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck
You could edit the card template to do it the other way around if it's the only problem.
But yeah, throw away KD and do 6k, the link is in the fucking guide.
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>>138924284
Just use the wanikani deck, best of both worlds.
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>>138924326

>tfw bought vol 1-13 for like $30 on yahoo auction

It will arrive tomorrow, I'm so hyped as fuck.
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>>138924376
thanks
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>>138924352

Radical for Ear.
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>>138924423
That's cheaper than what I pay for shipping costs. Score.
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>>138924418

is that from the 1.22gb zip file some anon posted a while back?

>>138924390

I would if I could but I don't want to edit 6000 cards
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>>138924284
>the anki deck throws you the answer before the kanji which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.

It's the best way for retention though.
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>>138924589
>I would if I could but I don't want to edit 6000 cards

C A R D
T E M P L A T E
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>>138924589
>I don't want to edit 6000 cards
Are you retarded
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>>138924675

YES I AM PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO DO THIS
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>>138924284
>which is retarded as fuck unless you're trying to remember how to write them which I don't give two fucks about.
The entire point of Kanji Damage is to be able to write the kanji from memory. If you don't care about being viewed as mildly retarded and not being able to write, you are using the wrong resource.
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>>138924708

I think I can now see why you fell for the Wanikani meme.
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>>138924708
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
RTFM
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>>138924708
Open card browser, select a card, press "cards" shuffle fields around.
Or, if there's 2 card types, just delete the one that has definition in the front.
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>>138924775

> you are using the wrong resource

Yes I'm aware of that. Give me a link to that wanikani anki deck so I can fuck off and stop bothering you people with my retardation
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>>138924860

http://bitlasers.com/djt
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>>138924860
https://desustorage.org/a/search/text/%22wanikani%22%2B%22mega%22/
These threads are cancer.
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>>138924860
>mega:///#F!ZR80ST4I!T-UAh6nbx-snsiifhQM85Q
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>>138924971
>linking to CP
That's pretty shitty, anon.
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さくらがさくよ

ことしもさくよ
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0ahs49hWE&feature=youtu.be

>出来る!出来る!出来る!出来る!

who /criedlikealittlebitch/ here
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>>138924775
>The entire point of Kanji Damage is to be able to write the kanji from memory.
It really isn't, or else it wouldn't teach you the readings and all other useful shit.
You're thinking of RTK.
>>
Can anyone explain to me, without using memes or buzzwords, why is RTK considered "bad"?
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>>138925069
>It really isn't
It really is.
>You're thinking of RTK.
RTK has an entire volume dedicated to readings. Before you post an opinion, try to look up what you are talking about.
>>
I'm about halfway through the kangxi radicals deck. I feel like everything so far is easy to memorize, it just seems to take forever to get through the daily session because I still have a habit of writing out everything 5 times.

Did anyone else bother learning radicals on their own? I'm about a week in.
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>>138925098

Cause it won't give you result before you finish the book and most people give up before they finish it.
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>>138925206
You should try reading at least the introductions to these things before talking about them.
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>>138925098
>person does Core2k/6k without doing rtk
>learns kanji anyway while at the same time studying vocabulary
No surprise they look at something only teaching kanji and thinks it's unnecessary.
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>>138925098
It's not exactly bad, it's just not something a beginner needs.
Writing is the hardest and the least important to a learner part of Japanese. Takes a shit ton of time and effort on something you will barely use.
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>>138925098
Some people find the idea of dedicating time to learning how to write like an adult is expected to be able to do, as both intimidating and hard. Remember the Kanji is all about being able to write kanji from memory with ease, which flies in the face of people who attempt to project their unwillingness to learn how to write onto others. These people are essentially very insecure and the more people they can surround themselves with who are both learning Japanese and who hold their same fears and dislikes, the more secure they feel about their choices.

>>138925291
I'd suggest you do the same, you fucking moron. RTK2 is dedicated to learning readings in a systematic manner wherein readings are broken into signal groupings. RTK1 has no such focus on readings, as it is about learning how to write and recognise the kanji first. RTK3 is an extension of RTK1, which introduces less common kanji.

I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about so don't try to play that lazy little game with me, faggot.
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>>138924838

I couldn't find the way to swap the cards but I did see there's a bunch of different cards with due dates close so I'm just gonna keep going and trust that the deck will eventually throw this at me instead of the answer right away.
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>>138925340
>my exposure to Japanese is limited to porn games, therefore it is the same for everyone else
Face it: if you ever want to enjoy a language properly you have to be able to fully use it, which involves being able to write. Get out of your house once in a while and you'll find that people write things down or interact with language in a purely tacit context with high frequency and if you try to hide away from this huge aspect of the language you are only limiting your potential to experience. That's cool, but don't make out like this is normal or to be encouraged.
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>>138925394
Heisig made RTK2 by request despite not thinking it necessary. It is not the main point of the series, and most people skip it.
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>>138925506
I don't write in my native language dude so your spiel has extremely little persuasive power. Furthermore, I can certainly "enjoy a language properly" without writing... reading, listening, and speaking are all very fulfilling.
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>>138925506
>Face it: if you ever want to enjoy a language properly you have to be able to fully use it, which involves being able to write.

This.
If you're a half assed faggot only learning Japanese for porn, then I agree that doing Core is the most effective way. But if you really want to learn Japanese, you can't cut corners.
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>>138925626
Don't bother, writing autists can't handle the fact that other people didn't waste their time like they did. They just cling desperately to some fantasy of meeting a qt japanese girl who will be so impressed that they can write 薔薇 that she will instantly fall deeply in love
>>
This is pretty nostalgic. I wonder when the last time writefags waved their dick was. It's just as pathetic now as it was then but I imagine people will still get riled up by it. What a shame. Remember dudes: 十人十色, don't get baited.
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>>138925506
>g-go outside you looser!
Very convincing.
I'm saying a beginner doesn't need it as his toppity top priority should be learning how to read and then reading a bunch of stuff, and only start writing after that. Learning to write when you actually know what the fuck are you writing is so much easier, I dropped writing for a year until I got good at reading and now it's just a matter of getting the stroke order right.
Learning 2000+ of them up front when you could barely understand shit is just torturing yourself for no reason.
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>writing is the only benefit of learning how to write

Corefags being stupid and insecure because it's too late for them to change their ways.
>>
>踏み潰してやるわこのド変態がア
Can someone explain what the 'ド' and 'がア' are doing in this sentence? What I'm understanding here is, 'I'll tremple you under my feet, pervert.'
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>>138925098
It assumes you can't learn stroke order and learn the reading of the kanji at the same time.
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>>138925799
>2000+

Yeah, you're fucking stupid. You only need to learn the stroke order of radicals and it will be easy.
You can even guess the stroke order of unfamiliar kanji to you once you get the hang of it.
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>>138926234
>You only need to learn the stroke order of radicals and it will be easy.

I can tell you can't actually write without tools.
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>>138926169
>わこ

This doesn't make sense.
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>>138926309

I can tell you're a corebabby who see kanji as a whole and not chunk by chunk.
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>>138926381
And you would be wrong, while my judgement is right.
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>>138926381
I see you don't understand how learning kanji through vocab words.
>>
>Dekinai Japanese Thread
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>>138926381
Writingfags are hilarious
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>>138926344
What did I fuck up
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>>138926169
ど is a derogatory prefix. がア is just が, but you know, trailing off. It's just a pronunciation thing. I think your translation is correct, but the が confuses me a little. I would expect it to be を instead, grammatically speaking, but I guess it might be that using が is a bit idiomatic.
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>>138926482
You just confused him by leaving out the space
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>>138926482
Forgot a space
It's not that it doesnt make sense, that guy just didnt realize it was tw osentences
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>>138925904
Why do you write? For me, it's another axis to which aspects of language become skewered, and it gives a certain physicality and permanence to what I learn, as it begins to actually have real form. And I just enjoy it. But I'd want to hear more perspectives on it.

>>138926309
Why would you assume that? After a while of writing I could guess the correct stroke order for most new kanji I learned, and once you know the radicals it IS easy. The difficulty of writing is blown way out of proportion, seriously.
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>>138926511
>ど is a derogatory prefix
No, its an emphasizing prefix.
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>>138926580
Oh, ok. Yea, you're right, thinking off it. As in ど真ん中, et.c
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>>138926482

Sorry, it's correct.
The ド is use to emphasize 変態 and がア is just がああああ!I think.
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>>138926562
>Why would you assume that? After a while of writing I could guess the correct stroke order for most new kanji I learned, and once you know the radicals it IS easy. The difficulty of writing is blown way out of proportion, seriously


>All you have to do is learn stroke order and then it's easy

That's like saying all you have to do is read Genki and then Japanese is easy. Stroke order is like 10% of learning how to write. The harder part is remembering the arrangements of radicals in 2500 Jouyou kanji and remembering what kanji are in all the large number of common words you might want to write (was it 会議 or 会義?)

If you don't understand that, it's obvious you can't actually write Japanese.
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>>138926562
>Why do you write?

I think writing makes my retention solid. I write in my brain/air when recalling kanji.
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>>138926539
>>138926550
Ah, sorry.

>>138926511
>>138926643
Thanks a lot. This really helps me.
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>>138926673
>The harder part is REMEMBERING the arrangements of radicals in 2500

Are you stupid? That's not writing, that's REMEMBERING the kanji.
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>tfw when you will never become a Totemo Ii Nihonjin because you can't write.
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>>138926809

> 変態
Pervert
>ド 変態
Super pervert

I like to interpret it as something like this.
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>>138926821
If you can't do that, you can't write Japanese. It's writing

>Are you stupid?
No, but you very clearly are.
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>>138926865
>you can't write Japanese

>recall the kanji and its stroke order
>use your hard to write it

Yeah I can't.
>>
Like the guy earlier was asking, is it important to add older variants of kanji to your deck?
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>>138926821
Oh fuck off with your bogus. RTK is called shit here for a reason.
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>>138926673
Well, yeah, but I mean actual skill of writing kanji is easy. Memorization is always hard. However, it would be bizarre to say it's more difficult than memorizing any other thing in the language. In fact, I've found adding that layer to studying vocabulary has made it easier. It's another aspect my brain can cling to, associate with, and use to recall the words. It's not hard to spend a little more time learning another aspect of the words, and it'll actually help the hard part, memorization.
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>>138926982
It depends whether you see them or not, and whether you can read them or not if you don't add them to your deck. Use your brain.
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>>138926982
I was asking about how do it most effectively. I don't think it's very important, but I would still like to do that.
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>>138926982
Depends on how retarded you are. Can you tell that 參 is the old form of 参? Can you remember it without SRS? If not then add it.
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>>138927043

I don't know why corefags fear writing so much when it's piss easy.

>m-muh time

It will save you time because you'll have better retention and less review in the future.
>>
Why is no one laughing at my joke?

I've randomly been saying "Onara suru tsumori datta, demo unki ga dechatta," but no one seems to be reacting to it. A friend of mine told me it was a pretty popular joke in Japan, so I was expecting at least some reaction to it
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>>138927043
>Well, yeah, but I mean actual skill of writing kanji is easy. Memorization is always hard.
When people say writing they pretty much always mean recalling the kanji together with handwriting it. That's what the conversation was about until you and maybe some other guy misinterpreted it.

>However, it would be bizarre to say it's more difficult than memorizing any other thing in the language.
It's more difficult because it's much harder to practice. You have to actually have a reason to handwrite. Anki is good for getting stuff into your memory initially, but it doesn't work as well long term if you don't see the things outside of anki as well. That's why it's often better to just skip writing when first learning the language. If you already can read Japanese fluently and find yourself applying for jobs in Japan later, it's easy to pick up writing in a couple months before actually going there.

If writing kanji a couple times helps you distinguish them great, but insisting everyone learns to write because you're "not learning properly!!!11" otherwise is autistic.
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>>138926861

does the ド in that come from this definition?
>>
One can finish KD in 3 months and enjoy much better new vocab retention after that. There's really no reason not to do it.
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>>138927318
here i sit broken hearted tried to shit only farted
>>
I downloaded this pack from one of the links in these threads and I'm following the instructions on the readme, but I don't see when I should read remembering the kanji, the grammar dictionaries or that dojg pdf document.
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>>138927598
>3 months
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>>138927598
>3 months
That's a pretty big reason unto itself.
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>>138927598
Learning vocab also increases your future vocab retention.
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>>138927656
Then don't do it. Learning to deconstruct and reconstruct the kanji is still a worthwhile time investment. In the several year long process of learning Japanese, 3 months isn't that much.
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>>まーいつかちよつと位
>まー = ???
>いつか = someday
>ちよつと = a bit
>位/くらい = grade/digit
Why am I not getting anything out of this? How should I approach this sentence? Did I split it up wrong in the first place?
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>>138927394
hai, soo desu
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>>138927206
>It will save you time because you'll have better retention and less review in the future.
Now my mature retention is at 87%, even assuming writing will magically bump that up 10% (which I really doubt because most of my failed cards are getting the readings wrong) that will free what, 5 minutes a day from anki?
I'll leave writing for when I'm actually able to produce, thanks.
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>>138927640

forgot picture like retard and I just noticed
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>>138927871
>まー
まあ
>ちよつと
ちょっと
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>>138927347
>That's what the conversation was about until you and maybe some other guy misinterpreted it.
Okay then, I'm sorry.

>>138927347
>but insisting everyone learns to write because you're "not learning properly!!!11" otherwise is autistic.
Agreed. Personally I just think there is too much fear and negativity built around the difficulty and arbitrariness of writing.
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>>138928016
Whatever you do don't fuck up the order because then dekinai chan will get you
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>>138927640
you don't really have to read them. DOJG = dictionaries of japanese grammar by the way. you're best off using DOJG as a reference after you finish tae kim and start reading. RTK can be read if you want to, or not at all.
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>>138927598
You could finish 2k in that time and start reading instead of worrying about dumb shit like your retention. Anki will make you retain that shit sooner or later either way.
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>>138928137
not that guy but is the order supposed to be
kana -> tae kim -> reading/anki?

im hoping learning becomes a little more fun after i start reading
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>>138928154
You can read with a texthooker even before completing core. And 2k words won't help you that much.
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>>138927871
well someday maybe a bit.
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>>138928040
>まあ
Makes sense, but If 'まあ' is 'Oh Dear!/Good Heavens!', the rest still makes no sense to me.

>ちょっと
That's actually what I meant.

>>138928245
>いつかちよつと位
Well shit
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>>138928239
Grammar is the main obstacle to start reading, and Core has example sentences so you improve your grammar while learning common vocab.
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>>138928400
まあ isn't "oh dear/good heavens" it's "well/hmm"
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>>138928227
>kana -> tae kim -> reading/anki
Yes, but the first weeks of reading will be hell. You'll also be referring back to TK or DOJG all the fucking time as well.
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>>138928470
Doesn't it depend on context though? Still even then the '位' is triggering me.
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>>138928520
well, someday to a little extent
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>>138928579
Ok that makes sense.
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>>138928227
more like kana -> anki/tae kim -> anki/reading/referencing dojg
but whatever you feel like doing is fine, any method is basically fine as long as you do something and don't stop going it
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I managed to turn the DOBJG into a searchable, bookmarked PDF with both English and weeb runes searchable. You need to install Adobe language shit but it works. I'd like this to be added to the OP as well.

https://a.pomf.cat/xvrwar.pdf
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>>138928686
>searchable
Holy shit I've been wanting this. Thank you.
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>>138928520
Only old gossiping women use it that way, and even then the pronunciation is different anyway.
Everything you run into online is going to be "well/hmm".
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>>138928461
Yeah, why start reading as soon as you can. Example sentences are certainly more effective in improving your grammar, they can't be ignored in that regard.
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How do I go about reversing an entire Anki deck? Google got me as far as "do each card manually, you're fucked." Can I export the Excel and run a regex/copy-paste?
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>>138928845
>reversing an entire Anki deck?
What do you mean?
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>>138928845
lol no
just edit the card formatting
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>>138928869
Like + -> -, front -> back. Pretty simple concept to grasp.
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>>138928869

Sorry, worded that poorly. Reverse the order of all cards in an Anki deck.

A|B -> B|A
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