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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>138788450
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はやっ
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奥様(おれ)は にゃっぴょん(日本)が おおおおおおおお (大大大大大)すきだにゃ
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剣の丘で勝利に酔う。
オれ和無限の剣製。
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>お前の大事な人がいなくなるのはいつもお前のせい
Literally what, can someone break this down into two sentences for me or some shit, because I'm not getting it.
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COMPELLING CONTENT > ANKI
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>>138819300
「お前の大事な人がいなくなる」はいつもお前のせい
>when your important person disappears, it's always your fault
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>>138819300
>It's your fault that you always lose the ones you care about
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>>138819320
Why not both? Obviously reading is more fun, but pairing the two leads to quicker and more efficient learning than just reading. Just keep the time spent in Anki relatively small compared to compelling content.
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>>138819333
>>138819380
Is it really person instead of people? And wouldn't it be literally 'it's always because of you(rself)'?
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ごめん

ごめんなさい

めんご
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>>138819391
>Is it really person instead of people?
I'd argue that it's probably singular, though I suppose context would make the determination. But the implication is "the thing of your important person disappearing" (in general, may have happened more than once) is your fault.
>wouldn't it be literally 'it's always because of you(rself)'?
Sure. As in it's the consequence of your actions? But I'm not sure that's a meaningful difference.
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>>138819398
ふん
信じないわ
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くずども

あいしてるぜ
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Which one did it though?
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>>138819822
Hmmmm......
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>mfw I realize it's going to take many years to get 20k-30k words just to read things comfortably
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Sometimes I wish I never got into studying this fucking language.
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>>138820050
Where's your face?
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>>138819822
me on the left

>>138820050
if you do 40 new words a day it'll only take 1 year 4.5 months to hit 20k
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>>138819667
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>>138820267
If he does 400 words a day, it will take a mere 50 days to hit 20k.
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>>138820339
I do 4,000 a day. WITNESS ME
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>>138820388
I memorized 5 million Japanese collocations yesterday, git gud.
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>ツシソン
WHY NIHONGO PEOPLE!?
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>>138820264
;=;
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>>138820636
>はほにた
>めぬ
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>>138820636
Those can be told apart fairly easy (when it's computer font) once you've learnt to recognise whether the long stroke starts at the top or the bottom.
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>>138820692
That's easy to tell apart if you are not retarded.
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>>138820636
>>138820692
These only ever seem like a problem when there is zero context

When you're reading and you see these it's instantly apparent which one it is, same with "indistinguishable" kanji
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Sentences are a bitch to understand.

So correct me if i'm wrong; Japanese tends to be more " unspecific" and shorter, Kanji covering most of the sentence?

Like, for example;
"Hey can you pass me that?"
"これわください?”

Sorry if i'm not making much sense here.
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>>138820800
Nothing in your post makes sense.
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>>138820794
I don't really have this problem with similar kanji because of radicals.
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How long did it take you to realise that rendaku is pointless and you should just ignore it entirely?

I just started ignoring it and my Japanese learning experience has improved significantly
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>>138820636
u v
WHY WHYYYYYYY EIGO PEOPLE!?
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>>138821228
>l
>I

>q
>p
>b
>d

なんじゃこりゃあぁ
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>>138820800
>これわください
>これはください(?)
お前馬鹿なの?できないー
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>>138820800
>これわください?
もしかして、「これをください」かな。
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>>138821485
I guess he tried to say これをください
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龖麤
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>100% on mature cards today
気持ち
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>>138822458
>>138822397
フェイク漢字達デス。
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卍亼卍
乄众乀
乂亹乂
亖亝亖
丄仐丅
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>>138822212
God damn
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>>138822755
Where the hell do you find that shit
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>>138822859
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Uncommon_kanji
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>>138820050
>>138820267
>>138820339
This is wrong on several counts.
>You get better at Anki'ing as you go, allowing you to take in more words each day as you progress.
>The more words you learn, the more previously unknown words you'd be able to decipher through your existing kanji and vocab knowledge.
>By reading and mining, you'll get a shortcut to the generally uncommon words that are particular to your favorite reading material
With all this combined, you'll be able to read reasonably well much sooner than you imagine.

That does require you to hit the raws, though. If you think you can just fall into an Anki rut and start blazing through raws 20k cards later, you're in for a surprise.
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So I told become a memelord, AND HE DID IT THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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>>138823229
何これ?
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>>138823280
Looks like some sort of gross translation
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>>138823229
Please stop ruining games.
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>>138823280
ゲームの翻訳

>>138823374
only memeing my friend, I didn't actually put it in.
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What's the difference between 夜, 闇, and 暗い ?
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>>138823462
Fucking pussy
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>>138823482
Night
Darkness (noun)
Dark (adjective)
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>>138823229
シーアイエー?
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>>138823645
パヴェル博士。
シーアイエーです。
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>>138823229
我々の恒等式は問題ではない、重要なの我々の計画がある。
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>>138823709
火は起きている。
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>>138823538
it would never have made it past the checker anyway t bh fa m
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>>138820636
Remember them in the word ソンシツ
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>>138824058
そすんすのつかいてなん
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>>138824058
Thanks senpai, that helped, especially the first part of your pic. (*´ω`*)(´・ω・`)
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>呟く
>咳く
Literally impossible.
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>>138824542
>not "Literally indistinguishable"
Fucking dropped, you impostor.
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>impossible
>indistinguishable
無理
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飽き足りなくなり
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>>138824593
I'm a completely different poster, talking about how Japanese is impossible to learn whenever I come across something I struggle with.
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> 気にする
> 気に入る
> 気になる
> 気に掛ける
> 気に障る
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>expect
>except
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I've found myself spacing out a lot lately while doing Anki. A thought pops into my head and then I just follow that rather than actually getting my flash cards done and over with. Now and then I'll have a burst of focus and just burn through them but that's more rare than I'd like. Any tips for keeping focused?
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>>138825413
try stimulants
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>>138825413
Doing my reps in bed on my tablet in the morning was the best decision I've made about Anki. No distractions and more comfy.
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>>138825436

I actually did for a while. I found that I still got distracted but just a bit less.
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>>138825532
what'd you try
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>>138824892
mouth + odd = a mutter
mouth + acorn = cough

Takes 5sec to come up with a logical link.
Good job you learned two new words.
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T-Thanks Core6k
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>>138825690
Have fun becoming blind before you pass 30.
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>>138825510

I would just fall back asleep and/or get too hungry having not eaten breakfast.

>>138825612

Ritalin, Vyvanse, Strattera (I don't think that's a stimulant actually), and Concerta. Vyvanse and Strattera were fucking horrible for my but the other two worked alright since they're the same drug but formulated differently.

>>138825690

Somehow I never knew what the OB in OB/GYN stood for until I got to that card.
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>>138825741
Have fun with your 50% retention, yellow backgrounds improve performance by 67%.
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>>138825751
>I would just fall back asleep

Sounds like you're not sleeping properly:
>Free running sleep is defined by the abstinence from all forms of sleep control such as alarm clocks, sleeping pills, alcohol, caffeine, etc. Free running sleep is a sleep that comes naturally at the time when it is internally triggered by the combination of your homeostatic and circadian components. In other words, free running sleep occurs when you go to sleep only then when you are truly sleepy (independent of the relationship of this moment to the actual time of day). Night sleep on a free running schedule lasts as long as the body needs, and ends in natural awakening. No form of sleep disruption is allowed. In particular, any use of an alarm clock is the cardinal violation of the free running sleep principle.
https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/sleep
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>>138825394
>excerpt
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>>138825690
How the fuck can you look at this background for more than 30 seconds? Even that seems like an impossible task.
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Anons, what does "頼れないってよりできちゃうんだろうなひとりで" mean?

the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
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>>138826098
>the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
Yes.
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>>138826098
>the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
No.
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>>138826098
>the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
Maybe
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>>138826098
>the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
I don't know.
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>>138826098
>the "ちゃう" here is supposed to be "てしまう" right?
Can you repeat the question?
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>>138826098
I'm fine thank you
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>>138825919
What's the young retention from? Does the deck have duplicate cards / cards you already know or something? At least my mature retention is higher.
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>>138826525
>Does the deck have duplicate cards / cards you already know or something?
No.
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>>138826572
Why are the 'hard' and 'correct' rate so similar? Do you press hard when you don't know the first time or something?
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>>138825919
You have twice the amount of learning and young answers as I do, yet almost the same amount of mature answers with a higher retention to boot.
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>>138826631
>Do you press hard when you don't know the first time or something?
No.
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>>138826572
Did RTK/KD or something beforehand then? Or do you have just autist-tier memory? If the former I can understand since my retention was similar with Core (it's lower with my mining deck though since I only add words I had issues with / new kanji and readings).
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>>138826689
>Did RTK/KD or something beforehand then?
No.

>Or do you have just autist-tier memory?
I don't think so?
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>>138826670
Then why is it so similar? Also, can you post the time section of the anki stats? I'm interested in seeing how much time you put into Anki to have such a good retention rate.
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>先
>申し訳ないけど、今日は先に元彼とした約束があるので、あなたとは会えません。
who comes up with these examples?
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>>138826722
>I don't think so?
If you did no form of kanji study beforehand, then it's probably just autist-tier memory. It's pretty rare to see someone with that high retention who isn't cheating, doing a deck with duplicate cards (production, recognition, etc.), or did RTK/KD beforehand.
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>>138826766
What kind of deck are you using? I didn't have this sentence when I first encountered it in Core2k.
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>>138826821
wanikani.
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>>138826821
Probably RTK
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>>138826724
I press hard if I only barely remember it, if I need some time to remember reading or meaning, or if I guess correctly but doubt myself.

Time is higher than most people though.
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>>138826933
Then you're doing pretty damn good. Well you take some time but that's perfectly fine honestly. What deck is that anon? The only deck when I had close to that retention rate was when I did core. (And I was 'only' at 90% or so.)
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>>138827040
60% core 6k, 40% mined words+grammar.
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>>138827135
So you already finished 6k or it's a complete mix between the two? It's really good anon.
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>>138827201
A mix, right now 30 new core6k and 20 new mined words per day.
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I'm nearing the end of core 6k and would like advice on what to do next. Pretty sure the general consensus is to mine vocab after this but I'm wondering how many

of you have found 10k. I heard somewhere what it covers is fine but the order in which it does it is bad. If thats all thats wrong with it maybe this is the right choice

for a lazy fuck like me.

And for those just focusing on mining at this point. How much do you roughly read each day for this? and how many words do you tend to add each day? I know I

don't read enough but perhaps I'll get burnt out slower if I'm using 'my' deck.

I know this has been mentioned in previous threads but please humour me; what's the best method for adding mined vocab to a new deck, and will this way add an

example sentence with it? I find them useful to see how a word is used.

Thanks for any help.
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How am I doing, /djt/?
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>>138826766
All I wanted was to learn Japanese, but I'm going to be a qualified patent lawyer by the time this deck is finished.
>対称
>複数の対称領域のうち、メッシュが最も密に細分化された対称領域を抽出し、抽出した対称領域に生成してあるメッシュを、複数の対称領域間の回転対称性及び/又は鏡面対称性に基づいて他の対称領域のそれぞれに複写する。
>A symmetrical area in which the mesh is subdivided at the highest density is extracted out of the plurality of symmetrical areas, and the mesh generated in the extracted symmetrical area is duplicated to respective other symmetrical areas on the basis of the rotational symmetry and/or mirror symmetry among the plurality of symmetrical areas.
>直進
>歩行型移植機の直進性を確保する。 To ensure the straight advancing ability of a walking type transplanter.
また、カム筒501に形成されたカムに係合され固定筒505に直進案内される第1の直進筒403と、複数のレンズ群を光軸方向に直進案内するする第2の直進筒502とを備える。
>The zoom lens barrel includes: the first straight advance barrel 403 which is engaged with the cam formed on the cam barrel 501 and guided to straight advance by the fixed barrel 505, and the second straight advance barrel 502 which guides the plurality of lens groups to straight advance in the optical axis direction.
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>>138827232
For someone of your level you will easily find the minimum of 20-whatever words if you actually read beyond like a single chapter of manga
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It's been a couple days and I gotta say, mining from the LOGH word list to compensate for not finding enough words in the stuff I've been reading has turned out to be a great choice. Though it's not often, I do see many of the mined words while surfing the web or reading a VN, so its efficacy is apparent. Glad I did this.
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俺のちゃんたまを流した。
静かな自慰行為したので、妹は家がいるよ。
気持ち良いね。
(⊙﹏⊙)
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>>138827334
I think you're right, but how would I add those to a deck efficiently?
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>>138827515
There is no way more efficient than Rikai-sama auto import, given how it's just pressing R. There is no way more customizable than epwing 2 anki.
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>>138827232
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2754914665
That's what you need to do next. It'll take you straight to fluency.
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>>138827554
Can you choose the definition Rikai-sama would import? There are cases where the word I want is neither the first definition for its kanji, nor the first definition for its kana, so I can't get it in through the auto-import, even if I retype the word.
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>>138827232
What's with that spacing? Anyways
>I know this has been mentioned in previous threads but please humour me; what's the best method for adding mined vocab to a new deck, and will this way add an example sentence with it? I find them useful to see how a word is used.

Anyways, if you're reading VNs or watching anime with Japanese subs (so stuff that can be texthooked), then http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk works pretty well. Essentially makes making new cards a 1-2 button process for the vast majority of words (some have multiple entries and you want a specific one or Rikai doesn't have audio so you have to get it somewhere else like Forvo).

I've also heard it works with Capture2text if you're reading manga/LN scans or something though.

There's even a tag on the Rikai import settings to get the sentence you imported the word from (though lines with sentence ending punctuation won't import the whole line, not sure if there's a way to change that). If you want sets of example sentences generated in the cards for you rather than just using the context you found it in, you could also pair it with Epwing2Anki, but that's slightly more tedious.
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>>138827717
Enable sticky mode (press "u" while hovering over a word) and mouseover the entry you want. If that doesn't work either, then just manually fix the card real quick by copy-pasting (sticky mode lets you copy paste from the popup). If you accidentally click somewhere else and get rid of the Rikai popup, just ctrl+click on a word.
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>>138825690
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>>138827877
Needs more Comic Sans.
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>>138827877
That's a great background, senpaikunsama!
Where can I buy it?
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>tfw been awake for 40 hours
Should I do my reps or should I make up for it tomorrow?
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>>138827877
I feel like I'm doing Anki reps in the early 2000s or late 90s
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>>138828045
I did my reps when I was awake for about 30-35 hours. Didn't go as badly as I expected.
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>>138828078
But you are in the early 2000s right now.
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>>138827233
bretty good except for mature
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>>138828088
Eh, what the hell. Let's do this shit. 出来る
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>>138828186
できるぞ、名無しくん。
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>>138827738
That guide will be a great help thanks. Looks like I'll need to look into epwing as well, having the sentence can help make it clearer which definition of a word is being used. And yeah my spacing was fucked up I think due to word wrap.
Also have you given 10k a try? Just wondering what your thoughts on it are.
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>>138826572
>>138826670
>No.
>No.
Fucking dark autist sperg.
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>>138828392
>Also have you given 10k a try? Just wondering what your thoughts on it are.
Nope, I stopping doing new cards in Core about 2500 cards in and started mining instead.
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>>138828446
Stop saying No., mothertrucker!!!!!
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Do we even have people who've completed core 2k6k until 100% blue Kanjigrid? I see people posting their trash grids all the time but never once I've seen one all blue.
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>>138828853
Here's mine, finished the deck in january
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Does Japan actually have month names or do they just use 一月 二月 etc?

That seems kind of lonely... I'd feel sad if I could only refer to the months by number.
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>>138828853
Blue = 6 months by default
Most people drop decks before every card is 6 month interval
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>>138828894
Nice, may I ask what are the white ones though?

>>138828915
Uh, never dropped any decks, is this common among people? It kinds of defeat the purpose.
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>>138828914
As far as I know they had them, but I don't think anyone actually uses them anymore.
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>>138828965
>what are the white ones

I have no idea, I think they're there because I changed the default word written in hiragana to use kanji
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>>138828915
>>138828965

Isn't the point to retain as many words as possible? I imagine if you kept doing the 6k deck for long enough after encountering all the cards the reviews would go down by a lot so it wouldn't take much effort.
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>>138828965
>It kinds of defeat the purpose.
When cards are mature, you're supposed to know them, so it doesn't defeat the purpose. Furthermore, Anki is a supplement to reading. When you can read easily, then that will become your SRS, and anki becomes bunk. I dropped Core2k/6k because I saw all the words while reading so much, the deck was a waste of time. So no, dropping decks doesn't defeat the purpose.
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>>138828914
There's a traditional name for each month:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calendar#Months
They're used in the way you would expect of archaic language.

師走 is pretty cool, though. It's pretty much the only month name that's still relateable even in our modern society.
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>>138829090
It's also used in a lame pun in azumanga daioh
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>>138829042
>it wouldn't take much effort.
The equation here is "effort" vs "desire to expend effort", and the desire to expend effort reviewing material you already know well every day for the rest of your life (or otherwise years) is very low, which cancels out however low the effort may be. For most people.
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>>138829078
>>138829143
I can understand this, but personally I haven't set a limit to "how blue" a card can get, so to give you an example my oldest deck has cards I won't have to review before 2017 or even 2018. Seeing a card just takes me 2 seconds, it's nothing.

I'm kind of a completionist though, and I see how someone could call me an autist for it, but yeah I understand why some people decide to do that, it's completely fair.
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Can syllables only go from unvoiced to voiced or they can go both ways?
Like how 「しま」 in 島 can become 「じま」. Is the opposite possible?
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When is it a good time to start reading, in addition to grammar studies and deck studies?
Like, how many known kanji/words/grammar rules makes reading the right thing to start doing?
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>>138829250
>I haven't set a limit to "how blue" a card can get
I don't know what you mean, kanjigrid has "180" days be strong by default so blue is 180, or perhaps 360 if 180 is the middle and not the end.
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>>138829328
Minimum 1000 vocab and half of tae kim done I'd say.
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>>138829328
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
READ THE GUIDEEEE
>Once you have worked through Tae Kim, it is time to start reading. You can also start earlier, but you should expect to encounter a lot of unknown grammar.
>After learning (at least) basic Japanese grammar, you can, and should, start reading and learning words from actual Japanese. You can find recommended reading, including games, in the ‘Learning Resources’ section, along with some websites to assist you with listening and writing.
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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>>138829396
I worded this weirdly sorry, I meant my maximum interval, which is 10 years (36500).
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>>138829143
>>138829250

A good way to reduce the amount of reviews in the long run is to play with the modifiers. I set my interval modifier to 120% and easy bonus to 170% when I had about 1000 words left and was grinding 60-80 new words per day. Now I only have to deal with 30-50 reviews per day.
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>>138829410
I should get started then, thanks.

>>138829466
Been some time since I read the guide.
ごめんなさい先輩
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>>138829466
I don't disgree with anything you said but your posting style makes me wish you would kill yourself
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>>138829544
He's just your average teenager
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>>138829523
My easy interval is 4 days, starting ease 250%, interval modifier 100% and easy bonus 130%.

I don't think I'll increase it any time soon, I'm still right in the middle of intermediate hell and not getting out of it any time soon.
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>>138829644
Fucking with your intervals is something you should only do when you're very sure that the cards you're going to do will be very easy (to you) or just when you've already finished the deck.

I still use default interval modifiers on my mining deck which is my main deck now because I still come into contact with tricky words and new kanji every now and then.
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>>138829510
I don't think anyone limits their max interval.
>>138829523
I don't think you get it man. The urge to drop anki, the desire to be free, is a red hot seething passion within the hearts of men. If it comes down to reviewing material you already know for little benefit except conforming to SRS' schedule, you can bet your ass people will drop it like wildfire. I mean fuck, look at all the people who drop Core2k the moment they introduce the 2000th card, look at all the people who drop Anki ENTIRELY after Core2k, Anki is a monument to the worst aspects of language learning, the unending tedium of flashcards, the binding scheduels and the boredom. If a glint of light is seen within reading it is man's deepest desire to FLEE to escape the schackles of Anki's wretched flashcards and bask in the warm of reading's utopian plains, engaging in compelling content to his hearty's content. That is why it's rare for graphs to turn blue, for in order to so most men themselves would turn blue in intolerable sorrow.
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>>138829466
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.
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>>138829583
Nah, just a 20-something tired of people asking the same question constantly
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>Finished よつばと! volume 1+2
>Can't use the Reading Pack anymore

Training wheels are off now.
Time for the real pain.

がんばるぞい
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>>138829774
Love your writeup dude, but once you finish a deck, the time to review each card gets really short. For instance I take an average of 40-60 seconds to do my reviews for core.

I'm guilty of dropping decks too though -- I worked my way through 120 cards in a 四字熟語 deck and one day I just went "Fuck this" and dropped it harder than I dropped Subete ga F ni naru on the first episode.

>>138829883
Good luck, your mining journey begins here. Here's a tip: you should make mining as easy as possible by using OCR programs (linked in the guide) to identify words instead of drawing them one by one.
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>>138821014
Did you seriously dedicate study time to purely rendaku? Are people really this retarded?
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why do you talk about よつばと so often?
that is a convenient cartoon to learn Japanese?
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>>138829935
That 40-60 seconds is intolerable to burning spirit of man. At some point pride overcomes all else.
Well, so I say, but I finished the DOJG deck and I still do the 1-2 daily reviews just because. I figure when I can read LOGH/Muramasa without struggling I'll close anki for the final time though, just as a symbolic gesture of overcoming vocabulary hell and thus no longer needing Anki.
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>>138829976
It's japanesecartoon that's 「Easy For The Beginner」, you know ですよ。
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>>138829935
>For instance I take an average of 40-60 seconds to do my reviews for core.

>tfw I stopped doing new cards in core 8 months ago and still have 40~ reviews a day in it because of how low the ease on my cards got since I did most of them before I did RTK and ended up rarely ever hitting good and pretty much never hitting easy except for on katakana words
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>>138830072
I suspended every single katakana word. I also suspended all words when I was able to guess the meaning on the first try.
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I'm halfway through core2k6. The first 2000 cards were really easy, I think I know 90 to 95% of it without any problems but when it comes to these 1000 cards I did next I noticed a difference as it got harder. I noticed I'm almost only paying attention to the Kanji and how they're read, and well from there I'm able to guess the meanings of other words and so on, etc.

My "problem" is that I don't really pay attention to what the word means. Of course I can guess it thanks to the Kanji meanings but often I just pay attention to how it's read and that's it. My take on this is that anyway core2k6k's translations are jisho-tier at best and thus can't convey all the nuances and so I'm probably better off not caring about this too much until I've read more. Did something similar happen to you guys?

tl;dr : I'm focusing on how Kanji are read much more than trying to understand what the words are and mean.
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>>138830241
Are you chinese or something
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>>138830259
No but I studied RTK1 and RTK3 for a good while before doing core so I don't have any trouble writing Kanji and telling them apart.
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>>138829976
Someone made a really useful guide for reading it aalso its 4chans mascot
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>>138829976
Has a reading pack for it that's extremely helpful for beginners, is easy enough that you can jump right into it after Tae Kim and not have many issues, so it's not that frustrating, it's actually good (unless you have shit taste), 4chan's "mascot" etc.

Also the fact that most people on DJT start with Yotsuba when getting into reading, so it's just a cycle. Flyable Heart and Hanahira as first VNs is kind of the same way.

There are other manga that are likely just as easy, but the reading pack does wonders if you're a new reader.
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>>138830302
Do you have any problems with comprehension when reading? If you don't, I would advise that you be more strict when doing your reps, i.e. hit again when you remember the reading but only a vague meaning. Doing this should make you hit again more which means that you see the card (and the meaning!) more often helping you to drill it into your head.
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>ここは主に人型
>Here are mainly the humanoid ones.
Is there something I could improve here? It somehow feels wrong, I don't know.
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>>138830459
Most of these are humanoid.
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>>138830443
I don't have trouble but here again it's not like I encountered the said words whose meanings are only vague to me. I think I'm just allergic to all these business words that all mean the same thing core tend to throw around.

I'll try to be a bit more careful though.
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>消してきなさい
>消してきました
One is asking them to extinguish the candle, the other is him later saying he did it. What I do get is what appears to be くる appended to it.

I know it's just some basic grammar thing I'm missing like a retard and it's infuriating.
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>>138830590
don't get*
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>>138830590
"go do x"
"i went to"
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>>138830675
I thought くる only reference coming from a point? The second one makes sense, but why wouldn't the first line use いく?
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>>138830741
My bad, "Come extinguish it" then I suppose.

I get your annoyance for those as they bothered me too. I would recommend just trying to feel those rather than trying to translate them word for word.
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>>138830741
You should do your Tae Kims.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/teform
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>>138830590
In this case it's literal "extinguish and come (back) here" - "extinguished and came".

There is indeed grammar about sticking くる and いく to テ形 of other verbs, but just study that when you will.
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>>138830837
>>138830849
>>138830884
>"extinguish and come (back) here
This was actually my assumption, but it felt weird to me so I just assumed I was missing something more obvious. Thanks guys.
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>>138830944
おならきました
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Can someone type this out?
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>>138825690
Just saw that word in a nukige, actually. Thanks for real, core6k.
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>>138826780
Maybe he just pays attention when learning the cards? Who knows.
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>>138831552
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>>138831943
Good point anon, I'm sure no one has considered trying to pay attention when studying.
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>>138831944
ty
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>>138831993
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>黒い腕のような瘴気をまとう少女のデザインはほほ朷期のまま
So what I'm getting out of this is:
>This is the Design of a girl who has a miasma-like black arm.
But then there's this
>ほほ朷期のまま
>朷期
>three dates
Like literally what?
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>>138831993
Idk, man. I'm always half asleep by the time I finish my reps.
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>>138832724
>ほほ朷期

Are you sure this isn't supposed to be ほぼ初期?
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>>138832831
Well that makes a lot more sense
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>>138831993
Judging by DJT anons constantly struggling with the dumbest shit, yeah.
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>>138833680
Sure, put everyone else down to make yourself feel good. I trust that you have 100% reading comprehension and find most of the questions asked here about reading too simple too.
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マイドッグズ調子はどうだい
もう楽しい一日が始めるぞい
とっととケツマンコの準備をしておけ
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>>138833680
Or the average person doesn't have an autistic photographic memory.
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>>138827232
Read a VN with a texthooker. Use the ITH+FI+rikai guide that people have been posting recently.

Seriously.

I've been having so much fun with this. More than readers, more than children's books, more than grammar textbooks.

Before it took discipline to spend an hour reading.

Now my reading sessions are 3-4 hours long and I don't even notice.
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I want to learn, so it would be god's work if someone could point out all of my mistakes, because I'm pretty sure that I fucked something up with my garbage japanese.

>Nanatsu no Taizai Set Collection (III) => Nanatsu no Taizai Designs (III)

><Ten Commandments> Design's rough Draft.
Here are mainly the humanoid ones.

>Zeldris & Derrierie. This is pretty much the initial design of a girl who wears a miasma like black arm.
>Estarossa looks exactly like Meliodas' current wanted poster instead of the boy's look.
If I didn't get that line completely wrong it would suggest that the boy's the one on the upper left?
>The man in the top right corner with the long hair and the skin head (?) in the center are unused.
>By the way, the bearded man in the bottom center was a prototype of Monspiet.
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一筋のトイレットペーパーにこのスレをプリントしておこう
そして穴を拭け

>>138835013
what specifically are you unsure about? if youre trying to translate a whole grip of shit and then precede it with saying youre not sure about basically all of it, it seems like youre trying to run before you can walk
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>>138835370
>what specifically are you unsure about?
It's this line specifically 'Estarossa looks exactly like Meliodas' current wanted poster instead of the boy's look.' But there may be a mistake somewhere else too, although I don't think so.
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>>138834395
>having normal memory is autistic
Well, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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>>138835567
If it were normal, seeing people with that retention with 0 kanji study would be way more common. But I know you're just looking for an ego stroke, so whatever.
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>>138835456
break it down more. what in that line do you not understand? the theme here is the more specific you get, the better you can identify and solve your issue
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>>138835910
>>138835910
There is no regular 'instead' in that sentence, but it made sense in the context, so the question is if the TL for that sentence overall is still faithful.
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>>138835803
The people who actually learn have nothing to complain about, so you just don't hear much from them. Now, the dummies on the other hand will bitch and moan all day every day.
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>>138835985
its not "instead." its "because" he looks like a young boy that he looks just like the kid in the wanted poster

so weve identified that you were unsure on how から works here. thats what i was getting at
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Hey /djt/, what does "フィルム" refer to?
Just film as in movies, or film as in all kinds of films, like TV anime. Or does it refer to literal film stock?
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>>138836358
Literal film.
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>>138822991
>You get better at Anki'ing as you go, allowing you to take in more words each day as you progress.

For me it's the opposite. I started with 20, dropped to 10 and have now settled on only 5 new words a day.

~1300 words in.
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>>138836292
>its "because" he looks like a young boy that he looks just like the kid in the wanted poster
That makes no sense though. Estarossa looks like the wanted poster in the series. And the wanted poster shows an old man. There is non with a little boy, that's what's confusing me here.
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>>138822991
>If you think you can just fall into an Anki rut and start blazing through raws 20k cards later
No one thinks this.

Why do so many posters here treat anki like a boogeyman? Literally no one here does anki and nothing else. But almost every time someone starts ranting about how anki isn't effective by itself. Literally no one thinks otherwise.
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おはようおにいちゃん

ここはだれわたしはどこ
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>>138836760
so you mean to say estarossa in shounen form, unlike his wanted poster from today, greatly resembles meriodas (in this panel)

we still havent identified what you feel unsure about. what is it that doesnt click despite you knowing what its saying in english?
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>>138836484
That's pretty bad.
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>>138837149
So the thing is that I think that teh sentence should be
>Estarossa looks exactly like Meliodas' current wanted poster instead of the boy's look
Because Estarossa, a grown man, looks like Melidodas' wanted poster, showing a grown man. The 'instead' wasn't outright in the sentence though which implies what you wrote here >>138836292 which in return would make no sense. So the problem is what the exact translation would be and if just adding the 'instead' makes sense for this sentence or if there is another, more literal way to express it.
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>>138836415
Thanks
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>>138837320
the function of から is obvious because of 現在 following after, which it is trying to tell you there is a difference between the two. whether or not you want to try and force the word "instead" into a translation is ultimately up to you

"exact translation" is a pipe dream most of the time
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>>138836484
Man, that's just terrible. You should really be doing at least 30 new cards a day. It doesn't matter how many failed cards you get, just fail and relearn them fast and be without fear.
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>>138837806
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>>138837806
I suppose I'll give ramping it up another shot. I wonder for those of you who do 20 or more new words a day how many cards is your daily Anki dose? For me with 5 it's usually between 100-150.
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>>138838338
20 new words, usually 115ish reviews per day.
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>>138838338
I've been doing 33 new cards a day.
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>>138838623
You must have pretty great retention. I think mine is worse than it should be. I see so many posters in these threads with better stats.

Come to think of it I turned off suspending leech cards early on. Was that a mistake? There's ~250 cards marked as leech now.
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>マスク脱げば死んじゃうんだい?
>絶対苦しんでいますよ
>大きくて強そう
あなたは

Rate my spicy meme pls
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I am glad it is over.
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>>138839339
>still have 34 new / 150 review cards left
H-halfway there...
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>>138839312
You are only 1300 cards in and you have 250 leeches? Ouch. You should definitely suspend them though. When you finish the deck, unsuspend them all and try again.
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>>138822396
気分がいいって言わないの?
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>>138839326
おなら中これを送信します

>>138839339
何か分かったのか
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>>138839449
>You are only 1300 cards in and you have 250 leeches? Ouch.

At a low new card pace no less. It's why I ended up disabling the suspending.
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>>138839339
same
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>>138839691
All leeches do is waste time. If you haven't remembered them by the time you fail them 8 times, there is no reason to keep trying.
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>>138839571
はい、日本語を学ぶのは私には無理だ。
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I know it's a weird question, but is anyone studying just kanji? As in, already able to speak, but illiterate. Or is there any kind of literature on the topic?
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>>138840013
Literally every native
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>>138838623
Nice.
I do 20 new cards a day and end up reviewing around 200-250 cards total.
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>>138839814
らしいな
君に幸あれ

>>138840013
people will do anything
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>>138840013
>Or is there any kind of literature on the topic?
Yes but it's all written in Japanese.
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>>138840035
I meant as an adult, sorry.
>>138840350
大丈夫だ、問題ない。
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>>138840013
>>138840428
You basically just need to do it the same way everyone else does.

Just do a kanji study with KKLC or RTK or something and then read a lot of content.
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>>138840013
Well yes.
It just makes everything easier since you know the words already, and that you're able to read text with furigana without problem.
Otherwise it's more or less the same.
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>>138840519
>>138840774
Sorry, I don't mean I need advice. I was just wondering if there was first hand experience or some kind of study on the subject. I'm already pretty confident in my Japanese abilities myself. It's more of an academic curiosity I have.
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>>138840905
I can spot you as a non native speaker just by how much you apologise
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>>138841060
wat
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>>138841060
>implying he's not canadian
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>>138840905
Alright then.
It's not as if I can't read at all, but I'm definitely better at speaking.
Then again, I don't really think this is the right place if you're looking for that kind of people.
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>勝手に
>involuntarily
>willfully
wait a minute
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Sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anyone know what's going on with Nama's channel?
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>>138841060
I'm a native English speaker and one time I apologized to someone too. It wasn't so bad.
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>>138841482
Came back to the US, had a fund raiser. Friend fucked him over. Now he's in legal limbo.
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>>138841432
My hips are moving involuntarily.
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>>138819019
What's a good dorama to watch?
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>>138841432
It's usually used in situations where someone are doing something without getting permission, but can also be used like >>138841571 said.
Hence the problem when translating to English.
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>>138841601
One that has a premise you find interesting.
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>>138841634
>>138841571
Oh, I see. Thank you.
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>>138841530
Oh, that sucks. Thank you anyways.
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>>138841530
>legal limbo
What did he do?
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When Americans say they have a brother how they know if it is 弟 or 兄?
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>>138841601
1 litre of tears

>>138842091
this isnt an american thing i dont think also you say younger brother or older brother if you want to reveal that information
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>>138842091
they don't
you could specify older brother or younger brother if you wanted
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Fuck you guys weren't joking when you said editing took fucking forever
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>>138839339
>>138839386
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>>138841601
Ghost writer
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>>138842430
何か分かったのか
>>
I am Japan
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>>138841601
Ikebukuro Westgate Park
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>>138842912
I am pen
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>>138843113
I fuck pen, do you?
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>>138843131
I fuck pen more than you
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ive got like 10 pens up my butt and 2 in my dick hole right now
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>>138843515
痛そう
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>>138843701
とっても気持ちいいです
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>>138843701
逆に気持ちいいわ
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Sorry guys but does 破裂しそう mean "looks like its about to explode" or just "looks like its exploding"
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>家内
Fucking Japan.
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>>138844446
At least they know their place unlike all the feminists in 'murica.
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>>138844436
looks explosive
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>>138844674
Thanks, I only really thought the "about to" part made more sense because of the context, but there's really no reason why it would be that
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>>138841601
Nodame Cantabile (series + movies)
1 Liter of Tears
Nobuta wo Produce
My Boss My Hero
Hanazakari no Kimitachi e
Dragon Zakura

Nodame is the best.
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>>138844758
>Nodame is the best.
Would you say it's better than the anime?
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How do you get "Akashi" from "明石"? I'm reading 四畳半神話大系 and just wondering
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>>138844831
By reading out aloud.
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>>138844821
They are very close. Overall I think the drama might be slightly better, but it has some really awful parts, like Streseman being played by an asian guy faking a horrible foreign accent.
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>>138839719
>>138839339
>>138842430
you guys are so fucking quick compared to me, whad the fuck my man
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>>138845171
Perhaps you are doing a kanji deck?
>>
oh
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How are you supposed to gauge when a sentence isn't important when reading? I mean like how do you tell when the author isn't trying to tell you something with their use of language and just a simple sentence.

I have a hard time reading when I feel like I'm missing something even easy shit but it's like I can feel the sentence you know?
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What's the best way to translate アソコ into english? (When referring to vagina)

Can't really think of a cute way of putting it, or if I should translate it literally as "that place"
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>>138845893
Is that really how they shorten マンコ?
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>>138845953
It literally means like "that place"
そこ
あこ
etc
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>>138845542
英語と同じことだろう
つまり知ることを知る

>>138845893
"down there"
"my stinking rotting cunt"
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>>138845893
Snatch.
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>>138844831
明 あか
石 し
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>>138846118
That's a load of shit, I don't have that same problem with English. It's more about how do I know when this wording is important, since Japanese has specific ways of wording things, such as using GA instead of wa or using passive to show a lack of intent, etc
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>>138845893
don't translate it literally, saying "that place" when talking about your genitals sounds retarded in english
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>>138841636
So which ones aren't about "wahhh i'm dying" or soap opera tier romance?
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>>138846511
You READ MORE
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>>138846597
But I can't read because I don't want to ruin it or learn wrong what's the point of reading if you're wrong
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>>138846540
Idk I kind of like it, and I can't think of a better alternative
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>>138846511
Consult the I Ching.
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>>138846665
>what's the point of reading if you're wrong
To get better at Japanese

If you can't even get the main ideas of what is going on then you read more grammar guides. If you're just missing some nuance, you stop being autistic and keep going.
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>>138846665
>what's the point of reading if you're wrong
Trial and error.
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>>138846706
But I am getting the main point it's the smaller more important nuance I'm missing
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>>138846511
ok sorry i cant help you good luck figuring out the answer to a endlessly broad and subjective question that also potentially requires esp

わたしがにっぽん <-重要
わたしはにっぽん <-重大
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>>138846741
>help me
>please help me
> help me, please
> would you mind giving a hand

You won't get the nuance unless you read more.
Just read more mate. That's how learning foreign language go. You have to immerse yourself in it.
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How come all of you do anki for like 60 minutes with just 20 new words? I do 20 and I rarely get more than 120 cards due each day, which doesn't take long
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>>138846665
出来ない。
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>>138846741
You know how you start to get nuance? By reading a lot of content.
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>>138847080
I do 50 a day.
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Can someone explain to me how are you supposed to find the way to pronounce a kanji with the strokes? I can't see how can you read them to find the pronunciation.
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>>138847080
私が日本なのでankiなどいらぬ
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>>138847347
you dont thats not how it works dude read a guide or some shit
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>>138847080
>only 20 new words
出来ない
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>>138847080
It took me an hour when I first started Anki, but now I can do that in around 30 minutes depending on how much I tab out to shitpost
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>>138847347
kanji represent ideas not sounds, though certain parts of them can often suggest their pronunciation. i'd recommend reading the guide if you haven't already
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>>138847347
>strokes
Don't bother with that shit, Famicom. Just get one of the core decks and start actually learning something relevant efficiently.
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>>138847577
"efficiently" you have to put it in quotes
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>>138847614
I'll put you in quotes.
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>>138847643
そこじゃいや~お兄ちゃん
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>>138847347
You look at the right part if the kanji happens to be a 形成文字. It happens often enough, but not always. It's just a general hint.
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>>138847384
>>138847522
>>138847577
I think I get it now. Each Kanji has its own way of pronunciation mostly unrelated to the strokes and you have to memorize them. The strokes are just the way to write them. Is that it? Fucking hell, looks harder than I thought.
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>>138847836
>The strokes are just the way to write them.
Obviously. Unless you actually want to learn handwriting, there's no reason to do individual kanji study. Do a radical deck and Core 2k/6k/10k instead.
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>>138847836
yeah. it may look complicated but your brain can do it

>>138847873
eat shit fago
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>>138847836
>>138847873
yeah this thread is for NIHONGO MASTERS only
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>>138847836
You just have to memorize 3000 kanji and about 2500 of those are in sets of 2-6 similiar looking kanji like 待持時侍恃特

Have fun
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>>138847970
Don't forget almost every kanji has at least 2 readings and some have many many more. Then you have to try to figure out which words have rendaku.
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>>138847928
>>138847903
Will try it. Thank you.

>>138847970

How many Kanji I need to learn if I want to translate fun stuff like Hentai? Just asking.
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>>138848045
You can just machine translate if all you need is to translate hentai.
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>だ is short for です
If you don't believe this then you can't learn Japanese
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>>138848175
誠か?
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>>138847960
俺は日本語言語学者です
ケツの穴から話すことができます
よろしプー

>>138848045
you have to know all the kanji in the hentai you are looking at to be able to translate it (without looking things up)

you never stop seeing new kanji in life, the frequency just goes down over time

>>138848175
そうでんねん
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>read ばくおん manga
>easy as piss; know basically everything in there
>watch ばくおん OAV
>can't understand shit

I really need to work on my listening skills. If there's any proof that it's not a waste of time at my current level of vocab and grammar, this is it.
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>>138848583
Listening comprehension is esentially the hardest part of learning Japanese aside from maybe reading out loud without stuttering, pausing or sounding like a retard in general. You need to already know all the words and their meanings to get what people are saying, it's leagues above mere reading in terms of difficulty. Find anime with Japanese subs.
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>>138848909

I honestly think that it depends on which activity you're more used to.

When talking about untranslated vidya, you run across people who ask "Is everything voiced?" That's because they don't know kanji, but can kinda follow along with spoken Japanese. Of course, those same people will begin to lose the plot when the plot is picking up or the dialogue is becoming too flavored, since they generally don't have the sheer amount of vocabulary needed to be able to follow along with a wide variety of topics presented in a wide variety of ways.

In my case, I have the vocabulary for this level of work (as evidenced by the fact that I can read without stopping or guessing more often than not), but I'm not used to listening to Japanese.
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>>138849227
>Of course, those same people will begin to lose the plot when the plot is picking up or the dialogue is becoming too flavored,

Which is essentially 90% of the time in games aimed at anything but preschoolers, especially stuff like JRPGs. These mythical "fluent in listening and talking but unable to read" people don't actually exist, but fake polyglots who think they know far more than they actually do certainly do.
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>even if you do 100 words a day, it will still take you a year to get a native tier vocabulary
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>>138849473
That's why I'm doing 500 words a day.
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>>138849473
A year is fucking nothing.
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>>138849288

>These mythical "fluent in listening and talking but unable to read" people don't actually exist, but fake polyglots who think they know far more than they actually do certainly do.

The amount of vocabulary needed for everyday conversation isn't anywhere near as high the amount of vocabulary needed for fiction. It's not really that the polyglots overestimate themselves (they're capable of telling whether they can hold a conversation or not) so much as that they have different goals, and the amount that they know is sufficient to achieve said goals.

Of course, when you have people like Steve who are looking for more than just bro talk, a small vocabulary doesn't cut it.


>>138849473

Yes, anon, you're in it for the long haul. Don't think about how much you have left to learn. Instead, focus on how much you've learned, and how much better your Japanese will become if you keep at it.
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What's the deal with those azw3 LNs in the CoR?
The DRM is removed right?
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>>138849473
doing flash cards doesnt give you native tier shit
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>>138849473
The same applies to other languages, baka.
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>>138849603
no. if you open them, the piracy police will come within an hour. be careful.
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How would you transition from core 6k to 10k without getting 6k duplicates in the 10k deck?
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>>138850372
I wouldn't, anything past core2k is overkill.
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>>138850363
>piracy police
You'll give the guy who was terrified of pirating powerpoint porn a few threads ago a heart attack.
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>>138850372
What's wrong anon? Don't you want to review your 6k while learning another 4k?

Ehh, don't do that. Mine harder instead.
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>>138850372
>needing to go over 6k ever
you probably shouldve started mining way earlier
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>見立てる
>見繕う
>見計らう
What interesting words.
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RARE
A
R
E

Grammar
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Is there a list of the kanji with the most irregular readings somewhere?
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>>138850835
That font is awful.
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>>138824542
Just remember this:
>regardless of the kanji, つぶやく's onyomi is ゲン
>if you are dealing with these kanjis, you should already know that you read 玄 as ゲン
>玄 is an element of 呟く, hence you should read it as つぶやく

>>138847353
You are imbecile.

>>138848175
Your statement isn't correct. だ can be a short for です, but not necessarily is.
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>>138850835
What, the たらん part? That's just 未然形+ん (ん is む phonetically changed). You see it in babby-tier games like Zelda all the time.

せんとする is a pretty common expression too.
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/せんとする
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>>138846550
アオイホノオ
>>




WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE
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>>138850835
While >>138851344 is completely right, and it's the 未然形 of たり+む,which changed to ん, たら・む itself is a quite classical shit, means であるだろう(であろう).
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>>138851592
出来ない
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Teach me how to order a cheeseburger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e-zAljAgqs
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There is a text I am reading where a character says something that is convenient for him but that sounds like bs (although it could be true, but it sounds like bs), and his text is followed by parenthetical (適当). Can that mean (*not-serious*), or does it mean something along the lines of (he said some convenient words)?
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>>138851916
post it
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>>138851277
私が愚か者なので(you)ゲットだぜ
ちょっと笑え、つまんない男よ

>>138851916
it could be. it could also not. who knows. chances are if you can find a reason for 適当 to be 適当 then its probably 適当
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「適当」は日本語の一番適当な単語だと思う
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>>138852123
Sure, I will laugh as you learn the proper usage of が and は.
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アメリカの風刺が多いだから、興味があることは意外。

Is this sentence correct? It's in reference to South Park.
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>>138851796
>であるだろう(であろう).
I would say it basically means になろう here
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>>138852123
>chances are if you can find a reason for 適当 to be 適当 then its probably 適当
wut?
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>>138851864
>There will never be anime girls at McDonalds
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>>138852494
what are you trying to say?
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>>138852707
Since there's lots of American satire (in the show), the fact that (you guys) are interested in it is surprising.
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>>138852570
No, the 「であろう」 is the correct one.
It's very similar to になろう in this context indeed, yet there is a nuance if you think about it.
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>>138852741
Ok, yea. I read it as you thinking it meant "probably", instead of indicating volition.
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>>138852493
it was referencing a earlier post the first time dude
the second, well, it was to ensure id write this reply i guess

>>138852582
適切なことを見つければ

>>138852738
i feel like youre asking for help with posting on 2ch and i dont condone this
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>素人童貞
Bloody hell.
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>>138852978
Never thought of it like a thing before I first encountered that word
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>>138852948
>i feel like youre asking for help with posting on 2ch and i dont condone this
It's /r/newsokur, they're friendly to gaijins.
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Ay yo
You guys got any resources for handwriting samples by natives?
Preferably not isolated characters but just normal writing, by people with average (or even kind of shitty) handwriting. I was trying to collect ones I found so that I could try to read them, and also look to them for some writing shortcuts and shit.
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>>138852738
It sounds a little strange to me at least, especially the 多い and 意外, but someone else could weigh in.

Something like アメリカについての風刺はたくさんのでお前ら興味があることは面白い maybe?

But if you're just shitposting somewhere it probably doesn't matter much.
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>>138852978
かつての童貞なんだけど

>>138853038
in that case youre fine with what you got
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>>138852852
Actually there is also no volition in the 「になろう」 in this case, because if you think this way, it's just the short of 「になるであろう」(just as であろう is just the short of であるだろう in this context), not the short of 「になりましょう」(but you obviously know this, didn't mean to offend you, just to make it clear to others). That's why the になろう(と・・・) is pretty close to であろう(と) in this case. The nuance is that with なる the emphasis on the "becoming", which is not included in the original grammar.
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>>138853165
>>138853209
Thanks, I'll edit my post and keep the suggestions in mind whenever I continue my shitposting streak over there.
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>>138853165
>Something like アメリカについての風刺はたくさんのでお前ら興味があることは面白い maybe?
As bad as the original desu, and "satire about america" is completely different than there being satire in American media.
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>>138853384
おh
ごめんなさい
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>>138853233
Are you saying it's 1 in http://kobun.weblio.jp/content/む and not 2? That seems a bit wierd. Are you a native speaker by the way?
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>>138853063
http://exhentai.org/s/c6c96e3e42/625631-1
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>>138853451
I think he's full of shit.
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>>138853673
Had he been speaking good English I would've dismissed him already
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>>138853451
>>138853673
Also, I wouldn't use the kobun dictionary for something like that. Even if it is more archaic than many grammar forms, it is used far too much to claim that the kobun dictionary is going to represent it accurately.

That said, I don't think になろう is quite the right nuance because たらん is more like "trying to be" than "Trying to become" which is what になろう gives across. They are constantly fighting to be the biggest power.
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>>138853547
my good man, arigatou for this one
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>>138853451
Yes, it's 推量. I cannot really imagine a situation, where たらむ is not 推量 but 意志. I'm not native (but working as an interpreter for years), and it was a long time ago when I had to study classical, but if you have a koten teacher, check with her/him, he will tell you the same.
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>>138853834
But considering と is there they're, the two countries, seem to be the ones thinking たらむ. Volition seems to fit very well. Also, just googling the phrase
>http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1326694698
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>>138853834
See >>138853743

It isn't kobun. む has as much to do with classical Japanese as "ye olde country shoppe" has to do with medieval English.

であろうと has the problem that in modern Japanese it is used for something completely different. It pretty much always is used to mean であっても

I don't think 推量 makes sense at all, in any of the many contexts I have seen that in, except maybe あらん限り
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Two gaijin walk into a Japanese aquarium.

The first one asks the aquarium employee: "イルカ、いるか?"
The second one asks the first: "did you just make that pun on porpoise?"
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>>138853834

Found this
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1326694698

So apparently they have no problem with であろうとする but the guy answering does agree that it's volitional. Open to other sources if you find them.
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>>138853916
i see romaji therefore they must not know what they are talking about. im calling bull shit!!!
知ったかぶりたらんとするそんなこと言っちゃった

honestly i would probably have to ask my dad about this because i dont have enough gray hair
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>>138854240
>知ったかぶりたらんとするそんなこと言っちゃった
That makes no sense, just so you know.
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>>138854240
Anon...
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>>138854086
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>>138854086
Those guys sound pretty funny. Were their names Joe and Don?
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>>138854313
oh can you teach me how to incorporate that thing into the things i sandwiched it into
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>>138854357
>forced grammar
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おはようおにい

ちゃん

おはよー
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>>138854932
こんばんわ
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>>138854932
死ぬ
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>物理
>物理学
>理学
>all physics
Which one is it damnit?
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>>138854932
おはよう
みんな死んだたぶん
俺の言ったことがみんなを殺したみたいです
ちょっと後悔しているところかも知れない

>>138855497
さあ
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>>138855497
All of them.
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>>138855580
>かも知れない
I took way too long to figure this one out, I really should go to sleep.
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>>138855497
Third one is physical sciences

I feel like the 2nd one is more formal where the first one is something you would use as an offhand reply to "what subjects do you take" or something

But why read my answer? I just looked it up and immediately found a clear answer to your question.
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>>138855497
I wonder if they make an extra distinction here that we don't have in English, sort of like the difference between 日本語 and 日本人, both are just "Japanese" in English.

Sciences are the "study of" something, but when you think about it they develop a body of knowledge which can just be used without necessarily being a part of the "study of" anything.

I'm just guessing wildly here, but if what I said above is right then that would make 物理 represent the body of knowledge. e.g you would use 物理 to solve a problem. While 物理学 is the actual field of physics as a whole including academia and research.

But again, that's just a guess.
The third one is easy though, it's just physical sciences in general (it even lists fields like chemistry and biology in parenthesis in rikaichan).
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>>138855803
また一匹ポスターが死んでしまったんだ
泣きそうになるかも
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>>138856174
kanji exist to tell you exactly what something is otherwise itd all be written in hiragana or whatever

just food for thought on this particular case and not synonyms in general
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>>138856174
>物理 represent the body of knowledge
No, that's the actual physics, gravity n' shit.
>>
>Xythar fell victim to the wanikani meme
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>>138856418
literally who?
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>>138856461
>crossboarders
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>>138856418
I don't care if you like to eat shit, just don't bring it up where I can see it.
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>>138838104
Hi kekkit.
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>>138856418
The fansubber guy? I thought fansubbers were supposed to know Japanese, why would he need WK?
>>
凸凹

凹凸
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>>138856680
He's not a translator if I recall correctly. Just does the other aspects. If he spends enough time on fansubbing and other stuff that he doesn't put enough time into Japanese to hit WK's pacing wall, then it's honestly probably fine for him, but it's going to take years to get past the beginner level if that's the case.
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What do I do after I finish core10k? Is there a 20k or something I can go on to?
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>>138856729
エロイ
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>>138856934
Look no further:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1199078757
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Is it a good idea to have a separate deck for Mined Vocab instead of just shoving them into the Core deck?
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>>138856934
Mine your own words from reading. With that Firefox+FI+ITHVNR setup most words are a 1-2 button creation for new cards with audio.
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>>138856729
へ へ
の の
 ひ
 へ
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>>138856964
Yeah, but make them both a subdeck of a single deck and rep them together.
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>>138856962
Thanks. Is this one ordered by anything? I don't think it really matter either way though

>>138856972
I haven't started reading yet though. I want to get a good vocabulary first
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>>138857047
>I haven't started reading yet though. I want to get a good vocabulary first
Huge mistake.
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>>138857047
I really hope you're just shitposting or something, but if you're not, what the hell are you doing anon? Reading is going to be hard no matter how much vocab you do. Anki should only be a supplement to your reading.
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Anyone have the link to the Kanji Damage Reordered deck?
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>>138857268
Or a new link to the dead KD Vocab deck, that would be real cool.
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https://youtu.be/wSRylVSfxyw?t=115

What does CIA say in response to 死ぬほどつらいいたみを味わう?

I can't make it out at all.
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>>138857007

_| ̄|○
(๑´ڡ`๑)
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>>138857357
意気地なし
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>>138857357
意気地なし*が*
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>>138857455
thanks
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>>138857441
apparently the star didn't show up
バカな!
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>>138857357
I still don't get why he says お前がだ
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>>138857501
Jap emotes are fun
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>>138857501
Damn, son.
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>>138857553
"no u"
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>>138857737
Isn't it supposed to be "4u"?
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>>138857786
CIA didn't call him a big guy
シーアイエー:「意気地なしが」
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>>138857832
So he called him a coward, for not taking off his mask? And Bane said "no u"?
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>>138857945
cia: youre a pussy
bane: youre the pussy
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分かった人は手をあげてください。

Can someone explain how this sentence works?

Translated it says: "Please raise your hand if you understand."
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>>138858173
Which part do you not understand?
>>
日本が・・・
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>>138858173
what dont you understand
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>>138857832
>CIA didn't call him a big guy
whoa
>>
Exactly how shitty is a job as a translator like? I think I have a standard 9am-5pm, 40 hour/week, 90k/year job lined up after next year but I would really be much more interested in doing something with Japanese.
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>>138858195
分かった人 people who know the answer/understand
手を上げて下さい raise your hand
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>>138858234
nice humble brag
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>>138858241

Is 「分かった人」 the typical way to directly modify a noun with a verb?
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>>138858234
depends on the jobs you want to take. if youre asking in djt chances are you cant do anywhere near as good as your 90k job so id resign myself to that and freelance on the side
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>>138858234
>working
I'm a multimillionaire myself and have never worked a day in my life thanks to family wealth.
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>>138858294
>ignores the posts trying to identify his weaknesses and replies to the guy who spoonfeeds him

Hi kekkit
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>>138858341
He's just asking for clarification, dude.
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>>138858294
theres like stuff in the op that covers this thing i think (i dont actually know i never read it)

also 分かった人 works the same way as saying "the people who get it" in english
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>>138858294
With a lifetime subscription to WaniKani, you will know the answer to every question.
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>>138858234
Interpretators that can translate on the fly get to work in big business and politics and get paid out the ass, but you need godlike skill for that.
Regular shitter translators don't get paid much.
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>>138858616
The main reason I think I would be okay with the switch is because I don't think I really need a lot of money to live happily.

Any clue on what regular shitter translators make?
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Guys, is the text at the bottom 烏野高校男子バレー部OB会?
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>>138858666
No.
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>>138858663
Why dont you check out job listings where you live
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>>138858663

>clue

少ない
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>>138858685
Bully.
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>上げる
to raise, improve

>あげる
give


なんじゃこれはぁぁぁぁJAPANESEPEOPLE?!
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>>138858663
trust me, you want to just resign to making 90k a the year and doing your tl work on the side

if it turns out youre a cut above the bottom of the barrel, the likes of those "professionally" translating vns, youll figure this out working at it on the side and can reevaluate later

the alternative is you put all your eggs in the translating basket, get tired of it and wish you were dead and be making less money than if you just worked a better paying job

>>138858666
good job dude you did it
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>>138858789
No, I got spoonfed actually. But I can't find a font that has the crow kanji.
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>>138858789
Yeah this seems like the smarter plan. Guess there's no real escaping becoming another drone for the immediate future.
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I thought I'd help myself and possibly you guys too with remembering the kanji for foot/leg.
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>>138858666
>烏野高校男子バレーボール部OB会
はい、これ
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>>138858984
Tofugo should hire you
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>>138858984
If only all kanji was so visually telling.
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>>138859004
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>>138859652
Great mnemonic! Where can I donate?
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>>138859958
Just get a lifetime WaniKani sub, friend.
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Screw you guys. When reading sex scenes in eroge that have multiple ejaculations, I like to take a break in the middle to come to DJT and read through the posts to give my dick time to recover so I can properly enjoy the sex scene as intended, but today there isn't enough shitposts here to fulfill this purpose. Now I have to type this myself to fill in the time.
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>>138860010
>touching your dick while reading VNs
>ever
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おなかだして寝たらかぜひくよ

ちゃんとおふとんかけて

ねないとだめだよ

おにいちゃん
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>>138860037
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>>138860010
Man I don't get how you guys can masturbate so much. After I do it once I'm usually just not in the mood for several hours. Makes nukige hell in moege a bit annoying, but I can just skip them so it's not a big deal.

I need to start looking for moege/charage that have low sexual content. The main downside to having so many H scenes seems to be that all the CG work goes into those so the routes only have maybe a few CGs that aren't H CGs.
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>>138860224
Instead, why not try finding a nukige which fits your deepest, darkest fetishes and desires perfectly? The problem might just be you're not particularly into vanilla sex with girls of that type/age. It's my belief that most males are lolicons, who desire more than anything sex with little girls, but the majority of them suppress their urges thanks to societal conditioning and oppression. If you embrace your desires it'll be more pleasurable than you can possibly imagine.
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>建設省
>省く
>反省

What the fuck is this kanji about
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>>138860429
Nah I'm just that way in general, even with something that strikes perfectly in terms of fetishes.
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>>138860429
Any particular loli nukige you would recommend?
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