why did they think this would be a good way to start a tournament?
Holy shit, anyone that defends this has to be among the biggest faggots in the world
>It's the spics that hate Super. Said the hardcore Superfag.
>It's the spica that defend Super. Said memeposter.
/a/ is more bipolar than a girl on her period. But I agree that Super is bad when it comes to the action. I can't believe Toei's original movies are more interesting and well done.
fucking hell.. what is this shit? This passes for animation? Fans have produced more tolerable garbage then this
hey man once you get put through this shit, you have to be some kind of godlike being to come out on top
>one of the most popular anime ever made
>reduced to this
Why didn't they hire some sakuga wizards to work on these fights.
Even fan films have better animation than this show.
Why have that when you can add shitty food jokes and slice of life shit? This show is made for the pleb jap audience not the people who grew up watching it on toonami
I've been shoveling the shit as best I can but this is really wearing me out. It's just inexplicably bad.
It's not that the animation itself is shit due to the budget, it's the fact that they can't even pose the characters in dynamic and powerful ways to convey some drama and action.
Even on a storyboard level this show is complete shit.
Compare that to the poses in this scene.
>People actually thought it would be well animated.
Would the show look better in cells instead of digital animation?
Fuck, does anybody else remember Pivot stick figure animator? I made better shit on there than this.
You know what??? You fucking know what???
Now that I think about it, wouldn't Toei just be better off doing a fucking sprite animation instead of Dragonball Super? Like, I mean just make Dragonball Super a Super Mario Bros Z(Link related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-ErbSrTOc ) on steroids? Sprite animations are easier to work with, at least they wouldn't have to waste time with other perspectives and such with drawing.
>yfw they cut literal corners of of the cells to reduce draw time
It doesn't even matter if the drawings are good or not. The movement and choreography are utter shit. What the fuck happen to that guy that did the fighting choreography for Fukkatsu no F? Didn't Toei learn anything?
I can't say I'm salty because my impression of DBS has been rock bottom pretty much from the start, but it's pretty fucking boring.
Like the new race of special Saiyans whose defining characteristic is... lack of tails. Fucking bravo.
Unlike DBZ, which never has QUALITY, amirite?
39 unique frames (not counting scarf animation in that shaky still) on 14 seconds sequence (2.8 unique frames per second)
if there's any movement, it comes from CGI and post production effects (waves on the winnie the pooh body, background when goku swings for the punch, floating island at the start of sequence, camera shaking while goku attacks)
unacceptable in a fighting sequence
>GT had decent animation
>but also Dragon Ball AF tier plot
>Super has terrible animation
>but the plot in general terms is a lot more bearable
Also DBZ had way more episodes than DBS, and it looked much better. GT had more or less the same, and looked much better.
Frieza falls in love with Goku.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Saiyan's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when Frieza recounts the previous day's confessions to Goku, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the Saiyan he called is not the same Saiyan he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is Kakarrot's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with Frieza's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase after reach other, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of GAY.
>You know that the animation on up close scenes is drastically different from Z to Super.
A swing and a miss.
>Is that supposed to be an example of QUALITY?
>he thinks this is actually a quality drawing
Strike two. One more.
Did you completely miss the rest of the post or what? Also as >>138775662 said, we're comparing them, and that QUALITY is absolutely nothing compared to the QUALITY in DBS, which looks worse than that AND on characters right in front of the camera.
>Is that supposed to look bad?
How can we take your claims of quality seriously when you think that's top-tier quality?
>that QUALITY is absolutely nothing compared to the QUALITY in DBS
So what you're saying is that you've never watched or rewatched Dragon Ball Z?
>AND on characters right in front of the camera.
Are you high? Have you literally never seen DBZ before?
I think that's on-model because Goku consistently has bad shoulders.
All this looks 10 times better than DBS, so I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point but you're too stupid to realize you're making the opposite one.
Anyone want to start posting DBS quality or should I do it?
ITT: People who've never watched DBZ complain about QUALITY in DBS that's also present in DBZ.
>that fucking effect
Super is the gift that keeps on giving
>All this looks 10 times better than DBS
>That scene was great. Still looks better than anything in DBS.
Those nostalgia goggles tho.
I bet you think your ribs work that way.
The amazing Super Caveman 3
DBS definitely has a lot of QUALITY, some really bad stuff too. But DBZ had just as bad QUALITY at times and it's almost disgusting you'd defend it like this. It's just another reason for you to shit on Super and complain how its not as good as muh DBZ
>That scene was great.
How can anyone take you seriously and not call you out as a Toonamibaby when you claim that that scene is great?
Compare with pic related. One is ten times worse, which one is it?
Seems to me you've never watched Super either.
>Superfags keep posting DBZ stuff trying to show it was just as bad but they are just making it easier to compare and see how much worse Super is
>it was great because muh childhood
Stick a fork in him, he's done.
>How is that bad?
You actually think that lazy jerky movement is good? Way to go discrediting yourself.
>Superfags keep defending the animation even though they straight up admitted they have newbie animators working on it
>complains about people using DBZ screen shots from far away
>uses far away screen shots in DBS to make his point
Pointing out your ignorance and you saying jerky animation is good isn't ad hominem. Look that term up first before using it.
>Is that seriously your only defense for DBS?
It's no better than DBZ so unless you only started watching DBS, you don't really have an argument.
>How is that bad?
It's as bad, if not worse, than the thing you're complaining about in DBS.
There's more to the animation that makes it better than DBS. It's the shading and movement. In DBS, everything doesn't even move. Beerus just phases in and out on the screen while staying in the same pose. When you get characters doing something different than standing still, it looks completely fake because the artists can't into motion.
And you were using ad hominem, which is an attempt to gain footing by attacking the presenter of a point over the point itself.
>Holy shit! they should fire the amature artists and hire people that know how to draw and make cool fights..
They should hire you to make the deadline. It's up to Toei's standards in hiring animators anyway.
Still have no fucking idea why Toei is letting amateurs animate this?
>It's the shading and movement. In DBS, everything doesn't even move.
>If I've watched both I cannot complain about a show that's been made in 2016
I sure hope you're not using the PRESENT YEAR defense.
Except Super isn't CG, you retard.
Get fucked m8
Move that goalpost some more.
> comparing a show that finished airing 20 years ago to a show airing today
I won't pretend that dbz didn't have plenty of quality animation, but super is much worse and there's really no excuse for it.
I don't understand how some can put Super on the same level as Z. Toei manages to miss every detail that makes the characters look like how they should and then add QUALITY on top of that.
Even the first shot here is very average, not only in interms of quality, but also design. Compared to pic related it just falls short and looks childish
Why did they give all the budget to caveman?
My main problem with Super is most of the fights feel weak.
In DBZ even when you had QUALITY you had dynamic angles and attacks that looked powerful and impactful.
In Super it feels like the characters aren't putting enough effort into their attacks.
And I feel like the sound effects were better in Z, but I can't remember how things sound in Super at the moment.
>In DBZ even when you had QUALITY you had dynamic angles and attacks that looked powerful and impactful.
And fights take years to complete. DBS simply has a faster pace.
>And I feel like the sound effects were better in Z
More nostalgiafaggotry bullshit.
>I won't pretend that dbz didn't have plenty of quality animation
That's exactly what OP is doing though.
>I think this one is the only one and it's mostly effects
You are literally talking out of your ass.
If you're basing your opinion on cherrypicked scenes, it's no worse than DBZ.
Also, it has higher sales than many seasonal anime, and it doesn't even mainly get its profit from BDs.
Did you even read the previous post? He said "plenty in this thread" I only quoted plenty, cause that's the key word he got wrong. And then you post a webm which exactly proves my point. If anything, Super has mostly special effects for destruction and some occassional punches like in OP.
Let's see how far the goalpost will move, kids!
>DBStards will defend this
Both of these shots are only two seconds long max. As I said, barely any movements. If we go by any standards, that's what animators do in their first year of animation.
If it helps you, I'm another guy altogether.
>If anything, Super has mostly special effects for destruction and some occasional punches like in OP.
By that logic, that's literally Dragon Ball Z though.
Do you even have a point?
>Both of these shots are only two seconds long max.
As opposed to DBZ?
Beerus barely moving is the point of that fight, though. He's supposed to not exert effort. Are you retarded?
If it always looked like shit 20 years ago, why would you expect it to not look like shit 20 years later?
Inb4 present year.
>nostalgiafags defend jerky movements
>criticize DBS for having the same jerky movements
Yes, see >>138776176 I didn't even defend Z's animation in any of these posts, cause it's been ages since I've watched it. Nonethess, Super only comes to the same level as far as animations go, but with less details.
Thanks for looking up what I meant.
>Why is Toei unable to improve their animation quality
Because they're still making billions of yen/dollars doing the exact same thing.
Don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg and whatnot.
>Thanks for looking up what I meant.
So your point is that DBZ and DBS is the exact same thing and you're complaining about something that's present in DB in general?
Thanks for clarifying.
And what does that have to do with their animation looking like complete shit when they're capable of much better? Why do they have no standards for quality? Why are you shilling this hard for them?
It´s not shilling, it´s just how things are.
Truth is they probably are capable of making better animated and better looking anime, they just choose not to since that would earn them less money.
>Truth is they probably are capable of making better animated and better looking anime
They have yet to do so outside from some movies/OVAs
>they just choose not to since that would earn them less money
They're already paying their employees wages that should be illegal, I don't see how spending a little more to make it not look like complete shit is going to make a dent in their profit, especially since like you said, they're still making millions and could probably make even more with some decent animation.
DB had nice animation, it really tried to pull "martial arts" when characters fought each other, DBZ was just wonky punches and kicks all the time, sometimes energy blasts exchange, DBS pulls literally the same shit, however animation of some scenes
Goku SSJ3 vs beerus, Goku vs Winnie the Poohwas indeed abysmal. People actually expect weekly long running series(probably it will be around 150-200 episdoes) to run with movie quality which will never happen, especially when Toei animates it.
>it's okay when Dragon Ball does it
The fuck you on about mate? Just becuase Beerus isn't moving doesn't mean you can just fuck the animation.
Apparently It needs to be said but when I say
>It gets worse when Berus enters
I mean the animation in general, Not just him.
But the new resurrection of F movie sucked.
I waited for the Dub because I knew it wouldn't take too long and freeza was going to show up in super anyway.
Now that I've seen super version and dubbed version of the movie, I think I prefer the super's version of it, I didn't have to endure as much of that CGI.
Also dub's Freeza and Krillin didn't sound like their original voices at all, but I can kinda understand it, since it has been quite long since dbz. (I still would've preferred new VAs doing the old voices, if they would've been more accurate.)
I'm going to watch that return of cooler movie again, I loved the animation of it.
If they'd do it now, they'd skip drawing all those Meta Coolers and go straight to CGI.
>The fuck you on about mate? Just becuase Beerus isn't moving doesn't mean you can just fuck the animation.
Your argument is as retarded as saying this is a QUALITY image from Dragon Ball Z without context of what it is.
That's from Super, tho.
It's okay when Dragon Ball does it because otherwise you wouldn't be a fan of DB.
The problem happens when you condemn DBS for doing the exact same shit DBZ is doing and you're not even aware of it because of nostalgiafaggotry.
It's DB. Of course it sells.
I watch it for muh nostalgia.
It hurts. I think I'm starting to like the original japanese voices. When I started watching Super, I thought that all the voices sounded too "whiney" or high pitched, I don't know, I like them now.
>It's DB. Of course it sells.
And that's the reason why Toei is doing what it's doing.
>I watch it for muh nostalgia.
I suggest not rewatching it then unless of course your nostalgia goggles are stuck right into your skull, in which case you'd have an excuse for every last flaw it has while being blind to the fact that DBS is the exact same shit.
Nah, I'm going to watch it in Japanese, just to hear what cooler sounds like.
And I don't have any excuses for the shit quality in dbz, I just don't remember it, since it's been a long time since I've seen it completely (only thing I've seen recently is the original freeza vs goku fight)
DBZ might just be one of those damn shows that has fans that don't want to face the truth that the animation sucked, or they just have very low standards when they watch old stuff for some reason.
But in this day and age, shit animation gets called out quickly. I don't know which one is it, the fact that they're trying to make 100 episodes or the fact that they just don't want to spend too much money to make it look better.
Now I'm just talking shit out of my ass, because I'm bored.
Well the problem comes from you comparing a modern anime from one that ended 20 years ago. The standards are higher now. And yes, the consistently subpar animation was always a massive problem with DBZ, but rather than try and improve on it like they should have they STILL continue to shit out QUALITY that looks worse than a newgrounds flash from the 90s/early 2000s. Yet you're saying "it's okay because it's DB" when you and everyone else would rip into literally any other anime for doing the same thing.
>went meet the wife for lunch at her office
>chatting with one of her coworkers while I wait
>he mentions binge watching DBZ over the weekend
>we talk about battle of gods a little bit
>he goes on to say how excited he is about seeing super
>tell him it's not worth it
>he looks confused
>explain current state of affairs in the show to him
>"Well would you say it's at least better than GT?"
That poor guy looked like all his childhood dreams got completely shit on.
>He's using the PRESENT YEAR defense because in 2016 we have better technology that allows for better animation
>expecting Toei to make better animation when shitty animation from 20 years ago is still making them billions of dollars
>exerting unnecessary effort when they never did that even when DB was airing
Actually, the standards are still the same if you compare One Piece to DBS rather than Seasonal Anime that depends on BD sales versus a long-running anime that depends on merchandising and manga sales.
Stole this from Hokuto no Ken to be quite honest with you family
So this is what happened after Pooh managed to survive Christopher's monster pitch.
>the animation will get good once the non movie stuff starts
But the pic on the left looks gorgeous.
All you`ve proved is that Z had QUALITY at some parts but not all the time. Super has QUALITY every episode. Also Cell in the right is really small and zoomed in, Super characters look like that even when they`re the focus of a scene.
Are you retarded or do you not get that the pic on the right is actually from the same show?
>All you`ve proved is that Z had QUALITY at some parts but not all the time. Super has QUALITY every episode.
Dragon Ball Z literally has QUALITY in every episode. You obviously haven't watched the anime recently.
>That`s my point. It looks great.
DBZ/DBS looks great when the animators bother to make it look great.
It's literally the same shit.
>Super never looked great like that.
Keep moving goalposts.
So you have no comments on those two scenes, huh?
I accept your concession.
>all people saying Z looks like shit posting only stills of background characters or zooms
>people actually arguing about fucking stills instead of actual animation
>all people saying Z looks like shit posting only stills of background characters or zooms
These aren't stills: >>138775740
These aren't far away shots: >>138775631
Stop embarrassing yourself.
>one fucking gif showing a few frames of animation
>rest are inbetween shots or just your standard anatomical mistake that almost all anime have once or twice in their lifespan
How about two?
How about a whole episode of non-stop quality? Look at the very first episode of DBZ.\
Also, keep moving that goalpost, I'm enjoying this immensely.
Does anyone has some SSG Goku vs Beerus webms of DBS? Especially ep 13. That shit looked good.
>Those were not the ones you linked to man
The first link is literally the Freeza slap.
If you had common sense, you'd figure out the other one is also the other GIF in this thread.
You obviously don't have common sense.
>"These aren't stills"
>links to a gif and a still
>"No man check them out"
>links to the same gif and the same still
>"The first one is not a still you retard!"
Are you so stupid you can't double check what you're posting?
>he doesn't reply to all the people who called him out
>he doesn't address the fact that people actually posted two GIFs covering animation
>he'll keep focusing on semantics rather than admit DBZ has shitty animation
wow Oney actually made a new video?
even if they make the animation good, dragon ball still has a lot plotholes and shitty storyline. i used to think dragonball is the best anime ever until i tried watching other anime made me realize im wasting my life watching this dbs shit
I think he's mentioning this guy
Who posted "these aren't stills", while referring to one which was a GIF (Freeza slapping Goku), while the other was very clearly a still (Jar Jar Binks getting kicked by Vegakakageta)
You see, the problem here is that you accidentally referred to a gif and a still as two gifs. It's not a big deal since your point is cealr, but it makes you look kinda silly. You rushed the post in your rage probably.
This guy is right.
This guy is also right, but not really getting the context. The problem is that anon formatted his post wrong.
There is in fact another GIF in the thread, but in terms of the way anon worded his post, it was incorrect. Not the right context.
See above two.
tl;dr you kids are nerds but you're fun to watch. Play nice now
Fucking Brainless faggots. Let me clear this up for you.
DBZ had MOMENTS of Shit animation but stepped it up for important fights with good direction and animation.
DBS has Litterly NO moments when they have put more effort into the show and sustain this shit animation and Quality no matter what is happening on screen.
STOP posting Fucking movie's as evidence
STOP posting Fucking still's as evidence
DO drop the series if you don't like it and only want to bitch about it.
Wait, Freeza was watching Goku's fight with Majin Buu?
So why was Freeza surprised that Goku had beaten Majin Buu in Super?
And when did Freeza end up in that cocoon with the fairy's and whatever?
And why did Freeza suddenly have cyborg body parts in the afterlife in Super when he doesn't have them here?
>Toriyama: "It's Dragon Ball; I aint gotta explain shit."
I guess so that episode aired like 3 weeks ago, I don't know why people are getting so upset about it now.
It wouldn't surprise me that the people who bitch about dragon ball super don't even watch the show.
Super is nothing but good jokes, ruined the god characters for me
>kabito Kai uses namek balls to unfuse
>z fighters use namek balls to resurrect
Sooo is new namek a wish McDonald's or something?
Hell in the Superverse is different from anime/GT. In anime/GT, Frieza and Cell level grinded until they were each confident they could defeat Buu Saga Goku, not knowing Goku level grinded more. In Super, Frieza wound up in the other hell, for some reason still as Mecha Frieza, and thus doesn't know shit about the current universe.
something that bugged me off is how they keep the gi orange even when going super saiyan, when Goku becomes SSJ, the gi becomes more yellow-ish, doesn't stay the same. also since when it was orange? I liked red
>you will never put your hands on Champa's soft warm pecs
In dbz, while it had plenty of bad frames, it was still consistent enough not to kill the immersion, most of these that are posted probably weren't even noticed until after the fact, and you could do that with just about any anime. Yet in super, you notice the bad frames right away, and it kills the immersion. The animation more often than not hovers just below acceptable, and has very weak/short peaks in quality.
Even current Manglobe could do a better job animating this shit and they are dead as all fuck. Stop leveling all industry by the worst looking show in decades, you inbreed piece of shit.
I feel the same way, but its objectively horrible if you aren't wearing nostalgia goggles or are already a fanboy. Of course vegeta beating the crap out of frieza would be cool to a fanboy, but for anyone new to the series, the scene really isn't anything special. DBS heavily relies on callbacks and nostalgia, the new stuff they're presenting isn't even super interesting.
>Look! Another frieza!
>Look! Another saiyan!
>I think he's mentioning this guy
>Who posted "these aren't stills", while referring to one which was a GIF (Freeza slapping Goku), while the other was very clearly a still (Jar Jar Binks getting kicked by Vegakakageta)
You did exactly as he predicted. You're stuck on semantics.
Good job sabotaging your point.
ITT: spics defend the hell out of a whore of a franchise that toei can't even be bothered to spend 20 minutes per frame on, get offended when intelligent people tell them that they are stupid and have bad taste.
I'm not really getting assblasted, I'm merely pointing out that you're an entitled bitch-ass telling Toei to actually alter the formula that made them money all these years, which is illogical and retarded.
>I-I'm not mad, really guys
And I'm still not seeing anything wrong with a company that makes millions being able to up their animation quality when other companies can do it despite making less.
>you're an entitled bitch-ass telling Toei to actually alter the formula that made them money all these years
Embarrassingly bad QUALITY animation was the biggest reason DBZ did so well?
Not really, especially since you're the one who's getting mad when people point out that DBZ has always sucked.
Nah even the spics hate it, the ones defending it are worse, way worse.
You know the hipsters trying to be unique who can't shut up about how much better DB is compared to DBZ, how much more mature and intelligent they are for liking the less "edgy" DB, etc etc ad nauseam? It's those people.
You know that one faggot kid in your youth who kept pushing to go see a specific movie which turned out to be shit, yet he forced himself to laugh at every joke in it and act like he was having a blast to show he wasn't wrong? How he massively exaggerated everything saying it was the best movie he's ever seen? That's them, like when they say the out of character retarded cooking thing with Vegeta was the best moment since DB or some retarded shit they themselves don't believe.
>Embarrassingly bad QUALITY animation was the biggest reason DBZ did so well?
See? He can learn!
ITT: Toonamibaby can't handle the truth.
Except the ones that are being assblasted here are the DBfags that can't accept the fact that DBS is pulling the same shit DBZ is pulling.
Nah I've already accepted that long ago when I took off the nostalgia goggles. But you are definitely mad given how you're so desperately trying to change the subject and are defending Dragon Ball sucking today, when we have better technology for animation than we did back in the early 90s.
>Embarrassingly bad QUALITY animation was the biggest reason DBZ did so well?
>acknowledges that I'm right and DBS is doing what DBZ is doing
>I'm somehow changing the subject
That is the subject, mong.
And kids today aren't noticing how much DBZ sucked back in the day.
It always sucked.
There is no room for improvement. You're crucifying DBS for doing the same thing DBZ is doing, which is Millennial entitlement in action.
>inb4 current year
>it's okay for Toei to be lazy but not anyone else
Of course Toei is going to do the same thing. Why change the formula that made you billions of yen?
>when it's DBZ it's "cherrypicking"
>when it's DBS it's "noticeable"
Do me a favor. Watch a random episode of DBZ sometime.
>DBZ had QUALITY 20 years ago when DB was 1/20th as big as it is now
Yes, and? The point here is that DBS is in 2016, the franchise is now titanic, and the QUALITY in DBS is way worse than in DBZ.
What's more, in DB the choreography of the fights was mostly good anyway, so even if some frames looked ass, it was still interesting/entertaining ass. What does DBS have? Because as far as I see it, Goku vs Vegeta in the Saiyan arc had more interesting fight scenes than the entirety of Super so far put together. It could have been drawn as stick figures and it would still be better, the choreography is there. Can't say the same about Super.
The days of innocence, when we endured 22 minutes of talking and reaction faces for 30 seconds of FUCK YES
>the QUALITY in DBS is way worse than in DBZ.
This whole thread is full of examples that show that's not the case.
That still isn't anywhere near as bad as >>138754343 or >>138754425
Yet here you are arguing that them upping the animation quality is "changing the formula that made them money all these years"
You're being willfully ignorant and intentionally misunderstanding what he's said.
Toei doesn't need to sakuga everything in DBS/DBZ, it will still make money. Why would Toei listen to people who aren't part of the demographic they're catering anyway?
If you're over 10 and you still like DB, you're the equivalent of bronies.
That is a badly bit starved gif you fucking faggot stop grasping at straws. Look up the Youtube and you'll see it looks way better than what you posted.
>Yet here you are arguing that them upping the animation quality is "changing the formula that made them money all these years"
Why would they up the animation for a TV series when they never did such a thing for DBZ?
Why would Toei up the animation when they don't need to?
Because then we wouldn't have to make fun of it and then you wouldn't have to run around performing mental gymnastics about why it's okay for a company that makes millions to not improve their shit animation quality.
Also they could probably bring in even more fans, remember that DBS is nowhere near as popular as DBZ was in its prime.