what were they thinking?

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Just buy the BDs goy.

>>138754343
Why does it exist?

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why did they think this would be a good way to start a tournament?

>>138754343
They introduced a Saitama counter to the DB franchise as damage control for OPM besting DBS in all the powerlevel threads.

Why is he punching Winnie the Pooh?

>>138754425
they don't even have shadows

srsly how low is their budget?

They're saving the budget for the next arc :')

>>138754343
>Thinking
Eh

>>138754788
Took the words right out of my mouth

>>138756692
>arc
That's not how you write precure.

Reminds me of South Park

>>138756644
Nigga, they're in space anyway. Suspend your disbelief just a little bit.

>>138754343
And you fucks thought GT couldn't be topped.

>>138754343
why are all the punches done in slow mo?
fucking 3dshit

>>138756644
>>138757054
blind fucks, they have shadow but has opasity of 10%.

>>138754343
>that fucking ripple effect

Just fucking kill me

>>138754343
Mt fucking sides. It has reached a point where I can't even find a single good looking frame. It's like everything is an inbetween.

>>138754343
Why is this allowed?

>>138756863
Haven't watched in years, but South Park has had better animation for a long time.

>>138754343
>that POV punch at 8 seconds
holy fuck

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>>138754425

>>138754343
Top kek and superfags defend this shit

Is this a good comedy? It looks pretty funny.

>>138758961
This joke doesn't work for a franchise that's been about half comedy since its inception.

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;_;

>>138754379
>Toei

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>>138754343
>>138754425
Holy shit, anyone that defends this has to be among the biggest faggots in the world

I was hyped for dragon ball super, but I dropped this shit at episode 5, it's one of the fucking worst series airing at the moment.

>>138754343
doubt they even were thinking
they just said fuck it

>>138754379
>why sebastian, why?

>>138754343
I'm glad I dropped this shit. It's embarrasing.

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WHERE ARE THE SPICS DEFENDING THIS SHOW NOW?

>>138754343
That fight in the manga was more similar to ssj3 goku vs fat buu.
They chose the laziest way possible to animate that part.

>>138764379
>It's the spics that hate Super. Said the hardcore Superfag.
>It's the spica that defend Super. Said memeposter.
/a/ is more bipolar than a girl on her period. But I agree that Super is bad when it comes to the action. I can't believe Toei's original movies are more interesting and well done.

>>138760861
What are you talking about, don't you love Goku's brand new attack, generic straight punches? It's almost as good as generic straight ki blasts!

>>138765456
hmm.. sounds like a OPM attack.

>>138754343
>>138754425

Watching that made me feel numb.

>>138754343
AHAHAHA that punch impact at 0:04 is just someone shaking the screen.

Help. I can hardly breathe.

>>138765811

Toei: The art of pinching pennies

>>138754343
And hen Winnie whips out his giant dragon penis, right? Because with that amount of quality it has to be something made on gelbooru.

>>138756692
>they're saving the budget
Fixed.

>>138754343
T-the budget was saved for universe 6 tournament. I promise!

I've seen hentai with better animation than this

Holy fuck how does Toei get away with this
This looks like literal Chinese cartoons

>>138754343
"I want more money." -Akira Toriyama

>>138754343
Okay, I concede. GT was the better shit sandwich.

>>138766113
>I've seen hentai with better animation than this

Damn.. and you aren't even exaggerating too..
This is honestly sad.

>animufags
who still watches this shit?

read the fucking manga, its actually pretty good

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>>138754343

>>138766294
DB stopped being good after the King Piccolo arc.
Everything after that is shit. Super Saiyans should have never been a thing.

>>138754343
Is that Winney the Pooh?

>>138754425
Its not the material itself that's bad, as the manga shows its still kind of fun.

Its just poorly adapting it

Manga actually understands fighting choreography though.

>>138766376
>being this hipster

>>138766119
Toriyama dislikes the anime and has thanked anyone for putting up with the garbage

>>138766275
>>138766113

Queenbee can slide drawings with movie maker way better than this shit

>>138754343

What did Christopher Robin do to poor old Pooh?

>>138766479
Can you really say powerlevel bullshit is better than the sense of adventure and fantasy classic old dragon ball had?

>>138766496
Too bad the manga is monthly and promotion material for the anime. Thanks Toriyama.

This is exactly what faggots who still watch dragonball deserve. If you honestly haven't grown out of shit like this by now then there is no hope for you

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fucking hell.. what is this shit? This passes for animation? Fans have produced more tolerable garbage then this

>>138766699
>>>/tumblr/

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>>138766549
hey man once you get put through this shit, you have to be some kind of godlike being to come out on top

>>138766344
This can't be real.

>>138766699
Try finding a show that'll ultimately have >300 episodes with consistent, quality animation
>PROTIP: they don't exist

>>138764379
They're busy with the latest lynch riots in brazillistan.

Super just gets worse and worse.

GT Kai when?

>>138767979
they still need to Kai the buu saga

>>138764379

Im spic and i dropped this at episode 5. Jesus christ that animation. I have seen fights in Saint Seiya with better animation. The movies were ok thought

>>138767857
find literally any show other than musashi gundoh that consistently looks this fucking bad

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>Dragonball aired 30 years ago

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>one of the most popular anime ever made
>reduced to this

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Why didn't they hire some sakuga wizards to work on these fights.

Even fan films have better animation than this show.

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>yfw you held off suicide for this show

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>>138768275
Why have that when you can add shitty food jokes and slice of life shit? This show is made for the pleb jap audience not the people who grew up watching it on toonami

>>138768384
you know I would not even mind a more chill out db but this is just fucking horrendous

>>138754343
Winnie the pooh been making some serious gains lol

>literally every other dragon ball related anime was better than this trash

lol

LOL

>>138767592
Oh, it's real. And it's from the movie, not the TV version.

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I've been shoveling the shit as best I can but this is really wearing me out. It's just inexplicably bad.

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It's not that the animation itself is shit due to the budget, it's the fact that they can't even pose the characters in dynamic and powerful ways to convey some drama and action.
Even on a storyboard level this show is complete shit.

Compare that to the poses in this scene.

>>138754343
Damn Toei. Can you guys even PRETEND that you give half of a shit? Did you hire 14 year old Deviantartists to make this?

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>People actually thought it would be well animated.

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Would the show look better in cells instead of digital animation?

>>138768941
Maybe.

>>138768941
Probably, because they'd be forced to give more of a shit because they couldn't cut so many corners.

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>>138754343
>>138754425
Fuck, does anybody else remember Pivot stick figure animator? I made better shit on there than this.

>>138769148
I made better fucking SPRITE animations than this.

>>138769206
You know what??? You fucking know what???

Now that I think about it, wouldn't Toei just be better off doing a fucking sprite animation instead of Dragonball Super? Like, I mean just make Dragonball Super a Super Mario Bros Z(Link related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-ErbSrTOc ) on steroids? Sprite animations are easier to work with, at least they wouldn't have to waste time with other perspectives and such with drawing.

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>>138769133
>yfw they cut literal corners of of the cells to reduce draw time

>>138769148
>Pivot stick figure animator

I didn't ask for these feels.

>>138758737
I haven't actually seen a version of this without Trump before.

>>138768112

CG for anime would offset the budget for even better production value, and be even more efficient, they said. It's the future.

They knew fags would eat it up no matter what as long as Toriyama signed his name on it.

And they were pretty right.

Go ahead you short brown turd spics. Defend this now.

>>138758737
Best part of the episode desu.

>>138769724
Post trump version.

>>138769890

Is it really doing well?

Holy fucking shit this show.

>>138754343
DbS has the worst drawn fights evere in the DB universe... Holy shit! they should fire the amature artists and hire people that know how to draw and make cool fights..

>>138770080
High ratings and dragon ball merchandise has been selling more since it started airing.

It doesn't even matter if the drawings are good or not. The movement and choreography are utter shit. What the fuck happen to that guy that did the fighting choreography for Fukkatsu no F? Didn't Toei learn anything?

>>138754343
holy shit

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>>138769995
There you go

>>138771468
Amazing.

>>138760861
And you will find them only on /a/, where they will reply with "GO BACK TO /v/ AND /pol/!!11" as they defend animations worse than Nurutu.

>>138766344
At this point it's a straight-up flash animation.

This is the death of Dragon Ball. We should've killed Toriyama when we had the chance.

>>138766376
Saiyan Saga and Frieza Saga were good.

>>138766119
>-Toei
Fixed

Reminder: Universe 6 is the "Good" universe.

Memes aside, I'm not the only one who's salty that Frost wasn't a legit good guy version of Freeza, right?

>>138771840
I can't say I'm salty because my impression of DBS has been rock bottom pretty much from the start, but it's pretty fucking boring.

Like the new race of special Saiyans whose defining characteristic is... lack of tails. Fucking bravo.

>>138771885
What special saiyan race. That's just how all saiyans are in that universe

>>138771935
Exactly. It's boring. They say that like it's a new thing, when Toriyama hasn't drawn tailed saiyans since before the fucking frieza saga.

>>138771468
Him wearing glasses while jellyfishing gets me every time.

>>138771840
You're not the only one...
.
..
...

;_;

>>138754425
>Just wait guys! They're saving the budget for the tournament arc!

Why do people still care about this show? It's a shit anime. Let's move on.

It's fun to watch

>>138772266
Which part?

>>138772138
When you're cashing in on nostalgia and stupidity there is no budget, only QUALITY.

>>138772690
The tournament, I laugh more than I get mad.

>>138767014
Has anyone ever beaten this without upgrades yet?

>>138772801
Oh I'm laughing too.

>>138761107
this

>>138754343
budget to the koreans

After all it was a good idea to drop this show. I dropped after 3rd episode. I don't regret one bit.

>>138768030
????????
are you living under a rock?
kai was finished before super

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>>138756644
Unlike DBZ, which never has QUALITY, amirite?

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>>138759912
>comparing a movie to a TV show

>>138754343
>>138754425
I want GT back.

>>138754343
39 unique frames (not counting scarf animation in that shaky still) on 14 seconds sequence (2.8 unique frames per second)
if there's any movement, it comes from CGI and post production effects (waves on the winnie the pooh body, background when goku swings for the punch, floating island at the start of sequence, camera shaking while goku attacks)
unacceptable in a fighting sequence

>>138768349
Nothing to stop you now!

>>138775329
Quit fucking shilling. You know that the animation on up close scenes is drastically different from Z to Super.

Watch that gif again, son. That's blatantly garbage.

>GT had decent animation
>but also Dragon Ball AF tier plot

>Super has terrible animation
>but the plot in general terms is a lot more bearable

Suffering.

>>138775340
Goku_vs_Majin_Vegeta.webm

Also DBZ had way more episodes than DBS, and it looked much better. GT had more or less the same, and looked much better.

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Frieza falls in love with Goku.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Saiyan's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when Frieza recounts the previous day's confessions to Goku, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the Saiyan he called is not the same Saiyan he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is Kakarrot's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with Frieza's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase after reach other, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of GAY.

>>138754343
this is some newgrounds tier animation

toppest of the keks

>>138775329
Is that supposed to be an example of QUALITY?

Sure, but it still looks better than the average frame of DBS.

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>>138775583
>You know that the animation on up close scenes is drastically different from Z to Super.

A swing and a miss.

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>>138775598
>Goku_vs_Majin_Vegeta.webm

Pffft.

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>>138775625
>Is that supposed to be an example of QUALITY?
>he thinks this is actually a quality drawing

Strike two. One more.

>>138775645
Is that supposed to look bad? Because you should remember we are comparing with DBS and that has more detail and looks better than any character ever does in Super.

>>138775329
You can literally see the shadow below Cell. DBZ had great animation compared to DBS.

>>138775611
FINDO A WAY

>>138775659
Did you completely miss the rest of the post or what? Also as >>138775662 said, we're comparing them, and that QUALITY is absolutely nothing compared to the QUALITY in DBS, which looks worse than that AND on characters right in front of the camera.

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>>138775662
>Is that supposed to look bad?

How can we take your claims of quality seriously when you think that's top-tier quality?

>>138775611

Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it's a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/

>people posting single frames in a discussion about animation
w
h
a
t
the fuck is this thread even
fuck u guys for making me read this garbage

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>>138775687
>that QUALITY is absolutely nothing compared to the QUALITY in DBS

So what you're saying is that you've never watched or rewatched Dragon Ball Z?

>>138775689
This looks great compared to DBS.

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>>138775687
>AND on characters right in front of the camera.

Are you high? Have you literally never seen DBZ before?

>>138775710
nostalgia_goggles.png

>>138775611
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/keit-ai-finds-a-way/

Your maymay is already in knowyourmaymay, so you can stop now.

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>>138775700
Move the goalpost some more.

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>>138775631
I think that's on-model because Goku consistently has bad shoulders.

>>138775689
>>138775707
>>138775718
>>138775740
All this looks 10 times better than DBS, so I'm sure you're trying to make some sort of point but you're too stupid to realize you're making the opposite one.

Anyone want to start posting DBS quality or should I do it?

>>138775740
That scene was great. Still looks better than anything in DBS.

>>138754343
Make it a lot flashier and you have OPM animation.

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ITT: People who've never watched DBZ complain about QUALITY in DBS that's also present in DBZ.

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>>138754343
>that fucking effect
Super is the gift that keeps on giving

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>>138775753
>All this looks 10 times better than DBS
>>138775755
>That scene was great. Still looks better than anything in DBS.

Those nostalgia goggles tho.

I bet you think your ribs work that way.

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>>138775762
>>138775772
The amazing Super Caveman 3

>>138775753
>>138775755
DBS definitely has a lot of QUALITY, some really bad stuff too. But DBZ had just as bad QUALITY at times and it's almost disgusting you'd defend it like this. It's just another reason for you to shit on Super and complain how its not as good as muh DBZ

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>>138775755
>That scene was great.

How can anyone take you seriously and not call you out as a Toonamibaby when you claim that that scene is great?

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>>138754343
Hohohoho that tickles~

>>138775772
I don't think you get just how bad Super is. It's worst moments are far worse and more jarring than anything in DBZ.

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>>138775659
>>138775329
Compare with pic related. One is ten times worse, which one is it?

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>>138775783
The amazing DBZ animation.

>>138775788
Because it was great. Every kid in the world laughed at the absurdity of it.

>>138775810
How is that bad?

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>>138775806
>>138775807
Seems to me you've never watched Super either.

>>138754393
All the weebs that were crying after gt

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>Superfags keep posting DBZ stuff trying to show it was just as bad but they are just making it easier to compare and see how much worse Super is

>>138775822
>it was great because muh childhood

Stick a fork in him, he's done.

>>138775832
>How is that bad?

You actually think that lazy jerky movement is good? Way to go discrediting yourself.

>>138775611
http://bot.doomy.me/post/134821431734/a-boy-falls-in-love-with-a-girlunable-to-confess

It's spreading.

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>>138775848
>implying DBZ wasn't the same

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>Superfags keep defending the animation even though they straight up admitted they have newbie animators working on it

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2016-03-01/interview-the-past-present-and-future-of-dragon-ball/.99269

>>138775851
Ad hominem. It means you've run out of arguments.

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>>138775848
>complains about people using DBZ screen shots from far away
>uses far away screen shots in DBS to make his point

Aaaaay

>>138775874
>It used to be shitty too
Is that seriously your only defense for DBS? It doesn't even invalidate any points bashing it.

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>>138775887
>Ad hominem.

Pointing out your ignorance and you saying jerky animation is good isn't ad hominem. Look that term up first before using it.

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>>138775898
>Is that seriously your only defense for DBS?

It's no better than DBZ so unless you only started watching DBS, you don't really have an argument.

Also: >>138775840

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>>138775832
>How is that bad?

It's as bad, if not worse, than the thing you're complaining about in DBS.

>>138775891
that's his foot

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>>138775611

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>>138775925
>that's his foot
Pffft.

>>138770607
But anon, that would cost money.

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ITT: Dragon Ball has always been bad.

>>138775901
There's more to the animation that makes it better than DBS. It's the shading and movement. In DBS, everything doesn't even move. Beerus just phases in and out on the screen while staying in the same pose. When you get characters doing something different than standing still, it looks completely fake because the artists can't into motion.

And you were using ad hominem, which is an attempt to gain footing by attacking the presenter of a point over the point itself.

>>138770607
>Holy shit! they should fire the amature artists and hire people that know how to draw and make cool fights..
>amature

They should hire you to make the deadline. It's up to Toei's standards in hiring animators anyway.

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>>138754425
>>138754343
Still have no fucking idea why Toei is letting amateurs animate this?

>>138766560
>the sense of adventure and fantasy
God you're such a sperg

It's not just the QUALITY in DBS, it's that the choreography is pure fucking trash. Even if they were drawn perfectly every frame, the fights would still be boring as fuck.

>>138766560
Yes, before it went to shit after the Frieza arc it was. DBZ pre-Androids > DB.

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>>138775966
>It's the shading and movement. In DBS, everything doesn't even move.
see >>138775840

Also, this.

>>138775611
Judging by the topic of this thread, this is the best post ITT by default, which says a lot.

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ITT:

>>138775840
photoshop filters and jerky animation

>>138775978
It has nothing to do with amateurs animating and everything to do with Toei providing a halfhearted phoned-in effort on a franchise that sells by itself without much effort.

>>138776051
>jerky animation

You mean this >>138775707?

Thanks for discrediting yourself again with your nostalgia-goggled double standards.

>>138775916
That makes no fucking sense. If I've watched both I cannot complain about a show that's been made in 2016 and looks constantly retarded even if I don't pause the frames?

>>138776051
>jerky animation
Have you never watched a single episode of Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z or do you just like to cherrypick sakuga while never watching the source material?

>>138776024
cel looks better than CG, and anything looks better than Super

deal with it

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>>138776079
>If I've watched both I cannot complain about a show that's been made in 2016

I sure hope you're not using the PRESENT YEAR defense.

>>138776092
Except Super isn't CG, you retard.

>>138768469
The movie looked like an "alright" Toei episode for almost eveything but some parts of the fight against Freezer.

>>138768941
No, it would look like Lost Universe.

Cells can save anything without talent.

http://strawpoll.me/7112632
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>>138768941
It'll be worse since cels take longer to colour and DBS has a rather rushed production as it is.

>>138776101
>Except Super isn't CG, you retard.

He didn't say that, learn to read.

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>>138776087
Yes.

https://my.mixtape.moe/uphkkv.webm

https://my.mixtape.moe/xkwlyy.webm

Get fucked m8

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>>138776051
see >>138775995

Move that goalpost some more.

Maybe both DBS and DBZ look like shit.

> comparing a show that finished airing 20 years ago to a show airing today
I won't pretend that dbz didn't have plenty of quality animation, but super is much worse and there's really no excuse for it.

>>138776141
Budget saving is a slippery slope. Give the gooks an inch and they'll take a mile.

>>138776145
Then why bring up CG when it has nothing to do with Super?

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I don't understand how some can put Super on the same level as Z. Toei manages to miss every detail that makes the characters look like how they should and then add QUALITY on top of that.

>>138754425
Even the first shot here is very average, not only in interms of quality, but also design. Compared to pic related it just falls short and looks childish

>>138776154
And we have a winner folks. The franchise was never a shining beacon of animation quality from the start, that's a fact.

>>138776164
Cels won't save a rushed production it will make it worse.

>>138776087
Sakuga lives on, DBS won't.

>>138776185
It would either prevent a rushed production or it wouldn't be made at all, both of which are preferable outcomes.

>>138776154
Post of the thread.

>>138776186
Plenty of sakuga from DBS was posted on this thread.

>>138775995
I was wondering why this looks so much better animated than DBS and then I saw Luffy. It's because it's One Piece filler.

>>138776207
>It would either prevent a rushed production

Is this your first Toei production? You speak like a retard.

>>138775840
Why did they give all the budget to caveman?

>>138775916
My main problem with Super is most of the fights feel weak.

In DBZ even when you had QUALITY you had dynamic angles and attacks that looked powerful and impactful.

In Super it feels like the characters aren't putting enough effort into their attacks.

And I feel like the sound effects were better in Z, but I can't remember how things sound in Super at the moment.

>>138776219
>It's because it's One Piece filler
>OP filler
>looking like anything but shit
It's a OP/Toriko/DB special.

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>>138776209
>sakuga from DBS

>>138776183
Which no one even said here. But it's an undeniable fact, that super is the worst one up to now in not only animation.

>>138776233
>It's a OP/Toriko/DB special.
Yeah, like I said. OP filler.

>>138776267
Those are completely different things you numbskull.

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>>138776241
see >>138776153
>>138775995
>>138775840

Also, this.

>>138776223
>In DBZ even when you had QUALITY you had dynamic angles and attacks that looked powerful and impactful.

And fights take years to complete. DBS simply has a faster pace.

>And I feel like the sound effects were better in Z

More nostalgiafaggotry bullshit.

>>138776209
>Plenty
I think this one is the only one and it's mostly effects, which aren't as hard as live movements. >>138775840
The other two are from the TorikoxOne Piece crossover

>>138776324
maybe if dbs didn't look even worse than any other show airing now, it would be good

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>>138776163
>I won't pretend that dbz didn't have plenty of quality animation

That's exactly what OP is doing though.

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>>138776328
>I think this one is the only one and it's mostly effects

You are literally talking out of your ass.

>>138776350
If you're basing your opinion on cherrypicked scenes, it's no worse than DBZ.

Also, it has higher sales than many seasonal anime, and it doesn't even mainly get its profit from BDs.

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Does anyone have this webm?

>>138776306
>Crossover
>Crossover
>Barely any movement of a living thing
Your point?

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>>138754343
is that pooh bear?

>>138776406
It is.

>>138776382
>barely any movement
>monster using his breath
>monsters colliding
>no movement

You're getting pretty desperate here. It has more movement than the Freeza slap GIF.

>>138776380
Did you even read the previous post? He said "plenty in this thread" I only quoted plenty, cause that's the key word he got wrong. And then you post a webm which exactly proves my point. If anything, Super has mostly special effects for destruction and some occassional punches like in OP.

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>>138776382
Let's see how far the goalpost will move, kids!

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>>138754343
>>138754425
>DBStards will defend this

>>138775840
It'd be nice if they could save these moments for the IMPORTANT fights.

>>138776421
Both of these shots are only two seconds long max. As I said, barely any movements. If we go by any standards, that's what animators do in their first year of animation.
If it helps you, I'm another guy altogether.

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>>138776448
>If anything, Super has mostly special effects for destruction and some occasional punches like in OP.


By that logic, that's literally Dragon Ball Z though.

Do you even have a point?

>>138775840
>It gets worse when Berus enters.

ITT: Spics use the "It's okay because it also looked like shit 20 years ago" defense

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>>138776501
>Both of these shots are only two seconds long max.

As opposed to DBZ?

>>138776513
Beerus barely moving is the point of that fight, though. He's supposed to not exert effort. Are you retarded?

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>>138776534
If it always looked like shit 20 years ago, why would you expect it to not look like shit 20 years later?

Inb4 present year.

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>>138776538
>nostalgiafags defend jerky movements
>criticize DBS for having the same jerky movements

>>138776559
Why is Toei unable to improve their animation quality over the years like, you know, countless other animation studios have?

>>138776509
Yes, see >>138776176 I didn't even defend Z's animation in any of these posts, cause it's been ages since I've watched it. Nonethess, Super only comes to the same level as far as animations go, but with less details.

>>138776538
Thanks for looking up what I meant.

>>138776582
>Why is Toei unable to improve their animation quality

Because they're still making billions of yen/dollars doing the exact same thing.

Don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg and whatnot.

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>>138776593
>Thanks for looking up what I meant.

So your point is that DBZ and DBS is the exact same thing and you're complaining about something that's present in DB in general?

Thanks for clarifying.

>>138776602
And what does that have to do with their animation looking like complete shit when they're capable of much better? Why do they have no standards for quality? Why are you shilling this hard for them?

>>138776620
It´s not shilling, it´s just how things are.
Truth is they probably are capable of making better animated and better looking anime, they just choose not to since that would earn them less money.

>>138776579
>DBSfags in charge of posting screenshots not from perfect cell saga

>>138776653
>Truth is they probably are capable of making better animated and better looking anime

They have yet to do so outside from some movies/OVAs

>they just choose not to since that would earn them less money

They're already paying their employees wages that should be illegal, I don't see how spending a little more to make it not look like complete shit is going to make a dent in their profit, especially since like you said, they're still making millions and could probably make even more with some decent animation.

>>138776602
Toei are makin loads of money off Precure yet the show looks much better than DBS.

>>138776615
Basically yes. If anything, you could argue that Toei doesn't even try to hide their bad animations anymore.

DB had nice animation, it really tried to pull "martial arts" when characters fought each other, DBZ was just wonky punches and kicks all the time, sometimes energy blasts exchange, DBS pulls literally the same shit, however animation of some scenes Goku SSJ3 vs beerus, Goku vs Winnie the Pooh was indeed abysmal. People actually expect weekly long running series(probably it will be around 150-200 episdoes) to run with movie quality which will never happen, especially when Toei animates it.

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>>138776559
>>138776602
>>138776653
>it's okay when Dragon Ball does it

>>138776538
The fuck you on about mate? Just becuase Beerus isn't moving doesn't mean you can just fuck the animation.
Apparently It needs to be said but when I say
>It gets worse when Berus enters
I mean the animation in general, Not just him.

>>138776887
DBZ had nice animation up to Frieza Saga, mostly environment destruction and fancy dodging/flying

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>>138775340
But the new resurrection of F movie sucked.
I waited for the Dub because I knew it wouldn't take too long and freeza was going to show up in super anyway.
Now that I've seen super version and dubbed version of the movie, I think I prefer the super's version of it, I didn't have to endure as much of that CGI.
Also dub's Freeza and Krillin didn't sound like their original voices at all, but I can kinda understand it, since it has been quite long since dbz. (I still would've preferred new VAs doing the old voices, if they would've been more accurate.)

I'm going to watch that return of cooler movie again, I loved the animation of it.
If they'd do it now, they'd skip drawing all those Meta Coolers and go straight to CGI.

I'm a Gohan-fag, and I hate Super because it keeps shitting on my favorite character.

>>138775840
Isn't that one from OVA but not super?

>>138777055
>But the new resurrection of F movie sucked.

Not according to the ticket sales, no.

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>>138776972
>The fuck you on about mate? Just becuase Beerus isn't moving doesn't mean you can just fuck the animation.

Your argument is as retarded as saying this is a QUALITY image from Dragon Ball Z without context of what it is.

>>138777323
That's from Super, tho.

>>138777055
>Also dub's Freeza and Krillin didn't sound like their original voices at all
>the dub
>mattering at all

Found the Toonamifaggot.

>>138776942
It's okay when Dragon Ball does it because otherwise you wouldn't be a fan of DB.

The problem happens when you condemn DBS for doing the exact same shit DBZ is doing and you're not even aware of it because of nostalgiafaggotry.

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>>138777323
It's DB. Of course it sells.

>>138777379
I watch it for muh nostalgia.
It hurts. I think I'm starting to like the original japanese voices. When I started watching Super, I thought that all the voices sounded too "whiney" or high pitched, I don't know, I like them now.

>>138777449
>It's DB. Of course it sells.

And that's the reason why Toei is doing what it's doing.

>I watch it for muh nostalgia.

I suggest not rewatching it then unless of course your nostalgia goggles are stuck right into your skull, in which case you'd have an excuse for every last flaw it has while being blind to the fact that DBS is the exact same shit.

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>>138777524
Nah, I'm going to watch it in Japanese, just to hear what cooler sounds like.
And I don't have any excuses for the shit quality in dbz, I just don't remember it, since it's been a long time since I've seen it completely (only thing I've seen recently is the original freeza vs goku fight)
DBZ might just be one of those damn shows that has fans that don't want to face the truth that the animation sucked, or they just have very low standards when they watch old stuff for some reason.
But in this day and age, shit animation gets called out quickly. I don't know which one is it, the fact that they're trying to make 100 episodes or the fact that they just don't want to spend too much money to make it look better.
Now I'm just talking shit out of my ass, because I'm bored.

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>>138754343

>>138777388
Well the problem comes from you comparing a modern anime from one that ended 20 years ago. The standards are higher now. And yes, the consistently subpar animation was always a massive problem with DBZ, but rather than try and improve on it like they should have they STILL continue to shit out QUALITY that looks worse than a newgrounds flash from the 90s/early 2000s. Yet you're saying "it's okay because it's DB" when you and everyone else would rip into literally any other anime for doing the same thing.

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>>138768941
>cells

>>138776101
He's using the PRESENT YEAR defense because in 2016 we have better technology that allows for better animation that dbs doesn't take advantage of

>>138777323
>Twilight sucks
>not according to ticket sales
(You)

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>went meet the wife for lunch at her office
>chatting with one of her coworkers while I wait
>he mentions binge watching DBZ over the weekend
>we talk about battle of gods a little bit
>he goes on to say how excited he is about seeing super
>tell him it's not worth it
>he looks confused
>explain current state of affairs in the show to him
>"Well would you say it's at least better than GT?"
>mrw
That poor guy looked like all his childhood dreams got completely shit on.

>>138778885

This never happened and you invented this scenario to join the discussion.

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>>138771468
>the cereal scene

>>138771468
I doubt even Goku could stump the trump at this point.

>>138779315
yes but could powerman stump him?

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ITT: Dragon Ball has always been shit.

>>138754343
>>138754425
HOLY SHIT THIS LOOKS LIKE THOSE FANMADE DEVIANTART animations what the fucK

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>>138778018
>He's using the PRESENT YEAR defense because in 2016 we have better technology that allows for better animation
>expecting Toei to make better animation when shitty animation from 20 years ago is still making them billions of dollars
>exerting unnecessary effort when they never did that even when DB was airing
>shiggy diggy

>>138777864
Actually, the standards are still the same if you compare One Piece to DBS rather than Seasonal Anime that depends on BD sales versus a long-running anime that depends on merchandising and manga sales.

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>>138754343
Stole this from Hokuto no Ken to be quite honest with you family

>>138764379
I´m a spic, I haven´t watched a single fucking Super Episode. just looking at your gif/webm is enough for me.

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>>138775805

>and people still claim Dragonball GT was bad

Ahahahaha, get rekt

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>>138754343
So this is what happened after Pooh managed to survive Christopher's monster pitch.

Guys is not about quality or story, is just that we have grow up.

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>>138754425
>>138754343
>the animation will get good once the non movie stuff starts

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>>138782403
It's actually worse than Super.

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>>138754343
That's some high quality animation.

>>138775659
But the pic on the left looks gorgeous.
All you`ve proved is that Z had QUALITY at some parts but not all the time. Super has QUALITY every episode. Also Cell in the right is really small and zoomed in, Super characters look like that even when they`re the focus of a scene.

>>138783940
Are you retarded or do you not get that the pic on the right is actually from the same show?

>All you`ve proved is that Z had QUALITY at some parts but not all the time. Super has QUALITY every episode.

Dragon Ball Z literally has QUALITY in every episode. You obviously haven't watched the anime recently.

>>138784012
>Are you retarded or do you not get that the pic on the right is actually from the same show?
That`s my point. It looks great. Super never looked great like that.

>>138784057
>That`s my point. It looks great.

DBZ/DBS looks great when the animators bother to make it look great.

It's literally the same shit.

>Super never looked great like that.

See: >>138776467
>>138775840
>>138775995
>>138776153
>>138776306

Keep moving goalposts.

>>138784102
Those aren't even from Super.

>>138784192
You obviously haven't watched Super if you think those aren't from Super.

>>138783408
>tfw side characters do more in that scene & fight stronger villains without being stomped than they did in Super

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>>138784234

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>>138776381

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>>138784294
>tfw you're full of shit

>>138784318
see >>138776467
>>138775840

Literally the first two quotes.

>>138784396
What was with the Toriko/OP posts then?
Also those two are by far the worst ones and the only good thing is Goku's Kamehameha.

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>>138784485
So you have no comments on those two scenes, huh?

I accept your concession.

>>138784542
>no comments on then
Did you read the post?

>>138754343
"They've been watching these guys scream and punch each other for decades, I'm sure they'll eat anything we spew out regardless. Kids won't care either."

>>138784576
It's you complaining about those two scenes as "bad" without actually saying the reasons why they're "bad". You just called them "the worst".

>>138784628
They certainly don't if you see the ratings for DBS.

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>all people saying Z looks like shit posting only stills of background characters or zooms
>people actually arguing about fucking stills instead of actual animation

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Can't wait for the next episode.

>>138784691
>all people saying Z looks like shit posting only stills of background characters or zooms

These aren't stills: >>138775740
>>138775707

These aren't far away shots: >>138775631
>>138775689
>>138775718
>>138775740
>>138775750
>>138775874
>>138775891

Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>138784328
even vegeta looks tired of this shit

>>138754425
So does Goku lose to Winnie the Pooh?

>>138784804
>These aren't stills
>Links a still >>138775707

???

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>>138784804
>one fucking gif showing a few frames of animation
>rest are inbetween shots or just your standard anatomical mistake that almost all anime have once or twice in their lifespan

>>138775810
Holy shit kek. Sometimes I forget how shitty Z looked

>>138767592
>>138771638
This is from Dragon Ball Z Ressurection F not Super. Still shitty though.

>>138768548
This nigger gets it so hard.

>>138784987
No, he drags Pooh out of the ring.
Because that's totally what Goku would do.

>>138785363
I hate Super but I can really see Goku doing that after he realizes there's no other way to win.

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>>138785021
>one

How about two?

How about a whole episode of non-stop quality? Look at the very first episode of DBZ.\

Also, keep moving that goalpost, I'm enjoying this immensely.

>>138785014
>These aren't stills
>Links a still

Liar. I linked to GIFs.

>These aren't stills: >>138775740
>>138775707

You're not helping your argument if you have to lie.

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Does anyone has some SSG Goku vs Beerus webms of DBS? Especially ep 13. That shit looked good.

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>>138785628
Only the first is a gif.

>>138775707
The background looks fucking hnnng.
I wish we had that without the chars would make a great wallpaper.