>same character designer
Funny, normally when I see people talking about studios that put clear sublte nuances into their character's appearances, KyoAni is normally the one used as an example.
They just make me sad nowadays, knowing that they once made good shows and are now just purely in it for that sweet moet fanservice profit.
At least they ended their good period with that Haruhi movie, wish was a good way to conclude things, seeing as Kyon himself told the viewer to be patient for a long while at the end.
Aren't they the only studio that has animation classes to teach new people on the industry, to produce their own workforce? Also being one of the only studios who treat their animators as humans?
Besides some lack of diversity on the art style, and the need to go a little more experimental, I must say that their shows look BEAUTIFUL.
But most of them are awful tho, never whatched more than 5 episodes of anything from them.
They just need better things to adapt.
Pretty much every show has a sameface problem. In KyoAni's case it is more noticeable since they use their in-house character designers and put extra effort in making background characters. Background characters of other studios are usually either faceless or non existant in SHAFT's case.
I think my favorite in Hibike is when Shoe rejected Hazuki, you don't see her face just her eyelash but there's a pause for a second and then she blinks as if she's holding back her tears.
Because they designed this super cutie and only used her for a commercial for the KyoAni shop. Also, they're commercials feel like they have far more character than almost any of their shows, so that also tells something about them. Still like them though.
I generally like KyoAni. The character design is amazing but I use "character design" because it's the same with minor quirks everytime. Even the background characters are detailed and not blank faces, the issues is the sameface.
Also I wish they stopped adapting shitty LN material.
>the only studio that has animation classes
There's animation schools for that. If you go to work on a certain animation studio unprepared without animation knowledge whatsoever then you're just retarded.
>the only studios who treat their animators as humans
As if you care about the well-being of the animators while you never provided a cent for anime dvds. Name me one animator from that studio without looking it up on Google. You can't, can you. Thought so.
Kyoani is getting a lot of shit for no real reason. Yeah, not everything they do are masterpieces but you can't expect everything to live up to Disappearance.
Hyouka was amazing. Tamako Market was decent but was followed up with Tamako Love Story which is the best thing they've done since Disappearance. Amagi was a lot of fun. Hibike is one of the best things they've ever done.
Phantom World is getting a lot of undeserved shit. I don't know what people expected but personally I'm enjoying it a lot.
I think the biggest problem is how they treat their animators. The greatest artists knew what it felt like to suffer. We don't want a polished corporate product made by salarymen. Anime needs to be drawn by people with poor nutrition and sleep deprivation in the solitude of their 1DK. Their passion needs to be tested. When they abandon part of themselves for the sake of anime, you can feel it. I can't feel it in any Kyoani show.
Yes because poorly paid animators do wonders.
>you're just gonna be ugly af forever.
What kind of pathetic insult is that? Calling anonymouses ugly? What do you think he's a girl?
I think that school is more of a training facility for animators so they can get started in the KyoAni ways.
Kyokai no Kanata for example was partially made by "students" from their school. It's not the typical animation school where they teach you the basics, they probably just teach them their techniques and workflows
Right? That's what I've always thought as well. I mean, we should just stop paying them, and stop feeding them for that matter, so that they can work their hardest. Should just do that with every other employed worker like teachers, factory workers and garbage men. I mean, I just can't feel it when I see them picking up the trash or when they're working on the production, they just don't seem to have the passion for it anymore, without abandoning part of themselves. Maybe also work longer shifts and have them pay to work for me could also boost their inspiration.
Phantom World has the best visual direction of the season, which is sad because it's arguably one of KyoAni's most mediocre shows in that department. Other studios need to step up.
>Kyokai no Kanata for example was partially made by "students" from their school.
I'm gonna need a source for that claim. As far as I'm aware, their students will need to graduate first before being allowed to work on any studio project.
Watch the credits, or just compare their staff here with something like Nichijou for example that had lots of KyoAni heavyweights working on it.
>Needing proofs for visible filter effects on shots
Go fuck yourself.
What's the problem with post production?
They're the underdog studio that everyone loves but now since they've become mildly successful the haters are starting to come out. Hating on KyoAni back in 2009 was blasphemy but now seems to be the hip thing to do.
More like I sameface your fucking ass
Fuck off back to /v/ you retarded cunts
Fucking ''LE MANIME HAS THE ORIGINAL FACES AND THE BEST ANIMES XD'' Fuck off
Is Nichijou KyoAni's best work since Disappearance?
>They just make great looking shows, that's it.
Well, KyoAni staff don't seem to have a problem leaving so I doubt that's an issue. It's fair to have someone working for the company for a few years after showing them the ropes, provided it's not under awful conditions.
There's a whole bunch of them at the newly-formed Liden Films Kyoto studio. They're working on Kanojo no Neko. Also, other previous alumni include Gorou Sessha(did some great directing and animation work for Naruto, now freelance), Tomoe Aratani (illustration at Nintendo), and Yuusuke Matsuo (freelance animator).
Everyone uses filtered photographs these days, but it's not like it's the main type of bg art assets. Painted backgrounds are still around, be it traditionally or digitally painted.
Uh, I'm not the fag arguing with you earlier on. Should've clarified that. I just thought something was worth pointing out. I think it's silly to deride a studio for using digital tools available at their disposal, and KyoAni tends to get things right visually than most of the studios. Hell, I'd take all their fancy camera effects over garishly-coloured shit like One-Punch Man.
Cute as fuck
Also, people like to harp on Kyoani for adapting shit LNs, when the only notably bad ones they adapted were Chuu2, KnK and Phantom World (which were still pretty good, honestly. Thanks to their talented directors). That's 3 shows compared to 14 or so they've made.
Tamako and Free are originals, Hibike is a novel. And they are adapting Koe no Katachi soon.
KyoAni conjurs its anim directly from the 2D salm. All of the studio is just a front for.their moe magics, as are news stories about them. It hasn't yet been discovered by the world, but I am privy to it because my dad works at KyoAni. Prove me wrong faggot.
No, but if that webm is any indication they copy Ghibli imagery in order to manufacture a public image as Ghibli's successor instead of you know, making good shit that stands out on its own.
Their training facility is useless. The 'Kyoani ways' would only work inside Kyoani.
Look at Yamakan, for example. He trained there. And the moment he walks out of there he's a laughing stock. The same would apply to any other kyoani staffs.
The LN adaptations are a drop in the bucket compared to their bigger, unrivaled catalogued of industry influencing shows.
Besides, they split from Kadakowa's like, 4 years ago? And they are already back to adapting novels and manga since they were profiting off these LNs.
>Look at Yamakan, for example. He trained there. And the moment he walks out of there he's a laughing stock.
That's not because he trained at KyoAni. That's because he's Yamakan.
>The same would apply to any other kyoani staffs.
Other ex-KyoAni staff have been doing fine with some of them climbing the industry ranks to take on directing or animation supervisor positions.
I hate the eyes.
I don't follow studios explicitly and I can appreciate their styling most of the time but no matter the show, no matter the character designer, they just stand out and they're hideous. Probably something to do with their spacing as well.
They can do some fantastic stuff visually/techinically but that being the backdrop to the same shit every time is tiring. I feel like KyoAni gets the out for this so frequently because it's varying degrees of "wasted potential."
Because the TV shows they produce nowadays are all trash.
No cute animation short can make up for the garbage that are Kyoukai no Kanata, Chuubidubi, Gay Swimmers and the autism fest that is currently airing. Even the Jun Maeda Baseball KEY shit was better.
>There's a whole bunch of them at the newly-formed Liden Films Kyoto studio
I don't think you know what that word means.
Also maybe people disliking KyoAni now vs in 2009 is less representational of "whats hip" and more representational of the dipping quality of KyoAni's shows.
Shorts are what are truly saving the seasons now though. They've accepted that anime is now empty in story and creativity and have given up on large formats since they can no longer stand without plot, and chose to simply offer bite sized portions of moe or shallow comedy instead. Take Ooya-san, Marshmallow and Teekyuu for example. They all fare far better as four minute shows that any 24 minute anime right now.
I could probably do the same for your favorite animu, anon. There's bound to be some QUALITY within any studio's production; for example, a shit ton in Madoka Magica or perhaps even recent productions like DBS.
>Post some animation on twitter
>"aww how can anyone hate them?"
KyoAni was an underdog back then, they went from working as a small Sunrise outsource studio to making like 6 hits in a row. They're not underdogs anymore but back then no one expected them to even become relevant.
And no, the haters are all shitting on KyoAni because it is hip. Their style and the type of shows they do hasn't changed one bit, they now adapt their own stuff instead of relying on Kadokawa and their animation quality has improved so much that even Disappearance looks like a run of the mill KyoAni show (in terms of visuals) compared to the works they do now. Hyoka and Hibike have as great direction as Clannad and Haruhi. AmaBuri has pretty much the same type of comedy as Fumoffu. There's absolutely no dip in quality in KyoAni shows.
Maybe you're not following your own argument, let me remind you.
You said all they do is use photo filters on photos, >>138739356 this isn't that, they're using it as reference, a thing all studios do, they go out there, take photos and use them as references for their backgrounds. That's a completely different thing than just filtering actual photos and using them as backgrounds. Do you understand your own argument now?
I'm sorry, anon, but I'm not the the guy you were previously talking to. But here, have more location reference pictures.
>Subtext =/= real yuri
>People are content with just a subtext, nobody wants a yuri as the main genre.
You make it sound like if Madoka and Homura kissed on screen, the popularity of Madoka Magica will drop like a rock?
>and the K-On! movie is better than Disappearance
I feel the opposite. Disappearance did a finer job in my opinion; but even then the differences between the two movies are similar to that of a just-sharpened pencil and a sharpened pencil that's been used once to write a period, which is not much.
You make it sound like if all those tragedy and magical fantasy element in there were removed and they make it as just a romance drama instead, it will stay as popular as now?
One of the best things about Shaft is that they use character designs very close to the original works. No mater if it's Kumeta, Aoki Ume or Buriki, the designs look what they are supposed to.
>Their style and the type of shows they do hasn't changed one bit
They used to do about one series (sometimes a movie, as well) and they were adaptations of for wildly different sources. After Hyoka, they did 3-4 one cour shows (plus a movie for each of them) every year that were either adaptations of inbred manga & LN competition entries or original works. You can say anything about the quality, but saying they haven't changed is a big fat lie.
I'd say the biggest problem with Kyoani most people (who aren't mindless bandwagon haters) have is the fact that they went from doing carefully crafted top-notch works (often based on already popular source material) to seasonal bulk adaptations of their own forgettable IPs just in order to make money. I don't blame people who watch their series for the animation since there aren't other studios that are able to provide that, but their modern series aren't the stuff that is still remembered after ten or even five years.
You think you have an argument but you really don't.
>They used to do about one series (sometimes a movie, as well) and they were adaptations of for wildly different sources.
Haruhi - 2 Seasons and a movie - SoL, comedy, supernatural
K-On - 2 Seasons and a movie - SoL, comedy
Clannad - 2 Seasons - SoL, drama
FMP - 2 Seasons - SoL, comedy, action
>about one series
>wildly different sources
Compare them to:
Chuu2 - 2 Seasons and a movie - SoL, comedy, drama
KnK 1 season and 3 movies - action, drama
Free - 2 Seasons and a movie - sports, drama SoL
Hibike - 2 Seasons and a movie - SoL, drama
They have been adapting series with roughly the same genres as back in the day.
>the fact that they went from doing carefully crafted top-notch works (often based on already popular source material) to seasonal bulk adaptations of their own forgettable IPs just in order to make money.
It would've been much easier to stay as Kadokawa's pet and do popular adaptations
They are good at making scenes and landscapes, but they choices at what to animate suck ass. Maybe they pander too hard to fat shameless otaku with a boner for pure-like-idol girls who never kissed a single men in their lifes.
I'm a new IP. That excuse won't work.
Final veredict: Photo filtering is not the same as referencing landmarks. Kyoani references landmarks, and you can notice so by the differences between the pictures and the shots in the anime. They don't photo filter.
Using matte painting techniques isn't seen as cheap or hacky in the anime industry. Studios do it when on a tight budget or when they're short on time. Not everyone has the money to spend on hand painted backgrounds. This photo filter guy is acting like it's the worst thing a studio can do.
If he wants to complain and find faults in KyoAni works he should find a better argument because chances are his favorite studio does the same.
I forgot the source, but the one who write it was from USA. She came to study at kyoAni school, and met Yamada. Then Yamada talked something about work hours which is about 9.00AM-17.00PM and women can't work more than 18.00PM, if they (women) went home at >17.00 PM, one of the men should bring them back home so they'll be safe. Also she said that kyoAni pays them monthly.
>nobody wants a yuri as the main genre
Stop with this meme.
There was nothing subtext in Madoka
Oh, and Love Live already confirmed the gayness through the canon gay songs and a game so gay the west tried to censor it
Well, whatever helps you sleep at night.
To start, you can't evaluate using numbers over a subjective matter. And in the other hand, Kyoani could be mediocre in some ways but, saying her "animation" is mediocre is just a plain moronic statement, when is known that's one of their strengths.
Also, the sameface is also a subjective matter. Personally I like their designs, and it doesn't really matter if they look similar to other shows they've made in the past.
Wow, it's almost as if you are making it sound like if someone changed the genre of a show, it would totally alienate the original fanbase
>Any anime is both the technical part and the story part, kyoani does well the technical part, but the story part sucks in most cases.
Pretty much this. They really are at their best when doing others' successful IPs.
That's just wrong, anon.
>It would've been much easier to stay as Kadokawa's pet and do popular adaptations
And make less money? Why would they do that?
I don't latch onto a studio like life support so how am i the pathetic one?
Please teach me how to not be a faggot, namefag
Feeling like a patrician
But who else is gonna crush your hopes and dreams?
It isn't. And there's less risk in relying on a publisher. As it is now KyoAni has to advertise and self-fund their shows, so if something flops, like Phantom, it will hit them much harder.
>I don't latch onto a studio like life support so how am i the pathetic one?
But you pretty much make such a great effort in doing the contrary.
Look at these four autism-tier replies.
I bet you also think that harems are SoL
I'm not going to reply to any particular poster, but it seems that people don't understand that SOL is a large umbrella term that can easily be shared with romance, drama, and even sci-fi and etc.
Slice of Life shows the mundane aspects of life, polishes them up and make it relaxing. That's why Aria is a SoL, despite being on a completely different planet, involving a job that nobody here has experience with.
Chuu2 doesn't do this, its a romcom.
FMP is fucking mecha, with characters and people dying in it. No idea why you thought it was SoL. Fumoffu is just a comedy.
Haruhi is supernatural. There's nothing SoL about it except for the school setting.
Hibike is a character drama and focuses completely on the school band, not a SoL
The only SoLs Kyoani have made is K-On!, Tamako, and maybe Nichijou since it does have big SoL elements despite being a gag comedy.
people think Kyoani and the say "good animation" but it's much more than that.
Yesterday watching Little Busters Refrain I couldn't stop thinking in how Kyoani would have done some tear-jerking moments.
The direction, the script, the little details, everything adds up for a better overall experience. Kyoani just knows how to do it properly, and their aim is always improving and trying new things.
Chuu2, Haruhi and Hibike have plenty of SoL elements, but even if you don't want to recognize them as SoL, KyoAni has made mostly dramas and comedies, your argument that old-KyoAni worked with much more diverse works if flat out wrong. Their essence is the same as when they make Fumoffu.
>Chuu2 doesn't do this, its a romcom.
So if a SOL involves romance it no longer counts as a slice of life? Or perhaps you're saying the comedy part disqualifies it?
>Hibike is a character drama and focuses completely on the school band, not a SoL
"Character drama" is not a genre. There is plenty of SOL elements in the show, as anyone who played in an actual school band would like tell you.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
She was an intern at the studio, that event on twitter was from when she went back to help out and visit the studio. Her time at KyoAni is written on her blog but looks like it's private now.
> yes, you actually can
Of course you can, but it doesn't mean anything to the people who likes the matter in question. An art expert could give a 10 to certain painting, and still be considered as shit by the rest of the people who don't understand the technicalities and eventually buy the thing or pay to see the exhibition.
If people like shit. It doesn't matter if it's unhealthy, you have to deal with it.
So your out-of-your-ass up to 10 scale it's bullshit.
> Nope, you could argue that until a certain point it is, but in this case it isn't.
Please kid. That's not even an argument
Sorry for your non-existent quote. And thank
If the romance involves everyday mundane elements of said romance (like OreMono) then it can be SoL. Chuu2 barely has any of this, just like Tamako Love Story.
Character Dramas can be argued to be SoL, but personally I think they are too melodramatic and generally don't focus on everyday life in general. Hibike is all about character motivations tied to getting better at band and winning that gold. They don't have episodes entirely spent on shopping, working a job that isn't tied to music, and random Christmas episodes like K-On!
>If the romance involves everyday mundane elements of said romance (like OreMono) then it can be SoL.
See friend, you've got it backwards. The SOL in Chuuni is sprinkled with elements of romance. Not the other way around.
I still think they have the best character designers. /fa/ approved.
What do you mean?
Its accepted that Kyoani is still /a/'s favorite studio. There's just a lot of Kyoani envy and hate amongst crossboarders, who generally prefer madhouse or Gainax.
It seems I'm talking with a mentally challenged person so let's recapitulate.
I said: Sameface is subjective.
You questioned it but since your argument was nowhere to be seen I asked for it before continue, and now you're dodging like a faggot.
What? Gainax is nearly dead. Most of the old fans are hyping Trigger now, whether Trigger deserve it or not. Modern Gainax is Gainax in-name-only now, with the only original member still there being a guy who became a high level executive and hadn't made any anime directly for years.
In terms of quality, Hibikek is better, but Amaburi was a lot more entertaining than most of their shows lately. S2 never
In only one episode, KyoAni managed to have the cutest facial expressions of the season, are other studios even trying?
KyoAni has very similar styles between shows because they mostly use the same staff while other studios normally get freelancers, it's not that hard to understand. This is why Ghibli, Disney, Dreamworks titles share similarities in their art, they're the same people.
In only one episode of seven minutes Feel have beat the shit out of Kyoani.
P.A. Works too, it's Kyoani even trying anymore?
Says the kid-fucking fat fuck thinking he just won an argument on the internet.
Real animators do it in the middle of a busy street wearing rags while starving and being afflicted with numerous diseases. It's how you get the good quality out of them.
>wahh mods please ban these kyoani haters
your reply was LITERALLY calling out damage control instead of actually addressing anything I said.
It's called having their own style, everyone has one. Writters, illustrators, animators. Are you going to tell Takeshi Honda for example to stop animation in his own patented style because it's all similar?
Oh here it come the try hards.
Above anything on Phantom Shit yeah.
Horrible designs, mediocre animation, and everything looks washed out.
I don't need to provide arguments to statements when isn't necessary. But since you questioned it (with no arguments), now that's different.
And yet, you're not telling me why you think isn't subjective.
For example, someone can say Haruhi's face is similar to Kousaka Reina face, but then I'll say it depends if the character designer was the same (which is the case) or which chapter, and which A.D was put in charge of that chapter; and even if it was the same person, there are subtle differences that makes them different (eye shape-color, hair, expressions)
But even if they are similar, at the end that's called: Style.
Kyoani has a style, that people like, and they don't have the necessity to change that character design style just because some faggots don't approve them. Their business model seems to work, they currently don't need big hits to finance themselves since they are adapting their own stuffs, and the cake isn't dividing into majoritarian committees, so again, they'll continue with the "same face" even when people try to make it look as a bad thing when actually is the contrary.
Now that's an argument kid.
>This studio is making repetitive same shit everytime. They do not leave their comfort zone. How do we fix them?
>By making them fund and work on their repetitive same shit, while not leaving their comfort zone
Way better designs than anything on Phantom World, but yeah, the animation is pretty mediocre.
>the cutest facial expressions of the season
>everything they make is shit asides from animation.
Now proper response, kyoani panders.
But it works because of their execution.
It's part of the company strategy.
This has allow kyoani to have flexibility for their staff and their choice to adapt what they what.
It also created a prestige or hype surround the companies every next move.
Is it good the anime medium which lacks much need quality writers. Fuck no.
Is it good for themselves. Quite evidently yes.
With each new anime year cycle/era passing kyoani just keeps getting better "from a technical standpoint".
I'm looking it from an economic perspective while you're doing it from an artistic one.
Economic-wise, they did leave their comfort zone, artistic wise I'd probably agree that they're still doing the same kind of shows they did when they started. I personally don't mind since if I wanted action, tragedy, experimental, suspense or surreal anime I have plenty of other studios to choose from.
>Way better designs than anything on Phantom World, but yeah, the animation is pretty mediocre.
Haruchika's ugly, botched designs don't hold a candle to Phantom World's designs.
no they are shit and they don't have a single decent writer
And what hype are you talking about? Nobody gives a shit about them in Japan, Phantom World is flopping, Free Movie underperformed, Velvet Evergarden their award winning LN FLOPPED HARD
Fuck off kyoanus
It's still not too late for her to touch Cla-ring's ears, right?
Still way better than what you just posted and again, anything else on that series.
Then let me say it clearly for you worthless fag:
"Kyoani's characters don't have sameface."
That's a style. And they're not the SAME, they're similar. That's a lot different. How similar? It depends in the person point of view, so is subjective.
I'm still waiting for your argument though.
>I'm looking it from an economic perspective
Then why the fuck are you praising them for it? What, does the money they make from shows goes into your bank account too? Unless you're a jew who love seeing that kind of smart move, there's absolutely no benefit from praising their cunning in making more money.
Samefaces is okay.
Making it like it's something wrong
Is like call out to Apple saying "hey all you products look the same, wahhhhh wahhhh give me something different wahhhhhhhh".
Oh you sound a bit butthurt, tell me your address I'll send some ointment free of charge.
None of those are good and Chika especially is grotesque.
>***,761位/***,713位 (***,957 pt) [*,**9予約] 2016/04/06 Phantom World
I'm not the one who's butthurt anon
Don't dodge the question. KyoAni art style is very defined and they are consistent with it, but you seem want something different. Do you mean to develop an entirely different style? Or something different while still being truth to their own style? I gave you an example with Honda, everyone can tell something was made by him because he's consistent with it, Evangelion or Naruto it doesn't matter everyone can tell the scenes he worked on. Same with KyoAni, or SHAFT, everyone can tell which shows were made by them by just taking a glimpse at them.
I want you to use your own words. What do you mean by this
>one thing is to have a style, other very different is being unable to make something different.
Different like what? Nichijou? Lucky Star? Hyouka? Those three are very different from K-On, Clannad or Haruhi but everyone can tell they were made by KyoAni.
I really can't stand P. A. Works bug eyed artstyle and washed out palette.
Tokyo MX, TVA, ABC, BS11, AT-X
SEA Aniplus Asia
French streaming sites
animelv from Malaysia
Yes Yes my butt it's leaking.
Yes kyoani is gonna crash. There no hope anymore. Kyoani didn't find the way.
See ya in five years when kyoani, will still be here.
No, production cost is about the same and lower. It's they take their time, have good management and do not take too many projects at once.
What? I just came here and I'm not dodging anything at all. Telling you that they have sameface is not dodging anything fucktard.
>What do you want KyoAni to do differently
The faces. Are you pretending to be retarded? It's on the first post
You're the only retard here fucking fanboy.
I told you to stop listing Nichijo and Lucky star like they mean anything at all to current KyoAni. >>138743092
You're changing goalposts and trying to defend yourself with old shows when you know full well people are talking about the current status of the studio. Fuck off
Sarcasm bro, kyoani is probably has the most stability among the other studios other than sunrise.
Pertaining to criticism of their work is just subjective and I don't care for much of other opinions. Like it or Hate it.
Kyoani is at the forefront. And the facility and resource talent is the envy to much of the industry.
Anime is not made for us in mind, it rarely is. So crying shitposting or making legitimate point won't change anything.
This thread is just like a circlejerk session.
Read the entire reply chain. This is the right one. Most of his posts are deleted now. He was probably shitposting too much.
Nigger you're trying to make it look as if Nichijo has anything to do with how the studio is now, you're the one acting like a retard.
Did you miss the last 5 years where KyoAni has released different shows with the same characters(with minor tweaks) over and over again?
>and try to make a good argument, not just "ur a faggot".
But that's the only non-subjective truth you mongoloid, so I can't stop mention it.
I gave you PLENTY of reasons why I consider the "same face" statement towards Kyoani is subjective. And as a subjective matter you can't deny or verify it. Personally, I don't consider Kyoani as a sameface studio in the slightest. And their expresion work is fantastic to the point that if their characters are somehow similar, they differ from each other due to that.
But by contrast, you've been claiming like a whore: sameface, sameface, sameface. And you're not even able to provide a single argument to support that.
It's subjective. And that's it. And "not until certain point". It's subjective. Period.
Or maybe mods are just deleting posts being reported by circlejerking faggots? deleting the posts with a high amount of reports? Like they always do? never thought about that? Yeah I know you didn't newfag.
It's fairly common
Am I the only one who actually enjoys Phantom World as a series and not just because of the art direction?
I just don't like the writing in most of Kyoani's shows. Either the characters themselves suck, or the things they care about, that the show wants me to care about, are incredibly unimportant or boring, and I don't sympathize, relate, or care at all about them. I don't have fun watching them, so much as I do looking at them, mostly. I feel like that's probably what most people are saying when they talk about "wasted potential" in deference to their works.
Later episodes have been great, maybe a bit too rushed. The plot really needs more time to breath but overall it's OK. Episodes 2 3, 5 and 6 were the worst, sadly those are the episodes everyone watched before dropping it or when deciding not to buy it.
I didn't enjoy it at first. The first half sucked for the most part but it really came into its own, the episodes are better and the characters developed and now the PLOT is beginning.
No anon. There's more than one. I'm >>138740721
Just because that one anon is lacking in his arguments doesn't mean you people have won. I will figuratively shit down your throat until you lose all hope on this studio. You better be ready, kyoanigger. I'm prepared.
No? There's a lot of fillers and the pacing is glacial, they even dedicate entire episodes to their OCs which are fucking shit characters.
If you think it's been improved then you're just being a blind retarded fanboy.
All of you guys are idiots yelling angrily at eachother and not actually getting anything done.
One side wants to spout feces about why Kyoani is bad without actually listening to the oppposite.
The other side wants to spout feces about why Kyoani is amazing without listening to the opposite.
Both are wrong. Why the hell does all argument on the internet break down into this?
>All of kyoani's good shows and /a/'s favourite (FMP, Haruhi, Lucky Star, K-On, Amagi, Hyouka) belongs to other publishers
>Kyoani's shitty rock-bottom shows (Chuu, Tamako market, gay swimming, Kyokai no kanata, Phantom world) are their own
Being independent is great they said.
It's a good thing to not bend over to Kadokawa they said.
KyoAni's nailing it with these original designs.
>spout feces about why Kyoani is bad without actually listening to the oppposite.
But i do, anon. I listened to what the kyoanifags are about to say. But they're acting too defensive. Everytime i try to argue them about their favorite studio they go
>Their employees are high paid compared to other studios!
>But their working conditions are great!
>But their scheduling are excellent!
>They come and go home early!
>They're not like other studios!
>At least they're doing it for love!
>But muh kyoani shop!
>At least they train their own animators!
>At least they're rich from all the previous shows!
>At least they're located in Kyoto!
>At least they've got integrity!
They're like a broken record at this point. What can i do, anon? How do i convince them not to be disgusting fanatics that are embarrassing /a/ to the world?
>muh rinka butt
>Mori summer butt
Meanwhile leaving sento and the fae fanservice asides people enjoy and talk about other characters in Amagi, the mascots and Kanye are a clear example.
Who was Chu2 MC again? What was his friend's name?
And then it became shit and nobody cared anymore.
I bet you can say the same about SnK by the way. Wasn't there a Akame ga Kill thread with like 2k posts or some black magic shit too.
Just how small are Kyoani haters dicks are that they feel the need to take their anger on an studio.
And knowing how their autistic brain works I am sure that the must be thinking that I am kyoanifag but I am not. I think their shows are ridiculously boring. But I don't expend hours trying to convince people to stop liking them instead I just DON'T WATCH THEIR SHOWS.
Studio drama is truly cancer. Is nothing but "stop liking what I don't like" Do you think they care if a bunch of gaijin beat each other for them? They don't give a fuck. And neither you should.
Some times people just like thing you don't. Grow some balls and deal with it.
Are you implying KyoAni not treating their employees like shit, having excellent scheduling workflows, training their own animators, having integrity, having their own shop, and being economically stable are all bad things and we should hate them for that?
>people enjoy and talk about other characters in Amagi
Hah, I wish.
Everyone almost forgot about the mascots even though they're the best part of Amagi.
Losing how? By people stating opinions? I don't mind if you don't like any of their shows but you can't deny their shit is above average in terms of quality.
Anti-KyoAni fags parrot the same arguments as well. Sameface, forced animation, safe zone, moeshit, etc.
Shit is getting out of control. The other day I was in a thread that had nothing to do with Kyoani. And someone said something the VN adaptations and Clannad and that was enough to bring the "hurr durr kyoanus" shitposting. Funny because I never watched the show but apparently I am kyoanifag for knowing about the VN.
They also flip their shit if you ever say something good about the studio. Take me for example the only Kyoani show I know is Haruhi and I like it but that automatically makes a Kyoani fanboy
I know that their shit is above average quality. But that's not the problem here. The problem here is the kyoani fanbase just oozes arrogance and elitism that at this point they're just asking other fanbases to pick a fight. For example, the term 'kyoani finds a way' and 'are other anime studios even trying' are created by kyoani fans. How does that not sound provoking to other anonymous? /a/ is just too uncomfortable seeing other people on their high horses.
This issue doesn't have to be because of the studio. Replace kyoani with any studio like, madhouse and /a/ will react just the same with madhouse fans.
To really get them to ve inspired, we really should stop giving them tools to work and have them draw tge frames by hand with thier blood on discarded food wrappings. This is really the only way to get them to show their true skill
Are you even aware that these three letter are the very reason why you keep getting banned? Now fuck off, yurifag.
It just boggles my mind how they can deliver quality upon quality every season with no slip ups.
They're such a well respected brand and they never let it slip not once, Sure shows MIGHT be bad but the quality is always there.
I hope all of them have a blessed life for giving us Hyouka and Euphonium.