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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread: >>138591293
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I've always had a 'Work hard, play hard' attitude to life - I still do - but sometimes you get involved in something that needs a calm, methodical approach.
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今日も適当に頑張るかな
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
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I couldn't find a working download of Evolimit awhile ago (and now I cant torrent because NSA is handing over internet logs to local police) so I'm shit out of luck.
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>>138622578
>NSA is handing over internet logs to local police
They aren't. Be brave.
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>>138622578
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4249614
Just do it, faggot.
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Du gib up!

諦めんなDJT、僕だってにぽんご習ったぞ。

一番最強のアドバイスは、先ず、相手の目を見たら、スマイルをして、舌を出して、そして、早く走れ。そのようないつも勝ったぞ、おにいちゃん。
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>>138622595
https://privacysos.org/blog/fbi-will-now-be-able-to-search-through-nsa-intercept-data/
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さあさ

ゆめよ

さめぬ

ゆめよ

さらば

ともよ
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>>138622649
If you're so paranoid, just get a VPN. Liquid VPN is like 5 bucks.
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>>138622671
>paranoid
You what? Internet logs are being searching and handed over, and torrenting is an actual illegal act, 2 + 2 = ...
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>>138622702
>torrenting is an actual illegal act
Torrenting itself isn't illegal. And again, just use a VPN.
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>>138622743
Obviously, I mean torrenting copyrighted material.
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>>138622578
>Getting arrested for downloading a Chinese dating-sim
Do you really think this is going to happen?
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>>138622484
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>>138622760
Uhh yeah, I live in a country where smoking/owning weed puts you behind bars for years. The severity or relevance of a crime doesn't matter, its how much money they can earn by putting people into private prisons and how quickly can they fulfill arrest quotas.
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>>138622763
what
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>>138622783
>being this paranoid
No one really gives a fuck about the people who download things "illegally." Uploaders are the ones who get in trouble, if anyone.
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>>138622763
わからない
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>>138622870
With torrents, you upload as you download, hence why it's illegal. In other countries, downloaders (and thus uploaders) are persecuted. With these changes in laws, I would not be surprised if that became common here too. Thus, not torrenting. It's not paranoid to avoid commiting illegal crimes over the internet when internet behaviour is being monitored.
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>>138622828
>>138622880
Look at the image you dumb fucks.
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>>138622907
-> >>138622671
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>>138622927
Oh, I get it now.
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>>138622936
Yeah, I know. I was responding to the claim of paranoia.
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おそっ
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>>138622936
A VPN with two servers in the US and one in a country with a history of bending over of demands of international security alphabet agencies?

Good one.
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>>138622656
what is さあさ meaning for?
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>>138622763
>ビルゲイツみたい
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>>138622907
This is a fantasy scenario. There are literally billions of people torrenting worldwide. Only in extreme cases have people been persecuted, and those have been the major uploaders who shared hundreds of movies, thousands of songs and so on. It is paranoia. I'm going to assume you're either an old man or underage, because this is an unreasonable fear.
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>>138622640
All bokus need to kill themselves.
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>>138623103
Stop trying to force this meme.
It's fucking pathetic.
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>>138623065
I see plenty of people in the news being persecuted.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/02/20-1/30-year-old-unemployed-man-arrested-for-uploading-kingdom-manga
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>>138623103
ボケ
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>>138623103
This >>138623123.
We bokus have as much rights as anyone else. We are free to use whatever pronoun we like.
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>>138623123
It's not. Want to hear what is truly pathetic? Men taking dicks in their asses without protest and enjoying it.

>>138623160
Nah, bokus are scum.
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>>138623146
Those are always uploaders. Not people uploading while downloading (which can be disabled), but the people who initially shared the content. No one gives a flying fuck if you download something.

Go download your powerpoint porn.
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>>138623184
I'm gonna start using 僕 exclusively just to piss off people like you
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>>138623216
I know that's how its been up until *now*, but laws have changed that make it easier to prosecute, like I said.
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Can I survive visiting Japan with hiragana and katakana knowledge alone?
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>>138623269
>Can I survive visiting Finland because I can read Latin script?
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>>138623184
I'm bi and I use 僕. Fight me.
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>>138623226
I'll use run my posts through Google translate several times from now on to piss people like you off.

I, not only the time, began to publish my message several times to people like you to the outside through the Google search results in a variety of languages. FACE
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>>138623226
I will use my seats run by Google in stages from now to rely on people like you burn .

I not only the time , and began to publish my message in several awards at you like the outside , the Google search results in a variety of languages . FACE
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>>138623344
>>138623384
What the fuck are you doing with your one and only chance at being alive to piss it away by acting like a complete fucking moron on an anonymous image board on the Internet? If you don't give a shit about your life let us and know and I will gladly come and take it from you.
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>>138623384
>>138623344
This is just like the VN fan translations I used to read.
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Just learned my 1000th word today.
How long have some of you guys been studying for and how good are you?
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>>138623269
Well you won't die, at least.
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>>138622656
Oh our dreams.
We could we have dreams.
We have lost our good friends.
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>>138623418
Is this a new edgy pasta?
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>今後もお客様との対話の窓口として、より充実していくべく 努力してまいります。
We are working from here in an effort to provide an enriched window for customer interaction.

I still don't get how として works here. I think I get it to some extent, i.e., it modifies お客様との対話の窓口. I can't seem to grasp a big change in meaning with removing として from this sentence.

The examples on the DoJG pdf (として entry) were easy enough but I couldn't get how として was used in this next sentence as well.

戦争は大きな犠牲を伴うわけで、我々は何としてもこれを避けなければならない。
War is accompanied by great sacrifice, as you know, and we have to avoid it at any cost.

Any help?
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>>138623427
1.85 years
10,000~ words
O.K.
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>>138623017
Last I checked, they had servers in more than 10 different countries. Unless you consider Europe to be a single country. Wouldn't surprise me, honestly.
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身本(体)
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>>138623552
>体躯

うふふ。にほんごはやさしいけど、きびしいよ
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詠みましょう

刀かな
難しいです
好きじゃない

ロマン字が好き
猫も好き
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>>138623418
holy shit
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>>138623427
A year, and I only know 2.5k words.
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>>138623418
You're here too bud
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>>138623427
>4 months
>1000 words
>Have read through 5 chapters of よつばと!

Please, hold your applause.
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>>138623604
>ロマン字が好き

Die.
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>>138623639
I did 2000 words in 3 months.
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>>138623418
Do you, by acting like a complete Kusobaka anonymous image bulletin board on the Internet, that is alive to piss it away, you're doing it together at your only chance? I come willingly; if you do not give a shit about your life know let us, will you take from it.
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how the fuck do I remember readings

I always know what an expression means, but I keep messing up the kana reading
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How hard is the KonoSuba LN?

I feel like it'd be rather easy and enjoyable to read as a first LN. Having all the volumes as .epub would be nice though.
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>>138623680
Yeah, I was slacking off really hard on my reps in Jan/Feb.
Only recently started doing them again.
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>>138623680
And I did 3000 words in 3 months, you fucking idiot. Stop trying to lord it over other people you're only slightly better than.
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>>138623653
I second this.
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>>138623427
10 years, closing in on the halfway point of RTK.
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>>138623747
>Stop trying to lord it over other people
Stop assuming
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>>138623503
>>138623618
>>138623639
You guys have gone pretty far, would you mind telling me when I should start reading Yotsuba?
I would be very appreciative.
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>>138623797
Right after completing Tae Kim.
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>>138623797
Literally any time you want.

I started reading it halfway through TK and at ~700 words vocab.
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>>138623797
the very moment you read through tae kim once, so about 5 days in

get the reading pack
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>>138623714
HELP
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>>138623816
>>138623821
>>138623832
Thanks guys.
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>>138623861
Just grind the readings. Make sure you have audio if you're doing the core deck because it helps a lot.

Listening to japanese audio helps too
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>>138623797
日本の語
勉強は無駄
出来ないよ

諦めること
それしか無い
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>>138623874
It's funny because it's true, there are over 40.000 Kanji
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>>138623427
I don't know how many words I know, as I don't use Anki. I learn vocab exclusively through reading VNs with a text-hooker. After a year, only chuuni titles have me using Rikaisama in general. I don't need text-hooking for most moege/plotge.

My process was basically:
>tae kim
>radical deck in anki
>basic VNs (everything by union soft essentially)
>refer to DoJG when necessary
From when I first started learning Kana and reading Tae Kim, it took me exactly 2 weeks to start reading.
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>>138623797
What I think you should do is regardless of what ability you're at right now, try to read it anyway.
The first time I tried to read it, it was so difficulty.
It took me a very long time to even have any idea of what was being said.
I felt pretty dissuaded and gave up for a while.
A few weeks later I tried again from the start and it was still difficult but slightly easier then last time.
After a few chapters I started having a much easier time and was really enjoying myself.

Just try to read it now (as long as you at least know the basics of grammar), even if you think you might not be ready. If it seems hard, keep at it. It will get better.
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>>138623497
Cmon guys I need help....
Btw, I also don't remember any discussion in Tae Kim about 努力してまいります. (specifically まいります)
Does anyone know of a deconjugator program or site?
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>>138623917
Obviously you know how many stars the universe has right? Stupidest thing I heard today.
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>>138623958
In your experience, would you say that learning radicals is a good idea?
What kind of benefit could I expect from it?
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>>138624017
まいります is a conjugation of 参る. It's formal language. Here it's basically a more formal way of saying 努力していく

I'll leave it to someone else to do として, sorry
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>>138623497
>I still don't get how として works here.
It indicates role. "as".
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>>138624017
>>138624142
Oh, and as for parsing things, you can try ichi.moe but take it with a grain of salt as it sometimes parses things strangely.
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>>138624077
Not him but learning from simple to complex is always a good idea. Build on the basics as much as possible.
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>>138623497
>>138624017
>今後もお客様との対話の窓口として、より充実していくべく 努力してまいります
>So sorry. however we have no responsibility.

>戦争は大きな犠牲を伴うわけで、我々は何としてもこれを避けなければならない
>We should face our arms buildup.
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Started reading Ayakashibito. Disappointingly easy. Well, it's actually making me feel good because I didn't get blown the fuck out like Bradyon Veda. The reason for this is because so far Ayakashibito hasn't had any long spiels of 専門語 like BV did with its unending physics stuff.
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>>138624017
dojg
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>>138624169
I get that it works that way however I couldn't get how it works specifically for that sentence. I mean DoJG lists として as (in capacity as; as, in the role of) (or something like that).

i.e, if I were to translate it literally, it would mean 'In the capacity of customer interaction' which doesn't make sense to me. Am I missing something?

>>138624142
Thanks.
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Friendly reminder that JLPT registration opens today
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>>138624227
>imouto speaks both japanese, english, and corporate-ese
impressive
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>>138624248
That's why I always recommend Propeller titles as an entry into the chuuni subgenre. The only real difficulty in Ayakashibito is your knowledge about Japanese folklore. There's a lot of infodumping in that regard that gets confusing as fuck. Nothing a Google search can't solve.
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>>138624324
窓口 means 'point of contact' according to rikai so it would mean "We will work harder to be a better point of contact for customer interaction"
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>>138623913
>日本の語

ワロター
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>>138624324
It's being used as in "To improve oneself as a parent" for example. To improve that aspect of oneself so to speak.
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>>138624362
I'm looking up about as many words as I do in a moege, even. Not a bad thing just not something I was expecting.

My goal for studying is to read adult Sci-Fi novels, because right now they're the hardest things I know, so it's reasonable to make them into a goal. So in terms of studying reading VNs like this doesn't seem to be a very efficient process which makes me hesitate to do so. I'm stuck in that uncomfortable mid point being intermediacy (sic) and fluency where to bridge the gap I just need to read a lot of easy material (which is just about everything) however reading that easy material feels like a waste due to all the time spent pushing myself. How troubling.
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The mini 多読 is coming up for March (15th~31st)! Anons who are interested in pushing themselves to read more should join, no matter what level you're at.

Picture books, graded readers, children's books, news articles for kids, manga, games, VNs, light novels, adult novels all of it is fine! Just read at your own level + try to reach your goal # of pages. If you're motivated by dick waving contests (a lot of people here seem to be) there is a leaderboard, too.

What is 多読? (tldr: read, read, read!) https://readmod.wordpress.com/category/how-to/

Sign up:
-you will need a twitter acct (make a throwaway one for this if you don't already have one)
-you need to follow the @TadokuBot account, this is how your # of pages is tracked
http://readmod.com/ranking

頑張ってね
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>>138624383
>>138624430
Thanks, I think I understand now.
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>>138624452
Does Japan even have a SF scene now?
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>>138624468
I'll pass on this one. I tried doing the 52 book challenge a few years ago and found that it killed all enjoyment of reading for me -- I was reading just to fill my 1 book a week requirement.
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>>138624478
I don't know but I'm interested in a lot of older titles like Legend of Galactic Heroes, 9S and 宇宙海兵隊 ギガース. But really, I just really don't like being of the level where I can't just read anything in Japanese without caring that it's in Japanese. For example if I see a nukige or moege or something I'm interested in I'll DL and read it no problem without breaking a sweat. But if I see a cool untranslated SCI-FI novel/manga/etc then I'm just fucked to either not read it or otherwise struggle through it with a dictionary which I don't want to do. I really don't like that.
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>>138624678
>I'm just fucked to either not read it or otherwise struggle through it with a dictionary

You can use one of them word mining programs then
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>>138624688
You mean texthookers? I have been reading LOGH in firefox via rikai but it's obnoxiously slow going. And every scene without Yan and Reinhardt battling or being cool is hard to sit through.
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>>138624506
Did your Japanese improve any?
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>>138624506
You know, this post may have just opened my eyes. I've been stressing a lot about reading a proper amount of Japanese, reading 5 hours a day, studying hard... but maybe that's not necessary. Maybe I should just be reading what interests me, when I find it, and being satisfied with that. Don't let Japanese dominate my life. Sure, it'll slow progress, but what do I care? In truth the only reason I stress so much about progress is the fact that I want to be able to converse easily with natives and not embarass myself in front of friends and family who know I've been studying Japanese for a long time (advice: if people know you know Japanese, they will want to go to Japan and take you along to do the speaking). Perhaps it's best to let that anxiety slide off, keep up with reps, and just have a good time with life.

The only problem with this though is that I'd of course want to keep up anki and I don't have enough unseen cards to keep up my pace of new words without substantial reading. So I guess I'm compelled to either way.
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>>138624746
No, I mean the one that pre-mines words for you. It's in the guide I think.

>>138624765
That was in English, sorry if you misunderstood.
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>>138624359
Fuck off samefag.
Avatarfagging is against the rules and your presence here is cancer.
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>>138625185
>i'm gay
Good to know, mate!
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I keep having really bad experiences with Japanese people, so I'm not sure if I want to keep learning this language anymore. Dekinai is really close to winning and I don't want to give up but damn
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>>138625305
>caring about the language-speakers
kill yourself baka desu senpai
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>>138625305
What kind of "really bad experiences"?
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Surprising fact: Volume 1 of LOGH has only 2028 kanji
I tried parsing all 10 volumes at once but the program crashed
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>>138625532
Well, it began when I went down on this Japanese guy in a bathroom stall. I literally had to scrape smegma off my tongue afterwards.
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Total kanji in all of logh: 2713
Data can be found here: http://pastebin.com/hX9Y18zA
the number represents how many volumes the kanji appeared in. For example, 10 is all 10 volumes, 5 is just 5 volumes, etc etc.

I'll try and get similar data for vocab count but the program may crash due to size, plus vocab parsing is way less reliable than kanji parsing.
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>>138626038
I'd be interested to know how many times each Kanji was used yeah.
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>>138626093
http://pastebin.com/GJxEZUwf
Huh. Seems like a single kanji went missing. How mysterious.

Here are the VOCAB stats. http://pastebin.com/Q32uRvGs
Appears to be 23,755 words. Pretty low, or perhaps pretty high. This was generated with MeCab. Will do another run through with JParser too see variance. Will take awhile to process so will post again.
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>>138623103
>not liking ボクっ娘
What's fucking wrong with you.
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And finally, Jparser vocab count.
http://pastebin.com/NK4ppay0
25,192. Higher, and seems to have more accurate results. Good stuff. Hope this is useful to someone.
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>>138626395
>ボクっ娘
It's a word? Dammit. Boku girls are my fetish and I didn't even know this.
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>>138626449
>Boku girls are my fetish
FYI the pink haired girl in 恋騎士_PurelyKiss is a 僕っ娘
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神の言
お前が知らぬ
馬鹿な人

糞外人よ
早く死ね
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>>138626482
>Sword Wielding Heroine
Holy shit double fetish. Added, thanks.
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>>138626038
>2713
holy shit, there goes my dreams of reading LoGH

>>138624983
>pre-mines
How does one do this? I couldn't find anything from the guide regarding this.
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>>138626537
Its lower than Muramasa by 300 which is good
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>>138626292
>>138626448
That's great anon. Would you let those pastebins available to everyone? I feel like it could be interesting to mine from it.
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>>138626574
They're public, what do you mean make them available to everyone?
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>>138626609
I was asking if you'd let them so or if you plan on deleting or make them private somehow, because if you do I'd like to copy paste them before you do so.
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>>138626770
All of this data is less than a meg so you should probably DL it anyway, but either way, I pasted it as a guest user so I can't delete it.
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>>138624478
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiun_Award
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Starting to wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to learn readings by Kanji. I know how to write already as well as all the meanings so I'm fine in that regard but grinding vocab is just too annoying.

I know you guys are going to call me a retard but let's put that aside for a second and go with what I said : how would one go about learning all the readings individually? Although I'm an RTK fag RTK2 is just too bad. KD would also be bad since I believe the goal of KD is to learn Kanji and a few of their readings by making stories based on it? Since I already did RTK it'll overlap and just confuse me, on top of making me waste a lot of time. Wanikani perhaps? I don't know much about this.

Thoughts?
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>>138628566
Why not learn readings as you encounter them in vocabulary?
That way as you go each reading will also be attached to various vocabulary words that it belongs to in your mind.

As far as I know this is pretty much the one thing that DJT can almost unanimously agree on, that learning a list of readings for each individual kanji is a waste of time.
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>>138628566
>I already know this is retarded, but just HOW do I do this retarded thing?

>These two tools that actually help people going down this "retard path" are bad. Memory tricks are going to hurt me, since I've done half the work already.

>Should I go through this method that is behind a paywall and intentionally made to be really slow perhaps?

Take a step back anon, it's time to stop posting.
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>>138628823
This is what I've been doing and this is most certainly what I'm going to keep doing but I was just wondering about other viable methods.

>>138628839
There is a Wanikani deck in the guide anon. Well meme'd also, 10/10.
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>>138628566
Yeah, WK is perfect for you.
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>>138628962
When the Portuguese were in Japan then they didn't know Japanese and no one was there to help them learn, but they knew that if they kept trying then one day they would understand Japanese. If the Portuguese just said, "This language is too hard. We're going back home. We're giving up." then our chance to learn Japanese would have died in 16th century. But the Portuguese said, "I don't care what we have to go through! We're going to learn this language!"

Decades of working every day to learn a language that no other westerner had ever even encountered, and now we have people in 2016 who can't get through a couple hundred reps or a few hours of reading? We have access to resource after resource designed to teach us this language and people are still quitting and saying that it's too hard?

The problem is that most of us have never felt any pain. This is a soft generation filled with people that quit on everything. The Portuguese did not quit! They not only learned Japanese, but they wrote entire dictionaries! They said, "Sure, I did it. I can understand Japanese, but that's not enough for me. Now I'm going to go all the way back to the beginning and write a dictionary!" and we've got people quitting on anki reps?

This generation might be soft, but the blood of those early pioneers who learned Japanese is still within us! Maybe you're only studying for a few hours and thinking that you've given it your all. Come on! Your all is a lot more than you know! You've got more inside of you to give! Don't sell yourself so short!
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>>138629085
That pic basically sums up why Japanese is completely retarded.

I wish anime culture had been made by the French or something.
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>>138629224
If you don't want to do it, then complaining about it here isn't going to help. Get out of here, you're done and wasting your own time.

If you do, then complaining here ALSO isn't going to help. You only get out what you put into it.

Reading this might help explain the "retarded" issue, as well.
http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
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>>138629085
This is the best post that has ever come out of /djt/
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>>138629224
Les mystérieuses cité d'or off the top of my head, google brings up others:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=574431

Any other complaints?
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Anyone have the Yotsubato Anki deck? It's not in the CoR.
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I'm just getting started but I feel the need to say, the CoR really is a goddamn cornucopia. It's so dense, it's like pottery. Even if a lot of it has only been harvested from elsewhere online, it's still a great thing to have; a great resource.

Thanks to everyone for putting it together.
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How does /djt/ add audio files to their deck? Is everybody just using the rikaisama feature? Or is there some larger database with pronunciations available somewhere?


>>138629715
It's in the pastebin
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>>138629335
>>138629405
I wasn't anon who was asking for help, I was just baiting. Also I'm French actually so I already watched that one.
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>>138629335
>>138629678
Thanks for taking the time to find those links though.
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>>138622578
I have the image files of literally every VN I've ever read on external HDDs. If my upload speed wasn't shit, I'd upload them to Mega for CoR use. Go ahead and just torrent Evolimit, though. Chances of getting in trouble for torrenting a JP only VN are nonexistent.
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I'm going through the WK anki deck and there are some cards like this. Does anyone know if the majority are like this or just a handful?
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>>138629085
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(sailor)
I just want to note that a british sailor who shipwrecked and landed on Japanese shores, gaining fluency through sheer exposure, was instrumental in bridging the language gap between us
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>>138630959
It's in the main "Guide" section under "Practice."
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>>138630959
http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c

CTRL-F Reading Pack
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Can any of you actually read numbers easily and do math in Japanese? I have a hard time reading even small numbers in Japanese. Even when I make an effort to try and read them in Japanese I still read 47 as "forty seven" and not 「よんじゅうなな」 at first glance.
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>>138630426
Has anyone read Shogun? Any good?
Also:
>gaining fluency through sheer exposure
How does this even happen?
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>>138631642
The same way babies learn how to talk. You start associating vocalizations with concepts, and then move up from there.
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Any ideas of the words?
Thanks in advance.
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>>138631898
濃い
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>>138631898
Forgot to add 薄い
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>>138631624
I'm a big autist in that regard and for the longest time I've had a really hard time with numbers in Japanese, as well as giving time and such. Even 2-3 years after I started that shit was just too hard.

But somehow after a while it got better and now I don't have any problem anymore. I remember bringing up this topic once and a DJT anon gave me a good reply about this issue of mine, basically saying that the reason we are good with numbers in our own language is because we've used them many many times, like at school and everything. Because you read some TaeKim chapter or whatever about numbers and learned how to count in a day or two doesn't mean you've mastered numbers.

So yeah, don't worry anon, it'll be fine in the long run, don't be too hard on yourself or anything, one day it'll just feel right. Just force yourself reading them in Japanese whenever they come but that's it, leave the rest to time.
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How would you refer to flavour in the context of shit like different flavoured crisps? Like ready salted, cheese and onion etc

Is it just 味?
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>>138632154
yea
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>>138628566
Have you finished all of RTK1 anon?
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>>138631930
>>138631968
Thanks
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>>138632703
RTK1 + RTK3 yes. Currently half way through core2k6, I also cleared N5 N4 vocab decks at 100% (full blue/green).

I'm not planning on giving up on Japanese or wasn't even complaining about it as other anons suggested, I just wanted to talk about this topic in particular that's all.

Why are you asking?
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>>138631642
Listen to this through to the second lesson
https://youtu.be/shgRN32ubag?t=21m12s

Since the real world isn't so kind, somewhere inbetween these two types of lessons.
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>>138632901
What are you wearing?
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>>138626537
>2713
>holy shit, there goes my dreams of reading LoGH
It's important to consider some factors. First, LoGH is 10 volumes long, so it's like 2,713 kanji over 10 different novels. Second, of those kanji, 251 only appear once, meaning only 2,462 appear multiple times. Furthermore, if you push it a little more, only 2084 appear 5 or more times. So realistically speaking, you can tackle LoGH with 2084-2462 kanji and theoretically handle it pretty easily (theoretically because of course there's no guarantee the kanji you know will be in LoGH)
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>>138632935
I just have my pantsu and a light top at the moment anon.
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>>138626537
>2713
Pshhh, that's nothing. Muramasa has like 3100 unique kanji and takes over a 100 hours to read at native pace. Unattainable.
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>>138632980
what this really means is boxers and a white t shirt

and this person weighs no less than 300 pounds
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>>138633157
Reminds me of that guy over vndb, I forgot the name and it seems I didn't save the picture with all of his quotes. Can someone post it?
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>>138633325
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>>138633325
What was the context? Was it the famed Clephas trying to convince someone he had attained fluency through machine translations and text hooking?
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>>138633425
Yeah here >>138633413, thanks.
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>>138633413
Couldn't force the meme on /jp/ so you resigned to spam it on DJT?
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>>138633583
? He asked for the image
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>>138633413
Clephas is a fucking retard, no doubt about that, but that method is ironically widely regarded as the best way of getting reading practice and acquiring vocab these days.
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>>138631898
いい農薄
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>>138633583
Are you retarded? Anon asked for it to be posted. I hadn't seen this posted on DJT in a very long time now.
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You can do it, anon!
I know you can learn Japanese!
Don't give up!
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>>138633637
The fact that he had the image on the computer means what I said still applies. He's come up recently in this thread a few other times too.
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I *need* caffeine pills to study effectively these days. I pop like 200 - 400mg pills every day. Energy drinks are too expensive, and I can't focus worth shit without a caffeine rush.
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>>138633709
Kill yourself really, you're either fucking stupid or Clephas himself getting butthurt over a meaningless picture.
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>>138633709
Kill yourself you salty ass nigga
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>>138633803
I haven't gotten to the point of using pills yet, but I think that would be more effective. I just use lots of tea/coffee.
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>>138633709
Fucking retard.
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>>138633803
And this is why you stay away from pills of any kind, kids
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>>138633864
>I just use lots of tea/coffee.
Bad for your teeth to be honest. Not that it stops myself either.
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>>138633824
>>138633862
>>138633870
Hit a nerve, did I?
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>>138633641
The main reason Clephas' "method" gets shit is specifically the line
>Playing VNs without a text hooker isn't realistic even for most people that do know Japanese
On /jp/ using a texthooker is pretty taboo, because you know so many language learners go to post there and it's pretty annoying, so the people who know Japanese have developed condescension towards them and their activities. So clephas' quote here earns much ire.

Plus look at his line here
>I still hate to play moege-type without a hooker
Because he uses romaji so much on his texthooker he's bad at reading without it which is objectively bad. I know I haven't veen studying for 2 years yet but reading moege without a hooker is not a problem at all. So that part of his method absolutely deserves ire because it's fucking him up.
>>138633709
Sometimes you've got to admit that a meme is a meme and nobody's forcing it
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>>138633967
>XD i was only pretending to be retarded!! trolled !!!!!!!!11
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>>138633920
My teeth are fucked anyway.
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>>138633803
You are addicted and can't focus due to withdrawal symptoms
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>>138633973
>Sometimes you've got to admit that a meme is a meme and nobody's forcing it
It was pretty clearly just one person spamming about him in the VN thread.
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>>138634060
No lots of people talk about him. Kind of like moogy, kirby/vvav, habluka, whoever, people talk about other people
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>>138634011
No no don't worry. You actually are retarded.
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>>138634011
Stop replying to him
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>>138633413
>>138633641
>>138633973
Honestly I don't know the guy or anything that may have happened but just judging by this image, although he does sound a bit odd and says a bunch of stupid and inconsistent things, I wouldn't go as a far as saying as "his method" sucks or anything.

Isn't that's what everyone does anyway? Learning the basics and readings VNs with a parser whatever?
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>>138634178
Yeah of course no one's shitting on that in particular. It's just the "always use a texthooker" and romaji thing. Not a big deal of course, just fun to meme about.
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>>138633803
Cut down your caffeine, drink some herbal tea instead to help you relax. Get good sleep. The brain doesn't work well when you're constantly pushing it with caffeine, it needs a break just like your body does after exercising. On that note, go running to release endorphins to make you feel better and relieve more stress.
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>>138634091
>kirby/vvav
Only on /vg/ and because he actually posts there.
>moogy
True
>habluka
Another forced meme.. At least for a while it was just one poster who kept bringing him up any time someone had different tastes. The people who have been reading VNs for a while don't go to vndb forums or TLwiki or anything so we don't even know who these people are except for the spamming by the new generation.
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>>138633973
The more "recent" DJT certified text-hooking method with ITHVNR + Firefox/Rikaisama is far better. It's essentially just raw text with a mouseover dictionary. No parsing, furigana, romaji or any other bullshit third wheel.
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>>138634330
>le 4chan meme detective
Is your existence so pathetic? Getting worked up over internet people?
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I'm trying to be realistic about the idea of working in japan for a long period of time. I don't want to lose the flat that i have now for a short term goal.

Are there any other teaching program like JET that have contracts for less than a year?
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>>138634298
That's not it. I have short bowel syndrome. Severe vitamin deficiencies regardless of liquid supplements and shots. Caffeine is the only way for me to focus. I'll probably be dead before I can actually utilize this language I'm learning.
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>>138634413
I'm angry because the /jp/ thread used to be good and isn't anymore, yes.

I place half the blame on people like you and the other half on the fact that VNs just aren't as good these days.
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>>138634492
Eternal november dude
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do you ever picture the voice actors going UGHHH WUEE AHHHHHHH SLURP SLURP in their booths during the anime food scenes
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>>138634492
>VNs just aren't as good these days
Visual novels have always been terrible, nothing has changed.
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>>138634540
Neah shit actually changed drastically since the creation of /vg/. For example, hadler (and other people I think, but it's all anon so who knowsd) used to actually post reviews in the VN thread and now it's just a couple people referencing his twitter.
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>>138634487
>Severe vitamin deficiencies regardless of liquid supplements and shots
How? You're making me worry that me supplements might not work for me either here mate
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>>138634688
You would know that was false if you actually read VNs. 2009-2012 were great in comparison to now.
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>よくわからん
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Where do you guys listen to Japanese podcasts? Radios?
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>>138634958
http://www.tbsradio.jp/ss954/podcast/index.html
Is nice
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>>138635044
Thanks anon.
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>>138632901
Sorry I wasn't idling on djt that much the past months so I didn't see your reply even though you replied me 5 mins after.

I hope you see this even if my reply is an hour too late. I'm somewhat hesitant to give you this advice because from what you've been saying so far, I think number-wise you know more, far more kanji in quantity than I do.

However, are you familiar with the term 意符 音符 and 形声文字? All kanji books worth it's salt would teach you about those three terms. I actually have RTK1 but I never read the intros so I don't know if it's ever explained there or not.

If you know what the three terms means, it will helps you immensely with figuring out how to read words, and you may not even have to grind vocab that much.

How to read. Let me give an example, 義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲 all are using a variation of 義. Even if you don't know the meaning of all 4 words, you can "guess" that it’s possibly a ギ, if you are aware of what 形声文字 means and how prevalent it is in Japanese.

So in another example, a 交 can take 交通 学校 効力 郊外 and and you can guess that it's probably a コウ.

Now, you just have to remember that 較 is カク instead of コウ from knowing the word 比較.

That will cut your vocabs grinding by some degree I'd assume.

If you already know how to read, thankfully a lot of japanese words are not 当て字 so while I may never heard the word 校歌 before, I can guesswork that it has something to do with "school" and "song".

Now when it's 当て字, you can guesswork right away if it's 当て字 now that you've finished RTK1. In 寿司, 兎に角, or 目茶苦茶 the kanji is just used for it' sound.

A big percentage of words are 形声文字 so if you have 3,000 kanji in you or whatever is the amount of RTK3 is, just start reading more.

Of course you have to pay attention to irregular readings, and that's where Anki and exposure helps.
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>>138634958
What's the point? Japanese people just aren't funny.
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>>138635930
There are more to podcasts than just comedy though. I want some listening comprehension aside from anime/VNs and I don't like dramas so I guess podcasts are my best bet.
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>>138634779
Alright I have something to ask.

Can you give top 5 VN recommendations for people that can read most manga without a problem? So maybe, not N1 level, but way above N2.

2) How about VN for beginners that just finished reading Tae Kim and Core 6k? What's your top 5?

3) Lastly, what's your personal top 5 regardless of people's 日本語能力?
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>>138636111
you do realize both 1 and 2 are unreasonable requests

figure out how to entertain yourself instead of put it on someone else to steer you in a direction
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>>138636216
The guy said he has been reading tons of VNs and that VNs these days are not as good as VNs from years back.

He portrayed himself as someone who have lots of hours playing VNs. I want to hear his opinion to my questions. I'm not asking him recommendations for myself per se.

Did you read the context of the chain replies before typing your reply?
Or are you just being argumentative towards me just for the sake of being argumentative?
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>>138636381
youre asking people for top 5 lists. just shut up

also if you dont understand how unreasonable it is to ask for vn recommendations for various gaijin milestones of study, then youre actually retarded
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>>138636535
I'm not going to engage with you anymore. You have a nice day and good luck with your Japanese study. I hope everything goes well for you.
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>>138636111
> Lastly, what's your personal top 5 regardless of people's 日本語能力?
Just check the lies of 2ch votes for VNs by year and look at the years 2009-2012

My preferences are pretty similar to everyone elses except that I don't like super chuuni stuff.
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>tfw planning two and a half weeks trip to Japan
hold me anons
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>>138636686
勉強することなんてもう必要ない
日本になったから
俺は・・日本

君に幸あれ
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>>138637003
Where exactly are you going?
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>>138637049
I don't have an exact route planned yet, but I'll probably go all over the place. Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka, stopping at an Onsen for two or three days on my way to Hokkaido, or at least that's how I'm imagining it. I just got started looking around for all the things to be done today and I'm already stoked as fuck.
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>>138637207
dont do all the touristy shit. rent a motorcycle and just drive it up north, letting the wind be your guide

figure out where to eat and when to sleep when you get hungry and sleepy accordingly

also make sure you roll through tohoku and see how devastated it still is
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>>138637207
Nice, good for you anon. I think what I'd like to see the most is 北海道. If I'm lucky enough, I might go this year or the next.
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>>138635753
Thanks for your comment. Funny enough
>義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲
>義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲
I've started seeing those in core and wondered the same thing, "they all got the same main radical and are all pronounced the same way... it's gonna make things easier". Your explanation confirms all the things my brain seems to have guessed on its own.

>That will cut your vocabs grinding by some degree I'd assume.
The order cards are in core is rather nice in that aspect, pretty sure it was built that way actually.

Once again although my original comment was worded perhaps a bit too strongly I wasn't really complaining. It's true I can write 3k Kanji and so I can tell Kanji apart very easily but I'm still kinda just barely started when it comes to vocab, I'm just 3000 cards in core after all (doing 50 a day). These past days I've actually found things getting a bit better, so if I just keep at this pace it'll be fine I'm sure. My brain just needs time to adjust and gets used to it.

I'm tired so I'll sleep now.
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>>138630230
Install wakafont
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>>138637472
>http://ysjapanese.wp-x.jp/2016/01/phonetic-components-of-kanji/
Here's a good list of examples of these kind components
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>>138634487
I always need coffee and a smoke before starting to learn.
I'm going to die sooner than you.
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>>138637912
Interesting, thanks.
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got a couple quick questions.

is there a difference between the "topic" that the -はparticle indicates and the subject of a sentence? I know you can switch topics using はbut I'm having ahard time seeing why i see people making the distinction.

second. I heard a phrase in a song i ended up trying to break down to understand the particles it uses
>音楽が好きな気持ち 誰にも止められない
which the subs translated as
>The feeling you like music can't be stopped by anyone
What's killing me is that が。 like, I get that 好き is describing きもち and not 音楽, but what is the が indicating it as an object to? the 好きな気持ち (as the object of desirable feelings) or the 止められない (the object of not being stopped)?

based on the translation, i could guess it's the former, but the structure kinda looks like it's both at once? the subject of the translation is the "feeling" while "music" is some kind of weird adjective (my grammar is rusty but it's certainly not the subject), but the whole phrase ("feeling" described by "liking music") is the object of "not being stopped"
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>>138638357
>is there a difference between the "topic" that the -はparticle indicates and the subject of a sentence? I know you can switch topics using はbut I'm having ahard time seeing why i see people making the distinction.
Yes. Here is an example:

俺「おれ」は魚「さかな」が好「す」きだ。
About me, I love fish. (Or less literal, I like fish.)
Here, は marks what it is you're talking about (in this case, me). It marks the topic of the sentence. The rest is just a comment on the topic (魚が好きだ).
が here is used to mark the subject to which the property 好き is applied to. Can you see the difference?
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>>138637912
It struck me that this list would be nice as small anki deck. With the provision that there are exceptions.
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>>138637912
If anyone's interested, here is the thesis on which the Tofugu article that the guy used was based : https://sdsu-dspace.calstate.edu/bitstream/handle/10211.10/1203/Townsend_Hiroko.pdf?sequence=1
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>>138626292
What program did you use?
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>>138638357
just read ty kim dude

if you do that youll learn those and many other things
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Do you think Snake's "Kept you waiting" is just a literal translation of おまたせ?
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>>138638986
FEEL
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>>138638576
yes, 魚 is the subject of an adjective but it's not being talked about, 俺 is

>>138638726
forgot about that. looking right now
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>>138638357
1. Stop relying completely on fan translations other than to help you understand the gist of the sentence.
Example, Mangastream translates a line なんて不運だ into "what a shitty luck". That's a translation choice made by the translator. I would choose to translate 不運 into "misfortune" instead of "shitty luck", and Viz official translation chose "misfortune" also.

2. Due to language difference, it's hard to equate what the English language called a "subject" and equates it 1:1 to Japanese は and が。

Don't take my word 100% on this because I learned japanese fundamentals before I ever was on djt but from what I was taught about は and が, the gist of it is this,

は is "pointing attention to a topic on which comments are made"

が is "marker of introductory statements" and also "light contrast"

3. Read the theoretical difference between は and が in published books specifically catered to grammars, like DoJG or particles books.

4. Read more.
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>>138639104
Exactly, because Japanese is a so called topic–comment language. The best explanation of the difference between は and が is in the DOBJG. Also, you might want to check out the book A handbook of particles which has a lot of information on it.
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>>138636111

Just read whatever you're interested in.
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>>138637472
>>138638196
Kanji books worth it's salt will teach you that. There is a plus and minus to RTK series but RTK2 simplified the process and you can see the 形声文字 in action.
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>>138624468
>tfw can't think of a username because everything's taken
助けて
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>>138640025
How about chamcham?
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>>138640142
Taken

I look at the books around me for inspiration but everything is taken. I wouldn't mind if the name was djt inspired but I can't think of anything.
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>>138640437
JLPTN1INSEVENYEARS ?
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>>138640497
Too long. It cuts it off.
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>>138638724
JapaneseTextAnalysisTool from the OP
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>>138640567
DekinaiBestGirl
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>>138640437
How about "GRecoSucks"?
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>>138640567
N1N7YRS
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>>138640708
I went with this one, although it is depressing because it reminds me of how long I've been trying to learn without getting to a high level.

I went on and didn't select anything for my "interests" but they still recommended Japanese accounts. The fact that they're always monitoring where I go is creeping me out.
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>>138640976
>it reminds me of how long I've been trying to learn without getting to a high level.
Seven years?
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I finally got around to transfering the descriptions of the dynamic to the static reading list. Hopefully it'll be done in the next hour.
Remember that if you just finished a VN/LN/whatever, you can contribute to the reading list by including it in the dynamic list (along with a little description of the difficulty) and I'll fill up the details (descriptions, type, etc) and add it to the static reading list.
This will help other anons to choose what to read and we'll be able to simply link the reading list instead of listing the descriptions of multiple VNs for instance.
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>>138641166
I started formally in 2010 but after a few years did nothing with it. Then I found DJT and started to make actual progress. I'm close to an N2 level now so I guess if I really work hard I could get N1 the year after next. In that case it would take me seven years which is just way too long.
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>>138641380
>I started formally in 2010
And I thought I was lame for slacking off for a year.
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>>138637207
I went a year or two ago. Highly recommend renting bikes in Kyoto. Best part of the trip, although we went when the weather was perfect for it.
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It keeps saying I'm banned but my ban expired today at 12 today, and 4chan.org/banned says I'm not banned, so if this is a double post or something it is because of a bug, not spam.

Alright, I just finished hirigana on realkana, and I am wondering what to do now. Should I start Genki 1 or learn katakana? Also, I downloaded a pdf of Genki 1, will that work or do I need the cd and workbook?
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>hunter x hunter is getting reserialized again
How easy is it to get a hold of raws quickly for manga? From what I've heard scanlations groups are pretty reluctant to share them. Or can you basically get them from nyaa or somewhere as soon or even earlier than the scanlations get out? Generally speaking.
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>>138641779
fuck off leddit
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>>138641739
>hirigana
I hope this is bait. Otherwise, read the guide.
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Did you learn/memorize the vocabulary on Tae Kim? Is it even worth doing? Or would it be better to learn by reading compelling content?

Do you guys take notes?
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>>138641739
>learn katakana
You should.
>will that work
It will.
>do I need the cd
The audio material is available online. I think there's a torrent with it on TPB. I think you should use it. The conversations are good listening practice.
>and workbook
Nah.
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>>138641429
Yeah, I'm pretty dumb but I'm getting there.
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>>138641865
Tae Kim says not to bother with it. I didn't make an anki deck, but a lot of words will stick anyway. You're better off doing Core 2k at the same time though.
Yes I usually take notes, but it's not really that efficient. It's just because I like to have notes that I can reflect on, and writing helps me remember what I'm learning. It's not useful for most of the people though.
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>>138641739
Katakana then Genki then play Little Charo.
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>>138641978
thanks senpai.
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>>138641865
It's only there to help you understand the example sentences. You can just ignore it and use Rikaisama to speed up the process.
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Has anyone played Mother 3 here? How difficult would you rate it?
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>>138642469
9 dekinais out of 10
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Playing Rance 01, and ran into something I realized I'm unsure of.

やばい、見つかったか?
ここで騒ぎを起こす訳にはいかん。
ひとまず撤退だ!

I've never seen it before, so I'm curious about the meaning of "いかん" here.

On that note, I never really got a sense for には as a particle, if it's not too much trouble, could I get an explanation on that? The DOJG's explanation is useful, but I can't quite get it.

Of course, I think Rance is saying something along the lines of

"Shit, have I been discovered?"
Then it's something about making noise where he is.
"I should retreat, for now."

For context, he's sneaking around an all girls school.
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>>138642647
訳にはいかん is slang for 訳にはいかない, it's a fixed expression. Look it up in Tae Kim.
As for には, it really depends on context. It can mean 'in regard to', as in 'concerning'. It can also mean 'in order to'.
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>>138641865
I learned only the pronunciation and meaning, and learned the kanji later on Anki.
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>>138642647
Something something, can't afford to raise a commotion here, I should GTFO.
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>>138642469
It's a pretty easy, almost no grinding or strategy required.
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>>138642934
I was talking about the Japanese only, I already know the difficulty of the game itself. Thanks anyway, anon.
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>>138642766
Damnit, that makes more sense. Rance constantly drops sounds, so I should have expected as such. Didn't know it was a fixed expression though, thanks.

It's been way too long since I read Tae Kim, I think a re-read is due.
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>>138642973
Whoops, my bad. I played it in English, but I'd assume it's around the same difficulty as Earthbound, which the reading list classifies as beginner level.
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>>138642469
I'm pretty sure it's in all kana. Shouldn't be too hard.
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>>138623958
>union soft
I can't find them. Maybe I'm missing something ?
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>>138643085
Yeah that's pretty usual slang. As long as you keep exposing yourself to more native content, it'll become second nature.
What I did was skim through it and note every grammar point I didn't understand. When I had a trouble in a VN/LN/manga, I would check if it was on the list and then just jump back to the Tae Kim to read the section in more details.

>>138643090
That's fine don't worry. I loved Earthbound (the US version) so I figured I'd try to play Mother 3.

>>138643205
Well, that's a reason why I'm asking. I played Pokemon Silver in Japanese and the kana were killing my eyes. I guess it's better than overly-pixelated kanji.
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>>138643252
Pretty sure meant Union Shift. They have a billion subsidiaries who release a billion easy to read VNs. https://vndb.org/p262
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>>138643205
after doing anki all this time, i struggle with kana only stuff sometimes
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>>138643366
I absolutely hate all-kana as well. It's a complete mess to read.
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>>138643265
That's a pretty good idea, I've been doing that with the DOJG for the most part - I just finished playing through Evenicle, actually. I'm not far into 01, but the writing style between the two games is pretty different and I'll need to reference a lot of new stuff.

I like that Tae Kim breaks it down into a much easier to understand format, I really should use his guide as a reference more often.
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>>138643359
Oh, thank you.
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>>138643444
I never got around to playing Evenicle, did you enjoy it? Yeah TK is great for a quick reference. It gets straight to the point, whereas the DOJG is really exhaustive and detailed.
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>>138643556
I did, yeah. It was pretty good, I really enjoyed it. I'd give it an 8/10, and that's as a longtime fan of RPGs/JRPGs.

It's the first bit of native material I've ever fully played through, and it served as fantastic practice - I've started to be able to piece together basic sentences on my own thanks to it, and how damn long it is. I think it took me something like 120-130 hours total. Learned a ton of vocab, though, and it beats textbook study any day of the week.

Trying to play through the entire Rance series now as a way to have fun and study - I always wanted to play through the series anyways.
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>>138643729
>I really enjoyed it. I'd give it an 8/10
What would you give a 10/10 then?
Evenicle was the best game I've ever played.
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>>138643729
I'll have to try it. Perhaps when I finish Dragon Quest V.
You might want to play Chrono Trigger then. There's a full transcript available somewhere online if I recall correctly. You can simply use rikai as you progress through the story.
I never played through Sengoku Rance. I have so many stuff I want to read/play through.
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>>138643807
Cliché as fuck, but I'd give a 10/10 to Tales of Vesperia, Legend of Dragoon, and FFVI.

If we were rating solely in the niche of H-RPGs, I agree that it's a 10/10, at absolute least a 9/10 - I just feel that the battle system can be refined a bit further, and that there should be more depth to skills.

Though, I expect the battle system will be even better in the guaranteed sequel.
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>>138643729
>It's the first bit of native material I've ever fully played through
Is it that easy? Or did you just drop a lot of things? I've only read 4 moege, with one of them being a knight setting.
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What do you do if you've been making dick all progress in 2 years and going nowhere.
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戦闘
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>>138644114
It's pretty easy to read, honestly. I dropped a few nukige here and there over the last year, but that's it. I decided I was going to play the Rance series all the way through, and said I'd use Evenicle as practice - it was the first bit of Japanese I've looked at in almost a year.

The grammar doesn't go crazy and stays relatively simple. The vocab is a bit complex, but texthooks and dictionaries make that bearable.

Translating skills by radical lookup is brutal though, so I'd advise using the JP wiki to get the Kanji from the skill names and descriptions.
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>>138644206
Keep going, so you can be like me and still unable to read after 3 years.
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>>138644206
I felt like that a couple weeks back, but I ramped up the amount of shit I was reading, started doing listening practice properly and started using hellotalk and I suddenly feel incredibly dekiru now
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>>138644206
I go onto 4chan's Japanese thread and ask people why it's not working after 2 years without giving any details about how I'm studying whatsoever.
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>>138644261
But you can literally start reading in less than 2 weeks by simply finishing Tae Kim and moving on to VNs. nigger what are you doing
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>>138644206
You start by setting your priorities straight.
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>>138644351
Not remembering any of Tae Kim. I am bad with textbooks and while I have a decent vocab base now, I still cannot remember grammar to save my life.
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>>138644351
That would be less reading and more "spend hours decoding every single sentence"
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Complete VN newb here and also a beginner and wondering where you guys started off with easy VN material.
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>>138644388
Reading solves all

Find something you find compelling and just read the shit out of it
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>>138644443
Muramasa
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>>138644443
VNs are fucking shit just stick with manga or find a good LN
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>>138644443
はなひらっ, Flyable Heart, フレラバ in order of difficulty (IMO).
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>>138644443
Little Charo.
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>>138644443
If you're COMPLETE beginner (i.e. fresh out of Tae Kim / Yotsuba or some shit) and don't mind schoolshit, then try Flyable Heart. Probably the most played VN here outside of maybe Hanahira, is actually good when you get to the routes, especially if you do all of them, has a mostly throwaway common route (you can just re-read the important bits in the beginning you didn't understand after doing a route or something) so you'll be at a comfortable level in terms of speed and comprehension by the time you get to a route, very low kanji count for its length (25 hours on erogamescape and 1850~ kanji), etc.
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>>138644461
I might just import a bunch of games, that way I'll feel obliged to play through them and won't have any other way of experiencing them.
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Could someone check that the descriptions in the static reading list have been changed? Just scroll down the page and see if the descriptions are there. I want to be sure it's not just my version that's good.
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>>138644398
That's only how it is in the beginning. A few days and you're used to it. It's better than grinding Anki for months without getting any exposure to native material.
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>>138644677
Any changes you make should show up for everyone else, it's just that the changes don't show up instantly on the pubhtml version that the site links to. It takes a few minutes to update.
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>>138644443
最果てのイマ
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>reading again after not reading for a few days
>suddenly feels a lot more difficult for the first 2-3 days
I figured this would be easier after a few VNs, but apparently not.
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>learn grammar from genki
>memorize hiragana/katakana
>Oh boy! it's time to read!
>....
>I don't know what any of the words mean

H E L P
E
L
P
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>>138644846
I was just asking confirmation in case it didn't work. Since it was a big change (more than a hundred cells have been altered), I wanted to make sure it worked.
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>>138644949
What are you reading? Use rikai/texthookers.
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how good is supernative for practice?

I've been using it for an hour, and though extremely interactive, and interesting, I'm not sure how well this will help me to learn.
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>>138644949
>>/a dictionary/
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>>138644655
That's what I do. Plus most of the games I want to play aren't PC ones so that's my only option.
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>>138644949
Have you done Core2k?
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>>138637003
Fuck off with the fucking blog.
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>>138645129
Emulate them?
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>>138645341
Vita games.
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>>138639173
Beginners shouldn't be giving advice.
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>>138645318
The only reason I haven't done it is because i heard it mixes Kanji in with Hiragana, so you have to learn both at once for each word. That's kinda brutal imo since most "beginner" material just uses Hiragana or games have an option for furigana, like the Pokemon games. I've shied away from the 2k core because of this. It's going to be really hard learning everything at once? I assumed it's best to learn vocabulary with only Hiragana then pick up the Kanji later?

idk?
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>>138645613
出て行け。
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>>138644949
Time to do what every foreign language learner does, time to LEARN SOME WORDS ANON.
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>>138645613
There's no running away from kanji anon, just boot up that core2k, you will thank me later.
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Rare kanji of the day 蠢. NHK really loves throwing old kanji at you.
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>>138645940
I found that in an H scene in Tonakoi
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>>138646183
Really? What was the word, to wriggle?
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>>138646254
>そして、同じように膣の蠢きだけで精液を吸い出される。
>優しくサオをシゴくような膣肉の蠢きに、俺を息をついて、酔いしれた。
Only showed up twice in the whole VN, but those are the sentences it showed up in.
>H scene writing
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>>138645613
>I assumed it's best to learn vocabulary with only Hiragana then pick up the Kanji later?

No, because then when you see the word how it's actually written in any kind of media ever, you won't know what it is.
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>>138646348
Oh god, best wording ever. How difficult was it? I need to find a new VN to read and this one doesn't look bad.
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>people keep talking about spicy wolf
>finally read it
>get to the part where holo is first met

>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT DIALECT

Alright, I need context. Is her dialect the equivalent of niggerspeak, or is it something similar to ye olde english?
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Does anybody where I can find Imouto Paradise (seeded)? I only seem to find the English version.
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>>138646516
I know some of it is an ancient prostitute dialect.
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>>138646502
It's a really easy short moege. I read it as my second VN and had no problems understanding anything, so unless you're in your first few VNs you probably won't get much out of it. Good character chemistry and humor, but the routes are fairly short and a lot of it is H scenes (3 per route if I remember correctly) and a few touching moments here and there. Make sure to read the sidestories though. Most of them are actually a decent read and adding them together is about the same length as a route.

Only things to be aware of are there are occasional short dialogue exchanges during some scene changes that don't have text (but you can just jump back a line using the log if you want to re-listen) and that Nagisa's route has an 8~ minute long voiced epilogue that cannot be paused and does not have text for the dialogue to hook.
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>>138646801
Nice, just what I needed to take a little break. This looks great.
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>>138646890
Oh wait, I forgot about the grandma. She might give you some trouble if you're not used to that speech style, but you should still be fine.
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なんてめちゃくちゃなんだうちの部長は。

What does the うち mean here? The guy just proposed something absurd.
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>>138646955
I think it's used as a personal pronoun, like 私. But then it depends on the speech pattern of the guy.
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>>138646955
it means house idiot, use google translate like everyone else

it means the house chief
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>>138646930
Well, if anything it'll be a new opportunity to learn Japanese.
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Continuing with strange kanji from NHK :

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What's the best resource you've found that helps with 会話 skills?
I found this but I'm not sure if it's the best out there.
http://www.amazon.com/Shadowing-Japanese-Intermediate-Advanced-Edition/dp/4874244955/ref=pd_sim_14_34?ie=UTF8&dpID=518cFxmc1WL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR112%2C160_&refRID=1K8CGJ3TPA2DV193Y5F6
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>been looking for Bullet Butlers and Ayakashibito/Bullet Butlers: Chrono Belt for forever
>had torrent containing both active for months
>fucking finally a seeder appears and gives me full speed, finishing within minutes
>mfw
Thanks, based Japanese anon.
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>>138647351
How long ago was this?
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>>138645010
anyone?
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>>138647480
What's supernative?
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>>138647429
An hour or so ago. Didn't even notice it was finally active until my internet slowed to a crawl.
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>>138647083
Thanks, family.
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>>138623529
>Last I checked
Check again.
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>>138647567
https://supernative.tv/ja/
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>>138647777
like FluentU. Your best bet is to try it and see for yourself.
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>>138646773
http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=search&term=%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%B1%E3%82%89%E3%81%A0%E3%81%84%E3%81%99

>>138647268
try actually reading real-life texts before you call every non-super-common kanji strange
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>>138647770
Depending on protocol and topology, they have 40+ servers in more than 10 countries. Not sure what you're on about, mang.
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>>138648041
You're wrong.
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>>138647985
>try actually reading real-life texts before you call every non-super-common kanji strange
Did I hurt your feeling by posting uncommon kanji? I'm very sorry if that's the case.
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>>138645401
Thanks for that unhelpful argumentative reply instead of helping the original anon, or correcting me if I were wrong, which, I'm not sure I was.
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「働いたら負けだ」とひとりどちながら...

I don't get this at all, please help.
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>>138648092
Literally looking at the server list in the software right now, Famicom. I'm right.
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>>138647985
>http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=search&term=%E5%A6%B9%E3%81%B1%E3%82%89%E3%81%A0%E3%81%84%E3%81%99
Hum thanks but I've already tried Sukebei and this version is not seeded. Hence why I asked a seeded version in the first place. But thank you anyway.
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>>138648122
It's just annoying when some idiot comes here and posts kanji I come across all the time in fairly basic and easy texts as if they were something unusual. Like, I'm not expecting masters of Japanese here, but at the very least you should have read something other than Hanahira before acting like you know something about the language.
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>>138648136
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>>138648262
I meant the とひとりどち part.
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>>138648253
In no way am I saying I'm an expert in the language, I'm just posting unusual kanji that most of the people here (i.e. beginners) haven't seen. You seem to be the only one that's actually bothered by it. If you don't like it, you can simply hide the post.
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rare kanji for you hanzi freaks
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>>138648204
Shit out of luck finding torrents for anything that's 5+ years old that doesn't have a translation patch or has had an official English release. Try rutracker and anime-sharing. If it's not there or the mirrors are dead, you'll have to buy it.
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>>138648329
I had seen that kanji before, is beginner hell finally over?
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>>138648357
I've tried anime-sharing but not rutracker. I'll try that, thanks.
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>>138648367
No. That kanji is literally the meaning of life. What you see just reflects on your JP level.
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>>138648307
I don't get it either, context would help.
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>>138645401
Feel free to give the original anon your own advice then instead of quoting me and being unhelpful to anybody.

>>138641779
I don't know where other guys are getting their raws, scanlation always comes out earlier because it's a leak. However the magazine will comes outs a couple days later. For Hunter x Hunter, it will be the monday after the scanlation's wednesday-friday schedule.

Download the entire magazine from any websites (there are many websites, you won't find any difficulties finding it), and profit.

That's what I've been doing. I just read Mangastream for the gist of it, almost every monday that I read Jump, I disagree with how Mangastream translate dialogues, usually swear words, but sometimes simple things like using "chicks" instead of "woman", or even misplaced subjects.
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>>138648350
try actually reading real-life texts before you call every non-super-common kanji strange
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What's the deal with Bitlasers? Does some anon own the laser shop and decided to use it to link the guide?
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>>138648416
It's the back of the 1st Chaika.
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>>138648617
You wrote it wrong, it's ご not ど
>「働いたら負けだ」とひとりごちながら
>while muttering, "you work you lose"
or something like that
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>>138645010

This is pretty cool so far, thanks anon
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>>138648990
So とひとりごち is "muttering"?
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>>138649167
No, ひとりごちる means to mutter. と is the quote particle and ながら means 'while, during'.
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>>138646254
>>138646183
It's used in like anything that tentacles appear in.

So lots and lots of porn VNs.

蠢く is the common word with it, but there is also 蠢動. For a similar looking kanji that is actually rare try the first one of 蠱惑
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>>138649377
So not exactly common unless you're into tentacle porn. Thanks for the precision.
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>>138649373
Thanks.
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>>138649373
Thanks, Rikaisama.
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>>138649422
Pretty common in VNs in general desu
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>>138649510
I'm pretty sure most people fast forward through porn, even when learning.
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>>138649510
Oh okay, I didn't know. I'm more into manga/LN.
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>>138649540
If it's fetish stuff like tentacle porn then they are probably reading FOR the sex scenes.
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>>138649636
nolying fortrue m8
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>>138649540
This. If I'm just reading to learn and I'm not really in the mood I just skip past it and if the CGs looked super interesting then I go back and read that scene later. I usually try to fap at least once to each heroine though.
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>>138649670
Amy Winehouse pls go.
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>>138649710
>I usually try to fap at least once to each heroine though
Even the bitchy ones?
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>tfw grammar notes textfile is reaching 300kbs
>tfw have to actually search to find what i'm looking for
>tfw google would be more convenient at this point
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>>138649736
Do you have examples/descriptions of bitchy characters? I haven't really run into that problem yet. Probably just haven't read enough VNs yet though.
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>>138649868
I'm sure others would perceive her more positively but for me she really contributed to me dropping the game (as main heroine she got the most focus and the majority of it was her punching MC, shitting on MC, infodumping because MC is a bakabaka etc etc)
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>>138648123
>>138648329
>arguing with the autist
The thread only gets shittier when you don't ignore him.

Also, は is contrastive.
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just worked through basically all of Hirigana and Katakana on realkana in one day, becuase I feel like if I don't get the alphabet down fast I may give up.
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>>138650039
>all of Hirigana
Is that the new thing around here?
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>>138650039
Bad attitude. Slow and steady finishes the race. Overloading yourself like that will overwhelm you and make you think "this is too much, I can't do this". Do manageable, but good, amounts of work. Especially since there are 100 kana but 2500 kanji you *need* to learn. That blitz won't last you to the end.
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>>138650039
Start going through Tae Kim's grammar guide while doing daily reviews of kana. Mnemonics such as pic related will help with retention.
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>Length Very short (< 2 hours)
>Nukige 3.0
>took me 5 hours of reading to see even a nipple
I just wanted a quick fap before I can concentrate on my main vn but the day is almost over already
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>>138622753
yeah honestly don't listen to the smucks they don't give a fuck. turn off upload and you're relatively safe - until the TPP retroactively buttfucks you
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>>138650134
Thanks man, I know it is a little overboard, but I wanted to get the two basic alphabets in my mind quickly so I wouldn't get bored learning the alphabets without even learning any words in japanese. Now I can take it much slower and just focus of vocab and grammar like any other language.
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>>138650187
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>>138650008
Ahh, yeah, I guess I've managed to not run into a full on abusive bitch / modern tsundere yet. I guess I'll have to see when I get there. She didn't lighten up at all even in her own route? There have been characters that I imagined I'd hate in the common route and then ended up really liking them when I did their route because they completely changed or opened up when you got into the route.
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>>138650208
You have to learn words via kanji. Sorry.
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>>138650246
Is that really helpful though?
>>138650208
Depends on you. You'll be forced to learn them when you start anki anyway so it doesn't change much, honestly.
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>>138650282
>She didn't lighten up at all even in her own route?
I didn't get to her route, she was so obnoxious in the common route I dropped the game (plus other significant complaints but that was a big one)

By the way not putting off this game, it's VERY popular and many people liked it, I'm an outlier so do not hesitate to play it
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>>138650134
Learning kana in a day isn't even close to overloading yourself, though.
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>>138650307
Mnemonics work better than anything else for long term memory. You'll recall the vivid image in while thinking of the missing kana. RTK also uses this method. As does WaniKani. Either way, you'll see kana in literally everything, whether it's grammar study or a vocab Anki deck.
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>>138650423
I think it is.
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>>138650355
Well unless she's a dom maybe you can get to her route and hatefuck her into submission.
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>>138650425
I know, I'm way past the kana stage but I mean, do you really need mnemonics for kana? You'll see them so often I'm not sure going through the process of learning mnemonics for them is really useful. It's not like you're learning RTK or something.
But then again, I might be wrong, and that's just my opinion.
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>>138623714
sentences, learn by sentence and memorize the reading as a sentence. then read through the kanji by their readings ( as sequence from memorize sentence )
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>>138623917
lolol¥
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>>138650504
>need
Not really, but it's more effective than pure repetition. Forgetting a reading/pronounciation is unlikely when you associate it with a short story or shape.
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>>138649783
What the fuck dude. I actually made a grammar notes file too and I just checked it's only 17kb, which included most of the stuff I found in TK.
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>>138649783
Upload it faggot.
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When doing the Core 2k/6k, do you test yourself on both the reading of the kanji/single term and also the sentence?

So if you only get one of them, say the reading, right but you don't recall the designated sentence, would you give youself a [Again]?

Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question.
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>>138650806
>>138650863
It's probably "I can't learn Japanese" x 1000 followed by a suicide note.
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>>138650877
Who cares about the sentence, it's only there to clear up misunderstanding. Don't memorize them.
>>138650936
kek
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>>138649783
Kikokugai's script is only 350kbs. Literally what the fuck.
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>>138650936
My guess it's all verbal descriptions of how to write each kanji he's seen so far
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>>138650971

Thanks. I've been giving myself [Agains] if I don't get the sentence even for Kanjis™ that I know easily.
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>>138650246
>ひ
>does it look like a fucking sack?
I learned it instantly.
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>>138650039
>if I don't get the alphabet down fast I may give up
Boy did you pick the wrong language.
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>>138650016
I maybe should ignore that guy. You're right, thanks for the advice anon!
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>>138650863
>>138649783
Do it.
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>>138651021
No problems, the sentence is just here as a tool. Don't capitalize kanji though.
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Are there really people still using the IRC chat? How old is it anyway?
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>>138651287
We have a irc?
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>>138651331
Not at all.
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>>138651161
>Don't capitalize kanji though.
he was memeing dude
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>>138651363
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Seriously, how the fuck does one get raws in Canada
Can't import because v&.
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>>138651529
That's sarcasm. Sorry, I suck at human communication. ;_;
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>彼女の恥丘には、うっすらと毛が生えており
>there's none on CG
What the fuck kind of scam is this, I want my hours of edging back.
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>>138651530
Sorry アノンくん.
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How can I know the reading of a name when I lack okurigana? Is there anything I can guide me with besides experience?
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>>138651937
nope welcome to japanese
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>>138651937
Other than more exposure, no. You can install rikaisama's Japanese names dictionary and go from there though.
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>>138651287
I never use it, but I bet all the IRC faggots think they are in some cool club that pulls all the strings on 4chan, just like those faggots from /r/4chan who come over here with the mentality that the way things are done over there supercedes everything else.

It makes me sick. There should never have been an IRC.
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>>138652339
Nice meme!
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>>138652235
Well, that actually sounds like what I was looking for. Somewhere where I could input kanji and get the most popular reading of it in a name.
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>>138649540
From what I've seen of discussion around VNs, this is untrue. While there are some people who skip through the H-scenes, most people read them all.
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>>138650246
i remember having some weird ones. Some of them i just associated with expressions. like あ looks like a person saying "Ah!", ふ is someone sighing and "fu" is the sound it makes, and ね looks like someone saying "Neh" apathetically... somehow.

the crazier they are, the harder it is to forget.
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>>138650246
>mnemonics for kana
Why? Just write each one 30 times in your notebook, that's more than enough to memorize them for good. I really don't get the mnemonics meme.
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>>138648136
誤植かなあ

>ひとりごちながら

っていうにほんごがあるから、それじゃないかなあとおもうよ
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>>138653268
That isn't how memory works so writing them down a bunch of time in a notepad is literally a waste of fucking time.
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>>138652542
Well, you can use that or just add #name to your lookup on jisho.
It's pretty much powerless before fictional names, though.
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>>138653268
>>138653306

I think the best way is to just learn vocabulary and from the set of words you know by heart and each of the syllables that compose them, you can derive every Hiraganas and Katakanas.
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>>138653306
It's called muscle memory and the time you'd "waste" by doing that is probably less than what you spend on 4chan daily.
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>>138653320
Well, fuck.
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>>138653352
Work and play don't compete to nearly the same extent that effective work and ineffective work compete.
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>>138653352
>It's called muscle memory
No it's not you fucking moron.
For that to happen it would involve repeated action over the course of fucking months, not cramming it into a half an hour period and calling it "learned". Jesus fuck, have you ever worked a physical job in your life where the concept of muscle memory is actual relevant?

No one magically memorises the kana by doing what you've described. This rote bullshit has been debunked for decades so just fuck off already.
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How does this make you feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDNFuzo__GY
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>>138653352
The fuck are you on about? I wrote the kana 80 times each in the first few days when I started. Fast forward a year and I can write almost every kanji I know from memory without much issue when given a word I know that contains it, meanwhile I can't write most kana from memory.
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>>138625305
That sucks anon. The culture is very xenophobic unfortunately.
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>>138641429
That's what you get for falling for "muh 4 years" meme.
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>>138653573

>unfortunately

There is a reason why Japan is the way it is and why we like it.
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>>138653414
That's the thing, it's not ineffective, and spending your time memorizing someone else's bullshit like the pic I quoted instead of how the characters are written is not what I'd call effective either.
>>138653455
Why so defensive? It clearly worked for me, and since the guide recommends RealKana, it's safe to say that it works for a lot of people too. And learning how to write a set of characters is not comparable to a task that requires actual physical effort.
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>>138653544
Perhaps the problem lies within you?
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>mfw asian
>CAN become japanese
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>>138634442
There are a shittone once you start looking. The problem is they all fucking suck. If you are actually serious about it look through a Japanese hiring firm and work directly for a school. I have never worked in Japan but I know the system is similar to how it is in China. Also this is going off the assumption you can at least speak Japanese at a conversational/semi-fluent level.
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>>138653616

I don't think rote repetitive exercises are the best, they do work, but I do agree that the mnemonic chart is a whole lot of unnecessary bull.

Just do Anki and keep exposing yourself to the kana and they'll come to you.
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>>138634442
What skills do you have?
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>>138653688

iktfb

>tfw Viet but can pass as Japanese with long hair
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>>138653666
More that the kanji had a mnemonic based foundation and spaced reviews while the kana were just rote bullshit that I didn't maintain and didn't learn in a way that would make them easy to remember.

If you're going to rote kana in the beginning, you still have to maintain production through repeated practice or at least spaced repetition with something like Anki. Implying the ability to write them from memory will stay in your memory just because you wrote them 50 times several months ago is asinine.
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>>138653479
>エッ? ネトウヨって、日本人以外にも当てはまるの?w
Ouch.
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Does/has anyone here gone the route of finding a language exchange partner? How'd that go?
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>>138654143

I've got like five.

The trick is to go on exchange.
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>>138654143

I've one or two decent contacts(not for the purpose of language exchange) from Omegle Text.

Do Omegle Text with japanese as an interest, and you can actually get natives on there and there's a chance for you to test them out in conversation to see if they'd be the kind of person you want to associate with.

I've done it and learned some lines in the past.

I even met a Japanese trap but he weirded me out so I blocked him(when we connected on Line)
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>>138654143
Yeah
Real fucking awkward
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>>138654143
Yes, and I get boners every time when I talk to qt3.14 Jap girls. Does any know how long it outta take for this to stop happening?
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>>138654143
Was translating an online game to my language as part of a dev-sanctioned volunteer community, saw one nip on the japanese translation subforums frequently, checked his profile - he got the same birthday as me, but year younger. Approached him with a proposition of me helping him with english if he helped me with japanese. Turned out to be a cool dude.
We've been friends for more than 2 years now. He introduced me to his buddies, we're talking in Skype and playing vidya nearly every day. Visited each other a couple of times.
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>>138654210
on exchange? What do you mean?

>>138654260
I just tried it out and apparently nobody has japanese as an interest. I'll try again later.

>>138654264
Why?

>>138654326
But more importantly, does it help your Japanese?

>>138654340
That's a pretty neat way to meet someone!
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英語でやろうと
日本語でやろうと

ゲームはほどほどに
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>Reading Japanese with a Smile
I really like the way this reader is organized.
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