there's nothing wrong with harems, anon. The problem with the harems is they don't push the boundaries and when they do push the boundaries they do it in an annoyingly edgy or just plain dumb way that just panders to a whole different kind of dumb fetish(see School Days)
Reliance on Otaku, and therefore pandering. Also annoyingly unnecessary sexism and homophobia. Not even tumblr, I just don't know why it's in there. It's not funny, it serves no point, it's not plot relevant, it's just stupid and a time waster.
>>138319599 Basically this, I'm not even mad at the whole "studios only try to make things that sell" thing, but rather at the fact that they still manage to make garbage that even at first glance obviously have 0 potential straight from the get go.
>>138319830 This. And you don't have to be Kamina-Level to be positive. For example: Yahari S1, 8man is a scummy looking loner wanna be edgelord. But he still does the right thing without regard for himself.
>>138319938 Harems are an unnecessary part of so many stories that do no need them even in the stories that are supposedly good. That's even ignoring all the shitty harem shows that have nothing going for them except for the harems.
>>138320091 Can you give an example of a good harem a bad harem and a good show with unnecessary harem elements. I liked chaika more with the harem stuff than I would have without it and it was basically a fantasy series with unnecessary harem shit
Trying to write their own stories and a reliance on adapting from manga.
Imagine how few people in the world can write an engaging and thought provoking story. Now imagine how few of those rare people just happen to be working in the anime industry. On the manga side you run into the same problem, how many world class writers just happen to know how to draw as well?
>>138320270 >>138320395 I tried reading that and it was boring as fuck. I imagine anime writers probably got bored when they tried reading that garbage too, so they can't even adapt it because they keep falling asleep.
Seriously though, they're good reads if you want to know stuff and seem smart or cultured or whatever, but in terms of entertainment, anime beats it hands down.
My biggest issus is the western online community constantly throwing hissy fits and crying about evil otaku because they aren't being pandered too, even going as far as to say anime they don't like being made means the industry dying despite the fact that most of them have never supported the industry in their lives
>>138321336 Western fans tend to like shows that are relatively unpopular in Japan like Trigun and SamFlam. I think this can lead to casual fans who watch outlier shows and being unhappy there are very few simiar shows
Apart from a few productions, most of the anime Americans and other countries got were the things networks and distributors were able to buy for cheap at the time. Things like Outlaw Star are little more than cult hits in Japanese markets and it was because these works under-performed that Americans were able to get them. And the works of directors like Shinchiro Watanabe do better with Western audiences than Japanese ones, to the point that Space Dandy premiered in the USA before it premiered in Japan. A lot of the stuff brought in by US Manga Corps. were bottom of the barrel by Japanese standards but often did appeal to Western sensibilities.
How do you people define otaku pandering? I hear this complaint a lot but what distinguishes an anime that happens to have appeal among the so-called otaku and what is actually an anime primarily geared towards obsessive nerds?
>>138323630 If the anime is the first to do something that otakus just happen to like, then it's just that but if it is trying to use all the things otakus want to try to market to otakus then it's pandering.
>>138323741 You can take the cute girls doing cute things genre and look at all the shitty shows that came after K-on's success for example. K-on might not be the first but it was the first that was that successful and it spawned all those shitty cgdct shows with nothing going for them but the cute girls.
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