What's your honest to god opinion of Rebuild?

It's a revision of the original intending to change which characters are popular, so that the writers and directors may feel safer in their own opinions.

While of course, also getting filthy rich.

Everything in it is a farce and there's only one way to undo that.

I only liked 3.0 because Anno was doing something new with the story for once

>>136393141
This.

The story is dumb and does not fare well against any dort of criticism, and its all because of basic otaku bullshit.

>>136393338
>I only liked 3.0 because Anno was doing something new with the story for once
Yeah, ruining it.

>>136393543
I'm pretty sure Anno did say he wanted to destroy Eva.
At least he's accomplishing his goals.

>>136393580
He never said that and you're braindead for thinking he did without ever seeing a quote.

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>>136392882
Any improvement to the unter shitpile that is Evangelion after episode 13 is welcome in my book

>>136392882
1.11 is just a re-telling of the first five or six episodes, so I don't really care.
2.22 is garbage because it took a huge shit on Rei (Poka Poka) and Shinji (GAR mode). Also Mari is there.
3.33 is alright. I like how it went in a very different direction instead of just being NGE with a few changes. I hate how it turned Asuka into a walking catch phrase (DUDE BAKA-SHINJI LMAO), and again, Mari.

>>136392882
Worse than EoE, which was always gonna happen.
Better than the tv series by a mile.

I don't mind a version of Eva more focused on the robot fights and Gendo and Shinji's relationship instead of the religious and psychological elements existing. It's far more interesting than just retelling the same story like 1.0 and I found the latter two films perfectly enjoyable in their own right.

>>136393616
>To begin with, I'd like to speak with you for the program to be distributed before the premiere. According to Chief Director Anno's intention, it was decided that we would "publish an interview with Makki entitled 'the man who destroyed Eva.'" [1] Before we begin, I'd first like to confirm that you were made aware of that intention.

>[1] "Destroy" [破壊] is a play upon "Break" [破].

>Tsurumaki: This seems suspicious (laughs). As far as making me into "the criminal resposible for destroying [Eva]" is concerned, I'll resist with all my might.

>--- Only, if we look at "Break" as a destroyed Eva, surely everyone would want to know the details of how and why this happened.

>Tsurumaki: As far as [the title] "Break" is concerned, Anno-san probably discovered a new reason for it part of the way through. As usual. Although, I think it would have been better if Anno-san had taken the lead in destroying [Eva] himself. [It would surely have been difficult for him to destroy it. I think he well understood that, and had no choice [but to do as he did]. ???3] However, it was not myself alone who destroyed Eva. Even Masayuki-san, or Sadamoto-san, who writes the manga, would have been fine [for the interview].

from Evangelion_2.0_CRC 3A_Tsurumaki_Interview_(part_1-2)

>>136392882
I like them just as I like Neon Genesis

If the rebuilds are intended to be viewed after NG then I have no problem with them, otherwise if it's supposed to bring in a new generation of viewers they failed in transferring the characters to the rebuilds. It's better off as a sequel honestly

1.11 is a repeat of the first six episodes. It's all right.
2.22 is trying some new things and delivers on developing the new content.
3.33 drops everything and provides shallow fanservice, the changes it imposes are entirely superficial and entirely conductive to pure fanservice and nothing else.


In short, the first two are all right movies. They are the building blocks of the Evangelion Story, just like the first part of the original was the building blocks of the rest.

The third is a disgrace as a movie and as a entry in the Evangelion franchise.

>>136393963
In other words, you are a braindead idiot.
Anno never expressed said intent and it is a play on words for "breaking it up" into something new.

My condolence to your parents.

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Honestly I think the rebuilds are pretty great. We get a reimagining of the anime with a lot of stuff that can be interpreted in many ways. 1.0 was almost a retelling of the first 6 episodes but also adds new stuff (red sea, blood on moon, Kaworu/coffins on moon).
2.0 is where there is a whole different direction in genre but a fitting parody-style SOL storytelling to make the last arc more shocking. It also reminded me a lot of the more SOL episodes in the anime which I believe is intended.
3.0 is totally going in a different direction, this time everything is totally different and confusing, our confusion is equal to the confusion that Shinji feels in the movie.

All in all there are some neat further additions to declare the Rebuilds as another series as NGE (red ocean etc., Asuka's name and background story changed, etc.) but somehow connected to the old series. (Theory that this is happening after the ending that Shinji doesn't reject human instrumentality, and other theories).
There are multiple mysteries in the series and it's fun to disguss them like we did discuss NGE and EoE back then.

The only bullshit fanservice pandering thing is the curse of the EVA

>>136392882
Its just another to Anno gets money of evafags with more bullshith than original show/movies

>>136394062
>The only bullshit fanservice pandering thing is the curse of the EVA
Forgetting the sexual fanservice shots of the girls. (was not present in late NGE)

Forgetting the focus on Kaworu/Shinji that merely spends time putting them together and making background scenery than actually constructing something new of it it's own.

Forgetting removing 100% of Asuka's unattractive parts (read: her entire character except for popular tsundere traits) and replacing it with character-moe, action-moe and deep-Asukafan pandering.

For

>>136394052
He says he wants to right in the interview, you just don't know how to read:

>--- So, the question of how to destroy Eva ends up really being the question of how to connect Mari [to the existing story].

>Tsurumaki: Right. However, while we had resolved to change [the story], Anno-san had for one reason or another not thought at all about the elements of Mari's character. As a result, I was continually requesting explanations in regard to them. When I requested an explanation of Mari's character before we began doing the storyboards for the pre-title sequence, Anno-san gave me a rather abstract, "thematic" explanation.

>--- "Thematic?"

>Tsurumaki: It was, "By introducing Mari, we will destroy the world of Eva." Concerning this idea of Mari as a character who represents the subtitle "Break," the explanation that we would directly project her "thematic" character traits onto the story was not sufficient, so I just smiled and nodded. However, we were about to draw the storyboards without something essential - Mari's concrete character was undetermined. The resulting stress would continue for a long time [after that].

>>136392882
I like Eva alot and I like the rebuilds because they look gorgeous and I can spend more time in the Eva world.

>>136394062
>It also reminded me a lot of the more SOL episodes in the anime which I believe is intended.
It covers the same arc of the series as Thermal Expansion, blackout and the DDR episode so that's definitely intentional.

>>136394156
>Forgetting the sexual fanservice shots of the girls
Where were the fanservice shots of the girls? I only remember two in comparison to the previous two movies which had a lot more.

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>>136392882
I like to fuck Mari.

>>136394156
Autistic Reifag please die already.

>>136394226
You don't quite understand the meaning of a play on words, Anon. To recreate Evangelion, you need to destroy the previous. To create divergence.

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>>136394062
>disguss
*discuss fuck

>>136394282
I remember Rei's bare naked ass and a compulsive camera attraction to Asuka's crotch, midriff and chest.

>>136394315
There is no play on words here, Tsurumaki says that Anno's intention was to destroy Eva with Mari.

>"By introducing Mari, we will destroy the world of Eva."

>>136394350
There is a play on world. Introducing Mari does not inherently destroy Evangelion, it will only break it up - as explained here:

>>[1] "Destroy" [破壊] is a play upon "Break" [破].

>>136394306
Autistic waifufag die already

>b-but the things I like can't be fanservice!
It is, faggot.

>>136394341
Yeah, and the previous two movies outbeat those small scenes by a mile.

I liked the first. thought the second was neat because it was a change up. but the third was just way too far into left field. like context clues from passing talk of characters as an establishing plot point is way past 2deep4u and just asinine way of trying to put a bunch of narrative there to explain the time skip. also why the fuck did there need to be a time skip? the fuck is even going on in this story? who the fuck is mari really working for? will any questions actually get answered in the finally? probably not.

>>136394404
NGE beats out those two scenes by a mile as well, as does 3.0.

Early NGE: Tons of fanservice.
Late NGE: None at all.

Early Rebulild: Tons of fanservice
Late Rebuild: More fanservice than before

Something went wrong with the third Rebuild.

>>136392882
I haven't seen any of it. I first watched eva in the early 2000's and enjoyed it, viewed it as a classic. A classic that didn't need a re-do. I viewed the rebuilds as a cash in and decided to ignore them.

>>136394443
No, 1.0 and 2.0 clearly have a lot more fanservice than 3.0

>>136394483
3.0 is more or less just fanservice, since it has no substance.

2.0 could line up all the girls and show their titties, and it'd still be less fanservice because those tits actually have something resembling character behind them.

>>136394403
Nice strawman.

>>136394403
That anon is talking about your paranoid ideas about the creators of Rebuild specifically intending to make Asuka look better and make Rei look worse, when in reality both of them are worse.
You're right about Rebuild taking away everything that makes Asuka interesting though.

>>136394377
That's just the title of 2.0, which is meant to imply it is started to destroy the story (we once knew?).

With Anno wanting to include Mari, he knows he will be destroying the world of Eva, and so he puts her in. Tsurumaki confirms this in the interview. That is his intention.

>"By introducing Mari, we will destroy the world of Eva." Concerning this idea of Mari as a character who represents the subtitle "Break,"

>>136394483
Not how it works kid.

You may show skin, breasts or in some cases even genitalia without it being outright fanservice. EoE for instance shows you the breasts of Asuka and Rei, and we wouldn't be calling those fanservice.

Fanservice is more than just "showing skin", it's showing skin without there really being depth to the character's skin being shown or even any real context for it.

1.0 and 2.0 both have some nipple shots in them (well at least 1.0 has), but they're spending all the time on building chraracters and stories.

3.33 neglected that part and all the characters amount to are fanservice, and the naughty parts it shows is really just fanservice.

>>136394513
>since it has no substance
How does it have no substance?

>2.0 could line up all the girls and show their titties, and it'd still be less fanservice
No, it would and it is more fanservice because those tits are servicing more people than 3.0 did.
The fact that 3.0 enraged and put off as many people as it did proves it is not as fanservice-y as 2.0.

>>136394547
It literally says play on words there anon. The usage is explictly explained and defined before it's use. You are braindead and should consider suicide..

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Turned top tier characters on generic shonen shit.
>rei and asuka cooking for shinshit 2.0
That's when I dropped.

>>136394156
>Forgetting removing 100% of Asuka's attractive parts (read: her entire character except for popular tsundere traits) and replacing it with character-moe, action-moe and deep-Asukafan pandering.
FTFY

>>136394602
>EoE for instance shows you the breasts of Asuka and Rei, and we wouldn't be calling those fanservice.
Yes we would, because they are servicing fans.

>>136394678
No, we wouldn't and 20 years later, we don't.

>>136394641
And break is a play on words for destroy, so you're actually agreeing with me.
Maybe if you weren't so braindead you would have realized this.

>>136394697
Yes, we do.
Just look at how much porn Rei and Asuka have, they're sex idols.
And those tit shots are exactly why.

You may not find them fanservice, but the people who fap to these characters love that shit.

>>136394635
>How does it have no substance?
By not providing anything with substance. It's characters, story, setting and plot lack anything but their presentation as-is, and leaves them to be no different than pornographic posters.

>No, it would and it is more fanservice because those tits are servicing more people than 3.0 did.
No one calls the EoE segments fanservice, and this is a fact. They are not servicing any more because they are laden with context, elevating it above fanservice.

>The fact that 3.0 enraged and put off as many people as it did proves it is not as fanservice-y as 2.0.
It's called a fanservice overload. 3.0 was expected to become more serious, not less serious.

>>136394754
>By not providing anything with substance
How so?

>No one calls the EoE segments fanservice
Yes, they do it all the time.

>>136394738
>Yes, we do.
>Just look at how much porn Rei and Asuka have, they're sex idols.
This doesn't relate to EoE. Characters have porn regardless of their tits being shown, and there are characters with tits that have no porn if any at all.

Those titshots have nothing to do it.

They are objectively speaking, not fanservice. Tits in themselves are not fanservice. When the portrayal of tits exist purely to tittilate, without anything behind the scene beyond that, we have fanservice.

EoE does not apply. 3.0 does.

>>136394529
It's what you're
>implying,
waifufag.

>>136394546
This anon is talking about Rebuild, but it's not paranoid - it's an observed fact. You'll find that I'm right about what I write, but you reject the rest because you are hurt as a waifufag.

Simple as.

>>136394791
>This doesn't relate to EoE
Yes it does.

>EoE does not apply. 2.0 does.
ftfy

>>136394788
>How so?
Explained in the post:
It's characters, story, setting and plot lack anything but their presentation as-is, and leaves them to be no different than pornographic posters.

>Yes, they do it all the time.
Nope. Who are these "they" but your bullshit?

Just google EoE and fanservice. Every post says it's _NOT_ fanservice.

>>136394827
It actually isn't what I'm implying anon. The other anon more or less got it.

>>136394858
>Yes it does.
>ftfy

Might as well not have replied, if you're just going to provide opposition then you're busted since nothing you say is convincing.

>>136394738
Fanservice is a creator side activity, not a viewer activity. If a creator puts something into the show with the sole or primary purpose of pleasing the fans, then that is fanservice. Everything else is not fanservice.

Also I have rarely if ever heard anyone refer to anything in EoE as fanservice.

>>136394868
>It's characters, story, setting and plot lack anything but their presentation as-is, and leaves them to be no different than pornographic posters
How so?

>Who are these "they" but your bullshit
Pretty much everyone.

>Every post says it's _NOT_ fanservice
No it doesn't.

>>136394882
The other anon is a butthurt waifufag, like yourself.

You could make Rebuild infinitely better simply by moving the release dates closer together. Sitting on all the new elements introduced with each movie for up to a decade while waiting for 4.0 to give some answers is by far the series' biggest problem.

>>136394916
Thanks for admitting defeat.

shitty style over substance cashgrabs

>>136394927
>How so?
It's characters, story, setting and plot lack anything but their presentation as-is, and leaves them to be no different than pornographic posters

>Pretty much everyone.
>No it doesn't.
Nice try, but you're just a butthurt rebuildbaby apparently.

>>136394923
>If a creator puts something into the show with the sole or primary purpose of pleasing the fans, then that is fanservice
So, you're pretty much admitting that 2.0 has more fanservice than 3.0, then.

>Also I have rarely if ever heard anyone refer to anything in EoE as fanservice
Well I doubt anyone talks to you but your mom.

>>136394959
Nope, you admitted defeat here: >>136394858
by failing to provide an argument.

Last argument: >>136394791
Loser: You
Winner: Me


just as predicted in the dead sea scrolls

>>136394975
>It's characters, story, setting and plot lack anything but their presentation as-is, and leaves them to be no different than pornographic posters
How so?

>you're just a butthurt rebuildbaby apparently
Couldn't care less about your weeb terms, but you're wrong.

Kaworufags and Asukfags getting pandered to by Rebuild will got to _ANY_ length to defend the Rebuilds. Just saying.

>>136392882
Pointless

>>136395017
>by failing to provide an argument
I guess you really can't read after all.
The only one who provided any arguments is me.

Bye bye, loser.

>>136395026
Replying "How so?" isn't an argument. I'll take this as you being a sad 4chan virgin autist defending rebuild because of waifu opinions.

Goodbye!

>>136394989
Yeah, it does, but that makes sense thematically as 2.0 is relatively lighthearted. 3.0 is much more tense and the fanservice seems out of place.

>>136395081
>sad 4chan virgin autist
Are you implying you're some sort of outsider normalfag?

>>136395044
>_ANY_
Don't do that.

>>136394948
I don't even disagree with your points anon, I just think you're overstating how shit on Rei is.

>>136395135
You're a sad 4chan virgin autist.

>>136395081
>Replying "How so?" isn't an argument
It is when you haven't provided an argument in the first place. I'm requesting examples for your claims, but you're clearly too braindead to figure that out.

>Goodbye!
At least you know when to give up quickly when you know you can't win.
Like an underage coward.

they're shit
soryu > shikinami

>>136395108
>the fanservice seems out of place
It doesn't because there's only about 2 seconds of that fanservice anyway.

And there are plenty of tense scenes in 1.0 and 2.0 where fanservice is still shown.

>>136395044
Literally what are you talking about
2.0 is Reiland all the way through

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>>136395146
>I just think you're overstating how shit on Rei is
How can you shit on shit?

>>136395232
It's just a butthurt Reifag, don't try to communicate with it.

>>136395205
Yeah I don't really care about this. You're probably right. I just wanted to establish that the scenes with exposed breasts in EoE are not fanservice and to make the definition of fanservice clear.

>>136395146
Didn't even mention Rei.

>>136395232
Poka Poka Rei is an insult to NGE Rei.
2.22 panders to reterded shipperfags that wanted to see her and Shinji together.

>>136394989
3.0 has more fanservice than 2.0.

>>136395319
>putting two characters together while developing them independently is "shipping"
Man, Asukafags and Kaworufags are really shaking in their pants over ONE movie.

EoE is shipping fanservice too then because it puts Rei on top of Shinji in a couple of scenes.

Get real, the only shipper here is YOU.

>>136395305
I know you senpai. I know your ramblings. I know you're autistic shtick. There's no need to pretend it's not you.

>>136395291
>that the scenes with exposed breasts in EoE are not fanservice
They are to some out there.
But I wasn't really thinking about that scene, but the ending scene where Shinji sees Rei and Asuka's clearly defined boobs are in the corner.
It's completely unnecessary and most definitely fanservice.

>>136395346
No it does not.

>>136395408
I'm actually a Reifag and that's what I thought.
I thought 2.22 was poking fun at us by making Rei dumb and a damsel in distress.

I fell in love with her for her strength in NGE, and seeing her be incapable of anything unless Shinji saves her was a stab in the back for me.

>>136395586
You're not a Reifag and you're playing a role that doesn't work.

>>136395499
>They are to some out there.
This is the problem with your definition.
People will sexualize anything. If this were the definition of fanservice then everything is fanservice. It's not though, and that's because fanservice is a deliberate action taken by a creator. It has nothing at all to do with the viewer.

>>136395612
I'm more of a Reifag than you'll EVER fucking be.

>>136395472
Didn't even mention Rei until you prompted it. You need to accept that you're a waifufag and only protest because of that, despite knowing in full that everything I've written is one hundred percent right.

>>136395586
I can guarantee that you're not actually a Reifag. You're a Kaworufag trying to assign blame for whatever nonsense happened to Rei to 2.0 rather than where it belongs: 3.0.

It's such a lame argument.

>>136395636
>If this were the definition of fanservice then everything is fanservice
The definition of fanservice is something put in by the author to service the fans.
So yes, almost everything is fanservice since authors want to service the fans so their work will be popular and well-liked.

However in 3.0, Anno specifically puts in parts that fans will not like, making it not as fanservice-y as other parts of the franchise.

>>136395689
God, do you think you are going to convince everyone? Your utter contempt for everyone who isn't you is utterly mind-boggling. Go back to your blog, no one will argue with you there.

1.0 - Original Eva
2.0 - Eva as the fans see/want it to be.
3.0 - Anno destroying the fans' vision.
3.0 + 1.0 - Anno's true vision

>>136395663
You're an autistic waifufag going so low as to pretend you're a Reifag. You're nothing but that. Pick any random guy on the street with no knowledge of EVA and he's more of a Reifag than you, because that guy doesn't hate Rei like you do.

Not enough to pretend you're a Reifag.

I mean, I can't get over how fucking sad this whole thing is. For more than a decade I've sat through the whining of Asukafags blaming Shinji for not saving Asuka, and now there is this outburst of anger against Rei because Shinji tried to save her.

What the fuck.

>that one wannabe NGE has made Rebuild look more like the wannabe than NGE

>>136395689
I think you're confusing me with someone else, I don't like 2.0 or 3.0 and never defended either.

>>136395737
this. It's so obvious

>>136395789
Which wannabe NGE?

>>136395737
He's deeply depressed again and doesn't even know what the fuck he's doing at this point.
Admire the balls the take it to a new direction in 3.0 but it lead nowhere

>>136395725
>However in 3.0, Anno specifically puts in parts that fans will not like, making it not as fanservice-y as other parts of the franchise.

Not entirely true. You can say the same for Shinji's attempted rescue of Rei in 3.0. That was bound to ruffle some feathers with shippers, as it did, and all the anger ever directed at 2.0 can be sourced to shipping, once we factor out the purists that disapprove of any change regardless of buildup.

In 3.0, Anno specifically puts in parts that are in it's entirety just fanservice. For 2.0, we had development of multiple characters going on akin to the original, where multiple cast members interact and develop jointly as a product of their time together.

There is no such thing in 3.0, not even on an individual level.

Therefore the only conclusion possible to make, is that the fanservice in 3.0 comes purely from the intent to portray fanservice, and doesn't serve any other purpose.

>>136395753
Why do you think that every Reifag must love 2.0?

I'm not so shallow that I will enjoy something just because Rei is in it. I have standards, and Rei needs to act at least to the level of NGE if I am to like it. And I just wasn't impressed with what happened in 2.0, and to an even more severe degree with the travesty that is 3.0.
I'd like for you to not put words in my mouth, thanks.

>>136395865
when he is depressed his best work comes

>>136395794
You did so here: >>136395586

>>136395880
>and all the anger ever directed at 3.0 can be sourced to shipping
ftfy

>>136395912
I never defend either of the movies in that post.

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>>136392882
still waiting for my gendo, fuyutsuki, and donkey adventures

>>136395906
He could potentially elevate 3.0 with it like how EoE elevated NGE, but hearing he didn't enter the studio atl all in 2013 leaves some lingering doubts.

>>136395880
>That was bound to ruffle some feathers with shippers
But they're only a niche, and not the majority of the audience, so that doesn't count.

>In 3.0, Anno specifically puts in parts that are in it's entirety just fanservice.
Like what?

>>136395887
>Why do you think that every Reifag must love 2.0?
I don't.

You have no standards or otherwise you wouldn't be pretending to be a Reifag right now. Moreover, you'd know perfectly well like every other fan not lying through their teeth due to waifu reasons, that with two movies left Rei could have matched NGE levels, adjusted for movie length screentime.

The only thing you can do to virtually avoid that happening is for some reason, halt development half-way through. Enter 3.0, enter the reason why you're not a Reifag but a salty Rei-hater posing as one.

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>>136396013
He should just let his wife direct 3.0+1.0, it'd probably be a lot better than what he could come up with.

1.0 and 2.0 were alright.

3.0 has good animation but that's it.

>>136396057
>But they're only a niche, and not the majority of the audience, so that doesn't count.
They aren't a niche. In fact, the movie's main focus is Kaworu and Shinji in advertisement, presentation, story and plot, and Kaworu fans exist purely because of shipping.

It counts, more than you think. It would never be acceptable if Rebuild was to make the best of itself to push out the rest of the characters to increase the appearance of a single character.

>Like what?
See above for an example.

>>136396090
>You have no standards or otherwise you wouldn't be pretending to be a Reifag right now
I'm not pretending to be anyone, and I'm honestly getting sick of your pretentious attitude.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you're the one pretending to be a Reifag to try and rile me up.

Well, your little game won't work on me.

>with two movies left Rei could have matched NGE levels
But she didn't, and so now I'm left with no choice but to have a bad taste in my mouth whenever I think of the Rebuilds.

>>136396057
Considering the backlash from Asuka fans, it's anything but a niche. The entire western asukafanbase frothed at the mouth once they saw that scene. For no real reason but shipping. You could call shipping their only real hook into Rebuild, given that Rebuild ASuka has no real character to speak of, except as a "reference" to the generic character known as "Asuka".

>>136396198
>But she didn't, and so now I'm left with no choice but to have a bad taste in my mouth whenever I think of the Rebuilds.
Precisely, this being due to the third not the second.

Hence, you're not a Reifag, as any Reifag knows this as does any sane and honest Evangelion fan. Therefore the only option left, is that you're either a Kaworufag or an Asukafag, as only you would go as low as to impersonate other fans.

Your cover is blown, you may stop pretending now. If you're at all interested in actual discussion rather than mentally evading the fact that you're a butthurt shipper and carry no guilt whatsoever in this, that's how it has to go.

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>>136396144
>In fact, the movie's main focus is Kaworu and Shinji in advertisement, presentation, story and plot, and Kaworu fans exist purely because of shipping.
Even if that was true, that doesn't matter because they are not the majority of the audience.
Just a niche fanbase of maybe 2000 people worldwide tops. And that is being generous.

>>136392882
3.0 makes Reifags mad and I like it.

>>136396292
>Even if that was true
It is true, and furthermore:


>that doesn't matter because they are not the majority of the audience.
Fanservice doesn't take into account the amount of people in the audience.

>Just a niche fanbase of maybe 2000 people worldwide tops. And that is being generous.

I'm sure some butthurt Kaworufag will be triggered by this, but no. They're in far greater numbers than that.

>>136396271
I've never met someone as paranoid and up their ass as you.

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2.0 was great. Created best girl.

>>136396361
>someone as right*

>>136396347
>Fanservice doesn't take into account the amount of people in the audience.
It does, because there's no point in providing fanservice to like 50 deranged people in the world. You give fanservice to what the majority wants.

>They're in far greater numbers than that
Yeah no, you have no proof.

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>>136396307

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>THE REBUILDS PANDER TO ASUKAFAGS BUT MY WAIFU/HUSBANDO WAS RUINED

I hate this argument. Everyone was ruined, did these people even watch either series?

>>136396428
You hate it because it's true.

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>>136396307
Fucking this.

>>136396428
It's just characteristic, usually Reifag persecution complexes at work. They need to be the chief sufferers; as they see it, their whining and moaning about what a travesty 3.0 serves as validation of their "commitment."

>>136396363
>Marifags exist
This is by far the worst thing imaginable.

>>136396493
I think it's funny that they complain 3.0 is so terrible, but they only think so because Rei wasn't in it.
If Rei was in it, they wouldn't complain about it at all.
That's how shallow their interest in Eva is.

>>136396412
>It does, because there's no point in providing fanservice to like 50 deranged people in the world. You give fanservice to what the majority wants.
Fanservice is fanservice regardless of how many it targets, as long as there are fans. It is fanservice, servicng the fans.

For the record, 3.0 is really pointless fanservice. There is no contradiction. Assuming perfection is a fallacy.

You are massively underestimating the number of Kaworufags, and to no avail I might add.

>>136396428
There's no guarantee that everyone watched both, but even if they did, they will accept the new simply because it favors their favorite characters, and greatly disfavors others. Even if it means ruining the character's quality.

3.0 asks the question:

"Will self-proclaimed loyal fans of Asuka, Kaworu or Evangelion accept the ruination of what they claim to be a fan of if it promises them cheap but effective pandering?"

The fanbase provided the answer: Yes. They did and already have. You may hate the argument, but it's not like you can deny the rampant popularity of the "ruined" Asuka that now outdoes the original, entirely replacing the character in the fandom's collective memory.

>>136396504

Mari is cool.

>>136396677
She represents everything wrong about the Rebuilds. Liking her it to utterly misunderstand NGE. I also suspect that anyone who likes Mari is either a massive contrarian or is simply baiting.

>>136396729

Shut the fuck up.

>>136396493
>>136396641
I think it's funny, both of you as an Asukafag and a Kaworufag actually try to keep up the charade for this long.

If you were actually into Evangelion for more than shallow commitment yourselves, you would have rejected 3.0 above all else since it is the only "halt" in your character's (and everyone elses) further development.

You cannot project your own shallow interest in Evangelion onto people who reject it for being shallow.
Surely you can see the contradiction.

The reason you defy logic and reason, is because at the heart of the problem is none other than a reflection of yourselves: Anno and the writers bias is also your own bias.

To move on, you must accept that whatever flaws 3.0 has, it is because there exists a person like yourselves, across the pond in an asian country who can actually put his inner sadistic fantasies into reality.

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>>136396669
>You may hate the argument, but it's not like you can deny the rampant popularity of the "ruined" Asuka that now outdoes the original, entirely replacing the character in the fandom's collective memory.

I hate this too.

Fucking why? This is ever lasting proof to the average Asukafag's stupidity, you're replacing a more well done character for her new, much less developed counterpart.

But then again waifufagging isn't about that shit who am I to rationalize it besides a fucking idiot

>>136396819
I think we're both Asukafags, lad. That said, didn't read.

>>136396729
Modern Kaworu and Asuka, more than any other character in Evangelion's entire history, represents what is actually wrong with the Rebuilds.

It is not all right to rewrite canon, lore, setting, characters, just to make those two characters look better and to ensure a higher percentage in popularity polls.

Mari is nothing compared to that, and nothing they haven't done twice before with characters like Mana and that "other" glasses girl literally no one knows who is or cares about.

>>136396669
>Fanservice is fanservice regardless of how many it targets
So that means that literally everything is fanservice. Your whole argument is moot.

>You are massively underestimating the number
And you still haven't given me any proof, so I have no reason to assume you're not making shit up.

If they really did want to do fanservice, they would have appealed to a more popular pairing.

>>136396888
see>>136394306

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>>136396819
blah blah blah, you really think anyone will give your delusional ramblings the time of day?
Eat shit like you're waifu.

>>136396868
>This is ever lasting proof to the average Asukafag's stupidity, you're replacing a more well done character for her new, much less developed counterpart.
>Fucking why?

I'll tell you fucking why: jealousy, insecurity, and escapism, all things that define otaku.
While the original Asuka is better and the average Asukafag probably also would admit to that, they would also mentally replace old with new since it is more pleasant and isn't as much of a failure.

>>136396996
For his next trick, he'll claim that your post is mine and that I just repost screencaps of posts I've made.

>>136396889
>So that means that literally everything is fanservice. Your whole argument is moot.
Not at all. Fanservice exists to service the fans, it is not a natural occurrence or by-product of the plot or a scene.

>And you still haven't given me any proof, so I have no reason to assume you're not making shit up.
You made the initial claim they are few. Burden of proof is on you.

>If they really did want to do fanservice, they would have appealed to a more popular pairing.
Fanservice does not heed popularity, and Kaworu x Shinji is not unpopular.
Not only does it have a large following, arguably the largest in Japan, it is also hyper-focused on shipping. Among ten Asukafags, perhaps 6 or 7 are shippers or have an interest in it.

Try 10 out of 10 for Kaworufags. As we all know, Kaworu lacks a character of his own and is mostly pieced together by other character traits and defined by patching in various contradicting spinoffs.

The shipping is the only attraction, and it is no small niche.

>>136397070
>>136396996
>>136396933
Full damage control from the "opposition" I see.

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>>136392882
I would have preferred they did a movie adaptation of Puchi Eva instead.

>>136397177
9.5 out of 10 Reifags are obnoxious faggots.

>>136392882
>Honest to god opinion of Rebuild

Filthy cash grab.

The only people who like it are those who didn't like Evangelion TV* and fuckers like this right here:

>>136393338

>I like something just because it's new and unique story wise. Never mind if it's bad or makes no fucking sense. It's DIFFERENT.

*It didn't have enough action for them like other mech shows.

This kind of thread just show how great NGE is.
There so much to discuss.

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>>136397032
Evangelion should not have done this, you're right about everything, I already knew this, I just try not to think about it. Fucking otakus, every single time, nothing should have ended up the way it did, I just hope I'm here for another Eva to come along and hopefully set things right, if that's even possible

>>136392882
it was pretty good

>>136397348
>flinging shit back and forth while screaming about waifus
>occasional people that know their shit taking a back seat to these other faggots
>seeing what ruined Eva and what makes it great all in one place

It's a mixed bag, but at least we're not on reddit

>>136397177
>Fanservice exists to service the fans
And everything from a plot or scene is intentionally made by the author to service the fans in some way.
All so he can make his work popular and favorable.

>Fanservice does not heed popularity, and Kaworu x Shinji is not unpopular.
Not only does it have a large following, arguably the largest in Japan, it is also hyper-focused on shipping.
You haven't given me any proof for any of this, you're making shit up.

Girls do not watch Eva, so there's no way Kaworu or LKS could be popular.
The most popular is probably Asushin (no surprise there)
Then Rei x Shinji (for degenerate fags who like dolls and incest)
And then probably Mari x Shinji or Misato x Shinji
Pairing him with anyone but those four is obscure as fuck besides like a small small group of irrelevant fujo. Like I said before, cliche and doesn't exceed 2000 people unlike the other fans of other pairings and characters.

>>136392882
1.0 and 2.0 were good, 3.0 was a disaster
4.0 will likely be an even worse abortion

>>136397348
Do you wanna discuss the gnosticism in NGE with me anon

>>136397493
>And everything from a plot or scene is intentionally made by the author to service the fans in some way.
>All so he can make his work popular and favorable.
Not the case. Scenes and elements can be written for their own sake to show a point, and therefore being entirely agnostic of any fan interest.

>Girls do not watch Eva, so there's no way Kaworu or LKS could be popular.
>The most popular is probably Asushin (no surprise there)
>And then probably Mari x Shinji or Misato x Shinji
You are mistaken, oh so very mistaken here. Have you looked up from under the rock you live?

>>136397422
It is technically possible to set things right. Logically a return to the previous status quo would be doing just that, setting things right. Imagine the destruction and reversal necessary to effectuate such a return.

However, Rebuild cannot be salvaged still.

>>136397639
>Scenes and elements can be written for their own sake to show a point
To show a point that the audience would enjoy and like enough to keep reading.
Under your definition, everything is literally fanservice.

>You are mistaken, oh so very mistaken here.
Well you haven't given me any proof for your bullshit claims, so no, i'm not mistaken.

>>136397726
>To show a point that the audience would enjoy and like enough to keep reading.
>Under your definition, everything is literally fanservice.
Again, not at all. The point is agnostic, and rather than service fans, this would exist to create fans. If put in a vacuum, it would still thrive rather than die out like isolated fanservice would.

This shows where 3.0 is fanservice where NGE is not, 3.0 does not stand on it's own. But NGE, and the first two Rebuild movies did (regardless if you think they're inferior to NGE), do.

>Well you haven't given me any proof for your bullshit claims, so no, i'm not mistaken.
You're critically misinformed, I'm afraid.

Inquire /cm/ or tumblr about the popularity of Kawoshin.

You could also merely check out the amount of fanart present on pixiv for each respective pairing. KawoShin has the lead by quite the amount.

>>136397843
>3.0 does not stand on it's own
Yes it does.

>You're critically misinformed, I'm afraid.
No, you're the one misinformed because you haven't given me any proof.

>Inquire /cm/ or tumblr about the popularity of Kawoshin.
I'm not a faggot like you, so I would never go to those cancer hellholes. They'd probably lie, too.

>pixiv
fujo website, not relevant.
On sadpanda Rei and Asuka have 8 times the amount of doujins than any yaoishit for Eva.
It's not popular.

>>136392882
Not as good as NGE in any way. Except the higher budget animation. But even then, the artstyle is marred by ugly CGI, digital animation/paint, and worse character designs. Also EoE has better artstyle AND animation. Very sad how Gainax anime started off with Royal Space Force, and none of their animators could ever make anything look that good again, at Gainax, Trigger, Gonzo, or Khara.

I still love Rebuild though, it isn't bad or anything. It also has so many strange/cool throwbacks to NGE, Kare Kano, and Nadia. And Anno is my favorite anime director, and Tsurumaki my second favorite. Though I would prefer they make an original anime instead of a remake.

3.33 was the worst Eva anime so far, but still really good. Can't wait for Final. And then Anno can hopefully start making a new Nausicaa anime

>>136392882
there is no god m8

>>136394156
>Forgetting the sexual fanservice shots of the girls. (was not present in late NGE)
There is lots of sexual fanservice in EoE and the 23rd or 24th episode of the show has Asuka shown fully naked.

Man I love Eva threads. By the way how exactly were Rei and Asuka ruin in the rebuilds.

>>136392882
I thought it was <insert acceptable opinion here>

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>>136397304
How ironic that the most child-friendly Eva spinoff is also the gayest.

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>>136398159
they didn't, but they did bring us the one true pairing

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>>136393338
for once? what do you mean? story ended with EoE. everything after is ironical pandering to otakus who obviously didnt catch the theme of the original series of the dangers of escapism.

Anno will gladly take your money for pachinko machines and mari figures. he hates you already. at least this way he can funnel the money back into the industry and let newer upstarts enter the industry.

all thanks to otaku dollars.

>>136397948
You just invalidated your entire stance. Good job.

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>>136398246

>>136398246
No.

>>136398274
>still gives no proof for any of the bullshit he spouts
Nah, it's pretty clear I won this fight with flying colors.

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>>136398305
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN EVANGELION BECAME GAY PROPAGANDA?

>>136395346
What fanservice does 3.0 have? I remember

>Asuka's heavy breathing
>Shinji accidentally walking in on Rei
>Mari's jiggling mams

>>136396106
Let Tsurumaki do it. It'll be Diebuster Episode 7.

>>136398246
One thing I don't understand about shipperfags is how in Eva all the girls archetypes are realistically portrayed meaning they are mentally unstable and no one would want them if they actually existed. For example a tsundere like Asuka means she has serious mental issues and a kuudere like Rei means shes nothing but a doll.

>>136398159
They cut out all of Asuka's character development from the series that makes her likeable. Rebuild Asuka was just so much more stupid and bitchy.

Rebuild Rei I liked, except Rei Q. Which is supposed to be like that

>>136398454
>kaworu xshinji

>>136398706
>They cut out all of Asuka's character development from the series that makes her likeable. Rebuild Asuka was just so much more stupid and bitchy.
Au contraire.

They cut out the unlikeable parts about Asuka. Conicidentally, that is her character.

Hence the surge in popularity.

>>136398741
That's like saying Misato and Kaji making out is fanservice.

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To the people who were disappointed by 3.0, what exactly were you expecting?

I remember 2.0 ending on a relatively happy note, Shinji opened up to people, Asuka got friendlier, Rei decided she won't be Gendo's tool, where the hell could they go from there if not a timeskip?

The story was practically over at that point if not for Kaworu busting in with his fancy shmancy Eva at the end.

>>136398929
Shinji causes another impact at the end of 2.0 to save Rei.

>>136398777
Compare the scene where they prepare to kill Sahaquiel. In rebuild Asuka's dialogue was changed to be more stubborn and idiotic.

>>136398929
Something like EoE where it continues directly, but events happen that put shinji back into despair.

>>136399156
>but events happen that put shinji back into despair
Like what? What could possibly happen now that everyone has pretty much all their problems fixed in 2.0?

>>136399223
Umm... Rei being stuck inside Eva 01, being quarantined, Nerv being ousted by the Japanese Government? Everything that happened during the timeskip?

Reminder that Reifags are fucking disgusting autists that are so jealous of Asuka they want her completely taken out of the story in favor of Rei:

>--- In specific terms, how did [Enokido] intend [Mari] to act?

>Tsurumaki: To put it simply, it was an idea where Mari completely usurped Asuka's role. For example, Asuka is unable to pilot Unit-02, because Mari is constantly getting to things before Asuka. Mari even thrusts herself into the middle of the relationship between Shinji and Asuka; [Asuka is] completely thwarted. Even though Asuka makes a great effort to fulfil the role she played at the time of the TV series, because Mari is always there it becomes impossible for her to do it; something like that.

>--- That's interesting.

>Tsurumaki: The reaction of Asuka fans to it would probably be terrifying (laughs). Because, in Enokido's idea, Asuka, thwarted by Mari, is never able to pilot Unit-02. There were voices on the staff pointing out the size of the risk [involved], but Anno-san somehow understood [the idea], saying, "Well, I'm going to take that idea and put it in the script." However...... [this idea] immediately went back to the drawing board (laughs). [6] For example, when Asuka tries to pilot Unit-02 at the time of the battle with the eighth angel, she is told by Ristuko, "Mari, the pilot who arrived on short notice from Europe, can pilot Unit-02, so you are on standby." Asuka is mortified. That was Enokido's idea, but in Anno-san's script, he changed it so that the two of them would be piloting Unit-02 together (laughs).

>>136399292
But if the characters now have all their problems solved, it'd be completely boring.
It'd be just another typical mecha Anime.

>>136392882
I like it. The original series is fantastic, but Rebuild has its own appeal as well. Rebuild is the version of Evangelion that sacrifices some of its substance to become more entertaining, and I think it succeeds in doing that. As long as you watch it with the knowledge of the characters' reactions to the events in 1.0 and 2.0, it's not like you need the extra characterization anyway and it's not like the crowd that's new to the franchise gives a shit about that anyway.

>>136399123
>Compare the scene where they prepare to kill Sahaquiel. In rebuild Asuka's dialogue was changed to be more stubborn and idiotic.
Not really. It was change to make her easier to sympathize with. In this scene, Asuka does something she's never done before, realize that "she" was the problem because she couldn't do it herself.

The original Asuka is a billion times dumber and more stubborn.

>>136399322
>Reminder that Reifags are fucking disgusting autists that are so jealous of Asuka they want her completely taken out of the story in favor of Rei:

Reminder that this is true for Asukfags, not Reifags. Hence, it is put into action in Rebuild.

>>136399322
>reifags
>jealous of asuka
literally why though?

Only Asukafags are jealous of Reifags since they're so desperate for asuka to be liked, which is why they all shit on the original the second they get a pandering asuka.

Asukafags removed Asuka themselves by pretending she never existed in the first place

>>136399322
Anno and Tsurumaki writing Rebuild to protect the interests of Asuka fans?

WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT

>>136399601
Enokido is a Reifag and that's what he wanted, Asuka to be completely put to the side without a role and for Rei to be put into the spotlight and saved at the end of the movie.

I think the worth of 3.33 is going to depend on how 3+1 plays out and manages to make sense of 3.33.

I thought 1.11 was pretty good but didn't really add much.

I really enjoyed 2.22 and was honestly loved its ending, which made it apparent that it wasn't just a remake.

Didn't exactly like the story of 3.33 as a standalone, and I think its the timeskip that bothered me. Didn't like seeing things like Misato being so cold to him, especially since we know what happened in EoE.

I think it's pretty obvious with the who 3+1 with the "repeat" musical notation title implies some time of repetition of events. I hope Anno somehow manages to make it convincing and explains how the Rebuilds are tied into the original how things can restart after EoE, although most likely it'll leave us with more questions and theorizing since it is Eva.

>>136398274
>completely stopped responding because you know you lost
Reifags so pathetic in this thread.

>>136399710
>Anno actually tried to put the huupothesized in
Fuck off dumbddick.

>>136399811
Hypothesized, even, fuck.

I thought (as I watched them) 1.11 was okay, 2.22 was pure fanservice and sellout garbage for the franchise's most numerous fanbase, and 3.33 was a well executed 'return to form', and only understood the intended purpose of 2.22 after finally watching 3.33

>>136399676
>given direct proof
>m-muh rhetoric though! I wasn't possibly mislead!
Always humorous watching a Reifag trying to cope with cognitive dissonance.

>>136399897
It's this same guy who has been shitting out textwalls in every Eva thread about >muh Rei every chance he can get.
He's actually insane.

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>>136396307
They're just getting a taste of their own medicine.

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>>136399322
I'm not fucking surprised, Reifags are trash.

>>136400239
>reifags don't ship they said

>>136400210
It sure is.

>>136392882
I've enjoyed it.

I want it to end already though and give me a satisfying conclusion.

I just got my bluray of 3.33 in the mail today

TWO FUCKING YEARS AFTER I ORDERED IT

>>136400896
How is the dub? Are there any significant changes?
I heard that's the reason why it took so long.

>-- A course leading up to episode 19 of the television series

>Tsurumaki: Yes. Strictly speaking, the part corresponding to episode 19 incorporates parts [of the series] from up to episode 23. Rei self-destructs in the TV series; [here] Shinji rescues her, and she is not made to self-destruct. Keeping things the same besides that was the safest way to do it. However, Mari had appeared [in the story], so she somehow had to act; we had to leave a path open for Mari. That was the most stressful [part].


So this means 1.0 is episodes 1-6, 2.0 is episodes 7-23, and 3.0 only covers episode 24?
Why does episode 24 get a whole movie to itself?

>>136399569
No, in the original she accepts working as a team when Misato tells her that one Eva can't cover all the distance. In 2.22 she doesn't, which makes her literally an idiot

>>136401094

>3.0 is episode 24

It's not Episode 24 at all. It was something completely different.

>>136401183
It follows the same structure:
Shinji is in isolation, Shinji meets Kaworu, Kaworu dies, Shinji gets depressed.

>>136401254

Except for Shinji having been buried alive in space, having a bomb strapped to his neck, Misato turning into an uber-bitch, Ritsuko looking like a bull dyke, Rei not being Rei, Asuka is lesbo with Mari, and Fuyutsuki revealing part of the truth to Shinji. Otherwise, yeah, exactly like 24.

>>136392882
I thought Anno did a great job of scamming retarded Evafags. Especially with 3.0.

>>136400977
This weekend I'm going to rewatch 2.22, then watch 3.33

Not sure if that will help or not

>>136394305
Literally the only thing she's good for.

>>136396106
>couldn't get with Ikuni
>had to settle for her
Poor Anno. No wonder he's so depressed.

>>136398305
>Rei's face
KILL THEM REI
KILL THEM ALL

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>>136401651
He only married her because he liked her Kawoshin doujinshi.
And now that doujinshi is the plot of Rebuild, good going Moyocco! You're the Yoko Ono of the Anime industry.

>>136392882
I think there is an accepted orthodoxy that fans accepted after the first movie and the success of the second that made them hate 3. For one, I've never had more fun on /a/ than the 533 3.33333333 threads I posted in, and after that, the level of insanity it carries makes it above all the most entertaining of the rebuilds. Anno is outdoing the divergence factor of End of Evangelion and I wouldn't have guessed it.

>>136398394
There are two things I am afraid of: gays and pianos.
Gays playing pianos roam my dreamscape as spectors in a moonless night.

>>136403598

So I guess you're not an Elton John fan.

>>136403835
Elton John is gay?