What does /a/ think of kyoto animation?

Great studio; annoying fanbase

They finally took the stick outta their ass and started making fun shows again. The dark age of pretentiousness is over!

Annoying studio; annoying fanbase

Really glad they're finally making good anime now.

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Fun studio; fun fanbase.

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>>136280167
They produced a miracle.

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Before that SHAFTfag posts the KyoAnus bingo, here's the SHAFT bingo.

Best studio, indifferent to fans. I hope their animators are paid very well, unlike some other studios.

>>136280167
great at making moeshit
mediocre at everything else

I don't watch many of their shows but their production methodology is top notch and they release high quality animation.

Great Studio, Annoying Hatebase

goat

>>136280167
Haven't produced anything good since 2011

>>136280167
Sameface, unappealing

>>136280167
I like Kyoani because I live in Kyoto.

>>136280675
Do they have total control over the town?

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Haruhi and Clannad have left their legacies

>>136280167
Moeshit.

Best studio, best fanbase, best butthurt in edgy faggots

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>>136280710
They share control with Nintendo.

>>136280728
not to mention cannon

>eye is just one giant iris

I wish I could murder every character designer who draws like that

>>136280728
is clannad even good?

I was always way too turned off by those god awful faces to watch it

>>136280167
How the fuck does the oldest one look the best?

meme studio, good production

>>136281122
Shitty 2000s trend of the generic "anime" style

>>136281049
I've only played the VN, but the only great part of it is the common route, which is fun as hell.
Once you get into an actual route, the game goes full melodrama. If you're into melodrama, I guess you'll like it, otherwise, I suppose not.
The only route lacking melodrama (though it isn't actually a route - it's more like a side-rote) is Yukine's, and that one is really good. It's a shame she wasn't a main character.

They're very good at what they do, and I love all of their works, some more than others, some for different reasons than others. However, I'd like to see their approach at something more like Uchouten Kazoku or Shinsekai Yori. KyoAni is good with serious tones, but I can't see them dealing with more folkloric or fantastic themes, nor can I imagine any of their directors being outstanding at anything outside of the style of shows they've put out already. I wonder if any of their future directors will have more artsy styles, maybe Ishidate, maybe Utsumi (if she's even there anymore).

>>136280167

The good:
Good, sometimes great animation
Good writing
Excellent character design
They take chances with material, adapting semi-obscure stuff and making it successful

The bad:
They have a definite style of production and animation, and have limited themselves in the scope of what they try to accomplish. While the studio and their talent is capable of doing sweeping epic things, they choose to focus on high school slice of life stuff. I hope that their production staff will some day take on a project which challenges them to animate something different, historical drama or sci fi epic or something
Their style has been copped by other studios who mistakenly think that it's the cute girls that sell shit rather than the fun and/or engaging stories and characters, leading to a glut of same-y shiny-eyed high school rom-com slice of life crap

Overrated.

>>136282179
underater. prove me rowng. pro tip you can't

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Best TV animation in the industry. But horrible at writing and direction. They should either hire some new people to focus on their weak aspects or become a studio that focuses entirely on animation.

>>136280333
trips don't lie. checked

>>136281049
It's better than the VN

>>136280333
cgeched

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>>136282951
I don't think we agree at all on the direction part.
At all.

they try too hard to meet the demand of moe-anime-girl and reach their point of stagnancy at big-eyed anime girl

>>136283292
Knk had literally the worst directing of all time, not to mention the shitty writing.

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>>136283331
Opinions, fag

>>136282951
>But horrible at...direction.
Why do you think so? I've generally seen a great deal of praise for their various directors.

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>>136283292

We don't have to agree. That's the beauty of being an individual.

>>136283356
>doesn't know anything about direction or writing
>I-i'll just call him a faggot, that'll show him!

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>>136283356
I seriously feel bad for you if you think KnK was legitimately good.
All it had going for it was cute girls.

>>136283399
"It had the worst directing of all time" is not an argument. If you think it is so bad, please tell us why so we can respond in some way other than calling you a faggot.

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>>136283410
Best girl didn't even win.

At least for Phantom World 2nd best and best girl are pretty much tied so it's not a big deal she wins.

Seriously, the MC has good taste by me if he chose pic related.

>>136282951
What the fuck? That's not even an opinion that's straight up misinformation.

>>136283368

-Fuuko focused episodes of Clannad
-Endless Eight
-The horrid slow pace and tons of unused potential of Hyouka and K-On
-Nichijou felt like it was purposefully trying to have bad flow to make it more 'random'
-Most of their recent shows are pure pandering, on the level of Studio Xebec

I just feel like the shows could have been handled better. Some other shows with a lot lower budgets have had better flow and more variety in shots. KyoAni has amazing animation, but very inconsistent story progression. And their directors have said multiple times that they do it on purpose to be 'different'.

>>136283410
I seriously feel bad for you if you think you know anything about me just from one image I decided to post. I never said why I posted it, I never said what I was referring to with that image, it could have been that cut, it could have been the whole show, I didn't even say the show was good, if anything, I would be talking about the direction, not the whole show. But yet you draw the conclusion you think is the worst.

Also, see >>136283356

>>136283399
>ignore literally half of my post
>act like you know anything about me
>act like you're superior
yeah, that'll show me

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>>136283558
>just from one image I decided to post. I never said why I posted it
>hurrrr muh backpedaling
OK, anon.

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They should change their name to GodAni because they are the best studio in the industry.

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>your opinion is wrong and you're an idiot!
>you ignored my post
>shut up you ignored my post!
>you're wrong idiot

>>136283695
shut up idiot

>>136283631
>talk about direction
>someone replies with one image
>hurr how dare you say this show is good? you have such a shit taste I can't believe you hold all these opinions that you never even mentioned

Post a smug anime girl, like that makes you any better

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>>136283695
Welcome to 4chan my friend

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>>136280353
He showed me that miracles are possible.

i'm fucking tired of their shit

stop making original stuff, it's all bad

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Look at this beauty

most overrated studio

Haruhi is their only good anime

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>key-oh ani

>>136284687
tamako is their only original bucko, and love story is excellent

>>136283546
>-The horrid slow pace and tons of unused potential of Hyouka and K-On
I thought the slower pace was appropriate for both shows, K-On!! especially. I'm not sure what you mean by unused potential.
>-Nichijou felt like it was purposefully trying to have bad flow to make it more 'random'
Bad flow? I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean how the episodes are discretely divided into individuals skits without attempts at forming continuity between them? Isn't that how the manga is? It seems an appropriate approach for a gag comedy like Nichijou.

>>136280167
They are killing anime.

>>136285139
yeah they invented moeshit those fuckers

>>136280167

Anime Studio Jesus

>>136280167
Totally overrated.

It's true that they got a top tier artistic direction, but they're always doing shit with that.

Madhouse on the other hand, while often doing shit anime like every studio in that modern era, still manages to pull out a top tier anime sometimes

>>136283546
K-on is very fast paced, though. First season covers two years. Season two covers half the time in double the episodes, but it's still fast paced in the sense that things get done quickly. Also character dynamics aren't really "slow", not is the dialogue boring.

Hyouka is admittedly much slower, but this allows it to add many many details that make it great, and make rewatches very enjoyable. It also adds a lot to its atmosphere, and it fits the theme of the show, as well as Oreki's mantra.

>>136280353
>you'll never touch his horsecock

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>>136285299

I'd say Production IG has the best combination of good plot and good animation. Of course, plenty of their shows are still bad. But their good shows have a solid mix of both good animation and good story. Especially the Ghost in the Shell team.

KyoAni on the other hand...I can only cite maybe three examples which had both good animation and good plot development. And two of those still have a large chunk of the show which could have been better.

I'd honestly like to see what could be done if Production IG and KyoAni teamed up to make a show. But KyoAni is so anti establishment, they wouldn't allow it. Ironic since they have become the establishment.

>>136285372

The show may span two years. But the episodes themselves are painfully slow and have little character development. That's why I keep mentioning flow.

>>136285449
I think you may not remember K-on very well, it has very fast flow

Trash since '09. They need to knock it off with that same old tired moe face bullshit.

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>>136280167
They find a way.......always.

>>136285409
I think you're failing to realize that not all shows are, or are supposed to be, about "plot".

>>136285545

Entire episodes will consist of the characters sitting around a table eating cake. It is the opposite of 'fast'.

Does a show need to be fast? Not really. Working is also somewhat slow. Some would compare it to a dry British comedy. But the difference is, Working had more development to the characters. And didn't spend 10 minutes just focusing on a character rolling around in a sleeping bag or eating a cake.

>>136285409
From a standpoint of business practices and production strategy, Kyoani is still far from the norm. They don't contract outside directors, writers, or animators very often. Their staff is relatively small and tight knit, and they work on a fairly small number of shows relative to the size of their studio. They also have been showing a concerted effort to train and develop new talent in the industry. Now some of these things are arguably not in the company's best interest or may not lead to the best possible shows, but to claim Kyoani is the establishment is patently false.

>>136283546
> tons of unused potential of Hyouka and K-On
What unused potential? They both did what they did extraordinarily well.

>>136280167
They haven't done anything good since Nichujou/Hyouka which was 2012 I think.

>>136285626
I think you may not remember K-on very well

>>136285449
They had very good flow even if they weren't plot heavy. Character development isn't everything, or necessary. K-On did what it set out to accomplish, the shows after are the ones with horrible pacing.

>>136285626
The characters in K-on are quite well developed. Their actions say quite a bit about their character and if you pay attention during the show there's quite a bit of nuance and depth to the interaction between the characters.

They sold out. Look at the cheap crap they're producing now. Instead of making intelligent, classy and memorable female characters, they choose to make girls in skimpy clothes whose sole purposes are to sell lewd figurines and produce gangrape doujin. New KyoAni discussion threads now consists exclusively of people posting lewd pictures and writing "MUH DICK".

>>136280167
Wish they had finished K-On!

>>136280167
Overrated shit

>>136285777
They sold out between Hibike and Phantom World?

>>136285793
K-on is finished, it's complete.

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>>136285777
> intelligent, classy and memorable female characters

>>136285724
Love Story and Eupho fit in nicely with the rest of their golden age works. I don't really get how someone could praise stuff like Hyouka but ignore the good ones that came after. Koe no Katachi has a lot going for it, too.

>>136285409
Interestingly, Kyoani's CEO was one of the founders of Production I.G.

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>>136280167
They are my prime candidate to animate Tokyo 7th Sisters.

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>>136280167
Lucky Star and Nichijou were their best works in the last 10 years

>>136285760

I don't think you remember your own posts very well. Since you've said the same thing three times now.

>>136285928
I don't think you know how to count very well

>>136285688

KyoAni has set many industry trends which have become the norm. They have become the standard by trying not to be the standard. That's what I meant by establishment. its much like how Rap became the focus of the music industry, while trying to rebel against it.

In a way, its a compliment. You have to go against trends to establish a new trend. And KyoAni did that. Very few companies ever attempt this. Like the American TV market which has been playing it safe for 15 years now.

>>136286017
>>KyoAni has set many industry trends which have become the norm.
Which ones?

>>136280167
>What does /a/ think of kyoto animation?
Is this fucking bait?

>>136286085

>provide a list so I can contradict you!
No thanks. Just go back and watch Haruhi to see the majority of things they did to influence the industry. Both good and bad.

>>136280366
>2ch memes
>that pic with Kanbaru and Araragi
everytime

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>>136280366
Why do KyoAni fanboys always shitpost about SHAFT when someone insults their shitty overrated studio?

>>136286267
Yes, a few of their shows are highly influential, but the way Kyoani is run is completely different from how most studios are run. Stylistic and artistic influence is not really what we're talking about here and not what people generally talk about when referring to "the establishment."

>>136286372
Why do shitposters try to force the Shaft/Kyoani rivalry?

>>136286267
I'm not the person you were replying to, I'm just curious.

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>>136280167
Looks good, but you can throw it into the trash when it comes down to story or narration

>>136285688
>They don't contract outside writers
They do.
The only anime that they used an in-house staff as a main writer is High Speed and it's still supervised by an outside writer.

>>136286412
>KyoAni fanboys got so butthurt by the KyoAnus bingo that they made a SHAFT bingo in response
>somehow it's the shitposters forcing a rivalry instead of the KyoAni fanboys' defense mechanisms
Just look at the post I quoted you illiterate KyoAni shitter

Kyoani talk here is the most insufferable thing, no one knows what the fuck they're talking about half the time. Studio memes in general need to die.

>>136286384

Establishment is term with two meanings. Most people use it as a generic term to mean 'the man' or 'the industry'. But its other definition is 'something or someone that establishes something'. Which is exactly what KyoAni has done. It has set many of the trends the industry now tries to imitate.

They have become the establishment by trying to go against it.

If /a/ didn't exist, most of their shows recently wouldn't be worth a watch. But we all have to watch each of their shows because everyone else is. There's no backing out or else you'll be left out of the funposting.

I feel some resentment for having to watch shows as they were airing that ended up frankly being bad. This is silly but I have a feeling others here have gone through the same. Kyoani doesn't deserve to be hated but it's time overdue /a/ stops giving the benefit of the doubt to every last thing their name is attached to.

trash

>>136286722
Ugh

>>136286722

After Nichijou and Hyouka, I stopped bothering. I don't care about being part of the /a/ community if it involves watching shows I don't like. And honestly, most of the shows /a/ obsesses over are bad.

The irony is, the few KyoAni shows I did like, such as Haruhi or Clannad, gained a huge hate following on /a/ for being too popular. Maybe even for being good.

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>>136286722
>If /a/ didn't exist, most of their shows recently wouldn't be worth a watch.
Wh....what?

>>136287497
What's so hard to comprehend about that post?

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>>136285805
You mean between Hibike, Phantom World, and Hibike.

So pretty much just Phantom World.

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>>136280167
They created perfect waifu

>>136287895
How does /a/ existing raise the value of a show?

>>136288382
memes

What is "forced animation"?

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>>136288442

>>136287497
>>136288382
He watches anime to shitpost about it, he doesn't actually like watching it.

>>136288442
It's shitposting.

>>136288580
It's only shitposting when you make it shitposting. It's another one of those phrases where someone misspoke and it turned into a meme.

>>136288635
"Forced animation" was always shitposting.

>>136288703
You are always shitposting.

>>136283695
I am not allowed to like or dislike something. Opinions are a capitalist invention. Everything is simply as it is.

I am a human being forced to exist.

>>136280167
Something terrible happened after 2007

>>136288766
Literally forced existence.

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>>136280353
Indeed they did.

>>136283256
>>136283038
Quit false-flagging kyoani haters.

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>>136288309

>>136280167
>2003, 2005
Looking back, FMP's design has aged pretty damn well, for a decade and a half.
Can't fucking believe that Air is newer than FMP. Or they might be tried too hard to be faithful with the source material, then ended up making hideous as shit QUALITY animation.
Jesus, man. I wonder how next FMP will be like.

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>>136289071

>>136288382
Have you even read the post?

>There's no backing out or else you'll be left out of the funposting.
>or else you'll be left out of the funposting.

It's fun to talk/post about the show on /a/ regardless of its quality, thus /a/ existing makes the show worth watching.

Explaining it sounds really condescending now that I think about it, but there's no way around that.

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Noone can challenge their reign.

Absolutely hot garbage.

>>136289071
FMP has a very distinct '90s art style even though it was made in the early '00s. So it's highly refined.

Whereas Key is also somewhat '90s style but in the worst possible way, like Saber Marionette J derived. '00s moe character design wasn't refined until later in the decade.

very much bad eyes all wrong
look like space alien lol

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>>136280167
>2005

>>136280261
what good anime?

>>136280167
2013-2016 pure shit.

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>>136288837
>shoving things in his mouth
What a slut.

>>136280167
looks like their last good anime was their first from that pic jesus christ.

>>136286412
rivalry for memest studio

>>136283331
Explain yourself, contrarian.

>From Key to K-on
WHAT HAPPENED

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>>136290758
Yeah, amazing design. I especially love how her eyes are almost falling off the sides of her face.

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>>136290858
It's generally agreed that KnK has their best designs, right?

>>136290929
>/a/
>It's generally agreed
nope nope nope nope

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>>136291017

>>136280167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy639qYky7U

>>136291124
Who even watch that video or read an article like this?
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2015-12-02/what-makes-kyoto-animation-so-special/.95559

Like, I wouldn't listen to a brony explaining how great MLP is.

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Best studio.
Produced my all time favorite anime, and three of my top 10 favorite anime.

>>136280167
I applaud their craft and business model. Too bad the stuff they make is far removed from my range od preferences. I can still appreciate but it won't really personally appeal to me.

>>136292233
What are your preferences?

>>136292263
What does that matter?

>>136292322
*Why

>>136292322
Are you always this fun?

>>136281984
Yes, it's really sad they have such potential to do something great if they try but are satisfied with only being above average.

>>136281984
>they choose to focus on high school slice of life stuff
They haven't done a high school SOL in years though.

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>>136280167
Why are they rich and sitting on the top? It's because they've figured out the formula. Its been tried and tested, proven to be successful. Sure they're getting samey but you can't blame them for sticking with what works. They'll continue to rake in the money for the next decade until everyone's practically apathetic to it. When that time comes some new rogue company will take its place. That's why people were so hyped about studio Trigger when it produced Kill la Kill. They thought it would "save" anime by bringing in some new meta but sadly it wasn't good enough.

>>136292512
Keep in mind /a/ assumes absolutely everything that depicts regular Japanese life is SOL. So Eupho is their most recent SOL under that criteria.

>>136292512
Go fuck yourself, you stupid nigger.

Tamako Market is their best anime.

>>136289492
>Air
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good
>really implying

>>136292515
>rich and sitting on the top

Sunrise 2.72 billion ye profit.
http://shukatsusoken.com/corporate_analysis/kanpo/sunrise_20150529/

Toei 30 billion yen
http://markets.ft.com/research//Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=4816:TYO&subview=IncomeStatement&period=a

Production IG 8.7 billion yen
http://markets.ft.com/research//Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=3791:TYO&subview=IncomeStatement&period=a

KyoAni
165 million yen

Waiting patiently for a high fantasy KyoAni anime.

>>136292737
Munto

>>136292617
>not posting the source for KyoAni
You really expected people to fall for that?

>>136292617
And what have they done in recent years?

Sunrise
>Gintama, Gundam, Love Live!

Toei Animation
>World Trigger

Production I.G.
>Kuroko's Basket, Psycho Pass, Haikyu!

KyoAni
>Chuunibyou, Free!, Amagi Brilliant Park, Sound Euphonium, Phantom World

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>>136292772
Whenever KyoAni does fantasy it doesn't do too well.

>>136292789
Here, you kissless virgin >>136292034

>>136292808
>Phantom World
Jesus, hold you orgasms musume, we're only two episodes in
Anyway Amagi Brilliant Park alone blows away all the others imho, except maybe for Psycho Pass which was a fun watch (but still worse)

>>136292398
Nah, just this place makes me caucious when it comes to talking about anything even slightly personal. Anyways, I like unique, stylized visual designs (stuff by Nakamura or Yuasa), narratives with surreal elements to them (Anno, early Oshii, ABe/Ueda colaborations. Plus in terms of genre I really like cyberpunk especially the more subtle stuff that came with GITS and after it, sometimes called post-cybepunk. Plus strong, sexy female characters.

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>>136290929
I can agree!

>>136280167
They turned to shit in 2012. I wish they stopped doing these LN adaptations with misleading premises.

Best studio in term so animation, and aesthetic when they want to (e.g., Hyouka, Hibike). They put out great series like the aforementioned, but also they go through those periods where they put out average series in terms of plot (e.g., Chuuni, Amaburi, Phantom World, Tamako series). Even if they aren't great, they are still fun watches and still worth watching just for the animation and aesthetic.

It's pretty silly how much hate they get when they're honestly putting out pretty innocuous stuff. KyoAni fanboys are most likely being facetious most of the time, and they do it because they know it riles up the KyoAni haters. And in my opinion, the haters who are actually serious are way worse than the fanboys. KyoAni just gets targeted the most because they are supposedly the face of moe and SoL that those kinds of people hate. Pretty sure if Aria was being adapted for the first time and by KyoAni, those kind of people who needlessly hate like clockwork.

Stuff like Phantom World is enjoyable for what it is as long as you don't have a stick up your ass.

Only FMP, Haruhi, Lucky Star, and Amagi are nice. The rest, put together, form a supermassive black hole of cancer.

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>>136292909

>>136280167
Depends on the show. They have great visuals, but their sameface can be a problem. Some of their shows were good, but some were bad (like KnK). They generally do tend to have good OPs and EDs for their shows, though.

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Green = Masterpiece.
Yellow = Ok.
Red = Either bad or boring.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: You can't

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>>136293121

>>136283510
Is she smoking something?

>>136289769
i really enjoyed, love them both, hibike and tamako love story

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>>136282951
You literally just contradicted yourself.

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>>136292617
Do you even fucking know what profit is you fucking nigger? Because you didn't list it.

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Replace FMP with Munto.

The influx of KyoAni "fans" came in 2009.

Most of them haven't even seen their Key shows

>>136280167
Dislike blob shit, so I don't like their work much.

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>>136282951
>But horrible at writing and direction

>>136293375
>FMP not a masterpiece
>Lucky Star not boring
>Clannad not a masterpiece
>Chuunibyou not ok

>>136294012
I see you like your memes.

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>K-ON was fucking 7 years ago

kill me

More people should watch Munto. I think it would compare more favorably to their recent output than it did against their earlier string of massive successes.

Its reputation might even change in light of being a studio original compared to the plague of LN adaptations killing anime today.

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>>136294186
>kyoani will never do CGDCT again

They've basically been the best animation studio for the last 10 years.

>>136294255
I'll watch it, hopefully it's not as bad as people say.

>>136285401
Why do I have the feeling he had the biggest cock in the show?

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>>136294266
Why have I never thought of such a possibility.
No. They have to adapt another SOL. They have to.

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>>136284436
>>136285401
>tfw you will never fuck Nagisa after letting him fuck you

they will always be special in my book.
=>someone replies making a negative comment about my book

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>>136288442

They were my favorite studio when I was new, but the past several years their quality has ranged from shit to mediocre.

i liked KnK but thats about it. i get bored with most of their other stuff

>>136280167

The top row is far better than the bottom row.

>>136280167
I like them.

Didn't care for them until 2009, now they're my favorite studio.

>>136288530
Where it is from?

They're the only studio where I'll check out their work for the season just because it's Kyoani. I tend to really like how their series starts. Great animation with a lot of personality and an interesting premise.

The main problem that a lot of the recent shows suffer from is that they don't know how to end it. The build up to the season climax is poor and the endings all tend to feel incomplete and unfulfilling.

The last 2 shows that I thought ended well were K-on!! and Amaburi.

>>136280167

The highest point for them was probably Endless Eight and especially Disappearance. I remember all the hype just for a camrip.

>>136280167
2013, 2006, and 2003 are best in that order. The rest are meh.

>>136299150
In 2013 you're including Tamako and excluding Free, right? This is important.