Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll

Good characters stuck I'm shit series thread?

>>135652814
>his motivation.
"Hurrr I want to be a monster, because heroes always win, that's not fair!!!"

Yeah no, great villains are relatable, not cliche retards who decide to go full evil just because the cartoons they watched as kids showed the good side always winning.

>>135652911
>relatable
This just shows that you don't understand at all.

>>135652911
>great villains are relatable,
Wrong.

Good characters are believable, compelling, and dimensional.

>>135652911
>great villains are relatable
hahahaahahaha holy fuck

well aren't you the edgiest kid on the block

>>135652911
Make sure you get a pat-down before you entire a highly populated building.

>>135652911
>Probably thinks Ozymandias unquestionably did the right thing.
>Will reply with some rationalization.

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>>135652911
either... you're a speed reader. you didnt get far enough to actually know. or you're just stupid.

try actually finishing the arc before you shitpost.

>>135652911
>>his motivation.
>"Hurrr I want to be a monster, because heroes always win, that's not fair!!!"

He was kinda right since the majority of "Heroes" in the OPMverse are huge assholes that only care for personal glory and popularity like his school bullies did.

>Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll find.
Why do OPMfags have such low standards?

>>135653080
just because saitama is a huge parody gag character doesn't mean 90% of the rest of the cast isn't, yknow.

>>135652814
Totally agree. Can't wait for the entire Garou arc to be done by Murata so we can see what he does with the fight scenes he has in monster form.
Also his speech about Saitama being made up of all the "unfairness" in the world was great. You somewhat feel bad for him in the end, or I did at least. Hope we see more of him.

>>135652956
Nothing believable about some kid deciding his life purpose is to be evil because there needs to be more evil in the world, just... because.
>>135652971
How am I edgy? stop using words you don't even understand, faggot. A good villain should be relatable, I'm not saying I relate to most villains, just that I'd prefer someone who became the way they are because of SOME reason, not because THEY are edgy little faggots.

>>135653100
Just because OPM is the best anime you've ever seen doesn't mean it's better than everything else out there, 'yknow'.

>>135653050
>He was kinda right since the majority of "Heroes" in the OPMverse are huge assholes that only care for personal glory and popularity like his school bullies did.
He doesn't care about that. He just wants to fight the ghosts of his past and doesn't care that Mumen Rider is actually a GOOD hero. He would have disabled all the heroes ending with them all being killed by monsters, and Garou would still continue to believe the monsters "did nothing wrong".

Garou is simply insane. He doesn't even know what he is doing.

>>135653113
So a kid getting bullied to the point he despises the 'Good' standard and the masses default setting to it isn't relatable just because he became a monstrous villain out it? or is it just because he became a monster you think he is impossible to relate to?

I never felt close or accepted truly by my father, who was closer to my brother that shared interests with him... but im not a norse god, so i guess I can't relate to Loki.

>>135653080

The punchline of the joke at the end of the Garou saga was great desu senpai Garou just was a bitter kid throwing a tantrum, I think ONE was mocking edgy characters pretty well >>135653044

>>135653113
>How am I edgy? stop using words you don't even understand, faggot

>T-t-take that, y-you, fff-f-faggot.

Everybody on this board is laughing at you. Just kill yourself.

>>135653212
Typical OPMfag post. Just go back to /v/.

>>135653220
Nice projection, faggot.
>Just kill yourself
Well that sure showed me! Go emulate your lazily written character some more, retard.

>>135653249
typical regular fag with a "go to / / " post

>>135653218
OPMfags are so deluded they somehow think their parody manga has actual non parody characters with actual motivations

>>135653267
I'll kiss you if you don't knock it off, autismo.

>>135653108
He could have been as on top of the world as he wished. but against saitama, he was just a mother fucker trying to ice skate uphill.

Wow OPM fans sure are cancerous, this thread is embarrassing

>>135653356
Really is

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>>135653298
>mfw OPMfags unironically argue about Saitama's powerlevel

Garou was fucking grating. I had to bang my head against the wall every time he showed up and drove his angst train all the way to the climax.

Shit was shallow as all fuck and the pacing simply didn't merit the focus on an incredibly annoying antagonist who was as deep as a puddle on the sidewalk. I doubt anybody was supposed to feel bad for him considering how fucking banal his entire character was. But hey, at least the hobo jesus was interesting.

>>135652898
>I'm shit series
You certainly are.

Doesn't he want to become a monster because he's a bully victim and relates to their always being on the losing end? It's not unusual for nips to blame the victim.

Monsters are the underdogs for him. It's similar to how /pol/ lauds Nazis and dictators.

>>135653414
I think the worst thing about Garou is his design. It's unaesthetic as fuck, he looks like a side character. The rest of his character is as dumb and over the top as anything else in OPM.

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>>135652911

Boros vs Garou

>>135653507
>looks like a side character

so sorry he did have bangs in his face, tired dark bags under his eyes, wearing a dark trench coat or robe like coating. with black finger nails.

and so sorry he wasnt super suave, cool as ice, and always in control with a gambit plan to go with every contingency so even when he loses he actually somehow wins.

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>>135653559
They stalemate.

>>135653414
>hobo jesus

This.

>>135653569
The fuck are you on about, you passive aggressive retard?

>>135653507
So? he was a normal guy with a big ambition. Why wouldn't he look like a normal guy like how a side character would?

he wants to be a terrifying monster? what part of that translates to "i must dress to be muh edgy villain"

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>>135653559
Boros story is tragic.
Garou must have been the fighter he was destined to fight, but instead saitama fought him

>>135653642
are you playing retard?

he is saying you dont have to look like a uchiha to be a villain.

>>135652911
>great villains are relatable

what? Always?

are you being serious?

>>135653685
>>135653650
You guys have terrible reading comprehension. I didn't mention anything about bangs, looking edgy, or any of that bullshit. If that's what you think I mean by "aesthetic", then that says more about your shit taste than anything else.

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Garou is not a good villain. He was just a lame powerhouse. Saitama needs a villain with more brains than brawn. He needs a Lex Luthor, but with luxurious locks, someone who will challenge his morals and push him to the limit in ways that all the push-ups in the world couldn't prepare him for.

>>135653665
Boros would wreck Garou, though.

>>135652911
Except that's not really his motivation at all. Read the webcomic. Garou was bullied by the popular pretty kids when he was young. When watching the superhero shows then, he couldn't help but identify with the monsters as being bullied by the hero's. Despite becoming and no longer being bullied by anyone as an adult, Garou could never get rid of the anger and fear and rejection he felt as a child being bullied by the pretty popular kids. It didn't matter how strong he got, it was always there, eating away at him because he couldn't let it go.

Garou's stuck in the past and refuses to face up to it. His monster fetish is just an excuse to cover up that pain and affords him a means to continue lying to himself about were his anger really comes from. Saitama's verbal beatdown is what made him finally start coming to terms with that. Or at least begin too, and I sincerely hope we get him returning in the future.

>>135653775
>Saitama needs a villain with more brains than brawn
Didn't that already happen? He just punched shit anyways.

>someone who will challenge his morals and push him to the limit in ways that all the push-ups in the world couldn't prepare him for.
Morals? But he's doing this as a hobb-

>limit
>Saitama
Oh okay. You speedread.

>>135653775
>Metal Knight

>>135653845
>*Despite becoming stronger*

>>135653845
>Except
stopped reading your novel there

>>135653845
Being an edgy bad guy because you were bullied as a kid is, like, one of the most common and conventional tropes out there, so much so that it has also become one of the most universally mocked. This isn't good. It's bad, and deliberately so.

>>135653949
The frequency or infrequency of a trope is not what makes it good or bad. It's how it's used. In my opinion, the "being bullied as motivation" trope was used perfectly fine in Garou's case.

>>135653559
What feats has group done that comes close to sending a person within atmosphere all the way to the moon in mere seconds.
The amount of force to reach escape velocity is hueg

>>135654032
Superior technique and speed.

>>135654032
>featsfag
not this shit again

>>135653907
You do know that except and accept are two different words, right? And in the case of >>135653845 it's being used correctly.

So Garou is like Kumagawa?

>>135654090
>being this butthurt
top kek

>>135654232
Nope Kumagawa is a good character.

>>135652814
>villian
But anon, he just wanted to be a saikou hero

>>135654334
When will this meme end?

>>135653559
>boros kicks garou onto the moon
>the end

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>>135654232
Fucking cuntrag used the lord's name in vain.

>>135654535
Garou would mitigate most of the force. He;d go high, but not that high.

>>135654614
>It wouldn't work based on this shit I completely fucking mad up

Garou couldn't even mitigate the force of being thrown into the air when Saitama lifted up the broken up MA.

>>135652911
>Garou
>Not relatable

I bet you don't even have a wicked sense of humor

There's a difference between being relatable and someone being able to see where you're coming from.

The difference between sympathy and empathy

>>135654685
That's because he had no idea what Saitama was doing. Saitama's motive for that attack was "Something so big and powerful he can't dodge or block it, he just has to ride it out."

>>135652911
That's not Garou's motivation. His motivation was to be a true hero so to speak, but he felt monsters were the true heroes and heroes the true villains because the heroes he met were hypocrites. He gets his motivations mixed up and thinks by beating all the heroes he can be a true monster, thus inspiring people to be true heroes.

>>135654727
Unless you're telling me Garou can dodge literally 100% of Boros' attacks, then no, he's fucked. There is no way he can avoid getting lifted up by Boros' space kick unless he can somehow increase his weight/mass at will, because even if he somehow takes no damage a magical something called physics will make it happen anyway, like with Saitama.

>>135654788
Well fine. Garou gets shot into the moon. That would be the gayest fight ever. Congratulations.

>>135652814
never read the ONE webcomic, but does this mean that garou eventually turns into a real monster?

>>135654835
> Never read ONE webcomic
>Tell me what happens in it so I don't have to read it

Fuck off

>>135654810
Just like every Saitama fight then?

>>135654869
Yeah but you expect Saitama to win. Boros and Garou are apparently on the same level according to ONE so you'd expect more of a struggle than Boros kicking Garou into the moon.

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>>135654835
Sorta but not really

I mean, the conclusion to the garou arc has already been posted in this thread

>>135654902
Does that mean Garou can kick people into the moon as well?

>>135654928
I don't know, does it?

Did Garou regain a limit when he became a monster?

>>135654928
No. He can't

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>>135653100
>saitama is a huge parody gag character
Saitama is a ___true hero___

He just doesnt get the credit he deserves, thats all.

>>135654993
He lost sight of his goals.
Thats when he faltered.

>>135655001
>Boros > Garou confirmed

>>135654928
Garou does not match Boros' strength and possibly speed, but he surpasses Boros in technique.

>>135652911
The crux here is that Garou confused two separate matters to be the same thing. Garou liked the monsters in the cartoons he watched and rooted for them to win, however he was told that they're supposed to lose. That they're always supposed to lose to the heroes.

In a separate incident, he was in a game of heroes and monsters with his classmates. His classmates chose him to be the monster and he got beaten up. Then, when he wanted a rematch with the 'hero', everyone ganged up on him and blamed him while supporting the 'hero' kid because he was popular.

In his mind, Garou equated the idea of monsters with whatever society deemed to be wrong or unjust. However, because of his experiences as a child, he knew that not everything that society called wrong was actually in the wrong. And that's just from his own personal experience.

That does not mean he does not know what actual, real evil is. In his final speech against the heroes, he talked about how the safety the heroes brought would only let evil grow in the hearts of people. He's aware that what the heroes do is for the good of everyone, and that some things which are evil ARE truly bad. It's just that Garou could not just say directly what's in his heart, possibly because it's a personal issue from his past and it did not have any bearing on the situations he found himself in. He was even been talking about himself in that last speech of his, when he was talking about the kids who wished for a monster to plunge the world into despair and how the peace created by heroes would let evil grow in people. Because the teachers and adults sided with the other kid unfairly without hearing him out just so that they could settle matters and create 'peace' quickly, he ended up becoming the kind of person he is today.

Hence his wish for someone who would stick up for people like him or the ugly kid. Someone who would help the misunderstood or neglected and wouldn't just unilaterally deem him to be wrong.

Would a nice monster survive in OPM's world?
Or would Sweet Mask or whatever his name is kill it immediately?

Ok, I'm tired of waiting for Murata releases. Which chapter should I start reading from in the original version to continue from where Murata version is now?

>>135655310
Read the webcomic.

>>135655380
Just start again from when Garou shows up. ONE's been writing extra content for the redraw so there's no equivalent chapter.

>>135655422
Are you referring to golden sperm and rover?
I guess I phrased my question awfully. Oh well.

>>135655310
Remnants from the house of evolution run a takoyaki shop

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>>135654232
No.
He's just Sasuke 2.0 >>135653547

>>135655483
Which chapter would that be?

>>135655616
Nevermind, I found it. Thanks, anon who posted >>135655483.

>>135653845

So Garou was Porky from Earthbound with training.

Meh.

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>>135652911
>, great villains are relatable
1, you are stupid
2, that was not his reason to be ultimate evil


>>135652814
sorry op, but you are wrong

>>135655135
>Hence his wish for someone who would stick up for people like him or the ugly kid. Someone who would help the misunderstood or neglected and wouldn't just unilaterally deem him to be wrong.
And yet he still ended up beating up other people to make himself feel superior. i.e. a bully, just like his childhood nightmares. He became what he feared.

No, he didn't kill anyone. But neither did the bullies who attacked him as a child. If him not being a killer is enough to make him innocent, then the same would apply to the bullies who hurt him. The bullies killed no one either, so why should they be judged and more than Garou?

>>135653665
garou cant hold a candle to boros

I cared about Boros, Because he respected Saitama. Fuck Garou his just an edgy kid.

>>135655001
We really don't know that yet, as the garou fight hasn't been redrawn by murta. Originally Satiama did not get kicked to the moon in the webcomic, that was added later.

Are human villains that uncommon to warrant naming Garou the "Human Monster"? I guess I can't recall any major ones other than that egghead guy and maybe Sonic, and then that was that swarm of criminals he slaughtered... but it doesn't seem they'd be too unheard of.

Or is it mostly a reference to his powerlevel/skills?

>>135655135
Its really silly how people are trying to make Garou a lot deeper than he actually is. He was just some guy who wanted to be a hero, but wasn't confident enough to actually try as a hero, so he went for the second best, and became a monster, since it was easier.

Thats it.

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>>135655518
>He's just Sasuke 2.0
>tfw not pic-related, the most obviously glorious example

It's actually a fairly known trope for villains/anti-villains.

>>135654535
>Implying Garou would let his opponent hit him like other bald retard

>>135655832
So Garou is a punk bitch?

>>135655962
In all likelihood, he probably can't do that. It should be pretty obvious, given how Garou was differentiated from other monsters because of his techniques and how ONE said Garou and Boros are equal.

>>135656003
Garou was called the Human Monster because he said he was a monster. In any other case, he'd just be a criminal. He's treated as a monster because of his own words.

If there's any difference in treatment, it would probably be in how resistant they may be to killing a human compared to a monster. I mean, it's not like human criminals aren't killed, but taking monsters into custody is much harder unless they're weak or a strong enough hero apprehends them. In any case, killing monsters is completely okay. So I guess you could say that's the HA deciding that Garou is too dangerous to treat with any restraint.

>>135656050
>Its really silly how people are trying to make Garou a lot deeper than he actually is.
It's because Garou himself tried to make up excuses in order to make himself seem deep, when it was all bullshit he made up on the spot. Some readers just took his words as gospel, without realising he was lying the whole time.

>>135655518
Hes not though. Sasuke was completely serious and worked on this plan for a while. Garou made that shit up on the fly to try and tear apart Saitama's methods and overcome him the only way he thought he could, by being more righteous (in a sense)

>>135656087
>So Garou is a punk bitch?
He couldn't let go of being hurt as a kid and went insane, fantasising about beating up his childhood enemies by targeting heroes. His entire arc is Garou being completely delusional, and only Saitama noticed that his words made no sense.

>>135654788
Uh, Garou has the advantage in melee, as ONE said. While getting kicked into space would surely beat him, the problem is actually doing it in the first place.

As for people who brought up how Saitama hit him in the beginning of the fight, that's because Garou was confused. His thoughts were disordered. Once he had calmed himself down, he was able to properly read Saitama.

>>135655079
He had no goals to begin with, he was half-assing it and making it up as he went.

>>135656126
>Uh, Garou has the advantage in melee, as ONE said. While getting kicked into space would surely beat him, the problem is actually doing it in the first place.
Not to mention Garou had never fought seriously except when against actual monsters. He never even went all out against Saitama. So if he was holding back then it can be believed he could have done much more than what we saw him do.

>>135656003

Sanic and the bunch are just simple criminals, motivated for money etc. while garou as far as the heroes were concerned wanted the world to just burn.

>>135655771
No, Porky was genuinely evil. Garou believes in righteousness and was just angry because a hero never came to save him from bullying and unfairness.

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>>135653547
>ripping off watchmen this hard

bravo one

>>135656050
Uh. You really don't get it.

He didn't JUST want to be a hero. He wanted to be a hero who could save EVERYBODY. So as critical as he was of everybody else, he also applied the same standards to himself and knew that he couldn't be the hero he wanted either. That's why he chose to be a monster.

Anyway, nothing I said was that deep. It's wordy, but it's all completely obvious. If you're too lazy to read through it, I just TLDR'd it for you. Everything else is just the reasons for why Garou looks down on heroes. I mean, if you take the moment to actually even think it through, you'd see it's all there in the story, everything I said.

I don't get people saying that Garou's desire for "world peace" as a lie on his part. He seemed to genuinely believe it and it doesn't contradict his past and outlook as a would-be villain. Rather, his means of achieving it was through his monstrous villainy since he couldn't become the hero he wanted, he'd rather paint himself as an unstoppable target that would force the heroes to act more efficiently. The downside to his plan was that he himself became too strong to the point that no hero could stand up to him, and when one finally did, it wasn't exactly the kind of hero he had idealized in his mind which only serves to show how warped his views were in assuming the role of a monster despite wishing to be an actual hero.

>>135654788
Garou is strongest in close range battle. Not calling him faster than Saitama, but when Garou started focusing, he could out-move Saitama (of course he wasn't trying, but still) Garou is a prodigy of martial arts, and do to his psuedo transformation, he became stronger and faster, and was able to make up for the lack of power against Saitama by reading him before he even moved. In a ranged battle, Boros has the advantage with his huge lasers, but up close Garou has the advantage, since Boros simply could not move fast enough.

>>135656095
>So I guess you could say that's the HA deciding that Garou is too dangerous to treat with any restraint.
Yeah. Normally human criminals are assigned a strength level just like heroes, B and C class and whatnot. Humans are not usually given disaster rankings.

>>135652911
But it wasn't about that at all, idiot. He wanted to become a common enemy for everyone, good and bad, so that people would instead put all of their energy into defeating him, and thanks to that not fight between themselves all the time. He wanted to become the biggest hero by becoming the biggest villain.

>>135656156
>Not to mention Garou had never fought seriously except when against actual monsters. He never even went all out against Saitama. So if he was holding back then it can be believed he could have done much more than what we saw him do.
Not true. Garou was only holding back in the beginning. Then he took Saitama on seriously as an opponent, even using all of his body's strength.

Remember, just because Saitama said Garou was going easy on him, that doesn't mean that statement applied for the entire fight. Just think of when exactly he actually said it. Garou was most definitely taking Saitama seriously with all his might by the end, hence why he transformed even further. The mutation is caused by frustration and loosens a person's humanity, after all.

>>135656205
>That's why he chose to be a monster.
He was PLAYING a monster. He was doing the equivalent of wearing a fake bomb vest and waving real guns with no ammo in them. And he was mad that heroes are ganging up on him, just like in his childhood, because in his delusion he was a kid again and there was no reason why the heroes aren't "playing fair". He was making himself a threat and then complain that people wanted him dead.

>>135656003
Garou's literal introduction has him saying that he's neither on the good guys' nor the criminal's side. Monsters are enemies to all mankind, criminals aren't part of that.

>>135656212
>he'd rather paint himself as an unstoppable target that would force the heroes to act more efficiently.
That would have just cause all the heroes to be injured and then everyone die to monsters. I am not going to cause the fire department to become more efficient by me setting more fires to buildings. Are you suggesting that arsonists are meant to be helping fire fighters?

>>135656205
>He didn't JUST want to be a hero. He wanted to be a hero who could save EVERYBODY.
No, he didn't, that was never mentioned or brought up in the webcomic. All Garou wanted to be was a hero, not the best hero, not the strongest, he just wanted a chance to be the hero, but he wasn't confident enough to do that. All his stuff about uniting the world through fear was literally bullshit he was spouting to try and tear down the heroe's methods, thats why literally everything he said was contradicting himself later on, because he was just arguing for the sake of arguing. When he was getting his ass beat down by Saitama he had no way of answering him, because he had no answer, it was only later on he came up with something to attack Saitama with, which was his speech about unfair evil uniting the world.

>>135656291
What you're saying is essentially what I meant by the downside/flaw in his plan though, so I don't really disagree with you.

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Posting a better villain to redeem this thread.

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So where is the series going to go, anyway?

>>135656341
>What you're saying is essentially what I meant by the downside/flaw in his plan though, so I don't really disagree with you.
It isn't a flaw, it is literally nonsensical because Garou never thought about it. He made it up on the fly to justify himself. The whole point with Saitama is that he saw right through Garou's bullshitting, that nearly everything Garou said about his own motivations was a lie.

>>135656401
I wouldn't exactly say it was a lie though, more like a very nonsensical compromise built on his very wish to become hero deep inside, hence why Saitama was even able to read him. If he didn't spout all that "world peace" spiel, Saitama wouldn't have gotten the clue that Garou wanted to be a hero at all.

>>135656212
It was a lie because he made it all up on the spot. Garou never once brought up this greater goal of his until AFTER he was beaten down by Saitama. Even during Garou's beat down, Saitama kept prying into what Garou's goals were, and Garou couldn't respond at all. After the other heroes started to order his execution he finally came up with something to say.

>>135656455
>I wouldn't exactly say it was a lie though, more like a very nonsensical compromise built on his very wish to become hero deep inside
Garou was beating up heroes because he was fantasising about beating up his childhood bullies. This is his only real motivation for doing it. And he wanted to do it because he wants to dispense justice against bullies. That's all. But Garou couldn't SAY that, because he knows he is actually beating up innocent people AS a bully. So he retroactively made shit up.

I think Garou's motivations being quite deep is what the joke is all about really, in the end Saitama just doesn't give a shit about a meaning behind being a hero, he just kicks Garou's ass because he's making a ruckus.

>>135656539
>I think Garou's motivations being quite deep is what the joke is all about really
It isn't deep if it was fabricated.

>>135656539
>think Garou's motivations being quite deep is what the joke

Not everything in OPM's writing is meant to be a joke. The series is satirical but not to the extent some of you claim.

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if this thread shows anything, it's that /a/ has no idea what "deep" means.

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>>135656771

>>135653080

What do you expect when a long series is built entirely upon an shitty gag? The only reason I like OPM is the drawing. The gags are not even funny. If OPM had bad drawing it would not have received so much popularity.

>>135652814
>literally an edgy teenager that picks on heroes because he's still butthurt from bring bullied as a kid
>best anything
Yeah,no. Read more manga.

>>135653845
>m-muh bullying
>good motivation
And in the trash it goes

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>>135652928

>>135657427
>literally an edgy teenager
>he's still butthurt from bring bullied as a kid

So, /a/?

>>135657555
Nice try but edgy teenagers don't watch CGDCT.

>>135657957
They like cute girls doing edgy things.

>>135658002
/a/ thought KLK was shit though.

>>135658062
Explains all those threads while it was airing.

>>135656245
Even more so than the transformation. We had Garou's on introspection. He couldn't think of a single thing to improve on to change the outcome of the fight.

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>>135658091
Every single year

every single season

Every single popular anime

>>135658091
Everyone thought it was going to 'save anime' (jokingly of course, but it was still earnestly hyped), not be a crappy edgefest. By the time they were using CGI Satsuki everyone dropped all pretense of it being good and just ironically shitposted it to hell because it was already popular by then and shitting on crappy shows with /a/ is always more fun than just watching said crappy show. Same deal with shit like Guilty Crown.

Why do people struggle so much with Saitama's role in the narrative?

>>135658340
Because they're autistic enough to let a work of fiction bother them.

>>135658340
>Why do people struggle so much with Saitama's role in the narrative?
Because Saitama was never suppose to be allowed to succeed. People who work hard but doesn't have a special pedigree or genius is not suppose to be number 1. That's why Rock Lee, Krillin and Kazuma Kuwabara are always rendered irrelevant.

If people like that succeed, it makes everyone else look bad; including the audience. We are suppose to bitch about how Ichigo, Naruto and Yusuke cheated by having powerful parents. By having a nobody being number 1, it implied that everyone who hasn't succeeded didn't work hard enough. Audience wants to justify their own laziness.

>>135659380
>basic strength training for 3 years
>hard work

>>135659649
>>basic strength training for 3 years
>>hard work
Basic training that would kill you if you followed it. But you already know that.

>>135659733
Then why didn't it kill Saitama? How can you argue he's not a special snowflake then imply he has some special snowflake characteristics which allowed him to survive fatal training?

>>135659380
I understand your view but it's not really what I'm referring to. The way I see OPM is that while Saitama is the viewpoint character, he tends to occupy the role of an antagonist, specifically in the sense that he cannot ever be forced to submit. The meat of the story is in other characters having inner conflicts and Saitama's presence forces them to resolve them or be destroyed.

>>135659797
Because he removed his limiter

>>135659797
>Then why didn't it kill Saitama? How can you argue he's not a special snowflake then imply he has some special snowflake characteristics which allowed him to survive fatal training?
He has no special abilities. He just trained harder than everyone else.

And I heard all the complaints before. "But what about all the other heroes? Did they not train hard enough?"
And that brings up my original point from >>135659380

That there is hostility to a character wining through hard work alone, because it by its very nature is insulting to many people. So yes, you insist he couldn't have worked that hard. I expect that. You said the same things that have been said for the last 4 months. Because you couldn't allow it.

>>135659908
You completely dodged the question there. How can he 'train harder than everyone else' if you say his training regime would kill you if you followed it? You're explicitly implying he's didn't start out as a normal person.

>>135658167
>death note
Death note was never good.

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>>135652814
>>135652898
>>135652911
>Best built up villains
>Good characters stuck in shit series
>His motivation

I can't think of one. Nips doesn't have any good characterization on their story.

>>135659967
No, he just didn't die when he was killed. It was a fluke.

>>135659967
>How can he 'train harder than everyone else' if you say his training regime would kill you if you followed it?
If you train like Goku it would kill you too. The point I was making is that his training is hard. The fact that it is impossible in the real world doesn't mean it is impossible in OPM. So you acknowledged it ISN'T "just normal strength training"?

His training was very hard, and since it was hard it is possible it was harder than everyone else's.

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>>135660035
If you're going that route then it's normal strength training by OPM universe rules.

Plenty of Thai boxers train a lot harder than Saitama, and also have fights every 1-2 weeks.

It's not that hard even by real world standards regardless what all you people say

>>135659967
Because limiters are retarded, Saitama worked stupidly hard for him towards a goal he really wanted to achieve, broke his limiter and got what he wanted. The same could be said for Garou.

>>135658340
Because he's ridiculously powerful. That's all.

>>135660076
>If you're going that route then it's normal strength training by OPM universe rules.
No one has actually TRIED Saitama's training. You can't say it is normal if he is the only one who has done it.

>>135660140
If his training really was fatally intense then he'd die before he broke his limiter.

Why are OPMfags so stupid?

>>135660167
see >>135660135

>>135660135
Except people always miss the important part about Saitama's training. He didn't just do a regular, standard work out, he did his work out all out, every day. He had no rest days, he didn't acclimate himself to the exercise, he went from 0 to 100 from the get go. Other people are wrong, it's not a fatal work out, but in reality that kind of intense routine would destroy a person's body unless they were lucky. Saitama wasn't some Thai boxer, he wasn't an regular exerciser, he was an average salary man.

>>135660195
Are you going to tell me that eating too much crab really makes you a crabman monster in real life? Because that's what I getting from you

>>135660195
>see >>135660135
Boxers don't train every day for 3 years. Literally no one does that.

>>135660323
You're the one telling me that 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats and a 10km run every day is deadly intense training and will turn me into a god if I manage to pull it off.

>>135659733
Dude, that level of training would mess up your leg muscles down the line, but in no way would it fucking kill you.
Ironmen train harder than that daily and they don't just fall over dead in three years. After about ten years they get real screwed up bone problems though.

>>135660358
>Ironmen train harder than that daily and they don't just fall over dead in three years. After about ten years they get real screwed up bone problems though.
I am sure they train hard. But NOT "everyday".

>>135660357
Congratulations, now you understand why Genos and Asura Rhino think Saitama's strenght is bullshit

>>135660395
Ironman training is every day.
http://www.active.com/triathlon/articles/the-4-rules-of-ironman-training

>>135660357
No one is saying that you huge autist, people are saying thats how a fictional character in a fictional piece of work managed to attain that power.

>>135660414
>No one is saying that
Is reading the quote chain that hard?

>>135660424
Oh please anon, point me to the specific post that said you would gain godly powers in real fucking life from using that training routine.
I will be waiting.

>>135660413
>That means you'll be training almost every day of the week.
>Almost
Almost isn't "every day"

>>135653022
It wasn't the "right thing" but it was pretty fucking cool

>>135660468
It is still every day, despite that. Admittedly, they do usually have a light training day for recovery, usually normal swimming and biking with no intensive workout.

Saitama got there through willpower.

>>135660455
Eh, I was referring to the 'impossibly deadly in real life' part.

>>135655132
>I'm going to win because my speed is superior.jpg

What everyone is arguing boils down to this; did Saitama train harder than his peers or not?

The franchise claim the answer is yes. But that appear to be disputed by some people here.

>>135660542
he didn't, but he thought he did

>>135660542
Sort of. The franchise acknowledges he's not doing very complex or ultra-hard training.
What he did do was persevere when most people would at least take a break.

>>135660503
You also have to remember people who get into that Ironman shit usually already have a long history of working out and exercising and such. You don't just take some guy sitting in a cubicle and throw him into the full Ironman workout routine from day one, but thats what Saitama did, but on a smaller scale.

>>135660354
His routine every day, is worlds easier than this routine done 6 out of 7 days a week. His routine could be finished within an hour easily

http://breakingmuscle.com/kickboxing-boxing/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-muay-thai-fighter

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>>135660535
Of course anyone who say its impossibly deadly is retarded, but it would fuck you up big time for sure.

>>135660590
Fair enough, but it's still more "severe muscle and bone damage" rather than "literally lethal".

>>135660583
>What he did do was persevere when most people would at least take a break.
tl;dr, "Hard work".

>>135660542
I think it's also about his resolve too. His only reason for training was to be a hero, with no ulterior motive.

>>135660591
So you are comparing the work out regiment of a Muay Thai fighter...to the work out regiment of a salary man? Are you an idiot?

>>135660591
>running 10k in an hour

>>135660733
Darkshine and TTM would be stronger than him if that's the case

And they aren't

>>135660878
I don't know how fit he was before he started, but it would have only been difficult for him the first month until he got used to it. I started running 5Ks when I was unfit and a heavy smoker so it's not inconceivable to me.

>>135660890
nice greentext


Saitama's work out is a warmup for this guy

http://www.fightcamptravel.com/en/buakaw-por-pramuk-training-and-diet/

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>Garou's final form is a Devil King

BRAVO ONE

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>>135652814
Garou is undoubtedly one of the best written characters in OPM, judging from the heated debates he inspires alone.

He's a bombastic anti-villain, a tragic anti-hero, a human who pushed his limiter, a monster who is not a monster, someone who made Saitama curious about him and managed to escape death after facing the baldy. All in one package.

He's always had a plan, by the way. The plan was literally taking the HA down to become the Ominous Monster boss who'd make the world better, more just, according to him. Garou is so based he flipped both MA and HA off, all to install his own world order.

But the best thing is, he'll eventually come back to conduct good if ONE survives.

Wheres the second part of chapt 105?
Go to work ONE.

>>135661042
>Darkshine and TTM would be stronger than him if that's the case
>And they aren't
Once again, you are assuming they train harder than him. And why is that? There is no evidence that TTM works out Everyday. And Darkshine only tried to have good looking muscles as his training goal.

They both gained powers. But neither did what Saitama did. Your thinking is circular. You don't think Saitama train harder than these two, so you think therefore it is proof Saitama didn't train harder than these two. That's not proof.

>>135652814
The thing about Saitama is that he so strong that many conundrums don't apply to him
some stereotypes that often apply don't do so to him
>i have to get stronger so i can face any monster that comes my way
Already did that, realised it sucks
>what if bystanders get hurt
Fast enough to protect them if he senses them
Saitama is strong enough to carry any burden, so he while he may appear to not care, he actually has most shit under control.
I may or may not have communicated my point very poorly

>>135656771
i think /a/ its just a shadow of his former "thinking self" these days...

>>135656351
He did nothing wrong.

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Why fucker love discuss about Saitama's power, but they dont even know what really happened?

>>135652898
Your're posting in a thread for the wrong series then

>>135652814
Garou is a retard,I fucked hated him.
Thank God MA appeared too or that part would be a snoozefest

>>135662734
what chapter? i want to remember that

>>135663083
When Zombieman went to wipe out the remnants of the House of Evolution

>>135661680
how stupid those monster were?

>>135663262
thanks anon, i think is a big opened point for the future, i can't wait to what ONE will do after the mini arc of the sisters

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>>135656189
>not Code Geass

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>>135656468
>he made it all up on the spot

Garou mentions the injustice of the world in all his flashbacks and says that he wants to destroy HA right away (later MA too). It's not hard to comprehend that he wanted to change the fucking world by himself, by becoming that "universal symbol of fear". He never explained himself to the heroes because they didn't listen to him, they just put words in his mouth much like the teachers who ignored his point completely. He didn't even expect them to understand him and he never trusted them to help him, he was disgusted with them.

It's also made clear early on in Garou's arc that he's not an inherently evil character, so him having a noble goal is nothing surprising. In the final fight it becomes downright comical, for example when he calls himself a monster in front of the heroes and saves the kid from Tats' boulder immediately after.

Garou was desperately muttering about changing the world before Saitama broke his final costume as well. Saitama challenged Garou in a way no other hero could and made the guy word-vomit his motivation and bottled up frustration, even revealing his personal issues to others for the first time, when he asked Garou about the point of that entire clusterfuck. The problem wasn't his goal but the fact that he chose the wrong means to reach it and went against his own self (compromised by becoming a monster instead of a hero) in the process.

>garou say something that makes sense
>"he was just pretending"

is it possible to take anything he says at face value?

>>135653356
>>135653360
>OPM fans
Why are you in a thread about One Punch Man if you don't like One Punch Man?
>this thread is embarrassing
Joining a thread about something you don't like just to shitpost is the only embarrassing thing here.

>>135664249
>He didn't even expect them to understand him and he never trusted them to help him, he was disgusted with them.
He was disgusted with Mumen Rider too? Despite Mumen STOPPING TTM from killing Garou?
Your entire argument is just Garou's excuses, and none of it match his actions. He is disgusted with his childhood bullies and he was delusional enough to think they are the HA. That's why he is trying to destroy it, he was having as power trip about fighting back against the bules who used to hurt him.

Except... He wasn't fighting bullies. He WAS the bully!

>>135655518
holy shit the edge

>>135661070
>Saitama's work out is a warmup for this guy
I bet that faggot uses heating/air conditioning in the winter/summer.

>>135662132
>Saitama is strong enough to carry any burden
Yeah but unfortunately he isn't that smart. With his strength he could have pushed that meteor back into space but instead he just punched it, sending all the debris crashing into the city.

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>>135665013
>He was disgusted with Mumen Rider too?

Not this shit again. Yes, he was, because the tru hero Rider just dismissed him, pretty much. DS did too, later. You do realize that only Saitama actually stopped to listen to Garou, ponder about his motivation and kept asking him questions without dismissing him as "wrong" immediately? Only Saitama, another "individual", was able to get him as well.

>bully

He literally says it's not as simple as bullying and mentions the whole world being unfair as it is, he says he wants to change that. His goal (peace, stopping wars, protecting kids) is revealed to be noble, which is in tune with his true desire to become a hero. He only chose the wrong means to reach it because the childhood trauma affecting his confidence and the image of heroes in his society made him believe he wasn't fit to become one. Destroying both HA and MA was a natural step in his crusade to become the world's Ultimate NOTevil. Both stood in his way.

>>135666190
>Garou aint dun nuffin wrong
>he is a good boy

>It's just a hobby

What did Saitama mean by this?
After the deep and thought-provoking argument laid out by Garou, which highlights the Yin-Yang balance aspect of the universe, why did Saitama reply with such a mysterious answer?

It reminds me of the story of the laughing Buddha. A child stops the Buddha as he is walking and asks him what was Zen, and the Buddha just drops his bag and then immediately picks it back up.

Holy shit, I've never been so perplexed in my life. What an ambiguous statement from the B-class hero... Truly the deepest lore.

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>>135666768
this has to be bait or something like that right?

>>135666190
>You do realize that only Saitama actually stopped to listen to Garou, ponder about his motivation and kept asking him questions without dismissing him as "wrong" immediately?
But Garou IS wrong. And Saitama DID dismiss him!
The only thing Saitama did differently was that he couldn't be bullied. Garou just beat up people because he wants to, and Saitama was the unmovable wall. Saitama didn't "Understand" Garou, everyone knows what Garou is; a violent lunatic. Garou merely was unable to beatr Saitama, and that really is the only thing a bully understands. A bully needs to be put down. Saitama merely disagrees about a death sentence.

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>>135666604
>killed monsters
>never killed humans
>protected humans
>had a noble goal and a good heart
>didn't pay the bill just like Saitama

Canonverse, nothing wrong. People saying otherwise are just hysterically butthurt because their favorite hero got a bit beat up by Garou in this, hm, funny battle webcomic.

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So what do you think GOD is?

Do all the people defending garou forget what he did to poor darkshine

>>135666971
>>never killed humans
The bullies who ganged up on Garou as a kid never killed humans either. I guess by that rule they are heroes too?

>>135667012
>Do all the people defending garou forget what he did to poor darkshine
It's just a type of trolling. No one is THAT retarded.

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>>135666988
A god maybe?
just throwing a crazy idea out there

>>135656351
>says he post a better villain
>Posts a villain nobody knows who the fuck it is.
>Nobody replies to it so he replies to his own post to try and make it a little over.

>>135666988
It's a real god who is giving powers to the people or it's just imagination from homeless emperor, who knows

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>>135666988

it's not God, it's just a proper God-level threat monster

Saitama will have a slightly more epic battle with it than he did with Boros, then kill it with a punch.

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>>135666935
>muh bully

Did you miss the entire introduction where Garou was giving Saitama time to go away but Saitama confused the shit out of him?

Did you miss the part where Saitama asked him questions throughout the entire fight because he immediately realized Garou wasn't actually trying to be a monster, called him a sweet guy and tried to understand Garou's point?

Did you miss the ending where Saitama pointed out that Garou made a mistake because he compromised and didn't become a hero like he actually wanted to? Saitama was entirely true to himself and that's why he was "undefeatable" with his "serious hobby".

Not a single mention of "muh bullying", it's all in your retarded crackfics you dumb faggot.

>>135667741
>Garou giving Saitama time to go away
How did you come to that conclusion, ONE version was him asking Saitama's name before fighting him and the other was he chopped him as soon as he thought Saitama was a hero.

>Saitama asked him questions
Most of which are to goad Garou into fighting seriously.

>tried to understand Garou's point
>not remembering "For now, I'm gonna kick your ass"
Saitama decided to beat him first, he didn't try to actively listen, just heard what he said and immediately understood.

Garou actually wanting to be a hero came out of the blue. Maybe ONE will expand on it more in Murata's version.

>>135667741
> Did you miss the entire introduction where Garou was giving Saitama time to go away

That was after Garou attacked him once which would have hurt hard most heroes.

>>135667741
This.

Really the only wrong thing that Garou did was beat people up and destroy the HA. Even then, that doesn't change the fact that he had a plan that harkens back to his desire for heroism. What puts him in the wrong, like many anti-villains, were his methods. This was the result of him unintentionally deciding on a compromise due to his shitty childhood and his journey in meeting/fighting HA and MA led him to desire in becoming a common enemy as means of uniting the world against him.

Personally I don't think this excuses his actions (obviously it's a fucked up goal with no immediate results given how Garou didn't seem to have a plab laid out for it) and I won't argue that this points to him being as much of a bully as those who caused his childhood trauma, but that's exactly what makes his methods questionable and a villain in the first place.

>>135668441
>plab
Fuck I mean "plan" but you get the point.

>>135668441
> Really the only wrong thing that Garou did was beat people up and destroy the HA


You forgot that those "people" are litterally the only wall against the army of monsters increasing every days that plans to destroy humanity. Saitama can't take care of all the monsters because he's just an individual, and Garou wouldn't have been any better.

Humanity really didn't need a "ultimate monster" to fight, they already have their hands full with other ones.

>>135668549
You misread what I said. I literally pointed out that Garou's methods were very much in the wrong (especially him beating up the heroes) despite his goal being seemingly "heroic".

>>135668549
I think by peace Garou meant that human and monster will cooperate to fight him. I might be retarded and misinterpret it though.

>>135668646
> I think by peace Garou meant that human and monster will cooperate to fight him.

Which would never happen. Lots of monsters are just mindless disasters.

>>135668549
And if anything, humanity is already united the most it could against the monsters. As for the criminals, they're just people that would never cooperate in the first place.

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I don't know about the others explaining Garou's desire for "peace" or a world united against him as a common enemy, but let it be known that some of us are not actually defending his shitty actions and lack of foresight, we're just explaining why the fuck he did the things he did and how it ties into his original desire to be a "hero". Whether or not ONE did a good job at conveying that is obviously subject to debate, but personally I thought it was adequate enough.

>>135652814
Has the #1 A-class Hero been dealt with yet?

I think a lot of you are trying too hard to interpret something that was made up on the spot. Garou just wanted an excuse to be edgy, Saitama called him out on it, and then he made some pretentious NGE type of shit on the spot as a reason.

>>135653775

No fuck that. Not one OPM is about at all. Stop trying to push your shit taste on everyone else.

>needing the mc to be in distress to enjoy a show
End your life

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>>135668968

>>135669028
Good.

Thank you.

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>>135668979

Except if this were truly the case, then the tone of the writing wouldn't have taken the somber tone it did, otherwise it would have actually given the same usual "gotcha" vibe of every joke in OPM. Call out ONE for actually trying to write something serious for all I care (no really), but Garou's ending wasn't meant to be as random or comedic as some of you seem to think it is.

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>>135668157
>How did you come to that conclusion

Pic related.

>Most of which are to goad Garou into fighting seriously

"You chicken" and "wakey wakey" was goading. Otherwise he asked him why Garou was doing this, what was up with him, what his end goal was and finally what he meant by changing the world. In the end Saitama even yelled at him, asking if Garou was truly okay with being defeated. Saitama clearly cared about Garou's "deal", in several ways, including the fact that he was Bang's student. He was even excited to fight him at first, like you said.

>Garou actually wanting to be a hero came out of the blue

What? It was heavily foreshadowed since his serious flashback. Why else would he reject MA, save the kid, flip off MA again, save the kid, kill monsters, save the kid, lie to the heroes, save the kid? ONE is basically rubbing it in your face.

>>135655832

They shouldn't be. Just kids being kids, and one friend that couldn't handle the banter. Better off just killing himself

Where are you guys getting these translated version of the webcomic? I would very much love a link if possible

Also, i appreciate the amount of conversation about this comic but about 50% of it is from actual autistic faggots that don't understand why this is a funny or entertaining series. What's the point in dicussing power levels in a Power Man series? Especially when everyone knows that King is the only one strong enough to beat Saitama

>>135652911
>relatable

Edgy loser.

>>135669367
> What's the point in dicussing power levels in a Power Man series?

Talking about the PL of Saitama is retarded, discussing it for every other characters of the serie isn't, because they aren't powerman.

>>135652814
>Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll find. His fighting style, his power, his struggle, his evolution, his motivation. The time put into building him up. To think his saga played him up better than most entire series can do for its main hero.
Fuck me im getting triggered.
Garou is one of the most lazy sloppy pointless waste of time one could do in this manga.
I rather read a side arc about that fat guy or dogman than to see this twat again.

Nobody, literally nobody cares about Garou, we all wanna see blast, more of Tats and Fubuki

Here is a well done villain >>135656351
Hes evil, hes knows he is bad but you can understand him and his motivations, everything he does has a purpose and is driven by lifetime of preparation and work.

... that unless you watch that shitty ova made by some other company, what a fucking turd

>>135669171
I find it to be more
>I want to be a monster, but killing humans is too far.

Not
>I actually wanted to be a hero all along.

Garou's final speeches towards Saitama were meant to be an inverse of the usual punchline in every fight between Saitama and a monster gloating about their motivation and superiority (Vaccine Man being the most obvious and classic example). It's meant to play up that same scenario only this time, the monster genuinely believes that a hero has to behave a certain way. Unlike those other gag scenarios, Garou's frustration in being unable to actually defeat the hero and his contradicting desire for "peace" actually clued in Saitama about the faults of Garou's methods as well as his original desire. This essentially reversed the usual gag scenario into an actual serious one and for some reason, not many people seem to get this.

The entire scenario basically plays out like so:

>"Gaarr!! I'm a monster! I have all these reasons for doing what I do! What gives you the right to stop me short of reaching my goal!? Tell me hero!"
>"It's just a hobby."
>"Wait what? That's not what heroes are meant to be like! You're doing it wrong!"
>"What are you talking about? If I had to guess you wanted to be a hero when you were a kid, but you fucked up and turned yourself into a monster huh?"
>"Fuck I think you're right, so what have I been doing with my life..."

>>135656395
Seeing the recent update rate i would say nowhere
I will be happy if we see Garou again in next year yet alone get anything new.

>>135668772
>And if anything, humanity is already united the most it could against the monsters

Kek, humanity is literally becoming monsters as we speak. Humans are anything but united when, you know, a human esper became the leader of MA because she saw the future where humanity goes to absolute shit. The HA itself has potential backstabbers inside.

Anyway, Garou's plan was to scare both monsters and humans to shut the former and unite the latter, it's pretty obvious. He was to become the only monster, the Ultimate Evil. That's why he was so thorough with the monsters, actually disposing of them when needed. The problem is, when Garou proclaimed himself a God level threat, he had no idea that an actual fucking God would be coming to fuck shit up or that Saitama would come and heal him. His plan was doomed from the start. He got trolled like Boros but at least he lived and he'll most likely come back.

>>135653791
>>135655853
Word of ONE is that Boros and Garou are roughly equal in their last forms, and I think the author knows the powerlevels of his characters better than you.

>>135669871
> a human esper became the leader of MA because she saw the future where humanity goes to absolute shit.

First, we still don't have details about what Psykos saw.
Secondly, she's a pretty big exception.

And again, this plan would never work. Monsters keeps getting created everyday and plenty of them doesn't think while still being among the most dangerous ones, like Evil Water. Let alone others way too cocky to ever care about Garou.

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>>135668877
>we're just explaining why the fuck he did the things he did and how it ties into his original desire to be a "hero".
All I see is a kid in an adult's body qho was traumatised as a child, and bacme the very bully that he hated so much.

Garou doesn't kill not because he is nice, but because bullies don't kill either. His bullies made up bullshit reasons to beat kid Garou up, so adult Garou made up bullshit reasons to beat heroes up. He IS what he hated. That is what he really meant in "becoming a monster". He never really feared real monsters, he feared the bullies in his past and they haunt him. And he sees the bullies looking back at him when he looks in a mirror. He didn't mean he is a human monster; he mean he is the new bully.

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>>135669745
>Nobody, literally nobody cares about Garou, we all wanna see blast, more of Tats and Fubuki
>currently 265 posts in a thread about Garou
>approx. 200 of those posts actually discussed about Garou

Uhh I'm gonna have to break it to you anon...

>>135670406
Same anon you're replying to.

I won't deny that this is actually a legitimate argument as to why his goal is fucked up since it essentially turned him into the same bully as those that tormented him as a child (which was why Saitama was right in setting him straight).

The only thing I'd argue is that his original desire to be a hero (keyword being "original", meaning it's not his current one) was actually genuine despite turning himself into the bully of a monster that he hated so much, and this is clearly evidenced by his genuine acceptance of Saitama's presumptions and verbal beatdown.

So when is Saitama going to end up becoming Boros2.0?

Just flying around the universe looking for someone to match his power

>>135670674
>The only thing I'd argue is that his original desire to be a hero (keyword being "original", meaning it's not his current one) was actually genuine
Of course he is genuine in wanting to punish evil. But he is ALSO criminally insane and consider heroes as evil. If I went mad and start believing that every doctor in a hospital is a hostile alien invader, are you going to call me a hero for murdering all the doctors in my delusion?

Garou is INSANE. It doesn't matter what he think he is doing, what matters is what he DOES. He is a violent lunatic who couldn't control what he is doing, because he thinks innocent people are evil. Are you going to argue that it is okay?

>>135669752
nigga, he wanted to be a hero from the start. He was just too awkward and stupid to realize it. He was pissed at heroes because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.

He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.

>>135670674
>and this is clearly evidenced by his genuine acceptance of Saitama's presumptions and verbal beatdown.
No he does NOT. Garou didn't accept Saitama's words. The only reason he listened was because he didn't have a choice. He tried to shut Saitama up through violence, like what bullies do. He only use words when violence failed. He was desperate and wanted to keep his happy illusion that he is doing good.

>>135670851
>Are you going to argue that it is okay?

Check what I said earlier in this post >>135668877
>but let it be known that some of us are not actually defending his shitty actions and lack of foresight

If that's not clear enough, then my answer is a huge "no".

>>135670857
>He was pissed at heroes because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.
That part is a lie. He fight heroes because he wanted to defeat his childhood enemies. Anything lofty was made up to justify his insanity.

>people not getting that the whole "humanity united against evil" was just shit Garou made up to save his ass at the last moment
He never said anything nor hinted at anything alike before, since the start his only goal was to crush the Hero organization and whoever else threatened him or the ugly kid he was projecting on. That whole speech was just him being desperate and shoehorning some half-assed morals to save his ass.

>>135670977
>If that's not clear enough, then my answer is a huge "no".
Then you accept that he is insane then? Or not? Because he is clearly an insane person who say and do things without understanding why. And you can't justify his actions when even Garou failed to do it. HE doesn't even know what he is doing.

>>135670857
> because they failed to meet his lofty expectations of what a hero truly was.

Pretty much none of the heroes he beat up deserved it besides maybe Red Nose, some of the TT and Mask (who of all things considered is still among the heroes with the most accomplishments and thus isn't just an asshole).

>>135669983
>Secondly, she's a pretty big exception

I dunno, judging from what we saw in MA, any remotely angry hobo can become a strong monster in an instant. A human founding MA was really ironic too.

>way too cocky to ever care about Garou

Like Sperm? Garou got so strong he speedblitzed dragons as well as S class heroes easily and he was still absorbing the heroes' moves at the time. Meaning, his growth potential is unknown. And fear is an incredibly strong weapon you know. Look at King.

We haven't seen a God level monster threat yet but a certain God was teased in MA, most likely something that Garou wouldn't be able to deal with. That's the biggest reason why, aside from the sudden Saitama of course, his plan would have never worked in this universe. Like I said, Garou didn't expect either.

His motivation is I WANT TO BEAT EVERYONE.

>>135671030
I never tried to justify his actions, I was just explaining why he did the things he did and that's it.

>>135671068
> I dunno, judging from what we saw in MA, any remotely angry hobo can become a strong monster in an instant.

You don't seems to understand that's how lots of monsters are born, in a sense those aren't really different from humans becoming zombies. They doesn't count as humans anymore. Psykos seems like she could go back to the human side though, granted she got a mental shock.

>>135670857
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.

>>135670857
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.

Fucking bravo. This guy basically summed it all up in one sentence. Garou was trying to be heroic, but the stupid part was how he thought that being a monster was somehow the right idea to go about doing it.

>>135671117
>I was just explaining why he did the things he did and that's it
But you used his own explanations, which were entirely contradictory. You took Garou's words as gospel when he basically never told a single word of truth all through his entire time he was on screen.

>>135671198
Justification =/= explanation

We can argue about how much of what Garou was saying is actually true for all I care, but the entire basis of my argument is backed by what Saitama said at the end. Doesn't mean it justifies what he did at all, it just means he had more reasons for doing than just "lol let's beat some shit up cuz whatever man".

>>135671195
>Garou was trying to be heroic,
He wasn't. He was butthurt because he was bullied as a child by some kids playing at heroes,and wanted to crush heroes. The whole "b-but I wanted world peace" contradicts everything he did before and was clearly some shit he made up at the last moment to get some simpathy and avoid being killed.

>>135671195
>Fucking bravo. This guy basically summed it all up in one sentence. Garou was trying to be heroic, but the stupid part was how he thought that being a monster was somehow the right idea to go about doing it.
It isn't stupid, it is crazy. He is still mentally in the school-yard, fighting the bullies who call themselves heroes. He was fighting a fantasy battle in his head for justice. Stupidity is the wrong interpretation.

>>135671271
>it just means he had more reasons for doing than just "lol let's beat some shit up cuz whatever man".
He HAS a reason. He is delusional and sees completely innocent people as evil and beat them up. I am not saying he is good or evil, I am saying he is crazy and needs a Straitjacket and a padded cell.

>>135668992
your the one with shit taste lol

>>135671286
The "stupid" part was the oxymoron of a plan that he had, the "crazy" one was Garou for thinking he was right in actually trying to implement it.

>>135654612
>Kumagawa
I will never understand why people like that retarded character.

>>135671406
>the "crazy" one was Garou for thinking he was right in actually trying to implement it.
He didn't HAVE a plan! He made it all up! Just like the kids who bullied him made up about themselves being the real heroes!

Your mistake is assuming Garou said anything coherently.

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>>135670857
>He was just trying to do a heroic thing (world peace) through being a monster... which is a complete oxymoron and thus he failed.

This exactly. He went against both heroes and monsters to redefine good and evil in his own way and unite the world. But if he tried to monitor the murderous monsters who are not scared of him, for example, he'd just end up seeming heroic. He already looks heroic when he kills monsters for the ugly kid and the kid wasn't scared of him at all. It's kind of a paradoxical scenario.

>>135671068
> Like Sperm? Garou got so strong he speedblitzed dragons as well as S class heroes easily and he was still absorbing the heroes' moves at the time.

Because they were all in the same place


> And fear is an incredibly strong weapon you know. Look at King.

That's as long as the monsters actually meet/face him.

For those that may have missed it, ONE tweeted 13 hours ago that Mob will be on break for one week. And he didn't say anything about the rest of chapter 105.

>>135661680
>Garou is undoubtedly one of the best written characters in OPM, judging from the heated debates he inspires alone.
Thats like saying watchmen and eva are good.
Wait, really, Is all you need to have a well written character is weird logic and being controversial ?
>checks dumblejew
Oh shit

I need to explain why I insist that Garou never had a plan and made up a plan on the spot.

My main argument came from how he originally agreed to join the Monster Association. Only completely unable to accept the task he was given. It makes NO SENSE for him to even contemplate killing 100 people, if he had a plan to defeat all monsters himself. At that point in time, Garou still had infantile ideas of monsters being misunderstood innocent creatures, thus it was impossible for Garou to have had any plan to "rule by fear".

>>135671653
>Because they were all in the same place

So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.

>That's as long as the monsters actually meet/face him

Reputation. No one saw King do shit yet they fear him. Garou's strength was seen by both MA and HA and he can actually do shit.

>>135672094
>So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.
He had no intention to do that. It is just lip service. As I said in >>135671824, he only came up with that argument on the spot and never really meant to carry it out.

>>135672094
> So? Garou is fast. In his Awakened form he can patrol the whole world if he pleases.


No he can't you retard, lots of monsters are hidden and monsters are appearing every fucking new days.

> Reputation. No one saw King do shit yet they fear him.

Doesn't stop any monsters from doing their business. Let alone all the mindless and puny ones.

>>135671824
>At that point in time, Garou still had infantile ideas of monsters being misunderstood innocent creatures, thus it was impossible for Garou to have had any plan to "rule by fear".

Except I would argue that his plan to "rule by fear" only came about after the whole thing with the MA. He definitely didn't know what he was doing when he was going on a hero hunt and when he joined the MA. Rather he only developed the idea of "absolute evil" in the climax. So yeah, I'd hardly call it a plan when it was literally thought about late into the actual story, but it's still a development that ties into his ending.

>>135672267
Ironically "rule by fear" is arguably what BULLIES do. So Garou is saying he would be the world's greatest bully. Not a good plan.

>>135670406
Why do people who get bullied have such weak self esteem? Holy fuck, if someone talked shit to me back in school, I wouldn't let it bother me at all. If they got physical with me, I would get as violent as I possibly could.

In my experience, not many guys got "bullied" psychologically. That's more of a girl thing.

>>135672591
>In my experience, not many guys got "bullied" psychologically. That's more of a girl thing.
You might as well say boys don't cry. I don't even know where you came from to think that male kids are immune to trauma.

>>135671824
>he originally agreed to join the Monster Association
He never agreed. He also apparently rejected them twice. His confrontation with MA made him realize that his definition of a monster is entirely different from theirs and that's when they got included in his plan to install his own world order. He tells DS he'll deal with both associations right after that.

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I don't get how the people think Garou was fishing for sympathy from Saitama in the end by spouting his "world peace" spiel. He was delusional and clearly bought into his own bullshit. He basically vented his frustrations by revealing what he actually sought to do by becoming a God-level monster. None of that BS about him making shit up to save his own skin. He's fuming at Saitama and all the heroes with no sense of self-preservation, and this is really obvious given how he kept trying to fight and talk back to him even though he's clearly losing. He obviously believed what he was saying and his speech was an attempt to question Saitama's heroism if it's as righteous and practical as his brand of evil. When Saitama answered "muh hobby" this pissed Garou because it's a huge spit in the face of everything he's been working on. If a hero were to defeat him, he wished for the hero to actually have the strength and morals befitting in toppling his own goal of enforcing "absolute evil".

The reason he was even taunting the heroes was because he wanted to see if someone righteous could actually stand up to him. Before realizing his loss against Saitama, he was basically settled on the whole "unite the world against me through fear" idea because he really thought no one could stand up to him at that point. Obviously with Saitama absolutely beating him he had to know if Saitama had what it took to be the hero the world needed, and obviously "it's a hobby" wasn't the answer that Garou was looking for which basically caused him to break down because, not only did he lose, he also lost to a guy that doesn't fit his idealized image of what it actually means to be a hero that should save the world.

Call him insane or a bratty kid that didn't know any better. Still the fact is Garou actually believed all the delusional BS he was spouting and how people seem to think that he was trying to draw sympathy from Saitama are the ones who seem to have greatly misread his character.

>>135672771
>His confrontation with MA made him realize that his definition of a monster is entirely different from theirs and that's when they got included in his plan to install his own world order.
He only wanted the heroes gone because he assumed that monsters are harmless and thus, heroes had no reason to exist.

So your entire argument makes no sense. He had no plan to rule in fear at any point until that one time later. He just wanted to beat up illusionary bullies and had no plans to rule. When the monsters were confirmed to be real threats, his delusion no longer worked and he had to suddenly deal with a world that needed heroes but no longer had them.

Garou wanted heroes gone because he wanted heroes gone. ruling the world is just an excuse to get rid of heroes. And the only reason he wanted to get rid of heroes was because he didn't believe heroes do anything useful. Because he is CRAZY.

>>135655036
>He just doesnt get the credit he deserves, thats all.

He doesnt want or need it.

>>135658167
Youre an idiot, the fact that /a/ talks about shows currently airing, doesnt correlate to whether /a/ likes it or not as a whole.

It just means that there are more people talking about it.

>>135672922
>"unite the world against me through fear"

God damn it I fucked up. Meant to say "unite the world through fear". The connotation being that he wanted to be a tyrannical figure that would rule everyone like a fucking Nazi while forcing everyone to huddle together and survive (just thought I'd clarify).

>>135672737

>boys dont cry
Only weak-willed faggots with a flawed upbringing have low enough self-esteem to let some random kid from school hurt their feelings with words or an ass kicking.

>trauma
I don't think you know what that word means

I can understand wanting to get stronger after an ass kicking, don't get me wrong. I just can't see how it would shape your entire view of the world. Seems pretty silly, but I don't deny those type of people exist. I just feel sorry for them

>>135673136
>I can understand wanting to get stronger after an ass kicking, don't get me wrong. I just can't see how it would shape your entire view of the world.
The point isn't that he got beaten up, but that the bullies got away with it with no consequence at all.

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I only like Garou because he is attractive. He has nice slender hands. giant pecs, giant shoulders and a cute butt.

Any other reasons to like him besides his looks and childlike antics is a dumb reason to like him.

>>135673385
You a femanon or just gay?

Its quite funny if you think about it that Saitama is the one who ruining the manga whit his retardness.

>>135673494
He is the main character, everyone else is improving his manga, but he can't be ruining the manga when he's the whole point of it.

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>>135673491
I am anonymous. If you fit the criteria though I will hunt you down and go yandere on your ass.

>>135666988
He is probably the reason behind all the terrible shit happening in the OPM universe and he's doing it on purpose. Saitama breaking his power limiter was a sign of the human species getting to the next level of evolution and now he's been trying to wipe the rest of them out to prevent more people like Saitama from being created, because he's a paranoid idiot who doesn't want any competition. Saitama will be responsible for everything and he'll feel like an asshole. Then he'll knock him out with a single punch.

>>135670851
>But he is ALSO criminally insane and consider heroes as evil

He considered heroes hypocrites, not evil. He didn't think they deserved the title and, to an extent, he was right, some of them weren't exactly heroic and HA does have its problems. It also seems that he has very high standards when it comes to heroism. That "ideal hero" that Saitama mentioned.

>>135672958
No, Garou assumed that monsters only targeted the heroes and was frustrated because the heroes would always win via asspulling. They're "heroes" so they are supposed to win by default and they are deemed right because society supports them, that's how the normal order of things is. He wanted to change that as a monster and bring his own brand of justice to the world. He decided to become a MONSTER who'd bring peace and change the world for the better, instead of a "hero". He basically tried rebranding the absolute evil in the OPM universe, which was just "mindless monsters killing people for shits and giggles" before.

MA made him realize that monsters have a different mindset but he opposed it. He went against them and never stooped down to taking human lives. His heart was the very reason why he never managed to transform into a monster, his costume just poof and broke.

>>135674811
>He went against them and never stooped down to taking human lives.
That's a very low bar. The bullies who beat up Garou as a child never killed him either. Should we congratulate them for being so very merciful?

>>135674972

Except in Garou's eyes the bullies are the heroes and he's just the one who's fighting for those who can't stand up to them. You're basically applying logic on a guy who sees the complete reverse of what you're insinuating. It doesn't make him right, but that doesn't mean that the heroes were infallible either.

Did Genos died during the MA arc offscreen?
He haven't seen him ever since

>>135675828
>caring about Genos

>>135674972
The children had absolutely no reason to gang up on Garou and beat him up. You know, if Garou were insane, he'd have fucking shanked his bullies to death at school, like many nips have done. That's a real thing.

Garou actually aimed to bring down two professional organizations by himself to prove a point - to show that a monster can win and have righteous intentions, that a monster can change the world for the better. While both organizations were ready to kill him, Garou never truly turned into a monster and never stooped down to murdering humans.

>>135675986
Who else is going to clean Saitama's room

>>135675828
Has Genos actually defeated a monster by himself?

>>135676289
I think he beat that one robot knight that challenged King while he ran away.

>>135676357
Ah yeah I forgot about that, plus I think that gorilla cyborg thing counts

>>135653022
Right and wrong, good and bad, well-meaning and evil, these are the things that keep the child up at night. And every man is a child to his own deeds. In this world wide over there are only three cardinal rules: intelligence (pref superior as genius crumbles under its own autisciousness), nihilism (of the Carr variety), and wickedest senses of human.

>>135675828
>caring about cyborg Yamcha

>>135669906
Maybe that final form monster might have, but Boros would have turned Garou to paste before he could hit the later stages.

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>>135661125
That's not his last form

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>>135679808
>still arguing with ONE

Murata will add Garou kicking Saitama all the way to Pluto or doing something even more ridiculous in the fight. Ninja Monster Garou was already pretty damn strong.

>>135652814
OPM isn't a shounen.

Garou suffers from the same syndrome most modern villains in anime suffer, every time an author tries to add depth to them - i.e. they end up with the most stupid reasons, which the author tries to pass as morally ambiguous and somewhat logical, whilst absolutely failing at it, and delivering an idea only a teen in his dark ages would like.

Garou started great as some guy who simply wanted to become a villain and wanted to beat all the heroes, to show villains could win. That was great, especially because Garou actually worked to become strong.

The moment the author added the issue about him actually wanting to be a hero all along, and his retarded plan to make everyone fight him he ruined what originally was a good villain.
The worst part is that Garou had some ridiculous high standard for heroes - which Saitama just happened to live up to.

One of the great things about heroes in OPM is that most of them are dicks, but still try to do what's right at the end of the day. That flaw adds a layer of humanity to them, which your average sentai hero lacks.

>trying to analyze garou's motivations when ONE made it clear his rhetoric was mostly on the spot made up rationalizations for dumb angsty emotional behavior that eventually degenerates into incoherent ramblings

>>135652814
yeah sure, was oneshotted two time by saitama, please next

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>>135681399
Garou never stopped working to become strong. Also Saitama wasn't even his ideal hero, his hobby answer broke the guy's mind hard. Saitama wasn't the one who saved him either. It was Busaiku, who made Garou realize that even a person like him can be a hero. Garou's schtick was that he wasn't one-dimensional and irredeemable like you for some reason wanted him to be.

He literally didn't fit in his entire life and decided to go against the system. Against the heroes. Against the monsters. The mob. That's a more curious and ambitious concept than taking one of the existing sides and just going with the flow. Hell, he actually became an inexplicable human/monster symbiosis in the end.

>>135682266
So garou is a hipster?

>>135652814

>Garou is by far one of the best built up villains you'll find.

You OPMfags need to calm down.

>>135682492
Yes Anon, Garou a hipster.

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>>135682492
He's a rebel. Showed the finger to both sides, kicked their ass and defied the laws of nature by becoming that... whatever it was without losing his humanity.

>>135682737
The fact he kept his humanity just shows he was in denial though.