>read shojo manga
>Main girl breaks up with main guy because reasons
>Starts going out with second guy who's much nicer
>Can't stop thinking about first guy to the point that she's accidentally calling second guy by his name and wondering why he's not doing the same things as first guy
Goddamn, I'm trying to find a shojo that won't piss me off but it feels like I've read them all already
Stop reading shoujo that focuses primarily on teen romance and you will be a lot happier with the results.
This is good too.
That's why I say "focus". Romance can still play a large role, but if the manga is only about a relationship and nothing else you will tend to get the same recycled teen drama over and over again. Try to aim for something that separates the premise from the romance, the characters can still be romantically involved.
Romance can be good but most modern shoujo romance is generally soap opera drama, there are exceptions of course but they're not very common.
Agree, after reading hundreds of shoujo, it's all the same drama. I really like the one's I suggest because there's either different "drama" or conflict between the 2 love interests.
>girl leave douchebag boyfriend
>girl start dating a much nicer guy as a rebound guy
>can't stop thinking on douchebag boyfriend
>eventually she dump nice guy and goes back to the douchebag boyfriend
>repeat over and over again until the manga is cancelled
It's like this shit was written by /r9k/
Why don't you read Skip Beat? It is probably the only shoujo I like, and the main girl isn't a complete idiot but actually tries to make a life for herself instead of being boy crazy.
So? Good old manga or anime can still be popular and talked about.
Evangelion is 20 years old and even without the Rebuilds, there would still be many big threads about it on /a/
I started reading Skip Beat and I got really far into it before I realized this was never going to end any time soon. Also, I did like that aspect of her personality but it got dumbed down hard over time like pretty much every shojo with an independent main FeMC
>boyfriend gets hit by a car and dies
>boyfriend's identical twin brother shows up in town
>he's insane and hallucinates about his dead brother
>takes MC's first time by raping her on the bed of her dead boyfriend, and his late brother
>rapes and abuses MC on a daily basis
>eventually the psychotic brother tries to commit suicide in the same place where his brother died
>she saves him
>she then suggests they fuck right then and there out in the open
let's not get ahead of ourselves now senpai
I don't want to sound like a sjw or nothing but, why shoujo mangakas hate female emancipation so much? Aren't they emancipated women? They work on a male-dominated environment and they have a career on a nation that denigrate working women but their mangas tend to be extremely conservative
Oh, I forgot. The dead brother got together with MC despite knowing his twin had a lifelong crush on her. He actively made sure to keep the two of them apart despite them all being childhood friends. For years he let his girlfriend think his twin hated her.
This is literally one of the shittiest things I've ever read
As >>134841551 said
So there this manga called Hana Yori Dango/Boys Over Flowers and it was like to shojo what Dragon Ball was to shounen. Basically every cookie-cutter shojo copies some aspect of it because its such an ur-example of popular girls shit.
If you're read BOF, you've basically read like 70% of all modern shojo out there
Shoujo has been stagnating for a while and a lot of women left for other demographics that cater more to their interests. Most of the ones that stuck around are the kind that eat up stories about unhealthy relationships like that, and because it rarely experiments outside of that narrow frame, it hasn't built back much of an audience outside of those types, which makes it even more difficult to try new things, it's a self-fulfilling cycle.
Ao Haru Ride is selling like hotcakes and it follows the cookie cutter formula. Maybe it's a generational thing, there's space only for one unhealthy relationship manga by generation
Another issue that's a result of shoujo being so focused on romance stories now is that most authors aren't creative enough to think of how to keep things interesting when writing an ongoing series about relationships, so they just throw in whatever cheap drama will keep the audience hooked.
It's always the same shit
>rich mean girl vs female lead
>nice guy vs douchebag boyfriend
repeat for 10 years...
More than women getting sick of shoujo stories, I think it's more that Rumiko shook things up. She's basically just under Tezuka, Nagai, Ishinomori and Yokoyama in terms of density of manga that became hit franchises
>It's a female lead's friend falls in love with her boyfriend chapter
>It's a boyfriend's older brother wants to steal girl away chapter
>It's a mean girl causes MISUNDERSTANDINGS chapter
>It's a boyfriend wants to have sex but "I'm not ready" (This isn't necessarily bad as much as it's sooooooo fucking overused and it's just a case for padding)
I don't understand why you're linking me to that post. What you said is the point that I was suggesting, that women are branching out into other demos because that's what Rumiko did and became a star, rather than any inherent dislike of the shoujo demo's restrictions.
I haven't read Ao Haru Ride so I don't know what its like, but I meant creative stagnation specifically. There will always be a few gems in every era but it feels like most of the modern "good" shoujos are still about high school romance.
Did she write much shoujo? I think of her as a shounen author, although she did put more emphasis on romance.
Only men have problems with modern shoujo. In any case, it's more a sympton of the modern tendency of focusing on an obsessive fan-market by pandering rather than trusting on the writing.
No, not really. Normal shoujo that has dicks on men and tits on women who get in to a relationship isn't gay at all.
Men on men is fucking homo. I don't give a fuck if you don't have a dick you dumb cunt. It's still gay as fuck.
And yaoi is also shit. It has literally the worst art out of any genre or demographic.
I know this is bait but there's plenty of shoujo and josei that focuses on guys and homoerotic relationships. Heart of Thomas comes to mind, Banana Fish, Kaze to Ki no Uta, etc.
Those are boring and lack arousing sex. I don't care for them, I want this instead. Plot AND sex.
Nobody cares about worthless fujoshits either. Yaoi is shit not because it's homo smut, but because it's poorly written and drawn.
There are like 3 good yaoi series.
Shounen Ai has some more stuff thats alright though. Prunus Girl technically is Shounen Ai.
This reminds me that I recently read a bit of Patalliro to see what it was about (as it's like the longest on-going shoujo) and I was pretty weirded out by the english inspector with the power to make any pretty boy falls for him with a look.
Kaze to Ki no Uta has a shitload of sex, so does Zankoku na Kami ga Shihai Suru, although the latter doesn't have much romance. Also you're really obvious.
I don't like sex alone, it must be mixed in with the right romance. No to both of your titles, neither of your suggestions satisfy me.
Shonen Ai focuses on the boredom portion. Why bother having a romance at all if you aren't going to have sex? I don't want sex without love but I don't want love without sex either.
Just finished reading this. All the family stuff was pretty cute and neat (though I didn't get what the fuck was the divorce letter side-plot about)
Really nice art too.
what is this broad saying and what does it have to do with my points.
what does men like me having problems with post-HYD shoujo have to do with women branching out in demographics because of Rumiko's success
Yumi Tamura was cute in the 90s
I wonder if anybody would be interested in my Basara volumes. I didn't work on anything at all regarding the series so I doubt I can upload it to anywhere, but I put all the chapters that were broken up into the same folder for the volume they're in. Made it less annoying
Hard to say. It shifted early on to the josei magazine Flowers but still won a Kodansha shoujo award after that.
(I'd say it counts but that's probably just because it's my favourite too and I like to find occasions to mention it)
I could supply White Base into the Zanscare conflict with the salt I have from
Arashi hitting Ango
Because women want to be treated like shit and fucked without you giving a flying fuck about their needs or feelings.
Stop getting mad about it, women want a strong man and displaying emotion or caring about their feelings/opinions makes you a beta loser in their eyes and therefore unattractive.
It's simply women's nature and you should learn how to use it to your own advantage.
I only read this series.
I feel it's more josei.
It's fun in that it doesn't feel like the typical shoujoshit stuff you see a lot.
Skip Beat is fucking great, too bad people overlook it because of old fashioned artstyle.
Pacing is shit though. Would be fine if chapters were released every two weeks, but with monthly release it's just painful.
> probably just because it's my favourite
yeah pretty much me too.
I'm ok with the way it seems to be going, but they're relationship definitely isn't the reason I love the manga.
I didn't like Basara as much to be honest, not sure what it was though.
I really like Arashi/Hana but I think I have a thing for lovers that get separated so that helps. I love the moments when they learn the other is alive for exemple.
They are, but any guy who agrees to a relationship like that is nothing more than a beta provider who will get shit-tier sex once a month while his bored slut gf fucks alphas behind his back and has zero emotional attachment to him.
>relationship like that
Like what? It was a normal relationship.
She broke up with some guy. She met a new guy. They fell in love. Whats wrong with that?
She doesn't fuck the other guy still.
Seemed like a pretty natural response to learning of the attempted rape and murder of your girlfriend who is practically the only reason you have the will to keep on living in the dead world..
Personally I'm more afraid Ango will be the hero of this arc and everyone will suddenly forgive him (not because I don't want him to earn forgiveness but because if he does it that way it will be totally unsatisfying and also remove too much of the tension (which I love) from the group.
Does seem like it might be wrapping up soon though so that might be the route she takes.
Arashi knows about the blender man
He should be mad, especially since he was possessive and protective of Hana before the disaster, but he should know Ango's damaged
I don't think it's wrapping up, why do you say that? It's not the same kind of story as Basara where the how the world got to be so fucked up is unimportant, there's still a bit of mystery left to squeeze out from 7Seeds.
>I don't like love triangles
>So you like harem octagons?
>Proceed to post something completely unrelated
In harem octagons the MC doesn't get a lot of pussy. In fact he gets pretty much none till the very end, and even then they probably wont fuck for another decade.
In the love triangles generally the girl picks one and they fuck. You're really not making any sense here.
I think the other anon says it's wrapping up because all the characters are getting closer and closer to a meeting together and there's been talk about them finding a good place to live in. Which would serve as a way to end the series with the remaining characters finding closure and moving towards the future.
But it's true there's still mysteries left about Sado and other plot points and conflicts to resolve so there's still much to see before it ends.
are shounen and shoujo demographics or genres?
Hard to think about how damaged someone is after that is revealed to you though and personally I don't feel that his damage exonerates him from his actions. But your opion makes sense.
pretty much this, I hope you're both right though.
Harem mc gets all the bitches and they are all pure. He also loves all his girls very dearly and protects them all from harm.
Reverse harem is full of ntr and rape fantasies and are filled with impure sluts who fuck random men even when they know it's wrong and they will get treated like shit by the guy.
Says the anon while she shitposts.
Supposed to be demographics, but to an extent they can qualify as a genre because everything under usually follows a common theme and has the feel of it being shounen or shoujo.
I can read something without knowing what demographic it is and usually tell if it's shoujo/shounen/seinen/josie. There are a few that break the mold though and are hard to tell.
What it truly comes down to is where it's published anyways.
>Reverse harem is full of ntr and rape fantasies and are filled with impure sluts who fuck random men
Love triangle isn't reverse harem, for one. Two that's a huge generalization, because tons of ''reverse harems'' or love triangles, the MC is a pure maiden virgin and often remains that way even after the series ends and they're in a relationship.
More often than not the MC picks one guy and it's the only guy they fuck/lose their virginity to.
Josie is what you're thinking of. Truly filled with NTR shit. Shoujo has some but not nearly as much.
>after MC has kinky masochist sex with the psycho brother he disappears from town
>ten years later she meets him at the grave of his dead brother
>he's deluded himself to think he's the one buried there and that he is actually the brother who died
>he says he loves her
>cue final page >>134842213
I wish I could un-read it.
You could say he won the fruit basket.
(Okay, I do feel bad for this shitty joke.)
Furuba feels very nostalgic as it was one of my first shoujos (like a lot of people I bet) and I often reread it, it never loses its charm.
Regardless of Ango's brain problems Arashi's past has shown that he's fairly possessive/protective of his gf to the point of stabbing other people if he sees her being harassed. Maybe he'll change but it's a good thing he doesn't seem interested in guns.
Personally I like that we have conflicts like these in 7seeds that fit so well with the characters. I like that the characters have flaws that lead to their problems and that it doesn't feel like the conflict was written just for the sake of drama.
What I like most about 7 seeds is that for the most part the entire cast feels like they have agency.
Mayu Shinjo only make comedies
Natsu no Zenjitsu is good besides MC being relatively immature, it's not shoujo, but it's an interesting romance story.
They're nice. Tokyo Babylon's one of my favorite manga.
Currently reading X and that's pretty good too.
I like their weirdness. Just sitting down and reading a single chapter will sometimes put me in a very foreign sort of headspace. I often feel permeated by a sense of ambiguity and mystery, but it's of the sort that I will want to pursue it. It feels a little like chasing the rabbit down the hole and then jumping in yourself for the sense that Wonderland is to be found at the bottom.
7seeds is quality. Thanks for posting it, anon.
I wonder of women are as horrified and disgusted by our romantic fantasies as we are of theirs
> Glass Mask
Great manga and a pretty good anime adaptation (the 80s one)
OP, that's a typical shojo plot. It shouldn't piss you off so easily.
I guess you still haven't tried Harlequin.
I have a lot of nostalgia for them, but looking back on it they were a pretty mixed bag. Magic Knight Rayearth was my very first manga,
I actually looked up to lady Aska as a role model somehow, I read it in 4th grade and I still think it's excellent. Cardcaptor Sakura manga was not as good but its anime is god-tier. Miyuki-chan in Wonderland freaked me out as a kid but I kind of like it now. Those are the only ones I've re-read recently, all the others I only read once around 10 or 15 years ago or something, but I remember not liking Chobits or Angelic Layer. Tokyo Babylon felt like a chore to read but maybe I'd appreciate it now. RG Veda and xxxHolic were just okay. Tsubasa was a train wreck but sometimes entertaining. And I've been holding off on reading X all these years because of the hiatus but maybe it's time to give up.
Femanon here. I love romantic rape fantasies. Men's fantasies are uninteresting whether he's into boring shit like real rape or he's into boring crap like sol with muh waifu and the like.
Really? Maybe I'll check it out then. I don't even remember why exactly I didn't like the manga, I think the battle system wasn't engaging maybe and it felt kind of repetitive like pokemon. I'll still watch it though, you never know how differently you'll perceive things as an adult.
I'm thinking of a manwha where a girl gets convinced by her sister to go buy a pregnancy test for her. on the way back the landlord's son sees her and blackmails her into an abusive relationship. Anyone else remember what this was called?