Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1312

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
By working faithfully eight hours a day you may eventually get to be the boss.

rip other thread.

魚油

>to like
>to like a lot

Japanese is such a simple language

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>>134084513
>Japanese is such a simple language

>>134084638
I don't see anything difficult.

>cute as a button

I have never ever seen this used in any english books ever

>>134084691
It was a threat. Did you miss the last line?
Really though I assumed he was on Tae Kim or something learning 大好き・好き so posting a chuuni screenshot would be funny. Of course someone studying for longer wouldn't be intimidated.

>>134084723
It's something that your great grandmother might've said.

>>134084638
Is there anything special about specifying the reading of 迷子・まいご as 迷い子?

>>134084775
Yeah but it's pretty weird to see it in translations and examples sentences. There must be some sort of context to it but I'm frankly at a loss because I've never encountered it before.

>>134084769
>Really though I assumed he was on Tae Kim or something learning 大好き・好き so posting a chuuni screenshot would be funny.
No you were just looking for any excuse to post screenshot blogs like you do multiple times a thread because you're too stupid to find the VN thread.

>>134084810
It's literally just to appear more chuuni.

>http://www.zynas.co.jp/genius/sokudoku/sokutei.html

149 wps
I cant learn japanese.

>>134084839
Here comes the autist

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>>134084810

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>>134084513
Sure anon.

>protip: you can even troll Japanese in /int/ with this

>>134084906
I don't see anything difficult. I'm just too smart and good at Japanese it seems.

>>134084906
4-2だよ。おにいちゃん。これは難しい問題だよ？

いたずらです
いたずら
気をつけて
やめて！！

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>>134084853
I couldn't read some of the kanji used but managed to understand what the story was about

>>134084810
子どもが道に迷ってるなら、まいご
大人が道に迷っているなら、迷子

人生の岐路に迷っているなら、迷い子
でもこの子は人の子の意味で子供の意味ではない

>>134085157
Did you do the adult one?
You can read the whole thing here:
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000879/files/92_14545.html

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今日は苺ましまろの第５話を見た、どうして美羽が伸恵のことがそんなに大好きか？

妹と姉はそれほど愛し合うことが絶対にできないよ。

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>>134085254
全文読むのに２２秒だったよ、おにいちゃん

>>134085325
セクシーだから

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>>134085011
難しいのは当然かな
これJLPTと違って日本人向けだし

あと、正解は4-3です。

>>134085425
Imouto confirmed for non fluent gaijin

>>134085325
しゅ、しゅごい！
妹の速読で体が熱くなっちゃるうううう

>>134085299
伊藤伸江は伊藤千佳の姉で
松岡美羽はお隣のお嬢さんで血縁はないよ

>>134085425
2と3は迷ったよ、「恩師の喜寿（７７歳）のお祝い」から「前田先生は高齢で現役でない」と推察して今は教鞭をとっていない意味で2のいほうがいいかなあと思ったけど。二重敬語でアウトですか

>>134085254
I read the one for children

>>134085662
I thought that one was harder

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>>134085704
>epic no kanji is hard meme

What are the chances I can master Kana in a little over a month? I have my first jap class next semester, and I want to have that down.

>>134086146
You can take it down in a week if you do it the correct and manly way

>>134086146
Kana should take less than a week.

>>134086146
You can do it in one night if you're a smart boy.

100 kana in 1 night
3,000 kanji in 30 nights
any objections?

>>134086146
I mastered your kana in just 1 night

>>134086146
>over a month
You can do it in a day easily.

>>134086256
>100 kana in 1 night
They are used everywhere which is why they are so easy to remember. Good luck using the 3k Kanji though.

>>134086146
If you are smart about it you can have them down in under a couple of hours.

>>134086181
>>134086158
>>134086282
>>134086283
Thank you guys! I'm working on it now!

>>134086256
That's for lightweight pussies. I did core10k in one day. It's the fastest way to fluency and you only have to suffer for one day, no idea why nobody doesn't do it desu senpai

>>134086085
You clearly didn't try both of them.

Half kanji bullshit like 一生けん命 is objectively harder than just putting in in kanji. But actually I meant because it had a couple weird terms like 活動写真館 and 交響曲

>>134086328
It's actually the fastest way to read the newspaper.

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>tfw closing in on 2 year mark
I pretty much fucked around all November reading moege/nukige without a texthooker (i.e. not looking up words and being a lazy shit). That leaves only 4.5 months before I hit the dreaded 2 year mark and will be held accountable for my progress - "wow anon, you've been studying for two years? Surely you're fluent by now". In my head I've given myself 4 years to be fluent which leaves the 2 year mark as a *halfway* mark but peer pressure is making me feel like I should be a lot better. Anyone here who 's studied for 2 years? How good were you? Did you get affected by peer pressure?

>>134086400
You're never gonna be completely fluent unless you move to Japan, so eventually you just gotta stop giving a shit. Just make your goal to be able to read whatever you want by the end of your third year. You'll still be looking up words and all, but as long as you aren't letting difficulty get in the way of reading what you want to read, you've made it. Improvement will just come with time.

Oh, and practice listening. I recommend listening to a couple NHK news podcasts each day. They are only 10-20 minutes each.

>>134086400
Wow anon, you've been studying for 1 year 7.5 months? Surely you're fluent by now.

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>>134086400
What peer pressure? Nobody gives a damn whether you succeed or not. This is something between you and yourself friend, stop trying to shove the blame onto others.

>>134086400
>peer pressure?
From who?

>>134086580
*From whom?

How do you say give her the dick in Japanese?

>>134086498
>Just make your goal to be able to read whatever you want by the end of your third year.
I can already do that. I picked up my physical copy of Hyperion and by the time I was on the third page I was shocked to discover I wasn't blown the fuck out or anything and could keep reading fluidly.
Those podcasts are a good idea, thanks.
>>134086540
;_;
>>134086542
I'm not blaming anyone though? The peer pressure is real, dawg. I was watching Man in the High Castle with a friend and every time someone spoke Japanese they prodded me to translate it and tell them what they said. It's only a matter of time before a distressed Japanese lady needs help in a wal-mart and I'm unable to understand her slurred teary speech.
>>134086580
Friends and family. See above; additionally, my parents do know and are impressed, yet none have learned a second language themselves so they imagine 2 years to be plenty of time to become fluent

>>134086640
メス豚にサオ食わせろ

>>134086688
>Friends and family.
You fucked up, why would you ever tell anyone you're learning Japanese?

>>134086751
>メス豚にサオ食わせろ
>The Kuwasero Sao into the female pig

lmao

>>134086640
Ｄをやる

>>134086787
>hey do we have flashcards?
>why?
>need'm to study Japanese
>oh okay, here you go.

>>134086400
Just lie and say that you've been studying for 2 months.

>>134086836
>not using anki
ツッコんで損した気がするほどバカな展開だ

>>134086882
At the time I tried it but thought the format of Core2k was so fucking awful that it was impossible for me to use it. Since then the format has been forcibly changed to something good and all is well.
>>134086843
I don't lie, bub

>I now have a general notion of when a word has rendaku
That's cool. I didn't really notice it before.

http://www.enemieslist.net/japanese/
>404
feels bad
https://web.archive.org/web/20070105045935/http://www.enemieslist.net/japanese/
>The bottom line is that Politeness Levels are completely beyond your understanding, so don't even try. Just resign yourself to talking like a little girl for the rest of your life and hope to God that no one beats you up.
He's got a point to be honest

>>134086688
>Those podcasts are a good idea, thanks.
No problem. There's also そこあに of course. If you watch a decent amount of anime each season then you'll probably get a decent amount from the 青田買い and other seasonal ones, although they do a lot of specials on specific shows that aren't worth listening to if you haven't watched the show

>>134086953
Then say that you know some people who've studied for 7 years and can't even read Hanahira yet.
And as such this is a great endeavor to take and results don't come so fast.

>>134086960
Thanks, I was wondering what it was called.

>>134087004
Nope, he's an idiot if he actually believes that. You might never sound native, but it's certainly not a waste to try and understand when people use what polite words.

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>he can't understand anime without subs

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>>134087049
>anon, what is hanahira?
>a b-book about little girls
>why are you reading a book about little girls?
>a-actually, it's not a book!
>what is it then? show me
>h-here
>what's this shit?! anon, are you a fucking pedo? we didn't raise you to be a rapist! no more computers or japanese for you!
>n-nooo
Nah, don't mention it.

>>134087400
I wouldn't either way, it's something you can't be told and really understand, I think. You have to experience it for yourself.

>>134087518
>You have to experience it for yourself.
That's deep.

>>134087538
The subject actually is pretty deep, I wish I remembered where I read about it.

>>134087400
Show them a LN. The text with no images makes it more impressive even if the content is simple to read.

>>134084723
https://www.google.com/search?q=cute+as+a+button&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=XAdaVtvoHcSIUfKyt7AO#q=%22cute+as+a+button%22&tbs=bkv:p,bkt:b,sbd:1&tbm=bks

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Are you a bad enough dude to read the first page of 人類は衰退しました?

>さて、この前の手紙にあった質問に答えましょう。　もし結婚しないなら、それは良いことです。　 しかし、普通の場合、結婚するのが一番良いでしょう。
>Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."

Where did the Japanese Bible get
>もし結婚しないなら、それは良いことです。
Am I interpreting this wrong?

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Nice example sentences, now I really understand!

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>>134088085
>そんあ道ではなくなろうとしている道
Romeo is so good

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>>134088133
>black on white text
>that format
>成る程

>>134088133
Hello Reddit.

>>134088133
Which deck is that?

>>134088226
You caught me, what memes do I have to know to fit in?

>>134088328
An awful one. Your cards should have very little information on them. I recommend using EPWING dictionary for all the example sentences you need to figure out what the word means.

>>134088171
Does that mean "the road that's trying to kill me"?

>>134088433
You serious?

>>134088460
yea

>>134088517
Oh ok. Well it means "road that is trying to become not a road", なくなる is literally "become not" in this case

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>>134088517

>>134088534
thanks

>>134088534
Not the guy who asked, but thanks. I couldn't parse ではなくなろう, I kept thinking ではなかろう.

>>134088534
Isn't it ではなく + なろう and not では + なくなる ?

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>See "木場" for the first time
>Feel 100% confident that the reading is "もくじょう"
>It's actually "きば"
Fucking Kanjis man

>>134088673
では + なく + なる
I know ではない exists but I focused on なくなる because I imagined he was rikaing it and seeing "to die"

>>134088726
場 is a real cunt, I've noticed it using Kun readings for Jukugo a few times

>>134088114
I think I understand why it's so different. In the English version, "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman" is quoting what was said by the person being written to. The rest of the paragraph goes on to explain basically that if you want to have sex, you should get a wife and only do it with her.

The Japanese version, on the other hand, just answers the person being written to directly, without first quoting what was said. In other words, it's saying "If you don't get married, then it's good [for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman]". If you read the rest of the Japanese version of that paragraph, you'll see that it's still saying the same thing as the English version, just in a slightly different way.

>>134088887
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.

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>>134088213
>成る程
Why is it that things usually written in hiragana are so funny when written with kanji?

>>134088534
>>134088534
>road that is trying to become not a road
No, it means it's a road that is on it's way to not being a road, i.e. it's in disrepair.

>>134089116
probably some ancient samurai-era story behind the etymology

>>134089222
Explain
>なろうとしている
Which, to me, is clearly the volitional + として which means "to try".

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>>134088213
>>134088411
better now?

>>134089347
I wouldn't leave sentences on the front of the card. You'll get used to the sentence, rather than the word.

>>134089347
Try these.
>color: #CCC;
>background-color: #111;

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>>134089347
Big problem, to me, is that the kana spelling is so obnoxiously placed, 車道　車道[しゃどう], I would recommend something like pic related that's real fast and real clear. Furthermore you have a lot of empty space on the front (i.e. line breaks in the middle of nowhere) that would be best removed.

Also, white text on black is just my personal preference, you can do whichever you want

>>134089367
Nah. If you want to answer quickly (after you see the card for the Nth time), you just read the word and don't bother with the sentence anymore.

>>134089310
Yes, but when applied to inanimate objects/events it has a different usage.

See: http://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E3%81%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6

>火が燃えきろうとしている.
>The fire is down. - 研究社 新英和中辞典

>何が起ころうとしているの？
>What is going to happen? - Weblio Email例文集

>ドアが閉まろうとしている。
>The door is closing. - Tanaka Corpus

Can someone use the word temperament in a sentence for me?

>>134089585
I would much prefer a written explanation but I will believe you for now.

>>134089649
It means something is about to happen or something will happen in the near future

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It's been 1 year already, how much did you improve since then?

>>134089649
see also Advanced DoJG, page 475

>>134089794
I didn't even read 1 year ago, I started on march of this year, so the improve has been quite significant

>>134089693
>>134089796
Well, my mistake then. I guess Japanese really does have many tricks behind its sleeves.

>>134089794
I passed JLPT N2 1 year ago, and I'm doing N1 this year.

>>134089886

How long have you been studying Japanese?

>>134089957
Since April 2012

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>>134089989
April 2014 here
Always nice to know start dates. Kind of inspiring, maybe.

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>>134089367
I don't usually read it and if I have to, I'll use my judgement to answer accordingly.
>>134089456
I think it's pretty good now. Yours looks nice, but I guess I want to keep the sentence.

>>134090115
You could make the font bigger for the vocab word itself. So it pops.

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I am learning japanese for about half a year now and I have to say it really starts bothering me when I understand something but I read it being translated completely differently.

Do other people experience this too? I am still not good enough to play untranslated VNs but when the sentences are not complicated I can sometimes understand them and it really is annoying how they blatantly mistranslate stuff only to make it read better in english. Or when they translate the same sentence differently at different times in the game. Ugh.

>>134089598
My waifu has a feisty temperament

>>134089367
>You'll get used to the sentence, rather than the word.
>That's bad.
>What are collocations?

Based on the sentence in that screenshot it seems like the person is a beginner and it's probably a good idea for beginners to drill sentences instead of words. Languages have their own ways of arranging ideas and getting exposed to the correct way often and drilling it will only help one get used to that way of thinking. If a beginner is just learning single words, then they might be tempted to still think in their native language when trying to arrange an idea. This is no bueno, yo. バカお兄ちゃん

>>134090400
>it really is annoying how they blatantly mistranslate stuff only to make it read better in english.
Translator here: try translating a large bulk of work yourself. It will become abundantly clear how superior liberal translations are. Don't get annoyed, this is really just something over your head.

>>134090467
Then do a sentence deck instead of plain vocab. I'm going off the idea of recalling vocab.

>>134090544
It's like they say, a good translator must be a good writer.

>貴族の位は上から順に、公爵、侯爵、伯爵、子爵、男爵の５段階。

1 and 2 have the same pronunciation, wtf japanese

Translator Test: Translate this:
>いただきます！

>>134090718
Itadakimasu!
Translator's note: Itadakimasu!

>>134090718
Itadakimasu!
TL Note: If you know Japanese you should know what this means

>>134090718
Hyvää ruokahalua!

>>134090718
Rub-a-dub-dub thanks for the grub!

>>134090718
Thanks for the food?

>>134089222
LITERALLY the same thing in this case

>>134090718
That moldy shit from the back of your fridge was fucking oishii, Nana-chan!

>>134090778
People should only translate it as this from now on

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Does anyone recognize this character? Thought it was さ, but thats not right.
>>134090823
That's not what the Japanese says

>>134090871
>That's not what the Japanese says

>Does anyone recognize this character? Thought it was さ, but thats not right.

I don't think you're qualified to tell what the Japanese says

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>>134090871

>>134090871
It's an obvious 5

>>134090823
ごちそうさま。。。

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>>134090919
>>134090931
You can't learn English! Get rekt
>>134090947
Yup

>>134090836
「頂きます」とは、「私の命のために動植物の命を頂きます」の意味から。 古くから人は自然の恵みをもらって生きてきました。自然の恵みとは、言い換えれば、数々の動植物の生命をもらうこと。これらの行為は生きとしいけるものすべてに共通の行為。いのちがつながり合ってみな生きている（生かされている）のです。 　

「多くの生き物を犠牲にして生きている」こと、偉大な自然への感謝の気持ちを表 したものです。

>>134090979
Is monkey a grade?

>>134091018
Monkey is さる

>>134090989
妹ってさ
結構引用を間違うよね

もっと気をつけたほうがいいんじゃいかな

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>>134091101

At what point can I expect to be able to watch animu without subtitles?

When should I start?

>>134091827
Now

Now

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Is this saying that there's something that makes them feel like they should have a complex?

>>134090718
Bless us, O Lord, and these, Thy gifts, which we are about to receive from Thy bounty. Through Christ, our Lord. Amen.

This is the translation for ご馳走様でした:
We give Thee/You thanks, Almighty God, for all Thy benefits, and for the poor souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, may they rest in peace. Amen.

>>134091906
I think it's complex the adjective and it's just trying to be special by using English.

>>134091906
I feel like if don't have complex feelings about this "Thing" it's not.

>>134091977
Woulldn't they have used な instead of に if that was the case?

>>134091977
>>134092026
But it's talking about complex as in inferiority complex.

am I the only one to have give up after a year or so ?

>>134092119
That's most people.

>>134091906
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%81%AB%E6%84%9F%E3%81%98%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E4%BA%8B%E3%81%8C%E3%81%82%E3%82%8B%E6%B0%97%E3%82%82%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%E3%81%8C
:)

>>134092119
2 years for me, but I technically didn't "give up." I still do daily kanji writing practice, but barely read. I just don't have the interest I used to. Writing's fun, though.

>>134092119
I gave up 2 weeks in.

>>134092055
"To feel it complexly" so adverb not adjective

But apparently that's not it since the person with context says otherwise >>134092057

>>134092119
I gave up once after 2 weeks, once after 1 month, once after 3 months and I'm currently not studying

>>134092371
勉強ないではいけないよ

>>134090544
This, I used to be like >>134090400 too, but after a while I realized that the best course of action when translating Japanese is to grasp just the important information, the tone and the intention of the characters and construct a sentence in English that conveys all you have to convey without adding in too much new information. The more you try to stay formally close to how the character expressed the line the more your translation will sound awkward. The languages are just too different.

>>134092371
Why the hell are you here then?

Just getting started. Memorized my kana, easy enough. What do I do now to dive in and maximize my speed + efficiency of learning?

Do Tae Kim? Genki? Or Anki?

I'm particularly stuck on whether I should grind grammar or grind vocab. I feel like if I grinded grammar, it would more quickly help me learn through passively watching anime as my mind would recognize structures and fill in vocab/word gaps.

>>134092362
Thank you! I love it when I say something stupid and then someone explains why it was wrong; I will remember forever.

>>134092641
Do both.

>>134092641
You need to learn grammar, vocab, and kanji all at the same time. Grind some vocab and study (not grind) some grammar every day.

>>134092641
You do anki and tae kim's at the same time. Genki in place of tae kim if you prefer that.

>>134092641
Both -- Tae Kim inside of Anki... and read stuff that you have translations for and you'll start to notice the patterns that you read about. Then you go back and read Tae Kim (or whatever grammar book again) to verify what you've learned and then you start to work on more complex things as you keep reading.

I really liked the JapanesePod101 nihongo dojo lessons for this purpose. I would just cut out the dialogues they had and read the transcript over and over.

>>134092472
なにを言いたいんだ
英語でいいよ

>>134092547
I'm here to shitpost

>>134092772
勉強しなくてはいけないと思う.
僕は頭が悪いよ

>>134092772
>ないを言いたいんだ
ないと言いたいのよ

>>134092766
How do you guys proceed with Tae Kim? It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension as a baseline (of course, with intent to re-read in the future and study in close detail). Does this sound sensible?

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>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension

>>134093291
Refer back to it whenever you encounter the grammar in c. material.

>>134093291
I have been slowly reading through it over time and making sure I retain everything from one section before moving on to the next.
You're not going to get much out of reading the whole thing in one day, since he covers a lot of specific material in a short amount of time, but it could work if you read it like that every day for a month or so I guess.

>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day
Well, shit.

>>134093291
Sounds inefficient. Go through 1-3 lessons a day and try to comprehend more so you don't have to refer back as a much. You're going to be on the vocab grind for a bit anyway so might as well spread the grammar out instead of trying to cram it all at once.

>spice and wolf manga has furigana
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YHESSSS

>>134093291
>Does this sound sensible?

To me it does. Read through it quickly like you are reading a novel, not a text book. Obviously you won't remember everything, but you will get a good overview. Then when you see specific things while reading you can go back and look at the details again.

Trying to learn everything perfectly before moving on is a huge waste of time.

>>134093643
>manga is literally just the anime in frames

there goes my enthusiasm

>>134093291
No matter how slowly you read that shit you won't remember it the first time anyway

So yeah

Know which topic are covered so you can quickly refer to them when encountering grammar

use rikaichan to identify unknown conjugations

>>134093811
This is horrible advice.
A beginner needs to hammer down all the basic grammar, which takes a while.

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>Want to play an old favorite to ease the boredom
>Let's mix it up a little and do it in nip
>Surely I can follow what's going on, I've been studying
>Fuck

It's merciless walls of runes like this that make me doubt myself and all the time I've spent studying. Seems as if the unknown words don't have an end.

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Can anyone identify this kanji?

>>134094251
廃れた

>>134094298
ah, thanks

>>134094251
廃れた？

>>134093750
>Horo transforms into wolf
>suddenly really weird font
>what the fuck are these kanji
>furigana disappears

WHY YOU DOING THIS TO ME JAPAN

>>134094444
It adds to the mysterious edge factor that kids love.

>>134090467

>If a beginner is just learning single words, then they might be tempted to still think in their native language when trying to arrange an idea.

Thinking in their native tongue is something that beginners do when their grasp on the grammar is so poor and/or when their vocabulary is so tiny that thinking in Japanese is impossible. You'll naturally begin to trend towards comprehending in Japanese as you improve at reading and listening, which you'll need to do a lot of in order to get good, anyways. I wouldn't worry about it unless you've gone through several VNs and still find yourself thinking "Okay, so this part means..."

Core is for quickly building up your raw word count faster than you would by other means. Anything that lowers the number of cards that you can do every day while still completing reviews is bad.

Anybody here use wanikani? How is it?

>>134095399
Worse than anki; limited; costs money

>>134095399
Tried when I first though about learning Japanese. Don't bother, it's just anki dressed up with a cost and it artificially slows you down.

>>134095399
Anything that you like is fine as long as you continue.

>>134095545
This is a bit misleading. Yes if you keep going you will be good. However, wanikani is *objectively* worse than anki in every single way. So, that's the answer to his question. No need to be wishy washy about it

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>>134093291
I'm making notes as I go through JTMW to add to Anki. Otherwise it would all be water off a duck's back.

https://twitter.com/sayori_nw/status/667675376420700161
>ショコラのアバラをしゃぶり隊
lel

>>134095399
I use it, it's (as everyone else has said) a considerably slower and paid Anki. Nice if you prefer to have structure because you're an ADD riddled babby.

I'm considering switching back to Anki and reading more despite not nearly being at a good level of knowledge.

>>134095752
>なで = until
Make sure you change that to まで

Good call on the notes, I wrote down a lot of similar stuff to that while doing Genki, Tae Kim, and DoJG when I was starting out.

>fourth day in a row with new cards turned off
>still fucking up every card
>on track to have half of the core2k cards I've seen leeched

Halp

>>134095643
You're right, however, using a method that one prefers raises motivation, even if it's not the most effective way of studying. Motivation helps to continue in the long run.

>eat my own cum two days ago
>still have the taste in my mouth
any tips?

>2日前ゼーメンを食べた
>惜しくなかった

>>134095921
In the long run, wanikani ends and then you're left stranded.

>>134095946
And then you switch to anki.

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>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension

>>134095920
Start writing, do RTK or something, that should help, I think.

>>134095985
That's my point. You should have started from anki in the beginning if you're going to end up there anyway. Not even in the long run is wani kani good.

>>134095926
Keep eating your cum until you learn to like it

>>134096069
And you could have spent the money on physical manga or LNs instead, and had something nice on your shelf and support the authors you like.

>>134095643

No anon, don't you know that being supportive means telling someone that anything that they do will get them the results that they want, even if that's bullshit? Any kind of discouragement or scrutiny of their plan, no matter how rational, founded in knowledge and experience, and done in good will towards the advised party, is bad!


>>134095921

If they're asking, what they want is results.

Wanikani is just a shittier version of anki that costs money. The only reasons to encourage people to use it over anki are ignorance and being subscribed to this terrible mentality that the correct answer always lies in being "supportive" (note the quotes), as I described above.

>>134094009
It's just magical technobabble. "Pseudo-spatial multi-layer barrier based on curse strengthening theory" or whatever. Not really supposed to make sense. Don't get intimidated by the whole and just break it down into parts and you'll be fine.

>>134096287
We've already told you, that girl's a Slav, a race inferior to both Whites and Japanese. Please fix the picture.

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>>134096409

>>134096498
What is the official ranking of races?

post kanjigrids

>>134096498
>slav
>clearly a tatar

килл јоурселф

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>open up monobeno
>it's easy as hell
In one moment, I became the envy of 99% of western lolicons

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Holy shit
Tae Kim is an alpha ikemen
Why WOULDN'T you use his guide? Shit

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This looks like it has the 已,

>>134097278
含む

>>134096892
smug ass

>>134097278
Just draw in in google translate next time.

>>134097278
It's in the first row on Jisho using

>>134097348
Not smug, just superior

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>>134097390
>>134097371
>>134097324
T-Thanks Anons.

sorry for asking this retarded question but I can't ' access tae kim's guide at the moment

could you remind me what させます in a verb/sentence means? doing something you're not supposed to?

>>134097759
>為せる させる (v1,vt,uk) to make (someone) do; to allow (someone) to; (P)

>>134097759
させる is the causative
食べさせる - to make someone eat
走らせる - to make someone run

can also mean let in some contexts

>>134097844

fuck

thanks and sorry

What compelling content are you engaging in right now?

Tae Kim said that
>After 4 or 5 years of studying Japanese, I’m at a near-native or 帰国子女 level.
I wonder if he went especially fast of if I should hold myself to the same standard.

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>>134098475

>>134098603
>same standard.
Do you plan on living in Japan perhaps?

>>134098648
Not in particular

>>134098475
crappy news

>緑切る

Does it really mean severing ties?

>>134098904
Severing GREEN

>>134096287
>not an actual japanese person
>learning a language in order to do something that doesn't require you to learn the language

>>134098904
縁 m8

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>>134098961
He's probably referring to sex related stuff in general, like nukige and such.

>>134099508
>.gif
>still image
Why you do this?

>>134099508
I've always wondered this. Do girls like that have 4 ears, or is there just an awkwardly empty spot on the side of her head?

>>134099546
All I could find were gif versions, and I didn't look for too long.
>>134099578
It's a mystery forever hidden behind their hair.

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>>134084253
Reposting from last thread as the guide maintainer(s?) haven't responded to feedback since at least the 7th of October.
Use this link for the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar complete Anki deck with concept note images (up to around a 1/4 of the Intermediate section, might be different now) and the DoJG reference pdf.
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw

https://youtu.be/l-8zQC-9Iok?t=20

>>134099942
guide-anon was here a couple threads ago to update the kitsunekko link

they just haven't looked at the feedback, I think.

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>>134100430
>He forgot to thank them for hentai...
So true

>>134100430
Worse than anything Bush ever did to be honest.

>>134100552
That falls under the other shit.

>>134100430
Literally the best president since Washington

>>134100779
He can't stump the Trump.

なんかつまんないな

>>134098475
あんき

>>134096768
No.

I'm saving a Kanji grid every day so I can become maximum meme when I know them all, you can't ruse me into posting part of my grid.

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>>134102069
What do you mean? When you know all the kanji? Why would that make you a maximum meme?

>>134102130
>What do you mean? When you know all the kanji?

All the JLPT, that is.

>why would that make you a maximum meme?

Because I could make a neat gif of my journey.

What's a reasonable number of cards to review in a day with Anki?

I'm using the deck from the guide linked in the OP and it's set at 20 which seems kind of low.

>>134102222
I've done as many as 50 and as low as 10, it varies. Just pick a number and do it for a few days and see if you can keep up. Then adjust if necessary.

>>134102222
You review every card every day.
The limit should be maxed out at 9999.

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>>134102181
You mean jouyou? That could be neat. I'm debating just manually adding the last 100 or so into my deck because it doesn't seem like I'm going to naturally find them any time soon.
>>134102222
New cards day like... 5% of the time to do? The bulk of anki tends to be reviews, and the more new cards you do the more reviews you get. So even if 20 seems low initially, it may not be so little when you end up with 200-400 reviews.

>>134102264
>not doing 300 in a single day

>>134102310
>You mean jouyou?
Yes, they're sorted by JLPT grade in the grid, that's what mixed my brain up.

So yeah, when I'm done I'll have a gif showing my grid slowly filling in day by day.

>>134100479
Wasn't the point of the feedback so they didn't have to check these threads? Leaving a comment in the feedback should automatically prompt the person who has access to that page via email. It is a little redundant if they are checking here instead of the most direct method they set up.

>>134102391
I noticed that, it says JLPT on the options menu but I'm pretty sure it's not actually sorted by JLPT? After all there are 5 jlpt levels and yet 6 grades + JuniorHS + New on the grid.

>>134102406
I don't think they're doing anything wrong, but this is kind of why I wanted a wiki.

What is と's function in this sentence?
この道を真っ直ぐ行くと駅です

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>>134102380
>not just doing all of them every day

I thought I was struggling with vocab when I could never remember the readings.

Now I'm remembering the readings without remembering the meaning, and it's worse.

>>134102477
'If' you go..

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>>134102492
>holding enter

>>134102477
condition

>>134102477
It means basically "and" as in "go straight down this road and the station's right there"

>>134102564
>>134102581
>>134102583
Thank's anons. My grammar is so shit I keep getting the meaning of sentences wrong, I'm just vaguely guessing everything.

>>134102474
Seems they are either making it harder on themselves by not using what they set up or don't care all that much.

>>134102492
>Ignore robot threads
>Ignore robot posts
>Do not reply to robot posters

Why are you learning the language of a people that will be extinct in 50 years?

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Halfway done with hiragana

>>134102770
Doesn't matter if I'm dead in 50 years too

>>134102770
Everyone who knows Japanese will go extinct in 50 years?
Tell us your secrets.

>>134102813
Don't do what I did and assume you can skip katakana

You can't

>>134102888
I skipped katakana and learnt them from looking up their readings every time they came up

>>134102916
>readings
That's a really strange way to put it.

Need help /djt/

Whats the most effective way to mind words? Do you guys just get words from your reading material with new kanji and just add them? Im asking because I have a problem with the mind deck, its way to hard to remember words comparing to core (probably due to a shit ton of new kanji)

My core deck I get 85-90% retention rate for like the last 30 days, its really easy.

My mind deck I get 70%-80%. It's pretty annoying to keep pressing again over and over when you don't do that with the core deck.

Basically, is that suppose to be normal doing two vocab decks at once and this happens? Im alot more conformable with core than my mind deck. The mind deck is a lot newer too btw, Im guessing that can be the reason.

Someone in the last thread posted the latest (at least by date) version of the DOJG deck but the cards are disordered. Is there any way to reorder them again in the CoR order?
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw

>>134102888
Yeah no way. I'm just going to follow the guide and use tae kim

>>134103006
You can't learn Japanese until you learn English, friend.

>>134103006
Core words are the most common words with common kanji introduced in progress order.. Mined words are random words with kanji of random rarity. It's natural you'd struggle to remember more rare words and kanji, over common words and kanji.

>>134103027
Downloading now. Which order are you referring to?

>>134103006
× mind
○ mine / mined

>>134103155
>>134103054
Shove off, will ya?

>>134103113
The same as this spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j3aZpGEV1uSYwDQfBJR3BlDHHYWoaWIIfHMY6wiM_bQ/edit?pli=1

>>134103229
Okay, got'cha. Give me a sec and I'll see what I can do.

>>134096892
Does it live up to the hype? Obviously all lolige are god-tier, but is it superior even among them?

>>134103006
Do you understand what you're trying to memorize?
ex. Trying to memorize the word for cat without having any idea what a cat looks like
Do you actually feel a need for knowing the word?
ex. engel's coefficient.

A friend tried to tell me that Japanese doesn't have swearing, and the words that are translated as swearing in anime are just a liberty of translation, because swearing just doesn't exist culturally.

Is there any truth to this or is he full of shit?

>>134103229
>>134103327
Okay, what I did was very simple: export the deck as
Notes in Plain Text (*.txt)
Include tags
Open card browser, select and delete all cards for the 日本語文法辞典例文全集(cloze) anki deck.
Re-import the txt file that was just imported, back into the deck, making sure the card type is the same as before. It was 日本語文法辞典例文全集-29c61 on my end.
Now the deck should be reset. back to what it was originally. Give us a heads up if this doesn't work.

>>134103531
I didn't keep reading, I'm reading stuff to get better and so an easy game is not really going to help. I think it starts talking about medicine later which some people said is difficult, so maybe if I stuck with it I would eventually benefit from it... but for now, nah.

>>134096892
Can't read.

>>134103655
Thanks for the update

>>134103006
This is a post I made back in July, maybe you and others can benefit from this. As for remembering words on a mined deck, you can try to reorder them by Kanji difficulty (KO order) like the Core does, but I can't say I share the same problem as I find mined words easier to remember than Core words.

Depends on what I'm reading.

>Manga with furigana
Look up the word in Jisho, and then copy it to a text file.
>Manga without furigana
Looking up words in Kanjitomo and adding them to its internal list. Export the list when I'm done reading. Alternatively, I use Google Input Tools for handwriting recognition.
>Videogames
Google Input Tools, look up the words in Jisho and copy them to a text file.
>Visual novels
Chiitrans Lite to look up the words on mouseover. Add the words to a text file. I also made a shitty script to copy the contents of the clipboard to a text file with a key, but it copies the whole sentence.
>Light novels
Kindle with converted Aozora Bunko files and passed through the Amazon Document Service. Highlight the words I look up in the dictionary and when I want to import the words, copy the "My Clippings.txt" and filter it with regex.

I then create cards from the words on the text files en masse with Epwing2Anki.

>>134103567
くそだよ

>>134103567
"swear words" are mostly just expletives and crude references to certain body parts and human actions, depending what is generally seen as uncouth in the given culture. These taboo words also exist in Japanese. Due to the nature of these expletives a direct translation doesn't really work most of the time, so the phraseology is localised.

>>134103607
Wait, are you learning Japanese to read VNs, or are you reading VNs to learn Japanese? If it's the latter, why are you learning Japanese?

>>134103711
Former and latter. VNs are a significant motivator in learning Japanese but I also want to actually learn Japanese.
Furthermore, context is necessary. Monobeno, a VN I want to read, is easy. However, Muramasa, a VN I want to read, is hard. If I want to read all the VNs I want to read, I'll need to get better at Japanese, and I don't want to spend a lot of time reading easy VNs and not getting any better, because I'm knee deep in learning Japanese and that kind of stagnation would be demoralizing.

>>134103567
There's swearing, it's just a lot more limited in Japanese than in English. Which is to say there are a lot more swear words/ways to swear in English than in Japanese.

>>134103567
感謝ではなく恩返しを
誓いではなく契約を
罵倒ではなく対話を

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Is this a mistake?
Are there alot of mistakes in the deck?

>>134103589
That worked. Thanks.

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>>134103827
But you forget
- reading Monobeno will still definitely improve your Japanese, although at a slightly slower rate
- you're going to read it anyway
- it'll probably be so amazing and compelling, you'll spend much more time reading it than whatever crap you're reading instead
- the glow of pleasure of all of these amazing lolis will far outshine your lack of progress
- lolis are love, lolis are life

>>134103567
It is truth. There are dirty-ish japanese words like クソ or やろ, vulgar japanese words like マンコ or ちんポ, some english loan words like ファック and ビッチ, but no real taboo swear words. There are no words that will make your mother drastically change her opinion of you if she hears you using them.
I'm russian, I know my shit when it comes to swearing.

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Dayum, I'd make her full.

>>134103902
Mistake. There shouldn't be many, most where corrected in the last check of the deck.

>>134104087
産み月が近いですね。ってことかな
臨月ともいう

>>134103902
That is a stray leftover from when it was rendered in furigana. I've made maybe ten corrections out of the first 312 cards. These are reflected in the most up to date version, you can find by following the discussion chain in the below response. That one is corrected in my deck but not sure if it is reflected in the mega one. You should download that anyway if you have only just began the deck; the current one has concept note images for all of the basic and a third or so of the intermediate cards.

>>134103926
The mega file has been updated with that deck now.

>>134103980
>although at a slightly slower rate
At a *much* slower rate, my big problem right now is rarish kanji (e.g. kanji like 奔 which are common and used bu appear rarely enough that it may be days before you see it twice) and specialized vocabulary (politics, economics, stuff that doesn't come up in moege). Like I said, Monobeno has some medical terminology eventually which would probably help me but the intro had no trace of it.
>you're going to read it anyway
I've got a backlog of several hundred games, may as well read one that's actually hard and encourages improvement.
>you'll spend much more time reading it than whatever crap you're reading instead
紙の上の魔法使い isn't crap, bully. Though it's far easier than I remembered.
>lolis are love, lolis are life
Compelling, but I gotta git gud at Japanese, it's all I have in life.

>>134104165
Are you currently adding the notes images to the deck? If so, do you happen to have all cropped notes of all volumes or are you cropping and adding as you go?

>あたらしい was originally　あらたしい

Huh. Makes sense. あらたしい is kind of hard to say, though.

>>134104225
>my big problem right now is rarish kanji
Make a deck out of this spreadsheet if that is the case.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zorQpMJi00-b6abuvE5uBAIsMMqWVrbeHD-bIrkggQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1#gid=0

>>134104301
The latter but the pace is slow. Been afk with a lot of irl shit.

>>134104360
>deck
No beuno, my deck has close to 3,000 kanji in it, I've found I need to learn them through exposure and reading or they want stick.

>>134104360
>The latter but the pace is slow. Been afk with a lot of irl shit.
That's okay. I'll start the deck as it is now then.

How am I supposed to be memorizing words in a VN? I was reading one VN which was pretty easy; there were only one or two words every 10-15 sentences that I didn't know. I then moved onto another VN that was classified in the guide's reading list as one step harder, but now I'm encountering 2-3 unknown words every sentence. I've been creating cards for each word I don't know into a new anki deck, but I'm already doing ~40 new words a day with the core2k/6k, so I can't really do both the core deck and the new deck for this VN.

Am I supposed to just not actually review the words in anki? Should I split the 40 words I do a day into 20 from core and 20 from this VN?

>>134097271
he looks like he's about to shoot up a school

>>134104533
What are those two VNs might I ask?
In any case, I splitting 20 20 is a good idea. Yes reviewing is important.

>>134103688
When you say "reorder" them. What do you mean exactly? Let's say like you mind 20 words in a day. And you add them, but they are just several different types on kanji within those 20 words (barely any similair kanji) unless that's just a bad idea. I wouldn't know exactly, Im a beginner at mining.

Anyway, and say I put them in. Hmm, well unless you mean horde words for days and add them later. Obvoiusly, your gonna have similair kanji, just order them and transfter them in? Is there's a way to order them by difficulty that I don't know about or you have to manually just do it?

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So, wait.

I've now got Hiragana / Katakana down, and am learning grammar.

I think I get how Anki works, but which deck should I be using to learn kanji? Seriously, there are so many decks going around these threads and I can't make heads or tails of which one to use / what media I need to put in with it.

>>134097271
Nihongo ロナルド looks like he's targeting his rape victims.

>>134104340
>あらたしい is kind of hard to say, though.
That's one typical reason why words change.

>>134104528
Just set up a folder in the subdirectory of the mega link, with the individual images. Instead of downloading a new deck anyone can download those and add them to their collection.media folder for the user folder pertaining to the related deck.
Editing the HTML of the Note field of the given card with
<img src="[concept name/image file name].png" />
will add the image to the card so long as it exists within the collection.media path for the user.
<img src="Intermediate以外.png" /> for example would add the 以外 concept from the Intermediate volume notes image to the card.
By the time you reach the current stuff there might be a collection of image notes you can download and add to the card, either drag and drop them directly in or via markup as explained above.

>>134104606
>20 20 is a good idea
Ok, thank you anon

The first was hanahira, the second was I don't want to say it because I don't want someone to spoil the ending for me, sorry

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>>134104704
You're going to learn all the kanji anyway, so just pick one mane.

>>134104808
Nagisa dies.

>>134104704
Get the core deck and learn some vocab while learning the kanji

>>134104749
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it once I get to the intermediate cards.

>>134104225
Have you ever read a good lolige? If so, then you have no idea what you're missing out on. The sex scenes of standard girls in ordinary VNs seem great to you right now, because you don't know any better, but a lolige's are infinitely superior. Every movement, every twitch and gasp is a thousand times more stimulating and powerful. Have you ever been so engrossed in a scene your mind is literally blank white, barely able to make out the words on the screen, unable to feel your legs, your heart throbbing uncontrollably as you progress slowly but blissfully towards the most amazing and awe-inspiring climax ever experienced?

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>>134104833
>implying he can learn Japanese

>>134104936
>literally blank white, barely able to make out the words on the screen, unable to feel your legs, your heart throbbing uncontrollably as you progress slowly but blissfully towards the most amazing and awe-inspiring climax ever experienced?
Yes. With real sex.

>>134104808
The main heroine dies

>>134104882
Shit, I haven't been learning kanji at all since I started vocab.

>>134104833

I understand that, but from where do I get them? Half of them seem to be missing or broken links, some of them are apparently full of mistakes... it's just a big clusterfuck.

>>134104882

Which core deck?

>>134104951

I will. I'm pretty damn dedicated. I'm also doing it for work and living related purposes, rather than vietnamese comics or pedophilia, so there's a fair bit of pressure.

Does anyone here have the Dekinai-chan hentai Oc posted here a few months ago? I'd very much like it right now.

>>134104935
The user can instead use the page reference on the card to look up the notes in the specified volume as they are fundamentally the same thing. These cropped images were added for personal use when reviewing on a tablet to streamline the process. They aren't really essentially in as much as they are convenient and so if the user prefers to have a less bulky deck and doesn't want the note references directly on the cards, they can be removed without ruining the deck.