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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>134044855
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
By working faithfully eight hours a day you may eventually get to be the boss.
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rip other thread.
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魚油
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>to like
>to like a lot

Japanese is such a simple language
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>>134084513
>Japanese is such a simple language
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>>134084638
I don't see anything difficult.
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>cute as a button

I have never ever seen this used in any english books ever
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>>134084691
It was a threat. Did you miss the last line?
Really though I assumed he was on Tae Kim or something learning 大好き・好き so posting a chuuni screenshot would be funny. Of course someone studying for longer wouldn't be intimidated.
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>>134084723
It's something that your great grandmother might've said.
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>>134084638
Is there anything special about specifying the reading of 迷子・まいご as 迷い子?
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>>134084775
Yeah but it's pretty weird to see it in translations and examples sentences. There must be some sort of context to it but I'm frankly at a loss because I've never encountered it before.
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>>134084769
>Really though I assumed he was on Tae Kim or something learning 大好き・好き so posting a chuuni screenshot would be funny.
No you were just looking for any excuse to post screenshot blogs like you do multiple times a thread because you're too stupid to find the VN thread.
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>>134084810
It's literally just to appear more chuuni.
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>http://www.zynas.co.jp/genius/sokudoku/sokutei.html

149 wps
I cant learn japanese.
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>>134084839
Here comes the autist
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>>134084810
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>>134084513
Sure anon.

>protip: you can even troll Japanese in /int/ with this
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>>134084906
I don't see anything difficult. I'm just too smart and good at Japanese it seems.
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>>134084906
4-2だよ。おにいちゃん。これは難しい問題だよ?
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いたずらです
いたずら
気をつけて
やめて!!
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>>134084853
I couldn't read some of the kanji used but managed to understand what the story was about
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>>134084810
子どもが道に迷ってるなら、まいご
大人が道に迷っているなら、迷子

人生の岐路に迷っているなら、迷い子
でもこの子は人の子の意味で子供の意味ではない
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>>134085157
Did you do the adult one?
You can read the whole thing here:
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000879/files/92_14545.html
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今日は苺ましまろの第5話を見た、どうして美羽が伸恵のことがそんなに大好きか?

妹と姉はそれほど愛し合うことが絶対にできないよ。
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>>134085254
全文読むのに22秒だったよ、おにいちゃん
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>>134085325
セクシーだから
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>>134085011
難しいのは当然かな
これJLPTと違って日本人向けだし

あと、正解は4-3です。
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>>134085425
Imouto confirmed for non fluent gaijin
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>>134085325
しゅ、しゅごい!
妹の速読で体が熱くなっちゃるうううう
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>>134085299
伊藤伸江は伊藤千佳の姉で
松岡美羽はお隣のお嬢さんで血縁はないよ

>>134085425
2と3は迷ったよ、「恩師の喜寿(77歳)のお祝い」から「前田先生は高齢で現役でない」と推察して今は教鞭をとっていない意味で2のいほうがいいかなあと思ったけど。二重敬語でアウトですか
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>>134085254
I read the one for children
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>>134085662
I thought that one was harder
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>>134085704
>epic no kanji is hard meme
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What are the chances I can master Kana in a little over a month? I have my first jap class next semester, and I want to have that down.
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>>134086146
You can take it down in a week if you do it the correct and manly way
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>>134086146
Kana should take less than a week.
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>>134086146
You can do it in one night if you're a smart boy.
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100 kana in 1 night
3,000 kanji in 30 nights
any objections?
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>>134086146
I mastered your kana in just 1 night
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>>134086146
>over a month
You can do it in a day easily.
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>>134086256
>100 kana in 1 night
They are used everywhere which is why they are so easy to remember. Good luck using the 3k Kanji though.
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>>134086146
If you are smart about it you can have them down in under a couple of hours.
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>>134086181
>>134086158
>>134086282
>>134086283
Thank you guys! I'm working on it now!
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>>134086256
That's for lightweight pussies. I did core10k in one day. It's the fastest way to fluency and you only have to suffer for one day, no idea why nobody doesn't do it desu senpai
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>>134086085
You clearly didn't try both of them.

Half kanji bullshit like 一生けん命 is objectively harder than just putting in in kanji. But actually I meant because it had a couple weird terms like 活動写真館 and 交響曲
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>>134086328
It's actually the fastest way to read the newspaper.
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>tfw closing in on 2 year mark
I pretty much fucked around all November reading moege/nukige without a texthooker (i.e. not looking up words and being a lazy shit). That leaves only 4.5 months before I hit the dreaded 2 year mark and will be held accountable for my progress - "wow anon, you've been studying for two years? Surely you're fluent by now". In my head I've given myself 4 years to be fluent which leaves the 2 year mark as a *halfway* mark but peer pressure is making me feel like I should be a lot better. Anyone here who 's studied for 2 years? How good were you? Did you get affected by peer pressure?
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>>134086400
You're never gonna be completely fluent unless you move to Japan, so eventually you just gotta stop giving a shit. Just make your goal to be able to read whatever you want by the end of your third year. You'll still be looking up words and all, but as long as you aren't letting difficulty get in the way of reading what you want to read, you've made it. Improvement will just come with time.

Oh, and practice listening. I recommend listening to a couple NHK news podcasts each day. They are only 10-20 minutes each.
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>>134086400
Wow anon, you've been studying for 1 year 7.5 months? Surely you're fluent by now.
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>>134086400
What peer pressure? Nobody gives a damn whether you succeed or not. This is something between you and yourself friend, stop trying to shove the blame onto others.
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>>134086400
>peer pressure?
From who?
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>>134086580
*From whom?
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How do you say give her the dick in Japanese?
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>>134086498
>Just make your goal to be able to read whatever you want by the end of your third year.
I can already do that. I picked up my physical copy of Hyperion and by the time I was on the third page I was shocked to discover I wasn't blown the fuck out or anything and could keep reading fluidly.
Those podcasts are a good idea, thanks.
>>134086540
;_;
>>134086542
I'm not blaming anyone though? The peer pressure is real, dawg. I was watching Man in the High Castle with a friend and every time someone spoke Japanese they prodded me to translate it and tell them what they said. It's only a matter of time before a distressed Japanese lady needs help in a wal-mart and I'm unable to understand her slurred teary speech.
>>134086580
Friends and family. See above; additionally, my parents do know and are impressed, yet none have learned a second language themselves so they imagine 2 years to be plenty of time to become fluent
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>>134086640
メス豚にサオ食わせろ
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>>134086688
>Friends and family.
You fucked up, why would you ever tell anyone you're learning Japanese?
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>>134086751
>メス豚にサオ食わせろ
>The Kuwasero Sao into the female pig

lmao
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>>134086640
Dをやる
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>>134086787
>hey do we have flashcards?
>why?
>need'm to study Japanese
>oh okay, here you go.
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>>134086400
Just lie and say that you've been studying for 2 months.
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>>134086836
>not using anki
ツッコんで損した気がするほどバカな展開だ
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>>134086882
At the time I tried it but thought the format of Core2k was so fucking awful that it was impossible for me to use it. Since then the format has been forcibly changed to something good and all is well.
>>134086843
I don't lie, bub
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>I now have a general notion of when a word has rendaku
That's cool. I didn't really notice it before.
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http://www.enemieslist.net/japanese/
>404
feels bad
https://web.archive.org/web/20070105045935/http://www.enemieslist.net/japanese/
>The bottom line is that Politeness Levels are completely beyond your understanding, so don't even try. Just resign yourself to talking like a little girl for the rest of your life and hope to God that no one beats you up.
He's got a point to be honest
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>>134086688
>Those podcasts are a good idea, thanks.
No problem. There's also そこあに of course. If you watch a decent amount of anime each season then you'll probably get a decent amount from the 青田買い and other seasonal ones, although they do a lot of specials on specific shows that aren't worth listening to if you haven't watched the show
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>>134086953
Then say that you know some people who've studied for 7 years and can't even read Hanahira yet.
And as such this is a great endeavor to take and results don't come so fast.
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>>134086960
Thanks, I was wondering what it was called.
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>>134087004
Nope, he's an idiot if he actually believes that. You might never sound native, but it's certainly not a waste to try and understand when people use what polite words.
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>he can't understand anime without subs
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>>134087049
>anon, what is hanahira?
>a b-book about little girls
>why are you reading a book about little girls?
>a-actually, it's not a book!
>what is it then? show me
>h-here
>what's this shit?! anon, are you a fucking pedo? we didn't raise you to be a rapist! no more computers or japanese for you!
>n-nooo
Nah, don't mention it.
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>>134087400
I wouldn't either way, it's something you can't be told and really understand, I think. You have to experience it for yourself.
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>>134087518
>You have to experience it for yourself.
That's deep.
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>>134087538
The subject actually is pretty deep, I wish I remembered where I read about it.
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>>134087400
Show them a LN. The text with no images makes it more impressive even if the content is simple to read.
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>>134084723
https://www.google.com/search?q=cute+as+a+button&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=XAdaVtvoHcSIUfKyt7AO#q=%22cute+as+a+button%22&tbs=bkv:p,bkt:b,sbd:1&tbm=bks
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Are you a bad enough dude to read the first page of 人類は衰退しました?
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>さて、この前の手紙にあった質問に答えましょう。 もし結婚しないなら、それは良いことです。  しかし、普通の場合、結婚するのが一番良いでしょう。
>Now for the matters you wrote about: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman."

Where did the Japanese Bible get
>もし結婚しないなら、それは良いことです。
Am I interpreting this wrong?
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Nice example sentences, now I really understand!
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>>134088085
>そんあ道ではなくなろうとしている道
Romeo is so good
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>>134088133
>black on white text
>that format
>成る程
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>>134088133
Hello Reddit.
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>>134088133
Which deck is that?
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>>134088226
You caught me, what memes do I have to know to fit in?
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>>134088328
An awful one. Your cards should have very little information on them. I recommend using EPWING dictionary for all the example sentences you need to figure out what the word means.
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>>134088171
Does that mean "the road that's trying to kill me"?
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>>134088433
You serious?
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>>134088460
yea
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>>134088517
Oh ok. Well it means "road that is trying to become not a road", なくなる is literally "become not" in this case
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>>134088517
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>>134088534
thanks
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>>134088534
Not the guy who asked, but thanks. I couldn't parse ではなくなろう, I kept thinking ではなかろう.
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>>134088534
Isn't it ではなく + なろう and not では + なくなる ?
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>See "木場" for the first time
>Feel 100% confident that the reading is "もくじょう"
>It's actually "きば"
Fucking Kanjis man
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>>134088673
では + なく + なる
I know ではない exists but I focused on なくなる because I imagined he was rikaing it and seeing "to die"
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>>134088726
場 is a real cunt, I've noticed it using Kun readings for Jukugo a few times
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>>134088114
I think I understand why it's so different. In the English version, "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman" is quoting what was said by the person being written to. The rest of the paragraph goes on to explain basically that if you want to have sex, you should get a wife and only do it with her.

The Japanese version, on the other hand, just answers the person being written to directly, without first quoting what was said. In other words, it's saying "If you don't get married, then it's good [for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman]". If you read the rest of the Japanese version of that paragraph, you'll see that it's still saying the same thing as the English version, just in a slightly different way.
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>>134088887
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.
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>>134088213
>成る程
Why is it that things usually written in hiragana are so funny when written with kanji?
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>>134088534
>>134088534
>road that is trying to become not a road
No, it means it's a road that is on it's way to not being a road, i.e. it's in disrepair.
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>>134089116
probably some ancient samurai-era story behind the etymology
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>>134089222
Explain
>なろうとしている
Which, to me, is clearly the volitional + として which means "to try".
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>>134088213
>>134088411
better now?
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>>134089347
I wouldn't leave sentences on the front of the card. You'll get used to the sentence, rather than the word.
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>>134089347
Try these.
>color: #CCC;
>background-color: #111;
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>>134089347
Big problem, to me, is that the kana spelling is so obnoxiously placed, 車道 車道[しゃどう], I would recommend something like pic related that's real fast and real clear. Furthermore you have a lot of empty space on the front (i.e. line breaks in the middle of nowhere) that would be best removed.

Also, white text on black is just my personal preference, you can do whichever you want
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>>134089367
Nah. If you want to answer quickly (after you see the card for the Nth time), you just read the word and don't bother with the sentence anymore.
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>>134089310
Yes, but when applied to inanimate objects/events it has a different usage.

See: http://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E3%81%A8%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6

>火が燃えきろうとしている.
>The fire is down. - 研究社 新英和中辞典

>何が起ころうとしているの?
>What is going to happen? - Weblio Email例文集

>ドアが閉まろうとしている。
>The door is closing. - Tanaka Corpus
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Can someone use the word temperament in a sentence for me?
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>>134089585
I would much prefer a written explanation but I will believe you for now.
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>>134089649
It means something is about to happen or something will happen in the near future
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It's been 1 year already, how much did you improve since then?
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>>134089649
see also Advanced DoJG, page 475
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>>134089794
I didn't even read 1 year ago, I started on march of this year, so the improve has been quite significant
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>>134089693
>>134089796
Well, my mistake then. I guess Japanese really does have many tricks behind its sleeves.
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>>134089794
I passed JLPT N2 1 year ago, and I'm doing N1 this year.
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>>134089886

How long have you been studying Japanese?
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>>134089957
Since April 2012
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>>134089989
April 2014 here
Always nice to know start dates. Kind of inspiring, maybe.
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>>134089367
I don't usually read it and if I have to, I'll use my judgement to answer accordingly.
>>134089456
I think it's pretty good now. Yours looks nice, but I guess I want to keep the sentence.
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>>134090115
You could make the font bigger for the vocab word itself. So it pops.
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I am learning japanese for about half a year now and I have to say it really starts bothering me when I understand something but I read it being translated completely differently.

Do other people experience this too? I am still not good enough to play untranslated VNs but when the sentences are not complicated I can sometimes understand them and it really is annoying how they blatantly mistranslate stuff only to make it read better in english. Or when they translate the same sentence differently at different times in the game. Ugh.
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>>134089598
My waifu has a feisty temperament
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>>134089367
>You'll get used to the sentence, rather than the word.
>That's bad.
>What are collocations?

Based on the sentence in that screenshot it seems like the person is a beginner and it's probably a good idea for beginners to drill sentences instead of words. Languages have their own ways of arranging ideas and getting exposed to the correct way often and drilling it will only help one get used to that way of thinking. If a beginner is just learning single words, then they might be tempted to still think in their native language when trying to arrange an idea. This is no bueno, yo. バカお兄ちゃん
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>>134090400
>it really is annoying how they blatantly mistranslate stuff only to make it read better in english.
Translator here: try translating a large bulk of work yourself. It will become abundantly clear how superior liberal translations are. Don't get annoyed, this is really just something over your head.
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>>134090467
Then do a sentence deck instead of plain vocab. I'm going off the idea of recalling vocab.
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>>134090544
It's like they say, a good translator must be a good writer.
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>貴族の位は上から順に、公爵、侯爵、伯爵、子爵、男爵の5段階。

1 and 2 have the same pronunciation, wtf japanese
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Translator Test: Translate this:
>いただきます!
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>>134090718
Itadakimasu!
Translator's note: Itadakimasu!
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>>134090718
Itadakimasu!
TL Note: If you know Japanese you should know what this means
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>>134090718
Hyvää ruokahalua!
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>>134090718
Rub-a-dub-dub thanks for the grub!
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>>134090718
Thanks for the food?
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>>134089222
LITERALLY the same thing in this case
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>>134090718
That moldy shit from the back of your fridge was fucking oishii, Nana-chan!
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>>134090778
People should only translate it as this from now on
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Does anyone recognize this character? Thought it was さ, but thats not right.
>>134090823
That's not what the Japanese says
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>>134090871
>That's not what the Japanese says

>Does anyone recognize this character? Thought it was さ, but thats not right.

I don't think you're qualified to tell what the Japanese says
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>>134090871
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>>134090871
It's an obvious 5
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>>134090823
ごちそうさま。。。
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>>134090919
>>134090931
You can't learn English! Get rekt
>>134090947
Yup
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>>134090836
「頂きます」とは、「私の命のために動植物の命を頂きます」の意味から。 古くから人は自然の恵みをもらって生きてきました。自然の恵みとは、言い換えれば、数々の動植物の生命をもらうこと。これらの行為は生きとしいけるものすべてに共通の行為。いのちがつながり合ってみな生きている(生かされている)のです。  

「多くの生き物を犠牲にして生きている」こと、偉大な自然への感謝の気持ちを表 したものです。
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>>134090979
Is monkey a grade?
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>>134091018
Monkey is さる
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>>134090989
妹ってさ
結構引用を間違うよね

もっと気をつけたほうがいいんじゃいかな
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>>134091101
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At what point can I expect to be able to watch animu without subtitles?

When should I start?
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>>134091827
Now

Now
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Is this saying that there's something that makes them feel like they should have a complex?
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>>134090718
Bless us, O Lord, and these, Thy gifts, which we are about to receive from Thy bounty. Through Christ, our Lord. Amen.

This is the translation for ご馳走様でした:
We give Thee/You thanks, Almighty God, for all Thy benefits, and for the poor souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, may they rest in peace. Amen.
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>>134091906
I think it's complex the adjective and it's just trying to be special by using English.
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>>134091906
I feel like if don't have complex feelings about this "Thing" it's not.
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>>134091977
Woulldn't they have used な instead of に if that was the case?
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>>134091977
>>134092026
But it's talking about complex as in inferiority complex.
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am I the only one to have give up after a year or so ?
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>>134092119
That's most people.
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>>134091906
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B9%E3%81%AB%E6%84%9F%E3%81%98%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%E4%BA%8B%E3%81%8C%E3%81%82%E3%82%8B%E6%B0%97%E3%82%82%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%E3%81%8C
:)
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>>134092119
2 years for me, but I technically didn't "give up." I still do daily kanji writing practice, but barely read. I just don't have the interest I used to. Writing's fun, though.
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>>134092119
I gave up 2 weeks in.
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>>134092055
"To feel it complexly" so adverb not adjective

But apparently that's not it since the person with context says otherwise >>134092057
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>>134092119
I gave up once after 2 weeks, once after 1 month, once after 3 months and I'm currently not studying
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>>134092371
勉強ないではいけないよ
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>>134090544
This, I used to be like >>134090400 too, but after a while I realized that the best course of action when translating Japanese is to grasp just the important information, the tone and the intention of the characters and construct a sentence in English that conveys all you have to convey without adding in too much new information. The more you try to stay formally close to how the character expressed the line the more your translation will sound awkward. The languages are just too different.
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>>134092371
Why the hell are you here then?
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Just getting started. Memorized my kana, easy enough. What do I do now to dive in and maximize my speed + efficiency of learning?

Do Tae Kim? Genki? Or Anki?

I'm particularly stuck on whether I should grind grammar or grind vocab. I feel like if I grinded grammar, it would more quickly help me learn through passively watching anime as my mind would recognize structures and fill in vocab/word gaps.
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>>134092362
Thank you! I love it when I say something stupid and then someone explains why it was wrong; I will remember forever.
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>>134092641
Do both.
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>>134092641
You need to learn grammar, vocab, and kanji all at the same time. Grind some vocab and study (not grind) some grammar every day.
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>>134092641
You do anki and tae kim's at the same time. Genki in place of tae kim if you prefer that.
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>>134092641
Both -- Tae Kim inside of Anki... and read stuff that you have translations for and you'll start to notice the patterns that you read about. Then you go back and read Tae Kim (or whatever grammar book again) to verify what you've learned and then you start to work on more complex things as you keep reading.

I really liked the JapanesePod101 nihongo dojo lessons for this purpose. I would just cut out the dialogues they had and read the transcript over and over.
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>>134092472
なにを言いたいんだ
英語でいいよ

>>134092547
I'm here to shitpost
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>>134092772
勉強しなくてはいけないと思う.
僕は頭が悪いよ
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>>134092772
>ないを言いたいんだ
ないと言いたいのよ
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>>134092766
How do you guys proceed with Tae Kim? It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension as a baseline (of course, with intent to re-read in the future and study in close detail). Does this sound sensible?
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>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension
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>>134093291
Refer back to it whenever you encounter the grammar in c. material.
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>>134093291
I have been slowly reading through it over time and making sure I retain everything from one section before moving on to the next.
You're not going to get much out of reading the whole thing in one day, since he covers a lot of specific material in a short amount of time, but it could work if you read it like that every day for a month or so I guess.
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>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day
Well, shit.
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>>134093291
Sounds inefficient. Go through 1-3 lessons a day and try to comprehend more so you don't have to refer back as a much. You're going to be on the vocab grind for a bit anyway so might as well spread the grammar out instead of trying to cram it all at once.
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>spice and wolf manga has furigana
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YHESSSS
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>>134093291
>Does this sound sensible?

To me it does. Read through it quickly like you are reading a novel, not a text book. Obviously you won't remember everything, but you will get a good overview. Then when you see specific things while reading you can go back and look at the details again.

Trying to learn everything perfectly before moving on is a huge waste of time.
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>>134093643
>manga is literally just the anime in frames

there goes my enthusiasm
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>>134093291
No matter how slowly you read that shit you won't remember it the first time anyway

So yeah

Know which topic are covered so you can quickly refer to them when encountering grammar

use rikaichan to identify unknown conjugations
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>>134093811
This is horrible advice.
A beginner needs to hammer down all the basic grammar, which takes a while.
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>Want to play an old favorite to ease the boredom
>Let's mix it up a little and do it in nip
>Surely I can follow what's going on, I've been studying
>Fuck

It's merciless walls of runes like this that make me doubt myself and all the time I've spent studying. Seems as if the unknown words don't have an end.
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Can anyone identify this kanji?
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>>134094251
廃れた
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>>134094298
ah, thanks
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>>134094251
廃れた?
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>>134093750
>Horo transforms into wolf
>suddenly really weird font
>what the fuck are these kanji
>furigana disappears

WHY YOU DOING THIS TO ME JAPAN
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>>134094444
It adds to the mysterious edge factor that kids love.
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>>134090467

>If a beginner is just learning single words, then they might be tempted to still think in their native language when trying to arrange an idea.

Thinking in their native tongue is something that beginners do when their grasp on the grammar is so poor and/or when their vocabulary is so tiny that thinking in Japanese is impossible. You'll naturally begin to trend towards comprehending in Japanese as you improve at reading and listening, which you'll need to do a lot of in order to get good, anyways. I wouldn't worry about it unless you've gone through several VNs and still find yourself thinking "Okay, so this part means..."

Core is for quickly building up your raw word count faster than you would by other means. Anything that lowers the number of cards that you can do every day while still completing reviews is bad.
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Anybody here use wanikani? How is it?
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>>134095399
Worse than anki; limited; costs money
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>>134095399
Tried when I first though about learning Japanese. Don't bother, it's just anki dressed up with a cost and it artificially slows you down.
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>>134095399
Anything that you like is fine as long as you continue.
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>>134095545
This is a bit misleading. Yes if you keep going you will be good. However, wanikani is *objectively* worse than anki in every single way. So, that's the answer to his question. No need to be wishy washy about it
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>>134093291
I'm making notes as I go through JTMW to add to Anki. Otherwise it would all be water off a duck's back.
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https://twitter.com/sayori_nw/status/667675376420700161
>ショコラのアバラをしゃぶり隊
lel
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>>134095399
I use it, it's (as everyone else has said) a considerably slower and paid Anki. Nice if you prefer to have structure because you're an ADD riddled babby.

I'm considering switching back to Anki and reading more despite not nearly being at a good level of knowledge.
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>>134095752
>なで = until
Make sure you change that to まで

Good call on the notes, I wrote down a lot of similar stuff to that while doing Genki, Tae Kim, and DoJG when I was starting out.
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>fourth day in a row with new cards turned off
>still fucking up every card
>on track to have half of the core2k cards I've seen leeched

Halp
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>>134095643
You're right, however, using a method that one prefers raises motivation, even if it's not the most effective way of studying. Motivation helps to continue in the long run.
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>eat my own cum two days ago
>still have the taste in my mouth
any tips?

>2日前ゼーメンを食べた
>惜しくなかった
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>>134095921
In the long run, wanikani ends and then you're left stranded.
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>>134095946
And then you switch to anki.
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>>134093291
>It seems feasible to read the entire guide within a day with reasonable comprehension
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>>134095920
Start writing, do RTK or something, that should help, I think.
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>>134095985
That's my point. You should have started from anki in the beginning if you're going to end up there anyway. Not even in the long run is wani kani good.
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>>134095926
Keep eating your cum until you learn to like it
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>>134096069
And you could have spent the money on physical manga or LNs instead, and had something nice on your shelf and support the authors you like.
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>>134095643

No anon, don't you know that being supportive means telling someone that anything that they do will get them the results that they want, even if that's bullshit? Any kind of discouragement or scrutiny of their plan, no matter how rational, founded in knowledge and experience, and done in good will towards the advised party, is bad!


>>134095921

If they're asking, what they want is results.

Wanikani is just a shittier version of anki that costs money. The only reasons to encourage people to use it over anki are ignorance and being subscribed to this terrible mentality that the correct answer always lies in being "supportive" (note the quotes), as I described above.
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>>134094009
It's just magical technobabble. "Pseudo-spatial multi-layer barrier based on curse strengthening theory" or whatever. Not really supposed to make sense. Don't get intimidated by the whole and just break it down into parts and you'll be fine.
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>>134096287
We've already told you, that girl's a Slav, a race inferior to both Whites and Japanese. Please fix the picture.
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>>134096409
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>>134096498
What is the official ranking of races?
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post kanjigrids
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>>134096498
>slav
>clearly a tatar

килл јоурселф
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>open up monobeno
>it's easy as hell
In one moment, I became the envy of 99% of western lolicons
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Holy shit
Tae Kim is an alpha ikemen
Why WOULDN'T you use his guide? Shit
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This looks like it has the 已,
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>>134097278
含む
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>>134096892
smug ass
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>>134097278
Just draw in in google translate next time.
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>>134097278
It's in the first row on Jisho using
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>>134097348
Not smug, just superior
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>>134097390
>>134097371
>>134097324
T-Thanks Anons.
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sorry for asking this retarded question but I can't ' access tae kim's guide at the moment

could you remind me what させます in a verb/sentence means? doing something you're not supposed to?
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>>134097759
>為せる させる (v1,vt,uk) to make (someone) do; to allow (someone) to; (P)
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>>134097759
させる is the causative
食べさせる - to make someone eat
走らせる - to make someone run

can also mean let in some contexts
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>>134097844

fuck

thanks and sorry
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What compelling content are you engaging in right now?
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Tae Kim said that
>After 4 or 5 years of studying Japanese, I’m at a near-native or 帰国子女 level.
I wonder if he went especially fast of if I should hold myself to the same standard.
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>>134098475
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>>134098603
>same standard.
Do you plan on living in Japan perhaps?
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>>134098648
Not in particular
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>>134098475
crappy news
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>緑切る

Does it really mean severing ties?
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>>134098904
Severing GREEN
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>>134096287
>not an actual japanese person
>learning a language in order to do something that doesn't require you to learn the language
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>>134098904
縁 m8
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>>134098961
He's probably referring to sex related stuff in general, like nukige and such.
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>>134099508
>.gif
>still image
Why you do this?
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>>134099508
I've always wondered this. Do girls like that have 4 ears, or is there just an awkwardly empty spot on the side of her head?
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>>134099546
All I could find were gif versions, and I didn't look for too long.
>>134099578
It's a mystery forever hidden behind their hair.
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>>134084253
Reposting from last thread as the guide maintainer(s?) haven't responded to feedback since at least the 7th of October.
Use this link for the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar complete Anki deck with concept note images (up to around a 1/4 of the Intermediate section, might be different now) and the DoJG reference pdf.
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw
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https://youtu.be/l-8zQC-9Iok?t=20
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>>134099942
guide-anon was here a couple threads ago to update the kitsunekko link

they just haven't looked at the feedback, I think.
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>>134100430
>He forgot to thank them for hentai...
So true
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>>134100430
Worse than anything Bush ever did to be honest.
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>>134100552
That falls under the other shit.
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>>134100430
Literally the best president since Washington
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>>134100779
He can't stump the Trump.
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なんかつまんないな
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>>134098475
あんき
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>>134096768
No.

I'm saving a Kanji grid every day so I can become maximum meme when I know them all, you can't ruse me into posting part of my grid.
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>>134102069
What do you mean? When you know all the kanji? Why would that make you a maximum meme?
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>>134102130
>What do you mean? When you know all the kanji?

All the JLPT, that is.

>why would that make you a maximum meme?

Because I could make a neat gif of my journey.
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What's a reasonable number of cards to review in a day with Anki?

I'm using the deck from the guide linked in the OP and it's set at 20 which seems kind of low.
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>>134102222
I've done as many as 50 and as low as 10, it varies. Just pick a number and do it for a few days and see if you can keep up. Then adjust if necessary.
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>>134102222
You review every card every day.
The limit should be maxed out at 9999.
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>>134102181
You mean jouyou? That could be neat. I'm debating just manually adding the last 100 or so into my deck because it doesn't seem like I'm going to naturally find them any time soon.
>>134102222
New cards day like... 5% of the time to do? The bulk of anki tends to be reviews, and the more new cards you do the more reviews you get. So even if 20 seems low initially, it may not be so little when you end up with 200-400 reviews.
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>>134102264
>not doing 300 in a single day
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>>134102310
>You mean jouyou?
Yes, they're sorted by JLPT grade in the grid, that's what mixed my brain up.

So yeah, when I'm done I'll have a gif showing my grid slowly filling in day by day.
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>>134100479
Wasn't the point of the feedback so they didn't have to check these threads? Leaving a comment in the feedback should automatically prompt the person who has access to that page via email. It is a little redundant if they are checking here instead of the most direct method they set up.
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>>134102391
I noticed that, it says JLPT on the options menu but I'm pretty sure it's not actually sorted by JLPT? After all there are 5 jlpt levels and yet 6 grades + JuniorHS + New on the grid.
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>>134102406
I don't think they're doing anything wrong, but this is kind of why I wanted a wiki.
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What is と's function in this sentence?
この道を真っ直ぐ行くと駅です
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>>134102380
>not just doing all of them every day
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I thought I was struggling with vocab when I could never remember the readings.

Now I'm remembering the readings without remembering the meaning, and it's worse.
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>>134102477
'If' you go..
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>>134102492
>holding enter
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>>134102477
condition
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>>134102477
It means basically "and" as in "go straight down this road and the station's right there"
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>>134102564
>>134102581
>>134102583
Thank's anons. My grammar is so shit I keep getting the meaning of sentences wrong, I'm just vaguely guessing everything.
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>>134102474
Seems they are either making it harder on themselves by not using what they set up or don't care all that much.

>>134102492
>Ignore robot threads
>Ignore robot posts
>Do not reply to robot posters
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Why are you learning the language of a people that will be extinct in 50 years?
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Halfway done with hiragana
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>>134102770
Doesn't matter if I'm dead in 50 years too
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>>134102770
Everyone who knows Japanese will go extinct in 50 years?
Tell us your secrets.
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>>134102813
Don't do what I did and assume you can skip katakana

You can't
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>>134102888
I skipped katakana and learnt them from looking up their readings every time they came up
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>>134102916
>readings
That's a really strange way to put it.
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Need help /djt/

Whats the most effective way to mind words? Do you guys just get words from your reading material with new kanji and just add them? Im asking because I have a problem with the mind deck, its way to hard to remember words comparing to core (probably due to a shit ton of new kanji)

My core deck I get 85-90% retention rate for like the last 30 days, its really easy.

My mind deck I get 70%-80%. It's pretty annoying to keep pressing again over and over when you don't do that with the core deck.

Basically, is that suppose to be normal doing two vocab decks at once and this happens? Im alot more conformable with core than my mind deck. The mind deck is a lot newer too btw, Im guessing that can be the reason.
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Someone in the last thread posted the latest (at least by date) version of the DOJG deck but the cards are disordered. Is there any way to reorder them again in the CoR order?
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw
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>>134102888
Yeah no way. I'm just going to follow the guide and use tae kim
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>>134103006
You can't learn Japanese until you learn English, friend.
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>>134103006
Core words are the most common words with common kanji introduced in progress order.. Mined words are random words with kanji of random rarity. It's natural you'd struggle to remember more rare words and kanji, over common words and kanji.
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>>134103027
Downloading now. Which order are you referring to?
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>>134103006
× mind
○ mine / mined
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>>134103155
>>134103054
Shove off, will ya?
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>>134103113
The same as this spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j3aZpGEV1uSYwDQfBJR3BlDHHYWoaWIIfHMY6wiM_bQ/edit?pli=1
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>>134103229
Okay, got'cha. Give me a sec and I'll see what I can do.
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>>134096892
Does it live up to the hype? Obviously all lolige are god-tier, but is it superior even among them?
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>>134103006
Do you understand what you're trying to memorize?
ex. Trying to memorize the word for cat without having any idea what a cat looks like
Do you actually feel a need for knowing the word?
ex. engel's coefficient.
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A friend tried to tell me that Japanese doesn't have swearing, and the words that are translated as swearing in anime are just a liberty of translation, because swearing just doesn't exist culturally.

Is there any truth to this or is he full of shit?
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>>134103229
>>134103327
Okay, what I did was very simple: export the deck as
Notes in Plain Text (*.txt)
Include tags
Open card browser, select and delete all cards for the 日本語文法辞典例文全集(cloze) anki deck.
Re-import the txt file that was just imported, back into the deck, making sure the card type is the same as before. It was 日本語文法辞典例文全集-29c61 on my end.
Now the deck should be reset. back to what it was originally. Give us a heads up if this doesn't work.
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>>134103531
I didn't keep reading, I'm reading stuff to get better and so an easy game is not really going to help. I think it starts talking about medicine later which some people said is difficult, so maybe if I stuck with it I would eventually benefit from it... but for now, nah.
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>>134096892
Can't read.
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>>134103655
Thanks for the update
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>>134103006
This is a post I made back in July, maybe you and others can benefit from this. As for remembering words on a mined deck, you can try to reorder them by Kanji difficulty (KO order) like the Core does, but I can't say I share the same problem as I find mined words easier to remember than Core words.

Depends on what I'm reading.

>Manga with furigana
Look up the word in Jisho, and then copy it to a text file.
>Manga without furigana
Looking up words in Kanjitomo and adding them to its internal list. Export the list when I'm done reading. Alternatively, I use Google Input Tools for handwriting recognition.
>Videogames
Google Input Tools, look up the words in Jisho and copy them to a text file.
>Visual novels
Chiitrans Lite to look up the words on mouseover. Add the words to a text file. I also made a shitty script to copy the contents of the clipboard to a text file with a key, but it copies the whole sentence.
>Light novels
Kindle with converted Aozora Bunko files and passed through the Amazon Document Service. Highlight the words I look up in the dictionary and when I want to import the words, copy the "My Clippings.txt" and filter it with regex.

I then create cards from the words on the text files en masse with Epwing2Anki.
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>>134103567
くそだよ
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>>134103567
"swear words" are mostly just expletives and crude references to certain body parts and human actions, depending what is generally seen as uncouth in the given culture. These taboo words also exist in Japanese. Due to the nature of these expletives a direct translation doesn't really work most of the time, so the phraseology is localised.
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>>134103607
Wait, are you learning Japanese to read VNs, or are you reading VNs to learn Japanese? If it's the latter, why are you learning Japanese?
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>>134103711
Former and latter. VNs are a significant motivator in learning Japanese but I also want to actually learn Japanese.
Furthermore, context is necessary. Monobeno, a VN I want to read, is easy. However, Muramasa, a VN I want to read, is hard. If I want to read all the VNs I want to read, I'll need to get better at Japanese, and I don't want to spend a lot of time reading easy VNs and not getting any better, because I'm knee deep in learning Japanese and that kind of stagnation would be demoralizing.
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>>134103567
There's swearing, it's just a lot more limited in Japanese than in English. Which is to say there are a lot more swear words/ways to swear in English than in Japanese.
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>>134103567
感謝ではなく恩返しを
誓いではなく契約を
罵倒ではなく対話を
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Is this a mistake?
Are there alot of mistakes in the deck?
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>>134103589
That worked. Thanks.
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>>134103827
But you forget
- reading Monobeno will still definitely improve your Japanese, although at a slightly slower rate
- you're going to read it anyway
- it'll probably be so amazing and compelling, you'll spend much more time reading it than whatever crap you're reading instead
- the glow of pleasure of all of these amazing lolis will far outshine your lack of progress
- lolis are love, lolis are life
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>>134103567
It is truth. There are dirty-ish japanese words like クソ or やろ, vulgar japanese words like マンコ or ちんポ, some english loan words like ファック and ビッチ, but no real taboo swear words. There are no words that will make your mother drastically change her opinion of you if she hears you using them.
I'm russian, I know my shit when it comes to swearing.
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Dayum, I'd make her full.
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>>134103902
Mistake. There shouldn't be many, most where corrected in the last check of the deck.
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>>134104087
産み月が近いですね。ってことかな
臨月ともいう
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>>134103902
That is a stray leftover from when it was rendered in furigana. I've made maybe ten corrections out of the first 312 cards. These are reflected in the most up to date version, you can find by following the discussion chain in the below response. That one is corrected in my deck but not sure if it is reflected in the mega one. You should download that anyway if you have only just began the deck; the current one has concept note images for all of the basic and a third or so of the intermediate cards.

>>134103926
The mega file has been updated with that deck now.
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>>134103980
>although at a slightly slower rate
At a *much* slower rate, my big problem right now is rarish kanji (e.g. kanji like 奔 which are common and used bu appear rarely enough that it may be days before you see it twice) and specialized vocabulary (politics, economics, stuff that doesn't come up in moege). Like I said, Monobeno has some medical terminology eventually which would probably help me but the intro had no trace of it.
>you're going to read it anyway
I've got a backlog of several hundred games, may as well read one that's actually hard and encourages improvement.
>you'll spend much more time reading it than whatever crap you're reading instead
紙の上の魔法使い isn't crap, bully. Though it's far easier than I remembered.
>lolis are love, lolis are life
Compelling, but I gotta git gud at Japanese, it's all I have in life.
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>>134104165
Are you currently adding the notes images to the deck? If so, do you happen to have all cropped notes of all volumes or are you cropping and adding as you go?
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>あたらしい was originally あらたしい

Huh. Makes sense. あらたしい is kind of hard to say, though.
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>>134104225
>my big problem right now is rarish kanji
Make a deck out of this spreadsheet if that is the case.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zorQpMJi00-b6abuvE5uBAIsMMqWVrbeHD-bIrkggQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1#gid=0

>>134104301
The latter but the pace is slow. Been afk with a lot of irl shit.
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>>134104360
>deck
No beuno, my deck has close to 3,000 kanji in it, I've found I need to learn them through exposure and reading or they want stick.
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>>134104360
>The latter but the pace is slow. Been afk with a lot of irl shit.
That's okay. I'll start the deck as it is now then.
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How am I supposed to be memorizing words in a VN? I was reading one VN which was pretty easy; there were only one or two words every 10-15 sentences that I didn't know. I then moved onto another VN that was classified in the guide's reading list as one step harder, but now I'm encountering 2-3 unknown words every sentence. I've been creating cards for each word I don't know into a new anki deck, but I'm already doing ~40 new words a day with the core2k/6k, so I can't really do both the core deck and the new deck for this VN.

Am I supposed to just not actually review the words in anki? Should I split the 40 words I do a day into 20 from core and 20 from this VN?
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>>134097271
he looks like he's about to shoot up a school
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>>134104533
What are those two VNs might I ask?
In any case, I splitting 20 20 is a good idea. Yes reviewing is important.
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>>134103688
When you say "reorder" them. What do you mean exactly? Let's say like you mind 20 words in a day. And you add them, but they are just several different types on kanji within those 20 words (barely any similair kanji) unless that's just a bad idea. I wouldn't know exactly, Im a beginner at mining.

Anyway, and say I put them in. Hmm, well unless you mean horde words for days and add them later. Obvoiusly, your gonna have similair kanji, just order them and transfter them in? Is there's a way to order them by difficulty that I don't know about or you have to manually just do it?
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So, wait.

I've now got Hiragana / Katakana down, and am learning grammar.

I think I get how Anki works, but which deck should I be using to learn kanji? Seriously, there are so many decks going around these threads and I can't make heads or tails of which one to use / what media I need to put in with it.
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>>134097271
Nihongo ロナルド looks like he's targeting his rape victims.
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>>134104340
>あらたしい is kind of hard to say, though.
That's one typical reason why words change.
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>>134104528
Just set up a folder in the subdirectory of the mega link, with the individual images. Instead of downloading a new deck anyone can download those and add them to their collection.media folder for the user folder pertaining to the related deck.
Editing the HTML of the Note field of the given card with
<img src="[concept name/image file name].png" />
will add the image to the card so long as it exists within the collection.media path for the user.
<img src="Intermediate以外.png" /> for example would add the 以外 concept from the Intermediate volume notes image to the card.
By the time you reach the current stuff there might be a collection of image notes you can download and add to the card, either drag and drop them directly in or via markup as explained above.
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>>134104606
>20 20 is a good idea
Ok, thank you anon

The first was hanahira, the second was I don't want to say it because I don't want someone to spoil the ending for me, sorry
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>>134104704
You're going to learn all the kanji anyway, so just pick one mane.
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>>134104808
Nagisa dies.
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>>134104704
Get the core deck and learn some vocab while learning the kanji
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>>134104749
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it once I get to the intermediate cards.
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>>134104225
Have you ever read a good lolige? If so, then you have no idea what you're missing out on. The sex scenes of standard girls in ordinary VNs seem great to you right now, because you don't know any better, but a lolige's are infinitely superior. Every movement, every twitch and gasp is a thousand times more stimulating and powerful. Have you ever been so engrossed in a scene your mind is literally blank white, barely able to make out the words on the screen, unable to feel your legs, your heart throbbing uncontrollably as you progress slowly but blissfully towards the most amazing and awe-inspiring climax ever experienced?
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>>134104833
>implying he can learn Japanese
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>>134104936
>literally blank white, barely able to make out the words on the screen, unable to feel your legs, your heart throbbing uncontrollably as you progress slowly but blissfully towards the most amazing and awe-inspiring climax ever experienced?
Yes. With real sex.
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>>134104808
The main heroine dies
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>>134104882
Shit, I haven't been learning kanji at all since I started vocab.
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>>134104833

I understand that, but from where do I get them? Half of them seem to be missing or broken links, some of them are apparently full of mistakes... it's just a big clusterfuck.

>>134104882

Which core deck?

>>134104951

I will. I'm pretty damn dedicated. I'm also doing it for work and living related purposes, rather than vietnamese comics or pedophilia, so there's a fair bit of pressure.
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Does anyone here have the Dekinai-chan hentai Oc posted here a few months ago? I'd very much like it right now.
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>>134104935
The user can instead use the page reference on the card to look up the notes in the specified volume as they are fundamentally the same thing. These cropped images were added for personal use when reviewing on a tablet to streamline the process. They aren't really essentially in as much as they are convenient and so if the user prefers to have a less bulky deck and doesn't want the note references directly on the cards, they can be removed without ruining the deck.
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>>134104704
Core 2k/6k
Try to not kill youreself
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>>134105098
>Which core deck?
core2k/6k or whatever it was called
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>>134104808
Oh, okay.
The hardest VN I've ever read is, ironically, Innocent Bullet. I've read a lot of SOL, as far as I can tell, if it's SOL I pretty much never need dictionary help (here are games I've read and had no problem even without a texthooker due to so little unknown vocab: http://pastebin.com/XHyPwDgs), and yet when I open up Innocent Bullet (pic related) I get blown the fuck out almost every line. Point being, I guess, is that when you get comfortable in a certain genre, another genre will blow you the fuck out.
For some reason, Silverio Vendetta actually seemed to have an easier vocab level than Innocent Bullet (harder grammar though). That may be just because I've read 90% of innocent bullet by now though.
>>134104936
Tsuushinbo, bra. So good.
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>>134105098
Try the one in the OP. I'm guessing it's core6k
http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi
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>>134105098
Anki is shite, use memrise.
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>>134105245
I could read that line without dictionary lookups and I've only finished one moege. Am I a natural?
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Having created my own split decks, I honestly think that going through Core 6k before going through your mined words is a good idea. Core contains a shitload of words that are worthy of the deck's name. Regardless of what you happen to be reading, if it's in Japanese and is of moderate length, it probably contains a large portion of those words.

I still add words to my mined decks, but I've abandoned actually using them until I'm done with Core.
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>>134105418
>web-based SRS
>not being able to do reps if the site undergoes maintenance, the server goes down, or your internet connection goes out
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>>134105418
- said no one ever
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Anki is making my eyes hurt. Am I not compatible with Japanese because I'm not a slanty eyed gook like Tae Kim?
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>>134105506
Buy some sick-ass sunglasses so you can be a Japanese pro.
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>>134104808
Suzuno is a time traveller from the future
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>>134105443
That line wasn't actually too hard, I went through all of my screenshots and couldn't find any hard parts, it's really just the consistently high level vocabulary, plus I wasn't / still aren't used to kanji strings like pic related.
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>>134105560
Are you the guy who made the intermediate hell thing?
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>>134105588
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>>134105556
My monitor is already pretty dim, though.
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>>134105661
Look up about changing the anki color settings then. Maybe opt for a beige background or something.
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Non potestis iaponicam discere
-Iamalus Magnus
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>>134105971
Ergo sum Roma
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>>134106077
I think the problems started with the flute
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>>134105443
I'm not sure you really understand what you just asked. It is a matter of knowledge; you can't know a word you haven't come across before. You could know every word in that image but it could be a biased selection that doesn't reflect anything else aside that selection. "natural" in this context doesn't make a lick of sense because language comes to humans naturally with the different between individuals being exposure.

A word is a word and you can be able to read highly specific technical documentation and still struggle with a short story for children if you haven't had any experience with the words which make up the pivot points of meaning in each clause. Basically many and probably most people in the language learning community had a fundamentally misunderstanding of statistics and frequently become involved in false extrapolations.
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>>134105588
What's this "intermediate hell thing"?
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What are どうにかなる and どうにかする? I keep seeing these phrases and I'm never exactly sure what they mean.
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>>134106223
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>>134106586
literally first result
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>>134106586
>>134106807
>forgot link
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+%E3%81%A9%E3%81%86%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8B%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B
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>I go see my Japanese professor during office hours
>we end up talking for over an hour
>her advice for learning Japanese is pretty much the same as Steve's, tells me to READ and LISTEN a lot, says there are no good textbooks for Japanese

I thought Japanese professors were supposed to be incompetent?
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>>134106915
She probably shitposts on /djt/
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>>134106915
It's luck of the draw, really.
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>>134106077
>>134106503
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>>134106915
>I thought Japanese professors were supposed to be incompetent?
If your professor studied linguistics, she most likely knows about Krashen and the input hypothesis. It's not rocket science.
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>>134107116
Kauffman, not Krashen.
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>>134106929
DJT in a nutshell.
>you should do stuff I myself don't do
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>>134107153
Krashen, not Kauffman
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>>134107153
>The input hypothesis, also known as the monitor model, is a group of five hypotheses of second-language acquisition developed by the linguist Stephen Krashen in the 1970s and 1980s.
>The hypotheses put primary importance on the comprehensible input (CI) that language learners are exposed to. Understanding spoken and written language input is seen as the only mechanism that results in the increase of underlying linguistic competence, and language output is not seen as having any effect on learners' ability. Furthermore, Krashen claimed that linguistic competence is only advanced when language is subconsciously acquired, and that conscious learning cannot be used as a source of spontaneous language production. Finally, learning is seen to be heavily dependent on the mood of the learner, with learning being impaired if the learner is under stress or does not want to learn the language.
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>>134107333
>>134107322
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>>134105558
Fuck you. I'm just never going to hover over a spoiler tag again.
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>>134108091
Hey be glad he didnt spoil the BIG one
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I want Japan to die.
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>>134108179
Don't worry. Some big ass volcano is due to blow a good chunk up of the island within our lifetimes.
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>>134108163
Now I've had 2 routes spoiled. It is just depressing. I will believe you that there is something even bigger and I will look forward to it.

The majority of spoiler tags aren't spoilers, so I tend to hover over all of them. I guess I need to break the habit.
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>>134108274
Snape kills Dumbledore

No spoilers here :^)
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>>134108368
I didn't hover over that. I'm going to have to hide the post because it is so tempting.
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>>134106223

Different genres use different vocabulary. For example, you're not going to see 魔道士 very often outside of fantasy works, so if the only works that you've read up until now are moege, you might have to look that up. On top of this, different authors favor different vocabulary, even within the same genre.

Intermediate Hell is the grind between moege level and hitting a point where you basically never start reading a new work intended for the general Japanese public and find yourself bombarded by sentences that contain words that you don't know.
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>>134108274
The big one is probably the other route you're thinking of.
My strategy with spoilers is just to not care too much. I tend to find that when it comes to VNs, spoilers don't really impact the experience much, because so little of the time is actually spent progressing the plot forward. Like 1/2 of a moege is by default a common route where nothing happens and then 3/4 of a route is sex and ichaicha so the 1/8 of the game susceptible to spoilers doesn't really impact the other 7/8.
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けれどもミカンを大量に購入しても、食べきれなくて余らせてしまう人もいるのではないだろうか?

the essence of this is "there arent people who have leftover mikans, right?" right?
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>>134108091
Really sorry about that, although I love how it was actually correct first try. I normally wouldn't spoil such a masterpiece as I know how much I hate spoilers, but I couldn't resist the temptation after your post.

Don't worry. There are many other important, interesting and surprising things to come that haven't been spoiled yet. You'll still enjoy it immensely, although not quite as much as if I hadn't spoiled it.
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>>134088085
I learnt Japanese to read this shit
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>>134108778
>tfw read what I learned Japanese for
>tfw it was fucking incredible beyond what I had even dreamed
pure satisfaction
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>>134108671
Oh, I'm not the original guy. I tell everyone I'm playing Flyable Heart, since I've been reading it for 11 months.

>>134108459
Unfortunately for me, that 1/8 is the part I'm most interested in. I'm still enjoying it despite the spoilers, but most of the fun is trying to figure out what is going on.
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>>134108808
What was it tho

The only thing I've read that I actually wanted to read is NNB (and a fuckton of hmanga and doujins)
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>>134108854
Ehh? Playing a moege with interest in the story and setting? You're pretty much doomed from the start, I can't imagine how much the common route blue balled you.
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>>134108855
+Every bishop title (namely Mesu Kyoushi 3)
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>>134108932
Nice
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I also have discovered that fan translations suck really badly; I used to wonder why I didn't like VNs so much, and the answer was because fan TLs are dry as hell, the original text is so much better. And so, every VN I ever read is a pleasant surprise.
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>>134108878
Well, the common route took like 9 months. It wasn't very interesting, but I forced myself to read a few minutes every day. The routes are much better, although I am still moving through them too slowly.
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>>134103567
https://youtu.be/nqJ5wU4FamA

Here we go again boys
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「わからないほうが幸せだと思います」
;_;
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>>134108450

Although if you ask me, it should be called "Advanced Hell". By CEFR standards, the JLPT N1 is a C1-level test, indicating fluent comprehension. After that, you have post-fluency. "Intermediate Hell" is basically the grind from fluent comprehension to native-level comprehension.

Think about what it means to be intermediate. If you were a cook, you'd be well above your average faggot who's idea of a good meal is throwing a steak on the grill for three minutes and calling it done, but you're still not really at a point where you'd want to be left alone in the restaurant kitchen. If you were a programmer, you'd know the most major concepts (classes, pointers, the stack and the heap, macros, etc.) and the basic syntax of a language, but you'd still have a lot more to learn before you could really use it in a practical manner that's acceptable by today's standards, and even more to learn before you could do it well and without looking anything up.

In terms of Japanese, I (and CEFR) would place intermediate at N3-N2. At that level, you're not completely stumped by Japanese that isn't artificial shit specifically made for learners, so you're not a raw beginner, but if you were in a position where you had to make close Japanese friends or cooperate with a Japanese person on some issue (every day shit), the language barrier might cause a problem. You're far above your average jutsu-spouting Narutard who speaks broken Japanese with his buddies and thinks that he's doing well, but you can't really be called advanced. You're intermediate.
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>>134109041
I think it's partly because English has a lot of nuances and very very subtle differences to determine the mood or way a character talks. Whereas in Japanese it's super obvious and they literally shove it in your face, at least in anime and VNs anyway
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>>134109766
>I think it's partly because English has a lot of nuances and very very subtle differences to determine the mood or way a character talks.
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>>134109819
や、やばいっすね!!曲規制キツイッすよね(/ー ̄;)

Try translating this to english while keeping all of the original meaning.
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>>134108854
>I'm not the original guy.
Damn. Well, it's your own fault for taking so long to read it. I withdraw my apology. Although it is going to be fun posting in spoiler tags from now on.
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So i began working my dick off the last few months and haven't studied much.

Anki is at over 800+ cards and I feel like I've forgotten more in the last 4 months than I've learned in the last year.

How do I regain my stride? Shit fucking sucks and I hate knowing I wasted so much time.
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IF
>>134109915
THEN
>>134084305
ELSE
>>134104951
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Those who do listening practice, how long do you do it everyday?
Just started making it a habit recently and cant seem to get around the plateau of understanding <30%
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>>134109978
Goodbye cruel world of learning moon.
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>>134109915
Open up Anki and start doing reviews.

This is why you never skip a day.
It's a fundamental rule of committing yourself to something; it applies to music, drawing, learning a language, etc. Don't break the chain.
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>>134109985
6+ hours of anime
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>>134109737
1 - Advanced in DJT lingo often refers to actually advanced topics like hyper-specific obscure jargon, manhyougana, classical japanese, culture, etc; so calling oneself in "advanced" hell while struggling to read a novel aimed at 18 year olds is a bit gratuitous.
2 - Intermediate hell begins, in my opinion, before one actually has fluent comprehension, it's the point where you understand stuff in tae kim, but stuff like "そんな道ではなくなろうとしている道", "どうして~できようか" throws you off; in other words, being familiar with common grammar, having (frequently) hazy understandings of sentences, and finally being completely oblivious to more advanced/unintuitive structures (できようか + the infamous 一人でも多く).

In short intermediate hell is far more of a problem for intermediates, not advanced people.
>>134109859
FUCKIN HELL da damn codger are up me in da ASS again blood and ashes matey! o'll hafta miss da bahnfiah, m'bad!
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>>134096498
>anything being inferior to the Japanese
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>>134109915
You shouldn't have ever stopped doing your reps. Set new cards to 0 if you really don't have time and the total daily rep count will start dropping rapidly once you've burnt through your young cards.
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>>134110053
Learning moon isn't a cruel world. You were just lazy and this is the result. If you did your work it'd be a smooth ride.
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>>134110155
>In short intermediate hell is far more of a problem for intermediates, not advanced people.
sheeeit thats some deep insight
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>tfw you've got 5 exams coming up the week right after the JLPT
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>>134110229

It's been at 0 since September.

>>134110238

I work 70+ hours a week. Fuck you, you're lazy.

I need some encouragement, not bashing from basement dwellers that've never had a job.
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>>134110366
Well he said
>Although if you ask me, it should be called "Advanced Hell".
so if you keep that in mind the statement makes sense.
>>134110398
What kind of encouragement do you want? If you do reps and study daily you'll learn, if you don't you won't. As far as I can tell the moment you stopped doing reps is the moment you decided that you'd rather not learn Japanese. Am I wrong?
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>>134110398
There are 168 hours in a week
Fuck you dumb nigger
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>>134110398
just do 10 new cards a day or something. It will be slow as hell but at least you will be getting somewhere.
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>>134110398
>It's been at 0 since September.
But you weren't doing your reps. Doing it in little chunks would've got you through it just fine if you hadn't lacked the mental fortitude.
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I certainly don't have the mental fortitude to work 70+ hours a week, I think. That's certainly harder than 20 minutes of reps a day.
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I've been using Anki but I've got a question, is there a way to make it actually test you? What I mean is it currently goes like this.
Shows new word > you 'think' > press show answer > you either fucked up or not > easy hard yada yada.

Not saying it's bad, I've had good results, but there's an android app called Anki Aniki (sadly doesn't support deck sync) that shows you the kanji and then there's a test in the form of a quiz with multiple options.

Also, anyone else using Kotobachan? It's great to use when you don't have much time to grind vocab, personally use it when commuting to work/uni.
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>>134110447

My mommy doesn't wash my laundry and cook my meals, teenager.

>>134110472

I've been! Anyhow, it's not really a matter of how I got here. It's a matter of how do I get out?

Work load is lessening now that the idiots who shop on Black Friday are broke, so it's time for anime and studying.

The grind is real.
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>>134110543
Multiple options fucks you up because it leads to you seeing the answer and remembering it there. It has no advantages over the standard format of thinking before showing the answer.
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Ge ne cunnon Cdgaponisc leornian!
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>>134110560
Wait. When you said
>Anki is at over 800+ cards
Did you mean you had 800 backed up reviews or you had done 800 new cards?
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>>134110543
You either know it or you dont. Stop being a bitch.
>shows you the kanji and then there's a test in the form of a quiz with multiple options
That's a horrible fucking idea. Being able to select something out of a list does not mean that you remembered it.
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>>134110560
>My mommy doesn't wash my laundry and cook my meals, teenager.
It takes you 100 hours every week to do laundry?
How about you stop being a faggot and quit acting like you're the only one on the whole of 4chan to be over 18 and have responsibilities?
It doesn't make you seem mature, it's actually doing the exact opposite.
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>>134110633

First one then the other.
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>>134110560
>hi guys im here to make excuses about my failings
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>>134110560
Why don't you stop wasting time on 4chan, fuck off and go do your laundry if your life is so busy you can't dedicate 1 hour a day to look at some jap scribbles.
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https://twitter.com/nagato1002/status/670499532912771073
>有難うございました。
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>>134110642
>>134110661
>>134110666
>>134110720

Although you're all out of touch with reality, you're right. If I really wanted it, I'd find a way.

Thanks faggots. Stay neckbearded, though. I'm glad I'm not as retarded as you guys.
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>>134110773
Yes you're very adult and mature and that's why you can't do anki, you can leave now.
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Time for a challenge.

This text is considered N2 level.

I have reviewed it and there are no obscure words (aside from the name that's in katakana) so you have no excuse for using the dictionary.

I can post an N1 as well too if you
want.
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>>134110773
Enjoy being exploited for the benefit of the rich who will always see you as nothing but mere scum.
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I tried configuring rikai -> Anki import, but pressing R does nothing at all. I configured it according to their guide, and it should work, but no indication of what's wrong is given. What do
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>>134110826
>I have reviewed it and there are no obscure words
>猛毒吹天蛙
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>>134110826
N1 and N2 読解 texts feel so similar in difficulty. Are N1 texts supposed to be harder simply because of longer texts being given with the same time constraint?
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>>134110964
>three common words next to each other
>katakana right next to it
>you literally cut off the quote half way where I point that out
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>>134110964
Also it's 吹矢, not 吹天.
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>>134110826
I was able to read this, post N1. Also, what kind of questions would be asked about it in a test?
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>>134111007
Harder vocabulary, harder to understand concepts, etc. Here is N1.

Lot's of people like to say how easy N1 is because they think N1 means adding 10,000 words to Anki or something. It's a little more difficult than that, and also requires listening comprehension at a similar level.
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>>134111015
I was just making a joke. The rest of it is pretty easy like you said. Though, for me 熱帯雨林 wasn't a common word (luckily kanji made it easy to read).
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>>134111164
>Lot's of people like to say how easy N1 is because they think N1 means adding 10,000 words to Anki or something.
I have heard no such sentiments here a single time in my entire life.
The closest thing to N1 is easy sentiment is, "people who read a lot of VNs for awhile pass N1 without much trouble".
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>>134110826
>Could understand about 80% of this
10 months
Feeling myself pretty hard now even though im still ass
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>>134111221
What face did you make when you saw >>134111164
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>>134111164
>>134111090 here, was not able to read this. I can conclude from this I am at a N2 level in reading, right? Do you have listening examples as well?
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>>134110826
Only read the first part and apart from having to guess kanji readings from context, didn't have trouble with it

Fuck kanji
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>>134111300
I do not. I would imagine it's something like:
N3 - Slice of life anime
N2 - Plot anime
N1 - News
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>>134111355
>tfw learned 英雄譚, 頽れる, 驟雨, and 鏖 before 華南, 過程, 香港, and 改革 (wow what a common word).

Also, 福建省? Do they expect you to know the names of Chinese provinces? Either way,
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>>134110952
Please help.

>>134111484
I got 改革 very early in the optimized core 2k/6k deck.
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>>134111293
Looked at it and scrolled away
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