Since this promotional image not only features similar costuming to, but a very iconic pose from, I can only assume the next Madoka Magica piece will be based off the story of Swan Lake.
A ballet (the concept short was ballet themed) about a princess (Madokami) turned into a swan (Madoka) by an evil sorcerer (Akuma Homura). I'm not sure if it has anything to do with "true love" but it seems likely to me than Sayaka would be playing the character of Siegfried after her vow to defeat Homura at the end of Rebellion
> Did i miss something?
They teased a new concept short yesterday at the MadoGatari event. No leaks yet, only that image and some descriptions from people who saw it. There was ballet and some tension between Homura and Madoka.
>I'm not sure if it has anything to do with "true love" but it seems likely to me than Sayaka would be playing the character of Siegfried after her vow to defeat Homura at the end of Rebellion
imagine if it was true love though like after all that hype in the end it was MadoSaya that became canon and not MadoHomu or KyouSaya
Here's a proof that I actually went there, in case >pic or it didn't happened.
I just came back from MADOGATARI. The concept movie was amazing. Unfortunately, visitors are allowed to enter the theatre only once (the event in one-way course, you're not allowed to return to the previous room, and only 10-20 person are allowed to enter the theatre at once) and there're staffs in the room, so never think about taking photos let alone videos.
Anyway, the concept movie was around 4 minutes long; from my memory (which may be wrong)
- The concept movie starts with Madoka and Homura asking and answering "what is happiness?"
- The answer goes among the line of "Warm breakfast." "Family." "Someone calling my name." "Calling someone's name." (and handful few.)
- They concluded with "In the heaven, there is no such thing." "For god, there's no such thing." "That's why a lizard girl thought god is pitiful, and brought half of her to the world."
<This is where I cried like shit>
- The movie then show a huge statue falling from the sky.
- Someone 1 noted "There's a lot of cat here these days."
- Someone 2 noted "Looks like they're all dead cats."
- Someone 3 added "How do you tell apart dead cats?"
- Kyoko scene (said something, can't remember.)
- Sayaka read something in Witch Runes and mumbled "Why I can read these letters…?"
- Oktavia is shown after above scene, standing at the place where Madoka died after fighting Walpurgis (Ep. 10 TV)
- Hitomi talk about magic have to be kept secret otherwise it will lose its effect. (Completely unsure, but she talk something about magic.)
- Nagisa said "I feel a conspiracy!" while running.
- QB scene (can't remembered again.)
- Mami confronted with Homura and said something among the line of "You always hiding something from everyone."
- Homura "Are you going get in my way?"
- The movie concluded with showing the earth… with a witch covering 1/3 of it (Kriemhild?)
- Madoka "You don't have to hate anything anymore… I will help you."
- Madoka "Are you going to help me… fairy-san?"
>Madoka "Are you going to help me... fairy-san?"
>- In first minute, things happen just what we saw in Rebellion. Madoka and Homura talk together about something likes fairy-tales. The image is Madoka performing her ballet, and the Devil clapping her hands at the end of the show.
>- This cool-Homura don’t have the earing like what the Devil does. She’s like the normal cool-Homura we’ve known.
Don't fall for this shit again Madoka.
>- Madoka gets a new magical-girl costume. It’s cute, but exposes her flesh a bit much…
Reminder that Akemi Homura is a textbook psychopath.
Just cause it's ballet doesn't make it Black Swan you fucking weeaboos
Goddammit, and with that thing said about being a 'concept movie' its more than obvious we are never gonna see it ever just like that d23 kh3 trailer.
Whatever comes out of that (that is, if something comes off at all) its never gonna be as good.
Why the fuckin secrecy, how can a business be affected if a trailer is shown or not, if its something than the public is gonna see anyway?, its not like trailer was the main attraction of the exhibition, right?...
Shaft isn't full of homos like Square, I'm sure we'll get the trailer eventually
At the end of Swan Lake, Odette(Madoka) and Siegfried (Sayaka?) drown themselves and ascend to heaven (the law of cycles) and the other swans (mahou shoujo???) kill the sorcerer (homura)
To be fair, Monogatari also got a newly-written short story by Nisio and animation "adaption" of it screened in the event (they project it on a 2 meters tall book-shaped object, with right "page" being the short story text and left "page" being the animation).
I want to believe, but when i hear the word 'concept movie' im thinking 'series/movie pilot' and those things regularly are always super private unless leaked.
which makes things quite confusing being this something shown at a public event and something apparently made with a lot of effort, hope your right though.
It is widely believed in Japanese twitter madoka community that the pose in the picture is from "Dying Swan".
You can see the exact same pose in this short ballet piece.
>Implying Sayaka was ever more than a secondary character
Homura is Siegfried and always has been. She declared her love for the Black Swan (amnesiac Madoka) at the end of Rebellion and fucked everything up as a result of Rothbart's (Kyubey's) plan. IMO Sayaka is one of the Swan Maidens trying to comfort and protect her. I dont know where this kill Homu obsession is coming from.
Siegfried has to beg for forgiveness after betraying the White Swan. After he is forgiven,they commit suicide and go to heaven together.
- Madoka "You don't have to hate anything anymore… I will help you."
- Madoka "Are you going to help me… fairy-san?"
Considering Homura and Madoka are standing back to back, could that be anything but them deciding to become joint concepts? Why does she say fairy? Because Madoka sees her as a fairy instead of a devil.
>Since this promotional image not only features similar costuming to, but a very iconic pose from, I can only assume the next Madoka Magica piece will be based off the story of Swan Lake.
Yeah, SHAFT would never just throw in random symbolism.
>Madoka gets a new magical-girl costume. It’s cute, but exposes her flesh a bit much…
>Siegfried arrives at a lake, where Siegfried spots a beautiful swan wearing a crown. But before he can shoot it, the swan transforms into the most beautiful girl he has ever seen: Princess Odette, the Queen of the Swans.
>Struck by her beauty, Siegfried falls in love with her at once. She tells him her story, explaining that she is under a spell of the evil sorcerer Von Rothbart.
>It is at this point in the ballet that Siegfried's carefree spirit is overcome by a sudden growth to manhood out of his love for Odette and from that point, it becomes his goal to save and marry her.
>He invites her to attend a Ball at his castle and promises to choose her as his bride, but everything takes a turn for the worst.
Our boy Siggy sounds like our girl Homura
That doesn't make any sense, Madoka was never in trouble against Kyubey, at all. If anything, it's the opposite, it was Homura's obsession with Madoka that entrapped Madoka within her curse.
But Kyubey is in the game with Madoka's blessing. Madoka acknowledges that it was Kyubey's interference and the sacrifices of the magical girls that advances the human race. The whole ineffective but still net-positive Wraith system is proof of that.
Kyubey creates Magical girls/turns girls into swans, cursing them with a destiny if despair and desth.
Kyubey intends to capture Madoka during Rebellion.
Kyubey isnt out of the game yet and his intention has always been to capture Madoka's soul gem energy.
She give him her blessing up until the end of Rebellion. There's that whole Kyubey massacre near the end. And Im pretty sure they acknowledge him as a necessary evil, not as a cool bro who wants to save the universe.
Kyubey can only create magical girls with Madoka's unseen blessing. Remember, in the new system, the girls won't fall into despair upon death and fosters cooperation between the various magical girls. In exchange for ridding the world of the manifestations of despair, they also get a wish.
And Kyubey has been proven to be wholely ineffective against Madoka in Rebellion. Madoka outsmarted Kyubey in his own house, in his own game, using his own rules. Kyubey failed horribly against Madoka with his one and only chance. If it wasn't for Homura's actions afterward, Kyubey couldn't have perceived, much less affect, Madoka anymore.
Homura did it because the "Black Swan", a swan identical to the White Swan, (Madoka without her memories) convinced her that she hated being a God. She declared her love for the wrong swan, thus cementing her imprisonment.
She just wants her waifu to be happy, guys
Is that so bad?
I'm also well aware Im just fan wanking until we actually see anything. I just feel the Sayaka=Siegfried thing is a stretch. You'd basically be getting a shonen justice prevails plot.
Madoka and Homura are the driving forces of the plot and I cant see this boiling down to "Secondary character strikes down evil lesbian witch."
Quoting Madoka from Rebellion:
"Whatever happens to you, good or bad, you're still you. And I would never abandon you."
The Sayaka vs Homura fighting will be secondary to the Madoka and Homura reconciliation.
>Kyubey has been proven to be wholly ineffective against Madoka
You know, except for the part where he designed a barrier that can keep out her influence completely.
Did you forget that Incubators can circumvent physics (i.e. natural laws, i.e. god) completely?
You're not giving Kyubey enough credit for what he's really capable of.
Without Homura's actions, eventually he would have been able to circumvent the new rules that Madoka created.
Anon, did you not pay attention to the movie? He wanted to observe Madoka using her godlike powers/knowledge. She did none of that. In fact, she and the rest of her magical girls used the same power that was given to them. She beat them at their own game, own rules, own house. Kyubey had only one chance to observe her and failed in such a completely and utterly catastrophic way. He didn't achieve anything. You have to realize, Madoka's greatest power isn't her god-like powers but her wisdom. She alone was able to come up with a wish that completely changed the nature of the universe without screwing up. Kyubey just simply couldn't win against her. Ever.
Did you miss the part where the only hole in his plot was his assumption that Homura would have went along with his scheme? He assumed Homura wanted to meet Madoka. He never thought Homura had a fanatical devotion to protrcting Madoka and was more than willing to die in order to keep that promise she made to her.
>only hole in his plot was that Homura would have went along with his scheme
There was at least one more where Kyubey paid too much attention to a powerless Madoka while ignoring Sayaka and Nagisa.
Kyubey is an idiot. Since there are so many clones, he should have kept a close watch on everyone.
At this point, Homura has convinced herself that Madoka doesn't want to be a God. She doesn't want Madoka to be happy, she wants to be happy.
The moment Madokas memories come back, and they will, the confrontation will be intense.
Actual leak from the new movie
>Mami thinks that Nagisa's playing make-believe for 1/2 of the movie
>Mami! Me and Sayaka need to stop the devil before it's too late!
>Alright, alright. Just let me finish packing your lunch sweetie.
>- The concept movie starts with Madoka and Homura asking and answering "what is happiness?"
Glad I read this and didn't waste my time.
(honestly I would have dropped it the second I heard that line anyway)
Happiness is a very serious business though.
We need more Clara Dolls.
I want to see them get up to shenanigans.
I spy a Gretchen in this thread...
I don't know about best witch, but Charlotte is my favourite.
It wouldn't be the first time Urobuchi referenced a ballet but it won't play the way people expect it to.
I found Oktavia to be frustrating, until Sayaka took control in Rebellion.
The swan lake theory makes sense with Homucifer's design if she played Odile... With kyubey as Von Rothman, it could be very interesting
No matter how many times I watch it
On a serious note; does it represent Madoka's sense of confidence as an adult? i.e. how she sees herself and gains inspiration.
Why is Homura so gay? if she wasn't such a clingy carpet-muncher none of the major events in the series would have happened.
Homura was rescued from death, then shown support and love by Madoka, only to have her saviour tragically taken away from her.
What does it matter if she's gay? Gay for Madoka, sure, but why even band the term around? Love has many forms and reasons for existing.
Princess Tutu did it first and Princess Tutu did it better.
No other meguka is better for sexualizing
We just had a Madolewd thread, we don't need another.
Have one anyways.
Have you given your love to Megucas today yet?
They need our love to defeat all the evil in the world.
your warm sticky
She may say she doesn't want or need or even deserve happiness but goddamn I her to have a happy ending. She deserves it after all she's been through. Hasn't she suffered enough
Urobutcher won't let her find happiness.
I dont like making the complaint that SHAFT is milking it, but Im convinced Homura will end up uniting with Madoka as a new concept. If that's Madoka calling Homura "fairy-san" (Madoka loving Homura enough not to view her as a demon) as some have suggest (Homura and Madoka standing back to back). The lines basically come down to "You're not alone anymore, I'll be here for you. Will you here for me?" There's also a chance that the Madoka in the concept film is Kriemhild and Homura is being tricked (stupid twist that belittles her choice in Rebellion), but it will still end with Homura and Madoka uniting as one non-physical entity to defeat Kriemhild or the new witch that's destroying the world.
Considering the whole Stando use of witches now, it's possible that Devil Homura and the new witch can become seperate entities.
My problem with it is that is its such a lazy, roundabout way to end things and only adds to the story by making it confirmed yuri and giving the meguca's stand powers.
I'll still watch the shit out of it.
I just wish Madoka would somehow get back her entity status to BTFO Homura and show her how her choices were retarded. Whether Homura will accept it or not, I leave that up to them to decide but if that doesn't happen and Madoka just keeps going "it's ok you didn't do anything wrong" even after Homura denied Madoka her wish even after it was made, I'm gonna be seriously pissed off. I'll still watch it obviously, but I don't want Madoka to keep sucking up to someone who ruined everything she wished for because of being selfish.
I think she'll get an ending that will make her happy. For all the shit talked and memes out there, Madoka really isnt that dark or edgy of a show. Madoka is a lot more hoepful then it is dark. Characters dont stay dead and we've been shown if you dont like the way things are, just turn back time/rewrite the universe. Theyve rewritten the universe twice, whats stopping them from doing it a 3rd time?
Probably not, not in that way.
>That doesnt mean they cant fucking reconcile.
I'm ok with that but only if Madoka shows Homura that what she did is wrong, and she goes "Oh I understand now. Sorry Madoka" or something, even if it's just a frame of sad Homura. If it's just Madoka saying "It's ok you fucked it all up and denied me everything but we're still friends!" and then they're together again that's just shit.
Who needs Madoka if Shaft is doing a better magical girls show now?
>I decide what is canon!
>In a future not too distant from ours, Nanagoo City is a beautiful city in Japan surrounded by mountains and ocean-sides. The sensitive, adolescent girls who live there are each opening up doors to their own, unique possibilities. No one wants to forget the path they take to adulthood.
If I recall, Shinbo says they regularly to chat with each other, but it looks like nothing has stuck. Gen also talked about having ideas back in November 2014, mainly focusing on the post-Rebellion world. I think they know they wrote themselves in a weird corner.
Correction, Homura would never let herself find happiness. Everything that would allow her to find happiness is in her hands. All she has to do is just let go. But she can't because that's the type of person she is.
Happiness was stolen from her time and time again.
Anon, fairy-san is pretty much Kyubey. She needs to make another contract to break free from Homura's entrapment. As cliche as it sounds, I'm sure Kyubey will probably gain some sort of empathy/emotion from this and they probably end up working together to take down Homura.
More like Homura needs to just accept the fact that Madoka loves everyone equally and not just her. Madoka will never give up saving others just for her sake. Madoka will always choose self-sacrifice if it means saving everyone. Homura has to learn that unbelievable cliched line 'if you love someone, let them go'.
>More like Homura needs to just accept the fact that Madoka loves everyone equally and not just her. Madoka will never give up saving others just for her sake.
I don't think Homu need or expects Madokas love. All she needs is Madoka to be happy. She doesn't care about herself and she doesn't care what Madoka thinks of her
do you have the rest of these somewhere?
>All she needs is Madoka to be happy. She doesn't care about herself and she doesn't care what Madoka thinks of her
>All she needs is Madoka to be happy
>She doesn't care about herself
>goes out of her way to deny Madoka her wish after she said she was happy just because it didn't fit Homura's idea of being happy and she wanted to stalk her through every single moment of her life and betrays her
>getting hyped over nothing
I know that they will make something madoka related or they will have to clean trash in near future. But I still can laugh at you for few more years until you get a proper announcement.
There's a webm in this thread.
Incoming best girls team up to kill the Kyubey-controlled law of cycles, Gretchen.
>after she said she was happy
She did? In the field Madoka said that it would hurt her too much to leave her friends and family.
From that Homu got his idea that she is not really happy. Wrong or not Homura did what she did for Madoka. Not so she could stalk her.
She did tell Homura that she was happy the way things were after her wish, because that's what she really wanted.
Then Homura stole that from her because it didn't fit her idea of "being happy", and as of the end of Rebellion she's just stalking her.
>all this time and the post linking to dumblr remains unadressed
Is it any wonder about the concentration of morons itt spouting how Homura did wrong and 'has' to apologize to Madoka, and just now tried to call for stupid 'kek' fanfiction? I think not.
>Madoka said that it would hurt her too much to leave her friends and family
She made her wish because she thought it was cruel for every magical girl to be treated like sentient cattle and for their existence to end in suffering. She does not remember that in Rebellion because she mind-wiped herself, so she would not understand why she would leave her friends and family.
>She did tell Homura that she was happy the way things were after her wish
Did she? I can't remember.
Anyway Homura did what she thought was best for Madoka. She did it for her, not for herself.
She did what SHE wanted, not what was best for Madoka. She wasn't happy with Madoka's definition of being happy so she reset the timeline and took her choices away from her so it would fit her definition of being happy. That's completely selfish.
Except in the ending, when Madoka was starting to remember and wants to return, Homura basically mind-controlled her and forced her to remain mortal. Madoka didn't want this, Homura mind-raped her into thinking she did.
A lot of people don't seem to realize one aspect of the symbolism.
The movie had strong theater motives throughout the movie, as you probably remember.
At the end, where Homura talks with Sayaka and calls herself a demon, her dolls, which are
aspects of herself, throw tomatoes at her.
This means that her devil persona is a bad performance, worthy of fruit being thrown, and that she herself doesn't believe her lies.
Punished "Venom" Homura
Making Homura lose will be too lame.
Making Homura protagonist again is too lame.
Dualism ending is too obvious and lame.
Only good solution: making new MC, Homura as antagonist but don't focus on her too much.
But it's too hard, so they actually won't do anything and will just bait the fanbase with such small things like this concept movie.
Forcing someone you believe to be working themselves to death because of their morality to quit is hardly intrinsically selfish. This kind of black and white thinking has no place here.
It all depends on the situations obviously, but when not only Madoka but also Godoka said she was fine and that's what she wanted, Homura was being selfish out of her desire to help. And what makes it selfish is how she neglects Madoka's response to it, when she tries to stop Homura and take her with her if being away from her was so sad. She just throws that out the window and flips everything on its back because it wasn't how she wanted it.
That's selfish as hell, anon.
>This means that her devil persona is a bad performance, worthy of fruit being thrown, and that she herself doesn't believe her lies.
That's actually an interesting interpretation, the idea of Homura striving to fall into her new villain role and resenting herself for it.
It could be said to parallel her dream of the Clara Dolls throwing tomatoes at the symbol of Madoka as well. Whether it represented her resentment over Madoka's wish, people forgetting her, or the idea of tainting the memory of Madoka is up for debate.
Anon, you're comparing someone who's working themselves to death to someone that willingly gave up her mortal life to unfuck the universe. Considering throughout the tv series, we see Madoka constantly asking about her place in the world because Homura stole that from her, this is quite possibly the best of all possible choices she could have made in her life.
Homura worst bitch, she is literally Anthy Himemiya 2.0 stabbing Utena 2.0 Madoka in the back, she needs an Akio 2.0 to put her in her place.
>but when not only Madoka but also Godoka said she was fine and that's what she wanted, Homura was being selfish out of her desire to help
How is this any different from the "working yourself to death" scenario? The whole point is that what the person wants to do because of their predilection for noble self-sacrifice isn't necessarily what's actually good for them, and that's what Homura believes her interaction with amnesiac Madoka showed her.
They threw tomatoes at each other and Homura got one in crossfire, but she completely ignored it. I thought it was discussed to death already.
Dolls aren't under her complete control, they aren't even her witch minions. There was a doll Homura used to play. Clara dolls are different versions of this doll and they are more like her magical "summons" due her karma overflow. Latest Inucurry book explained that.
You can shitpost all you want but posting tumblr art is crossing a line.
Because unless that person who worked themselves to death is able to live on after she had died and able to see how much better off the people she had care for after her death, then it's not an apt comparison. Madoka first-hand knows her sacrifice saved countless magical girl's lives. She knows her sacrifice also made the entire universe, a much kinder place, which in turn, made her happy. For a savior-like person like Madoka, I can't imagine anything making her happier than unfucking the universe.
Filthy backstabber Akuma demiurge.
>How is this any different from the "working yourself to death" scenario?
LITERALLY God said that wasn't the case at all right at the end of the series. If it was just Madoka saying that when she made her wish you could argue she didn't comprehend exactly what she was getting into, but that was after the wish when everything was done. Plus she wasn't working herself to death as QB explained the grief seed for her wouldn't be generated so she wouldn't suffer from it.
Homura did what she did simply because she wanted Madoka to be happy in HER way, while she can look over everything in her life. That's the difference from having good intentions to being a selfish prick that ruined everything and stole the life and choices from someone she considered a friend.
She wasn't saving anyone, and if she had accepted Madoka's request to be with her at the end of Rebellion she would see that what she wanted to do was wrong as she was just fine. She's just a megalomaniacal creep, after she became Homulucifer she achieved her dream of controlling Madoka to live how she wants her to live, which is an incredibly dickish thing to do.
That's better, posting dumb tumblr words are fine because people can be stupid, but posting dumb tumblr art can cause brain cancer.
Words can't kill
Never ever trust Purple. Filthy traitor witch demiurge.
The Homu's soul gem is purple, NEVER TRUST THE PURPLE.
Because at the ending of Rebellion, Madoka outright said her life should be something more than this. She WANTED to return to being LoC but Homura refused and forced her to stay. She outright refused Madoka's idea of happiness and replaced it with her own.
My point is that she's wrong and selfish in disbelieving what someone who knows everything knows. It's really not that hard to see that while she had good intentions in the series, in Rebellion she throws that out the window and straight up betrays Madoka in the most yandere manner possible. She invalidated everything Madoka wanted and lived for just because she didn't like it.
How can you call someone like that a friend or even a good person? Homura acted 100% out of selfishness because she wanted to control Madoka to enforce her twisted idea of happiness.
What >>134096896 and that other anon said is also true.
So it's selfish then, when Homura arbitrarily decides that what Madoka wants no longer matters and all that matters is what Homura decides what's best for her. It's no different than locking up a bird inside a cage at this point. And you can't even say maybe Madoka doesn't know what's best when Madoka became a goddess and knows exactly this is what she wants.
This is actually the plot.
A magical girl falls in love with another magical girl.
Unable to confess, she is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, she immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on her as well.
But, the next day, when she recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at her with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, she finds out that the girl she called is not the same girl she fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of YURI.
But Madoka told her she did and even invited her to show that she was in fact happy, during the time when she was Godoka and knew everything. After that point, continuing what Homura did was completely selfish and out of her desire to control Madoka and force her to be "happy", even though Homura's definition of happy isn't the same as Madoka's.
Again: this is no different from forcing someone you believe to be destroying themself through self-sacrifice to stop. Maybe you're wrong or maybe you're not, but either way the concept of selfishness goes beyond your simplistic black and white reading of it.
I'm not sure what about being a goddess implies perfect self-knowledge or perfect truthfulness.
Homura thinks only of others but acts against others' wills. Also, it's worth noting she does know what a few people want. Kyouko is an obvious example of this, Homura gave her happiness she never had but always wanted.
When she no longer considers the needs/wants/desires of another person, especially when it makes them happy, you can't really call it selfless either. She's denying them their freedom and happiness because she reject their idea of what happiness is.
Sorry I took so long to reply to your shitposting, I had to draw a reaction image just for this occasion.
>- The concept movie starts with Madoka and Homura asking and answering "what is happiness?"
>- The answer goes among the line of "Warm breakfast." "Family." "Someone calling my name." "Calling someone's name." (and handful few.)
>- They concluded with "In the heaven, there is no such thing." "For god, there's no such thing." "That's why a lizard girl thought god is pitiful, and brought half of her to the world."
Question, why are you so retarded?
First off, Madoka was always 100% honest about how she felt about it, and it was even one of the characteristics that Homura liked about her. So when she says "I'm happy with this, come see it for yourself" and Homura says "No you're not, let me show you what happy is", it's a dick move and as selfish as locking a bird in a cage just because you want to look at it and you believe it's better for it than letting it be free and possibly hitting a tree.
My point is that Homura is WRONG and was wrong when she made the decision, there's nothing to discuss there. Whether you interpret taking away someone's freedom and joy and replacing it with your definition of it fits your description of "selfishness" or not isn't the case. The case is that she was wrong, she was a dick, and Homulucifer is a megalomaniac.
>Megalomania is a psychopathological condition characterized by fantasies of power, relevance, omnipotence, and by inflated self-esteem.
Homura always wanting to be in charge of Madoka and stealing the God powers from her to enforce her own idea of happiness, even if it meant ignoring what Madoka really wanted and what made her happy.
Because when you know your sacrifice will save many other lives versus maybe it may or may not, it makes things much clearer. Her happiness came after her sacrifice, when she personally went to save each magical girl from despair and kept them within herself as an afterlife so they can get the happiness and peace denied from them in life. She also unfucked the universe and made it a kinder place. If all Homura saw is Madoka sacrificing her life, then you might have a point. But when Madoka herself says she was happy after her sacrifice and has the knowledge and smiles of countless magical girls to back up her claim, then would denying her sacrifice really be the right choice?
>- They concluded with "In the heaven, there is no such thing." "For god, there's no such thing." "That's why a lizard girl thought god is pitiful, and brought half of her to the world."
>this means it's an absolute fact
Anon, we only have a second-hand account of that 'trailer'. We really have no idea who said what and the context of it. If it's mortal Madoka saying it, then it's basically mind-wiped Madoka with no knowledge of her great sacrifice.
>moving the goalposts
You said Homura acted not thinking of anyone else, yet this disproves that statement entirely. How does Homura rewriting the world to be happy like her dream world and not shit like the real world not make sense to you people? It's not like she killed anyone
There were much closer canon interpreations:
Nutracker ballet: Homura is Clara, she a had a dream, after waking up she decided to go back to this dream again.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra: Homura became ubermensch because "god is dead".
Rebellion is a clone of both of this works. And the most imporant thing - Rebellion's ending fits perfectly for them.
If they made something new, it will be absolutely something new without toching Rebellion a lot.
I think it's probably best to summarize Homura's action as wholely human, and not either selfish or selfless. Because there's too much leeway on the definition and lack of information from Homura herself to truly claim one way or another. Although I do compare Homura's actions to that of Madoka when she gave Sayaka a choice instead of forcing one on her. I think it's the lack of choice from Homura is what's makes me feel it's more on the selfish side than anything else.
Tidied up the lines.
Not really, Madoka could have simply unmade Sayaka's wish if she asked but Kyousuke would have remained a cripple. Sayaka is just too much of a hero to choose otherwise, but still, she was given a choice.
>Madoka could have simply unmade Sayaka's wish if she asked
That has not been established, so we can't know that with certainty. We never got to see Madoka or Homura redo the universe more than once, now did we?
What did happen in the story was that Madoka first made the choice on basis of what she imagined Sayaka would want to happen, and only then did Sayaka comment on the results. That is, how she felt that her wish not being undone was worth it.
>What did happen in the story was that Madoka first made the choice on basis of what she imagined Sayaka would want to happen
Didn't the series state that their wishes after dying would be granted? So what they got was what they wanted and not what Madoka guessed, otherwise the other girls she didn't know would be stuck with random stuff Madoka found nice.
Homura is pure evil. And she is contractor now instead of incubators.
Madoka still likes her and calls her fairy-san. She want to be magical girl again.
All girls remember the truth. They are going to fgiht Akuma and free Madokami. They all die.
Madokami awakes and fights Akuma, but she realize she can't win. She tears her apart again and isolate her in more perfect dream world, where they can be together forever without any LOC threat
>new Madoka Movie
Moo bitch, it's time for the milking!
And in Homura/Madoka's case, Madoka choose otherwise, Homura refused said request. But let's be honest here, do you think Madoka is someone that would honestly lie about giving Sayaka a choice?
When was Sayaka given a choice? All Madoka said was "if I had saved you it would have undone your wish, pretty sure you wouldn't want that though" and Sayaka was like "yeah nah you're right."
Eh, Urobutcher actually likes Madoka as a character though. The fact that his original movie script basically had Madoka winning and taking Homura after to the afterlife like a cheesy happy ending meant he himself believed Madoka is someone who embodies the 'savior' quality that he was looking for when he drafted the original tv script. He simply wouldn't be able to corrupt her like that.
It's not even announced yet. People are just dumb and stupid who literally can't read and understand simple things. Shaft just baited with some 3 min animation and everyone like: "OH SEQUEL." Now they will buy more figmas/magazines and other merchandise, write moe doujin, while Shaft don't even know will they do more Madoka or not. I'm a jew, shaft is jew, aniplex a jew. Trust me, I know how they think.
What Madoka guessed was whether Sayaka prefered to live or to die through the LoC and have Kyousuke healed. In Sayaka's situation it had to one of these, and Madoka got to know that and make an informed decision due to her new Goddess powers.
What I do think is that you ought to rewatch the scene. Madoka even apologized to Sayaka due to the fact that if she brought Sayaka back to life, the wish she made would be invalidated and not exist, and thus she made the choice and made it so that violin boy's hand was healed at the cost of Sayaka following her to Valhalla. To which Sayaka replied that she was okay, since she felt the exchange was worth it.
Because Sayaka didn't reject it unlike in Rebellion where Madoka says she needs to go back and Homura said no. Madoka understood Sayaka but Homura did not understood Madoka. It's really pitiful in its own way.
What that anon is saying is that when Homura did that to Madoka, she didn't listen to what Madoka thought of it, while Madoka explained to Sayaka and asked if she was ok with it.
>original draft for TV had them stay together
>original ending for the movie had them staying together
>in both cases it was Shinbo who told him to delete that and make it bad end, to which he shrugged and said "ok"
>Homura didn't understand Madoka
Yes, because Madoka wanted to be an almighty god, right? It's totally fact Madoka was infinitely happier as a god than she was in Rebellion.
It's like whatever Homura does some idiot twists the reasons and jumps through hoops to claim it's wrong.
More like Urobutcher hit a roadblock since he couldn't come up with anything other than Madoka succeeding in saving everyone. I think he secretly places Madoka on an unbelievably high pedestal. It took someone else suggesting Homura be the one to be corrupted that he finally got through his writer's block.
>Yes, because Madoka wanted to be an almighty god, right?
>literally her wish
>even the author himself has that as being truth
>movie obviously depicts Homura as the villain for only thinking of herself and not what Madoka wanted, it's in the script and has been said in interviews
>"no ur rong"
It's like whatever Homura does some idiot twists the reasons and jumps through hoops to claim it's right.
Well, she didn't. She was constantly under the impression Madoka was someone that needed to be protected when it was clear it was Madoka that was constantly protecting everyone. Madoka was at her best when she's actively doing something to help like in the first timeline. Homura constantly deny Madoka any sort of information and removed any possible choices presented to her. However, when we finally see when Madoka is given full knowledge of the events and given an opportunity to decide, she was able to save everyone.
>she didn't listen to what Madoka thought of it
The thing is, once Homura went through with the choice she made for Madoka she no longer could receive any input from her. If there comes to be a situation when that is possible, it means that the very thing she made for Madoka fell or is about to fall apart. Very very different from the time when Madoka asks Sayaka if she agreed with the choices she had made - Madoka is able to ask and receive a relevant answer from her without jeopardizing what she just put in place.
Homura can't afford the luxury of Madoka's input not because she refuses it, but rather due to the fact that if the universe rewrite she made for her is in place and not falling apart (think of the cooldown hug), then Madoka is unable to make any sense about whatever Homura would be talking about.
Madoka didn't care if she became a god or not, retard. Rewatch the series, she says word for word she just wanted to end the cycle of despair at any cost. Holy shit you people are fucking retarded. Homura could make Santa real and you'd say she did it for nefarious purposes.
>Homura as the villain for only thinking of herself and not what Madoka wanted
If you keep repeating it like you have for 2 years it won't become true. You seem like the Homura never cared about anyone but Madoka shitposter. You probably are.
That doesn't mean she's happier sitting in some nondescript heaven than living life with her friends and family. Her character song, Rebellion, other peoples' accounts, Aoi Yuuki herself all show it's less black and white than idiots think.
We're did mami got the money to have such a nice department, furniture and all the expensive sweets and teas tho...like, she's in high school, she's an orphan, she doesn't seem to have a part time job or even other family members that give her money, it always bothers me when that happens in anime.
Yeah Anon, I really dont understand why people think the main focus of a follow up is going to be anything but Homura (who already knew she fucked up) reconciling with Madoka. I dont know why people here want Sayaka Magica going full shonen justice hero (as if that is a good idea at all) in order to kill the deuteragonist and major driving force of the plot.
I just rewatched Rebellion right now. I'll ignore the yuri undertones so I wont be accused of just wanting lesbian gods and just think of them as friends. Madoka does everything she can to save Homura. She knowingly enter Kyubey's trap. She brings tons of back up. She saves Homura from relieving her greatest failure. She let's her know she will never abandon her no matter what happens. And what do people want? For Madoka to immediately abandon her quest to save her very best friend. At the end of the movie, Madoka keeps the ribbons that the creepy girl gave her. In every timeline, Madoka is always drawn to Homura.
Madoka will forgive her because she loves Homura. That's who she is. Homura doesnt realize it because she doesnt believe she's lovable. Just look at her familiar profiles.
Homura giving an honest apology to Madoka would be acknowledgment that she did someting wrong. People say Homura cant do that, but that's exactly why it will be such a defining moment for the two.
Because Homura made the wrong choice, whatever she said to Madoka while she didn't understand anything didn't matter because all she wanted was for her plan to come true regardless of the input received. She didn't care about what happened she just wanted to force her idea of happiness on Madoka because she thought she wasn't really happy, after her plan was done she had no control over that and Homura to Homulucifer is basically the same jump from Griffith to Femto. The only difference being Homura wasn't a piece of shit from the beginning.
>Rewatch the series, she says word for word she just wanted to end the cycle of despair at any cost.
By becoming a god, at the cost of people not remembering her and only seeing her before going to Valhalla.
>You seem like the Homura never cared about anyone but Madoka shitposter. You probably are.
No idea who that is and I haven't posted in a Madoka thread in months, when I said I was going to get a Mami figure soon.
But she is with her friends. All the countless magical girls she had saved is within her as some sort of afterlife. The fact that she was able to bring smiles to these hopeless girls before they died made her incredibly happy. Does she miss her family? Yes. Is it enough to deter her from saving everyone else and bringing smiles to each and every single magical girl who now supports her in their afterlife? No. Madoka wants to save everyone. This is what she had chosen. The fact that she wants to return after being reunited with her family in Rebellion goes to show she choose her life as LoC over her life as Madoka.
I thought you were supposed to be legal to inherit money and shit. And how is that she isn't living on a fucking orphanage after her parents got kill and she was found... Seriously my autism is giving me a hard time with shit like that.
Nobody here was around that long.
To be fair, what Homura fucked up was herself. If she had disappeared and left her world behind, everything would appear fine. However, she's still around and literally demonizing herself, so conflict is inevitable. Madoka's shit if she lets each others' hard work end up with a less desired result.
>By becoming a god, at the cost of people not remembering her and only seeing her before going to Valhalla.
No, by removing witches with her own hands. Kyubey inquires if she wants to become a god, and Madoka says she doesn't care what happens to her if it means saving people. You're saying Madoka is power mad and is only happy when she has total control of everything.
>No idea who that is and I haven't posted in a Madoka thread in months, when I said I was going to get a Mami figure soon.
You hold opinions that fail to adequately describe the reality of what happened.
Madoka had no idea returning to earth was possible. Now she's there and will have to make a choice. Imagine that talk with Junko again, except this time as a mutual goodbye forever. Madoka now is in the position of finding a better way, not just going back to the old universe. Abstract heaven, one without physical desire where physical desire (love, food) remains, isn't an adequate substitute for a life of suffering when the alternative exists of having one's stolen happiness return to them. Kyouko is objectively better off because of Homura than before, the Wraith arc shows that very clearly
although I'm not sure it's canon.
I think that's kinda the problem with Madoka returning to Earth. It's really not possible. Remember, the condition of her ascension is that she is more powerful than her witchified self. She kinda erase herself through a paradox and became a concept known as LoC. I really can't see how reintroducing the catalyst that brought about the LoC won't cause bad shit to happen.
I agree with that. I think Homu wont truly realize how cancerously autistic she's being until she just unambiguously violates her self-proclaimed reason for existing by hurting Madoka.
Well, if the ballet animation of this short is nice, then that means that Shaft can make Meltlilith's battle style look very pretty and cool. If they ever make a Fate Extra CCC anime.
Finally managed to watch that concept movie.
Can't say much. It really was a concept movie. It's the matter before hype.
Huge Mami statue collides to the Earth
Foolish anons, a giant statue hardly matters, soon Mami's power will outgrown the universe itself.
Her drills are the drills that will pierce the Heavens!
SHAFT, DIFFERENT STORY ANIME WHEN!?
Pros: There's a land free of strife that grants salvation and companionship for those who previously had nothing to hope for.
Cons: Madoka's cooking is average at best. Mami's culinary skills alone are apparently worth a visit back to Earth.
She was always obsessed with Madoka, but this is just starting to get ridiculous. At no point did anyone say "Homura? Woobie destroyer of worlds? I can see that."
If she really turns out completely evil, then it really isnt a logical progression for no reason other than Rebellion Ill be pissed. It's just taking away what made her an cool anti-hero and flanderizing her into an edgy, psycho lesbian villian. Im not even a Homura did nothing wrong type. What's going on just sound ridiculous.
Man I didn't notice
What was that weird structure on the Earth though
I'd be alright with postponing a potential sequel for a while longer if it meant we got a solid adaption of the Different Story.
Originally felt that Mami and Kyoko were the least developed members of the crew.
Thought that different story developed their relationship in a genuinely endearing way while also characterizing their separate moral take on things.
Felt several genuine gut punches by the end of it.
WTF Homura, why didn't you tell Madoka the truth in this cycle. They could have used Madoka's wish to turn her into a goddess that prevented witches from existing, turn Mami into a normal girl again, or revive both, Sayaka and Kyouko (not just the blue one).
I actually really liked how Homura's shown to have a genuine moment of empathy with Mami before she ended up resenting that Madoka would become a magical girl for her and Sayaka's sake.
It adds an interesting layer to how she tried to find a balance in working with the others before she gave up on confiding with anyone.
She did try to help everyone at first though. She only gave up when she realized she couldn't save anyone and rather should just focus on the target of her wish.
She's nut but she's not the cold-blood psychopath many here like to make her out to be. Even in Rebellion, she didn't hesitate to blow her head up but only tried to shoot Mami in the head. In her new world, everyone can seen living a relatively happy and comfy lives (while for Madoka it's debatable).
Ultimately, the only one who always gets the short end of the stick is just Homura herself.
Yeah, I'm not saying she hasn't tried to help the others in the past, but we didn't get many moments of her interacting positively with anyone besides Madoka.
Different Story was nice because it shows an example of her expressing some emotional understanding for Mami without ulterior motives.
Homura and Mami getting along makes me happier than Madoka and Homura or Sayaka and Kyouko being best friends. Thank goodness we have those little light-hearted SoL stories, like Homu and Mami exchanging bodies.
Odette - Madoka, Siegfried - Sayaka, Odile & Rothbart - Homura
If the witch thing from the concept short is kept in the plot, then it's possible that either Homura will find a way to manipulate Sayaka to prevent Godoka from returning or that'll be the way both Madoka and Sayaka will die together (if memory serves me right Kriemhild was shown at the end of the short). Homura may hire Kyubey as a cohort, so he may play Odile's role.
p.s. I'm positive that the "dead cats" thing in the more accurate summary refers to Kyubey. He may be visible to everyone in the new world.
I was going to ask: Why Shaft?
But then I remembered that they were the ones who animated EXTRA CCC's OP.
>no fan art of Madoka's new outfit yet
WTF JAPAN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER
Oh, and I forgot to mention, it's a shame that Hal Film Maker no longer exists, they made an overall good job animating Princess Tutu's ballet dances. Though, I'm not sure if TYO animations are capable of doing a better work than Hal when it comes to anime dances.
>"In the heaven, there is no such thing."
>"For god, there's no such thing."
>"That's why a lizard girl thought god is pitiful, and brought half of her to the world."
Isn't Homura's symbol a lizard? Maybe the third line is referring to the scene where she "split" Madoka into halves?
So many feels in this thread to wake up to.
Come on mate that's not a catch that's fucking obvious.
Of note with the short movie is that Madoka does NOT call Homura a devil, but rather, a "Lizard Girl", and "Fairy-san"
Madoka seems to think of Homura a lot differently from how Homura thinks of Homura
>obvious fact for anyone with half a brain that watched the damn thing while sober
>creators build up on it when continuing the storyline
>t-t-they're trying to push their Homu was right agenda down our throats!!
>there are faggots that WILL try to defend this with a straight face
Consider the Following:
Back in the Old, old days, Like back when being able to make Steel was considered a really fucking impressive thing to do, Fairies weren't thought of as tiny little girls fluttering about leaving a trail of pixie dust in their wake, playing joyful pranks with mischievous boys and girls. None of that shit. Fairies were FUCKING TERRIFYING. They were vague, incomprehensible beings that seldom ever appeared, but when they did, they burned villages, kidnapped women and children, and were just in general unpleasant to be around, made even worse by the unknowable sense of morality they operated upon and their intense fascination with humans; It's not like dealing with a PERSON, it's like dealing with a malicious force of nature that speaks your tongue and does not at all understand why you keep screaming so loudly when all they want to do is remove those troublesome looking organs of yours.
So, yeah, less like Tinkerbell, more like Anime-Eyed Cthulhu beasts that try and fail to endear themselves to mankind.
...so I guess Kyubey is the Fairy-san in question.
There really is no other possibility. Kyubey is the only one that oth fits the new and the traditional definition of the word 'fairy'. That and I think in one of the mangas, one of the magical girls refers to one of the incubators as a fairy.
I already knew the homage based on Swan Lake.
I want to know
what Russians are thinkingabout a lot of references from three famous ballets composed by Tchaikovsky. ACK used to find fault with my behaviors. He made a false accusation I overanalyzed them but finally I was right .Now everyone is doing it.
HomuMado: you and me!
Nobody has ever called Kyubey a "fairy". They referred to Juubey in Kazumi Magica as a "fairy", not Kyubey, and there is a major plot reason for that.
That is literally the second image for fairy when you type in fairy in Google image search.
Madoka says it while Homura and herself are standing with backs facing each other. It's a question to Homura. Madoka is the only one that bothers to see the good in Homura. She wouldnt call her demon.
Based on the stuff leaked out, we know Madoka is a magical girl again. Why would she need Kyubey's help at the end? She is already a magical girl. He cant really do anything further.
That text has those hesitation ellipses, as if she's scared of the answer of what the answer may be. "Will you help me... fairy-san?"