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What do you think about Guts? Is he just a mary sue badass with big ass sword or something more than that?
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Guts was fucked in the ass by force
Griffith chose to get fucked in the ass
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>>133997783
>mary sue badass

Mary Sues are not constantly wrong about what they do, they don't win fights by being inches away from death and they don't get their lives ruined this fucking hard.

He's very, very far away from suedom.
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Mary Sue basically mean "character I don't like" these days
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>>133997783

Guts is the very opposite of the Mary Sue concept.
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>>133999287
Why? His shit got fucked up but he is still OP
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he's not a mary sue. he is an escapist character
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>>134000026
Mary Sue isn't just a strong character mate. It's the author's self insert which Guts isn't.
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>>133997883
GRIFFITH LITERALLY TRADED HIS BOIPUSSY FOR AN ARMY.
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How can anyone consider Guts a Mary Sue after all the trauma that happened to him?

Mary Sue has nothing to do with how strong a character is.A Mary Sue is a perfect character without flaws or the author's self insert.
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>>134000157
Griffith traded his dignity for godlike powers. We dont even know if he is the same character.
>>134000261
What is Guts powerlevel?
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>>134001281
>What is Guts powerlevel?

Increadibly low, but he still prevails through pushing himself to the limit.

That's the appeal of the character, same as Batman when he's written right.
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>>133997783
He was cooler before getting the furfag armor and activating flippy ninja mode whenever he has to fight something remotely challenging.
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>>133997783

>Is Guts a Gary Stu?

Confirmed for not having read or understood Berserk at all.
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I dont think Gatz is a human, maybe a demon or something else, because even if the series has fantasy elements, humans are still humans, dont it seems strange that only Gattz has super strenght and vitality?
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>>134003061
did you just look at pictures and not read anything or are you a complete retard
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>>134004525
Apostles point that out all the time
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>>133997783
OP I brought you the Jesus of Gary Stu's as a example.
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He is a Byronic Hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero
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>>134004525
Guts can't be a demon,since All the demons we've seen so far are Apostles or under their control.He's a human who became powerful because of all the trauma he went through.
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>>134005268
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero
explain
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>>133997783
You have no idea what a Mary Sue is do you? Have you even read Berserk?
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I'm gonna start lifting, lads. One day I'll unlock Guts mode.
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>>134001417
>incredibly low
No, he's physically a match for fucking Zodd, even without the armor. That just doesn't mean as much because apostles usually have weird powers besides brute strength.
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Berserk fans trying to defend their series has almost gotten as embarassing as SNKfags trying to defend theirs
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>>134006214
Berserk is fucking shit m8, even SA:O is more consistent and interesting story-wise.
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>>134006214
>>134006459
Low quality bait
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>>134006125
And then you'll hurt little girls?
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He's definitely not a Mary Sue. Griffith is a Mary Sue, especially now.
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>>134007214
Griffith is a mary sue from the perspective of someone in universe, but that's the point.
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>>134006859
Prove me wrong or fuck off, because your opinion means shit if you dont provide proofs
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>people still thinking Berserk is anything but trash
What's happening is part of a phenomenon I wrote about a couple of years ago when I was asked to comment on Kentaro Miura. I went to an Akihabara anime store and bought and read a copy of the "Golden Age." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the art was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time the main character fell in the prescence of others, he would accidentally fall on a woman and grope her breasts. I began marking on the back of my volume every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the volume several dozen times. I was incredulous. Miura's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that he has no other style of writing.

But when I wrote that on My Anime List, I was denounced. I was told that new anime fans would now read and watch only Berserk, and I was asked whether that wasn't, after all, better than reading nothing at all? If Berserk was what it took to make them pick up anime, wasn't that a good thing?

It is not. "Berserk" will not lead our children on to Masaaki Yuasa's "The Tatami Galaxy" or his "Ping Pong: The Animation" It will not lead them to Satoshi Kon's "Perfect Blue" or Ryūtarō Nakamura's "Serial Experiments Lain" or Hiroshi Nagahama's "Mushishi."

Later I read a lavish, loving review of Berserk by Hiroyuki Imaishi. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these new fans are watching Berserk at 13 or 14, then when they get older they will go on to watch Gurren Lagann." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you watch Berserk, you are, in fact, trained to watch Gurren Lagann.
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>>133997783
>mary sue
Post yfw you found out Guts was a she.

>being this fucking stupid
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>>134007309
Never said it wasn't.
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>>134007316
Which proofs did you provide?
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>>134007316
so does yours, saying "berserk is shit lol you stupid fags" does not qualify as an 'proofs'
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>>134007365
Why are you responding?
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>>134007375
See >>134007337
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>>134007341
>Post yfw you found out Guts was a she.
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>>134001417
>Batman
>written right

Batman is the single most overrated character in the history of literature. Fucking drink bleach.
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>>134007337
Even if this pasta wasn't stale it was always lazily made, they just did a edit job of that Harry Potter review by substituting those words. I mean have some fucking pride.
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>>134007341
There's a male equivalent for that term?
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>>134007450
Contain you anger /co/
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>>134007464
gary stu
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>>134007382
it's hard to keep a straight mind in berserk threads. When the three retards aren't around, these niggers come up. We just need someone who shits up the thread to argue with. The power of stockholm syndrome
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>>134007464
Do you google research faggot.
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He's not a mary sue

He survives retarded situations but by the skin of his teeth. Like after every major battle he's disabled for weeks to months.
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>>134007511
not to mention that lately he always needs some major backup from the armor or from other people to avoid getting his ass handed to him (Zodd, the mermaids)
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>>134007485
>When the three retards aren't around
who? Hawk, noname and that avatarfag French whore?
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Mary Sue as a term is becoming increasingly useless.
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>>134007545
And even then, the armor fucks him up even more

>>134007553
yes
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>>134007553
shhhh don't summon them
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>>134006214
>>134006459
really nigga??
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>>134007592
sorry
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can someone explain to me why this place is so full of retarded normalfags now? it can't be just for OPM. why then?
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>>134007696
The boat sticky probably exacerbated it.
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when is the jewest coming back?

>>134007696
it's been like this for a while. OPM only made things worse, but not that much.
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>>134007696
>>134007756
What's OPM?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/3u2wlp/korean_scans_342/cxbjwm9

Translations of Korean version are here.
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>>134006206
At their second fight Zodd he pushed guts around pretty hardcore
>>134001417
Hes like batman in so many ways, nice comparison
>>134003061
its not like "hey guts take this armor and you will kick some fucking ass"
>>134005049
i believe so
>>134006125
im just starting to look like 15 yo guts now, it takes a lot of time haha (you fucking pervert)
>>134006459
yeah, sure
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>>134007756
>but not that much.
are you kidding? now we have fucking tumblr and a bunch of children posting pic of 3dpd sluts all over /a/
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>>134007799
single knock guy
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>>134007866
That was from SnK, not OPM.
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>>134007799
>>134007907

Oh wait, I get it
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Man Berserk threads really are cancer, with or without Hawk.
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>>134007866
there have been worse escalations of newfags. Surely this one is, like any other, fucking abysmal, but I'd hardly say it's the worst one that ever happened.

the thing I can't stand is how this shit spread everywhere. I cannot turn my head around without seeing some normalfag screaming 'saitama the best omg top' and posting hilarious meme images about bald-guy. It's pretty sad.

at least the anime made it possible for the ones who run localizations here to finally decide to bring the volumes here, so there's that. Pizzalandia wins again
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/comments/3u2wlp/korean_scans_342/cxbjwm9

Translations of korean version, get them while they're hot.
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>>134008044
>>134007852
>posting links to reddit
Have some shame, man.
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>>134008041
and the loli threads are full of normalfag shitting everything too. it's pretty sad.
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>>134007852
I didn't think we'd finally see the day. I'm still going to wait for evil genius

I'll have to say though, I was expecting a big epic landing or a elfheim seen from the distance spread or something like that.

>>134008004
We can usually hold some decent discussions when there are no namefags around. Believe me, when Hawk or any other decides to show up the threads become hilariously bad, far worse than this one.
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>>134008136
Those are just /pol/ trolls.
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>>134008100
its like, the best place to discuss berserk
>FEEL NO SHAME BOUT REDDIT
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>>134007696
/v/ happened, 2015 was horrible.
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>>134008258
I'll give /a/ this, it's the only big board that didn't get consumed by GG bullshit.
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>>134007434
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>>134008248
>discussing Berserk
Since Reddit was created, there was nothing worth discussing about Berserk until two days ago.
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>>134008248
They are not even ashamed to admit where they come from now, this faggot can't even properly greentext

>>134008258
What have they done this time
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>>134008504
>>134008630
there are nice and civilized conversations in /r/berserk, you people are like like closet homos or something, you guys should let the memes aside its just a forum
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>>134008630
feel no shame about shame? get it, motherfucker?
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>>134008405
/a/ never gives a shit about shit, and that's why I fucking love /a/
>attacks on France
>MADOKAMI IS KILL

>fucking turkey goes full WWIII
>off the boat

I just fucking love this place.
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>>134008796
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>>134008922
Ideally, every board would be like this. I remember being on /k/ and some /v/ fags started their goober gate threads there
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>>134008630
>What have they done this time
They realized /v/ is too small to contain their shitposting, so they emigrated to other boards posting their 3D and /v/ image reactions, see the growing of DK's expand, MGS and the like image reactions lately.
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>>134008796
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>>134008980
/v/ is mind numbingly bad. It looks like a parody of what it's supposed to be. Let's admit it, it's not like /a/ isn't complete shit to a certain degree, but it's nowhere near as bad as there
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>>134008980
>>134009027
/v/ is literally /b/ at this point. I'm afraid to even look at what /b/ is now.
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>>134009054
>I'm afraid to even look at what /b/ is now.
Half porn, half /soc/, you'll see shit like
>dubs decide what I tell this nigga/grill on fb.
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>>134009104
Sounds like /b/
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The term "Mary Sue" has lost all meaning these days and is only used ironically or by complete idiots.

True/false?
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>>134009247
pretty much
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>>134009247
yes
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>>134008796
I was about to give a serious response, but fuck it, you type like you're 14 and this is probably bait.
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>>134009247
True. This thread is especially stupid.
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>>134009247
It was always pretty useless. Originally it was just about fanfic self insert characters who everyone loved for no reason and stole the focus from the actual cast, but then people tried applying it to MCs in actual works who had similar characteristics, and from there it just got more and more vague. There's a more useful alternative to pretty much every definition someone has for it, besides the original.
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>>134009365
at least is more interesting than the other one.
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>>134009247
>gets op armor
>cant die
>kills everyone
>isnt a mary sue

hahha you sure showed me edgelord
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>>134009395
The one about Griffith? I don't really care about Berserk threads. People just repeat themselves.
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>>134006125
Sauce? Google's giving me nothing
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>>134009565
>The one about Griffith?
yes
>People just repeat themselves.
all this bullshit about /v/ and normalfags is far better than all those delusional Griffith apologists.
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>>134009565
People say hawk and no-name ruined them, but they really just made it more obvious how bad they were. Releases were poorly paced and infrequent as fuck for years, yet there were still points where these threads were daily.
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>>134009635
The slower threads were always fine. You might get tired of the repetitiveness but that's not as bad as tripfag drama or straight shitposting
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I wonder if normalfags would stop making OPM threads if we started spamming that Saitama's a mary sue. It's not like the majority of them know what it actually means anyway.
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>>134009849
It's not as bad, it's still not good. And it pretty much caused the tripfag drama. Regular, general style threads with no new content inevitably cause tripfags or at least notorious shitposters.
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>>134009856
Because it actually has no meaning and is one of the worst buzzwords
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>>134009856
>If they shitpost we should shitpost too!

Brilliant
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>not understanding the story of Berserk stems from Miura's passion for Arthurian legend, Conan the Barbarian, and Friedrich Nietzsche's philosophy and cited literary loves
>failing to see the extremely esoteric and philosophical symbolism of Guts and Griffith's characters and relationship
>even thinking stupid terms like "Mary sue" apply here
ITT: Unread degenerates who read Berserk like it's just another piece of weeb shit with power levels.
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>>134010090
They're the kind of people who want Guts to stay a revenge tard forever and complain about the supernatural stuff post golden age
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>>134009527
>isnt a mary sue
Yes indeed, specially because a man can't be a mary sue, shithead.
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>>134009527
>get op armor
It can kill him.
>cant die
He can die.
>kills everyone
Except every important enemy.
>Grunbeld
Guts barely survived the fight. Grunbeld is still alive and isn't even wounded.
>Daiba and his familiars
Berserker Armor was useless and Guts was almost killed. Kundalini (the water snake) was defeated by Schierke and killed by Serpico. Daiba is still alive.
>Ganishka
Guts not in his rage mode + Zodd. They didn't kill him.
>The Sea God
Guts in BA was almost killed by his heartbeat alone. He won only because the mermaids rendered the Sea God harmless.
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>>134009856
>It's not like the majority of them know what it actually means anyway.
It seems you don't either, since Saitama is seen at best as an average looking young bald in his series.
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>>134010291
My point was that they'd buy he's a mary sue because to them mary sue = OP, not that he is a mary sue.
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>>134010346
So, cure cancer with shitposting?
>>134010026
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>>134001417

He chose Luck as is dump stat.
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>>134009027

Its infuriating.

Its split between raging poltards, shitposters, and the last third trying to have a decent conversation.

There are magical threads where the stars aline and it becomes good for one thread, but its so rare.
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>>134010090
I'm not saying Berserk doesn't have depth, but what does Nietzsche have to do with it besides a vague similarity between Griffith and an Ubermensch figure?
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>>134010370
It probably wouldn't work, but it's essentially what we've been doing to rec threads and Naruto for years.
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>>133997783
He's a goddamn, 100% genuine human, you faggot ass monster.
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>>134010682
>putting OPM threads on the same level as rec and nurutu threads.
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>>134011376
The vs. threads are definitely on that level. Probably should've specified that.
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>yfw guts becomes a skeleton
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>>134005268
>>134005740
You're right, here's a better link:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero
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>>134012001
>tvtropes
>better link

'no'
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>>134010630
Read Zarathustra, there is quite a bit. For example, you can see the three metamorphoses of the spirit in Guts, On the Friend is more or less talking about Guts and Griffith. On the Tree on the Mountainside is relevant to Guts. There's more.
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>>134012001
>better link
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