At least we got this.
So basically....I should expect this group to add as a translation note for "I'll kill you" with "this person just directly threatened this character with imminent severe bodily harm"
you think krillin lucked out?
he died on like several occasions. he's been impaled twice. he had his neck snapped for fucks sake.
toriyama saw the abyss that was his life and knew he had to make right with him. that's why he got the android pussy riding on his dick every night.
Krillin won the Dragon Ball lottery.
So, he started out rough. Born a bullied dwarf.
Pulled his way up to become the strongest/second strongest (depending on how you side on the Tien debate).
Helped at key moments, effectively helping save the world/universe multiple times. Stayed semi-relevant even though he was surpassed in the power-level driven world that is DBZ.
Gets the hottest girl in the series, and has a kid. Actually loves her and enjoys his family. Has great friends, and no longer has to worry about random aliens trying to kill him. Even if he was killed, he is friends with so many powerhouses that abuse dragon balls, so he would come right back.
Even though some people think it's funny to shit on him, I'd be perfectly happy being Krillin.
I never understood why people make fun of him when he actually had the balls to help anyway he could despite the odds being against him.
Look at this dialogue. He's not even fucking upset that he has to give his life for his friend, he just regrets not having a girlfriend before doing it.
>9 years old at this point
She should be 8-9 years old and
she was even in an infant restraint carrier in the BoG saga.
It's probably because she's pretty much a toddler physically.
Hopefully she grows
Maron grows up just fine in GT. Even here she looks younger than she should be.
Maron should be in her 20's in GT, but they drew her like a teenager.
>Maron grows up just fine in GT.
Yeah I noticed that. I wonder if she would get
the same kind of changes in the canon story line.
She's definitely done growing at that point.
Her father is definitely at fault.
Super "officially" takes place "some time" after the wish to make people forget Buu (6 months post Buu Saga). That's the only official wording.
We know that the sometime has to be more than one year due to the Dragonballs being restored and usable, but that's it.
>why does she look like a toddler?
I don't know but best guess is because of her father's genes.
I even looked it up to make sure my timelines were correct and it's true.
She has the physique of a toddler.
Toriyama honestly pays VERY little attention to timelines. I'm pretty sure he paid absolutely no attention to how old Goku was at any given age other than when he said he was 12 at the 21st world tournament.
Marron only has to be 8 if you assume super isn't retconning end of Z. Which it obviously is since Pan is born and Bulla/Bra is nowhere in sight. Also Mr. Satan was given an award for saving the world in the first episode, which means Super takes place at most a year after Z.
She's meant to be 13 at the end of Z and looks like this. GT is either five years after Z originally, or 10 years in the Funi dub. Puts her at either 18 or 23.
Right now, she's somewhere between 3 and 13 cause lol no timeline
Reminder that "teen Gohan" was actually
11 years old when he defeated Cell.
I wouldn't mind being a bald, no nose midget if it means getting what Krillin has.
Yes, the in that pic I was showing the huge difference in aging.
What i'm pointing out is how impressive that was for his age.
Goku who is fully Saiyan wasn't nearly that impressive at an even a much older age.
Goku hadn't done much fighting before Bulma found him.
Neither were his enemies particularly strong.
Gohan had been training from age 3(?) with Piccolo, and quite intensely. Always fighting progressively stronger enemies, enemies much stronger than him.
It's only obvious he would be so much stronger.
>It's only obvious he would be so much stronger.
It's not that I don't understand.
I'm saying his age is impressive for such feats.
Such a young age, going through as much as he did.
He's trained hard no doubt.
>a beautiful wife who loves him
>sweet KI blasts
>a child who loves him
>OP friends who can save his ass whenever
Man krillin may have died and been rekted a lot but the benefits are worth it
srs question: Is Goku in GT weaker or stronger than in DBZ? he's still able to use SSJ3 and, well, even 4. I don't think beeing a kid makes him much weaker, does it?
Remember that time when he rekted Serru and Friiza in base form in hell. He's DBS tier in power.
So is the secret of this god ki is just keeping the ki in their bodies? Or was it just to throw your enemies off?
Also I was hoping that they reveal super saiyan blue before freeza got there. I don't like the "oh I just learned how to do it just now" excuse.
RoF takes place about a year or less after BoG, where he was still shown to look like a little kid.
Besides, Goku was 15 when the King Piccolo arc started, and he still looked about the same as he did when the series first started.
She is space monkey royalty after all
I know 18 is supposed to have settled down now and everything, but a part of me feels like she deserved to help the Z fighters in this.
I mean, after Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo, isn't she actually supposed to be the strongest?
Wow, I forgot about Buu for some reason. But yeah, I guess if the next arc is supposed to be Universe's strongest vs Universe's strongest, it would make sense if the main fighters were: Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Buu, 18, Trunks, Goten Tien and Krillin
Gohan can stay home.
This is the same series that has Yamcha and Chiaotzu stay home even though they're well stronger than Master Roshi.
DBZ is based on popularity and if the writer's give a shit about the character or not. Popularity is how much you get to show up, and the writer's giving a fuck is how effective you are.
there's already an image that shows Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan and Goten with Beerus in the background.
Assuming Goten and Trunks fuse, there's your 5.
Chiaotzu being stronger than Roshi is debatable. Especially if he kept up with training.
People assume Roshi is weak because of the initial scouter reading. But that's not taking into account his power by forcing his energy into a single point.
Radditz made the same mistake and that's why he died.
Most people haven't so I phrased it like that. Fuck, I haven't (watched the anime though) and I barely remember it because it was so long ago.
I still remember how much better than Z it was tho.
I have read the first half of Dragonball. There's almost nothing to say that ChiChi isn't at least average intelligence/education. And the reason she was hard on her kids getting an education was more because GOKU was such an uneducated hillbilly.
>There's almost nothing to say that ChiChi isn't at least average intelligence/education.
What? She talks the exact same way Goku does, and is just as ignorant about real world interactions because she's stuck with her father who hordes treasure all by himself.
They're both ignorant hillbillies, if she wasn't, she wouldn't be living out in the sticks still doing things the old fashion way.
>Except that isn't so much the case as in Z.
Yes it is. She doesn't do anything that requires any form of education. Unless you count signing up your kid for high school hard work.
>Bulma has an even hotter sister
>Roshi > Yamcha
We don't know that.
Yamcha had powerlevel ~1,500 in Saiyan saga, then he trained with Kaiou and alone in Android/Cell saga. However, his power level was never properly clocked after his death, since all he did was getting roflstomped by opponents stronger than Frieza. Thus the upper cap for Yamcha's PL is around dozens of millions (highly unlikely), the lower probably ~5k (in a case of Yamcha being VERY disappointing).
Roshi was able to hold his ground against an entire horde of Frieza's minions, but wasn't able to break through and got tired. Assuming that an average minion was somewhere between Raditz and Zarbon, we get the upper cap of ~60k and the lower cap of ~5k.
he was powerful enough for Gero to mistake him for Goku, and Gero had been studying him before he left to namek.
meaning Yamcha is AT LEAST as powerful as Goku was when he left for namek. Of course, this is all speculation
ChiChi can actually fit into normal society. The running gag of their relationship after they were married is that ChiChi is a normie and Goku is an ignorant mountain man. Just because she's technically from the country didn't stop Toriyama or Toei from portraying as smarter than Goku in terms of normal-fag stuff, regardless of whether it makes sense for her to be any more of average IQ than her husband. Of course, I know it's hard for DBfags to acknowledge the series actually continues after the first half and doesn't have the strictest consistency, at least try.
that doesn't make any sense. He even killed himself trying to stop Piccolo.
>The running gag of their relationship after they were married is that ChiChi is a normie and Goku is an ignorant mountain man
Chichi is also a mountain woman. They're from around the same area, you need to reread dragonball.
>ChiChi can actually fit into normal society.
HAHAHA. No she does not. Roshi, Oolong and Bulma recognized her from her accent alone. She's also a freak of nature with super strength.
>Just because she's technically from the country didn't stop Toriyama or Toei from portraying as smarter than Goku in terms of normal-fag stuff
Goku killed Gohan before he was 11 YEARS OLD, before Gohan could even teach him how to count or read. Of course Chichi knows more than him.
Chichi isn't doing anything more than my Grandma with a 3rd education could do.
That would mean that the lower cap for Yamcha is at least 8k. Also we should keep in mind that Gero tried to predict growth of Goku's power level. Assuming that his extrapolation was somewhat correct for Goku's base form, Yamcha's power level should be at least around 300k to be mistaken for Goku's.
>Chichi is also a mountain woman. They're from around the same area,
That's completely irrelevant in this case as I already explained. Heck, even in DB, little Chi Chi was smarter than Goku.
>No she does not. Roshi, Oolong and Bulma recognized her from her accent alone.
Her accent doesn't have shit to do with her intelligence level, ya nimrod.
>Of course Chichi knows more than him.
What exactly are you arguing against here if you agree Chi Chi is smarter than Goku?
>Chichi isn't doing anything more than my Grandma with a 3rd education could do.
Goku could probably barely pass kindergarten if he were forced to take it and has the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to anything other than fighting.
Yes, and we all know the Driving School filler is honorary canon in this regard.
>little Chi Chi was smarter than Goku.
"If a boy touches a girl they must marry. This means I must sit here and wait for him to come back. For 8 years" is only SLIGHTLY smarter than "dur what's a girl"
Him driving Chichi and Gohan is in the manga you fucking pleb.
>Goku could probably barely pass kindergarten if he were forced to take it and has the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to anything other than fighting.
You really need to reread dragonball. Roshi taught Goku how to read and do math. This was a POINT brought up NUMEROUS times later.
Goku figured out how old he was, and in contrast, Chiaotzu who had amazing techniques, couldn't focus because he had no knowledge.
Which is just as well. Goku is a terrible parent.
BOTH Goku and Chichi are dumb fucks because they grew up isolated from society and didn't learn shit about how anything works. Chichi being a bit less dumb than Goku doesn't make her anywhere near a normal person social intelligence-wise
But everything after the first half of the manga or Dragonball does imply if not show that she is more socially intelligent and at least more book smart than he is, given the fact that she's the one who handles all the bills and more regularly goes into the city. Admittedly the anime and movies are more heavy handed in this regard and probably make Goku look dumber than he does in the manga, but it's still in the spirit Toriyama was going for. She's not dumb just because she isn't a scholar. Goku is dumb in spite of having a somewhat basic education, because even after he had become an adult, he got married without even know what sex was.
I don't know what the translations read like, but the entire way she talks in Japanese REALLY makes her come across as rather unintelligent, and that holds through for the entire series.
So do the manga or anime give proper explanation for the eartlings to properly take Frieza minions. It was cool to see the old guys in action, but really it bugged that it happened out of nowhere.
You have seen nothing.
I was there in 1995. Back when scanlation was young and people were naive and ignorant. You ever seen Ranma scanlations from back then? Guessing and making shit up was the norm. Those were horrible days.
If Goku drove on a regular basis they'd need to upgrade the Dragon Balls so they work every day. And start a Senzu Bean farm the size of a planet.
Nigga's a maniac behind the wheel. I'd rather trust Kid Buu with a car.
The multi-form technique would be great for a fight like that.
Sure, it's nigh-useless when fighting an enemy stronger than you, but for clearing out a bunch of weak enemies it's perfect.
>Reminder that the anime wasn't able to show Goku growing up like the manga did.
Here's the thing about dragonball and especially dragon ball movies. More often than not, power levels actually don't matter. The series called for a lot of fodder to be fought by a diverse cast of fighters, and so that's what happened.
Chi-Chi is a hick who wants to be what's considered good. When she was a child she thought she had to marry Goku because she read it on a magazine. Ox King is such a clutz that her only role model was superficial shit like that. That's the same reason she stops fighting altogether after getting married, because that's what she thinks a mother is supposed to do. She had no idea what being civilized or prosperous but she knows that's what she wants to be. That's the reason she pushed Gohan so hard and hates Goku fucking around trainning. You can't really blame her, all she wanted was to be a normal wife in a normal family but instead her family and friends keep getting murdered.
Filler greatly exaggerated her bitch personality and made her more unlikeable.
I like how it's subtle but noticeable back to back. I still kinda wish teen Goku could've kept his tail though.
I like Chi-chi because I realize that both her and Goku really have no idea what they're doing. The difference being Chi-chi thinks she knows what she's doing, and Goku, who knows nothing, just kinda follows suit. They're basically to children playing house.
>That's the same reason she stops fighting altogether after getting married, because that's what she thinks a mother is supposed to do.
> That's the reason she pushed Gohan so hard and hates Goku fucking around trainning.
That and she was probably traumatized by seeing her fiancé get a hole blown in his shoulder big enough to drive a bus through.
OR, imagine if Piccolo survived, and to stall for Goku he uses that "Turn huge" technique he only used once and tries to hold Vegeta back long enough for Goku to gather the energy, only to get killed in the proccess.
Sees her Fiance almost get obliterated by a demon.
>5 years later he decides to visit his friends for a day.
>Oh your husband was killed by that demon and your son was kidnapped by that demon training to fight an alien race of honed efficient warriors who've single handedly brought many planets to their knees
>Ok. So your husband is back but pretty much everyone else except for Your son, Your husbands friend and some Kansai dialect fat samurai are dead. Also your husband has a broken everything.
>Ok so your 5 year old son has now gone into space to a planet of the same race of aliens that killed your husband and kidnapped him. Also now he's acting angry and defiant.
>Ok. so it turns out the destroyer of worlds Freeza just so happened to be on that planet and is basically commiting genocide so he can wish to be immortal.
>Ok. So the planet exploded with your husband on it. Sorry about that.
>Oh don't worry though. He's actually not dead. Although he's also not coming back for an undetermined amount of time.
>Oh hey. Freeza, that guy who nearly killed your husband and his father with the exact same power level are on earth. Better send your son out to the front lines.
> Alright so now there's androids that are apparently strong enough to kill everyone earth coming in 3 years. Gonna need to put your 6 year old sons education on hold again. Because you'd better believe he'll be on the front lines of that too.
>So now your husband is inexplicably dying from a virus. Also the androids are way stronger than anyone, even Vegeta and the guy who killed Freeza.
>A mutant bug named cell who is exponentially more powerful than the androids just made a tournament. Don't worry. I'll have Gohan fight him one-on-one.
>Oh sorry Chi-chi your husbands dead again. We could bring him back with the dragonballs but Goku said "Nah." So yeah. You're a widow. And pregnant. Enjoy single motherhood.
Being Chi-chi is suffering.
You would get again to the "much power but less speed" trouble they had with the "muscle" supersaiyan also making you a big as fuck target.
Oozaru was usefull to conquer planets defended by armies of pussies, not good for 1vs1 fights (Vegeta would have died if Goku could have shot the 100% power Genkidama he prepared).
>Oh sorry Chi-chi your husbands dead again. We could bring him back with the dragonballs but Goku said "Nah." So yeah. You're a widow. And pregnant. Enjoy single motherhood.
This triggers my autism. They tried to wish Goku back and he couldn't be because he had already been wished back once before with the Earth DBs. And none of the people alive knew where Namek was.
next arc will be a Multiverse Tenkaichi Budokai, because Champa wants to get this universe's Earth to swap with his in order for him to get the foods In order to do this the winner (Beerus or Champa) gets the Super Dragon Balls, which are the moon-sized original Dragon Balls, that have the power to grant any number of wish, without power constraints There will be Saiyans from Champa's Universe coming
Yeah but if Goku really wanted to he could do what they did in the buu saga. Hold on to king kai's back, pinpoint new namek and say "Hey guys, could you wish me back?"
The namekians would say "Fuck yeah" and he'd be back. It's not that they couldn't. He just didn't want to.
They could've asked the dragon to ask where Namek was. How did they even get to old Namek in the first place?
If you want to defend Goku, you could point out how he decided to stay dead because he felt he attracted evil to Earth, so it was a conscious and responsible decision over the more popular "lol Goku didn't gave a shit because training > family"-reasoning.
>How did they even get to old Namek in the first place?
Weren't the coordinates programmed into Kami's old ship?
Also it's funny how Goku wanted to stay dead because he thought all their enemies were targeting him while Frieza's army was actually scared shitless of going to Earth because he lived there.
It's also funny how Frieza was wished back because his empire was falling apart in his absence and Sorbet thought bringing Frieza back would make everyone get their shit together but wishing him back only lead to the empire being finished off for good.
It's even funnier when you realize that Goku was right. The world was in peace for 8 years following his death. And then he decides to come back for one day and shit hits the fan.
And how is that Goku's fault?
And again, if Goku had stayed dead Frieza would've been resurrected sooner, probably nuked Earth from orbit, then gone back to ruling the universe.
I just assumed Freeza's new mooks were fucking babies. I mean if these are just freeza's average mooks, about the same level as the guys Gohan and Krillin first met on Namek and then THOSE mooks are even weaker than the usual mooks, I wouldn't be surprised if Roshi could fuck them over with his ability to raise his power level at the point of impact (since Freeza's soldiers don't know shit about that)
I know he's gotten weaker, but Gohan is still by far third strongest, excluding Buu as a Z Fighter. It's not really apparent if Gohan is stronger or weaker than him. He probably is. He "indefinitely has the potential to be stronger than Buu and Piccolo in this tournament" says Vegeta in the next issue of the Manga.
I was just saying it was funny is all. Also if we're being honest, Buu would not have revived if goku wasn't there. It was him and Vegeta's fight that caused Buu to awaken in the first place. Gohan only had half enough. Had Goku not been there Vegeta probably would've kicked Babidi's shit in while Gohan fought Dabura.
>about the same level as the guys Gohan and Krillin first met on Namek and then THOSE mooks are even weaker than the usual mook
source on that. I dont remember them revealing the strengh of anything. Those mooks could be stronger than those of Namek...and I think they were about as equal to Radditz. And Roshi cam enowhere close to Radditz.
...Didn't Dr. Gero invent the androids for the SOLE Purpose of killing Son Goku?
>...Didn't Dr. Gero invent the androids for the SOLE Purpose of killing Son Goku?
He would have done that for any other person who would have defeated the RR army. It wasn't necessary for that person to be Goku specifically, the entire Android fiasco would still have happened if Goku wouldn't have existed
Not to mention that without Goku, I don't think the Supreme Kai would've seeked him out and tried to fight Babidi on his own. He possibly wouldn't have been at the tournament (at the very least as a fighter), whilst Spopovich and Yamu wouldn't have attacked Gohan, because he wouldn't had to have showed off his Super Saiyan 2-form.
Their search for the strongest fighter would've failed, unless Vegeta and Gohan ended up in the finals and transformed. If that happened, they would've been attacked, but they'd defeat those two easily. Babidi would probably mobilize the likes of Pui Pui to go after weaker targets, but eventually he would be forced to use Dabura. Dabura might be able to steal energy from a possibly fatigued Gohan and Vegeta, but he'd have still lost. There would be no Buu. Saga over, unless Vegeta decided to be a cunt again because he wants the challenge that is facing Buu or something retarded like that.
If Goku didn't exist, no one would've taken down the Red Ribbon army other than maybe Roshi, Yamcha and Krillin. Tenshinhan and Chaozu would probably be on the Red Ribbon's side. Yajirobe is too much of a lazy coward to try. There wouldn't be as much of a need to create stronger androids because no one would even put up a fight. Assuming Pilaf still awakens piccolo then I guess piccolo rules the world and everyone is fucked. If he doesn't then the red ribbon army rules the world because the saiyans would have no reason to come to earth if Goku wasn't there.
Also that argument is a little dumb in general.
>The only reason the androids exist is because of Goku
>Well no. It's not because of Goku. He would've done it for anyone who took down the red ribbon army.
Yeah. And that person was Son Goku. It's still Son Goku's fault.
>If Goku didn't exist, no one would've taken down the Red Ribbon army other than maybe Roshi, Yamcha and Krillin
If Goku didn't exist Gohan would have slapped all their shit silly.
>mfw I still don't understand why Goku used Instant transmission with Dende and Satan instead of their own fucking sons.
To Goku's Credit, he knew he had to save Dende because they need the dragonballs. Mr. Satan just made the excelent choice of standing next to him.
Also to Goku's defense Goku had to move in the time it took for a ball of energy to fall from a cliff to the ground. That gives him like...5 seconds max and instant transmission requires a lot of focus. It was sheer luck that Kibito Kai teleported in to retrieve him or they all might have died anyway.
The Earth was about to explode, saving Dende was pointless because there would be no dragon balls.
Also to the "no time" guy. He has no time because he stopped to catch Dende and Satan. I would have saved my own son before 1 random and 1 friend.
Agreed. The characters are all way more chill and silly and Buu is a very fun villain. The world tournament is great and all the characters are at their comedic best during this arc than any of Z (not quite as great as DB though) They also just feel a lot more like a big family, all just hanging out on the lookout. I missed that in the previous sagas.
Everything that happened with Cell was just part of 16's convoluted plan to kill Goku.
You know, Goten and Trunks are implied to be really strong but I was always under the impression that at their base form they're about as strong as Goku during Freeza saga with super saiyan on top of that. Like I imagine they'd get wrecked by Cell.
The only reason they're relevant is because they can fuse which is basically 1 + 1 = 3 But I think Gohan at 8 was stronger than Goten currently is. Only difference is Goten can turn super saiyan while Gohan couldn't until he was like 9-10.
>Vegeta wants everybody to perform a writting exam
>Implying Goku and Buu will pass that.
Base Trunks struggled with 150 times gravity so he's probably about Ginyu level. I don't see them being any stronger than Frieza while they're transformed. Fusion is just ridiculously powerful.
Nah. They're way weaker then Goku during Freeza. SSJ is just a multiplier. It doesn't happen when you reach a certain level of strength - it's an emotion thing. It just got easier for them because their fathers were SSJs so it's in their blood.
I think the biggest flaw of the Cell/android sagas is that they're one saga. I wish the android saga had come to a conclusion where they decide to not kill Goku for now, similar to Piccolo did. Maybe gohan tries to protect Goku and 16's compassion kicks in. Because 16 dying being the trigger to make Gohan transform seems a little phoned in seeing how They only even meet like 2-3 times.
Also because the androids are much more interesting villains than Cell just based on the fact that they're just bored teenagers.
Also it'd make room for Krillin trying to get to know 18 behind the scenes. See 18 and 17 interact more with each other. It'd really make you feel something when Cell innevitably shows up and absorbs them. Just a thought.
Natural power levels are kind of confusing in Dragon Ball. People like Gohan and Frieza are obscenely powerful just because of their DNA, but then there's Uub who's strong because of his past life. Maybe strong parents are more likely to give birth to the reincarnation of strong people? Dragon Ball's combination of mysticism and science fiction leads to some pretty weird stuff.
Buu is a lot smarter than he lets on
He interacts with plenty of people.
>He talks to Gohan like a dad and like a friend.
>Him and Krillin still talk like friends although Krillin clearly looks up to him
Well he has to look up to everyone
>Him and Piccolo kind of converse from a place of mutual understanding. In a way Piccolo is kind of like a namekian Goku. A fighting freak who overcame his tendency for evil but still lives out his fighting desires.
>Goku and Vegeta are more like Friendly rivals. Vegeta's like an upper classman that just hates Goku because he's in all the advanced classes he's in And Goku just likes competing with him.
>Bulma's his super smart friend who gets guys to do what she likes with that butt on her chest.
>Chi-chi also has a butt on her chest but it's not as bouncy. But makes him food although she tries to keep him from fighting so he has to walk on eggshells.
You now realize Goku and Chaozu have never once exchanged dialogue.
Still waiting for Vegeta and Oolong to interact.
Most of the Z fighters don't interact with each other unless a catastrophe happens.
Every new arc has them saying "it's been a long time since we have seen each other."
The only time they spent time together as friends was that OVA with Vegeta's brother and Battle of the Gods.
When I first saw this scene I thought they were gonna try to do like...an original crew type ending with Bulma and oolong, but instead of Yamcha Vegeta's there.
Roshi's been keeping up with his Aerobics.
If Toriyama actually said this I would accept it out of principle alone.
If that's true the Yamcha, Krillin, Roshi, and possiby Goku are all a bit fucked.
Of course Vegeta doesn't even have to anything. He just needs to tell chi-chi and Goku's fucked.
So I was rereading the Buu Saga for the millionth time and I noticed that whenever Gohan gets pissed at Old Kaioshin for taking so long he gets the Super Saiyan eyes but his hair doesn't change. Toriyama has an amazing attention to detail. I've read the manga dozens of times but I still discover new things.
Hey, now.. 'Can't readily complain about Goku bullying Nappa; for the sake of his comrades, 'fucker had a really punchable face.
Even Vegeta took pleasure in roasting Nappa's ass.
I downloaded the Viz scans from Mega a while ago, they've been taken down since then.
I think this is the same thing. Viz's translations aren't perfect and there's no color, but until MofoGoku/HAO/Z Quality Scans get off their lazy asses and decide to finish scanlating it's the best we have.
>Not having the DB manga collection
Watching DB super as a grown up has made me realize how much I hate 99% of the cast. They're all so damn annoying. Especially this bitch right here, she is just insufferable.
I think this was something lost in translation.
What Tori probably said was that Roshi is as powerful as he want to be in the sense that depending how much he trains just like anyone IRL is as strong as their training. Tori is suggesting that Roshi has been training himself since the Beerus incident and got strong enough be able to beat Radditz.
It's an awful translation, where most of it is completely made-up. In that link, "Toriyama" says that Freeza's PL is 100 quintillion, which is BS considering it was Ryuusei Nakao who said that, as a joke.
The last time Muten Roshi had his power measured was during the Saiyan arc... which was roughly fifteen years before the events of Resurrection F. Isn't it possible he's been training offscreen and has steadily increased his power? His abnormally strong student Kuririn did spend a lot of that time living with him, after all, and he would make one hell of a sparring partner.
Granted, due to his age and never doing extra-special stuff like going to Kaio's or getting potential unlocks, Roshi's not going to reach the same level as the younger Earthlings, and his power might deteriorate pretty quickly if he slacks off. But I don't see any reason why a PL of a few thousand wouldn't be possible for him, especially when he buffs up to fight like in the movie. I could see him around 1,000-1,500 normally and maybe close to 5,000 in his "max power" state.
Chi Chi is a shit wife, just like Goku is a shit husband and father. Fucking Vegeta ended up being a better father than Goku.
It's not wonder Chi Chi became an hysterical cunt.
Considering the other humans have gotten so ridiculously strong, into the hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions in the PL scale, I don't think 5000 for Roshi, in the same amount of time, is that far-fetched.
He doesn't work or take care of his kids even when he's at home.
Also he intentionally sent both of kids to fight villains at risk of death when he could have done the fight himself.
Goku doesn't give two shits about peace, safety, his kids or anything. All he want is to train and fight stronger enemies. No matter how you look at it, Goku is the biggest asshole in the entire series. He deserves his wife.
It's such a comfy series to watch. I thought I wouldn't like it as much but It's just a good show. I don't feel bored
So I dropped Super right after Pan was born, has it gotten any better?
I'm the only who thinks that is ridicolus that Frieza in only 4 months of training got became 1000 times stronger?Also I don't get it why doing two versions of the beerus and Frieza saga.It seems a waste of time and money for me
Goku doesn't really care about saving the earth. Don't forget, the androids killing everyone and destroying the earth could've been prevented. Bulma even points out "We can just gather the dragonballs, wish to find out where Gero is, and kill him before he finishes these androids that kill everyone." And goku and vegeta are like "nah. Let's fight androids"
This isn't true. It may be the case now because DB has lost most of what made the series good. But Goku has always fought for the innocent and people he cared about. Think about when he first went SS. It was a direct outcome from the rage caused by Piccolo being btfo and krillin being killed.
This. I've read fanfiction that writes these characters better (more entertaining) and fanfiction is literal word garbage. I think it boils down to nip humor where they think annoying characters are humorous when in actuality they just torture anyone with two brain cells to rub together. But in the end this franchise will always be for kids who don't give a shit about character appeal/development so even if they turn out garbage in that department they're still raking in the yen from their target demographic.
It's not all that ridiculous, he never trained a day in his life and look how much everyone else improves from proper training
Goku doubled his power level in what was it, 6 days? while traveling to Namek
I'll go ahead and post all of the relevant pages on Goku's age to clear things up for you casuals.
He's fighting the cannon fodder. They even use beam guns, that's how uselesss they are. When was the last time you saw a DBZ alien use technology to fight?
Jaco doesn't count, he's just proves the point
>>133895845 says radditz's powerlevel was 1,500, nappa's powerlevel was 4,000 where as Vegeta's was 18,000.
Puipui was at 18,000 and Zarbon was at 23,000.
We can assume that the scrub level mooks working for freeza are AT MOST in between Radditz and Zarbon, but more likely between Vegeta/Puipui and Zarbon.
This also says that tournament saga goku's power level was 260.
If its a x10 power up, that means Ozzaro goku at the tournament was 2600, he was almost as strong as TWO Radditz or as strong as Rage Gohan who took down raditz.
Not only did Roshi take down tournament era Ozzaru Goku, but he was also successfully fighting people between Raditz and Zarbon. Evidence of them being that strong in that they can fly and use ki unassisted.
Vegeta itself said Oozaru was a x10 power up. Goku wasn't 260 at the 1st tournament. King Piccolo's Power level was 260 and so kid Goku after drinking the super sacred water.
You have the official power chart here>>133895845
Look how Gokus' base power was 10 and then 100 when he became oozaru for 1st time.
Almost everything in your post is wrong. You shouldn't post in Dragon Ball threads. Like, most people in these threads don't know what the fuck they're talking about but you're on a whole different level.
>Evidence of them being that strong in that they can fly and use ki unassisted.
Anon Chaoz could fly with less than 100 power level.
Even Krillin and Yamsha learned how to fly before fucking Goku. Flying is not about the power level but the Ki control.
The movies were garbage. DB super is fleshing out the fights more so that they actually look cool. I expect two Gods to be destroying the universe with their fight, not destroying some cliffs.
Please eat a gun.
THIS LITTLE NOSELESS MIDGET RETARD IS BANGING THIS SUPER HOT ANDROID CHICK AND BASICALLY
it's still bullshit. None of the Zenkai boosts were fucking consistent.
Veggie gets beat up by Goku and Zarbon and goes up a few thousand. He gets beat up by Recoome and all of sudden he's fucking with base form Freeza.
Goku's PL jump is even more insane.
>And goku and vegeta are like "nah. Let's fight androids"
Let's put this in perspective. Piccolo was there and just assumed they were going to be fighting the androids regardless of what was discussed. If the saiyans going full retard post-Freeza is a nod to their own selfishness, Piccolo was right along with their insanity.
Even if no one listened to Bulma, Piccolo should have been the next voice of reason.
Well it was implied the stronger you are the higher the Zenkai boost. Cell went from "I can't even touch Gohan" to "LOL i destroyed your arm with 1 Ki blast".
Vegeta's boost show that pattern. During Namek saga he get 3 boosts:
-After Earth (making him stronger than Dodoria and Zarbon base form)
-After being rekt by Zarbon (making him stronger enough to beat Zarbon)
-After being rekt by Recoom and eating a senzu (From "i can't hurt Reecome" to be able to stand Freezer 1st form)
-After being almost killed by Krillin (from "I can't touch Freezer 2nd form" to "I can see Freezer's final form attacks")
Yes he fucking is.
Fighting enthusiasts make bad heroes. It's a recurring theme in the Android Saga.
Vegeta appreciates Gohan more than Goku does. How sad is that.
Also I hope so, if Toriyama said the half-saiyans are going to be Earth's protectors (RoF) he better start putting some height to that. Also if the anime is closer to his script, then he needs to do something to Gohan after he made him said he also was to do his best to keep Earth safe.
>>Even if no one listened to Bulma, Piccolo should have been the next voice of reason.
Piccolo is the same motherfucker who literally wished to go to Namek to fight Freeza, after only spending a week or so at Kaio. Never mind him, I'm if I'm remembering right Tenshinhan and Kuririn both wanted to fight too and Gohan just went with what his dad and Piccolo would be doing. Bulma was basically alone in her complaints.
>Roshi becomes younger
>gets in the same tier with SSJG
Yay or Nay
>Remember that when Piccolo was teleported to Namek he had a powerlevel of 3500 and him finding Nail and fusing with him was pure luck
>He wanted to go to a planet that was full of people stronger than fucking Nappa when he killed him
Piccolo is even worse than fucking Vegeta.
>Some people have the theory that Veggie only suggested a written test so that Buu will fail and Gohan will have to come, just like Veggie wanted.
That's a stupid theory.
Vegeta put the written test there specifically to get rid of Goku, Mr. Buu won't even make the trip unless Mr. Satan is going along, but I doubt Beerus will put up with Buu's shit either way. If anything, Buu is literally in the tournament to use his magic to help him and Goku cheat.
And Vegeta doesn't even question Goku when Goku states Gohan can't even find his dogi anymore and just studies all the time.
Piccolo somehow managed to make obscene gains while he trained with Kaio. Nail implies that Piccolo was stronger than him. I have no clue how he pulled it off, unless he mastered some permanent version of the Kaioken.
hey why are they retelling the recent ova in Super
can't they just fast forward through this since it was already fine
golden frieza died pretty quickly, are they trying to make him a more threatening villain by telling it again, and letting him live longer
I like how honest Kuririn is being, about them all being comrades due to having to deal with bigger problems and ultimately becoming friends.
Even though Bulma is absolute correct in taking Dr. Gero out ahead of time, due to all the time-fuckery with Future Trunks' time-hopping I'd like to believe that the androids and Cell would have ended up coming out even stronger.
>Krillin looks real baller with Roshi's shades
>Piccolo somehow managed to make obscene gains while he trained with Kaio. Nail implies that Piccolo was stronger than him. I have no clue how he pulled it off, unless he mastered some permanent version of the Kaioken.
Which is why I'll never understand the people who lose their shit when people estimate Piccolo, during the Buu Saga, should have at least been near Perfect Cell's level, unless he hit a wall during those seven years.
Asking for side characters to do something is asking for a lot. The story seems to move well out of its way to downplay Gohan. The rate they power him down at is ridiculous.
>Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, and is the strongest at the Cell games.
>7 years later, Gohan does no training. Is noticeably weaker, but can still goes Super Saiyan 2.
>Buu ends with the mystic boost that puts him at Super Saiyan 3 levels.
>Less than 2 years later, mystic boost seems to be gone, and can barely go Super Saiyan.
>Goku needed 6 months to reach King Kai's Palace
>Trained 6 other months to be "Over 8000!!" and learned Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb
>Gohan, Bulma and Krillin went to Namek after 1 month of Vegeta's battle
>They needed another month to reach namek
>They expent 10 days there till Goku arrived
So you are telling me Piccolo managed to reach King Kai's planet and train enought to be stronger than Nail (+50k power level) in 2 months and 10 days?
it's best not to think about it. Vegeta said Gohan and Krillin were getting stronger rapidly (and it showed, with them making Freeza flinch with ki blasts) when there was no reason for Krillin getting stronger at all after his unlocked potential.
Well, Piccolo was a lot stronger than Goku to begin with. Official sources put him at 3,500, even if you think it's BS, he's at least 2,000. Wouldn't say it's too far-fetched to jump to 42k+. Goku jumped from 400 to 8,000.
>Goku jumped from 400 to 8,000.
How do people still not understand how scouters work?
400 is NOT goku's powerlevel. Most of the Freeza soldiers (aside from Ginyu) knew enough about ki to understand that they can raise their energy at will.
Goku's PL when he went to King Kai was 910
And Piccolo's a Namekian, a race that gets stronger more easily than Saiyans (just look at how he jumped from weaker than base Goku to around a Super Saiyan's level in the android arc).
>And Piccolo's a Namekian, a race that gets stronger more easily than Saiyans (just look at how he jumped from weaker than base Goku to around a Super Saiyan's level in the android arc).
Haha no. Piccolo used the RSoT just as long as Goku and Vegeta and was no where near close to their strength
That was by fusing, and the fact that he had to fuse, train the same amount of time and STILL ended up way weaker in the Cell games proves that Namekians do NOT get stronger faster than saiyans.
In Dragonball, having a teacher has always had WAY more benefits than training solo. The fact Vegeta was as strong as he was before being trained by Whis by doing the equivalent of shadow boxing for years is fucking amazing.
>So you are telling me Piccolo managed to reach King Kai's planet and train enought to be stronger than Nail (+50k power level) in 2 months and 10 days?
It goes without saying, since even Kaio was impressed how fast Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaiotsu and Piccolo all made it there.
But then, remember Goku was, at most, 910 when he died fighting Raditz vs Chaiotsu, Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Yamcha being 610, 3, 500, 1, 830 and 1, 480 respectively, when they traveled Snake Way together to see Kaio.
Putting that aside, Piccolo power boost mainly came from fusing with people, along with having insanely good training partners, the latter which also explains how he was easily wrecking Dr. Gero after the 3 year time-skip, since he literally had a Super Saiyan to spar with for three years.
>Did they really need to add this note?
Dragon Ball is the most entry level anime of all time.
YES, they needed the translator note. You're giving dragon Ball Super fans way too much credit.
Chi Chi gained my dislike for trying to ruin Pan. Gohan, Satan and the sorry excuse of Videl want her to become a fighter. They could be the Saiyaman family. Fuck Chi Chi.
Also, I never liked Goku that much even though I grew up watching DB and only watch Z after I was in 5th grade.
For that I hope the other characters, namely Piccolo, Krillin and his family and the other saiyans will get time to shine in the U6 arc.
What if Champa recruits
girl Goku? or Future Trunks
>Pan is a Super Saiyan God/Blue thing from birth
>Beerus at the end of Super uses powerful version of dragonballs to erase memories of the gods of destruction and other universes
>Pan forgets even how to Super Saiyan and power becomes locked away
>Vegeta and Goku forget their God powers
>Frieza forgets golden form due to it
>They never realize only Vegeta and Goku can SS4 because it's a natural Saiyan God form
>SS4 Gogeta is a True Super Saiyan God
To be honest every character is power down:
>Yamcha is now more useless than Roshi.
>Krillin gave up martial arts.
>Piccolo can't against a Dodoria tier jobber.
>Videl is reduced to a kawaii waifu.
>Vegeta and his female counterpart arguing/fighting over who is true prince/princess of Saiyans >All the Namekians in Champa's universe are women >Android 17 married girl Krillin
>next arc will be a Multiverse Tenkaichi Budokai
don't know if this is true, but dear god please give me Mirai Trunks.
FUCKING PLEASE. Yes he finished his arc perfectly, but that doesn't mean I don't want that based son of a bitch back.
What if it is an alternate timeline that followed a different course. Like maybe there's another universe where Trunks beat the Androids and Cell without having to go back in time.
The character's are as powerful or relevant as much as the writer's give a fuck about them.
They've got nothing for Gohan to do, and him being powerful-ish would ruin the whole Goku and/or Vegeta dynamic of them two saving the world dynamic, so, fuck Gohan, back to the useless character bag for him.
I mean, for as trite as FREEZA RETURNS is as an idea, this could have really been something great. They could have revived the Ginyu Force, given them some bullshit power up, and let the rest of the gang have at them while Goku and Vegeta deal with Freeza. But no, that would have taken some effort, so fuck doing all that.
After Super Saiyan Blue, I gave up on the idea of DBZ Super putting in any effort into anything. I keep being told that this is better than GT, and I'm not buying it, so far.
Resurrection of F was just bullshit all around. Piccolo would have sensed Tagoma and Sorbet coming, seen where their ship landed with his god eyes and killed them long before they had a chance to make a wish. They don't have bullshit magic like Babadi did, they're just a couple of space assholes.
>midget daughter because of his genes
is looks like 18 is fucking tired of her life already.
if the sex wasn't good she would have left a long time ago.
You are making me cry. In the SoL episodes the non Goku and non Vegeta characters can shine, but outside of that nobody has the right to do something useful because they could opaque Goku and Vegeta, just like GT.
That's why I was hoping for at least Piccolo, Gohan and Gotenks to go the universe 6 tournament, because that way they could gain a power up and you know, be the Earth's protectors as Toriyama keeps the characters saying. But no, fuck them, to the useless bag.
Even if Buu can gain a power up I don't fucking care, because I don't fucking care about Buu in the first place. And if this is really following the Z's ending where there were then years of peace and that was the reason Goten, Trunks and Gohan didn't train as Goku said it in the last chapters, then it's retarded. There is no peace in Super, only Vegeta and Goku wanting to test their new awesome powers.
I think she probably has to at this point.
Maybe in Champa's universe, Vegeta wasn't destroyed.
To be honest Marron grew up very fine.
Since the buu saga and Super's RoF could be there only three years and two moths of difference.
So Marron would be 5, Trunks 10, Goten 9 and Pan 1 moth.
You're making an assumption and then getting mad based off of your own assumption.
Besides before Vegeta came in that was basically dragonballs whole format
Everyone Jobs and then goku comes in and saves everyone.
He's been doing it since the beginning. It's probably one of the most consistent dragonball tropes.
Part of me hopes she doesn't grow a nose like her dad.
Also part of me wants krillin and 18 to at least teach her the basics of martial arts.
I know both parts will go unsatisfied.
They could have been in the other side of the fucking planet, Gohan and Piccolo cant use instant transmission and we know from Buu and Cell saga that the world is a big place and it takes long to fly from place to place.
>You're making an assumption and then getting mad based off of your own assumption
Or maybe I am just assuming the story will follow the tropes of the two previous movies. And to be honest even when Goku kicked the villain's ass, the other always got a change to help, here is everyone is a joke from the start, Goku is the only one that can get the shit done.
We already know what Marron looks like when she's 13.
Don't ruin her more than Toriyama has done. Nose Marron is god tier. And no, no Goku and Vegeta can show interest in martial arts.
Ok, what I wanna know is will Gohan turn SS in DBS?
Because so far he's been wearing really stupid clothes and get-up, it's pathetic really the way DBS portrays even slightly nerdy characters. Literal asian-DADCORE tier.
>200 years into the future
>18 is senpai to the neo Z-fighters
>stays distant because she knows she'll have to watch them all die