Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1303

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

http://strawpoll.me/6069598

>>133836472
You posted it early this time. Good job.

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>>133836467
おお、身が震える。魂が叫ぶ。これが歓喜か、これが恐怖か！ 私は今、生きているッ！

Is it worth having an anki account?

What do you guys do about transitive and intransitive verbs? Do you keep track of which ones are transitive or not? I realize that my understanding can get messed up if I don't realize whether its transitive or not in certain context ..

誰もが傷つき　痛みを背負って
誰かを傷つけ　ひた走る

>>133836760
Maybe if you use it on your phone but I just do manual backups

>>133836760
I use it to sync with my phone, so I'd say yes. It takes two seconds to sign up for an account, so I don't see what harm it could do.

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>>133831851

>>133836850
lmao

>>133836787
All of us harts anyone.
Anyone aching pain anymore.
And we cut someone's hearts.
Otherwise they can not stop anytime.

わたしのえいごはひどいです

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
The only way to do great work is to love what you do.

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愛羅武勇

>>133822646
What's this? Is it some anki plugin? I want it.

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>>133837602
Kanji Grid

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>>133837655
Thanks. I've made mine.

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What's an effective way to study kanji?
Is just using an anki deck good?
Is it worth it to familiarize myself with radicals first or would that be a waste of time?

>>133838103
Read moar.

>>133836787
It's not worth spending time on, that's the sort of thing that will come naturally from just reading more. Even when talking to Japanese people they aren't gonna care if you write を決まる instead of を決める. That said there are some general rules of thumb that are worth learning, just know that they'll be wrong often enough.

>>133838103
Learn from vocab. Read.

>>133837655
Does the field have to contain the word "kanji"? If that's the case then I can't use it because it will conflict with another add-on I'm using. Too bad because I also want to see how many Kanji I have.

>>133838144
>>133838155
I can't read. That's why I'm asking.

>>133837062
俺の衛護もひどいです

>>133838162
You can change which field name it uses.

>>133838103
>Is just using an anki deck good?
>Is it worth it to familiarize myself with radicals first or would that be a waste of time?
"It depends", try it and see what you like.

oh wow with an account I can study online anki, that's pretty cool

>>133838147
Not him, but wouldn't using を with an intransitive verb just be grammatically incorrect? that seems like something you'd want to avoid

>>133838162
You just put the name of the field before generating the list.

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>>133838203
>>133838262
Thanks

I just started and this is confusing me a bit.
たくさん means a lot.
多い means many.

Is the difference on which one is used in a sentence like much and many? If it can't be counted, たくさん, if it can, 多い?

Same with 見つかる and 見つける。Both means find but the former for physical objects and the last for non physical. eg. I found my liver for the former and I found my dignity for the latter?

>>133838718
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1325928873

>>133838718
Read more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNuJt1K45A

I made this 4u /djt/

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>>133838718
英語みたいに、文法の都合で　many が使えないからa lot of を使うみたいな規則はないとおもうよ。

Reading the guide is hard

>>133838718
たくさん is a na-adjective
多い is an i-adjective
they don't correspond to english "much" and "many" at all

雨が多い - There is a lot of rain.
人が多い - There are many people.
ケーキをたくさんたばた - Ate a lot of cake.
etc.

見つかる and 見つける are different in that one is transitive and one is intransitive.

ケーキが見つかる - Cake was found.
ケーキを見つける - I found a cake.

So I just started memorizing katakana and it's going good but I thought of something.
Words in japanese that have repeats like peach.
Are both 桃　and 　もも　acceptable?
The former I got off google translate to test it myself but the latter would still translate to peach so I'm really confused.

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>>133837655
It's a really efficient way to pinpoint weak spots. Thanks.

>>133839099
kana are just more popular for some words even if those words have kanji

has nothing to do with repeats

>>133839099
モモでもいいよ。後ろのモを高音で発音してね。おにいちゃん

>も↑も↓　家禽のモモ（腿）の肉のこと
>も↓も↑　桃のこと

>>133838907
Brilliant.

>>133838825
>>133839089
Thanks, I think I am getting it.
多い can't be used as adjective.
So I can't say 多い人 but I can say たくさんの人 or use it as part of a sentence not directly modifying the noun.

Saying which was transitive/intransitive cleared it up for me.

>>133838828
Will do.

>>133838921
I couldn't decipher your post but I'm guessing its a jab at English speakers grammar?

>>133838907
You did good.

>>133838921
ところで、「大いに」という言葉もあるけど、それは別に使われてないと聞いた？方言によってかも？

>>133839594
>I couldn't decipher your post but I'm guessing its a jab at English speakers grammar?

Unlike English there's no rule like, you can't use "many" here, therefore you have to use "a lot of".

>>133838907
9/10 You lose a point because my autism is reacting to those lost opportunities where the sub could have matched the dub.

>>133839638
>大いに
方言ではないとおもうよ、だれでも通じそう。
これは、ちょっと古文ちっくな単語で、くっつくことができる単語がかなり少ない感じだとおもうよ。
>大いに結構・大いに歓迎
古文？の「なり」が真ん中に付いて
>大いなる遺産・大いなる始祖
みたいな形でつかわれるとおもうよ。さんこうになるかな？おにいちゃん

>>133839280
じゃあ、じぶんのあしのももをどう発音すればいい

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JLPT N1 practice test start!

see you in 3 hours

holy shit using anki in browser
studying Japanese has never been this easy

>>133839816
うん、サンクス
参考になった

言語交換の相手は聞いたことがなかったからちょっと気になった

>>133839983
What's the difference?

>>133839960
Good luck Anon.

>>133840171
Probably the fact that he can use rikai

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>>133839920
発音で区別せずに「ふともも」と、二文字を頭につけるよ！おにいちゃん

でもこれも省略して「もも」が使えて、も↑も↓か、抑揚のないも↓も↓で発音するとおもうよ。
>ももパーン・ももパン
太ももを、竹刀とか、ローキック、グーパンチとかでひっぱたくこと
>もも筋
太ももあたりの筋肉のこと、人間以外にもたまに使う

>>133840397
なるほど
丁寧に答えてくれてありがとう

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What's the deal with some words having an apostrophe mark when romanized? What are they supposed to represent?

I feel like my reading speed is picking up noticeably.

It's still very slow (partially on account of the fact that I'm adding words to anki and still check DoJG on occasion), but there are more and more pages where I can click as soon as they're done speaking, and don't even need to glance at the text hooker. There were actually a few lines where the address of the text had changed and the text hooker wasn't doing its job, and I didn't even notice.

Though on the topic of text parsers, I think that the furigana features get an undeserved bad wrap. If you're looking to improve your listening skills (which you obviously should be; even if you never watch shows, you're bound to run into voiced lines with no text sooner or later), following the furigana as they speak is great.

>>133841094
みな:mina
みんあ:min'a

>>133841094
To distinguish between な に ぬ ね の and んあ んい んう んえ んお.

I was thinking last night in bed, wouldn't it be great if kanji used dakuten and handakuten to show when their reading is changed in jukugo

Like 頃 for ころ and 頃" for ごろ, or 時 and 時" etc

Feel like it would be a pretty simple way to make kanji readings a bit easier, not that it's that much of a problem in the grand scheme of things

>>133841406

The issue is that the Japanese themselves have no reason to give a shit, because they know which one is in use.

And as you get better, you lose reasons to give a shit, too.

>>133841216
Wouldn't that usually be just minna? And in the example I posted, she doesn't even say it as unnei, it's just unei.

I've never seen the apostrophe mark mentioned anywhere, and I see it used extremely rarely.

>>133841406
That'll happen right after they abolish katakana and consolidate Kanji readings.

I'm a complete beginner, and all of this is kinda overwhelming.

I read the start-up guide, but where EXACTLY should I start? I'm a bit confused.

>>133841470
This. The Japanese are not going to change their ancient fucking language so some gaijins can learn it easier. It's so autistic to think that they would

>>133841570
The start-up guide says EXACTLY where you should start, kana.

>>133841406
You have to remember that for a native the normal process is knowing the spoken word before knowing how to write it. By the time they learn to write the dakuten is pointless since they already know the pronunciation by heart.

>>133841552
It says un'ei and not unei because it's うんえい not うねい

>>133841406
The pronunciation shifts are immediately obvious in dialogue, though.

I don't think I've ever run into a new word where I've gone "oh, if I knew that せ was a ぜ, I would have recognised it".

I can only see them being a minor problem for people who are stupid enough to learn the language entirely through text without listening.

>>133841570

It tells you where to start, dipshit. Try actually reading it.

>all of this is kinda overwhelming

And stop with the drama. I swear, short of teammates fucking up team assignments with their bullshit (which is admittedly on a whole other level), nothing is more annoying in a learning environment than idiots timidly going on about how intimidated they are. Just put your nose to the grindstone and get to work.

狼男
狼人間
人狼

Fuck sake, Japs, make your mind up.

>>133841707
>wolfman
>werewolf
>lycanthrope
For fucks sake, England, make your mind up.

>>133841665
Ah, now I get the logic. I don't know why I didn't figure it out sooner.

>>133841552
みな mina
みんな minna
みんあ min'a

ps. みんあ is not a real word, that anon just made it up to show the difference.

>>133841741
I'm pretty sure wolfman (which is really not in use anymore) was just an Americanism used in some cheesy, old horror movies, and lycanthrope is loaned from Greek (and is also seldom used).

>>133841741

Beat me to it.

Synonyms are common in both English and Japanese. We even have guides specifically dedicated to them, called "thesauruses". They're a common aid for writers looking to spice up their language.

Since Tae Kim's grammar stuff is out of order when it comes to his youtube videos and his website, which order is better to follow?

Why have words for numbers if you're going to use different words when you talk about numbers of different things?

>>133841758
みなさま
みなのもの
みなのしゅう
みなさまがた
みなみなさま

とにかく日本語は・・・歴史が長いよ。おにいちゃん

>>133841840
And 狼男 and 狼人間 are just "wolf" with "man" or "person" after them, making them effectively identical anyway, requiring absolutely no memorisation.

人狼 is literally just a spergy literary term in much the same way lycanthrope is, using onyomi to make the whole concept of wolf-people seem tied to Japanese mythology in some way.

>>133841880
Japanese: The Manga Way, then start the DoJG deck. The first will properly introduce you to Japanese using actual native sources and the latter will help more than anything else in the short term.

>>133841613

So just grind all the characters out until I have them memorized?

>>133841966
So ignore Tae Kim? And should I prioritize the DOJG deck over the starter core deck?

>>133841886
You're making no sense. You still use the same old numbers when counting anything, you just put a counter beside it.

>>133842013
Just the kana for now, when you're done with that it's time to think seriously about how you're going to go about learning vocab, kanji and grammar.

>>133841880
Ignore videos, do the written guide.

>>133841925
>using onyomi to make the whole concept of wolf-people seem tied to Japanese mythology in some way
Wouldn't you want to avoid onyomi to make something seem more native to Japan?

>>133842037
The reading is different.

>>133842178
No anon, it's not.

>>133842194
一　
一つ
一日

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>わーちょる

Is that meant to be some retarded sleeping SFX or something?

>>133842222
一
onyomi: ichi
kunyomi: hito

Every single counter word combined with 一 uses one of those. Typically on'yomi when the counter is in on'yomi and kun'yomi when the counter is in kun'yomi. The same can be said for every other number.

一歩: いち＋ぽ(on'yomi) = いっぽ
一袋: ひと＋ふくろ(kun'yomi)＝ひとふくろ

ついたち is ateji, it comes from 月立ち. いちにち is also a word and it uses on'yomi+on'yomi too.

>>133842338
行間からなんとなくわかるとは思うけれど
「わかっているわｘ２」（どこかの方言・多分、博多とかの方）だよ。おにいちゃん

>>133842338
わかっておる（＝分かっている）　→　わかっとる　→　わーっとる　→　わーちょる
　

>>133842422
>>133842338
>>133842441
Thanks imouto, fucking dialect slang. I thought the ずっとこんままだったら幸せ line was the guy saying it'd be good if she was always like that, and the 寝るなコイツ was saying "oh she's sleeping" or something. Was I wrong?

>review cards tagged as leech
>どうぞ is in here

What the fuck was I doing?

>>133841758
You're right, I should have picked a better example.

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Just started learning earlier today.

I've got vowels, k's and s's memorized so far in Hirigana.

This is a daunting task ahead of me.

>>133842371
>一歩: いち＋ぽ
*いち＋ほ

Is there a place I can find a list of Japanese onomatopoeia?

>>133842775
But it's いつ+ほ there.

suspend leeches or leave them be?

>>133842774
Faggot you can learn kana while taking a shit. You haven't strarted anything yet.

>>133842823
True, just add itsu to that readings list in my post and it's fixed.

>>133842812
Several, but none of them are comprehensive.

>>133842774
It took me a few days to get through hiragana, and a few weeks of doing readings before I stopped mixing one up every now and then. Don't stress over it.

>>133842883
Leave them.

>>133843578
or we'll never make it

>>133843578
Even if I were to unleech them regularely?

>>133843656
Just make it not suspend them in the first place.

>>133843804
Too stupid for that.

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>>133836886
Thanks

>>133841607
They should have changed it to use the Latin alphabet like with Vietnamese. MacArthur dropped the ball on that one.

>>133841869

I bought the world's worst thesaurus the other day. Not only was it awful but it was also awful.

>>133844118
Japan was already quite literate. If their country had the illiteracy levels of Vietnam, there would have been more of a push

Then again... that doesn't explain why China still uses their shitty system.

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>>133839960
Done, got 140/180

Thanks for preparing me for this test DJT, pic related

>>133844187
Because tradition. Although the communists raped most of their tradition so maybe you have a point

>>133844324
how many years to read that

>>133844356
I'm that guy >>133799832 >>133800070 >>133800285
so 3 1/2 years for me

>There are fags among us that don't like Yotsuba.

>>133844174
>buying a thesaurus
Did it come with a quill pen and a typewriter?

>>133844324
待て、どこでその練習テストを見つけたか
私はJLPTのサイトに１０質問クイズだけを見つけた、JLPTの練習の本があること知らなかった。私の不明なヨーロッパ国にそんな本があるかな。

>>133844446
Shit, are you a NEET?

>>133844549
Literally said in one of the posts he had a full time job

What's the difference between the way characters pronoun's are written? Take 俺/おれ/オレ for example. Is it just stylistic choice on the mangaka's part, or is it meant to reflect their personality somehow?

>>133844586
Oh woops.

Take it as a compliment...

>>133844485
He was making a joke

>>133844513
>JLPTのサイトに１０質問クイズ
Those questions are what they put as examples in the test sections, the actual questions are significantly harder.

>>133841758
>みんあ is not a real word
kek'd

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What does 何がじゃあだ mean?

>>133844613
I don't get jokes.

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>>133844616

>>133844638
何が「じゃあ」だ聞け
>>133844660
http://okwave.jp/qa/q864597.html

>>133844513
It's from this book

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4872178025/ref=pe_492632_169829912_TE_M3T1_dp_4

>hurr durr, paying money for books, etc

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>>133844638
"Well then, save me and I'll do you the favor of playing with you today"

"What do you mean "well then"? (rhetorical question )Listen!"

Good taste anon.

>>133844751
Good afternoon!

>>133844751
>inb4 long and pointless argument because of the ayn rand book

>>133844832
Heh, I never finished that one. It's boring as shit.

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>>133844751

>>133844688
>http://okwave.jp/qa/q864597.html
Where's みんあ?

>>133844660
It's how some people pronounce it. You would never write it, but "it" exists in some dialects.

>>133844961
lmao baktrackin

>>133844875
Sorry, I just jumped in and misread

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>>133844978
>two different responses are the same person

Sup

What to do on (very) slow days like this? I tried taking breaks, rushing through, focusing on the kanji to find mnemonics...

End result is a painful again count of147 (64.1% correct) with 220 cards due tomorrow.

>>133845328
Just believe in yourself.

>>133844324
while checking my wrong answers, I realized that I made a mistake when marking one question, so it's actually 143/180

>>133845328
Forgot the picture, showing off my 410 words in 80 minutes.

>>133844961
Care to mention one of those dialects? I never heard it pronounced or written like that. The な at the end is always very, for lack of a better word, pronounced.

>>133844324
What do you need to pass?

>>133845552
I hear it in my dialect characters in my japanese animes!

全部あなたが平民だ。笑

>>133845554
For N1 it's
-at least 19/60 points in each section and
-at least 100/180 total

>>133845593
You have shitty hearing.

>>133845628
There's a huge difference between an あ and a な, dude

>>133845662
Hence why your hearing has to be very shitty to confuse them.

>>133845678
That's why normal speech is different from particular dialects, right? Oh wait

>>133845613
That's a bit lenient...

>>133845702
It's harder than you'd think, because the real test weighs scores, so questions fewer people got right are worth more, while questions that everyone got are worth almost nothing

>>133845700
Show me one instance of みんあ and I'll happily admit you're right and walk away with a little bit more knowledge in my pocket. As it stands everything leads me to assume you're just mishearing things.

>>133845745
Isn't that more or less how J-CAT works? I remember reading something similar about their evaluation method on their site

>drag and drop gelbooru pictures from chrome to my desktop
>somehow bugs out
>files stuck here
>can't delete them or move them because windows tells me they don't exist

あの．．．何だか

>>133845801
J-cat increases the difficulty when you get a question right and decreases it when you get them wrong, until it's found your level, then stops there when it's reasonably sure that level is correct (and not just lucky answers)

>>133845801
J-CAT is different. It benchmarks your general skill level with a wide difficulty of questions and then hones in by giving you questions that are increasingly narrow in level. That's part of why it's strictly computerized and uses a plugin instead of being a list of questions on a page.

>>133845858
try ctrl f5
try doing it from explorer
try doing it from terminal
try checking their permissions
try closing web browser
try rebooting

>>133845858
Thanks for that very pertinent on-topic post.

>>133845858
Mom is gonna flip!

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>>133845858
>Windows
You got what you deserved.

>>133845858
>right clic
>actualisation
poof they indeed wasn't there

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>>133845900
でも日本語は話した、いいじゃないですか？

>>133845896
>try ctrl f5
何も起きない
>try doing it from explorer
何も起きない
>try doing it from terminal
出来ない。誰か説明してください
>try checking their permissions
>try closing web browser
>try rebooting
何も起きない

>>133846079
上と同じ


さらに、何ら文法の違いを教えて下さい

>>133836714
ghey as fuck

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>>133846301
ググるな、だよ。おにいちゃん

>>133846346
あ、どうも*

クソキーボード

>>133846346
なんでまだ美雨に付き合ってあげるんだろう、その子たち

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>implying anyone could stay faithful in a long distance relationship for years without physical contact

does she live in an anime world

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>>133846346
どうしてそのロリは他のロリをいじめるの？

>>133846698
Well somebody has to cause the aging population issue.

>>133846698
>>implying anyone could stay faithful in a long distance relationship for years without physical contact
I can tho

>>133846461
おっとっと

*美羽

>>133846698
It's fine if you touch yourself often enough.

>>133846698
>implying anyone could stay faithful
Staying faithful is absolutely possible unless you're a bad human. Staying with that person and not calling it all off due to the stress it causes is another story.

>>133846837
Until you meet some other girl that's cute and wants your dick. At that point she's going to be completely irrelevant.

>>133845858
Restore a backup.

>>133846919
Oh, is that what it is? My last relationship was extremely stressful because it was a courtship (klek), but my current long distance relationship is perfectly fine. Maybe it's because of my ASD or how I was raised, I don't know, but having no physical contact doesn't stress me out.
>>133846979
>girl

>>133846698
Brief description please.

>>133846919
Staying faithful is the easiest fucking thing ever. It requires you to do nothing. Literally nothing.

>>133847133
Just like not fapping right?

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>>133847027
>be me
>system bluescreens
>reboot
>it wants to run startup repair
>o...k...?
>let it happen
>takes like eight hours but it finishes
>log on
>literally every single last .exe or .dll file on my entire disk that wasn't part of the OS was deleted
>spend several days hunting down ancient esoteric programs that it deleted
>backups of mods to old games that nobody else had anymore, gone to time

>three months later
>windows update completely disabled
>routine reboot
>windows is installing updates
>check leddit on laptop
>windows 7 spyware craze
>pull the plug
>install linux on free space on disk
>never look back (except to update PSO2 because the guy who wrote the launcher is a tool and made it not run in WINE)

>>133847050
>having no physical contact doesn't stress me out.
That's a very beneficial trait to have in a long distance relationship, but there are other things that can toll on you. Just existing in the same room as them is comforting.

>>133847133
That's apparently incredibly difficult for normies. They'd rather betray trust, lie, and juggle relationships for no reason other than to have a variety of people to sleep with, which is pure greed.

>>133847133
Most normal people would have difficulties with it, in this kind of scenario.

The thought of having to wait for years, and sacrificing other potential relationships in an effort to remain "faithful" and in the end come out with something that might not even be rewarding, isn't a very attractive option in my opinion. Just too many points of failure on both sides.

>>133847190
It's your own fault for absorbing malware like a fucking sponge.

>>133847190
>be me
>play games
>use programs
>windows crashes
>THAT'S IT I'M DONE
>switch to linux
>computer doesn't crash
>can't do anything on it though

>>133847133
I like how normies say "just be happy" "just do it" but apparently not fucking random people is the hardest thing ever

>>133847308
implications

The windows 7 spyware crazy is about a sometimes-forced update that puts the win 10 "telemetry" features into win 7

>>133847225
Hey, I haven't touched another human being in years and I'm perfectly fine. Humans aren't some monkeys who need to constantly be polishing each other's bums to survive.

>>133847346
None of that shit was actually forced if you checked what you were installing, like a sane person.

>>133847364
Normies disagree with you. Their entire existence and self-worth is based around validation, mostly from strangers.

>>133847412
Windows updates were 100% completely disabled and lo and behold it was forcibly updating the telemetry updates. I checked online and it happened to at least three other people as well.

You can't trust proprietary software to not do things you tell it not to do, you know.

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>>133846698
lmao maybe she does

>>133847464
I get my validation by shitposting on 4chan and then complaining to my IRCs when someone does something mean.

>>133841707
>>133841741
>kingly
>royal
>regal
Darn it Anglos, make up your mind.

>>133847497
Your dad probably installed them after hunting for porn on your pc.

>>133847612
Get to it.

>>133847561
Blame the Normans.

K'ning is the "real" english word for king, though.

Anyways, those three words have different meanings.

Kingly -> like a king, specifically
Royal ->
>>133847612
0) Before you do ANYTHING, install Load Balancer
1) Disable new cards, enable leech suspension
2) Do as many reps as possible between your two decks, take that number and split it between the two decks as your daily reps limit
3) Do your reps like this until you've hit a point where you have a reasonably low number of new cards
4) Re-enable new cards and start unsuspending leeches (don't unsuspend them all at once or you'll have to do this all over again); You can disable leech suspension if you want but I really recommend to keep it on for a week until you get back into your groove

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>>133847412

>>133847805
That's just windows 10, mate.

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>>133846698
Well shit

>>133848008
>あなたを??めました

>>133848176
>彼はその漢字を知らない
その漢字は日本語を勉強する人に一番大切な漢字だ。

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>>133845745
So the best strategy is to make sure everyone else who takes the test is an idiot.

That explains all those "JLPT is so easy"-posts.

>>133848296
辞める?? That's what I thought but it doesn't look the same.

>>133848364
Not really, it redistributes using statistics

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>>133848399
いい餌だったね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmEAYVKDymk

>>133848478
Oh, I remember now!

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>>133848634
And then faggots criticize me for being obsessed in learning the radicals and how to hand-write properly.

>>133848760
To be fair I have yet to learn the Kanji properly through reps.

>>133848760
Learning the radicals is pretty much necessary unless you're a savant.

There really needs to be a better resource for components out there, though. 肉 turns into 月 or a four-stroked 夕 when used as a component.

>>133849268
>not being a savant
hello reddit

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>>133849268
>肉 turns into 月 or a four-stroked 夕 when used as a component.
胸
肺
腑
背
骨
臓
脊
筋
腮
祭

MIND FUCKING BLOWN

>>133849693
Don't forget 然.

"thing in the flesh"

>>133849693
You only now realized there was a correlation between 月 and body elements?

>>133849664
What?

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>>133849790

>>133849838
>don't post memes

>>133849838
I don't understand, who is reddit?

>>133849751
>"thing in the flesh"
RTK shitter detected

>>133849865
RTK uses "sort of thing"

>>133849865
You mean RTK patrician?

>>133849930
No, he's referring to the tradition of using RTK as toiletpaper (which it's really great for)

>>133849969
epic

日本語，簡稱日語，其文字称为日文，是一種主要為日本列島上大和族所使用的語言。雖然日本并沒有在法律上明確規定其官方語言，但是各种法令[註 2]都规定了要使用日语，在学校教育中作为国语教授的也是日语。日語是日本的公用語言是不爭的事實。

You should be able to read this.

Will you give me some advice?

>>133850183
Negative.

>>133850330
Don't start eating excessive amounts of junkfood.

>>133850183
I'm native and what is this?

Learning radicals hasn't helped me one bit. I can't recognize them in kanji. If anything it gives me more to remember.

>>133850580
True dat. Radicals are part of why the learning system in JapWorld is so shitty and obsolete. Only learn kanji as it relates to vocabulary.

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>>133849930
RTShit.

>>133850580
That's prolly cuz you used kanjidamage radicals

>>133850690
Try writing. You might not need but natives sure as hell do.

>>133850580
>I can't recognize them in kanji
Are you dyslexic?

>>133850869
No, but they're all fucking distorted and their lines covering each others.

>>133848364
Only idiots pay real money for a shitty "fill in the blanks" test, so yeah, if you're borderline competent, it's going to be easy

>>133850832
>natives need writing
Not in this century, gramps.

>>133851278
No one is THAT uncultured, right?

>N-N1 is easy guys, I swear
Fucking please, only a few guys in this thread can actually pass it.

>>133850961
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByPC8YrEafw8NmtPcUo3MnczUTg/

>>133851278
ワープロバカです先輩

>>133851364
Y-yeah b-but I don't want to pass it anyway

>>133842883
Work hard but most importantly work smart.

>>133851399
何

>>133851508
Hard work is always smart.

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>>133850491
>>133850557

>>133851622
Not if you're banging your head into a brick wall repeatedly

>>133850183
I can figure out the first sentence.

>Japanese, also known as 日語, and in 其文字 as 日文, is the principle language of the Japanese archipelago and the Yamato people.

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>>133850183
I can.

Learning Chinese is suffering.
Six years and I'm still rather bad at it.

>>133851880
Why on earth would you learn spanish

>>133850183
The Japanese language, Japanese in short, is the main language used by the different races of people living on the island. Even though Japanese is not the official language by law, various laws have ruled that Japanese must be used, and in school the national language used for teaching is also Japanese. It is an undisputed fact that Japanese is the lingua franca of Japan.

>>133851992
>spanish
Freudian slip

>>133850183
ribenyu, jiancheng riyu, qi wenzi chengwei riwen, shi yizhong zhuyao wei riben liedaoshang dahezu suo shiyong de yuyan. suiran riben bing meiyou zai falüshang mingque guiding qi guanfangyuyan, danshi gezhong faling [zhu2] dou guidingle yao shiyong riyu, zai xuexiao jiaoyuzhong zuowei guoyu jiaoshou de ye shi riyu. riyu shi riben de gongyong yuyan shi bu zheng de shishi.

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>>133837655
I'm using All in One Kanji and this doesn't seem to be working for me. I know for sure I've seen all the Grade 1-3 cards but this seems to be omitting a bunch of them.

>>133851364
I can read shit I want to read, and watch stuff I want to watch

Whether I can pass an arbitrary fill-in-the-blanks test is irrelevant and I look down on people wasting their time and money attempting it.

>>133852004
>races
Woah. It's the current year

>>133852004
>Japanese is the lingua franca of Japan
I think they're using the term "lingua franca" wrong.

>>133851992
>Why on earth would you learn spanish

I was young and foolish. Don't make my mistake.

>>133852089
I kind of skimmed it really

>>133852122
Can you explain how Chinese works?

>>133852200
It has no grammar

Joke of a language

>>133852200
What part of it?

>>133852004
Almost right. The second part of the first sentence is closer to "is a language primarily used by the Yamato people (The Japanese people) on the Japanese archipelago."

>>133852254
>It has no grammar
Wow! Sounds perfect for me. Maybe I'll switch to 中国語

>>133852267
The basics, as if you were to say Japanese has kana and kanji, some grammar rules close to english and some completely esoteric etc.

>>133852344
Oh, I don't know these vocab because I don't have much experience with using chinese to describe japanese things

「マコちゃんと春ちゃんのお弁当で、決定的な違いを発見！」

whyyyyyyyyyy

why is the final decision wrong

what the fuck kind of idiom is that

>>133852092
公用语言 is literally "public language" (official language). Lingua franca is usually 通用语.

>>133852572
違い means difference

>>133852060
It only finds kanji in fields called "kanji", maybe that's why.

>>133852060
>All in One Kanji
>202 total unique kanji
Yeah, you are doing something wrong

>>133852471
I see you also accidentally left out "其文字称为日文", that states that Japanese characters/the Japanese written language are/is known as 日文.

>>133852667
I still don't get it one bit.

>>133852572
>a conclusive difference was found
>the final decision (is) wrong
Learn how to parse words. 決定的 doesn't mean 決定, in the same way that decisive doesn't mean decision.

>>133852572
>決定的な違いを発見
Found a definite difference

>>133851598
A "textbook" font where the radicals don't always touch like display fonts do.

>>133852572
When you look at mako-chan's and haru-chan's lunch boxes, a definite different appears.
There is a definite difference between the lunch boxes of mako-chan and haru-chan.
って感じ

最終的解決というわけではないよ

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>>133852927
>>133852954
fuck thank you WHY IS IT SO HARD THEN BECOMES SO SIMPLE AHHHHHHHHHHH

>>133852603
It's explicitly stated that it's not the official language like a sentence before

>>133852866
Actually, I purposely left it out because it can't be properly translated. But oh no, you've made such a brilliant translation haven't you?

>Japanese characters/the Japanese written language are/is known as 日文.

Holy shit you're so fucking good at chinese please teach me sensei goddamn you're smart as fuck hahahahahhahashahahahahahahhahaa eat my shit you moron

HOW CAN YOU EVEN WRITE IN SUCH A SMUG AND STUCK-UP WAY AS YOU POST SUCH A HALF-ASSED TRANSLATION WAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA I'M LOSING MY SHIT AT 3 IN THE MORNING おやすみ

>>133853004
You'll get better over time, just keep calm and try and analyse every part before you jump to conclusions and get confused. Hindsight is 20/20.

>>133852391
SVO language like English. Constituents are decided by word order.
Words has no inflection at all.
Uses aspect instead of tense.
Has four phonematic tones. Using the wrong tone is akin to pronouncing a word using /d/ instead of /t/.

Instead of having voiced / unvoiced consonants (/d/ vs /t/ Chinese has unvoiced / aspirated consonants (/t/ vs /tʰ/)
Seven basic vowels that can be combined into diftongs and trithongs (or glide+vowel depending on how you look at it).
The potential vowel combinations + tone makes for a staggering number of different vowel sounds you need to be able to differentiate between.

etc,,

>>133852572
決定的 is an adjective, meaning "definite/decisive", 　違い means "difference" and 発見 means "found". So, "(I) found a definite difference between Mako chan and Haru chan's bentos"

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Hey, has anyone try reading the japanese yahoo answers? I wonder if I can get fluent if I read these all day for a year.

>>133853015
How would you say "this guy has no chill" in Japanese?
冷静がない奴か、これ？

>>133852254
Same could be said for Japanese.

>>133853088
>Chinese has unvoiced / aspirated consonants (/t/ vs /tʰ/)
Explanation for EOPs like me: Aspiration is like having an unvoiced mora after the consonant. English doesn't differentiate on it at all, so an unvoiced consonant can be aspirated or unaspirated at will. Chinese differentiates on the aspiration rather than the voicing. So in english:


(g) (k kʰ)

Wheras in chinese:

(g k) (kʰ)

I want Chink posters to slit their throats.

>>133853161
这家伙一点都不冷静

こいつぜんぜん冷徹じゃない

I'm more sure of one of these than the other. Hopefully someone will correct me when I wake up tomorrow

>>133853183
It could, but it would be retarded

Chinese literally has no conjugation, or cases, or particles, or gender, or anything.

>>133853266
I'll slit yours first white devil

>>133853272
Japanese technically has limited conjugation as well if you don't use the retarded gaijin model.

>>133853213
I think this is proof that Finns are mongols.

>>133853328
unfortunately the finns are a uralic people

>>133853015
I think the fact that you took it that way says a lot more about you than it says about me. I thought you had just forgotten that part, or perhaps didn't understand it, so I tried to help out. If you're so afraid of having other people chime in on your translations, you shouldn't post them publicly. Or perhaps you should just stop taking yourself so seriously.

>>133853402
Maybe you shouldn't have acted so smug while posting a translation USING WORDS FROM THE OTHER LANGUAGE. Or maybe I'm thinking too much into it. Either way I apologise and I'm going to finish my reps then off to bed for me.

chinpo

haha, chinpo

>>133844856

What pretty hair.

>>133853213
What makes this shit so difficult is that you have are series of phonemes like these:
/t͡sʰ/ /t͡s/ /s/
The first /t͡sʰ/ is pronounced like a /t/ going into an /s/. What you do for this is creating a sharp wind tunnel directed at your teeth. This creates a sharp sound, which is what the Chinks are listening for when they differentiate this compared to its unaspirated partner /t͡s/.
For /t͡s/ you need to somewhat block the sharp airflow from going against your teeth compared to how you articulated the former sound.

Problem is that /s/ in itself can sound very much like /t͡sʰ/ for the untrained, the /t/ is very subtle at times and the /s/ can be very sharp.

>turn off new cards for a few days
>retention rate starts dropping
What the fuck.

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>中国について話している
This is worse than autistic arguments last week.

>>133854928
Japanese study naturally attracts filthy chinks who hate themselves and their awful country.

>>133855048
YOU WHO WOULD DESECRATE THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN

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/djt/は可愛い宇宙人を結婚しませんか？

>>133855314
受精して義務を取らない。

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>>133855266
Stop talking shit and get back to work.

>>133853151
読みたい気分になった。恋愛相談のカテゴリ－は面白い。
http://chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/dir/list/d2078675272

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What compelling content are you consuming now /djt/?

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>>133857815
The last few pages of the seventh volume of Kill Me Baby

>tfw will only have the monthly magazine left to read it until the next volume comes out

>>133857815
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

>>133857815
Overwatch

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Are you up to the task, DJT?

https://quizlet.com/50102059/flash-cards/

Word of the day: 腹八分（腹八分目とも）

日本人の長寿の秘訣だとでも言うんですよね
そういうところは大変関心してます

When you first started reading raw manga, did you refer to the translated version after reading a page or did you just accept the fact that you could be completely off with how you interpreted what you read?

>>133857987
reanimation > hybrid theory > meteora > the hunting party

>>133858464
First one. Read entire chapter raw > Read it in English (takes like 2 minutes, kinda disheartening) > comparing the parts I didn't understand

>>133858464
The latter.

Aside from which, the translator could be just as horribly off as I am.

>>133858464

I used to read the translated version if possible then slowly stopped.

>>133858468
I was joking anon, I actually prefer it when my ears don't bleed.

>>133858730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS-YeNElks8 tho

>>133858783
i think you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09dziIwzxI

>>133858277
That picture looks like a shit source.
They couldn't even spell ローマ字 correctly.

>>133858464
Neither.

>>133858277
>こいんちは

>>133858163
forced to read japanese shit because i still can't play overwatch babyrage

>>133858360
>関心

>>133859551
ごめんなさい、これからもっと気をつけます

もちろん、「感心」のつもりでした

>>133851111

N3 and better are recognized by employers.

In terms of probability, your chances of passing a multiple choice test with four answers per question when you don't know shit quickly becomes worse than winning the super lotto. Even repeated cases of 50/50 quickly start looking bad for you, because your odds of getting them all correct is 0.5 (50%) * 0.5 (25%) * 0.5 (12.5%) * 0.5 (6.25%)..., not just a plain 50%. You have to know what you're doing in order to pass.

There's really nothing stupid about taking the JLPT.

>N3 is nothing.

N3 would be for shit like a chef at a western-style restaurant or an employee at the American embassy. Having people on hand who speak a little Japanese is better than having people on hand who speak no Japanese.

Obviously, if your coworkers are Japanese, and/or if your job calls on high level Japanese skills, you're going to need an N2 or N1.

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今、皆様は何を読んでいる？

>>133859737

Does that mean roughly: "I beg your pardon, after this we need time for our spirits to recuperate. Of course, congratulations are in order."

>>133859964
I am torn between thinking that you're joking and doing a great job at it, and thinking that you're really new to all of this.

>>133859964
「Of course」以外は一言も合ってないなんて、ある意味凄いですね

Would the Japanese equivalent of black twitter speak be gyaru speak?

>>133860081

I took up to nip II in highschool a long time ago. I just decided to start learning for real two days ago. So what does it translate as for real?

>>133860256
"I'm sorry, I will be more wary from now on"

"Of course I meant to say 感心"

>>133860316

I see, I'll get there one day ;^)

>>133859964
>>133860386
It's better if you just give up now.

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>20 minutes to do all my reps before next day starts

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>>133857815
私を信じて。嘘じゃない。本当にね。

>>133861022
change the time day starts if you want to give yourself extra time. you can change it back after you finish your reps

>>133860987

I honestly don't even care if I never learn for real. I find it fun to play Anki, in fact, I've pretty much replaced video game playing with Anki altogether.

What's the bump limit on /a/?