Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1302

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Discipline is doing what you know needs to be done, even though you don't want to.

ちんこ！

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>Cornucopia

味噌には三種類あり
それぞれ米味噌、豆味噌、麦味噌で
米味噌は白味噌、豆味噌は赤味噌
麦味噌は金山寺味噌と呼ばれます

デコトラ

>>133798437
It does make you think of a curved dick, doesn't it?

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>>133797855
>that doujin
>Discipline is doing what you know needs to be done, even though you don't want to.

I love the concept of 「閃く」litterally it means "to flash, figuratively it corresponds to the concept of a light bulp when you get an idea.
What I love about it, is that both of these two completely different languages perceive the concept of finally figuring something out as a light, and it's no wonder because that's exactly what it feels like!
To learn a language is to learn about life, I feel.

>>133798620
post doujin sauce please

How long does it take for the average /djt/er to be able to pass N1?

How about if you don't specifically learn for the JLPT but rather just self-learn.

>>133799480
The majority don't ever get that far.

>>133799480
I'm taking N1 in 2 weeks, and I've been learning for 3 1/2 years. That's with a full time job, NEETs can go a lot faster.

>>133799832
Did you ever grind N1 specific vocab or anything like that? Or just read and consumed material.

>>133799480
try measuring knowledge by your own standards, not government standards.

>>133799922
I did core10k, which has a ton of N1 vocab.
I also made ~1000 cards from reading stuff (there's some overlap because I sometimes added a card that was included later in core10k)

A few months ago, I got a N1 vocab deck and deleted everything I already knew. That left only 300 cards in that deck.

>>133800070
How long have you been reading?

>>133799922
at least 25k vocab 4k kanji, and thousands grammer partterns, also listening.

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最近どんな面白い作品を楽しんでるの？

>>133800119
if you count videogames as reading (specifically the Kiseki-games which have a ton of text), since about 2 years ago.

LNs, maybe a year ago

>>133800231
日常よ

たくさんの冗談分かりませんけど

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I used to be able to look up the definition of words in the pop up of anki just by hovering above the new word I wanted to look up. Anybody have any idea on how to do that?

>>133800285
Sounds like you're well prepared then.

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>>133800290
セラマッパーギー？

>>133800399
セラマッパギ～

画像なんかエロイね

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>>133800290
日常は、おもしろい漫画ではなくて、変な漫画だとおもうよ
うすたほど極端ではないけど近いっぽい

>>133800325
Yeah, I'm not really afraid.
I did 3 practice tests and got 142,143 and 159. The third was by a different publisher, so maybe that one was easier then the other two.

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>>133800500
>日常は、おもしろい漫画ではなくて、変な漫画だとおもうよ
>クソ妹がクソ好みを持つ
さすがね

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>start a mining deck
>day 2
>20 new cards, 20 to review
>Studied 223 cards in 48 minutes today.
>Again count: 67
>Learn: 169, Review: 20, Relearn: 34, Filtered: 0

>>133800500
僕そう思わないけどアンタの意見受け入れました。

嗜好の問題かな

>>133800503
Nice. Good luck on the day itself!

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精液の鬼？それとも、精液鬼？どれが文法的に正しい？

>>133800970
I'd go with the first one.

>>133800970
ザーメン鬼

>>133801204
Is the 鬼 read as き or おに there?

>>133800616
Structure your cards in such a way that you can quickly get the easy ones out of the way such as by using recognition cards with the expression/word in big font at the top. If you don't get it within a few seconds (5-6 secs are more than enough for most phrases) then look at the hints that you put below such as example usage. If you still don't get it then spend more time looking up examples using the word. 習うより慣れろ

>>133801277
自分でエラベ

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>>133798575

魚雷

hehe

>>133801702
Last time I checked torpedoes do not look like fishes and they are not powered by or use electricity as their method of attack

>>133801799
"missile" is 火箭 in chinese. Pretty cool right?

>>133797771
What does ぽんぽんぽんぱどぅーる mean?

おならＴＩＭＥ

>辞めとけ

What conjugation is this

>>133801881
(n) fire arrow
(n) 横書きの語句や文章の下に引いた線．アンダーライン．

I think this is the first time rikai gave me very different definitions for a single word.

>>133802225
やめておけ

>>133801977
https://0x0.st/-Nh.webm
here you can listen to it

玉袋かゆい。

>>133797771
Learning kanji is easy... grammar is nightmarishly boring.

How do you guys make grammar not so boring?

>>133802981
I completely ignore it and make shit up when I don't understand something.

>>133802981
Make a bunch of example cards and grind those.

>>133802264
>やめておけ
..So what conjugation is that?

>>133802981
I simply don't study it.
I glazed through Tae Kim in my early days to get a sense of whats right and wrong but if you read/listen enough you'll know what sounds natural.
There is nothing to be gained in becoming a grammer nazi unless you want to be a writer.

>>133802981
Watch anime with subs and try to apply the concepts you learn in whatever grammar guide you're using.

>>133803066
imperative of やめておく

>>133803127
Oh, duh... Okay, thanks.

>>133802981
here's a secret
listen read and talk a lot in Japanese, preferably with the opposite sex

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>>133803066

>>133803466
kill yourself normie

>>133799480
>How long does it take for the average /djt/er to be able to pass N1?

Six or seven years of casual everyday exposure (reading VNs, watching anime).
Did some hardcore vocab study before the test but that felt like a complete waste of time. Spending that time reading would have been a much better use of it.

You will not have time to think about or analyze grammar patterns or vocab when you do the test.

I would consider taking the test when you can read mid tier difficulty VN/LNs/manga with decent fluidity, without tools.
When you can watch most anime (Hard anime would be Fafner or GiTS) with no subs without problems understanding.

Being able to read OreImo fluently would put you about N2 level.

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Can someone help with what she's saying in the left panel?

>二人　みたり な　変人は　やかな
I think it would translate to something along the lines of "not the weirdos the two of you are seeing(?)"

や is abbreviated いや right?

But I don't understand why たり is used in 見たり since only one verb is used.

Help is much appreciated!

>>133804115
Maybe it's the font, but I think みたいな is correct

>>133804170
Oh, that settles it then. Thanks!

>>133803862
You're making N1 sound like the big boss of Japanese, I always thought of it as kinda an easy thing.

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I can't for the life of me work out what this is supposed to say.

すこししたらぼっかりめがさめちゃって、きづいたら佳織ちゃんとひとつベッドのうえだった、と
>If do a little while lightly completely wake up (what the fuck?), if regonised with(?) Kaori-chan one bed's top was, と
I can't make any sense of this at all. Please help.

>>133805015
>>133805057
FUCK
ぽっかり

>>133805015
Is 佳織ちゃん the one on the bed?

>>133805015
Just a little woken up
Recognize Kaori
Something something bed, up

>>133805015
She's talking about how she just woke up a little and then she noticed that she was on a single bed together with Kaori-chan

>>133805015
>ぽっかりめ ・ が ・ さめちゃって
目 is eyes
が is object marker
さめちゃって is wake up + te form
>as my sleepy eyes slowly woke up, I noticed I was on top of Kaori chan's bed, と

>>133805015
>つベ
>Youtube
sheeeeeit

>>133805293
ユーチュブじゃねかよ

>>133804115
>二人みたいな変人は嫌かな

の口語体だよ。おにいちゃん

>>133805154
At the time being referred to, yes.

The context is that Amane (the character talking, with the blue hair) snuck into Kaori's bedroom last night. Kaori woke up to find Amane in her bed.

>>133805275
Can you give a rough translation so I can see how you're getting that meaning please?

>>133805283
Isn't 目が覚める an expression/set phrase meaning "to wake up"? I've heard characters saying it all the time in anime and it's always just translated as "wake up" (or woke up if past tense). Jisho lists the whole phrase as meaning "to awaken".

>>133805463
>Isn't 目が覚める an expression/set phrase meaning "to wake up"?
In pure English, yes, in Japanese, well, the 目 is right there.

>>133805463
"Having woken up a little, I came to notice that I was on a single bed together with Kaori-chan"

>>133805600
Where does the tara conditional factor into that though?

>>133805756
It's also used to indicate "x then y happened" stuff

I don't know why either, but I see it used like that all the time.

>>133805756
気付いたら
after i noticed

It can mean 'after' too.

GRAMMAR IS TOO FUCKING HARD

>>133805927
>read one full VN (not hanahira)
>pretty much never seriously worry about grammar again
feels good

>>133805293
日本語の略し方はひどいよ

>日米安全保障条約の岸信介内閣改定、の安倍晋三内閣改定に関する法案審議

の略が、「アンポ」だよ

most important is a particles,not a verb
"てにおは"

>>133806409
手似御派

>>133805862
Ah, it makes a lot more sense now. Thanks. I wish Tae Kim would've mentioned this in his guide when he taught the tara conditional.

>After doing (sleep) (for) a little while I lightly awakened and then noticed I was on a single bed with Kaori-chan
Am I about right?

tara is also used as one-time supposition.

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>>133806409

>>133807945
>一言葉カード

>>133808062
God a problem?

What's the dumbest thing you do in regards to studying Japanese, aside from not reading more?

For me, if I spend too long on a card in anki, I hit ctrl Z and do it again to cut off time from my "amount studied" to seem like I was going faster. It doesn't help me at all and actually just makes it seem like I study less than I do, so it's completely dumb, but I feel compelled to get FAST SPEEDS so I do it.

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Is there any meaningful difference between written Japanese (including scripts spoken by Seiyuus) and "spontaneous" Japanese? I mean, naturally, an urban youth in Tokyo will speak a lot differently from a narrative text, but I just mean in general. Is it important to watch unscripted variety shows and perhaps let's plays (dudes on youtube/nico just talking and talking unscripted) to expose oneself to spontaneous Japanese?

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>>133808228
didn't even have to look for a suitable image to respond to this with

>>133808101
問題ないよ

>>133808228
This way you won't be able to watch yourself get faster; I feel bad for you.

..and I'm probably way slower than you at 3.5 cards per minute.

>>133808305
This is just speculation, but my guess is if you listen to "spontaneous" Japanese, you'll get better at understanding it more quickly than if you just consumed "conventional" media. My opinion is that it depends on whether you value that sort of comprehension (i.e. will you be needing to understand "spontaneous" Japanese in the near future, or can you afford to slowly work your way there just by over time, getting better at general listening?)

>>133808369
>3.5 cards per minute
Don't you do any speaking?
I always say the word out loud, listen to the answer+ sentence, then say the entire example sentence myself

It really would be nice if anki had a category where it wouldn't add that time after showing the backside

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>>133808369
>This way you won't be able to watch yourself get faster; I feel bad for you.
I'm already MAX SPEED, 28 cards per minute /2.1 seconds per card. That's the problem. I go through 28 card in a minute, and then card 29 roadblocks me for 30 seconds so I think "holy shit I could have done like 14 cards in this time I have to go back in time and fix this so my stats maintain their MAX SPEED".

Ultimately even if I didn't do this I'd end up with 3~s per card just because it isn't that often that a card roadblocks me. So it's not like it's a big deal. But, I do it anyway...

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>>133808481
>I always say the word out loud, listen to the answer+ sentence, then say the entire example sentence myself
That's pretty slow, man. I don't even use example sentences.

>東欧を覆う鳳凰(phoenix covering the eastern europe)
>to u o u wo o o u ho u o u

http://ja.forvo.com/word/%E6%9D%B1%E6%AC%A7%E3%82%92%E8%A6%86%E3%81%86%E9%B3%B3%E5%87%B0/

>>133808577
Well it's not wasted time so I don't care about spending more time after answering, I do care about fast answering though.

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

Just in time

必殺技 dictionary attack !

>>133808932
I'm just thinking that it'd add up pretty fast. Like, 200 reviews, 200 example sentences read aloud, that's like 15+ minutes of anki just right there if it only takes 5 seconds per example sentence.

>向こうの京千道路まで出れば、歩道が広くなるから、そこまでのガマンだ。
What is this 京千道路? Is 京千 a name maybe?

>>133809289
i googled it word.
this is fictional name of a place probably.

Another day, another mindfucking idiomatic jukugo

>燃焼時間
>burning time

WHY INDIVIDUALS OF JAPANESE NATIONALITY?

>>133805283
面白い。

>>133804721
It's only a "big boss" if you stick to easy reading material. If you aren't a pussy and actually read hard things you should have no trouble with most hard VNs, or with N1, after 3-4 years.

>>133809665
The listening part is pretty hard in my opinion.

>>133809554
Thanks?

>>133809929
It requires specific practice but I don't think it is harder. If you consistently watch anime in those 3-4 years you should at least be able to pass the listening on N1 (although maybe not with a great score) and make up for it on other sections.

>>133808973
Late as shit.

>>133810099
You know the phrase, better late than never? Well, in this case, better never than ever.

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This is getting painful to read ..

>>133810252
>chuuni
Why would you subject yourself

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>>133810252
Doesn't look like there's anything too hard there, just wordspam. No worries.

>>133810178
His post is more useful than yoursi at least.

>>133810358
Eh, maybe you would have had a point four months ago when he started. Nowadays I don't doubt everyone just sees the post image and doesnt even bother reading the text.

>>133810358
It's about as useful and effective as jaywalking laws.

>>133810315
It's not like I'll be ready for Dies Irae in 2-3 years if I keep pissing my pants with easy stuff to read.

>>133810324
Yeah, but the compounds can be cumbersome to deal with. Sigh.

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>>133810252
>tfw I know all the words there except 紗雪 which is a name

>still wasting time on using anki past lower intermediate
K E K
E
K

>>133810515
There's always new people coming in.

>>133810622
If Yuuna were my waifu I'd feel very motivated by seeing her cheering for me every day. It's not as if it's causing any harm either, DJT has much worse problems to be worried about.

>>133810747
It's not like 5 minutes a day to maintain your specialized vocabulary is some huge waste of time.

>>133810748
And new people have a propensity for reading the opening?

>>133808519
I checked my stats because I remember being a speed autist when I began and I'm ashamed to say that I felt a bit annoyed that you beat my current monthly rate at 25cpm.

>>133810826
New people read everything you throw at them.

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>>133810837
Better luck next time.

>>133810940
Uh huh.

Anyone else afraid of sounding like the Japanese equivalent of a Japanese person speaking English (Engrish)? What if everything you're learning is wrong?

>>133811010
How does that happen

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>>133811091
心底なんでもない

>>133811110
Lots of new cards, probably lowish retention
>>133811091
>Anyone else afraid of sounding like the Japanese equivalent of a Japanese person speaking English
Not really.
>What if everything you're learning is wrong?
If you consume enough context, it's impossible for you to be wrong about important things for long. So do not worry about that.

>>133811110
I did too many new words last night, so I couldn't finish all of my reviews. Now I've got 400+ standard reviews, 200+ reviews from yesterday, and 200+ reviews from new cards.

On the plus side, I'll hopefully be done with all of my new cards after today.

Word of the day: 死屍累々

OPは結構好きだったけど、アニメ自体は下の下のさらに下でしたよね
どこで私がその言葉を覚えたのか、知ってる人は同感すると思う

>>133811253
>tfw you haven't posted a single word of the day i didn't know

>>133811010
>For the wages of sin is death
Let this be a lesson ankeks, never skip a day.
>>133811201
Or in this case, just a part of it.
>200
Don't make it a habit dude, it's barely fine if you're just starting but you'll just hurt yourself in the long run.

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>>133811421
>ankeks

How much vocab did you do before you were able to start reading?

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>log into windows to do my reading for the day
>done
>try to shutdown so I can boot back into Linux
>"windows is installing updates :DDDDDDD"
>guess I'll go make a cup of tea and get something to eat
>15 minutes later
>it must be done by now, right?
>"windows is installing updates :DDDDDDD"
>okay this can't take more than a few more minutes
>20 minutes later
>"windows is installing updates :DDDDDDD"
>go back downstairs and chat with mum for a bit
>15 minutes later
>"windows is installing updates :DDDDDDD"
Fucking hell, how do winfags stand this shit? It told me not to shut it down, but fuck that. It can break for all I care. What a fucking joke. The fact that you even have to reboot to install updates is ridiculous in the first place.

>>133811253
I don't know what you're trying to say dude but I do remember learning that word from haganai
>>133811484
I'm pretty sure I intended to write "ankeks" but I guess that works too.

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>>133811655
>I'm pretty sure I intended to write "ankeks"

>>133811617
never happened to me

enjoying my games and programs ;)

>>133811617
why do you have to use windows to do reading?
I'm guessing VN's or something, but don't they all work pretty much perfectly in wine?

>>133811683
They're learning about the filter.

>>133811421
>>133811484
>>133811683
ａｎｃｕｃｋｓ，　ｏｆ　ｃｏｕｒｓｅ

>>133811617
I just don't install updates.

>>133811383
それもいいですね
そのような達成感を感じさせて、少しでもアノンの力になれたというのなら、こちらとしては幸いです

待て•••どうして行きなり「クック」と「ファム」などは禁止ですか

Testing
sage

>>133811929
あっそ

ところで、今日の単語は「征矢」
よく覚えてね

>>133812052
>ファム
testing senpai

>>133812126
btw the EDICT definition for 征矢 is completely made up so if you learn the word use a J-J dictionary

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>>133811010

>>133812197
What does it really mean?

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>>133811617
>using windows
>letting it download and install updates by itself
wow, it's like totally not your fault at all

>>133812197
We should collect a list of false EDICT definitions.
>>133811712
>don't they all work pretty much perfectly in wine?
You can serious locale problems from time to time.

You also can't texthook very easily so I just use a win XP VM for VNs.

>>133812239
An arrow used for battle/hunting as opposed to target practice/decoration

>>133812314
Cool.

>>133811588
please respond

>>133812447
>implying I'm able to read

>>133811588
0, I started without even knowing hiragana

>>133812447
Around 5k.

>>133812197
>>133812294
>>133802238
How rampant is it?
>>133812239
According to sanseido
(n) 昔， 鏑矢などに対して，戦闘用の矢

>>133811712
Nah, VNs are a pain in the dick to use with Wine. They're even a pain in the dick to use with Windows since you have to fuck around with your locale, time and date, etc., otherwise they throw a fit and won't work.

I also don't know how well texthookers work with Wine.

>>133811848
How do you like being part of a Russian botnet?

>>133812248
>using windows
It's not like I used it because I wanted to, b-baka!

>>133812314
So... a used arrow. You got any more wrong entries that are actually correct if super misleading?

>>133812626
>So... a used arrow
Only if you're an ESL. "used arrow" does not mean "arrow intended to be used"

But sure you can have 験を担ぐ

>>133812626
>used arrow
>arrow used
word order happens to be important here

私はただ三日で破れた
I got ripped in just 3 days

>>133812626
Used as in perfective or supposing, not as in past.

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"征" sei
"矢" ya

sei ya...wh,very well

>>133812626
An arrow used for battle/hunting as opposed to target practice/decoration = An arrow which is intended for use in battle/hunting, not for target practice or decoration

>>133812563
As in, you knew 5k words?

>>133812464
That's okay bro me neither

>>133812551
How? You couldn't have run every single sentence through a translator, it'd have been unintelligible.

>>133812876
>>How? You couldn't have run every single sentence through a translator, it'd have been unintelligible.
Not if he speaks korean

>>133812876
No, I had a deck with 5k words.

>>133792311
These guys are giving DJT's pretentiousness a run for its money.

>>133812994
>pretentiousness
pretention if you speak dialect

If you write kek does it come out as kek?

>>133813041
Pretension if you speak English.

>>133813107
Thanks for the spelling fix bub, I'm autistic

>>133812994
But pretentious bullshit philosophy made to sound cool and not to actually make any sense is everything anime has to offer other than soft core porn and bad comedy.

>>133812566
＞How do you like being part of a Russian botnet?
Well, it's either that or let Microsoft spy on you.

>>133813226
In your case it's both.

>>133813226
both

>>133813107
The word pretension is full of pretentiousness.

>>133813324
Not really

Am I supposed to read all of 日本語文法辞典全巻 or just look parts of it up when confused about a sentence?

>>133813362
You aren't going to remember shit if you just read through it all anyway

Who uses Hellotalk here

>>133813513
I used to. Speak to like three people for a while and got bored.

>>133800399
I never got this joke

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>国語
Japanese language

>>133813684
>joke
it's just a character being silly by using a foreign greeting, what's there to get?

>>133800970
ミトンが好き！

>>133804721
>You're making N1 sound like the big boss of Japanese, I always thought of it as kinda an easy thing.
Passing the N1 is not exactly high level. But it will still require you to have some actual proficiency at the language before you can pass it confidently.

Its rather steep Kanji requirement also inflates the difficulty of the test if you aren't used to reading a lot.
I hear about Chink and Gooks passing it after little more than a year of study all the time.

>>133813834
I-I didnt know it was a actual greeting

>>133813834
In which language?

>>133814000
malaysia, indonesia, and their cohorts.
Thank stingray

>>133814000
ggrks

>>133814093
>ggrks
>Japanese internet slang for " google it, you dumb**s "
Used when someone comment or ask something, wondering about an information that could easily be found in seconds on google


i did it

>>133813780
standard japanese*

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>頼る
>頼りにする
Which one are you supposed to use? Why is 頼りにする even a thing when 頼る exists?

Is 10 cards/minute good without example sentences? Or should I work on speeding it up some. Also, you guys don't use furigana on yours, do you? I'm using them right now, and I feel that it's making things easier than they should be.

>>133815003
If you have furigana on the front, you are doing it wrong.

>>133812566
I don't know about texthookers but I've tried a few VN's in wine with locale problems and it's usually as simple as adding
LANG=ja_JP
to the front of the wine command line to fix it

Everyone pronounces 原因 げいいん, is it because it is faster? I don't see it listed as an alt. reading, but IME recognizes げいいん.

>>133814941
rely
do relying

>>133814941
Ah, nevermind. Turns out 頼る is intransitive. I guess 頼りにする is just a cheaty way Japs came up with to use it as a transitive verb.

>>133815135
It's because of how ん actually works

>>133815137
There's no practical difference between either of those things. "to rely" is the act of "relying".

>>133815224
One has do, the other doesn't
Basically what was just said about squirreling the grammar to allow for transitivity

>>133815272
>One has do, the other doesn't
"Do" is implicit in "to imply". Verbs are doing words.

>この前も、コンビニでティッシュを買ってきたので、俺が説教したくらいだ
Does くらいだ at the end mean that he was on the verge of lecturing her but didn't actually do so?

>>133815307
Congratulations, you're retarded

>>133815522
>ad hom
Epic. Confirmed for having no argument.

>>133815438
What does the te-form+kita mean?
Did verb and came?

>>133815572
If you think "jump" and "do jumping" are the same set of words there is something wrong with your brain so it's only fair.

How the fuck do you delete tags on anki? I select the tag, hit delete, and nothing happens. I also hit the remove tag button, enter in the name of the tag, hit ok, and it still isn't deleted.

>>133815135
Because it isn't げにん.

死にせよ

>>133815762
Pretty sure the ん in 金色 is spoken.

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Question why is

かわいい in katakana?

>>133815859
because aesthetics

>>133815821
金色 is onkun, dude.

>>133815597
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=te+form+%2B+kita

Do any of you use the Japanse threads on /int/? How are they? I notice that they still link to an old version of the DJT guide in their OPs for some reason.

>>133816408
Yeah, I know I can pretty much use google to find an answer to any of my questions but what fun is that? This is my only social outlet besides going to the grocery store to buy my groceries. ;_;

>>133815859
Because emphasis.

And because they just fucking can. That's why.

>>133816672
Just like use IRC or steam

>>133816604
The japanese people there are completely incapable of following 4chan etiquette, for some reason. It's like they're retarded.

>>133816672
With the exception of the Cornucopia of Resources, the point of the DJT isn't to help other people to learn Japanese, it's treat all the other posters here like keks.

>>133816785
that's because most of them are just proxyfags

>>133816752
嫌だ
I might try Hellotalk once I get good.

>>133816813
S-s-s-so someone could have made fun of me; I would have liked that.

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>>133816604
>I notice that they still link to an old version of the DJT guide in their OPs for some reason
If they want to use an ancient version of the guide, that's fine with me. I can't be bothered to inform them of the fact that there's a newer version.

>>133816874
Back to /c/

>>133815438
Anyone?

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Just 2 more weeks until the JLPT.
Better get studying lads.

>>133817061
http://strawpoll.me/6066622

Do your parents know you study japanese?

>>133817302
Yes, and practically all my family and close friends.

>>133815438
Context プリーズ.

>>133817302
Just one classmate who saw me doing reps on my phone

nobody else, and I'm keeping it a secret until I can at least hold a basic conversation.

"Noun + suru" is omnipotent verb maker, like a newspeak.

>>133817519
No.

>http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/sentence_ending
>that さ example
Fucking perfect.

>>133817342
>裕樹「正価でも結構安いのに、店じまい近くになると、さらにまけてくれるからな」
>千里「なんか、やりくり上手な主婦みたいね」裕樹「一応家計預かってる立場だからな。無計画に使いまくるわけにはいかないさ」
>千里「いっぱい使っちゃうと、おばさんに怒られたりするわけ？」裕樹「そんなことはないけど……」
>逆に母さんの方が、そういうやりくりはヘタだったりする。
>母さんは、思いつくまま考えなしに買ったりするので、割高な商品に手を出すことが多い。
>この前も、コンビニでティッシュを買ってきたので、俺が説教したくらいだ。

>>133817519
アノンする
アノンしろ

>>133817263
>one N5 vote
W-what?

>hear sentences
>doesn't make much sense to me
>see english subs
>original sencence then makes perfect clear sense "I can understand japanese!!"

Why?

Heisig is my professorfu

>>133817061
>being a gullible idiot who thinks that a piece of paper like that proves something

>>133817629
It was such an extreme waste of money that he even scolded her.

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What languages to you know, DJT? Don't say Japanese unless you're at least intermediate.

Are there any other languages you're interested in learning after Japanese?

>>133818044
because your listening comprehension is too shit to pick up on words and when you see the english word for something the brain can pinpoint the japanese word more easily

>>133818539
>having a legit interest in wasting even more time on language learning

haha good one, m8

>>133818539

I know english. I don't really think I'd want to know any languages other than japanese and english.

>>133818545
No no, I get every single word I'm listening to (It's a CD drama after all). However the words together don't click in my head until I peek at the translation.

>>133818539
Welsh.

>>133818539
Fluent in German and English, on an intermediate level in French.

Somewhat-intermediate in Japanese.

>>133818539
Spanish and French. Fuck French though, I should've learned German instead.

>>133818539
Swedish and english.
Probably russian. So much good literature, film, even games.

>>133818723
gå och lägg dig

>>133818539
I'm a portuguese native speaker and i really want to learn latin or some other dead shit.

>>133818763
No, I woke up 3 hours ago.

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>tfw got banned for shitposting on /v/
>couldn't shitpost here for 24 hours
So many people I wanted to tell to go watch more anime but couldn't

How long does /djt/ spend studying each day? How long should /djt/ spend studying every day?

名字
苗字
どっちが正しいかな

>>133818890
Literally all my free time.
You can easily master Japanese in a year.

>>133818875
you should probably delete that before you get banned for posting your ban

>>133818953
You get banned for evading, not for posting bans

>>133818875
You're a cancer even on /v/. Think about that.

https://strawpoll.me/6067020

>>133818953
There's no rule against posting your ban. Saying that you're evading a ban will get you permab& (if not rangeb&), and complaining that you were banned may or may not get you banned (rule 8) depending on how much of a dick the mod reading your post is, but posting the fact that you were banned is not against the rules.

>>133818539
Only English. I'd like to eventually learn Japanese, German, Russian, Spanish, French, Chinese, Korean in basically that order. But realistically, I hope I can at least get good at Japanese someday.

>>133818707
;_;

>>133819121

Here's an optimized order.

Spanish, French, German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean

>>133808228
Dumbest thing I ever did was grind vocabulary cards rather than sentence cards

>>133818539
English and Spanish. I started learning German and I've barely scratched the surface with Japanese. I really want to learn both (recently, more Japanese) but I think doing both at the same time would just make everything much slower. I've just been stalling these past few weeks.

>>133818990
I just wanted to make a Yohjo Simulator thread into something much better

>>133819664
>Yohjo
This triggers me, it's　幼女、youjo which is nothing like jo-jo. If you're gonna butcher it anyway just call it little girl simulator.

>>133819727
Who the hell even mentionned jojo?

So.. learning takes time, just have patience.

But any time not spent learning is wasting time
SO STOP WASTING TIME HURRY UP AND STUDY AHH

>>133818539
I'm doing Norwegian as well

It's harder than Japanese. I'm not even memeing. It's 100x harder to speak without sounding like an absolute retard. I can pronounce Japanese perfectly fine. It's a joke. I'll never, ever speak Norwegian with a hint of a Norwegian accent.

Japanese just has a silly "r" and pitch. Norwegian has a silly "r" (well, more than 1 actually depending on your dialect), a bunch of other sounds that's not available in my native language, 50 gazillion dialects, a huge lack of native content to listen to, and some "rhythm/melody" thing they got going on that they don't seem to be aware of. If you can't produce that, you sound even more retarded.

I'll do Latin in my twilight years. Least I only have to learn how to read with that.

>>133820204
But fluent norwegian makes you sound like a retard.

>>133819762
That's what yohjo sounds like, jo-jo.

>>133820204
Have you seen Danish?
You've pretty much gotta be throwing up in your mouth as you speak to get it all right.

>>133820359
You do know that "oh" is a perfectly fine romanization? Where do you think Tohsaka came from? U and H are interchangeable.

>>133820359
>jo-jo
Did you not learn the kana or something? y != j

>>133820251
It's really pretty actually.

>>133820486
I have yes. Danish pronunciation is ridiculous. Its like they don't give a fuck how a word is written. They'll just pronounce it with 90% of the letters removed.

>>133820204
Greit nokk at norsk er vanskelig å uttale, men det er uendelig mye lettere å lære seg norsk (enn japansk) som engelsktalende, da grammatikken er klin lik engelsk.

Men hvis jeg var deg ville jeg ikke tenkt så mye på uttalen, vi har så mange dialekter her til lands allerede, samt et hav av innvandrere som snakker gebrokken norsk, at vi har veldig høy toleranse for rar uttale.

Hva angår "native content" kan jeg anbefale deg å sjekke ut tv2 sumo, nrk har også et nett-TV opplegg. Det er nokk en del færre norskproduserte serier og slikt enn med japansk, men hvis du finner deg en norsk venn kan han sikkert komme med anbefalinger.

分かる？

>>133820634
>>133820546
Go write "yohjo" on a piece of paper and show it to bubba from Texas who has never heard of your chinese cartoons. Assuming he can read I bet you he would pronounce it as jo-jo, that's my point.

>>133820817
He'd almost definitely pronounce it as yo-jo. I don't know what experience you've had with English-speakers, but nobody pronounces y as j.

>>133820817
That's a completely meaningless point. He'd pronounce the "you" in "youjo" like the word "you" if he was that dumb.

Ou and oh indicate identical pronunciation if you aren't braindead.

>>133818539
Fluent Portuguese and English, I was once intermediary level Spanish, which isn't much when you're coming from Portuguese, but I lost even that now from lack of practice.

I'm not seriously thinking about learning anything besides Japanese at the moment, but if I were to learn more languages I think my order of priority would be Spanish > Russian > Chinese > German > Latin > At this point I'd probably learn anything that fancied my interest because of my recently acquired language learning addiction.

>>133820853
>but nobody pronounces y as j.
*Actually Literally* nobody pronounces y as j in English.

In fact, if you showed it to someone speaking middle english, the ONLY period where ANYONE in the anglosphere would even BEGIN to consider j a "Y" sound, they'd pronounce it "thou-yo", because then, "y" = th.

>>133818539
Portuguese and English.

I don't understand how people always say grammar isn't a problem, I constantly find myself getting stuck on grammar despite the fact I've read a fuck tonne of manga, is the problem just that I've been sticking to SoL shit this whole time instead of harder shit? Feel like I'm doing something wrong

>>133820716
Norsk /djt/ bror reporterer.

>>133820204
Norwegian does have some sounds that are similar to Japanese. I think it's much more easier to learn Jap when you know these sounds, than without.

>>133821043
grammar is also my roadblock. I can remember everything else fine, but I can't remember grammar at all.

>>133821043
skim dojg in order to elucidate yourself to some of the subconsciouses about how japanese grammar internalizes

>>133821218
Don't report me bro.

My accent has vowels that line up perfectly with the Japanese あえういお, so I pretty much got Japanese pronounciation for free. The only things that give me trouble are す/ず and つ/づ.

>>133821429
Me too, I also used to struggle a lot with ちょお and しょお, but it's gotten better.

What do all of the different options on the "Custom Study" option menu do? I havn't used it and I don't want to end up like
>>133812227
>>133811010

>>133820716
>Fair enough that the Norwegian is hard to pronounce, but it is infinitely easier to learn Norwegian (than Japanese) as English speaking, when grammar is shut like English.
>But if I were you I would not thought so much about pronunciation, we have so many dialects in this country already, and a sea of immigrants who speak gebrokken Norwegian, that we have very high tolerance for weird pronunciation.
>As to the "native content" may I recommend you to check out tv2 sumo, nrk also has a network television program. It is nokk part fewer Norwegian-produced series and such than with Japanese, but if you find a Norwegian friend, he can certainly make recommendations.

Google translate works surprisingly well here. I can easily understand most of what is being said. Laughed at "gebrokken", was that a joke in Norwegian or just a fortunate mistranslation from google?

>>133821983
>Google translate works surprisingly well here
That's because english and norwegian are both germanic languages

>>133821983
>that we have very high tolerance for weird pronunciation.

Unless you have an British/American accent, then it's "switch to English" mode

>>133818904
どっちも同時的に使われるんですよ
日本語は世界唯一の量子的言語です
まさに、未来のランゲージ

Today's word: 分娩台

>>133821221
You don't remember grammar, you learn the basics and feel the rest.

>>133822226
Could very well be, lots of Norwegians have decent English knowledge but next to no speaking experience (outside of class) and would jump at the opportunity to practice with a native.

>>133821983
Yeah it didn't catch a few weird words, "gebrokken" is probably archaic, "nokk" is a typo, "grammar is shut like English." this is due to a colloquialism etc.

But in general machine translation is very good at English <-> Norwegian because the grammar is so similar, and in most cases you can get away with just swapping out the words.

http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-language-for.html

Does anyone have the Japanese subtitles for Serial Experiments Lain? I'm trying to use subs2srs for some COMPELLING CONTENT, but I can't find them anywhere.

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tfw progress

>>133822646
Hmm I think my 6k deck defaulted to a different order than yours, I have more kanji covered than you but still have gaps towards the start of the grid, for example 五六七. Anyone know what that's about?

>>133822767
My deck is set to have no leech and show cards in the default order. I'm sure that's why.

>>133822377
What's the "basics"?

>>133823242
Tae Kim. Consult the DOJG when your feelings fail you, but try to resist the temptation of doing it all of the time.

>>133823279
>tae kim

There's a metric shit ton to learn/memorize. That's a little bit more than "just learn the basics"

>>133823346
There's really not, you need to set your standards a bit higher. Read more and put what you learn into practice and you'll see that most of the grammar just falls into place as you get used to it. There's very little actual memorization to be done, unlike vocab.

>>133823346
Tae kim isn't really extensive at all, anon. I know all of it and still stumble across grammar I don't know on the daily. Additionally going through tae kim should take you a couple of months, it'd be naive to think you'd be proficient in Japanese grammar with just that.

>邪魔
Such an ordinary word, such edgy kanji.

>>133822646
funny, I have a problem remembering 千 also

>>133824676
>funny, I have a problem remembering 千 also
How? Kanji doesn't get much simpler than that

>>133824975
mental block i guess

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あいちゃんこわい

>>133805015
たら always fucks me up when its not used as a conditional.

>>133824676
>Remember most words fine
>Can remember words like べたべた、淡々、etc, for my life
kill me

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>>133820204
>>133820716
>>133821983
Norwegian is supposedly one of the easiest language a native English speaker can learn.
http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-language-for.html

>>133825109
Those words are supposed to be impossibly fucking hard to remember, they are part of a gaijin barrier the government imposed on the language to keep people from learning Japanese. A more famous example is what's called "kanji", where they picked random obscure hieroglyphs from thousands of years ago that have to be sprinkled in between sentences.

which slav laguage would be the hardest to learn for a native english speaker

>>133825263
But kanji arent the hard part

>>133824991
fifty times

>>133825290
All of them. Slavic languages are fucking retarded.

>>133825290
Polish has words with ridiculous amounts of hard consonants in a row, it sounds like a car with ABS braking on gravel.

japanese tongue-twister
>庭には二羽にわとりがいる(In the garden there are two chickens)
>niwa(garden) ni(particle used as location of existence) wa(contrast marker) niwa(tow) niwatori(chicken) ga(Subject marker) iru(is there)

That concludes my arena run, 3-3 and 250 reps. What do you guys do while repping?

>>133825705
すもももももももものうち
スモモも桃も桃の内

>>133825807
>spending 1-2 hours doing 250 reps
>distracting yourself every minute playing HS
>going only 3-3
You would be better off finishing your reps in 15-30 minutes and then focusing on playing HS, you would probably get better correct% and more wins

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>>133825290
Mongolian.

>>133826211
>>133825807
>Playing a shit game

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>>133826211
Not really.

My deck was shit, I don't think I could have played any of those losses into a win no matter how hard I tried anyway.

I've been trying to learn the same 20 vocabulary words for three days

It's fucking hopeless ;_;

>>133826409
You might literally be retarded

>>133826409
You can do it!

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>>133826480
>>133826409
Help ._.

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Can someone help me proofread to see if I got the Japanese translation correctly? I'm trying to translate the gist of this message to Japanese for a request to a doujin artist.

Original Message:
>I am a big fan of your work. Recently while combing through your site I found that you published a doujin of Renne from Sora no Kiseki with the title Extra32. I am a major fan of Renne and would like to read this doujin, but it is sadly completely impossible to purchase online from what I have seen. I was hoping you might have some extra copies to sell or knowledge of where I could find one. Thank you for your time.

My current translation:
>こにちは。私はあなたの軌跡シリーズの同人誌が大好きです。Extra３２を買って読むが欲しいですけど、この同人誌はどこでもインタネットの店で売り切れしまった。レンは大好きので、是非Extra32を買うことがよかったです。現在、あなたはもっとExtra３２を売っていますか？どうかお返事をよろしくお願い致します。

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>>133826409

>>133826678
Literally first week of Japanese level stuff.
時 is time
今 means "now" or "current"
年 is year
月 is moon, but is used for month
週 is week
Everything else is compounds.

Seriously, if you can't remember stuff that simple, you really can't learn Japanese.

>>133826678
>._.
Stop.
And give up. No seriously. If you can't learn this level 1 shit in three days just give up. You won't be able to handle the rest.

>>133826678
That shit's baby tier.
You might literally have some kind of problem, like dyslexia, which would make this literally impossible.

I don't think he's retarded, I think he's just not focusing at all and then coming here to attentionwhore. I mean that would make him retarded but you know.

>>133826678
今 + another word for time means this time, so
今年 - This year
今月 - This month
今週 - This week
今日 - This day
Simple stuff.

分かる、帰る、入る、出る、出来る、来る and 行く are all extremely common and versatile verbs.

入る、出る are opposites of eachother
行く、来る as well

出来る is 出る and 来る together.

水曜日、木曜日 is a part of the weekdays series of words.

If you can't learn all of them at once, try to break them down into logical groups and components, focus on making sure you know one, then two, then three etc.

For problem words, you can't just press 2 and hope they stick to your brain somehow, make a concentrated effort on committing them to your memory.

>>133826409
Do RTK.
Any retard can learn Japanese with persistence, just look at the scanlation community.