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The constant pseudo-intellectual ramblings is really getting

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The constant pseudo-intellectual ramblings is really getting on my nerves....
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welcome to anime
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Ooohh, she's so special. getting into college at 11 becoming an engineer after a year. She questions the meaning of life and death, ''her intellectual'' brain makes her feel so isolated. Are you kidding me with this shit? i cant recall the last time i've seen such a pretentious show
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>>133792321
welcome to any media ever
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>>133792321
There's anime and there's this piece of shit. This is a contemporary setting with the seinen genre plastered all over it. But this. She thinks life is a burden? well fucking newsflash bitch, everyone feels the same
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I was excited for this anime, Asano Inoue did the character design, animation looked good. The opening is fantastic. But wow it disappointed me really fucking quick
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>>133792321
Came her to say this. Writers feel like they have the right, no, obligation to imbue their worldly knowledge gained from arguing on online message boards and polished in Philosophy 101 unto the unsuspecting audience.
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>>133792456
atleast other 2deep4u shows aren't fucking pretentious such as this one. And this shit show is not even deep
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Why don't smart people just invent shit and stfu about philosophy?

Nobody likes philosophy.
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>>133792506
inventing is hard work Anon

talking however is not
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So, is this show 3X3 bait?
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I'm still watching this because I want to see if this is a fair detective show like Poirot, or if they're gonna pull shit out of their ass because they couldn't come up with something clever.
God, how I hate secret passages...
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>>133792311
You may be watching the wrong medium.
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>>133792561
>3X3

Forgot these existed, thank fuck for subject filters. I remeber when they used to be a simple 3x3 made on some shitty website. Now it's a thread for hipsters to show off their Photoshop skills and shit taste.
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She faked her death spoilers
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>>133792660
And Bear. It's all just a shitty circlejerk.
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>vlcsnap
>....
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>>133792771
what's wrong with vlc?
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>>133792859
>poor Realplayer support
>can't stream to Blackberry
C'mon, step it up
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>>133792859
Nigga don't start another 100+ post argument.
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>>133792892
Why would i want to stream it to blackberry?
>>133792894
But i want to know what's wrong with vlc
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>>133792910
holy shit that proportions. i take it back
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>>133792937
Why aren't you using Quicktime, anon?
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>>133792977
because it's not quick.
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Yeah this show is pretty terrible.
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>>133792910
well the background looked good. is what i meant
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>>133792311
it's
>are getting on my nerves
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>>133793059
pls dont gas me anon
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>>133792311
I don't mind pretentious blather, but there is one thing that bugs me. They said that that humans are born with multiple personalities that then come together and thus that Shiki chick is "pure". I'm by no means an expert in psychiatry, but should it not work in a completely opposite way?
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>>133793246
wow thats some bullshit pseudo science there. im dropping it after ep 1 i guess
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>>133792311
It's hilarious how many people are too stupid to watch shit and think about it. The stuff said in the story is presenting to viewer a certain kind of opinion, a point of view. You as a viewer are supposed to think about the said view and analyse it and bring it in clash with your own view. Accept it as something different.

Saying that it's "stupid" only proves that you yourself are too narrow-minded to think about the opinion which is different from yours. Not saying that this particular anime/book offers enlightening opinions on the matter of human individualism and intellect but simply saying "it's stupid" is just lazy and makes you seems like an ultimate pleb. Shouldn't you try better, OP?
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>>133792334
This. I get it that she is intellectual mature beyond her age, but what makes them all think that she was also emotionally mature as well? She was still a kid playing with toys and constructing
robots instead of puzzles, just a depressed and with existential crisis one. Old dude complaining about schizophrenic little girl raping him is not helping either.
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>>133792321
>>133792396
>>133792412
>>133792456
>>133792490
It's not anime, and it's not media in general; it's Japan.

Japan as a whole eats this garbage up.
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>>133793558
When did i say its stupid? it's shit, and the opinion they're trying to represent is shit. I accepted it sth different and it's shit. its a badly written anime
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>>133793910
Japan should stick to making tech and weird porn and leave philosophy to the grown ups.
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>>133793558
>Saying that it's "stupid" only proves that you yourself are too narrow-minded to think about the opinion which is different from yours.
Literally never wrote stupid in any of my posts. but im going to now. you're fucking stupid
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So I gather this anime is full of teenage level "pretentious" so-called "philosophy"?

I was thinking of picking this up but as much as I enjoy some mature, well informed philosophical discussions from time to time, I can't handle shit like this.
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>>133793558
>narrow-minded to think about the opinion which is different from yours.
How fucking old are you? its not that the opinion is different. its the anime is pretentious as fuck, 90% of the episode was gibberish smart-pretend talk. it wasn't slightly entertaining.
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>>133794190
its not even that fucking deep. it's superficial and just try really hard to represent the characters as smart which comes of as pretentious. i wouldnt mind if being pretentious was their characters' trait, but its not. it t
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>>133794190
There is no philosophy.
There is author's try to make something poetical and intellectual. It's failed attempt not because it is teenage level or tryhard, it fail because the "clever things" characters saying are uncalled for and has no reason to be said. They don't describe characters or plot. Math was brought in Owarimonogatari as lead up to the story and describing characters trait. Here we got told that "Seven is a lonely number" for no reason. MC thinking about rebutting himself every morning for no reason. Lolli scientist is so mature and lonely for no reason other than being clever.
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>>133794620
>Here we got told that "Seven is a lonely number" for no reason.
There's plenty of reasons, Magata kinda speaks in riddles. It's her way of saying she feels lonely/isolated. After bringing up 7 she says B and D are the same, foreshadowing F being 15 in hex, which is at the heart of the mystery.

That's advancing the story and describing character traits like you said, it's not even using complicated math to do it just prime numbers and base-16.
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OP&ED are good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZzVDP5Ezc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMR5UsFhHc
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>Draw jam
>Call it blood
Why is this allowed?
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>>133795341
why anon haet ketchup tho
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>Discussing this 10th grade psychology masturbation session instead of the best detective series of the year.

Step it up.
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>>133795356
It's way too glossy for any ketchup I've ever seen.
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>>133795307
What are the four seasons book about?
Are they just the flashbacks to Shiki's past we've been seeing every episode?
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>>133795411
But that's just stumbling between coincidences while teasing /ss/.
There have been better detective shows than either this year.
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Actually,the author was a professor of Nagoya University.
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>>133795411
Bones: the anime isn't that great, it has nice visuals and a beautiful christmas cake but it isn't really doing anything special for a detective show, it's quickly falling into the detective conan problem of running into bones related problems everytime the main characters take a step.
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>>133792412
>>133792311
>vlc

Stop posting.
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>>133795558
There literally wasn't a bone related problem in EP 4,5 and 6
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>>133794190
>>133794290
>>133794229
>>133794620
The funny part is that the "pretentiousness" you're all so obsessed with isn't even a main focus on the show. Whenever a show attempts to show more intellectual depth than the average SOL you autists get triggered and act like a hipster just fucked your waifu.

Sometimes the author wants characters to say things that normal people wouldn't and act in ways that would be weird in real life. It's fucking fiction.
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>>133795673
Is there an umbrella that can keep away death?
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>>133795673
Why do every one of these new pseudo-intellectual shows have to have the worst goddamn Engrish ever?
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>>133795673
>The constant pseudo-intellectual ramblings
>The constant
When its constant it automatically becomes the main part.
> i cant recall the last time i've seen such a pretentious show
Pretty much the only show that ticked me off
>more intellectual depth
LMFAO!! It's fucking shallow. how is being in an existential crisis and seeing life as a burden an intellectual depth, it's normal phase for most teenagers
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Even Psycho-Pass was guilty of that Engrish bullshit. They did it for half the movie. With native English speakers.
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>Half the episode is a slow ass conversation in broken english
The pretenious shit is awful but the pacing is even worse.
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>>133795810
the engrish was actually really good
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>>133795810
The engrish was better than any engrish I've heard in anime before.
Not as good as native speakers of course, but it was tolerable.
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lots of samefagging in this thread.

for anyone who hasn't been posting: don't accept the negativity in this thread. it's a good show.
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>>133795832
>LMFAO!!
I'm not sure how you expect anyone to take you seriously like that
Also, the existential crisis isn't important at all. It's just mentioned in the flashback and that's it.
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>>133795884
>>133795862
Sensei's Engrish was good. I just fucking wish they had gotten a native speaker to do the sister's lines. It would've been perfect then
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>>133795861
The grammar was fine and the pronunciation wasn't bad except for Miki who was supposed to be on native level.

The dialogue sucked a big one, though.
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>>133795903
Definitely top three of the season so far. A lot of it depends on how well it can finish it off
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>>133795913
oh god those flashback sucked so bad
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>>133795913
>oh should've said ''topkek'' to blend with you cool anons.
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>>133793910
This isn't anime and Japan, but only one novel of many works by Mori Hiroshi, you retard.
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So she probably uploaded her mind to some machine or something like that?

We're 7 episodes in and literally nothing happened.
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This series is bad,but not even close to as horrible as most of the other shows this season.
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>>133796023
You're not even greentexting correctly. You must be a real newfag if you understand this little about 4chan etiquette
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>>133795862
They pronounced it pretty well, but any attempt at acting tanked as a result.
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>>133796038
>she probably uploaded her mind to some machine or something like that?
It's funny to see people completely falling for misdirection like that.
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>>133796057
>4chan etiquette
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>>133796096
However we ARE 7 episodes in and nothing happens.
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>>133796117
It's not hard to understand. If you type like a retard then people are going to safely assume you're a retard and then call you a retard. If you want to get your points across then just follow proper etiquette and don't be a fag.
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>>133796043
It's the show I'm enjoying the most.
I get that not everyone likes slow paced mysteries though.
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>>133795673
>intellectual depth
None present. I wouldn't say it's all that pretentious though - the "philosophy" is just a device to make the characters look smart. And it's a shitty one, and just shows the author has no idea how actual intelligent people act.
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>>133796079
>>133796079
This. There was no rhythm, and they didn't know which words to emphasize. It was like someone playing all the correct piano notes with no sense of timing.
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>>133796155
Plenty of stuff happened, they closed room murder mystery has been set up, the detective duo has started investigating for real and we've constantly been learning more and more about Sohei, Moe and Shiki every episode.
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>>133796183
>and just shows the author has no idea how actual intelligent people act
well, see, if you had read my post all the way through you would have seen this
>Sometimes the author wants characters to say things that normal people wouldn't and act in ways that would be weird in real life. It's fucking fiction.
Although I guess you and your intellectual friends must be experts in how intelligent people act, right
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>>133792396
>Welcome to any media ever

I don't think so.

>>133792334
This. I asked the same questions at a very young age myself (no, not as a teenager but before that), but I wasn't some sort of special genius wunderkind.

>>133792506
>>133792543
>>133796183

Best answers

>>133793558
Calling something stupid means you are narrow-minded. Wow.

>>133796245
Some people will just defend anything no matter how bad it is and give excuses for the author.
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>>133796245
>It's fucking fiction.
So the writer has no obligation to make the characters act remotely human? Sorry to have some standards.

And I don't have to be an expert to realise that an intelligent adult doesn't try to look smart by spouting edgy teenager nonsense.
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>>133796183
>how actual intelligent people act.
But is that really relevant in fiction? If Hiroshi Mori wanted to tell the story of an actual professor working in an architecture department in Nagoya he would have written an autobiography.
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The first episode should've told you everything you needed to know about this show.
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Shiki Magata is one of the most important person in Mori's world. She often appears in other stories.
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>>133796365
Some people will just bash everything about a show no matter how many redeeming qualities it might have. Nice touch on your post to add a little blogshit, as if I we didn't already know what kind of person we were dealing with here

>>133796367
You ever watched a movie before? Or a TV show? Ever read a book? 99% of the time, the dialogue of those mediums is nothing like real life. Why should it be? Real life talk is boring.
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>>133792311
dropped it lol
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>>133796155
My bet's on her getting pregnant and giving birth right there, in her room. The child then killed her for *reasons*
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>>133796602
The character even joked about it and you're still mad about it
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Why wan't this bitch in an actual prison?
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>>133796380
>But is that really relevant in fiction?
Yes. Poorly written characters don't tend to be very engaging. This way they're just pieces in a totally arbitrary puzzle which I'm only enjoying for its absurdity.
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>>133796687
*wasn't
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I'm quite sure of that /a/ is getting childish every time I read a thread about this anime.
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>>133796688
Not realistic is not the same as poorly written.
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>>133796687
They answered that in ep 1.
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>>133796780
True. This is both.
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>>133796660
Oh, so I'm not the only one thinking about that. I guessed that the kid came out under Shiki's dress and got advantage of the darkness to go away, but the elevator moving at that same time makes me think that I'm missing something here.
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>>133796770
You would think that by this point they would have dropped it
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>>133792334
>getting into college at 11 becoming an engineer after a year
How I hate that kind of stuff. Like a character can't be smart without casually winning the nobel prize in every discipline.
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>>133796845
Then you'll have to expand on why with something other than "this is not how actual intelligent people act".
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>>133796861
It's kind of a major plot point that she isn't just smart. She's so smart that she's actually a celebrity and she has her own compound and staff at her beck and call for research.
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>>133796859
The problem is that the mystery is kinda interesting. But that doesn't make the bullshit they spout all the time (specially Souhei) any less insufferable.
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>>133796861
I hate that too, but it doesn't bother me much her because the character has grown up. She's like 29 now so not one of those child genius cliche anymore.
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>>133797011
>She's like 29 now
She dead
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>>133797065
No.
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>>133796660
>>133796849
Nice ideas. It could also explain the toys.
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>>133792311
Why don't you use your brains?
I already know what it says.
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>>133796816
Excuse me for not remembering whatever shitty reason they gave 7 weeks ago for her not being in an actual prison.
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Please no more spoiler.
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>>133796925
How about the whole situation being incredibly contrived for the specific purpose of the locked room mystery? Or the poorly written characters who are not only unrealistic but boring?
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>>133796953
Maybe the real problem is that you're just too sensitive. It's just a character quirk that he idly philosophizes occasionally. It fits his nature.

The only other person who does anything like what you're describing is Shiki, and she's just a crazy weirdo.

You're taking habits of certain characters and using them to form an opinion of the entire show for some reason.
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>>133795861
It isn't worse than Drangon ball.
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>>133797166
>the whole situation being incredibly contrived for the specific purpose of the locked room mystery?
Is it that much more contrived compared to your average locked room mystery?

>characters who are not only unrealistic but boring?
How exactly are they boring?
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>>133797166
>the plot of a mystery is contrived
Surprise surprise. You're still watching it, right? That means it works
>poorly written characters who are not only unrealistic but boring
It's a matter of opinion. You don't like the characters because they don't talk like "real intelligent people" and therefore you see them as nothing but boring and unlikeable
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>>133795861
At least it was grammatically correct and the VAs pronounced it properly. Better than 90% of Engrish in anime.
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>>133793246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role
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>>133793246
Scientists aren't even sure there is only one conscious ''person'' in a brain.
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>>133797340
>How exactly are they boring?
How aren't they? Moe is alright, but Soumei is a parody of an edgy teen used as a serious adult. And Shiki is mysterious and acts pretty much completely arbitrary. Everyone else is practically a non-entity.

And yeah, it's more contrived than most mysteries, because even the very existence of the facility makes no sense, never mind the fact that they keep Shiki there. And that's before you even get to the murder.
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>>133797691
>a parody of an edgy teen
What are you even talking about? Please explain these words and how they relate to that character
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>>133797193
I can stand Shiki's quirk. She's crazy and what she says makes sense in her own way. Sometimes, she even says something interesting (like what she told her sister when she hurt herself). It was weird and most people would be taken aback by it, but it made sense and it was beautiful in its simplicity. And it's probably also a core element of the mystery (she doesn't care about her body, or anyone else's, as long as the mind is intact).
But Souhei is one of the main characters, is doing it 80% of the time he's on the screen, and instead of being met with skepticism or even incomprehension by the other characters, he's seen as someone really smart and deep by all. But the things he says lack purpose, are devoid of meaning, and sometimes are even so stupid that I just want him to shut up. Like for example, that shit about why Shiki was the purest human being. Even if all that shit he spouted made any sense (he was talking about something similar to the concept of personas, and even adults have them), it would be stupid to say Shiki is more "human" for that. Following what he said, it'd be in human nature to get rid of your personalities as you grow up. It's like saying that someone that doesn't grow in height since he's 10 is more human that you or me. It would just mean that they have more childish aspects. In other words, utter nonsense. But instead of thinking he's being stupid, Moe gets mad but unable is to refute him.
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>>133797691
>Soumei is a parody of an edgy teen used as a serious adult.
He's not portrayed as a serious adult in the show, he can't use eyedrops correctly, he wears ridiculous shirts and flip-flops, he chain smokes to a ridiculous level and his adoration of Magata even though he's never met her clearly comes across as blatant fanboyism.
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>posters 40

Lol
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>>133797750
He's intelligent and nihilistic with a wicked sense of humour.
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Should've animated Dedede instead, Asano is wasted on this bullshit.
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>>133797751
>he's seen as someone really smart and deep by all
Not really. They just kind of tolerate him. Maybe if the show was fawning over him and acting like he was some kind of genius MC then I would understand where you were coming from, but you even said yourself that Moe gets frustrated when he does it, and that's one of the more important character interactions in the show. Like I said, it's just idle philosophizing.
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>>133795437
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>>133796816
>>133797128
I also can't remember. Would someone please enlighten me?
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>>133796849
>>133796660
The child didn't kill her, the child killed herself instead of killing her like she was supposed to. That's why I think either Moe or Saikawa said that Magata's body looks a lot younger than 29, because it's actually her daughter, who just really looks like her. Magata is pretending to be her sister. She snuck out when everyone was distracted by the body via the elevator, got in the helicopter, stabbed her Uncle in the back (that's why he was acting so odd in the helicopter when they first went to the roof, he was trying not to show that he was literally dying) then she pretended to have just arrived when the others came to the roof.

Source: the live action drama
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>>133798546
People can just watch the live action if they want spoilers, no need to post them in here.
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>>133798406
She was decleared not of sound mind and therefore not guilty. So instead of being confined to a mental institution and being treated, they just let her uncle lock her in the basement.
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>>133798091
That's not the feeling I get. People value his opinion, enjoy having conversations with him, and regard him highly enough to let him conduct an investigation about Shiki's dead (let's face it, not even a multi billion dollars' deal would make you allow someone to tangle with a crime scene. If word got out, you'd be in deep shit, and they could even close the lab). And sure, Moe gets mad at him... but not because he's philosophizing, but because of his blind admiration towards Shiki. It looks more like she's jealous of Shiki than frustrated by his attitude.
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>>133798546
There is so much wrong with this series if what you posted is the truth.
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>>133798546
What happened with real sister?
So Engrish was by Ibuki Kido or someone else?
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>>133798546
No more spoiler.
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>>133798638
He's a college professor who's very accomplished in his field. That accounts for most of what you're talking about.

The fact that they allow the "investigation" to happen reflects the deal that they made, like you said. For the record, the lab is obviously going to close anyway, because Shiki is dead; they just don't want to lose this huge deal they've been working on for years before it shuts down, and they have no reason to suspect either of them, so they let it go.

Besides that, Moe seems to enjoy talking to him, but that's just because she likes him.

It's not like he's some average Joe who's hypnotizing a bunch of people with his astounding intelligence. He's a figure well known for his work.
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>>133792311
I think sakurako-san is good. Will I like this show too?
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>>133799291
You would enjoy watching just about anything with standards that low.
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Waifu
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>>133799291
This is considerably better than Sakurako-san
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>>133799291
It's not the same kind of show really.
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>>133799340
But that's not true. I dropped Rokudai, Asterisk, taimado, Concrete revo, comet lucifer and shomin sample.
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>>133799577
Concrete Revolution is good. The other ones are indeed shit
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>>133799291
At least the author's reputation is higher.
But actually it depends on your taste.
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>>133799604
Concrete Revolutio got the same annoying rebelling teenager style writing as this show, but at least it looks and sounds great.
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>complains about pretentiousness in the show
>uses VLC

lol son
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>>133792311
Please make /a/ shitty paradise for kids who can only love a kind of shit like OPM, fairly tall, Asterisk.
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I'm watching this for pedo scenes.
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I hate anything that tries to think for you. Pretentious garbage like this, NGE, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, all of it.
Just tell me a nice story and then just give me an idea to think about like that one manga with the turtle named Plato.
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>>133800042
People like to pretend they're smart. Add some bible references and become a cult hit!
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>>133793246
Pretty sure that was philosophical rather than scientific.
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>>133796245
That doesn't make it any less badly written, anon.
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>>133799604
>Concrete Revolution
2 deep 4 niwaka.
They can't become aware of the era "Shinka" is parallel with the real Japanese era "Shouwa" and events actually happened.
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>>133794088
True
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The grown ups should stop making a live action movie of GHOST IN THE SHELL or Akira.
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In a single sentence, what would you say this anime is about?
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>>133800864
Computer science and murder
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Moe was moe.
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>>133798742
Real sister was in America all along, nothing's wrong with her.

>>133798590
>people ask questions
>give them the answers
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>Engrish
>Sensory deprivation tanks
What the fuck is this shit? You’re floating in a tank of extremely salty water. This isn’t some fancy hypno shit.
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>>133801065
You have no obligation to answer any questions.
You know that spoilers even behind spoiler tags are bad for those kinds of threads because they scare away people who don't want to be spoiled and prevent any meaningful discussion or speculation about the mystery.

If you want to shit up the threads just admit it. I can't stop you. But don't pretend you're doing anyone a favor.
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>>133801185
>You’re floating in a tank of extremely salty water. This isn’t some fancy hypno shit.

It just puts you in a relaxed state where you can more easily access your thoughts, kinda like lucid dreaming I guess.
It's not VR or hypnosis.
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>>133801563
It works best when it's really quiet, but they're in there yakking away at each other.
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>>133798546
Why wasn't she on caught by security cams?
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>>133799340
Anonymous shitter is last person to point out someone's shitaste.
Just visiting this site makes any complains about having standards worthless.
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>>133792311

Never dropped a show so quickly
10 mins into the first episode and I closed it
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>>133799291
Sakurako's way worse

>muh super intelligent detective
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>>133792311
Dropped it after the first show ends. This didn't happend to me since NGNL and Musashi gundoh.

This is fedora: the show. I want to punch the autor in the face.
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>>133802345
>First show
I mean first ep.

I'm retarded.
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>>133792311
Welcome to 7 weeks ago. This show actually has the most pretentious try-hard dialog I've ever seen. It makes Psycho Pass look grounded and reasonable.

Anyone who didn't drop it on episode 1 is an actual fedora tipper.
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>>133802472
>Anyone who didn't drop it on episode 1 is an actual fedora tipper.
I'm not enjoying this ride, but I have to see where the fuck are they going with all that bullshit.
Wouldn't be the first shit series I finished out of morbid curiosity.
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>>133802345
I feel you, wanted to do the same because MC felt too cringe to me:
- Let's go on deito, sensei?
- Do you think out personalities reset every morning?
Watched 4 episodes and it didn't become better. So with this show you don't have to use the 3 episodes rule.
I would read the novel, but as a show it's too slow paced and awkward.
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>>133792506
Well, I like philosophy, but not shit like this. This is actually brain fuck philosophy, not philosophy at all by normal terms.
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>>133802554
>Wouldn't be the first shit series I finished out of morbid curiosity.
Sorry, I should have included "anyone who didn't drop it because they're actually enjoying it".

It's quite possibly the worst writing I've ever seen in terms of dialog. There are shows where you can tell the author has no idea how smart people think, but this series comes right out of the gates and beats you over the head with a metal bat about it.
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Actually the setting for this one is garbage shit. I cant watch this.
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>>133797691
>even the very existence of the facility makes no sense
This so much. Everything else would be much more bearable if the setting didn't seem so much fabricated to make the plot possible.
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>>133802724
How do smart persons think, anon-sama?
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>>133799340
By posting on 4chan you've revoked any right to bitch about other people's taste in chinese cartoons, your taste in animated junk food is just as bad as his.
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>>133801455

>You know that spoilers even behind spoiler tags are bad for those kinds of threads because they scare away people who don't want to be spoiled

People who don't want to be spoiled deserve to be scared away. I can't understand how anyone could actually be opposed to knowledge. In any event, spoiler tags are a feature because it's expected people will share information about the future through them.
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>>133803276
Don't start with that coy bullshit. Here's a work email for an event I went to (feel free to look up the institute). I work with smart people every single day, and I'm one them. How many Nobel Laureates have you ever talked to, because I guarantee I've talked to more. I think that's a pretty good bar to set for "how do smart people think?" and I can fucking promise you that it's nothing like the garbage spewed in this show. Pull you pretentious little head out of your ass. Let me restate it in case it isn't clear yet: The person doing the screenwriting for this show has no idea how smart people think or talk, and they are an idiot. If you think the dialog is even a little bit ok, then you are also an idiot.
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>>133803655
Stop getting baited, nothing you post matters because he can just decide to keep shitposting if he feels like it.
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>>133803380
Not it's not you rascal,i watch superior anime like Lance N' Masques. I mostly read manga though.
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>>133803655
get cancer faggot
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>>133803655
Is this a copypasta? Or a new one?
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>>133803655
I was just asking a question though, I was literally implying nothing at all with my post other than asking you (with curiosity) how do smart persons think, since I'm not one and no one close to me is one either.

I do not even watch this anime, I just happened to enter into this thread and I saw your post, so I saw an opportunity to solve the question I've asked myself since a long time ago(what goes through the minds of geniuses).

But I guess you're just an asshole, so just fuck off and never come back.
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>>133803510
It's a mystery show, people watch it because it's fun to try and guess the mystery while they watch it. Not because they want someone to answer every question right away.
You're not teaching anyone anything or helping them in any way, there's no knowledge there.

Spoiler tags are just a courtesy, not an excuse to be able to post spoilers wherever you feel like.
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>>133803655
O yeah? I'll have you know i've exchanged e-mails with albert einstein!
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>>133803885
I like watching potatos too.
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>>133803855
>Stop getting baited
Sorry to break it to you, but he's the one baiting.
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>>133804036
I can see that now, yeah.
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>>133804026
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>>133792396
The only pretentious visual novel is Umineko. There goes your argument.

>>133792311
Read House of Leaves. After that most pretentious trash wont even register with you anymore.
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>>133803855
There's a chance that he's actually stupid and is angry that people are claiming he's stupid for liking a stupid show. I want to make sure he has no delusions as to how stupid he actually is. Can't have him thinking he's even a little bit smart.

>>133803927
This one's fresh, just for you.

>>133803939
>I was literally implying nothing at all with my post
>Attaching -sama to anon.
There's a clear cut implication there, and I don't appreciate the coyness. It's grating.

>But I guess you're just an asshole,
It's ok, I'm a smart asshole. You want the real answer to "how do smart people think?" Most of them are completely absorbed in their work and their work alone. A lot of them can hardly hold a conversation without coming across dull as bricks. Do you see how I can type in English and explain my thoughts to you clearly and concisely with some level of articulation? Most of them can't do that, and can only spit out endless technical details of their work. That's the reality for how most smart people think and talk. The idea that they talk in endless waves of middle school level philosophy without ever actually saying anything of substance is ridiculous, as is the notion that "smart people" actually have in depth knowledge regarding pretty much every facet of life (see: any Sherlock Holmes inspired character). The difference is that Sherlock Holmes type detectives can be entertaining and clever whereas this shit is just painful to watch.
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>>133804036
>but he's the one baiting.
>"This is not how smart people act."
>He's baiting!
Where's the bait?
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>>133804036

>Sorry to break it to you, but he's the one baiting.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're the only real anon in this thread. All other posts have been carefully crafted by me, Magata Shiki, in an elaborate social experiment exploring the boundaries between reality and illusion.
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>>133804167
They teach philosophy in middle schools in america?
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>>133792311
I can't figure out what's worse, this show or these fucking threads.
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>>133803904
>>133803939
>get utterly blown the fuck out by objective proof when asking for it in the first place
>just call that anon a big meanie pants

Well the intellectual gap between some posters here has become abundantly clear.
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>>133804468
the threads, they are full of pretentious shits
You guys take the anime too seriously
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>>133804501
What proof?
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>>133804427
Most advanced placement (or honors or whatever they're called) classes for literature in middle school will start to touch on philosophy, especially when you get into literary analysis.
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>>133804468
I dropped the show, but considering this is the second thread for it I've been in since the first week and both of them have had that MIT faggot spewing the same fucking lines about how he's smart and knows smart people and that's why he's qualified to say this show is pretentious, I'm going to go with the threads.
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I-i'm smart too! I have a PHD in liberal arts!
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>>133804563
>Works at world leading cancer research institute and interacts with objectively smart people every day
>Not proof regarding how smart people think and talk
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>>133804167
>The idea that they talk in endless waves of middle school level philosophy without ever actually saying anything of substance is ridiculous
I never thought this, I know geniuses are not edgy teens who think they're smart and above average.

And I never said I liked this show(I don't even watch it, as I said in the post I made before, I just happened to find you in this thread and I wanted to solve that question).

Anyway, thank you for answering my question(even if it was in a rude way).

>>133804501
What do you mean?, I just asked him a question(how smart people think?) then for some reason he got angry and insulted me for it, then I called him out for it and he finally answered my question.
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>>133804645
you dont work in that shit
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>>133792937
>i
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to someone who doesn't know how to use capital letters and punctuation.

Lurk more.
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>>133804501
Someone poked fun at him on /a/ and he pulled out paragraphs of ranting and "I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I'VE TALKED TO NOBEL LAUREATES." This isn't even the first time he's tried it. He's a piece of shit.
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I have a Ph.D. in Philosophy, I can confirm people talk like this
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>>133804777
I went to school for philosophy, I can confirm ___I talked like this before realizing it and getting a fucking job instead of wasting my time.
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i hope moe ends up calling sensei out on his chuuni pseudophilosophical bullshit
that would be nice
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>>133804868
What do you think she's been doing all season?
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>>133804777
>I have a Ph.D. in Philosophy

Nice! I work in McDonalds too
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>>133804609
The threads that are made when the episode is airing are quite better.
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>>133792506
>Nobody likes philosophy.
Go fuck yourself. I hate pretentious crap that spouts deep shit for the sake of it. A genuinely good show can include and expose philosophical ideas and still not be be terrible.
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>>133804664
>(even if it was in a rude way).
You're the one who opened up with facetious comment, not me. You could have just asked without the wisecrack.

>>133804609
First thread I post in. I wouldn't spew shit without proof.

>>133804708
I do. I really, really do.

>>133804774
It's ok to be mad anon, not everyone can be smart.
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>>133793246
What he meant I suppose is the creation of ego, the combination of id and superego. Ego is the mediator between the two, while id represents emotional/physiological needs and superego the 'moral compass.'

What edge mcsharp sensei said is that she never resolved her inner conflict - which apparently isn't necessary for people to live on - and thus developed multiple personalities.

It is said that often those who are consider genius borderline insanity, perhaps of the way their brains were physically constructed. Savant artists are one similar example.

One of the thing that's often brought up by the show is that humans become dumber as they age, because they have lost the ability to think like children, who are free of conflicts because they can think and do how they want due to the unresolved personalities.

Personally, I liked the banter and discussion. Is it pretentious? That's subjective. Do I like the brain juggle? Yes, I do.
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>>133805249
>first thread I post in
Bullshit.
>>132032025
>>132032196
>>132032341
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It's like I'm watching a roriconfan video being posted live.
The pretentiousness is amazing.
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>>133805322
Wrecked.
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>>133805287
>Freud
Bin it.
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>>133805322
I don't care who you were arguing with before. I posted proof of where I work, because I wouldn't make unsubstantiated claims like the last guy you argued with. Feel free to chase whatever shadows you want, but I'm telling you that the show's writer doesn't know how smart people think or talk on a fundamental level. If you think that pretentious garbage is clever, then you're an idiot.
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>ITT: People who don't like any thought behind the media they consume, instead calling that edgy.
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>>133805478
If you want to see something pretentious, then you should look in the mirror, senpai.
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>>133805478
>make the exact same claims and responses as the other guy with the exact same attitude and progression of ideas
>NO IT WASN'T ME
Yeah, sure.
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>>133792311
This is more pretentious than Lain, jesus christ.

It hasn't been this bad, for a while.
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>>133805551
>pretentious
No, pretentious (by definition) means that someone isn't as smart as they think they are. I'm objectively smart by all measures, and saying "I'm smart" isn't pretentious at all. You can call me an asshole all you want, but whining won't change the fact that I'm smart.

>>133805573
And? Anyone can make claims without backing them up. As soon as I made a claim I backed it up with proof. I'm not that guy, and we've strayed pretty far off the "This show is for idiots" point because you're fixated on dismissing what I say because you don't like my condescending tone.
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>>133803655
Real smart people would know being smart is relative.
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the constant engrish is killing me please stop
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>>133805720
Nope. That's just something idiots say to make themselves feel better.
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>>133804564
In high school they do, I've never heard ap in middle school though. Keep in mind those are college level classes
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>>133805711
> No, pretentious (by definition) means that someone isn't as smart as they think they are. I'm objectively smart by all measures
hachiman_oh_man.jpg
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>>133805249
Why are you wasting your time instead of working on enlarging our lifetimes?
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>>133804906
Tearing up and going "N-Nuh-uh!" when he talks about how perfect his waifu is. Not exactly "calling him out".
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>>133805392
Just a theory on the show, who knows. Freud was pretty much insane though, him and his mom fetish and crack snorting
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>>133805711
>I'm objectively smart by all measures

Only stupid people think they're smart, vice versa, desu wa.
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I know most of it is bait, but just how insecure do you have to be to get angry when people criticize this shitheap of dialogue, and actually try to convince others that it's smart? this is the worst fanbase of the season, so far. i bet you faggots haven't read more than 30 books, this year.
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>>133805653
At least Lain was cute and had a bear suit and a good OP and ED.
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>>133805498
>Implying there's any thought behind this show
Making a show about clever people doesn't make the show clever.
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>>133805498
/thread
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>>133805815
It depends largely on the teacher. If they have class they think can handle it, they'll happily delve into that stuff.

>>133805818
>>133805958
I don't have enough smug anime girls for this.

>>133805856
It's Saturday and I'm selfish. I'm going to spend my day watching anime and playing video games.
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Is this a science variant of the gorilla warfare pasta?
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>>133792311
>computer scientists
>smart

And dropped.
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>>133805976
Be fair, this has a good OP and a fair ED. Plus sensei has his wacky shirts.
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>>133805973
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>>133806059
Wouldn't that just be the 300k starting salary thing?
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>>133806054
Keep at it, friend. They're getting riled up. I'll be shitting on this shitfest with every chance I get.
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>>133805761
Okay senpai stop projecting so hard on people who don't even know or care about you opinion.

You trying so hard, though, on 4 chan is making me think you're objectively stupid, and that can't even be true.
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>>133806205
Your post reeks of mediocre 110 IQ.
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In my experience, there's two kinds of "highly intelligent" people.
1. The smug ones that think their area of expertise makes them a different class of human. Often condescending and even openly rude to others, unless they're asskissing someone of authority. Will brow beat you with their experience, including long explanations you didn't ask for.
2. The ones who attempt to be humble. These people will act nice enough, but won't hesitate to correct you in conversations. They will go along with people less intelligent than them, but will make it clear through their demeanour that they think of you as a temporary source of entertainment.

Neither of these types go into philosophical rants because they don't think anyone else is worth the effort.
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>>133806238
>>133806063
>>>/sci/
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>>133805973
I don't even care about the show because it's shit, but just how insecure do you have to be to wave your MIT credentials on a board full with high school/college dropouts and social shut ins?
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>>133806348
Just how insecure do you have to be to assume that everyone that dislikes this anime is the same person?
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>>133806348
Hey, I'm smart enough to leech of my woman
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>>133806238
Ooh, I feel so belittled and stupid now. Sorry xD
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>>133806405
Scratch that. You're at a dangerously low 105.
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>>133806190
I probably won't discuss the show at any point except for "What was the worst show of the season" threads, but you enjoy yourself.

>>133806205
Work on your prose, champ.
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>>133806348
Why are you mad? This is great news. Now there's objective proof that anime is for smart people. This just means we can laugh at /lit/ for pretending that reading books makes you smart.
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>>133806274
There's a third group.
The ones who are obsessed with self-depreciation.

They will sincerely never admit to being smart, they will be flustered and surprised when you tell them that you think that they're intelligent. These people are going to lecture you on anything you ask, and they'll always try telling you how simple everything is, to play down their own value, they'll always end their lecture with something like "but you know I don't really know a thing and I really hope what I just told you is true".
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>>133805973
I bet you seriously read philosophy unironically too, you pretentious twat.
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>>133806655
There's also a fourth, fifth, sixth, and twenty-eighth group, because smart people aren't aliens, what the fuck, guys?
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>>133806348
>a board full with high school/college dropouts

Speak for yourself desu there are plenty of well educated /a/nons. If you want a board full of high-school kids and drop outs check /v/.
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>>133806655
Those are just slightly above average individuals. They get weeded out by the time they hit grad school.
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thirteen Shiki is best girl.
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> This thread
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>>133806727
So basically you're saying that "people who have a doctorate are highly intelligent"?
You sound like a stupid person.
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>>133806706
People are simple. We can pretend like we're individual, and impossible to categorize, but that's just not true. It's skittles on a table.
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>there are legitimate MIT level researchers complaining about the same Vietnamese picture books as the rest of us

My sides are gone from this day forward
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>>133806875
Shit anon, that's deep. Have you ever considered writing an anime?
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>>133806727
>degree makes me smart
Kill yourself

>>133806899
MIT students aren't all that. I've taken IQ tests and gotten 140s, and I'm able to outmath some of my friends from Ivy Leagues. I didn't get in because I was a lazy fuck in high school that did no homework and just got Cs and Bs by acing tests.
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>>133806899
You didn't think all those copy pasta about being rich geniuses who watch Cantonese claymation, read Sri Lankan finger paintings, and play games were just lies, did you?
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>>133806727
My college professors might be top of their field but that's not worth much if they're complete and utter spastics everywhere else and incapable of explaining the simplest things to a class full of 20 something year old monkeys.
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>>133806928
Sarcastic rebuttals don't make you look smart.
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>>133806984
>MIT students aren't all that. I've taken IQ tests and gotten 140s, and I'm able to outmath some of my friends from Ivy Leagues. I didn't get in because I was a lazy fuck in high school that did no homework and just got Cs and Bs by acing tests.
>Literally an unironically saying that you're a lazy genius and smarter than MIT and ivy league students
>"I totally could do those things, check out my internet IQ scores! I'm just lazy."
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>>133807003
Yes.
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>>133807090
Do you enjoy anal? This is a serious question.
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>>133806984
You must of not been taught to read because he isn't a student going by that image.
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>>133803983
If you get something out of the mystery, then maybe don't look at spoiler tags? Some people just want to know what happens.
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>>133807117
They're not lies. Most anon's are gainfully employed geniuses who are also /fit/ and have social skills.
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>>133807090
I got an 800 on the SAT math section. Stop projecting.
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>>133807195

>Most anon's are gainfully employed geniuses who are also /fit/ and have social skills.

They are also lolis.
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>>133807208
>SAT
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>>133807208
lmao
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I think it is an alright show and one of the better shows this season. I don't think there is anything pseudo-intellectual about it. Seems to be just a murder mystery story with some pretty unrealistic characters in it. Nothing to get your panties twisted over for sure.

In the latest episode there was this horrible scene that was entirely in english and the voice actors did not even seem to try and act because they could not speak english. Other than that I've enjoyed it.
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>>133807226
Who do you think protects the lolis?
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>>133807226
You forgot 8+ inch dicks
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>>133807208
Come on, anon. Anyone can game a standardized test. There's no need to pull out your dick ruler in a thread like this.
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>>133800042
You're just self-centered if you think dense media is trying to think for you. It's just the author putting his/her ideas out there in a story that can help convey these messages.
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>>133807259
>one of the better shows this season.
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>there are people with intelligence under at LEAST 2 standard deviations above than the mean in this thread, right now, arguing about what constitutes intelligence
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>>133807173
I'm not looking at them. But they are still there and having a negative impact on the threads.

>Some people just want to know what happens.
They can just watch the drama then.
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>>133807208
SATs are shit that don't measure anything worthwhile. Effort and practical learning is more worthwhile than anything those test, and feeling superior because of that is bullshit.
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>>133807355
Fuck you slut. There are like 3-4 good shows this season and this is one of them.
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>>133807425
Not every post has to cater to your needs.
>They can just watch the drama then.
Or they can just have ask
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>>133807540
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>>133792506
>muh contribution to society
>muh progress
Nice spooks.
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>>133807540
>Most airing anime is garbage
>I only watch mature shows like subete fedora for mature people like me!
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>>133807699
>/lit/ actually watches Subete ga F
This is too perfect.
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>>133807570
It's not just my needs. It's the needs of everyone who wants to have an easier time avoiding spoilers and disucssing the show in here.

>Or they can just have ask
But asking in here is making the threads worse, watching the drama doesn't. Why not choose the method that has no negative side effect?
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>>133807743
I never said anything about anything being mature. You're just putting words into my mouth because you don't like my opinion. Why don't you instead write something like "I don't agree with you. Have a nice day though". You're acting like a fucking asshole right now.
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>>133807387
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I want this thread to stop.
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>>133807749
/lit/ is my favorite collection of idiots who pretends to be smarter than they are. This show is /lit/ incarnate. Have you ever listened to /lit/ trying to feign intellectual superiority because they read books? It's fucking hilarious.
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>>133807881
If you think there are only 3 or 4 shows worth watching this season, and that this is one of them, then you undoubtedly are of the "I only watch mature anime for mature people like myself" variety.

Get your head out of your ass.
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I might not be smart,but i sure as hell know that all your peers would look down on you if they knew you showed off your credentials in a thread discussing a cartoon.
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>>133806348
>board full with high school/college dropouts
Speak for yourself.
I'm not a shut-in, I sometimes go grocery shopping.
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I think what this thread has proven to everyone is that pretentious people can't help but projecting their issues onto any show that might appear smart.

The show is fine, it's clearly more preoccupied in building a decent locked room mystery and developing its main characters than trying to teach any kind of philosophical lesson.

People who feel threatened by it and calling it pseudo-philosophical bullshit clearly have problems.
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>>133808384
Just how many tears were rolling down your cheeks as you typed this?
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>>133808493
>The show is fine
>People who feel threatened by it
Literal retard detected.

Don't fool yourself into thinking you're not an idiot.
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>>133808493
I can practically see you trembling as you typed up this post.
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Can't we just conclude that the show is shit?
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>>133808771
no, but I do agree with you.
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>>133808771
The show is shit, and if you think the dialog isn't pretentious garbage, you are objectively an idiot.
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>>133808859
There is no pretentious shit in this show, only underage kids think that
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>>133808904
So you agree that the show isn't smart, and isn't trying to be smart?
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>>133808904
>only underage kids think that
Sorry anon. MITanon already called it pretentious shit.

Looks like you're a pretentious faggot.
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>>133808947
It does promote some thinking
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>>133808947
No, is only a mystery show
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>>133808947
It's a normal show like any other but with pretentious characters.
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>>133808947
I think the mystery itself and the way the story is told is smart. There's a lot of little clues and foreshadowing, even misdirection.

It's not trying to be smart in a philosophical way though.
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so this still isnt worth it? watched ep1 and was still hoping it would go somewhere so kept it on feed, but havnt watched.

its 100% garbage then?
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>>133809590
It's still in the process of going somewhere.
The ending is going to make it or break it. But considering the original novel won some prizes and had like 10 sequels, I think it can't be that bad.
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>>133809590
Watch and find out.
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>>133809695
But im making such progress on my backlog this season

>>133809692
this makes me want to wait and just marathon
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>>133809950
Marathoning is a valid choice. I just like thinking about the new clues and the characters week after week, but that requires a lot of patience because the show moves slowly.
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>>133809271
>It's not trying to be smart in a philosophical way
>The smart/genius characters are literally characterized as being smart through meaningless "philosophical" ramblings
Did you watch the show?
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>>133810114
The characters being characterized that way is not the same as the show trying to be smart in a philosophical way.
I don't feel like the show is trying to make me think about any specific philosophical topic, like Ergo Proxy would do for example.
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>>133810226
>The characterization isn't indicative of the ideas in the show
Ok.
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>>133805287
>Pretension is subjective
If you are not a genius writing the things a genius would say and playing those things off as the sort of thing a genius mind might muse, you are denotatively being pretentious.

I couldn't get past the first episode. Aside from the fact that the the main girl was dressing in shorts and leggings (#1 indicator of an unfashionable, groupthinking basic-bitch) the show overflowed with the sort of painful pretension that turned Aldnoah.Zero from goofy and schlocky to unbearably intelligence insulting.
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>>133810273
That's how I feel, those philosophical ramblings seems more to me like ways to characterize Sohei and Magata's personalities. That's what feels important, not the philosophical ideas themselves like "am I booting up my personality every morning?", but what it says about Sohei, that he's not really satisfied about his life and feels detached about his work as a professor.
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>>133810572
I'm glad that you can compartmentalize and just decide that certain ideas aren't being pushed by the story, but when the main cast all presents their ideas in a certain way, then that's very much an underlying idea the author has that they're trying to get across. Having the characters perceived as smart say those things means the author is using the "smart" vector to get those ideas across, and as such those are the ideas the author wants us as the audience to think are profound. Unless the story ends with the revelation "These smart people are actually stupid and have been talking out of their assess the whole time." then the author was on board with that pretentious garbage the whole time.

>>133810527
This guy gets it.
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>>133810714
>just decide that certain ideas aren't being pushed by the story
You seem to be fine just deciding what the author exactly means and what ideas he wants to get across. So it's not just me.
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I somehow ended up in this thread and now I really hate myself for not watching this.
The shitposting is incredible.
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>>133810900
>just deciding what the author exactly means and what ideas he wants to get across.
No, when the author says "This character is smart" and then proceeds to have that character say things, it's because they want us to take those words seriously. That's extremely basic story telling, and I'm surprised that you can just write it off and ignore it. You can disagree with it, but to pretend it's not happening is just wrong.
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>>133811014
Silly, you don't need to watch something to shiposts in its threads.
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>>133811186
Of course I do, it doesn't feel legitimate otherwise.
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>>133811056
>"This character is smart" and then proceeds to have that character say things, it's because they want us to take those words seriously.
Even that is up to interpretation, it's not like there's a narrator telling us "this guy is smart, listen to what he says", even if a character has a high level of education you can still question his opinions or morals.
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>>133810714
I don't entirely agree. I think here the philosophy is used like technobabble. The point isn't so much "this idea is important" as "this is the sort of idea smart people have". It'd be much the same if they were talking about relativity or quantum physics.
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>>133792506
>stfu
Fuck off
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>>133797676
>scientists
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>This thread
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>>133811234
>Even that is up to interpretation,
Ok, if you're going that far into headcanon territory then there's no point in discussing anything as subjective interpretation supersedes any actual literary analysis for you.

>>133811255
It's used as technobable in the sense that it's to show off how smart they are, that doesn't mean what they say can be discounted. At the end of the day, those words are still how the author thinks smart people think. And with regards to that main dark haired girl, they came out of the gates explaining her deep and unique thoughts on human life right from episode one. Those ideas are all pushed too hard to ignore.
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>/a/
>I'm smart guys!! I know that everything is nothing
>has never picked up a book
>has never read Ulysses
>has never read Gravity's Rainbow
>has never read Hegel
>has never read Dostoyevsky
>praises mark twain and poe
>watches "intelligent" anime for "intelligent" individuals like SEL or Evangelion
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>>133811876
>/lit/
>We're smart because we read books that people tell us are smart, even if we only have surface level discussions of them that revolve around how smart we are for reading them!
>/a/
>Posts objective proof that they're smart, as seen by the fact that they're world leading scientists at top research institutes
Guess which board is actually smart and which board is a bunch of pretentious children.
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>>133811634
>my analysis is objective and yours is just headcanon because I say so.
Please stop if you have nothing more to say and lets just agree to disagree.

>they came out of the gates explaining her deep and unique thoughts on human life right from episode one. Those ideas are all pushed too hard to ignore.
They, meaning the characters, Saikawa and maybe the Uncle. Not the author. You don't have to ignore these ideas but you have to keep in mind they come from characters, not narration from the voice of God.

Aside from that I think the author has a huge boner for Magata as a character, but that's more of a meta thing, looking at how she's a recurring character in many of his stories.
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>>133812016
>thinks that you can post anything objective about yourself

am I being memed
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>>133811876
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>>133812025
>because I say so
No, because I take into account normal story telling techniques and analyze them through that lens. Your entire argument boils down to
>I don't see it that way, so let's agree to disagree.

>Not the author.
You realize that the author writes all the characters, right? You literally can't separate the ideas they put forward from the author's own.
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>>133812092
>Didn't read the thread
>Goes into full "No, we're smart. Trust us, we read books!" damage control mode
Let's see your board's world class scientists. Oh wait, that's right. You don't have any because you're a bunch of stupid children pretending to be smart.
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>>133812116
It's not bait.
If all you do all god damn day is watch foreign cartoons and then go on your little american-japanese imageboard to then talk about how intellectual you are when the Japanese cartoon tries to appeal to an audience of children and normalfags you maybe are anti-intellectual.

Since you are closing your eyes and dismissing my post because it does not agree to you is very anti-intellectual and close-minded.

faget
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>>133812016
>Posts objective proof that they're smart, as seen by the fact that they're world leading scientists at top research institutes
I'm more likely to accept that world leading scientists are actually idiots that I am to accept that /a/ is smart.
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>>133811634
I don't think it should be discounted, just that it's not being pushing those ideas that hard. So far I doubt they're really going to be relevant to the story.

They're window dressing. Part of the frame. And yeah, how an author choses to frame their story is relevant. But it's not the whole picture.
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>>133812215
>ESLfag pretending to be smart
0/10, try harder.
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>>133812267
I never claimed to be smart or intellectual.

You may have caught the drift that I am superior to you, but do not fray because we are all equal.
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>>133812241
This might be the single most butthurt post I've ever seen on this site.
>/a/ is a bunch of rude elitist faggots who watch shitty cartoons!
>We HAVE to be smarter than them!
My sides have left orbit and won't ever come back.
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>>133812215
>all god dam day
>except for the part of the day they do cancer research
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>>133812339
what have you learned from watching Japanese cartoons Dr. Davido-kun?
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>>133812363
It's impossible to solve cancer and the only thing that could cure cancer is carbon nano tubes, but /a/ is too retarded to understand even that.
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>>133812339
Nigger, you're getting too defensive. I only browse /a/, this show is bad, and /lit/ is probably pretentious, but /a/ is full of the dumbest and most pointless discussion possible, and that includes most of my own posts.
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>>133802608
what the actual fuck
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>>133812378
To always cherish my friends.
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>>133812127
I simply don't agree with what you consider "normal storytelling techniques". If we were having an argument about Knox 10 commandments for detective fictions that might be a thing, but there it just seems like you're pretending your opinion is a well known rule when it is not.

>You realize that the author writes all the characters, right?
And he can write them to be wrong or flawed if he wishes to. It's pretty easy to see that Saikawa's fanboyism towards Magata is meant to be seen as a negative thing for example.
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>2015
>not being smart
I even read James Joyce and ENJOY it.
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>>133812480
Did you read the cheating version where it tells you all of the references or did you read it raw.

There's only one correct answer to this question
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>>133812378
I'm cancer-researcher-kun. I don't pretend that simply consuming media makes me smart, because it's entirely possible to read or watch something simple and overpraise it, and it's entirely possible to read or watch something that's actually clever and misinterpret it's ideas entirely. "Real books" are the endless bastion of masterful prose and deep and insightful breakdowns of the human condition that a lot of people like to pretend they are.

As for what I've learned strictly from anime and manga? It makes great Japanese practice.
一応聞かせてもらう。お前は「リアルの本」で何を習ったの?
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>>133812597
>claims to be smart
>researches something that can never be cured
>reads
>p
>r
>o
>s
>e
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>>133812477
>And he can write them to be wrong or flawed if he wishes to.
>>133810714
>Unless the story ends with the revelation "These smart people are actually stupid and have been talking out of their assess the whole time." then the author was on board with that pretentious garbage the whole time.
Yes I'm aware, and if you'd read the thread you'd know that I already touched on it. If the author presents ideas as ideas smart people have, and never challenges them, then the author thinks those are smart ideas. It's pretty easy to follow.
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>>133812597
>"Real books" are the endless bastion of masterful prose and deep and insightful breakdowns of the human condition that a lot of people like to pretend they are.
Embarrassing. You probably enjoy Tolstoy lmao. You know fuck all about literature. Stay within your discipline, dullard.
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>>133812746
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>>133812422
>>133812673
We've gone full shitpost mode, haven't we?

>>133812746
And you can continue to pretend that greentexting >genre fiction makes you a master of literature.
>dullard
The entire world recognizes me as smart because of the work I do, and only one of the two of us has been writing complete and coherent sentences. Which one of us is the dullard?
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>>133812774
ad hominem

>/a/
>smart
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>>133812872
>the entire world recognizes me as smart
>no funding
>has never came up with anything towards the advancement of curing cancer
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>>133812889
Man, cancer-kun is making you reddit tryhards really fucking salty. Do you even have enough fedora's to tip?
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>>133812241
I've been on this shit site for years, and /a/ has consistently had the highest quality discussion. Sad but true.
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>>133812509
I read the french translation!
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>>133812706
Smart people can be wrong and flawed. There's no need to say "no actually they were stupid all along".

If it's so easy to follow then you have already seen how those ideas have already been challenged and how they obviously are going to be even more in the conclusion of the story?
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>>133812957
>no funding
>Koch Institute
>No funding
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>has never came up with anything towards the advancement of curing cancer
Why don't you just say "I've never read a single scientific paper about cancer research." and save us the trouble? You sound like one of those idiots who thinks cancer is a single magical disease that has no way to be cured.
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>>133812872
>makes you a master of literature.
I would say my professorship at a Uni in comparative literature is close enough.
>The entire world recognizes me as smart because of the work I do, and only one of the two of us has been writing complete and coherent sentences. Which one of us is the dullard?
Unfortunately, for you, I just joined the shitposting -- particularly when I saw your retarded comment.

Stay buttblasted, pleb.
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>>133812422
No, the only thing you can use to cure cancer is weed.
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This is the most retarded thread on this board

Funny how it happens to have a lot of people claiming intelligence.
The test are in, IQ leads to autism.
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>>133813037
>Smart people can be wrong and flawed.
If the author doesn't portray that line of thinking as wrong or flawed, then there's no reaseon to think otherwise.
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>>133813072
Bans do it pretty well.
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>>133813103
IQ tests do not measure intelligence
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First time posting in this thread.
It is true that much of the dialogue in this anime is rather pretentious and self fellating. In that respect this kind of dialogue is hard to stomach.
However maybe it's just an exaggeration in the context of fiction. The claim that Hiroshi Mori doesn't know how "smart" people would talk doesn't seem to be rooted in reality when you consider that he's a PhD level physicist/engineer, doing research and teaching at a top 3 university in Japan. I'm not quite sure why the dialogue ended up like that but maybe it's a difference in culture? Anyways for the most part, I do agree MIT anon makes valid and strong criticisms.
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>>133813106
>If the author doesn't portray that line of thinking as wrong or flawed, then there's no reaseon to think otherwise.
Seems to me like he does. So there's no problem, right?
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>>133813071
>Claiming qualification with no proof
I'm sure your assistant professorship at a state university makes you a real lit wizard. It shows through your insightful comments and ability to make a post without shitposting.

>Unfortunately, for you, I just joined the shitposting -- particularly when I saw your retarded comment.
>I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about, but I found it appropriate to jump into a conversation without a shred of context and make an ass out of myself!
Yes, I'm the one that's mad they made themselves look like a fucking idiot.

Still waiting on you to form a coherent thought.
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>>133813228
>claims to be a cancer researcher with no proof
>says someone claim isn't valid because it has no proof
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>>133813215
>Seems to me like he does.
Yeah I don't see it.
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>>133813071
>literature professor
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>>133813135
I bet your IQ is under 130
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>>133813228
Are you genuinely retarded?
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I'm the smartest person in this thread
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>>133813272
>claims to be a cancer researcher with no proof
And this goes right back to
>>133813228
>I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about, but I found it appropriate to jump into a conversation without a shred of context and make an ass out of myself!
Try reading the thread next time, sport. Maybe you'll look like less of a blithering idiot.

>>133813309
So that's a decisive "No" on the "Can you form a coherent though" question.
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Why did this MIT retard show a credential?, like why is he replying to retards?
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>>133813365
Retard.
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>>133813275
>Yeah I don't see it.
Sure you do, unless you think portraying Saikawa as a fanboy and Magata as a killer and incestual temptress don't challenge anything. And that's just the most obvious part.
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>>133813365
anything can be fabricated on the internet

unless you show me your face, penis, timestamp, social security number, and a credible source that has your name and picture on it then you aren't a cancer researcher
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>>133813272
>no proof
>posted his badge

Looks like you can't read either.
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>muh human condition
lit dilettantes are hilarious
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>>133813399
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>>133813310
No, I am.
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>>133813399
Aren't you late for recess anon.
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>>133813429
>penis
/lit/fags confirmed for actual fags who just want to see that delicious scientist D confirmed. You heard it here.
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>>133813451
>>133813499
Retard.
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>>133811876
Is this /lit/ baiting in my /a/?
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>>133792311
Better than people in IRL at least, I'm too old for this shit. I mean, irl shits
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>>133812363
I'm a fucking physics researcher specializing in Twistor theory, you god damn peasant. I can guarantee you didn't get past Analysis or even fucking PDEs.
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>>133813554
>tfw /lit/ pretends to be smart then immediately gets btfo by actual smart people who define their intelligence by accomplishment and not choice in media
This thread is amazing.
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>>133813398
>MIT
>retard
120 IQ retard detected. Sorry you couldn't get in, chump.
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>not realizing there are plenty of successful anons watching chinese cartoons instead of wasting all their time and money on normalfag shit

You r9k fags that occasional have a circle jerk about how much of a worthless drop out you are might not be the majority you believe to be.
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>>133813649
holy shit
this
is amaz-
ing
people are this
retarded
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>>133813649
What accomplishments?
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>>133812363
>being a STEM postgrad gives you authority when criticising anime
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>>133813398
He's shitposting.
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>>133813701
you forgot
>Soft STEM postgrad

A fucking lab monkey is the cream of the crop, in here.
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>>133813687
Pretty sure just getting into the top ranked school on the planet for biomed work trounces any idiot on /lit/.
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>>133813701
>Willfully ignoring actual discussion that went with it
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>>133813681
Having a job and watching anime is one thing. Being an MIT researcher and trying to wave your dick around to prove you can tell if an anime is pretentious is another thing.
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>>133813701
>posting pony trash on /a/
>implying that post had anything to do with judging anime and not refuting the claim that it was all said person does all day

You look more stupid every post.
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>>133813750
He literally just makes the coffee whilst the genuinely intelligent people do the research. It is equivalent to the fluffer saying he was part of production for a porno
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>>133813759
I fail to see how even being top of your fucking field in biomed makes you able to talk with confidence on any topic. That's like half of the physics department at my uni, who think the only reason any field is not advancing is because it's not filled with physicists.

It's just fucking arrogant.
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>>133813759
> biomed work

Which amounts to pushing buttons on a calculator and recording the results like a trained ape, while people in the humanities grapple with the endless ambiguities of the human condition.
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>>133813750
Could you at least pretend to be a little bit familiar with what the insitute does, or are you just eternally buttblasted that you'll never get one tenth the funding or recognition that they do?
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>>133813759
I'm pretty sure me being a maths researcher at the top uni in the world for it, trumps that.

>bio research
>hard
please go to school, you fucking undergrads
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>>133813750
>>133813830
Holy shit you guys are assmad that anon is smarter than you and has actual taste in anime.
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It's like I'm really on /sci/.
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>>133813809
>>133813830
>>133813859
>>133813865
>All this eternal asspain
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>>133813865
I actually laughed audibly reading this post.
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>>133813886
>Biomed
>smart

Literally the laughingstock of STEM.
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>>133792506
But should you invent?
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>>133813874
>Math
>Harder than trying to design nano scale therapy and take into account the infinite variables associated with living systems
You got a chuckle out of me.
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>>133814006
How much math do you use for your research?
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>>133813986
>Literally the laughingstock of STEM.
No anon, that would be physics and engineering undergrads.
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>>133814058
>and CS undergrads and grads
Fixed.
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>>133814032
Mostly release kinetics and then statistical analysis of data.

How many signaling receptors have you had to characterize for your research?
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>>133813942
>>133813886
MIT autists are truly pathetic
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Can you biomed anons slow down on that aids cure there are still too many blacks and fags.
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>>133814130
>statistical analysis and kinetics
Had a good laugh. Thanks.

And literally 0, luckily.
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>>133814143
I don't work on the project directly, but I guess I could go piss in some petri dishes or something to mess with it.
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>all this humanities vs STEM shitflinging
Can we just ban everyone with a degree from /a/?
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Autism is almost literally a blindless to human subtlety, so it's not surprising that STEMlords wouldn't be able to appreciate this show (or any other good art).
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>>133814237
Banned ESLs and Normalfags would be much better.
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>>133814252
>this show
>any clever subtlety at all

Try again.
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This thread is a singularity of shit.

I'm looking forward to the future threads.
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>>133814200
So I at least have to have a basic understanding of your discipline, while you would get completely lost in a high school level class about mine.

I working on therapeutic strategies and characterization of living systems that will get implemented by hospitals and save lives, and you'll do a bunch of math theory that amounts to nothing in the long run.
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>>133814277
No one even agrees what a normalfag is.
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>>133814350
>I working
I'm working*
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Psychinko piss or this new shit?
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Except for that one screencap with sensei going on about the stupid majority, has a single additional line of dialogue been cited as an example of this show's pretentiousness?

I'll agree that sensei is annoying, but in real life you'll find lots of people who think themselves to be above the stupid masses, these people include both dumbasses, average poeple and actual geniuses.

There are probably fedora tippers watching this show and identifying with sensei, but that wasn't necessarily the author's intention, that line in the screencap could just as well be a way to characterise him as emotionally immature. Sensei even admitted to being a beta fag in the latest episode.
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>>133814383
Anyone who uses the terms "moeshit" or "manime". Anyone who actually cares what other people do in their free time if they keep to themselves and don't hurt people around them.
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So cancer kun, we are getting rid of cancer soon?
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>>133814383
The old definition not the newer one of someone that has a job or graduated high school.
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>>133814336
>the world
>any colors at all
said the blind man. He then demanded that the sighted person point these colors out if they were so bright.
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