Literally as good as Shakespeare

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Kanbaru never stops being perfect

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This series loves Kanbaru getting groped apparently.

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>>133540346
>>133541361
>>133540113
PLEASE GOD TELL ME THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER
New contender for best love story ever written in my opinion

>>133541704
They don't. Kanbaru remains alone as seen by Hanamonogatari.
She might meet a cute girl one day in the future but today is not that day.

>>133541750
>girl

>>133541750
All the doujin with them is always platinum cute.
And Tomboys are always best girl

>>133541860
Of course a girl. What kind of idiot wouldn't fuck the girls in Monogatari?
You're not a faggot are you, anon?

>>133541890
They really are but there is a distinct lack of variety in the pairings.

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>>133541704
Nah, she just wants to be sexed.

>>133542616
I want to sex Kanbaru SO MUCH

>>133542616
I'd get physical with that Monkey.

FILTHY MONKEY DIKE SLUT

I've forgotten, what was the reason as to why Araragi's connection to Shinobu was lost?
They said they got separated because of the darkness. What Darkness?

>>133541361
>Araragi wont grope her so she shows him how

16 novels later and he still hasn't figured out how to touch a boob.

>>133544381
The big ball that ate the samurai a few hundred years ago. And caused snails death.

>>133544381
Rewatch Kabukimonogatari m80

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>>133544107
ARE YOU AS HORNY AS I AM?

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>>133539926

>>133544479
but ougi killed snail

>>133544479
The samurai wasn't eaten, he committed suicide in the light.

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>>133540113
>>133540209
>>133544494
>>133544516

BEGGING. FOR. THE. DUCK.

>>133544525
No.

>>133539926
Monogatari is like the Shakespeare of anime. Elegantly put-together narratives and poetic moments combined with perverted jokes aimed at the masses.

>>133544662
Don't forget the criminal level of puns.

Meme shows don't belong on /a/

>>133544533
Oh yeah. The darkness just ate most of his original body.

>>133544662
fuck off memelord

Shakespeare was essentially just an overblown chuunu LN author inventing new ways to combine words while modernizing Greek theatre classics

>>133544525
I'm pretty sure Spooky Ougi is the anthropomorphic representation of the darkness.

Can someone please post the timeline chart?

Where the fuck does this arc take place anyway?

>>133544835
Get out of here before someone spoils you, kid.

>>133544875
Pay attention, Kanbaru found a "bed" made of desks in that building and Hanekawa helped Araragi with "fire"

STUPID DUMB

MONKEY SCUM

>>133544928
You put quotes around fire when they should have been around helped.

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>>133544969
monkey haters are getting

B T F O
T
F
O

Hold the fucking phone.

I thought she was lesbian.

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>>133545037

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>>133545037
>lesbian

Tell me this anon, is there a boy her age in the series who she does not want to mercilessly fuck into the ground?

>>133544714
That too.

>>133544604
>DUCK.

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/lit/ here

do not hesitate to kill yourself

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>>133545721

>/lit/

>>133545721
/his/ here.
Stay off my board.

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>>133545721
Go back where you came from

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>>133545721

>/lit/
>/his/

>>133539926
Yeah, as stupid as Shakespeare.

I don't know what happens in this arc but it turns her into the most level-headed and non-reactionary person in the series for Hanamonogatari. She practically does a 180 on her personality.

>>133545037
>Thinking Kanbaru is serious.

>>133546624
That's because Kanbaru's bubbly personality is a front for her insecurities.

>>133546624
she always was. Maybe Cat is more level headed but Kanbaru was always pretty smart

>>133546624
Hana is the "true" Kanbaru.

The genki pervert is just her hiding her anger, depression and self loathing,

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>>133546708
I could taste the uncertainty and doubt behind her genki this episode.

I mean she loves a girl who doesn't love her back.
Likes a guy who's taken.
Her grades in school are mediocre at best.
She can't play basketball anymore.
And she has no idea what she's doing with her life.

I think that if she stopped being genki she'd go catatonic.

>>133546708
A front, I guess you could say. You might also say she feels very comfortable around Araragi and enjoys joking and being playful with him. Doesn't necessarily mean it's less real.

>>133546819
My favourite kind of genki.

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Enlightened tomboys are my new fetish.

>>133540113
>>133544494
When is Nisio going to write an arc named Suruga Camel?

>Literally says proportions
>Translate it curves

Why?

>>133544453
I remember that he was pretty good at it with Karen during Nise.

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>>133547081
That's every arc, anon

>>133547128
skinship with sisters doesn't count.

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>>133547184
Well then, all he's good at is feeling up the ribs and collarbones of little girls.

>>133547139
P U F F Y
U
F
F
Y

I want to taste Kanbaru's vagina

>>133547252
And fucking Crab and making her addicted to his kisses.

>>133548984
To be fair, an insecure high school girl like her would probably get addicted to any form of affection.

>>133545037
Do you know bisexual?

>>133547057
I'm pretty sure there is actually a religion which believes you achieve enlightenment through suffering.
Kanbaru is going to become a Buddha at this rate.

>>133545037
>lesbian
>not fucksexual

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Crab blown the fuck out.

>>133549461
How so? The context of that is "Who I would want to die with".
I don't think Araragi would ever want Crab to die with him.
The only reason he wants to die with Shinobu is because he's still unable to get over himself and his complex that developed from Kizu and expanded in Nise.
While extremely romantic, his actual primary love interest is still Crab no matter what Batfags like to think.

tl;dr He lives for Senjougahara and dies for Shinobu as seen in Bake.

>>133549586
He both lives and dies for Shinobu. That was his vow. Yeah, it's going overboard to say that crab is getting BTFO because Araragi still loves her regardless, but don't downplay his relationship with Shinobu either.

>>133549586
>What is Hanekawa

Loli Cat=Snail>Loli Vampire>Araragi sisters>Lolis in general>Snake>everyone else>Shit>Adult Vampire>Cat>Monkey>Crab
The only reason araragi "loves" crab is the threats she made and developed a weird stockholm syndrome in the process
crab should die

>>133549708
Her too but I was just more putting the context of just Senjougahara and Shinobu given that was what was posted.

>>133549675
>He both lives and dies for Shinobu

He really doesn't though. Senjougahara is the reason he lives. The thought that "Senjougahara would kill you" has been enough motivation in this entire series to keep himself alive.

The thought "Shinobu would kill you" has never crossed his mind but "We will die together" has.
He lives for Shinobu in the way he lives for Karen, Tsukihi, Kanbaru et al.

Shinobu is the second place in this series with Hanekawa when it comes to the Araragibowl.

>>133549782
You seem to have mixed up opinions formed by your dick and opinions of the characters themselves.

What happens if I like all of the girls, /a/?

>>133549877
>Senjougahara is the reason he lives.
There isn't any clear evidence of that. If you want to make that claim, you had better work hard to back it up.

>>133547057
Fuck Haruhiism. Kanbaruism is where it's at now.

So, Kanbaru speaks a lot about sex because she's actually depressed and only seeks comfort and relief from the life of uncertainties that she's living?

On a side note, good OP. I enjoy Shinobu OPs more than the others.

>>133550015
you are a filthy manwhore

>>133549891
>implying my dick is not right

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I wanted to watch the whole series chronologically after everything has aired but overlapping arcs like Tiger and Mail kinda make it difficult. Would watching one episode of each arc successively constitute a good way of watching this in chronological order?

>>133549461
>I -- hug lightly the small and helpless body of the girl who, even with all her might, would still get crushed by the physical strength of a human.

>We, who wounded each other, lick each other's wounds.

>We, who have become damaged goods, need each other.

>"If tomorrow you die my life will last until tomorrow -- if today you live, I too will live today."

>So I vowed aloud.

>>133550581
It's not like that would make watching in chronological order any more retarded. Go for it.

>>133550581
Watching in release order is better, it's constructed that way. If anything you might want to read the kizu novel, or wait for the movies.

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a cute

>>133549461
He wants to live with Senjougahara and die with Shinobi. Because Shinobu was doomed to outlive everyone else and Ragiko can't help but want to save every single girl he meets "except math, fuck that girl" - Ragiko

>>133547826
Maybe thats just a bunch of hair down there

>>133550015
that is what we call a slut

>>133550893
HAIRY

MONKEY

SEX

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They told me I could be anything so I became a god. - Hachikuji Mayoi

Soon

>>133544494
>>133540209
>>133540113
>>133540346


I thought Kanbaru was a lesbian. Why does she want Araragi's dick so bad?

Araragi did the Rohan pose.

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>The color palette Shaft used for this episode

>>133551025
Everyone wants Araragi's dick. Probably even Kaiki and Oshino.

>>133550581
So hold one, When exactly does Araragi first meet Ougi?
By this timeline Araragi would be talking to her about Hachikuji's end before he's actually met her, wouldn't he?

wow fuck this timeline jumping. when the fuck does this arc take place again? (i.e. where's shinobu)

>>133551131
He first meets Ougi in late October. Hachikuji passes on in late August. The talks with Ougi about Hachikuji's passing are flash-forwards.

>>133550716
>>133550757
It's not like I'm not watching the series right now. I just felt like trying the chronological order just to see how it would feel like.

>>133551179
As of the building getting set on fire, she is in Araragi's room and talking to Black Hanekawa.

>>133551189
I see.

>>133550962
BEST GIRL

>>133551025
You know the gay banter straight friends do with each other? this is the lesbian friend version.

>>133551212
a little too specific there, i barely remember the names of most of the characters can you narrow it down to arcs and major past plot points immediately relevant to this new arc?

So did I miss something? Who is the samurai? If it'll be revealed in the future then I can wait.

>>133551324
Tsubasa Tiger.

>>133551131
Kanbaru introduces her prior to Ougi Formula after summer vacation

Araragi reminiscences about Mayoi to Ougi at some non descriptive time

>>133551336
The samurai is the guy who died from the Darkness 400 years ago and got resurrected by Kiss Shot before committing suicide.

>>133551324
This takes place right after Shinobu Time, and at the same time as Tsubasa Tiger. Shinobu isn't there because the big dark tagged her and broke her link with Araragi. This is what everyone went through to get it fixed.

>>133551324
Same time as second season episode 3

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why did Araragi do this pose? because he shares the VA with Rohan?

>>133551438
nisio is a jojo fan

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So Hanekawa burned the room in Tsubasa Tiger? Did she know they were there or was it just coincidence?

>>133551656
It was the tiger dude

>>133551687
Thanks anon, I'll have to rewatch it.

>>133551656
Coincidence and yes technically >>133551687.

This means the night before Hanekawa had slept there and that same day Senjougahara was bathing with Hanekawa.

>>133552089
You mean after Hanekawa slept there

>>133552142
Yes the tiger targeted the place she had slept the night before because muh jealousy.

I'm rewatching shinobu time because I forgot how Shinobu got separated (and why would she still be separated?)

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>>133550057
If you watched Bakemonogatari then maybe you'd remember this scene and how important it was to Araragi's will to live.

>>133551324
>>133551336
Did you skip Second Season or something?

>>133552270
But he's worrying about Hanekawa in that screenshot.

>>133552210
Also it's the night when black Hanekawa is talking with Shinobu in Araragi's room not when they're bathing. It was the day when Hanekawa met Kanbaru and learned about her meeting with Araragi.

>>133552308
And? He's explicitly saying that Senjougahara killing a bitch is the reason he needs to live.
He is unironically accepting that Senjougahara and her actions are the only thing stopping him from letting himself die for Hanekawa's sake and this train of thought continues on throughout the rest of the series.

>>133552362
I'm pretty sure any of the characters could kill Hitagi, so if anything Araragi is protecting her

>>133552329
Ah, I see.

Hanekawa is on her half oddity form while another part of herself is burning down a building. How powerful is she now? I she Kagenui level?

>>133552297
no just stopped caring about the series while watching it. seriously fuck nisio isin and his shitty tl;dr dialogue spam. also fuck the non-sensical time line skipping in this series. all i really care about is what i screen shotted the day 2nd episode of bakemonogatari aired senjogahara tits and ass

>>133552362
Except it doesn't and Araragi resigns himself to and risks death multiple times and Shinobu is the one who sees him through those times alive, might I add. Plus, saying that he lives because he doesn't want Crab to kill people is already grasping at straws as far as an "Araragi lives for Senjougahara" theory.

>>133552440
Yeah but Araragi isn't going to have an objective look of his surroundings.
He believes Senjougahara would murder a bitch, whether she would or could is irrelevant since Araragi believes with his entire being that Senjougahara will.

>>133552447
I don't think it's been said if she can use the cat's and the tiger's powers, but if she can then she could fight Shinobu and the land god on even terms and probably win because "knowledge".

>>133552440
I was confused at first how everyone was so afraid of Senjougahara when she is a just a normal girl with normal weight now.

Then it got me that everyone is actually protecting her. She is sly yes but besides her wits she is just normal.

>>133552468
Shinobu keeping Araragi alive isn't Araragi living for Shinobu.
That's him abusing the Vampire Regen she gives him and the Energy Drain for those times where an oddity needs to be absorbed.

I'm not arguing usefulness. Just that in Araragi's mind, Senjougahara killing whoever killed him is what is stopping him from being suicidal.
He refuses to let people die if he can help it. By keeping himself alive, he is stopping Senjougahara murdering people.
Using Vampiric Regen is the one thing that allows him to reconcile his need to be self-sacrificing and yet still staying alive so that Senjougahara doesn't wreck shit.

I've already provided actual evidence that Araragi considers Senjougahara his reason to not kill himself.
I think it's your turn to provide some screenshots, anon.

>>133552447
>Is she Kagenui level?

Nope. Kagenui would still wreck Hanekawa's shit even as smart as she is.
The fact Oshino deliberately holds back in Neko Black is proof enough of that.

>>133552639
>deliberately holds back
nope

>>133552687
Yep.

He wanted Araragi and Hanekawa to deal with that issue before having to get seriously involved.
If Araragi's gamble had failed, he was prepared to finish it and that's why he let Araragi have at it.

>>133552687
He does though. If he were trying to exterminate her instead of trying to save her she would be dead.

>>133552757
>>133552760
sounds like big talk, no proof he could actually do it, fighting monsters and fighting humans is not the same thing

>>133552757
>>133552760
I have to agree. This is the guy who stole Kisshot's heart and she didn't even notice.

He was prepared to fight VampireAraragi like a proper final boss and he treated it more like a test for Koyomi.

but maybe >>133552829 is right. Hanekawa could outsmart him sometimes.

>>133552829
He can hold off one /fit/ human, a full vampire and a half vampire all at the same time.
He can also steal Kiss-shot's heart without her realizing.

He can also judo flip God-tier Oddities which Hanekawa is not and he's an Exorcist which means he deals with oddities on the regular.

Don't assume his lack of getting involved is a weakness issue rather than a personal code issue where he allows people time to come to terms with their oddities so that they can solve their issues on their own.

He's got the skills to pay the bills.

>>133552584
One suicide prevention in Bake doesn't make the three afterwards go away. Araragi forgot about Crab's death threats long ago and is being supported through life. Plus, it's completely misleading to turn "I can't die and give a reason to Senjougahara kill Hanekawa" into "Senjougahara is Araragi's reason for living." So you've been talking out your ass, grasping at technicalities, and trying to turn them into something they're not.

>>133552877
The only reason the vampire hunters and Oshino could tackle Kisshot was because she came to die anyways. And sneaking by a monster is not the same as coming at a human who expects it.

>>133552829
He's been shown to be extremely competent against both humans and monsters though. Hanekawa doesn't have any of her old powers in her current form anyway - she's just 'self-actualized.'

The original question may not be answerable anyway. Nisio is one of those authors where power levels are completely dependent on circumstance and if two people wouldn't normally fight each other it's impossible to tell the outcome without first making up some scenario where they'd have to fight.

>>133552962
None of that is actually impressive you know that right? Most of the times he just pops out of the shadows and takes advantage of the situations, coming head on against a human who knows how to deal with him is a completely different matter.

So tired of Kanbaru being sexualized every chance they get.
If only we ever got something of the loli.
I know, it's anime and all, and it's not 2011 anymore.

>>133552972
>He has forgotten about them.

Except he hasn't. It's the reason he goes Vampire now when dealing with issues where he could conceivably be in danger. IE Yozuru and Nadeko.

>it's completely misleading to turn "I can't die and give a reason to Senjougahara kill Hanekawa" into "Senjougahara is Araragi's reason for living."

It's the same thing. He knows he cannot allow himself to die as it will kill someone else.
You're just having a hard time understanding the concept it seems.

I'm just wondering when you're going to provide actual evidence to support your points since nothing you've said actually proves that.
Just a simple screenshot would be good.

>>133552448

>I stopped caring
>lurking Owari thread asking dumbfuck questions

The hell is wrong with you? If you have questions about the series then watch it, you fuck

>>133553060
The way I see it
Kagenui : fighter

Oshino: thief

Kaiki: diplomat

Gaen: ??? admin? informant?

>>133553060
Do you just ignore how physically strong or magical Oshino is?

None of the exorcists are normal humans. They're all the Monogatari equivalent of mages. Oshino showed he could put people to sleep in Bakemonogatari, Teori used the same ability. Yozuru can create sound-proof barriers and Kaiki's autohypnosis is magical in nature no matter what he tells you it is.

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After all these years I finally know what is Araragi's reaction referencing

>>133553143
patience anon. Maybe not on this series but patience grants great rewards.

>>133553194
fuck you mate it was 3 years since that shit aired. when you watch for tits and ass there's no committing spaghetti filled plot to memory

>>133540113
>>133540209
>>133540346
What's the fucking point of this? This isn't porn or ecchi. The characters are supposed to be what draws you in and this can barely even be considered a character. This thing is nothing more than a well drawn prop spewing out meaningless bullshit to try and keep the seasonal waifufags watching.

>>133553212
Surprise attacks are always effective, even if the opponent is stronger. Do you even video game?

>>133553212
I think it's funny that Kaiki's hypnosis thing is basically a one-hit KO against humans, but only if he can get them in the right state of mind.

>>133553206

Gaen: shit

>>133553268
wow you sure are austistic, why don't you just go and watch valkyrie drive instead you dumb shit

>>133553290
Using that logic

>Surprise attack Hanekawa
>???
>Profit

But that would be too easy. I'm just going to point out that Oshino would kick Hanekawa's shit in once the balancing act has crumbled and that Neko Black had that as a plot point to why Araragi's gamble needed to work.

>>133553271
I think you just answered your own question anon-Kun

>>133553313
>autistic

hahaha says the fucking tard who considers this garbage worth remembering/analysis

>>133553239
Osomatsu-kun, right? Didn't even remember that face until I saw your webm.

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>>133549461
Reminder that Shinobu was in Arararagi's shadow when this happened

>>133553326
You can't surprise attack someone who's expecting it.
Yeah because narration is so reliable in nisio novels.

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Reminder that new Komugi next season

>>133553305
Kaiki's autohypnosis is actually super fucking effective for the kind of person he is.
He is the kind of person who knows people as his business. He's basically got a debuff that works if the opponent is scanned.
His talk with Karen gave him enough information to know she was a fiery-type full of Justice which makes her pretty similar to Yozuru.
Kanbaru on the other hand would be a water type if her symbolism, Tooe and Numachi and Koyomi Water are any indication.

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>>133551040
>>133551438
I got lazy on the trasnparency.

>>133553271
So much wrong in one post.

This is indeed an ecchi show but it's not its main thing. She acts this way becuase she is still insecure about what happened with Araragi and Senjougahara. araragi is still nervous around her (there was a quick shot of him reacting to her arm). The Kanbaru we see in Hana is the real one.

>>133553346
>dialogues are too hard for me so I'll call everyone a retard
whatever you want to believe kid, now go and kill yourself you're literally a waste of oxygen

>>133553271
Sometimes Nisio just likes to relax and have his characters banter. The series isn't exactly goal-oriented. Besides, you can see Kanbaru's insecurities peeking out through a few of the jokes if you're actually watching.

>>133553381
>You can't surprise attack someone who's expecting it.

Yes you can. It's a plot point in Owari 3 that you can actually surprise someone who is expecting you and it's even Oshino who does the surprising.

>>133548984
Crab is a shit.

>>133553151
>this statement is technically true at this specific point in the story using this unnatural interpretation of the words
>therefore all of the connotations that I have no proof for apply for the common interpretation of the words at all points in the story
You don't need anything other than basic logic to refute that. I guess I get more ammo to use when I say that crabfags are desperate shitposters.

>>133553394
I miss his narration, but I also think it was good as a once-in-a-series experience. If Nisio ever writes a prequel about the exorcists in college I hope we get some Kaiki POV again.

God, I'd ravage her so hard it would violate the Geneva Conventions

>>133553394
>Kanbaru on the other hand would be a water type if her symbolism, Tooe and Numachi and Koyomi Water are any indication.

Really? how?

>>133553419
Coordinated by Hanekawa...

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>>133553410
>eating shit and liking it

>>133553271
So this is the deepfags I keep seeing in /a/ Bake macros ruining the show.

I guess they overate Shakespeare too much,
>Monogatari>Shakespeare

Is this netoraregatari 5 preview?

>>133553542
Worst troll I've seen in a decade. What has /a/ come to.

>>133553495
The statement is blanket truth. It's a defining and visible change in his character.
Look at Neko Black, he deliberately let himself get sliced in half and had zero desire to regenerate himself once he believed he saved Hanekawa.
Contrast that with having met Senjougahara and having a reason to live now you can see the stark difference.

>I guess I get more ammo to use when I say that crabfags are desperate shitposters.

You would be incorrect in assuming I'm a crabfag. Only Batfags would assume that someone pointing out Shinobu is second place to Senjougahara must mean the other person is a crabfag and not just pointing out the truth.

You still haven't produced evidence. If you're so confident in your point then you should have no problem finding it, anon. You can produce it right?
Saying a point is self-evident isn't sufficient enough.
No dilly-dallying around this. Either nut up or shut up.

>>133553415
Nisio sucks at dialogue. No one talks like that. It's just autism / schizo speak in Nisio's head. It's cringe worthy

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>>133553568
OP BTFO

>>133553591
Real people don't talk in iambic pentameter either, but that doesn't stop it from being entertaining.

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ORE GA SABAKU

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>>133553591
>THINGS AREN'T REALISTIC IN MY ANIME

I don't watch/read monogatari series but their doujins are god-tier. I know that the main series continue to Nise, each girl got another being possessed them and that's it. Also Kizu. So, what is this Owarimonogatari?

Where the fuck are the Monkey webms?

>>133553538
Yup. Doesn't mean you can't surprise someone who is expecting you.
I'm not downplaying Hanekawa's abilities. Far from it, it would be an insult to Oshino and Hanekawa to devalue Hanekawa. I'm just pointing out that Black Hanekawa isn't enough to beat Oshino.

>>133553568
MAL-/v/-plebbit immigration of 2013-2014. The baits are not what they're used to be

>>133553618
it's only "entertaining" because that vomit is being spewed by cute anime archetype girls. imagine it being real people and try not to throw up in your mouth

>>133553640
>replying to anyone who doesn't capitalize his first word

>>133553629
Black Hanekawa is Hanekawa though.

>>133553591
Sometimes he sucks, sometimes he's great. Gahara/Kaiki, Gahara/Cat, Cat/Kaiki, HanaAraragi/Kanbaru have great rapport for example. At this point in the timeline any banter involving Araragi is just Nisio talking to himself though.

>>133553591
>No one talks like that
Some groups of friends do talk like that. They barely have any friends outside their circle and don't let anyone in because of it.

>>133553645
He's going for it again. At least gorespammer was funny, this is just pathetic.

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>>133553498
I'd rather get Gaen POV since she's not one of the underclassmen and we could get a more rounded look at all four of them.

>>133553525
Hanamonogatari is packed full of water symbolism. Tooe discusses the whole plain water/poison/medicine business. Numachi is a swamp which is a form of water to contrast being plain water and Koyomi Water is explicitly about the bath/well at the Kanbaru's house and the conversations they have about that.

>>133553620
They took this out of the BDs, right?

>>133553624
Start with Bake.

>>133553645
Sexual tension banter would be fucking magic in 3DPD show, would have me a giggle

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>>133553660
Correct. Not sure where the argument is. I'm pointing out that Hanekawa even with access to Energy Drain and sweet jumping and super sharp claws still isn't enough to beat Oshino.

THOUGH, if she could bring out Kako then yeah, he's fucked but that's because Kako would shit over a lot of lesser oddities and even Gaen praises her strength as "unparalleled"

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>>133553674
Oh wow. 3/10 not even a good bait

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>>133553681
Hana was really fucking pretty, even for a monogatari arc.

>>133541704
BrOTP desu

>>133553681
>Gaen POV
That would be a nice epilogue. It would be similar to Kara no Kyokai's epilogue with Shiki's thrid personality monologuing. And no one understood shit.

>>133553729
I don't think Hanekawa can bring out any oddity powers anymore, but yeah, Kako seems really strong if you don't happen to have Kokorowatari.

>>133553744
Hana will forever be one of the better arcs. People give it shit but they're probably the type of people that can't handle a tone shift and a relatively self-contained arc into which would be one of the strongest written arcs by NisiO in general.
Visually being outstanding is just a bonus.

>>133553744
Hana is still one of my favorite. It was very episodic but in good kind of way,

>>133553729
The argument is just twisted around. I'm saying that surprise attacking Hanekawa wouldn't work especially if she's expecting it, then you said that Oshino did perform a surprise even when he was expected, but that whole thing was due to Hanekawa's planning. So it's a pointless thing to bring up, you can surprise Hanekawa if Hanekawa told you how to do it, what's the point.
>>133553796
It it came down to it I'm pretty sure Nisio could shoehorn it in.

>>133553645
They didn't have anime during shakespeare's time, anon.
It was live action.

>>133553796
I don't think she can bring out all her powers but she gives me a feeling she is actually in control now. I bet she can do more than a normal human.

>>133553761
Gaen POV would be so smarmy and smug that it would leak off the page and it would be amazing.

>>133553796
>Sneak attack Kako
>???
>Profit

100% of Sneak Attacks against Hanekawa and her derivatives have worked.
She has really piss-poor luck when it comes to people hitting her, Black Hanekawa or Kako out of nowhere.

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>Shitty 3rd party opening because shinobu's seiyuu's lawyers refuse to let her sing

>>133553821
You need to approach that less specifically. X can surprised Y even if Y is expecting X.
Oshino just being the person surprising someone was just a neato example that helped my point.

Either way, Hanekawa has a weakness to Sneak Attacks. Every single form of her has been sneak attacked at some point.

>>133544493
i think you mean Oni m8
Kabuki is just koyomi and shinobu going back in time, not when they run from the darkness.

>whole episode happened in an abandoned classroom
>SHAFT made it work

How?

>>133553856
>shinobu's seiyuu's lawyers
>lawyers

Sorry to break this to you, man but it's Maaya herself with the issue.

>>133545037
Yes, see Hanamonogatari where Rouka tells Suruga how it really is. Suruga's just fucking with Koyomi as she always does.

The only girls in the show who have actual romantic feelings for Araragi are crab and cat.

>>133553690
Can't you just tell me what is this Owari?

>>133553884
By things she didn't know even existed, she's aware of Oshino.

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>You will never tell monkey you know that feel

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>>133553799
Mah nigga. Most of the complaints against it (small cast, melancholy atmosphere, minimal Araragi shenanigans) were positive points for me.

>>133553912
can't blame her. she just released a new album recently.

>>133553896

dialogue

>>133553933
So she was unaware Oshino existed? Pretty sure he knocked her out in one clean hit.

If we're going to assume Hanekawa knows everything then we may as well just argue Gaen vs Oshino.

>>133553896
bantz.
Wish we had gotten some sakuga for the fight though.

>>133544875
Order things happen:
Kizu
Neko Black
Bake
Nise
Kabuki
Neko White, Oni(shinobu time), and now Shinobu Mail all occur roughly at the same time.
Then comes the part of Owari with Ougi Formula through Sodachi Lost.
Then Otori
Then Koi
Then Tsuki
Then what happens in the last story of Koyomimonogatari that is spoilers, which then moves onto the third part of Owari with Mayoi Hell
And after is Zokuowari
And then Hana a while later
I dont know where Oraka fits into all of this

>we literally see everything worth seeing in this episode in the trailer

Fuck you SHAFT, I want my 20 minutes back.

>>133553980
You can blame her. It's not the first time she's pulled this and it's got nothing to do with her recent releases.

>>133554003
I don't remember that but sure.

>>133553977
Well yeah, people are just so complacent with Araragi banter that they forget the girls are actually interesting outside of Araragi and that they are all able to hold arcs on their own.

>>133553627

Never so fuck off anon.

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Do girls like Kanbaru exist in real life?

Cause I want one

>>133554059
Same.

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>>133554059
>3DPD

>>133553627

Make 'em yourself faggot

>>133554059
>>133554075
>perfection in real life

Gonna say "almost certainly no", family.

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>>133554034
Bakemonogatari, man.

>>133554030
what do you mean? she isn't being shifty, she is adhering to a personal standard and she should be applauded for that. who even wants to hear her misuse her wonderful singing gift singing as a character anyways? that's fucking retarded. i've been listening to her music since escaflowne first came out, i own a copy of Grapefruit, Dive and Lucy and let me tell you I stand behind her on this

>>133553627
>>>/r/

>>133553889
Kabuki is the closer we will get to filler. I still loved that arc and gave us more insight on kisshots mentality.

>>133554100
>knocking someone out who's not even defending
Oshino doing it again! What a genius.

>>133554102
If you want a Shinobu song then you can't have a Maaya song. Maaya makes those two concepts incompatible but refusing to sing in-character.

If you enjoy her work that's fine and if you think her not being a team player works then that's fine too but her ideals are effectively showing that she's primarily a musician and her ideals are too strict to bend which means they're going to break.
Even Yozuru's ideals had enough leeway to let Tsukihi live.

>>133554059
>lesbian
>fujoshi
>pervert
Yes also reminder that monkey is /sp/ - the anime girl

>voiced by sawashiro
No.

>>133553977
I was surprised a Kanbaru arc could be so refined.

>>133554167
you're wrong for wanting a shinobu song in the first place. character goods are fucking garbage for plebians. only idiots buy that shit

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Amazing how as soon as Kanbaru shows up the show instantly becomes 10x better

>>133554130
Let's assume for a moment we're not on a featureless plain just comparing movesets and what not which I still think would have Oshino winning.
Let's put this into proper perspective with things like sneak attacks and whatnot.
No-one in this series is sneakier than Oshino. Hanekawa is just going to get outplayed by Oshino even if it is a sneak attack.

>>133554167
how are her ideals "broken"? by not appeasing fans? what does that have to do with anything? the only thing broken is fanboys delusions

>>133554167
I love Yozurus style. A rule book with more exceptions than rules.

>>133554192
I don't want a Shinobu song. I don't care. Maaya can do what she wants.
I'm just pointing out that in a series about characters, character songs for OPs leave no room for Maaya Sakamoto to bring her ego into it and it is very much ego considering it is her ideal to do songs for herself under her own name.

>>133554201
> Hanekawa is just going to get outplayed
I doubt it. Whoopdiedoo nice speculations. Also I could knock out a 17 years old defenseless japanese girl in a second, would be a different matter if she was actually defending. It feels like you just have no concept of fighting at all.

>>133554230
And what obligation does she have to you? You shit eaters sound like you are entitled to the fucking world. THAT'S FUCKING EGO

>>133554227
It's funny because she presents herself as a real hardass in the beginning. If anything, Kaiki is the one who actually feels the need to uphold strict, unbending rules in his lifestyle.

>>133554221
They're not broken currently. She's still continued on as is and if she could stick to her ideals, that's good for her but this is reality and you can't always get your way.
At some point her ideals are going to cost her something. It might be some money or it might be a role.
That's what it means to be unbending.

>>133554227
She is very underrated. People dislike her because she's abrasive but she's easily the most upfront of all the exorcists and she bullies oddities which is hilarious.

>>133554284
She's a fucking millionaire bro. Beautiful and talented beyond all measure. Fuck you pathetic mongrel

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So what exactly happened here?
It seemed like they were saying Tsubasa was interfering but is that really what happened?
I thought she was occupied at the time and didn't know where Araragi was. Even if she did I doubt she would take the route that would set the building on fire and potentially kill him. They also mentioned a "tiger," but I don't think that oddity knew Araragi at all or at least it had no reason to save him from the samurai. It's been a while since I watched that arc, though.

>I waited all week looking forward to this arc only to see 20 minutes of cringe worthy dialogue from monkey

Just...

>>133554253
He used magic to knock her out. He didn't just smack her in the head.

Also you're arguing Hanekawa into a really weak position. You keep talking about how defenseless she is.
Pick one, either she's able to handle herself or she's not.

>>133554264
She doesn't have any obligation to me. I don't care what she does. I'm neither a Shinobufag or a Maayafag. Whether she sings or Shinobu sings doesn't matter to me.

It's not exactly incorrect of me to point out that her ideals are a result of ego and not even particularly good ideals to stick to.

>>133554301
>Fuck you pathetic mongrel

Come now, Gilgamesh. Don't you have other shit to be doing rather than posting in a Monogatari thread?

Also Maaya Internet Defense Force out in full force it seems.

>>133554331
>and not even particularly good ideals to stick to.

LOL. She has some fucking standards. Not singing half assed like a monkey to appease fucking manchildren is pretty decent personal standard to live up to IMO

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>>133554318
>implying it wasn't all worth it for this

>>133554331
He did smack her head though. Jesus how retarded are you? You can kill a boxing champion easily if he's not defending, that doesn't mean he's weak.

>>133554311
Kako burned down the school. Kanbaru could tell it was Hanekawa's oddity that did it.

I'm debating whether it was a case that Kanbaru knew beforehand that it was Hanekawa's oddity or if she is spiritually sensitive as a result of being a Gaen and could tell it was Hanekawa related.

>>133554311
It's just a big coincidence. that happens when multiple players all have the same base.

Yotsugi would have saved them anyways.

>>133554311

The tiger oddity was burning the school down since Hanekawa had slept there the night before.

She's not doing anything directly herself. At that point in time, she's Black Hanekawa and is speaking with Shinobu.

>>133553143
How the fuck could have gotten this far in the series to give a single shit about sexualized characters? Do you even know what you're watching?

>>133544875
>Where the fuck does this arc take place anyway?
This occurs when the Hanekawa's Tiger is on the loose. During that arc Kanbaru approached Hanekawa saying that Ararararagi had sent her a text asking her to meet him that evening, etc

Mentioning of the Tiger this episode should have been a dead giveaway senpai.

>>133554369
Okay. That's a fine opinion to stick with but let me just ask you this.
Who are the people that comprise Sakamoto's fanbase and buy her albums?

>>133554378
He didn't smack her with enough force to knock her out. He tapped her.
We know two things. One, that it's magic that is common between at least two of the exoricsts and Two, Hanekawa has been hit in the face before and hasn't been knocked out.
Are you saying she was prepared when her father hit her too?

>>133554331
I would have loved to see her interpret Shinobu. She takes it too seriously but I can respect her choice.

>>133554372

>no posed look
>no yey piss piss
>a few secs at a cliffhanger

I want my time and bandwidth back

>>133554453
>Who are the people that comprise Sakamoto's fanbase and buy her albums?

not just anisong fans you faggot. her albums have routinely made trips on the oricon 100. she's done none ALOT of non-anishit too. you're retarded if you think maaya sakamoto needs to lick your dirty otaku boots

>>133554461
If I had to guess, she'd probably just phone it in. She's much more into her music than her voice acting.
I'm confident she'd be professional but it wouldn't exactly be like she was writing her own music.

>>133553271
what do you think has been continuing to draw in more people? it's the ecchi shit mixed with deep shit

>>133554453
My uncle is at the anti terrorist corps, knocking out someone with a tap isn't very difficult if you know pressure points. You don't really need magic to do it. Also again she fucking wasn't fighting him an expecting an attack, holy fuck stop being so dense.

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>>133544604

>>133554167

Maybe she just can't sing

>>133554488
All I'm hearing is that you're pretty upset over some no-name that won't do an OP for a show you watch whether in character or not.

>>133554018
I was pretty disappointed with the animation for the fight too
I was looking forward to something like the Suruga Devil fight in Bake, and ended up just getting a bit of CG.
At least Yotsugi's explosion looked pretty nice.

>>133554562
LOL follow the fucking click path faggot. This started with shit eaters whining about Maaya not lowering herself to doing a Shinobo chara song like some flunkie seiyuu being paid with bags of rice

>>133554520
It's explicitly magic. I cannot keep repeating this enough.
He's using magic to knock her out. Not force, not a hit, not a pressure point. Magic.
It's the thing people in Monogatari use, ya know.
It is derived from the same basis as oddities and more than a couple of characters derive their crazy powers from it.

Also Hanekawa being unaware is just you making excuses for the fact she'd get her shit kicked in.

>>133554563
Yeah. I hope they spent some money on animation for at least a couple of episodes this arc - there are a few more opportunities for well-animated action and I'll be really disappointed if there ends up being none.

>>133554598
Ok. is that all?

>>133554552
You mean like she's a shit singer? I'd doubt that. Any conflict in regards to music and Monogatari in regards to Maaya came from her personal choice.

Wanna answer my question?
>>133553926

>>133554648
hope all you want. this is SHAFT we're talking about. still frames and omitted action scenes are to be expected

>>133554562
>no-name
How does it feel to live in some 3rd world country?

>>133554552
13 y/o detected. time for bed

>>133554652

Dunno m8 most sung ops from Monogatari sound bad. Save for platinum disco and remai circulation

>>133554627
>It's explicitly magic
Nope. Also it makes no difference, it wasn't a battle scenario so the whole argument is absolutely pointless.
"Hey I walked up to the world champion in boxing and stabbed him in the throat that means I'm the best boxer now!"

You're just grasping at straws when he actually never did anything particularly impressive if you actually give it a thought and you're not a massive retard who has no idea about combat what so ever.

>>133554685
We don't live in Japan. The internet isn't an accurate representation of who is actually well-known worldwide.
Well I mean you may live in Japan which may colour your opinion of her overall scope in regards to how popular her music is but I cannot speak for you on where you live in hindsight.

>>133554652
not really a "conflict" even. if it were this would have come up when she was selected for the role. basically the production committee agreed to this going into the project. it's only "fans" that are making an issue of it. fucking delusional losers LOL

So, what was in the letter?

>>133554700
exactly this. what professional musician would want that sort of stigma associated with you

>>133553896
almost every fucking episode of owari has been like that
2 episodes worth in false classroom
whole episode in sodachi's old room
whole episode in her current apartment
whole episode in a park

>>133554672
They came through with some sakuga in Bake, Nise, and Neko Kuro. There was one well-animated explosion in Tsuki. It's not like they haven't done it before. Of course SS is a bad sign.

>>133554717
>"Hey I walked up to the world champion in boxing and stabbed him in the throat that means I'm the best boxer now!"


Why are you putting needless rules into this situation? Oshino isn't fighting Hanekawa on her level.
If you kill that boxer, you are stronger than that boxer.
If you're smart enough to bring a gun to a fist fight, you are the better combatant.

Oshino in Kizumonogatari was already enough proof he would kick Hanekawa's shit in.
His holding back in Neko Black and then being on the edge of getting serious just shows that Oshino is the kind of guy who tries to maintain a nice balance if possible.

>>133554814
>If you kill that boxer, you are stronger than that boxer.
Okay so you're retarded, fine.

>>133554762

the lyrics to her song

>>133554837
Are you mad that the real world doesn't follow 3 minute rounds followed by 1 minute breaks?

If Oshino beats Hanekawa, it doesn't matter how he beats her. He wins and she loses. He is better than she is. End of story.

>>133554814
>If you kill that boxer, you are stronger than that boxer.
I think you have to stop now.

>>133554874
Just fuck off you have no clue what you're talking about.

>>133539926
Insults the queen and lots of swearing then?

>>133554880
And please explain to me what your issue with my reasoning is?
How many street fights have you been in that come with rules?

>>133554892
Nah, I don't really feel like it. A catfag is mad that I think Hanekawa couldn't beat Oshino and I'm enjoying pointing out that Hanekawa's tools at her disposal couldn't have her beat someone who has hit above weights much larger than Black Hanekawa.

>>133554318
that's your own fault for expecting something super amazing for the first episode. We've got 5 more to see some shit

>>133554942
I won't try to convince some idiot that the sky is blue when he's dead set on it being red.

>>133554942
>who's the better fighter A or B?
>well A could walk behind B and stab him in the neck so he's stronger
irrelevant retarded logic that noone asked for

>>133554915
tons of dirty jokes, lots of bantz.

>>133555011
Not that anon, but wasn't the question "who would win in a fight" and not "who's the better fighter?" It's not a relevant question anyway because everyone's strength depends on the situation. Nisio doesn't exactly do power levels the way shounen authors do.

>>133554976
If your reasoning is something along the lines of "The boxer is stronger than you because of physical attributes" then you've categorized strength as the only important thing.

If it was then we wouldn't have invented guns. We wouldn't use tactics or trickery.

If you kill the boxer, you are the better of the pair. It doesn't matter how you do it because you've already succeeded even if the boxer could kick your ass in a fight.

This isn't shonen. You get your victories however you can. To think you have to fight with honor and get your shit kicked in is faulted logic.

>>133555058
it's not a fight if one of them doesn't intend to fight...

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>Powerlevel discussion
>In a monogatari thread

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>>133553143
>not wanting Kanbaru to get sexualized
>not wanting to fuck Kanbaru until her entire body is numb from relentless orgasms

What homosexuality is this?

>>133555011
That's too simplified to accurately explain my point.

I'm arguing (using your example) that Oshino would be the kind of guy who goes and stabs Hanekawa in the neck.
Hanekawa isn't going to be that person. Oshino is shady as fuck.

>>133555062
Jesus, you're so stupid you can't even follow an argument. Why are you even watching this show.

>>133555109
a 10 years old kid can walk up to someone and stab him, doesn't make him the strongest man on earth... and that wasn't the point either

>>133555111
I was taking a guess as to what your assumption was.
If I was wrong you're free to tell me what your issue with my reasoning was.

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>>133555091
Shame it doesn't happen more often.
Monogatari has a lot of potential for powerlevels

>>133555146
Doesn't need to be the strongest man on earth. Even within the microcosm that is Hanekawa vs Oshino.
Oshino would win just through his own skillset and attributes.

>>133555165
It was whether Oshino could actually defeat Hanekawa in a straight up battle. And then you flaming asshole came with saying "hurrhurrr but he could shoot her with a sniper rifle from 50 miles :P" gee good job who cares that wasn't the question. But I cannot give more shits about this, you're fucking retarded and talking to you is a waste of time.

>>133555085
Exactly. If there's no conceivable in-universe reason for them to fight then you can't determine the winner without making up some kind of detailed scenario. And because the characters' strengths depend entirely what situation they are in, you can't do anything to figure out who is actually stronger.

>>133555222
He could defeat her in a straight up battle. That was never in doubt.
He's much stronger and craftier than she is.

>>133555227
then just shut up instead of spouting this inane stuff

>>133555099
But Monkey doesn't want to fuck anyone, she just wants to fuck Araragi because at least then she can have something in her vagina that's been inside her beloved Crab.

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>>133555166
>wanting powerlevel discussion
Sasuga snakefags.

>>133555261
I'm not that guy. I'm saying the whole conversation is pointless.

>>133555253
Holy fuck please kill yourself you cancer faggot. I hope you're just trolling, or I have serious doubts about mankind.

>powerlevels
>defeat
>battle
Fuck off, shounenfags, and let us grownups discuss literature.

>>133555293
Are you unironically saying that Hanekawa could actually beat Oshino in a straight up fight? Because I'd be interested in how you think the fight would go.

>>133555327
Read the thread or fuck off, jesus christ you're such a piece of shit.

>>133555320
so waifuwars?

>>133555348
You seem pretty upset, anon. Are you alright?

>>133555368
We could argue about how long it would take Araragi to make each girl cum instead.

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I WANT TO RUMBLE WITH MONKEY

>>133555429
>Araragi having issues with someone being sexually aggressive.

It's because she's not Hanekawa/Senjougahara, his sisters, middle schoolers or lolis isn't it?

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What would Monkey think if she found out that Crab and Cat have sleepovers and shower together?

>>133555480
She'd probably have a cry while fapping to the imagery.

>>133555452
I dunno, if anyone gets sexually aggressive with him he always gets put off his game. He's only into it if he's the aggressor, except maybe with Gahara nowadays.

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>>133539926
A sirrah falleth in loveth with a wench.

Unable to confess, that gent is gifted by a deus ex machina with the lass's carrier pigeon. Nev'r minding the strange bird, that gent immediately sent a message to that lady, and is overjoyed to findeth out that she hath an infatuation on that gent as well.

But, the next day, at which hour that the sir recounts the previous day's confessions to the wench, the damsel only looks at that gent with the most perplexed expression. After some investigation, that same gentleman findeth out that the wench that he hath messaged is not the same wench he hath fallen in love with. In fact, the fair maiden doesn't exist in this plain of reality at all. This woman is her alternate counterpart from another world, who hath fallen in love with the beguiled hero's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of that unrequited love.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to giveth each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons the couple needeth to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as these would-be lovers beginneth to falleth in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

>>133555480
finger herself and cry in the corner
if she stays depressed for too long she'll become mindbroken and show up to araragi's house during a late night when it's pouring rain asking to fuck

>>133555516
I dunno, man. While I agree to an extent. He never told Hanekawa to stop.

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>>133555506
I wonder how many sad faps Kanbaru has had thinking of Gahara x Araragi. She's probably overcome by a wave of self-loathing and guilt after each session.

>>133554318
>cringe worthy
This needs to be filtered as well.

>>133555565
He should just impregnate them all, it's not like it was unusual in Japan, even sister marriages.

>>133555565
Honestly. Probably a lot. She seems the type of person to actually have sad faps because she can't get over her self-loathing.

I mean how much would you hate yourself if you knew all you had to do to be with the girl you loved was go against her word and still continue to try do the right thing?

If Kanbaru had continued to pursue the Senjougahara route even after being stapled. There is a good chance she would have either personally been able to help via the Rainy Devil arm or at the very least she would have eventually run into Kaiki, Gaen or Oshino.

>Kanbaru meets Yozuru
>Yozuru straight up kills the Crab God

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>>133555634
I'm a Kanbarufag. Of course I'd miss the GET. My life is suffering much like Kanbaru's.

If only I had had the foresight to post that little bit earlier.
Though even saying that, I'm probably just in denial.

Lolimonogatari when?
6 chapters of Loli Hanekawa when?

>>133555659
Seriously, her mom likely gave her the devil arm for the sake of helping her overcome her personal weakness, but it's been a long string of pretty fucking harsh lessons. According to Izuko, Tooe was extremely hard on herself and it looks like that extended to her family.