Literally as good as Shakespeare
This series loves Kanbaru getting groped apparently.
PLEASE GOD TELL ME THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER
New contender for best love story ever written in my opinion
Of course a girl. What kind of idiot wouldn't fuck the girls in Monogatari?
You're not a faggot are you, anon?
They really are but there is a distinct lack of variety in the pairings.
Nah, she just wants to be sexed.
BEGGING. FOR. THE. DUCK.
monkey haters are getting
B T F O
Tell me this anon, is there a boy her age in the series who she does not want to mercilessly fuck into the ground?
do not hesitate to kill yourself
I don't know what happens in this arc but it turns her into the most level-headed and non-reactionary person in the series for Hanamonogatari. She practically does a 180 on her personality.
I could taste the uncertainty and doubt behind her genki this episode.
I mean she loves a girl who doesn't love her back.
Likes a guy who's taken.
Her grades in school are mediocre at best.
She can't play basketball anymore.
And she has no idea what she's doing with her life.
I think that if she stopped being genki she'd go catatonic.
A front, I guess you could say. You might also say she feels very comfortable around Araragi and enjoys joking and being playful with him. Doesn't necessarily mean it's less real.
Enlightened tomboys are my new fetish.
Well then, all he's good at is feeling up the ribs and collarbones of little girls.
Crab blown the fuck out.
How so? The context of that is "Who I would want to die with".
I don't think Araragi would ever want Crab to die with him.
The only reason he wants to die with Shinobu is because he's still unable to get over himself and his complex that developed from Kizu and expanded in Nise.
While extremely romantic, his actual primary love interest is still Crab no matter what Batfags like to think.
tl;dr He lives for Senjougahara and dies for Shinobu as seen in Bake.
He both lives and dies for Shinobu. That was his vow. Yeah, it's going overboard to say that crab is getting BTFO because Araragi still loves her regardless, but don't downplay his relationship with Shinobu either.
Loli Cat=Snail>Loli Vampire>Araragi sisters>Lolis in general>Snake>everyone else>Shit>Adult Vampire>Cat>Monkey>Crab
The only reason araragi "loves" crab is the threats she made and developed a weird stockholm syndrome in the process
crab should die
Her too but I was just more putting the context of just Senjougahara and Shinobu given that was what was posted.
>He both lives and dies for Shinobu
He really doesn't though. Senjougahara is the reason he lives. The thought that "Senjougahara would kill you" has been enough motivation in this entire series to keep himself alive.
The thought "Shinobu would kill you" has never crossed his mind but "We will die together" has.
He lives for Shinobu in the way he lives for Karen, Tsukihi, Kanbaru et al.
Shinobu is the second place in this series with Hanekawa when it comes to the Araragibowl.
So, Kanbaru speaks a lot about sex because she's actually depressed and only seeks comfort and relief from the life of uncertainties that she's living?
On a side note, good OP. I enjoy Shinobu OPs more than the others.
I wanted to watch the whole series chronologically after everything has aired but overlapping arcs like Tiger and Mail kinda make it difficult. Would watching one episode of each arc successively constitute a good way of watching this in chronological order?
>I -- hug lightly the small and helpless body of the girl who, even with all her might, would still get crushed by the physical strength of a human.
>We, who wounded each other, lick each other's wounds.
>We, who have become damaged goods, need each other.
>"If tomorrow you die my life will last until tomorrow -- if today you live, I too will live today."
>So I vowed aloud.
He wants to live with Senjougahara and die with Shinobi. Because Shinobu was doomed to outlive everyone else and Ragiko can't help but want to save every single girl he meets
"except math, fuck that girl" - Ragiko
They told me I could be anything so I became a god. - Hachikuji Mayoi
a little too specific there, i barely remember the names of most of the characters can you narrow it down to arcs and major past plot points immediately relevant to this new arc?
This takes place right after Shinobu Time, and at the same time as Tsubasa Tiger. Shinobu isn't there because the big dark tagged her and broke her link with Araragi. This is what everyone went through to get it fixed.
why did Araragi do this pose? because he shares the VA with Rohan?
So Hanekawa burned the room in Tsubasa Tiger? Did she know they were there or was it just coincidence?
Yes the tiger targeted the place she had slept the night before because muh jealousy.
I'm rewatching shinobu time because I forgot how Shinobu got separated (and why would she still be separated?)
If you watched Bakemonogatari then maybe you'd remember this scene and how important it was to Araragi's will to live.
Also it's the night when black Hanekawa is talking with Shinobu in Araragi's room not when they're bathing. It was the day when Hanekawa met Kanbaru and learned about her meeting with Araragi.
And? He's explicitly saying that Senjougahara killing a bitch is the reason he needs to live.
He is unironically accepting that Senjougahara and her actions are the only thing stopping him from letting himself die for Hanekawa's sake and this train of thought continues on throughout the rest of the series.
no just stopped caring about the series while watching it. seriously fuck nisio isin and his shitty tl;dr dialogue spam. also fuck the non-sensical time line skipping in this series. all i really care about is what i screen shotted the day 2nd episode of bakemonogatari aired senjogahara tits and ass
Except it doesn't and Araragi resigns himself to and risks death multiple times and Shinobu is the one who sees him through those times alive, might I add. Plus, saying that he lives because he doesn't want Crab to kill people is already grasping at straws as far as an "Araragi lives for Senjougahara" theory.
Yeah but Araragi isn't going to have an objective look of his surroundings.
He believes Senjougahara would murder a bitch, whether she would or could is irrelevant since Araragi believes with his entire being that Senjougahara will.
I don't think it's been said if she can use the cat's and the tiger's powers, but if she can then she could fight Shinobu and the land god on even terms and probably win because "knowledge".
I was confused at first how everyone was so afraid of Senjougahara when she is a just a normal girl with normal weight now.
Then it got me that everyone is actually protecting her. She is sly yes but besides her wits she is just normal.
Shinobu keeping Araragi alive isn't Araragi living for Shinobu.
That's him abusing the Vampire Regen she gives him and the Energy Drain for those times where an oddity needs to be absorbed.
I'm not arguing usefulness. Just that in Araragi's mind, Senjougahara killing whoever killed him is what is stopping him from being suicidal.
He refuses to let people die if he can help it. By keeping himself alive, he is stopping Senjougahara murdering people.
Using Vampiric Regen is the one thing that allows him to reconcile his need to be self-sacrificing and yet still staying alive so that Senjougahara doesn't wreck shit.
I've already provided actual evidence that Araragi considers Senjougahara his reason to not kill himself.
I think it's your turn to provide some screenshots, anon.
He wanted Araragi and Hanekawa to deal with that issue before having to get seriously involved.
If Araragi's gamble had failed, he was prepared to finish it and that's why he let Araragi have at it.
I have to agree. This is the guy who stole Kisshot's heart and she didn't even notice.
He was prepared to fight VampireAraragi like a proper final boss and he treated it more like a test for Koyomi.
but maybe >>133552829 is right. Hanekawa could outsmart him sometimes.
He can hold off one /fit/ human, a full vampire and a half vampire all at the same time.
He can also steal Kiss-shot's heart without her realizing.
He can also judo flip God-tier Oddities which Hanekawa is not and he's an Exorcist which means he deals with oddities on the regular.
Don't assume his lack of getting involved is a weakness issue rather than a personal code issue where he allows people time to come to terms with their oddities so that they can solve their issues on their own.
He's got the skills to pay the bills.
One suicide prevention in Bake doesn't make the three afterwards go away. Araragi forgot about Crab's death threats long ago and is being supported through life. Plus, it's completely misleading to turn "I can't die and give a reason to Senjougahara kill Hanekawa" into "Senjougahara is Araragi's reason for living." So you've been talking out your ass, grasping at technicalities, and trying to turn them into something they're not.
The only reason the vampire hunters and Oshino could tackle Kisshot was because she came to die anyways. And sneaking by a monster is not the same as coming at a human who expects it.
He's been shown to be extremely competent against both humans and monsters though. Hanekawa doesn't have any of her old powers in her current form anyway - she's just 'self-actualized.'
The original question may not be answerable anyway. Nisio is one of those authors where power levels are completely dependent on circumstance and if two people wouldn't normally fight each other it's impossible to tell the outcome without first making up some scenario where they'd have to fight.
None of that is actually impressive you know that right? Most of the times he just pops out of the shadows and takes advantage of the situations, coming head on against a human who knows how to deal with him is a completely different matter.
>He has forgotten about them.
Except he hasn't. It's the reason he goes Vampire now when dealing with issues where he could conceivably be in danger. IE Yozuru and Nadeko.
>it's completely misleading to turn "I can't die and give a reason to Senjougahara kill Hanekawa" into "Senjougahara is Araragi's reason for living."
It's the same thing. He knows he cannot allow himself to die as it will kill someone else.
You're just having a hard time understanding the concept it seems.
I'm just wondering when you're going to provide actual evidence to support your points since nothing you've said actually proves that.
Just a simple screenshot would be good.
Do you just ignore how physically strong or magical Oshino is?
None of the exorcists are normal humans. They're all the Monogatari equivalent of mages. Oshino showed he could put people to sleep in Bakemonogatari, Teori used the same ability. Yozuru can create sound-proof barriers and Kaiki's autohypnosis is magical in nature no matter what he tells you it is.
After all these years I finally know what is Araragi's reaction referencing
What's the fucking point of this? This isn't porn or ecchi. The characters are supposed to be what draws you in and this can barely even be considered a character. This thing is nothing more than a well drawn prop spewing out meaningless bullshit to try and keep the seasonal waifufags watching.
Using that logic
>Surprise attack Hanekawa
But that would be too easy. I'm just going to point out that Oshino would kick Hanekawa's shit in once the balancing act has crumbled and that Neko Black had that as a plot point to why Araragi's gamble needed to work.
Reminder that Shinobu was in Arararagi's shadow when this happened
Kaiki's autohypnosis is actually super fucking effective for the kind of person he is.
He is the kind of person who knows people as his business. He's basically got a debuff that works if the opponent is scanned.
His talk with Karen gave him enough information to know she was a fiery-type full of Justice which makes her pretty similar to Yozuru.
Kanbaru on the other hand would be a water type if her symbolism, Tooe and Numachi and Koyomi Water are any indication.
I got lazy on the trasnparency.
So much wrong in one post.
This is indeed an ecchi show but it's not its main thing. She acts this way becuase she is still insecure about what happened with Araragi and Senjougahara. araragi is still nervous around her (there was a quick shot of him reacting to her arm). The Kanbaru we see in Hana is the real one.
Sometimes Nisio just likes to relax and have his characters banter. The series isn't exactly goal-oriented. Besides, you can see Kanbaru's insecurities peeking out through a few of the jokes if you're actually watching.
>You can't surprise attack someone who's expecting it.
Yes you can. It's a plot point in Owari 3 that you can actually surprise someone who is expecting you and it's even Oshino who does the surprising.
>this statement is technically true at this specific point in the story using this unnatural interpretation of the words
>therefore all of the connotations that I have no proof for apply for the common interpretation of the words at all points in the story
You don't need anything other than basic logic to refute that. I guess I get more ammo to use when I say that crabfags are desperate shitposters.
I miss his narration, but I also think it was good as a once-in-a-series experience. If Nisio ever writes a prequel about the exorcists in college I hope we get some Kaiki POV again.
The statement is blanket truth. It's a defining and visible change in his character.
Look at Neko Black, he deliberately let himself get sliced in half and had zero desire to regenerate himself once he believed he saved Hanekawa.
Contrast that with having met Senjougahara and having a reason to live now you can see the stark difference.
>I guess I get more ammo to use when I say that crabfags are desperate shitposters.
You would be incorrect in assuming I'm a crabfag. Only Batfags would assume that someone pointing out Shinobu is second place to Senjougahara must mean the other person is a crabfag and not just pointing out the truth.
You still haven't produced evidence. If you're so confident in your point then you should have no problem finding it, anon. You can produce it right?
Saying a point is self-evident isn't sufficient enough.
No dilly-dallying around this. Either nut up or shut up.
>THINGS AREN'T REALISTIC IN MY ANIME
I don't watch/read monogatari series but their doujins are god-tier. I know that the main series continue to Nise, each girl got another being possessed them and that's it. Also Kizu. So, what is this Owarimonogatari?
Yup. Doesn't mean you can't surprise someone who is expecting you.
I'm not downplaying Hanekawa's abilities. Far from it, it would be an insult to Oshino and Hanekawa to devalue Hanekawa. I'm just pointing out that Black Hanekawa isn't enough to beat Oshino.
Sometimes he sucks, sometimes he's great. Gahara/Kaiki, Gahara/Cat, Cat/Kaiki, HanaAraragi/Kanbaru have great rapport for example. At this point in the timeline any banter involving Araragi is just Nisio talking to himself though.
I'd rather get Gaen POV since she's not one of the underclassmen and we could get a more rounded look at all four of them.
Hanamonogatari is packed full of water symbolism. Tooe discusses the whole plain water/poison/medicine business. Numachi is a swamp which is a form of water to contrast being plain water and Koyomi Water is explicitly about the bath/well at the Kanbaru's house and the conversations they have about that.
Correct. Not sure where the argument is. I'm pointing out that Hanekawa even with access to Energy Drain and sweet jumping and super sharp claws still isn't enough to beat Oshino.
THOUGH, if she could bring out Kako then yeah, he's fucked but that's because Kako would shit over a lot of lesser oddities and even Gaen praises her strength as "unparalleled"
Hana was really fucking pretty, even for a monogatari arc.
Hana will forever be one of the better arcs. People give it shit but they're probably the type of people that can't handle a tone shift and a relatively self-contained arc into which would be one of the strongest written arcs by NisiO in general.
Visually being outstanding is just a bonus.
The argument is just twisted around. I'm saying that surprise attacking Hanekawa wouldn't work especially if she's expecting it, then you said that Oshino did perform a surprise even when he was expected, but that whole thing was due to Hanekawa's planning. So it's a pointless thing to bring up, you can surprise Hanekawa if Hanekawa told you how to do it, what's the point.
It it came down to it I'm pretty sure Nisio could shoehorn it in.
Gaen POV would be so smarmy and smug that it would leak off the page and it would be amazing.
>Sneak attack Kako
100% of Sneak Attacks against Hanekawa and her derivatives have worked.
She has really piss-poor luck when it comes to people hitting her, Black Hanekawa or Kako out of nowhere.
>Shitty 3rd party opening because shinobu's seiyuu's lawyers refuse to let her sing
You need to approach that less specifically. X can surprised Y even if Y is expecting X.
Oshino just being the person surprising someone was just a neato example that helped my point.
Either way, Hanekawa has a weakness to Sneak Attacks. Every single form of her has been sneak attacked at some point.
Yes, see Hanamonogatari where Rouka tells Suruga how it really is. Suruga's just fucking with Koyomi as she always does.
The only girls in the show who have actual romantic feelings for Araragi are crab and cat.
>You will never tell monkey you know that feel
Mah nigga. Most of the complaints against it (small cast, melancholy atmosphere, minimal Araragi shenanigans) were positive points for me.
So she was unaware Oshino existed? Pretty sure he knocked her out in one clean hit.
If we're going to assume Hanekawa knows everything then we may as well just argue Gaen vs Oshino.
Order things happen:
Neko White, Oni(shinobu time), and now Shinobu Mail all occur roughly at the same time.
Then comes the part of Owari with Ougi Formula through Sodachi Lost.
Then what happens in the last story of Koyomimonogatari that is spoilers, which then moves onto the third part of Owari with Mayoi Hell
And after is Zokuowari
And then Hana a while later
I dont know where Oraka fits into all of this
Well yeah, people are just so complacent with Araragi banter that they forget the girls are actually interesting outside of Araragi and that they are all able to hold arcs on their own.
Do girls like Kanbaru exist in real life?
Cause I want one
what do you mean? she isn't being shifty, she is adhering to a personal standard and she should be applauded for that. who even wants to hear her misuse her wonderful singing gift singing as a character anyways? that's fucking retarded. i've been listening to her music since escaflowne first came out, i own a copy of Grapefruit, Dive and Lucy and let me tell you I stand behind her on this
If you want a Shinobu song then you can't have a Maaya song. Maaya makes those two concepts incompatible but refusing to sing in-character.
If you enjoy her work that's fine and if you think her not being a team player works then that's fine too but her ideals are effectively showing that she's primarily a musician and her ideals are too strict to bend which means they're going to break.
Even Yozuru's ideals had enough leeway to let Tsukihi live.
Amazing how as soon as Kanbaru shows up the show instantly becomes 10x better
Let's assume for a moment we're not on a featureless plain just comparing movesets and what not which I still think would have Oshino winning.
Let's put this into proper perspective with things like sneak attacks and whatnot.
No-one in this series is sneakier than Oshino. Hanekawa is just going to get outplayed by Oshino even if it is a sneak attack.
I don't want a Shinobu song. I don't care. Maaya can do what she wants.
I'm just pointing out that in a series about characters, character songs for OPs leave no room for Maaya Sakamoto to bring her ego into it and it is very much ego considering it is her ideal to do songs for herself under her own name.
> Hanekawa is just going to get outplayed
I doubt it. Whoopdiedoo nice speculations. Also I could knock out a 17 years old defenseless japanese girl in a second, would be a different matter if she was actually defending. It feels like you just have no concept of fighting at all.
It's funny because she presents herself as a real hardass in the beginning. If anything, Kaiki is the one who actually feels the need to uphold strict, unbending rules in his lifestyle.
They're not broken currently. She's still continued on as is and if she could stick to her ideals, that's good for her but this is reality and you can't always get your way.
At some point her ideals are going to cost her something. It might be some money or it might be a role.
That's what it means to be unbending.
She is very underrated. People dislike her because she's abrasive but she's easily the most upfront of all the exorcists and she bullies oddities which is hilarious.
So what exactly happened here?
It seemed like they were saying Tsubasa was interfering but is that really what happened?
I thought she was occupied at the time and didn't know where Araragi was. Even if she did I doubt she would take the route that would set the building on fire and potentially kill him. They also mentioned a "tiger," but I don't think that oddity knew Araragi at all or at least it had no reason to save him from the samurai. It's been a while since I watched that arc, though.
He used magic to knock her out. He didn't just smack her in the head.
Also you're arguing Hanekawa into a really weak position. You keep talking about how defenseless she is.
Pick one, either she's able to handle herself or she's not.
She doesn't have any obligation to me. I don't care what she does. I'm neither a Shinobufag or a Maayafag. Whether she sings or Shinobu sings doesn't matter to me.
It's not exactly incorrect of me to point out that her ideals are a result of ego and not even particularly good ideals to stick to.
>Fuck you pathetic mongrel
Come now, Gilgamesh. Don't you have other shit to be doing rather than posting in a Monogatari thread?
Also Maaya Internet Defense Force out in full force it seems.
>and not even particularly good ideals to stick to.
LOL. She has some fucking standards. Not singing half assed like a monkey to appease fucking manchildren is pretty decent personal standard to live up to IMO
>implying it wasn't all worth it for this
Kako burned down the school. Kanbaru could tell it was Hanekawa's oddity that did it.
I'm debating whether it was a case that Kanbaru knew beforehand that it was Hanekawa's oddity or if she is spiritually sensitive as a result of being a Gaen and could tell it was Hanekawa related.
The tiger oddity was burning the school down since Hanekawa had slept there the night before.
She's not doing anything directly herself. At that point in time, she's Black Hanekawa and is speaking with Shinobu.
>Where the fuck does this arc take place anyway?
This occurs when the Hanekawa's Tiger is on the loose. During that arc Kanbaru approached Hanekawa saying that Ararararagi had sent her a text asking her to meet him that evening, etc
Mentioning of the Tiger this episode should have been a dead giveaway senpai.
Okay. That's a fine opinion to stick with but let me just ask you this.
Who are the people that comprise Sakamoto's fanbase and buy her albums?
He didn't smack her with enough force to knock her out. He tapped her.
We know two things. One, that it's magic that is common between at least two of the exoricsts and Two, Hanekawa has been hit in the face before and hasn't been knocked out.
Are you saying she was prepared when her father hit her too?
>Who are the people that comprise Sakamoto's fanbase and buy her albums?
not just anisong fans you faggot. her albums have routinely made trips on the oricon 100. she's done none ALOT of non-anishit too. you're retarded if you think maaya sakamoto needs to lick your dirty otaku boots
If I had to guess, she'd probably just phone it in. She's much more into her music than her voice acting.
I'm confident she'd be professional but it wouldn't exactly be like she was writing her own music.
My uncle is at the anti terrorist corps, knocking out someone with a tap isn't very difficult if you know pressure points. You don't really need magic to do it. Also again she fucking wasn't fighting him an expecting an attack, holy fuck stop being so dense.
I was pretty disappointed with the animation for the fight too
I was looking forward to something like the Suruga Devil fight in Bake, and ended up just getting a bit of CG.
At least Yotsugi's explosion looked pretty nice.
LOL follow the fucking click path faggot. This started with shit eaters whining about Maaya not lowering herself to doing a Shinobo chara song like some flunkie seiyuu being paid with bags of rice
It's explicitly magic. I cannot keep repeating this enough.
He's using magic to knock her out. Not force, not a hit, not a pressure point. Magic.
It's the thing people in Monogatari use, ya know.
It is derived from the same basis as oddities and more than a couple of characters derive their crazy powers from it.
Also Hanekawa being unaware is just you making excuses for the fact she'd get her shit kicked in.
Yeah. I hope they spent some money on animation for at least a couple of episodes this arc - there are a few more opportunities for well-animated action and I'll be really disappointed if there ends up being none.
Ok. is that all?
You mean like she's a shit singer? I'd doubt that. Any conflict in regards to music and Monogatari in regards to Maaya came from her personal choice.
>It's explicitly magic
Nope. Also it makes no difference, it wasn't a battle scenario so the whole argument is absolutely pointless.
"Hey I walked up to the world champion in boxing and stabbed him in the throat that means I'm the best boxer now!"
You're just grasping at straws when he actually never did anything particularly impressive if you actually give it a thought and you're not a massive retard who has no idea about combat what so ever.
We don't live in Japan. The internet isn't an accurate representation of who is actually well-known worldwide.
Well I mean you may live in Japan which may colour your opinion of her overall scope in regards to how popular her music is but I cannot speak for you on where you live in hindsight.
not really a "conflict" even. if it were this would have come up when she was selected for the role. basically the production committee agreed to this going into the project. it's only "fans" that are making an issue of it. fucking delusional losers LOL
almost every fucking episode of owari has been like that
2 episodes worth in false classroom
whole episode in sodachi's old room
whole episode in her current apartment
whole episode in a park
They came through with some sakuga in Bake, Nise, and Neko Kuro. There was one well-animated explosion in Tsuki. It's not like they haven't done it before. Of course SS is a bad sign.
>"Hey I walked up to the world champion in boxing and stabbed him in the throat that means I'm the best boxer now!"
Why are you putting needless rules into this situation? Oshino isn't fighting Hanekawa on her level.
If you kill that boxer, you are stronger than that boxer.
If you're smart enough to bring a gun to a fist fight, you are the better combatant.
Oshino in Kizumonogatari was already enough proof he would kick Hanekawa's shit in.
His holding back in Neko Black and then being on the edge of getting serious just shows that Oshino is the kind of guy who tries to maintain a nice balance if possible.
Are you mad that the real world doesn't follow 3 minute rounds followed by 1 minute breaks?
If Oshino beats Hanekawa, it doesn't matter how he beats her. He wins and she loses. He is better than she is. End of story.
And please explain to me what your issue with my reasoning is?
How many street fights have you been in that come with rules?
Nah, I don't really feel like it. A catfag is mad that I think Hanekawa couldn't beat Oshino and I'm enjoying pointing out that Hanekawa's tools at her disposal couldn't have her beat someone who has hit above weights much larger than Black Hanekawa.
Not that anon, but wasn't the question "who would win in a fight" and not "who's the better fighter?" It's not a relevant question anyway because everyone's strength depends on the situation. Nisio doesn't exactly do power levels the way shounen authors do.
If your reasoning is something along the lines of "The boxer is stronger than you because of physical attributes" then you've categorized strength as the only important thing.
If it was then we wouldn't have invented guns. We wouldn't use tactics or trickery.
If you kill the boxer, you are the better of the pair. It doesn't matter how you do it because you've already succeeded even if the boxer could kick your ass in a fight.
This isn't shonen. You get your victories however you can. To think you have to fight with honor and get your shit kicked in is faulted logic.
>not wanting Kanbaru to get sexualized
>not wanting to fuck Kanbaru until her entire body is numb from relentless orgasms
What homosexuality is this?
That's too simplified to accurately explain my point.
I'm arguing (using your example) that Oshino would be the kind of guy who goes and stabs Hanekawa in the neck.
Hanekawa isn't going to be that person. Oshino is shady as fuck.
Shame it doesn't happen more often.
Monogatari has a lot of potential for powerlevels
It was whether Oshino could actually defeat Hanekawa in a straight up battle. And then you flaming asshole came with saying "hurrhurrr but he could shoot her with a sniper rifle from 50 miles :P" gee good job who cares that wasn't the question. But I cannot give more shits about this, you're fucking retarded and talking to you is a waste of time.
Exactly. If there's no conceivable in-universe reason for them to fight then you can't determine the winner without making up some kind of detailed scenario. And because the characters' strengths depend entirely what situation they are in, you can't do anything to figure out who is actually stronger.
>wanting powerlevel discussion
I WANT TO RUMBLE WITH MONKEY
What would Monkey think if she found out that Crab and Cat have sleepovers and shower together?
A sirrah falleth in loveth with a wench.
Unable to confess, that gent is gifted by a deus ex machina with the lass's carrier pigeon. Nev'r minding the strange bird, that gent immediately sent a message to that lady, and is overjoyed to findeth out that she hath an infatuation on that gent as well.
But, the next day, at which hour that the sir recounts the previous day's confessions to the wench, the damsel only looks at that gent with the most perplexed expression. After some investigation, that same gentleman findeth out that the wench that he hath messaged is not the same wench he hath fallen in love with. In fact, the fair maiden doesn't exist in this plain of reality at all. This woman is her alternate counterpart from another world, who hath fallen in love with the beguiled hero's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of that unrequited love.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to giveth each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons the couple needeth to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as these would-be lovers beginneth to falleth in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
finger herself and cry in the corner
if she stays depressed for too long she'll become mindbroken and show up to araragi's house during a late night when it's pouring rain asking to fuck
I wonder how many sad faps Kanbaru has had thinking of Gahara x Araragi. She's probably overcome by a wave of self-loathing and guilt after each session.
Honestly. Probably a lot. She seems the type of person to actually have sad faps because she can't get over her self-loathing.
I mean how much would you hate yourself if you knew all you had to do to be with the girl you loved was go against her word and still continue to try do the right thing?
If Kanbaru had continued to pursue the Senjougahara route even after being stapled. There is a good chance she would have either personally been able to help via the Rainy Devil arm or at the very least she would have eventually run into Kaiki, Gaen or Oshino.
>Kanbaru meets Yozuru
>Yozuru straight up kills the Crab God
I'm a Kanbarufag. Of course I'd miss the GET. My life is suffering much like Kanbaru's.
If only I had had the foresight to post that little bit earlier.
Though even saying that, I'm probably just in denial.
Seriously, her mom likely gave her the devil arm for the sake of helping her overcome her personal weakness, but it's been a long string of pretty fucking harsh lessons. According to Izuko, Tooe was extremely hard on herself and it looks like that extended to her family.
I cannot wait for Tooe to appear. She's going to be a best girl without a doubt.
She's the kind of girl who is so unaware of herself that she thinks the Rainy Devil is a suitable method of helping someone overcome their weakness.
I mean she's right, of course she's right but fuck me she's given Kanbaru a hard job for the future.
It's not like Tooe wouldn't be aware that Kanbaru has such a strong sense of duty that she wouldn't take up the job of parts hunting even if given an out.
I really want to know if being a Gaen gives you any special benefits oddity-wise.
Commie pls use one of these
I've always disliked monkey but in this episode I actually really enjoyed her
How did this whole "Maaya Sakamoto personally hates character songs" thing start? Are people just ignoring the obvious possibility that her label won't let her do songs with other companies?
Question: If you're one of those people who drinks the social justice Kool-Aid and believes "sexualization" is a problem, literally why do you watch anime?
If you're complaining that they sexualize Kanbaru and not the lolis then, we're on the roughly same page.
Why doesn't Kaiki believe in apparitions again? He hung out with Gaen and Meme for fucks sake, you'd think he'd be a bit more open-minded.
I don't know why but this Kanbaru feels a little different than usual
I mean she's like best girl...
I've always thought Monogatari was boring and shit, but this season is pretty fuckin' rad.
I guess I'll have to rewatch the other seasons some time.
araragi best girl
It wasn't a coincidence. She knew monkey was supposed to meet here there and was jealous.
Don't bully the monkey guys. I can't take it anymore. Why can't anyone give her even a hug?
Absolutely nothing. In fact, It's the episode itself who reminded me that we had jumped to another arc. But Kanbaru kept rambling on and on about sex and shit and I hate it when people keep speaking about this shit.
Well, I guess that not everyone can have the same tastes.
>But Kanbaru kept rambling on and on about sex and shit and I hate it when people keep speaking about this shit.
>hate people talking about sex
Do you want to tell us about it anon? Get it all out there.
>But Kanbaru kept rambling on and on about sex and shit and I hate it when people keep speaking about this shit.
In Monogatari? You can't tolerate lewdness in Monogatari?
It's not like you can even pin it on Monkey either. Everyone does it.
Telling uncomfortable truths is a form of bullying.
Why do you have to bring it up?
The hivemind is against me, I already feel the pressure but /a/ isn't the place for blogshitting.
I can tolerate it, but Kanbaru was really going overboard. You know, like when people try to push a discussion subject that others keep dodging all the time? That was what was happening during this episode. Araragi obviously didn't give a fuck about Kanbaru's frustration and tried to dodge everytime but she kept going back to it. It got on my nerves.
You know I would but I don't want to bully Monkey.
That's the point, anon. From Araragi's point of view Kanbaru's Aunt has just made "friends" with him and is asking him to do three things before he can get someone important to him back.
He's all worried and shit and that shows in his speech and mannerisms talking to Kanbaru.
From Kanbaru's point of view she doesn't know anything is wrong, that this is just Araragi being himself and playing coy like he usually does as the straight man to her idiot.
The fact he slips into straight man means from Kanbaru's perspective, their banter is going on like usual.
So yeah, Kanbaru would go back to it because that is how a normal conversation with Araragi and Kanbaru would go. They'd discuss dirty words and talk about boys love because that is what they have most in common.
If Araragi had been upfront from the start and told Kanbaru that this isn't a time for joking, I'm sure she would have stopped and listened.
That is one horny monkey.
>"I don't like sex"
Never even said that. Try to read.
Yeah, I know, but it was still annoying.
By all means, do so, Kanbaru. I enjoy tomboys so you have all my attention.
>talk about boys love because that is what they have most in common
but ararararararagi-san is straight. it was proven that he's 100% straight with no gay notions whatsoever.
Oshino several times admits to being in unease with Hanekawa, and how she easily railroaded his plans to play villain in Kizu by getting Araragi and Kisshot to go at it. Which was ultimately mediated by Hanekawa who gave Oshino the opening to help out.
It's been established long ago that Hanekawa isn't normal, and even self-actualized, she has been told several times that she is special and can't do anything about it. The series point is not that she is trying to be perfect, but that she wants/tries to be normal, but can't.
Oshino's encounters with Black Hanekawa had him admitting that he was outclassed, because it was also implied that Hanekawa wasn't trying to hurt him either. She even asks Araragi to tell him to stop.
You don't fight 200 times for just trying to buy time to Araragi, he really thought he could do something and failed. Even goes on to talk about how her tactics were superb for a non-Exorcist who gained more knowledge the more they fought. And subjugating a kaii subconsciously to permanently merge with you of it's own volition and become a new kaii is an astounding thing. He even got her to tell him in detail about how she created this new hybrid.
Then we have the end of Owari where
She helps Oshino get back from being enchanted by the Lost Cow (long story, just watch the anime when it comes out) in Antartica to deal with the Ougi issue.
So yeah, she is far from normal.
It totally isn't and traps aren't gay.
Plus you like them for the penis, not the feminine clothes.
A 100% straight man like Araragi has no problem wearing clothes that make him look good, even if they're girly.
Similarily no man who's 100% straight and certain of his heterosexuality would ever think it makes you gay to look at pictures of feminine men in dresses.
Help me. I am turning from a Snakefag to a Monkeyfag
good. you are taking right steps to become a batfag. worst to best
More of best girl for me. Enjoy eating shit anon.
You're right, but you are kind of picky on details. Thanks for the correction either way.
To accentuate my point further though, in case people really do think Hanekawa is normal, there was this piece in Mayoi Snail's commentary as well.
>Hanekawa: Come to think of it, when Araragi took her to see Oshino, he had to confiscate Senjougahara’s stapler and other stationery goods.
Turns out he made the right call.
Though if it were me, I would never go up against Oshino, armed or otherwise.
>Mayoi: Is he really that strong?
>Hanekawa: He’s like Shinobu. He’s far beyond the stage of weak or strong.
Fighting, winning or losing, offense and defense… Those things can’t come into play unless you’re on the same stage as your opponent, right?
>Mayoi: Though objectively speaking, you yourself appear to be the same way, Hanekawa.
>Hanekawa: Oh, did you say something?
>Mayoi: No, no. Just muttering to myself.
See, the only person who is humble about Hanekawa is Hanekawa herself.
>See, the only person who is humble about Hanekawa is Hanekawa herself.
Not that anon but pic related is pretty humble about Hanekawa too.
She pretty accurately and succinctly sums up Hanekawa's character in a small monologue.