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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
http://bitlasers.com/djt

Previous Thread:
>>133361048
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なるべく諦めない!
なせば大抵なんとかなる!

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Remember, work, well done, does good to the man who does it. It makes him a better man.
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I want to progress but I don't feel like it
I just keep doing my anki reps and maybe a few times a week read some pages of yotsubato tier easy Japanese
I can't even find any new masturbation material I want to translate, and when I do I usually just figure out what they are saying while doing the dirty things which are often simple one liners
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>time for reps
feels bad
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To the people in the last thread talking about encodings
>>133386575
>>133386713
>>133386779
>>133387026

Why change the encoding? I'm pretty sure the best settings are to just put it on unicode and leave it there, but set the auto-detect to Japanese, then you should never have to mess with it again and I think even shift-jis pages, or whatever, will still display properly
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死にたい。
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>>133387668
An important part of using porn for practice is to actually ensure that you're reading each line fully, in the heat of the moment like you said it's easy to just skip and mainly interpret from context and small lines but that genuinely won't help much at all, since it'll just be sticking to what you know and not expanding your knowledge.

As for finding masturbation material, just hang around nukige/h-game threads (or just browse straight from VNDB or dlsite) and you should find PLENTY.

Reading is pretty much 100% essential so I can only say that you are very right in being troubled because not reading is pretty bad.
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>>133387668
It's all right. Just relax and enjoy life.
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>>133387841
Relaxing is important, of course, but it will become a detriment to your life if your relaxation begins to interfere with personal growth, i.e. learning Japanese. Relaxation is fine, but so is stress at times. Life's not all about feeling sad, but it's also not all about feeling happy.
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>>133387929
You only live once, so you might as well be happy.
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>>133387929
if you dont struggle you dont improve, just do your reps and read, talk. listen. you'll improve slowly.

fuck feeling like doing it, just do it. imagine if some one forced you to read at gunpoint.
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>>133387743
It's probably a mediafire thing, because the PDF file loads fine in firefox for me, but the mediafire thing doesn't. Just do >>133386850
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>>133387793
俺も
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>>133388037
There are lots of shades to happiness. There's the happiness of doing cocaine. The happiness of raising a good child. The happiness of eating an entire pie. The happiness of masturbating all day, eating an entire pie, and watching cartoons all day. The happiness of a cold drink of water after a hard day's work. There's degrees and shades of happiness, anon, and those who over-value relaxation and overindulge on hedonism are not like to experience many of them.
>>133388044
*This* is a good post, because you're being constructive. The main thing I'm worried (so to speak) about here is >>133387668 continuing to not read which will lead to fuck-all progress, in this case relaxation is akin to eating pie all day in that it only harms you. He doesn't need to stress but at the same time, taking it easy and ignoring the problem is also not good.
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>>133388160
Okay he might struggle he might really dread doing this, but if he sticks to it, and doesn't stop, slowly and gradually makes progress, he will not regret the time he put into it. he will only regret it if he stops or half asses it.
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Am I the only one that has 4chan slower than molasses? Images take forever to load.
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>>133387534
Faggot desu.
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>>133388387
Seems normal to me, mate.
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>>133388399
Fagotto desuyo.
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Massive exposure to enjoyable and compelling native content
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>>133388766
尻擬きですわ!
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>>133387743
I tried changing that to Shift_JIS / EUC-JP but it still shows me klingon, in fact even more.
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>>133389081
I think I know what the problem is.
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>>133389081
but that's not what I said. I said to put it in unicode and change the auto-detect to japanese
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>>133389081
Why don't you just download the PDF in >>133386850 ? I have the same problem as you, but it loads fine in firefox's PDF viewer. The version on the page you're looking at is outdated for everything after the basic volume anyways.
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>>133389452
Did that still not working, downloaded the pdf im fine now.

>>133389549
Downloaded the PDF, gotta be mediafire that fucks something up.

Thanks anyway guys.
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>>133389653
>speaking pig english
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>>133389653
Get rid of that shitty German. It's clearly a compatibility issue.
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New anon here attempting to learn jap, felt completely overwhelmed from reading the guide, any tips?
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Does anyone actually understand grammar?
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>>133390292
To a decent extent, yes.
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>>133390292
How can you understand grammar if grammar isn't even real?
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>>133390199
Learn the kana. If you feel overwhelmed from that, try harder or give up.
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Reposting the modified python script for the anon who requested it in the previous thread:

Sorry it took so long. Had to wait for some free time at work. Here's the revised script: https://www.sendspace.com/file/st5nnn

I added some comments to hopefully make the parameters more obvious. I've never used Anki so I can't guarantee I interpreted it correctly.

Anyway, I added a way to do two-stage simulations. It's commented in the code, but first make sure two_stage is set to True, then new_stage_start is the day you want the card number to change, and new_stage_max_cards is the new number of cards per day. To return to the original functionality of the script, just set two_stage to False. It works with Python 2 and 3.
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>>133390400
Starting with the Anki thingy now, will see
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>>133390199
Get Tae kim or genki for grammar or whatever suits you.
Grab a Anki deck - start mining vocab.
Manga of your choice and start "reading", something with a good english translation (just for the beginning) don't let it become a habit/crutch.
It will feel like you learned nothing in the first month's
At some point you soldier through or you drop the language up to you.
Good luck.
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>>133390292
How else would you expect to understand Japanese? Not like you can just wing it like other languages. It's too different
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>>133390492
Thanks will do
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>>133387823
Vocab is babby-tier but those ridiculously long sentences are fucking my shit up.
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>>133390199
Anon's Learn Japanese for Dummies.

WARNING: Learning Japanese can be an extremely traumatic experience that may lead to alcoholism, depression, among other disorders. If you are not confident in your ability to persist through the same boring routine for at least an hour every single day for months with no results to show for it give up now.

Step-by-step guide:

Learn the kana. (Use realkana. IT MAKES LEARNING EASY!)
Get an anki deck. (Kanji deck or Vocab deck, it doesn't really make much of a difference. Ignore the faggots on DJT who argue every day about it, they're bored, lazy people with nothing better to do.)
Do your reps. Do the fucking reps. Don't skip out on this.
Also do Tae Kim.
Read a lot. Watch anime.

That's all, you are ready to shitpost on DJT.
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Should I bother trying to make sense of chuuni attack names.
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>>133390732
You're supposed to feel them with the combined meaning of the kanji.
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>>133387823
Source?
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what's the purpose of ーおう endings when they are used with "I"?
for example
僕は逃げよう
like there is no "let's" here, as in "us"
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I just saw that 囀る was an N1 kanji, does anyone have a list of all 表外 on the N1? Could be neat to see.
>>133390559
Hence the important of reading a lot. It's not just learning new stuff, but also actually cementing what you DO know. Language is largely contextual so exposing oneself to context is essential to truly learning.
>>133390967
I took that off Bishop's marketing page for the game Chijoku no Seifuku, which is a pretty good nukige if you ask me.
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>>133390986
It means your a faggot and shouldn't translate things word for word to English.
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>>133391087
I am wondering what the slight tonal difference is as opposed to direct translation
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>>133391075
I don't think that there are any official lists.
The best you could do is look up what other people think might be on it.
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>>133391140
>I don't think that there are any official lists.
Well, there's definitely some database Jisho is drawing from. Hey, I will ask on their forum.
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>>133391087
Yea. just "assume" you know what it means and fuck up every time you use it

Brilliant idea
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>>133391138
チンポ
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I stopped studying for a year or so due to low willpower. Of course, now that TitS FC and SC came out with no TC/Crossbell on the horizon, with ToCS being butchered with a dub, there's only one thing to do.

FULL SPEED AHEAD! WILLPOWER TO MAXIMUM!

>>133387534
> Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, use your time productively and do it in Japanese!
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>>133390986
He's thinking about running away.
"I think I'll run away."
Not really what it literally means but it expresses that the speaker has the intention of doing something by himself.
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>>133391193
>to low willpower.
Heed these words:
Even when you have 0 willpower, keep up anki reps. Cement this into your brain: If you do new cards in anki every day, you WILL learn Japanese.
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>>133391254
>low willpower
>doing anki
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>>133391304
Anki for me is not something that involves willpower, it's like brushing teeth, I do it with a defeated spirit.
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>>133390986
>僕は逃げよう
You would probably never say something like that to begin with unless you were saying "I'll run (in contrast with somebody else who isn't."

If you switch the は for a が you get something akin to "shall I"

僕が持ちましょうか
Shall I carry this (for you)?
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>>133391193
Motivation and willpower are words lazy or insecure people use as excuses for their lack of determination. If you want to learn just suck it up and do it.
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>>133391446
RADICAL
FREEDOM
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>>133391716
You don't get withdrawal symptoms from doing your reps. It's just a matter of sitting down and doing it.
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>>133391932
Do reps for long enough time and the boredom almost makes you want to kill yourself though.
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>>133391932
>missing the point
Oh well
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>>133391976
Oh, I forget you youngster these days lack the ability to control your focus of attention.

>>133391986

The guy on the radio is right. You should listen to him.
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>>133392042
I actually agree with Jean-Paul Sartre too, but there an important note to take in the comic which you missed, I think. Well, in any case, this is /djt/ - philosophy so I won't press the matter.
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>>133392042
>lack the ability to control your focus of attention
You have train to reach that point, people aren't born disciplined. I assure you weren't too, and if you aren't giving advice you yourself don't follow, you went through a long process to become disciplined (be it at school, life, work, whatever). You don't just decide on a whim to just do shit, there are many mental factors that you need to consider before. It's like telling a person suffering from depression to stop being depressed, that's just not how it works.
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>Can't retain any information on Tae Kim.
Please kill me. Is Genki paced slower for tards?
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>>133392289
Those don't have a pace. You re-read the information until you understand it.
If you want some advice, get he DOJG deck off the OP, it covers Tae Kim. Also, read the example sentences in Core2k.
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>>133392289
Tae Kim is a troll for newfags, read Learning Japanese the Manga Way
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>>133392213
That's actually quite literally how I got out of depression. Just saying fuck it, getting up and starting doing shit until I wasn't feeling depressed anymore.
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>>133392329
It's not bad, but it's also very poor on the amount of topics it touches on.
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>>133392340
Were you medicated?
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Asking here since the guide doesn't mention it. I have problems with VNs because it takes forever to properly analyse words and kanji that I don't know. Is there a way to put mouse-over translation rikaichan style?
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>>133392467
Never.
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>>133392487
You had some really light depression then, likely self-diagnosed too. Good for you for getting out of a rut in your life though.
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>>133392485
>since the guide doesn't mention it
You didn't actually look through it, I'll just tell you to fuck off
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>>133392485
use chiitrans ?
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>>133392858
Already tried. But thanks for not being a faggot about it senpai.
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>>133391960
You only get to have one of those in a lifetime. Hope you liked it.
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>>133387529
What does 心配…して…やってんじゃ…ないの mean? "I wasn't worried" or "I was...worried...not really [she takes it back immediately]" or what?
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It was one thread away from dying
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>>133394697
I'm not doing it because I'm worried about you or anything
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>>133394870
Ohhh, that makes sense. Thank you.
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>>133392340
Does it come back in waves or is it completely gone now?
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>>133395228
Did you delete this because you thought you were wrong?
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>>133394697
>心配…して…やってんじゃ…ないの
I would have said like >>133394870
if there wasn't that の at the end. It can means a lot of things. Have you got a context for us? What kind of conversation is this from?

If someone is pretending not worrying about someone else but showing the contrary, a third party can say that looking at him:
'Look how in fact/Aren't you in fact worrying about him?'
the "やってん”suggests the action is made towards another person that is considered inferior to the person worrying (or younger, or of the same family or maybe an animal). It can also be a favor you do to another person by worrying for him.
I think this can be translated a lot of ways depending on the context.
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>>133395408
No, I thought I had to explain more. Both the のat the end and the use of 心配して やって(あげる).
I think this sentence is very tricky.
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>>133395455
Ah, I don't know any more, maybe this person is speaking about her.his feelings:
Can't you see I'm actually worrying for you?
That would explain the hesitation.
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>>133389004
シルフィンが/a/で人気のあるのはなぜだ
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At least I'm all done playing catch up.
Now I just gotta cram a few thousand words this month in preparation for the JLPT.
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>>133396753
It's going to be bad and you know it. You aren't going to be able to remember that many words.
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>>133396841
It can co really fucking bad and I'll still pass, so I'm only mildly worried.
As long as I get just a bit more than 50% correct overall, I pass.
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>>133390986
僕は逃げようと思う→僕は逃げよう
かな
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>>133391716
You're joking but in the end it is you who decides to do or not do a thing.
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>>133397062
It's kind of scary (and encouraging) how low the bar is set. I can get at least 50% right, right?
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おなかいたい
あたったかも
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>>133392289
>>133392326
Try this link instead of the mediafire one
Folder:
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI
Decryption key:
!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw

It has had a few little typographical errors corrected and the styling has been set more neutral.
I use Ankidroid, on a tablet, so the image of the notes displays to fit the screen or via pinch drag zoom in and out, which is different from the desktop program which displays at the native image size.
About to start adding the note images for the Intermediate section having reviewed all of the Basic notes myself.


>>133392453
Japanese: The Manga Way is really only designed to serve as an introduction to the language.
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>>133397845
Forgot to mention: the front side of card has the English sentence displayed because I clicked the "Show expression_en" button/prompt. By default the translations are hidden unless pressed, as a means to force the reviewer to face the Japanese first and only refer to the English is they need to.
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>>133397546
https://www.jlpt.jp/e/guideline/results.html

N3 - 52.8% = passing
N2 - 50.0% = passing
N1 - 55.6% = passing

You also can't score less than 31.6% on a single section.
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>>133395455
I prefer to just give an answer and if it's something else because of weird context that they didn't give then it's their fault for asking the question badly.
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>>133398140
>>You also can't score less than 31.6% on a single section.
Why?
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>>133398255
Because you fail the test then.
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>>133398255
The passing requirements are generous enough as it is.
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>>133398281
Oh, I misinterpreted.
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>>133398255
Because then they know that you don't actually understand Japanese.
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>>133398255
It tests reading, listening, and grammar, so if you were to have no listening ability whatsoever, it would be kind of stupid to say you actually passed, even if your other scores were top notch.
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>>133398459
If you are taking anything other than N1 they know that already
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>>133398482
N3 and up is the point where you can understand Japanese. Understand Japanese well is another thing entirely.
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What's a good amount of cards to do per day in Anki?
I did the default 20 cards in like 10 minutes, so it feels a bit low, but I'm not sure how much I should increase it to.
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>>133398915
You can understand most written Japanese with tools. That's far from actually understanding Japanese.
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>>133398966
Reps are always low when you just started. After a couple of weeks they snowball to around x3 amount of new cards (in my case at least). Keep that in mind.
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What do you guys who don't like much anime do for listening? Any good Drama or something?
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>>133399095
>good
>Drama
Pick one.

I usually just listen to the NHK news podcast each night.

If you don't like anime at all though, why are you learning Japanese? You aren't going to get good at listening unless you find something you actually want to listen to.
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>manga scans too low res to read the furigana clearly
fuck me
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>>133399160
I really like a lot of manga, it's just really hard for me to find anime that interest me now. I feel like I've seen everything that caters to my absurdly specific tastes, but manga is a different frontier entirely.
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>>133399222
So you don't need listening comprehension.
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>>133399248
I have internet buddies I chat with on twitter and that, it would be nice to skype call now and again, but I need some listening to begin with.
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>>133398966
Depends how long you want to spend studying flash cards each day. I think 25-30 is a pretty good pace. I've done 40 and 50 before and they kind of sucked. Some kids here tried 100 and got buttfucked in no time. My recommendation is to turn up the new count very slowly. Expect around 10x the new count in reviews each day.
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>>133399278
Watch 2000 hours of nicodouga and then come back
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Guys, guys! I've just read a fucking unadapted news articles on NHK! It was about the first domestic japanese avialiner in 50 years!
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>>133399316
That's a good recommendation, actually, even though you're joking. I'll leave live broadcasts going.
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>>133399335
The first Japanese avialiner they made in 50 years? what the fuck is an avialiner do you mean airliner
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普通の人は大嫌いだ!
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>>133399386
Sorry, yeah. It's called "avialiner" in my language.
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Lately I've been running into several grammar points that don't appear to be in any of the DOJGs and trying to hunt down an explanation on Google can take forever, so I'm looking for a more comprehensive grammar reference.

Is my best bet at this point to look for a J>J grammar textbook?
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>>133399387
>implying you're not 普通 yourself
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>>133399607
Have you tried Googling in Japanese for what you need?
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>>133399387
>普通の人
>の
No
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>>133399729
>mt stupid
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>djt
>>133399729
kek
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>>133399724
That's what I've been doing, but I'm wondering if there's a more centralized source of information that I don't know about yet since I was under the (mistaken) impression that the DOJGs were fully comprehensive.
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My prediction for my jlpt test score

Kanji 100%
Vocab 90-100%
Grammar 80-90%
Reading Comp 40-50%
Listening 0-30%
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>>133399960
You fail if you're below 30-some on a section.
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>>133399978
>implying I didn't read the above posts.
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>>133399910
Just read more and use Japanese dictionaries. The only thing you should need actual study for is kobun stuff
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>>133400000
I just came here. Nice quints, by the way.
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>>133399960
Watch anime for 18 hours a day until the day of the test
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>Giving a shit about any post number with more than 2 distinct digits.
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>>133399910
Check the archives or the CoR for 日本語文型辞典. Recalling from memory so it might not be the exact title, but it is sImilar to the DoJG books but has a wider coverage. It is a hell of a lot less explanatory than the DoJG books but is a decent J-J grammar dictionary with a rather extensive index of concepts. If you are at the level wherein exhausting all three DoJG books and can handle the example sentences in the Advanced volume easy enough, you are probably around the level of being able to quickly reference the above mentioned volume. It is also concise enough to make little Anki cards out of different entries. The descriptions are usually brief enough for that.
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>>133400348
It's pretty useless actually. I can't imagine being at the level where you can easily use it without also already having an intuitive grasp of normal Japanese grammar.
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積ん読
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>tfw my bans lifted
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>>133400438
Bushido 買ったんだけど、結局、積ん読になっちゃってる。むずかしいんだもん。
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>>133400463
>mfw you get banned again
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>>133400426
It is useful if you want to learn nuance. That is why they teach grammar at school instead of stopping at around the first grade.

Stop with the bullshit 'you don't need to study grammar' rhetoric. It is a useful tool only someone afraid of having their comprehension corrected would fail to take advantage of.
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>>133400547
>It is useful if you want to learn nuance
Except that it doesn't really explain nuance. It's like a one sentence description and then some example sentences for each thing.
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>>133400559
Give me your dad's phone number, mate. I need to discuss your issues with him.
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>>133400547
Not him but I haven't read any grammar guides for Japanese and have no trouble understanding it

Picture related
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>>133400665
How do you know you if you actually understand it?
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>>133400903
By not being autistic
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>涅槃西風
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>>133401141
>とうほんせいそう・東奔西走
はたまに見るけど、その四字熟語はあまりみないよう。おにいちゃん
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>>133401141
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Why do nips need two phonetic alphabets fuck.
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>>133401889
Because you can't learn japanese
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>>133401889
It really does make things easier to read. You'll realize this.
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>>133401889
Why do those two alphabets have letters that look similar between them? What was the fucking point of having two if you're going to just reuse some? What the fuck is this ツシ bullshit?
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>>133399729
indeed, it is a no-adjective
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I'm just beggining to learn kanji through anki, what's a good amount to cover in a week
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>>133402503
for kanji? 60 per day
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>>133402503
I remember misspelling "beginning" like that in elementary school.
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>>133401889
They're syllabaries, not alphabets.
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>>133402503
Find a comfortable number that you can keep up for weeks without fail. There's no use doing a huge number of them for three days after which your motivation fades just enough to shelf it for too long. I took a month long break and now I have rememorize 600 kanji. Take it easy and keep raising the number if you are consistently doing your reps.
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>>133402503
200 a week is a pretty good pace
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>>133400547
because japanese kids learn grammar as soon as they born just so they can understand their parents
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Anon, stop procrastinating and go read! What you choose to do tonight could be a massive difference maker!
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>>133403354
But I'm at work.
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This is so basic I'm ashamed.

But I just don't get what this says.

What's with the ベッドが四つあります。??

I just don't get what they're saying. Help.
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>>133403374
If you can read DJT at work you can read a ln at work
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>>133403418
You can't learn Japanese.
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>>133386619
I wasn't around when you posted this, but if you're around now, thanks. It seems to work properly, at least as far as I can tell. Should be helpful for people who are considering messing with their new card rate and are curious about the effect it will have on their review count.

I feel like maybe this should be linked in the guide.
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>>133403418
ベッドが
bed
四つ
four in number
あります
are
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>>133403418
just get back to anki, it looks like at your current level there really is no use reading right now
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>>133403500

I figured that. It just doesn't make sense. Why does he have 3 desks, 6 chairs, and 4 beds?

What kinda weird ass shit is going on in this guy's room?
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>>133403523
It's made up bullshit for language learning.
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>>133397845
I don't get how you're supposed to use this deck. Why is the answer on the front of the card? What are you supposed to be coming up with in your head before flipping the card over?
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>>133403613

So that is what it's saying then? I mean I figured that's what it's saying, but I just can't believe this guy has so much shit in his room. Why would they even make this?
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>25:15
someone needs to teach them japs how to tell time correctly
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>>133403748
minutes:seconds btw desu senpai
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>>133403793
>放送時間は〇〇25:15
okay that caught me off guard, now it makes sense
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What does the ヘナチン in ヘナチン野郎 mean ? I imagine チン is short for チンポ.
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>>133403823
i was joking i have no idea what they're trying to express
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>>133403748
>>133403793
>>133403823
>not knowing about late-night broadcasting schedules in Japan
CASUALS GET OUT
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>>133403418
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>>133400547

Language classes for natives are less to teach them the nuances of the language and more to turn them into more eloquent communicators. If they needed it in order to understand the language's nuances, they'd have a lot of trouble making friends, watching TV, or even keeping up with what the teacher was trying to tell them.

The grammar rules are probably the least useful part of language class, and very few people actually remember what they learned there. What's a predicate? "Um... isn't that a grammar concept?" It doesn't change that they intuitively knew how to use a predicate in their native tongue before they ever heard it from a teacher's mouth.

The more useful parts of language classes are the essay writing + corrections to improve their writing form and the fact that they force the student to read.

Of course, as foreign learners, we need to pay a bit more attention to grammar structures than native speakers, at least initially, as we didn't build up that vocabulary and intuition as small children.
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>>133403884

>implying you can answer the question
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>>133403860
>the show starts today at 36:20
>the show starts tomorrow at 12:20
you're supposed to stay withing 24h times, japs are retarded
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>>133403418

I suspect that you might be using a shitty grammar guide. Go through Tae Kim or Genki.
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can i learn japanese
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>>133404021
You CAN learn Japanese!
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>>133403904
Someone who only just started learning Japanese grammar 5 minutes ago could read it.

>umaru
Back to >>>/v/ /v/ermin.
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>>133404021
If you have to ask...
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>>133404021
I won't let you.
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>>133404499
>fuckface
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>>133404533
Post more of best girl
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>>133404389

There's actually some truth to this.

Step one to learning Japanese is to believe that you''re capable of reaching your goal. If you're being a pussy and a drama queen and acting like you won't make it because it's just too hard for your stupid ass, you'll approach Japanese without sufficient drive (why work hard for something that you can't have?) and set yourself up to fail.

This isn't just a good policy for Japanese, either. Any large task needs to met with confidence that you will succeed.

>Durrrr durrr, so you're saying that if someone goes straight from being a couch potato to hiking Mount Everest, they can expect to do well if they just believe that they can do it?

Obviously, believing that you'll succeed in the long run doesn't mean that you don't need to form a realistic plan, starting at the beginning and progressing towards your goal in a logical fashion. If you wanted to hike Mount Everest, you would begin by hiking some local trails, doing some camping, going on trips, and getting yourself in excellent shape. You would spend a few years on this step. Then you would do research on how to prepare. Then, when you were ready, you would head for Mount Everest.
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I need something cute to read
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>>133405180
肉感的といえば川端康成の右に出るものはおりません
ただ英語のcuteとは違うと思う
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断る kind of looks like a svastika
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>>133406243
Not even a little
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卍 kind of looks like a swastika
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>>133406363
Not even a little
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>>133406243
>>133406363
Here's a useful word 卍巴
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>>133406392
>falling in swirls
I don't even know what that means.
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Kwamikagami is a fucking piece of shit dilettante with *NO* real understanding of any technical linguistic issues.
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>>133406598

Who?
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Is "Kill One Hundred Enemies"

"Hyaku Teki Korose", where it's supposed to be phrased as a command?
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>>133406962
Search tae kim my boy
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>https://github.com/hochanh/rtk is korosu

Fuck. Where can I consult RTK online in a similar manner with the Kanji in the URL for easy lookup?
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Reading Ranma. Probably too easy for my current level, but it's fun and the characters are cute.
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>>133407173
I used to do listening practice with the anime but it got boring real fast, like 60 episodes in or so
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This is an ugly-ass kanji 牽
What do I do with it
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I don't get it, what happens to leeched cards? I though they'd go away but I still see them...
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Every time I encounter 自分 it completely throws me off, I never know who the fuck its referring to, the speaker, the listener or some other people entirely, can someone please explain how exactly it works?
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>>133407221
If you didn't disable the setting that makes anki suspend them, it will suspend them
Otherwise it will just remind you of how terrible you are
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>>133407218
The manga is miles better, to be honest.
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>>133407219
牽制 is an important word to know
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>>133407147
koohii site (where the stories in that github link were pulled from) has the kanji at the end of the URL of each kanji and accepts various inputs in the search bar on the side (key word, frame number, the kanji itself, etc.), so you can use it in the same way. Only downside is you need to make a koohii account to use it, but who gives a shit.

http://kanji.koohii.com/study/kanji/
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>>133407218
ながいよねえ。対象年齢も12・3才くらいだし

同じ留美子の、めぞん一刻、も長いけど、こっちは16・7才くらいむけだよ。
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>>133407240
Ah thank you, that's why. Good, I don't want to give up on the leeched words. That's silly.
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>>133407284
Thank you. Signing in will be troublesome if I'm doing my reps on my phone though.
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>>133407313
This >>133407284 is just stories. If you want what's in the book itself / heisig's too, then you're out of luck. a PDF of the book + the koohii site for stories is the closest you'll get until someone re-uploads the github thing somewhere (if anyone does).
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>>133391254
>If you do new cards in anki every day, you WILL learn Japanese.
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>>133401889
The language is an orthographic clusterfuck because the Nips refuse to make it more efficient even though literally any other way of doing it would be better. Just have to suck it up until they breed themselves out of existence
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>>133400665
>don't think feel
>arguing against grammar

You're that youtube Nig claiming to be "high intermediate" in Japanese despite only being able to have super basic rehearsed conversations, aren't you?
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Fuggin heck, retention rate is shit today lads.
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>>133407238
No one?
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>>133407417
Have you read the entries for it in the DoJG? I haven't really had that problem, but I read through the whole basic volume before I started reading.
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>>133407391
you mean the baka proof guy?
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>>133407457
Nah, the "I speak 54 languages" guy, and goes around having the EXACT same conversation to random people in supermarkets and malls.
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>>133407488
I have to see that
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>>133407440
I have and it makes sense when there's a topic to go with it, but I just encountered it as the topic and DJT doesn't cover that so I still don't really know how to tackle it
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>>133407400
What is it lad?
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>>133407238
>>133407417
You infer it from context. 自分 just means "oneself" so it might refer to the speaker or to someone else, but you can identify who it refers to since it's always whoever is the topic of the sentence. This can be explicitly introduced with the は or simply implied.
>(xは)自分の強さを信じる。
Who this refers to depends on is x. If the parenthesis part isn't specified, you can usually still make it out.

>>133407530
I typed all that before you said this, so what I typed is kind of useless since you seem to already understand it. If that's the case, mind providing the example that's confusing you?
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>>133407495
Search Laoshu, and pick a video from the 200 "Level Ups" he does.

In some of them, people ask him how many he speaks, and a couple of times, he literally says in the 50s
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>>133407559
I just checked and it's actually not so bad. For some reason it felt like I was forgetting shitloads of cards.
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>>133407565
Skipped to the french part (my language), he's really not good. I'd much rather master three languages than barely be able to speak 50.
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>>133407563
To be fair there's a lot about this sentence that I don't understand, I just thought I'd ask about the 自分 part since it was at the start, but here it is anyway, there's a guy explaining to two people about how all the people in the country have telepathic powers

自分達は今までの、ノイズだらけの、
しかもきちんと伝わっているか絶対に確認し得ない言語によるコミュニケーションを、
古くさい方法にすることができるんだ!
...みんなそう信じた。
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>>133407662
He's roughly that level in everything except Mandarin, which he is pretty good at. He just claims to be "intermediate" in everything where he has a basic "Hi, how are you", "I learned because of x, x and x", and "I'm married" etc

He's done Swedish for about 11 months this year, and a guy said although it wasn't great and had obvious errors, it wasn't spectacularly bad either
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Just found out that in order to get my B.A. I have to take four semesters of a foreign language, I figure I might as well learn Nip.

Assuming any of you have experience with college moon classes, how full of spergs is it going to be?
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>>133408062
I haven't taken the beginner classes at my university, so I have no idea about those, but the later classes had the same proportion of spergs as any other classes I've taken at college.
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>>133408062
Start in advance and study for real, with real interest, and you will probably learn those four semesters worth in a month
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>>133408062
That's a terrible idea. Choose an easy language that has less of an initial learning curve if all you're doing it for is a requirement. Not sure what's listed, but Spanish is probably your best bet.

Only take Nip if you actually care and plan on learning it properly.
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>>133408196
Oh, I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm just taking the course because I think it will be easy. If I wanted something easy just to get the requirement out of the way, as you said, I would be better off taking Spanish.
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>>133408062
What >>133408196 said. Japanese is significantly harder than basically any other language for a native English speaker to learn. If you're doing it as a requirement, picking Japanese is not in your interests since:
1. It's going to require a lot more time and effort than a European language, meaning you're more likely to fail/not do well.
2. You will probably not learn anything useful by the time you finish.
3. Assuming you're a Clapistani, "I can speak Spanish" would be much more valuable on your CV than "I can speak Japanese.
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>服
>洋服

What is the difference
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>>133408062
Take Spanish. Four semesters isn't enough for Nihongo.
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>>133408267
Ah ok. Get started on the kana right away. That'll already put you ahead of 99% of the losers (who will drop out after 1 month, maximum) who joined up

Wouldn't harm you getting some basic grammar in beforehand also so you're not thrown in at the deep end。This might make your first few classes tedious as fuck though as your lecturer spends a month explaining to the idiots about -masu form and the は particle.
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>>133408327
洋服 has 洋 in it which means western
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>>133408062
Just give up. You can't learn Japanese in four semesters.
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>>133408547
>You can't learn Japanese in four semesters.
Of course you can. That's two years.
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>>133408547
Correction: You can't learn Japanese from four semesters of Japanese classes

It\s plenty of time to be reading and watching enjoyable and compelling content though
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>>133408062
If my school is anything to go by, it will be at least 75% spergs, and the odds you will be invited to join an anime club approach 100%.
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>>133408322
There's no such language as "Malaysian". It's Malay.
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>>133408322
What is this based on? Five hours / weekday? Why? Who learns like that?
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>>133408649
Both are perfectly viable ways of saying it
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>>133408681
It's from here
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
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>>133408715
Yeah, I found that, but it doesn't explain the methodology.
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>>133408730
If you don't do 30 minutes of anki and 3 hours of reading per day, do you even study japanese?
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>>133408689
You're wrong. Malaysia is a country which comprises of Malays, Indians and Chinese. Malay is the national language of Malaysians.
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>>133408715
The original source for the figures is a document from the Washington Foreign Service Institute. Pic related.
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>>133408770
Nah, this is semantics.

Malaysian language and Malay are synonymous for everyone outside of Malaysia.

The meaning is perfectly clear, therefore, it is correct
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these are pretty awful stats aren't they...
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>>133408730
Your answer can be found here: >>133408797
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Should I learn Japanese?

I plan on focusing on being a linguist overall but my issue is that I'm just not sure how valuable Japanese is in a business environment. I mean I spend a lot of time with Japanese stuff as my hobby but that's just a hobby, it won't help me immediately.

Basically, is there any real point to learning Japanese beyond being a filthy fucking weeb?
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>>133408797
>already knows multiple languages
>masters degree
>tiny class sizes
>studying the language full time

Lucky bastards
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Never skip days

Never
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>>133408848
Japanese people are terrible at english, and everyone else is terrible at japanese
If anything, you are unlikely to have a lot of competition.
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>>133408848
Being a filthy fucking weeb is literally one of the best reasons for learning the language. I can't really find many that are better. Only "Living in Japan" would count as a better reason.

No language except English is valuable in a business environment.
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>>133408807
Except that it's wrong.
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>>133408974
>>133408807
I will never understand debates over the semantics of words that aren't even properly English.
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>>133408926
>be filthy weeb learning japanese
>can literally read pornography and have it be a productive use of my time
This is heaven.
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>>133408926
>>133408988
Whoops, just looked up "Malaysian" on wikipedia. Guess I was wrong haha.
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>>133408993
>can literally read pornography

I'm jealous. I've been trying to read 1 single page of pornography for a week, and I still don't have it down 100%

Grammar is fucking me all up. It makes no sense to me. Just a bunch of disconnected words strung together in sentences
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>>133408848
The only time a foreign language is valuable in a business environment is if you're going to be working in a business environment where the customers speak that language.

Even then, you're either looking at moving to Japan or working for a large multinational, and at multinationals only a small % of business directly involves foreign languages.
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>>133409029
watch anime
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>>133408974
>The Malaysian language (Malay: Bahasa Malaysia), or Standard Malay is the name regularly applied to the Malay language used in Malaysia. Constitutionally however, the official language of Malaysia is Malay but the government from time to time refers to it as Malaysian

Be quiet
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>>133408322
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>>133409072
I think Korean is harder tbqfh

Japanese grammar and honorifics taken to retarded levels.
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>>133409098
Korean writing system is far easier though.
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>>133407147
>>133407337
>https://github.com/hochanh/rtk

Here's an offline version of that site. It's an earlier version so the stroke order diagrams are different.

https://mega.nz/#!u95gyTrL!hB5FtVHvjRuRh5d4gfXU6sQzmn_M7DXKxj2x3_9NhuY
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>>133409137
Yea, but that's just beginner stuff. That's assuming we ignore the Chinese characters which are still used in some areas of Korean culture.

Intermediate hell is where language difficulties start to kick in, and Korean intermediate hell is the 9th circle.
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>>133409029
Porn is so easy yotsubato should give more problems
just give up
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>>133409241
What exactly is intermediate hell?
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>>133409271
If I used the logic of "If I can't do it, give up" I'd still be gargling baby voices and being unable to walk
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>>133409271
What if he's reading monogatari doujins doe
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how many anki reps per day
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>>133409427
I've been averaging 600-700 for the past 10 months.
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>>133409465
serious answers only, thanks
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>>133409489
"How many anki reps per day" is the wrong attitude. You just need to keep at it consistently.
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>>133409548
I don't think that guy was talking about that figure. I think he meant pic related.
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>>133409604
Jesus..
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>>133409619
What?
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>>133409635
that's a lot of cards
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>>133409465
How long do they take you?
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>>133409427
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>>133409646
It's usually closer to 250. I increased my new cards/day yesterday days ago because I'm nearing the end of my deck so my reviews are a little higher than normal today. I think I'm going to drop it back down again after tomorrow though.

In my first few weeks I was getting close to 400 reviews a day because I was stupid with my new cards/day rate, so compared to that, this isn't so bad.
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>reading comfortably
>suddenly the text plays automatically
>s-slow down
Has this happened to anyone else?
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>>133409741
Are you that guy who's finishing core2k?
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Drama in my child manga?
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>>133409776
I'm the opposite I guess. I read super fucking slowly without the audio accompaniment.
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>>133409800
I don't know if I'm THE guy, but yes, I should be done with Core2K in a few days.
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>>133409650
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>>133409919
Sweet dude, be sure to post your stats or some shit to encourage everyone
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>>133409941
Haha fuck I'm so slow.
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>>133409948
My stats aren't very good because I stupidly set my new cards/day rate at 100 right off the bat, then when I found out that was actually not a very smart idea, I decided that I would change it from 100 to 50, which, as I later found out, was still way too high.
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>>133410125
You planning on finishing the rest of the deck?
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>>133410154
I don't think so. I've heard a lot of people say that the last 4k words aren't anywhere near as useful as the first 2k, so it's better to start a mining deck for new words at that point.
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https://audio.tatoeba.org/sentences/eng/259080.mp3
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When people say よつばと!is easy do they mean it's easy using a dictionary or without one?
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>>133410178
The words do get less useful but that is a natural outcome of learning vocabulary. After learning words that you will use a lot regardless of whether you learn them from Core2k or mining or wherever, the remaining words in the language you haven't seen will become more and more uncommon and hence less "useful".

What I'm trying to say here is you should consider doing the rest of core at a relaxed pace along with your mining deck. There is a large degree of overlap in the last 4000 words and the words you're likely to mine (not so useless, see?) so you can happily suspend lots of cards too.

One more thing is be sure to grab Epwing2Anki/Rikaisama RTI/some OCR tool from the guide because it will make your life so much easier when mining manga.

And of course if you fucking hate anki just stop adding new cards to core and take my advice with a truck of salt since I'm just some guy slightly more than halfway through core6k
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いつから字幕なしでアニメを見ているのですか
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>>133410472
>字幕
So, that's how you say subtitles in Japanese. "Character curtain", that's a cool word.
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>>133410472
livestreamを見てるときだよ

>>133410337
自分で試し見る方がいいと思う
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>>133410337
Easy overall. Easy grammar and very low amount of vocabulary. There's a reading pack for it that has page by page vocabulary lists for the first 2 volumes too, which includes slang and puns.
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>>133410472
>I understood some of this

!!
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>>133410561
>for the first 2 volumes
Don't you mean the first two chapters?
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>>133410768
Reading pack is a fucking stupid idea anyway new readers should have to experience the pain of mining words right away
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>>133410178
Pretty much everything in Core6k is essential in that regardless of what you read, unless it is only stuff for kids in all kana, you are going to come across all of them soon enough.

>>133410817
What is the value of "mining"? What is the purpose? Why is it "painful"?
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>>133410850
If you don't even know what mining is you shouldn't be giving out advice for fucks sake
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四 and 四

there is no visual difference between these two, right?
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>>133410864
I'm asking how you define it, genius, because I think you miss the point of the process altogether. It shouldn't be painful.
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>>133410817
>mining

I'm not even mining. Should I, on top of core?
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>>133410768
No, I mean the first 2 volumes.

>>133410817
Not like typing the word into a jisho or rikai'ing over it takes much more time. The main benefit of the reading pack is the fact that the vocab list html/pdf page explains the slang and some of the jokes you wouldn't otherwise get due to low vocabulary. I'm not suggesting that he use the deck in it.

Besides, the only way mining would be "painful" is if you don't have your shit set up properly to streamline the process. It's literally a matter of typing a word and then pressing the real time import or save keybind.

>>133410864
That's not me.
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>>133410870
They are the same symbol
If they look different it is probably due to font rendering mysteries or something
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>start writing a week ago or something
>get to 勉 and 強 today
>realise they make up the word べんきょう
>look up the first kanji, check its meaning and write it out
>no problems
>get to the second kanji
>check the English meaning in Jisho
>"Strong"
>mfw I never realised until now that the 強 in 勉強 is the same kanji as the 強 in 強い and 強化
Okay, maybe writing is important after all.
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>>133410940
Feel pretty good though, when you start to get more intimate with those connections.
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How fucked are Japs learning English when they discover cursive?

Learning Japanese is making me ashamed of all the stupid bullshit in English.
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あなたは日本語をできない

>>133411000
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>>133411000
I can hardly read let alone write cursive
Literally useless
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>>133411018
illegible
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>>133410940
よくやった、手書きを勉強し続けるのはきっと日本語を理解し手助けします
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I just started using this Wanikani thing, even though I've been studying using other resources for eight months. It seems really neat.
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>>133411153
Isn't that shit like, not free? Or was it another program?
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>>133411018
Not even your average Japanese can read that, only specialists that study graphology or some shit can.
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>>133411018
Literally nani
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>>133411018
Ever since I discovered what "あなた" used to and continues to mean, I've been very reluctant to use it but in a face to face conversation with someone you don't know there is no other option since "君" might be too rude
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なぜお前らは日本語を勉強するのか
死ぬ時は全部が無用になるのに
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>>133411225
Oh fuck, you're right. I guess I'm still in the trial period. And the yearly price is $80 once it's over. Now I've gone and disappointed myself.
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>>133411368
Time spent shitposting is time not spent engaging in compelling content.
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>>133411340
あなた might be rude too, in some cases.
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>>133411419
Practicing production is always useful.
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>>133411072
I can't read cursive either.
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>>133411018
No one is going to comment on the usage of を with the potential 出来る? Oh well, either will I.
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>>133411368
つまり、死ぬ時には全てが無用だから、食べ止めた方がいいのですか
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>>133411524
maybe you should learn English before correcting Japanese
>>133411574
食べることはいい気持ちに与えますから勉強とは違うだろう
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>>133399198
>manga scans too low res to read the kanji
This is hell.
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>>133411724
>>133399198
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is anyone using ankidroid beta? How the hell can you tell how many remaining cards are left on each deck?
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>>133411678
たしかに違うんだよ、しかし、別の言語を学ぶこともいい気持ちを与えると思う
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>>133411838
You can only see it when you have cards up for studying. Otherwise, just look at the unseen cards on the stats.
Although I'm not sure beta is the one I'm using so who knows if what I'm saying applies to you.
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http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=10140
>● Rikaisama is an easy way to generate word lists while browsing the web.
How do you generate a word list using Rikaisama? I flicked through the manual but couldn't find any reference to this feature.
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>>133411865
日本語を勉強することで気持ちよくなるって
お前どんだけ変態かよ

こりゃ社会に放って置けないレベルの異常だぜ
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>>133411838
Select the deck, then hit the menu and go to statistics, the final tab will show cards remaining, if I'm understanding what you want.
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>>133411890
>Otherwise, just look at the unseen cards on the stats.

damnit, I didn't think about this.

The beta version (2.5.x) has a new UI
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You guys think "ビュッテンフェルト" would sound better as Buetenfert, or Buetenfelt?
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>>133412025
It's a name by the way. I'm sure contextfags will be asking that question.
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how many cards do you study per day?
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>>133412091
100 new and ~1000 reviews daily
anything less is extremely lazy
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>>133412091
300-400 including reviews
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>>133412091
30 new kanji a week, spaced out however I feel like.
50-60 new words a day.
20 DoJG deck new grammar cards a day. (I skip this one often, though I still do reviews every day.)
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>>133412025
>>133412048

>ビュッテンフェルト

You mean this guy?
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incoming blogpost
>>133412091
I'm asking this because I set to stop getting new cards months ago and my average card review went to 400-ish cards in total to almost one quarter. I reinforced my learning through writing kanji and I feel more confident. I know it's going take more time but I'm glad I can tell from kanji such as 料 and 科. Don't japanese kids learn a specific set of kanji per grade? Well, I'm taking this sort of approach.
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>>133412219
There's a ュ involved in her name.

Buetenfield maybe.
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>>133411951
本当にそう思う? それなら私達は同意できないようだ、この話を止めた方がいいと思う、君は「俺の勝ち」と思うけど、実は僕がどうでもいい
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>>133412259
No one cares, and adding a warning to your post doesn't make it any better, fuck off.
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I kinda finished core2k, I still have to mature young cards but I should be at close to 99% old cards within three weeks.

I'd like to prepare for the JLPT taking place in summer 2016. What goal do you think I should realistically set? Level 3 or 2?

It took me a year to finish core2k, though I have done RTK before.
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>>133412318
hope you like having a shit retention anyway
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>>133410940
Same. Sometimes on Anki two words sharing a Kanji are next to each other and it makes me realize their connection.
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>>133412368
Take level 1.
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>>133412310
は?
辻褄が合ってないよ

はよ勉強にもどれ
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>>133412206
Neet life.
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>>133411930
Nevermind, figured it out.

Go to preferences, change it like pic related, hover over a word and then hit the X key.
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>>133412407
I think you are right, I should prepare for level 1 from now on.
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>>133412368
>It took me a year to finish core2k
Wow
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>>133412368
>>It took me a year to finish core2k
How?
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>>133412368
>What goal do you think I should realistically set? Level 3 or 2?
>It took me a year to finish core2k
Try N4
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>>133412522
>>133412549
Depending on available free time that doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
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>>133412549
By doing 2000/365 new cards a day
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Alright lads, did my first ever set of anki cards today, got through a good 30 or so of them, this is gonna be fun
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>>133410940
>おれは強い!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrqsLbdcJYo
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>>133412664
Enjoy doing this every day for the rest of your life
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>>133412661
To take a year to finish 2k core, he probably did the version with 10k cards.
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>>133412693
how many cards do I need to know before I can read Japanese tweets!?
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>>133412091
30 words a day
15 kanji a day
10/20 (depending on time) DoJG deck grammar cards a day

Takes around 100 minutes, maybe? How many cards/facts studied a day is hard to say due to review fluctuation.
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>>133412091
If you say so Rain Man
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>>133412091
standard 20 new cards a day + the typical 200 reviews
maybe one tae kim lesson before going to bed
and a chapter of yotsuba if i have free time after that
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Spent 9 hours yesterday setting up the JPTL 1 and 2 kanji I'll be studying in December/January. Sometimes I wonder if I should just quit and play video games.
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>>133412091
50-70

30-40 kanji production cards and the rest vocab cards

Not usually adding any new cards a day at the moment, just doing knowledge maintenance.
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>>133411000
There is nothing wrong with cursive.

>>133411072
>>133411476
retarded, uneducated subhumans
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>>133412814
>There is nothing wrong with cursive.
Except for it being obsolete. And a mess. And in every way inferior to regular writing.
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>>133412608
>>133412661
>By doing 2000/365 new cards a day
That's less than 5 new cards. At this pace, it'll be 15+ years before he learns 30,000 words.
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>>133412814
Elementary school English teachers pls go
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>>133412259
Japanese kids have official grade kanji lists they are supposed to be taught, but there are variations depending on the teachers and such, just like in any education system. Good to see your confidence increase, it might translate to a willingness to take more risky- maybe that isn't the right word- steps in your studies and language interaction that can hand unforeseen positive impact on proficiency. Like someone building up the confidence to start regularly speaking Japanese with Japanese people online in IRL, etc. Ignore the other guy, he's just a bitter sperg.
Below is the list you may have been referring to:
http://www.mext.go.jp/a_menu/shotou/new-cs/youryou/syo/koku/001.htm
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>>133412852
It's must faster than writing normally and if you can't read it or make it legible you're an illiterate retard.
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>having different types of verbs and adjectives with their own rules

I don't know what's more retarded. That, or "gender"
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>>133412852
>cursive is obsolete
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>>133412852
>regular writing
That is how a lot of people for a long time have written regularly. That is why it was taught in schools: so children can read things written by adults.
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>>133412901
>>133412814
Calm down, grandpa
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>>133412901
Sure. That must be why nobody uses it in real life. At least not for anything anybody else is supposed to read.
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>>133412863
Pace of learning words through anki != pace of learning words once you start reading
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>>133412929
Gendered languages are beyond retarded.
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>>133412931
>(PBUH)
Makes me laugh more than it should. Worst part is having to look up which guy this is and which riot his death started. They all start to blend together.
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>>133412976
This. Who the fuck thought giving words "genders" was a good idea?
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Japanese people must think their language is super hard or near impossible to learn. 2 times in the last 30 minutes people have stopped talking to me because they think I am lying or think I am Japanese. My Japanese isn't even that good. Why would they think that? Mid conversation they just say something like "There's no way you can be this good in 5 months" and just leave. The last person I spoke to who did this said I must be Japanese because I didn't answer back in English when they said an English sentence. No, the reason I replied in Japanese was because I didn't want to start a cringeworthy conversation in broken English where you think you are way better than you actually are.

This stuff just pisses me off. This happens after a good while of talking too. I don't get it. They don't think I should know any kanji or be able to even communicate. People are either horny 20 year olds looking for internet poon or are elitist faggots.

There's my rant over. Obviously I've ran into good people and have had good conversations, but this shit happens so often.

Also the website I was using was chatpad.jp

From now on I'll probably not tell them I'm foreign until theire's something I can't understand. Or maybe I'll skip them, who knows.
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>>133412769
>Sometimes I wonder if I should just quit and play video games.
Same here, although that's watching anime for me. Haven't watched almost anything lately, which is ironic considering the reason I'm even learning the language.
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>>133412863
And you don't need anywhere close to 30k words, so who fucking cares
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>I believe cursive is an outdated, illegible way to write. No one uses it, it has no place in the modern world
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>>133412937
Tradition has never been a good reason for anything.
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>>133413051
It has nothing to do with tradition you fucking clown.
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>>133413005
I started learning Japanese after the VNs I was reading weren't finished translated. Haven't played one in months since I don't want to read any with a shitty English translation or with text-hooker. Sigh.
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>>133413085
Doing something because that's what people always did is the meaning of tradition. But I guess that's as good a reason as any to waste children's time instead of teaching them something actually useful.
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>>133413004
just send them a picture of yourselves or something that proves you're not japanese along with handwritten nip
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>>133413004
They literally do think it's impossible for non-Japanese to learn. They're still living in the world of Victorian race theory

The Polish seem to have that trait also... thinking their language is impossible, but generally not to the same level as the Nips.

I'd have gonna full colloquial/dialect if someone whined about me not replying in English. Let's see their precious google translate/broken English try and get through that.
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>>133413090
*溜息をつく*
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>>133413004
That's just normalfags.
You'll find them everywhere.
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>>133412999
English gave up formal/informal conjugation and gendered conjugation long ago.

Why can't every other language be as progressive as based English?
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>>133413026
Saved us from from a facist dictator and a system that wouldn't have let us be invaded by immigrants and regrading morals? Gee thanks America-san.
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>>133413090
I tried reading some with a texthooker but decided it was too slow with my current amount of vocab. Now at 5k I'm thinking of trying again and hoping I don't need to hover on many words.

On that note, where do people get that stats on the number of kanji for VNs?
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>>133412999
they may not have much use but if you can't learn them then you are retarded.
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>>133413135
The reason people wrote like that is because it is a lot more efficient to do so and constantly lifting a pen and plodding it back down on paper increases blotches. People write "cursive", not because of tradition, but because of efficiency. It's like why people are taught to touch type instead of using two fingers. Not because of tradition but because it is the more sensible thing to do.

4chan is an 18+ board. Come back when you have a little more life experience.
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>>133413004
I'm loving the "Kanji is hard" meme

Just because you spend 15 years learning the fucking thing in your shitty, inefficient, outdated school system, doesn't mean we have to

They cannot comprehend that Kanji is not that difficult
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>>133413245
>they may not have much use
They have no use.

>but if you can't learn them then you are retarded.
The only languages which use them are irrelevant so I have no need to learn them.
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>>133413175
English is a linguistic cum dumpster.
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>>133413178
The US is a prime example of a country possessed by International Jewry.
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>>133413297
>The only languages which use them are irrelevant so I have no need to learn them.
This argument again?

Honestly >>133413303 couldn't have said it better.
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>>133413344
>This argument again?
List some compelling content from a gendered language which isn't available in English.

>Honestly >>133413303 couldn't have said it better.
Tu quoque.
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Oh look, dumb burgers talking shit about cursive again.
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I left my reps alone for a while and now I have nearly a thousand to get through. Feels nice to be working away at that guilty feeling I had at the back of my mind though.

Gonna be here for hours though.
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>>133413259
I know what you mean. It used to be more efficient. That hasn't been the case for quite some time now.
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>>133409281
When you're pretty comfortable with grammar but unknown vocabulary prevents you from just picking up and reading stuff.
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>>133412863
yeah that sounds about right

I also learned to write them on paper though which is a lot more work in the beginning.

personally I don't care how retarded my brain is, it takes as long as it takes
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>>133412863
That's exceptional. Most people spend their whole lives learning just the first 2,000 kanji.
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What's the best way for looking up certain sentence structures?

For instance
>一人分も二人分も手間はそう変わらない

I can obviously figure out what it means, but I'd like to get a formal definition of how AもBも is used and what exactly it means
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>>133414432
it's on DOBJG
>>
売日
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>>133414432
So the DOJG books are the to-go-to books for anything grammar related?
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>>133413441
Any literature is compelling content

And don't give me the translation bullshit. You should know better than to think of translations as a decent substitute
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>>133414432
>I can obviously figure out what it means, but I'd like to get a formal definition of how AもBも is used and what exactly it means

99% of the time this happens the answer is "it means exactly what you thought it meant"
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How do you do anki without feeling like a slave?
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>>133414752
Anki is worthless. You feel like you're learning when you aren't.
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So uh

Is there an indexed / plaintext / typed version of dobjg somewhere?

You can't really "search" the pdf in provided in the pastebin
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>>133414803
>anki is the opiate of Dekinai-chan
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>>133414832
The entries are alphabetically organized, you shouldn't have a problem.
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>>133414803
So much this, sometimes I feel like people in this thread who use Anki are more concerned about "hey guys look at muh epic stats on Anki" and discussing other useless stuff about anki while not actually learning how to "produce" speech and develop actual conversations
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>>133415015
I'm still learning kana, anki is all I have
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>>133415015
I use Anki because I don't really have the time or motivation to do reading every day. I don't produce because I can't and don't have anyone to talk to anyway.
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>>133415015
>They say Genki is useless.
>Proceed to spend 10 minutes "studying" vocab words and pressing "good" in Anki.
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>>133415015
Why would I care about speech or conversations?

I do despise Anki though.

Reading and listening only
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>>133415167
of course they press good, otherwise they drop below 95% and that would mean they are seen as eternal losers by this thread
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>>133415202
>Why would I care about speech or conversations?
To make your dream of going to Japan come true, of course. Better get started on handwriting you semi-illiterate!
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>>133413275
>Just because you spend 15 years learning the fucking thing in your shitty, inefficient, outdated school system, doesn't mean we have to
What method do you use, out of curiosity?
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>>133415202
>Why would I care about speech or conversations?
Knowing how to correctly pronounce words and being able to produce grammatically correct sentences on your own will inevitably and greatly help you in understanding when other people talk in that language

Also this >>133415335 start practicing your handwriting if you haven't already, that helps a fucking lot with almost identical looking kanji once you learned the radicals
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>>133415108
How can you have motivation to anki for an hour a day, but not to read for that time? It's more enjoyable.
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Show me your handwriting, /djt/
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>>133415473
RTK xD
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>>133415605
どう?
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What's the easiest way to delete pictures from a specific deck? They all seem be jumbled together in the same 34000 file folder, and I'd prefer to keep them for some of my other decks.
It feels like core's pictures have sweet fuck all to do with the word they accompany half of the time and do nothing apart from screwing with my head.
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>>133415583
It is but Anki is the priority for now because all I can read is Yotsuba while having jisho.org on the second monitor being used twice per page. My grammar skills are awful.
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>>133415961
Delete the picture tag from the kore card
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>>133415961
Delete the picture field, then go Tools > Check Media... to delete them from your media folder.
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>>133415975
Sounds like grammar needs to be your priority, nigga.
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>>133416371
I am reading Tae Kim, when I still feel like studying after my reps.
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>>133416427
Study first, reps later. Fuck you.
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>>133416112
>>133416315
Cheers.
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The mega link in the paste bin is kill and the list on the anki website doesn't look right.

Link to a core2k deck?
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>>133416462
Haha, as if.
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>>133416660
>The mega link in the paste bin is kill

It works fine. http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi
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>>133417117
Oh, that's a different link. I see.

I hit the anki link under vocab in the guide, which is apparently wasn't updated.

Cheers!
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Does the wakaru app for iphone not exist anymore?
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>>133417238
>iphone
Good job getting yourself ripped off, jebend. I bet you are one of those fucking liberal middle class suburbia hipster cunts.
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