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This is turning out pretty good.
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It is pretty comfy.
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>>133385503
I like cats
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If next episode starts after a timeskip and SSGSS isn't explained, well, I won't be happy.
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>>133385503
I like how it doesn't take itself too seriously.
That being said I feel like it'd be way better if they'd hired anyone but Toei to do it. I know that wouldn't happen but still.
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>>133385674
You know damn well they're gonna explain it during the Frieza arc
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>>133385503
I'm just curious to know how Vegeta got to the level where he can sense godly ki through training.

I mean, he never even did the Super Saiyan God powerup (even though he could have easily). He can hold that over Goku forever if he wanted.
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>>133386421
Whis is teaching him how to refine his ki so I guess that includes being able to sense gods
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>>133386421
>>133386496
How would he ever be able to go Super Saiyan Blue without the God Ki?
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>>133386617
Vegeta is gonna train so hard he just does it because fuck it.

Either that or some bullshit about how helping Goku transform left some godly ki deep inside all of them and be brings his out
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obligatory post about how super is shit and GT wasn't so bad
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>>133386736
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>>133385503
Just saying Gohan turning into GSM and Mr. Satan doing a mock fight over Pan was the cutest thing this season.
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>>133386765
someone has to say it or else it wouldn't be a Super thread
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>>133386816
My favorite scene is Hercule "punching" Goku so hard he grabbed his tractor and flew away
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bretty gud
I'm currently at episode 16 so I can't read anything in this thread. Just posting to backup OP
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>>133385503

FOR YOU
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People hate it because it has none of the seriousness of DBZ, but that's why I like it
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>>133386043
>That being said I feel like it'd be way better if they'd hired anyone but Toei to do it. I know that wouldn't happen but still.
This.
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I'm really liking it now. Champa & Vados finally being introduced is going to make it better too.
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Spoilers.

Ginyu's back in ep 22 it seems.
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obligatory
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I want this Frieza arc to hurry up and be done so they can get to this tournament, but I know it'll be at least another 15 eps

Who knows, maybe Frieza will survive and join the team for the tournament
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>>133386617
Beerus slaps Bulma twice
on her ass
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>>133387698

I honestly don't think so.

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten already fit the 5 for the team. No need for Trunks/Goten to fuse with SSJB, and if Gohan actually starts fucking training he can be in that spot too.
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>>133387042
>Hercule turns into a Super Saiyan and defeats Beebus
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>>133387565
Looks like it gonna be filler
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>>133387681
Love that Vegeta and Goku in their base forms at that point are more powerful than than they ever were as regular Super Saiyans, 2 or 3.
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>>133387681
Gay. Tails are touching.
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>>133387796
Yeah I figured it'd be the 5 Saiyans but here's hoping that there's a twist and one of them gets replaced by someone else
>>133387815
In a way, I really liked that Hercule told that stupid story. Hercule lies but he lets the people know that they have a hero (even if it really isn't him) and in return he's basically supporting the entire Goku family
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>>133387681
>and then they make out.
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>>133386350
DO I?! Is that what the manga did?
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>>133387884
I liked Super Saiyan 3, but I also loved that they acknowledged how useless it is despite the huge power boost it provides.
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>>133387956

Manga skipped Frieza arc and is on tournament arc now. I assume he meant that it'll get explained since they don't have time restriction like they did in the movie.
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Op do you mean that the animation is getting better?
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>>133387796
I feel like, as much as toriyama pushes "the saiyan show" People don't give him enough credit for throwing in a twist or two. I feel a couple spots will be taken by either a character we haven't met, or a complete gag entry like Mr. Satan or Jaco.
or maybe...just maybe...
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I kinda hope Frieza survives the end of the arc in Super. He's a colossal asshole with no redeeming traits, but it seems like such a waste to bring him back just to kill him off immediately.
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>>133388061
Well he dies at the end of resurrection F.
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>>133388061
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>>133387982
Hopefully. Freiza is revived next episode, so in the four months he trains, Goku and Vegeta probably get their powerup too.

Interesting, it makes Goku's statement about waiting before coming to Earth more interesting: perhaps he and Vegeta sprung to take on Beerus immediately, but were instructed not to.
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>>133388032
>Implying Arale won't be in one of the other Earths
Speaking of, are we assuming that Champa's universe is a basic "Mirror Mirror" universe where Goku is evil and conquers the Earth?
>>133388061
I think DBZ could use a recurring villain, but I can't see them keeping Frieza around
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>>133388214
But she's already on Goku's Earth. He met her.
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>>133388214
Wasn't there that one version that explored the possibility of Vegeta being sent to Earth instead of Goku?
That was a pretty fun read, and seeing that explored to an extent in Super could be fun.
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>>133388214
Champa is a dick like Beerus, so it's not mirror mirror.

Kakarotto is still probably a fag.
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>>133387681
I like both forms.
SSJ4 makes sense since they are monkeys.The only reedeming quality of GT.Dragon's arc had a good premise but the execution was fucked up.
Blue hair is cool.
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>>133388283
Oh snap. When?
>>133388345
Yeah I remember reading that here a few years ago, it was pretty damn good. Vegeta got sent to Earth instead of Goku and due to him being a dick and naturally stronger he steamrolls through every villain, until Goku arrives. Wish I had it in better quality
>>133388357
Well he's a god of destruction, I'm pretty sure being a dick is part of the job requirement
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>>133388452
Red Ribbon Army Saga. They fought Blue in Penguin Village.
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It's awful. And the people saying that it's like Dragon Ball are retarded. Dragon Ball was an adventure and the humor was natural. This is just "lol look at Vegeta doing this dumb uncharacteristic thing like cooking an omelette!". It's not even funny.
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Vados is a miracle of the universe.
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>>133388444
I don't know, I really liked GT's finale, too.
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Don't care. Dub when??
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Chichi is best girl.
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i really hate SSJ4. It's too different and really really flamboyant. Love the god forms though.
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>>133388642
>It's not even funny
u wot m80
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>>133385503

It's kinda generic so far. I'm afraid it will fall in the same "starts silly and funny and then gets serious and grimdark" thing that happens to most shonen show.
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>>133388854
I agree. I just wanna cuddle her and keep her financially stable.
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>>133389130
>I'm afraid it will fall in the same "starts silly and funny and then gets serious and grimdark" thing that happens to most shonen show.
So you're afraid it's gonna be Dragon Ball?
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>>133385674
>>133386421
>>133386496
>>133386617
The SSJG ritual gives the Saiyans the ability to go Super Saiyan Blue.
That's your answer, if you don't like it then prove it wrong.
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>>133389496
Does it give the ability to go Super Cyan, or does it just unlock Godly Ki?
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>>133388854
That moment was totally not ment to show how cute the baby is... Chichi is supposed to be cute too. The whole angry wife thing is also a part of it. Japanese otakus know...
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>>133387681
They should really just explain it as different evolutionary lines, everybody wins then
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>there are people that prefer the dub to the English voices and Faulconer's godly music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU5EMlT3Uzw
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>>133389496

Problem is, they don't show Vegeta going through that ritual is what they're pointing out. Not in the movie, not in the manga - so last try would be the anime.

There's also the fact that Vegeta can sense godly ki now, which we don't know if that's tied to SSJG, or just training required to sense it that he gained from Whis.

There may be another way to reach SSJG that Shenron didn't know about, but Vegeta learnt after the ritual for Goku, but it won't be clear until we get past that point in the anime and see if it is explained or not.
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>>133389612
>dub
I mean subs, shit
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>>133387915
>>133388032
Pic related is the only answer.
Goku and Vegeta are obligatory.
Gohan seems to finally understand the importance of training.
Goten and Trunks could get the blue hair and maybe some development to establish their characters outside of spoiled kid and Goku's clone.
But the question is Piccolo, he can participate in the tournament or ends as the angry coach yelling at the Saiyans how retarded they are.
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>>133389612
>americans
>muh serious fighting chinese cartoon
I only like Vegeta's theme.
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>>133388854
Chi Chi is worse girl.
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>>133388777
>>133388444
nise treps
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>>133389731
You can tell a chi-chi hater because they always use that image. Are goofy reaction faces supposed to make me hate her more? I still think she's cute.
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>>133389564
>>133389633
>or does it just unlock Godly Ki?
Yes, I would say thanks to the SSJG ritual the Saiyans gained godly ki, they just need training to awake their potential. Super is implying this is why Vegeta got the ability to sense god ki and the Cyan hair.
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>>133389671
But why would Beerus, who has the option to use ANYONE from universe 7 just use 5 earthlings? I'd hope Toriyama uses this chance to actually bring in some new characters. Remember. There's always someone stronger.
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>>133389612
supers early episodes were pretty shit. Getting a dub with good music would make me come back to it though
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>>133386421
>He can hold that over Goku forever if he wanted.
That's probably why they removed the scene where Goku complains about not earning the power, since it'd make him look bad compared to Vegeta.
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>>133389816
That's her personality in Super, she sucks in Super. In the last arc of Z she was okay, now her character is dead. Also in contrast with Bulma Chi Chi ages pretty badly.
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>>133389496

Wait, so that means Goten or Pan for example can eventually transform?
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>>133389855
>There's always someone stronger
At this point it would be retarded, Toriyama said in the universe 6 there are going to be new characters.
The cast for universe 7 are going to be the Saiyans (and maybe Piccolo) and the cast for universe 6 are going to be new characters.
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>>133389900
Yes. Goten and Trunks have the chance to go Super Cyan in the universe 6 tournament.
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I have some hope that the team won't be just the 5 Saiyans. They're still pretending to line up with the Z epilogue,and according to it Goten never powered up past Mr.Buu. Toriyama also didn't feature Goten and Trunks at all in the last movie, and ever since they started building up to it Trunks has become a non-entity and Goten is only getting some brief cameos due to having Goku's VA (and living with him).

The fact that Vegeta got to God ki absorbed level just training with Whis also opens up the doors for the non-Saiyans to get there too, since it takes a special training, rather than a Saiyan-exclusive transformation.

IMO, everything is lining up with the idea of the team not being just the Saiyans.

>>133389855
>But why would Beerus, who has the option to use ANYONE from universe 7 just use 5 earthlings?

We know that there was no one that Beerus considered worthy in Universe 7 until meeting Goku. That was the whole reason he was interested in the SSJ God.

The whole point of introducing the other universes is that the main cast is already the peak of Universe 7.
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>>133388854
She pissed me off for the first time at that scene and then for the rest of the episode.

Good thing she snapped out of it at the end.
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>>133390025
>since it takes a special training, rather than a Saiyan-exclusive transformation
You really believes this?
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>>133389826
Does that mean that there might be other ways to unlocking Godly Ki? Pehaps a Namekian ritual of sorts? Could Cell shit out five Cell Jrs and do the Saiyan god ritual?
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>>133390084
>You really believes this?

Yes? If they wanted to make it Saiyan-only they could just have made Vegeta go through the ritual too, like everyone expected. Rather than that we got just Whis training him up to that level.
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>>133389612
>Faulconer
Anybody who says anything even the most remotely negative about Failconer's music is literally worse than the 6,000,000 jews systematically murdered in gas chambers under Adolf Hitler's orders, and needs to attempt suicide immediately.
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>>133390125

The theory is that his Godly ki unlocked via the ritual, and then the training unlocked SSJB. So it would still have to be saiyans.
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>>133390116
To be honest I don't know, anon. I made this theory of mine with all the information we got from BoG/RoF and Super. I could invent stuff, but I wouldn't have anything to support that theory.
Maybe Piccolo could get a power up if he absorbs another Namekian.
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>>133390168
>The theory

But it's just a theory and they mentioned nothing about that in the last two episodes, which would be the best point to explain it, if they were going with that. Rather than that, we just got mentions of Whis' training. I don't think they're going to step back and then reveal new stuff about the Super Saiyan God ritual at this point. They aren't building any kind of mystery around it that would warrant that kind of exposition.
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>>133390116
>Could Cell shit out five Cell Jrs and do the Saiyan god ritual?
I thought they had to be pure of heart to do the SSG ritual. That's why SSG was so rare.
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>>133390341

If assholes like Vegeta can take part on the ritual, sure as hell that bootleg Cells and the man himself can do it.
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>>133390314

True. I'll just find it weird if they simply show Vegeta going SSJB like he did in the movie with no explanation. If they are going to, best time would be either next episode or the one after - in line with the manga where Goku vs Vegeta practice against each other and power up by "mistake". Then end up settling on that name of Super Saiyan Blue after Goku bites his tongue trying to say SSJGSSJ
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>>133390025
>We know that there was no one that Beerus considered worthy in Universe 7 until meeting Goku. That was the whole reason he was interested in the SSJ God.
No one worthy of being his rival sure. Even if Goku/Vegeta are the strongest creatures Beerus has met, Gohan, Piccolo, Gotenks, Buu, Basically everyone else is basically NOTHING compared to him. So while Goku and Vegeta are a given I'm saying we may get a new character that's stronger than the rest of the cast, but still weaker than Goku and Vegeta. Or maybe even someone who fights in a unique way unlike the others.
I'm just being hopeful. I don't want the team to be ALL characters we're familiar with and I definitely don't want it to all be saiyans. The universe is a big place. If everyone who fights in the tournament is just an earthling it'd just bum me out.
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>>133390314
>But it's just a theory and they mentioned nothing about that in the last two episodes
Except it actually works. For example the humans can't get a power up near Super Cyan level because humans, unlike Saiyans, have very limited ki. We could say the same for Piccolo, at this point we could say he keeps with his training, but he hasn't gained any notable power up.
Now think of this this way:
Everything we have seen from Whis training (in the movies and Super) is that it only serves to help them use their ki better. Now as they have gained god ki from the ritual, Whis's training actually helps them to achieve the new form because it forces them to train their base forms, rather than use the SSJ.
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>>133390532
>The universe is a big place. If everyone who fights in the tournament is just an earthling it'd just bum me out.
Except it was stated multiple times in the universe 7 the Saiyans are the most powerful beings taking Buu, Frieza and Beerus out of the picture. In the universe 6 there are going to be new characters.
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Given the difference in powerlevels, Goku and Vegeta would be the only members of the known cast to participate in the tournament. Even Gohan with his so called potential is shit compared with them and no amount of training will get him on par with the saiyan gods at time for it.

But knowing how dragon ball rolls, probably both this and the other universe's team will have two heavy hitters and the rest will be insects to fill the team
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>>133389878
>That's her personality in Super, she sucks in Super. In the last arc of Z she was okay, now her character is dead.
I agree, sadly. You'd think the writer(s) would make her a more chill character but instead they took that one aspect of character and exaggerated it 100x.

The ending for episode 15 broke my heart instead of making me laugh (or being mildly amusing). No one should be so afraid of a family member that they hide outside having to miss dinner.
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>>133385503
vados saved super
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How are saiyans even able to become so powerful?
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>>133391365

Unlimited potential unleashed by just training hard, something only Goku did and Vegeta after him.
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>>133391405
Vegeta eventually hit a plateau, though.
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I think frieza is going to live this arc.

The way goku was talking to frieza was like leave and comeback, you are a good training partner.
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>>133390314
>>133390425
And what I forgot to say is that Beerus said only gods could sense other gods. And how could Vegeta became a god? With the SSJG ritual, it gave him and the others god ki, they only need to awaken it.
Whis's training is just forcing them to unleash all of their potential, which couldn't happen with the humans or Piccolo.
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>>133391484
Frieza's a crazyass psycho motherfucker. He won't leave himself until Goku is dead. Anything else and that's seriously OOC.

You could argue about Beerus but does he really care about Goku or the Earth other than its food?
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>>133391405
No, ki is the.... key.
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>>133391573
Frieza was kinda friendly on that ROF.

It didn't even seem like he wanted to kill goku that bad.
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>>133391685
He completely lost it once Vegeta was knocking him around.
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>>133391717
But I still think he is going to be chosen in the tournament. Or beerus will force him since he is so scared of him.
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>>133391884
>he is going to be chosen in the tournament
He's dead, I could bet my balls he is going to die in Super as well. And I doubt Toriyama is going to use him.
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>>133391884
I wonder about just how much potential does Freeza have, he is undoubtedly gifted since he could outdo Goku's years of intense training in just 4 months. Maybe he could even rival Beerus if he really committed to improving himself?
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>>133392105
>Maybe he could even rival Beerus if he really committed to improving himself?
Maybe, but he is lazy as fuck.
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>>133391484

You're forgetting that Frieza is relentless sore loser, he had so many chances to just cut his loses and go in namek but he had to be a sore loser to the bitter end.
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>>133390341
And a Super Saiyan must be pure of heart in the first place. Vegeta became one nonetheless and also >>133390416

You can always say his heart was pure evil, of course.
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>>133392105
I think Toriyama said that Frieza would never get to Beerus level no matter how much he trained.
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>>133392809
I wonder if that means that freeza is incapable of attaining that strength or if it's just Freeza, as a person, is not willing to put in the work and technique necessary to do such?
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>>133392809

i believe in him, he's sooo cute
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>>133392809

But Gold Freezer was like a 6 or a 7 to Beerus's 10, and that was with just four months of training. Assuming that we give him a year to train, he should become as strong if not stronger than beerus
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>>133394092
>>133393419
>>133392809
Maybe Toriyama is implying Frieza actually has a limit.
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>>133394362
That would be fair. The whole reason Freeza is so strong in the first place is because he's a mutant. Most of Freeza's race aren't even half as strong as he is. Him and his father are a special case. And considering Freeza can't really manage Ki control and is basically just Outputting his max power at basically all times in any given form, Once he reaches a cap he has nowhere to go but down.
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Why do subs take for ever to come out?
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>>133394511
>Him and his father are a special case
Didn't Toriyama said Frieza was stronger than King Cold?
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>>133394619
8000subs are based
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>>133394362
If he is, the limit is that Frieza is impatient and unwilling to put in the proper effort to get actually good, leaving his stamina almost universally shit.
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>>133394619

Over8000 are really quick, and good translations unlike shitty speedsubs like Kami, and weeks behind Dragonteam.
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>>133394619
>he's still waiting for DragonTeam
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>>133394754
Could be, but I'm taking into account "no matter how much he trains".
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>>133394795
I'm still waiting for Sage to finish G-Reco
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People seriously enjoy this? I'm not even trolling, I just cannot comprehend. Maybe it's a kids thing? I mean, I'm 25, grew with all of Dragon Ball and feel like Super is just a worthless cashgrab with no redeeming, especially after that shitshow that was Revival of F and awfull BoG. Then again, I don't watch anime, so maybe I just don't buy into bullshit for the sake of bullshit.
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>>133394705
>>133394781
Thanks. Been using Kami while waiting for Dragon team, but Kami hasn't had episode 18 released yet.
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>>133394890
k
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>>133394890
If you don't like it, you don't like it. I can't really argue opinions with you. That being said, BoG and RoF was some of the most enjoyable Dragonball things I've seen in a while. Watching BoG is what got me to start getting back into the series in the first place.
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>>133394997
>RoF was some of the most enjoyable Dragonball thing
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>>133394997

I genuinely feel it is awful and has nothing to do with the original material, just some vague cashgrab. What did you find enjoyable in those movies or even in this show?
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>>133394961

No prob, Over8000 started on Ep13 or 14 iirc. I really suggest swapping to them.
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>>133395036

Agreed. While BoG had its moments, RoF was pure nostalgia pandering and had filler scenes in a freaking movie.
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>chi chi will never work you
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>>133395052
>What did you find enjoyable in those movies or even in this show?
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>>133395099

I fucking hate how Chi chi become an irritating cunt while Bulma remained a cool motherfucker. Toriyama must've really hated her character or tried too hard with the le chichi is mad again joke
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>>133394997
>That being said, BoG and RoF was some of the most enjoyable Dragonball things I've seen in a while.

Same here.

It felt very enjoyable. And watching Goku losing at the end for once was refreshing.
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>>133395190
Chi Chi in Super is just garbage.
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>>133395190

She's always been this way. I find it cute. It's not like she's a complete bitch. Her coming-to-terms when Goku left shows that she's got a cool side. She just tries real hard to be a wife.
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>tfw Tien won't be part of Universe 7's team

fuck this
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>>133395131

That's just a few seconds in over 4h of content, though.
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>>133395254
>>133395190

Let's be real here. Krillin was able to snag the best wife.
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>>133395052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kltC-FnIzpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B_fK_wJlBU
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>>133395273
Someone post the Goku being by Satan webm/gif
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>>133395131
This for me too.
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>>133395052
Battle of gods kind of gave me the warm feeling that things like...World Tournament beginings or the in-between arc, or even early Buu saga gives me. It's all of the cast hanging out being buddies and I like that aspect of them. I also am glad they chose to have a lighthearted tone with everyone acting a bit silly. It felt very "Toriyama" to me. I'm glad they didn't try to make it serious and heavy. Dragonball is at its best when it's a bit light.

I honestly like that they brought back Pilaf. Although making them kids is..."eh" I still appreciate the call back.

Beerus is an enjoyable villain. I love that he's basically a spoiled child. He reminds me of a Buu saga villain in that, he has incredible power but is honestly equal parts a gag character and serious threat. The ensuing fight between Beerus and Goku is satisfying because of Goku's relationship with Beerus.

I also like that it focuses on the "There's always someone stronger than you" Theme of dragonball. That and the fact that Goku wants to achieve strength by his own merits. It felt very in-character. The best part of the movie to me is that Goku doesn't win. The fact that he loses the fight is probably the most satisfying aspect of that movie.
I can't really put into words exactly what endeered me so much to that film, but those were just some of the key points I loved.
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>>133395036
>>133395372
>>133395085
I went into RoF expecting to hate it and I was pleasantly surprised. Again, like BoG the movie made a very smart decision to again, not take itself too seriously. Sure, the first part where the Earthlings are taking out Freeza's army before Freeza actually shows up, it feels somewhat intense because of the looming threat of Freeza. But once Goku shows up there's a certain levity to it. And one of the best features is it has Goku bouncing off of Freeza and Goku bouncing off of Vegeta. I think these 3 characters have a really good chemistry with each other.
Freeza and Goku hate each other but they both have this kind of,...begrudging respect for one another. Both of them love fighting one another because the other is such an interesting challenge. The difference being Freeza's a sore loser while Goku's honorable and humble.

Goku and Vegeta on the other hand are almost like two brothers or even kids. The way they bicker is enjoyable and I really loved seeing them take something as serious as freeza as just..."We'll trade off in a few minutes".
All the characters felt perfectly in character with little flanderization. Besides Gohan getting one punched I had no problem with how any of the characters were portrayed. Especially Jaco who was really enjoyable, especially considering I read his book the summer before.

My only big problems is the battle goes on a bit too long and starts to tread on "GET ON WITH IT!" territory. Vegeta not getting to beat Freeza is lame too.
It had a decent mix of levity and comedy with the action and characterization, although I'd still say it's worse than BoG
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>>133395099
I just want her to be happy.
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>>133395679

Don't we all?
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>>133395634
Don't care if you liked it. RoF is bad, not as bad as others DBZ movies, but bad in the end.
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>>133395720
No.
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>>133396136

Please go.
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>>133396096
>My opinion is better than yours.
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>>133396209
Sorry if the true hurts you, anon.
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>>133396096
I guess. It's definitely not the best. The CG is really offputting. On top of that there's a lot of frames/scenes that look REALLY shitty for movie quality. Background perspectives that're off and characters being off model. I know it's Toei but SHIT. Make an effort. Golden Freeza's design is ass. Gohan kinda got the short end of the stick. Vegeta not getting to kill Freeza is lame. The fights go on too long. There's little tension because there aren't a lot of scenes where I'm worried about Goku. A lot of these could have been handled a lot better. It still exceeded my expectations though, probably because I was expecting it to be pure trash.

I still wouldn't say it's a "bad" film. I'd probaby say it was average at worst. But the general consensus seems to be that it was bad so.
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>>133385623
No, cats are horrible get a dog
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>>133396234
My opinion and the general opinion. RoF isn't good by any means, it's just a bunch of cliches put together and sold with Toriyama's name (prop tip: he wasn't as involved in the movie as he was in BoG9.
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>>133395286
Yep.

>>133395679
I want her to be a Z-Warrior.
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>>133396341
It's not bad imo, it's just mediocre. If you look at it from a standalone point, it's just your standard action flick with scenes that move from one point to the other with some nice character interactions. Not terrible but ultimately forgettable. If you look at it from the overall scope of the Dragon Ball franchise, then yeah, it will worsen your opinion.

>>133396405
Then why was he given sole credit for the screenplay?
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>>133396341
>But the general consensus seems to be that it was bad
>Resurrection 'F' score on MAL: 7.75
>Battle of Gods score on MAL: 7.67
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>>133396471
Also 79% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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>>133396425
It'd have been cool if she was like backup squad. Someone who was Yamcha/Chaozu/Videl/Yajirobe Tier. Like she was never on the frontlines but could kick ass when it's not a super powerful alien.
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>>133396453
Because he did what he is doing in Super, he just gave them the idea and the idiot direct trashed the movie.
We had a discussion if it was the director's own stupidity to make Shisami to fight in pair with Piccolo when they clearly said in the movie he was at Dodoria's level.
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>>133396471
Wow. You know, talking to just /a/ and art school students, I had just assumed it was unpopular with a lot of people. Then again, most people probably won't prod too much into the DBZ characters and storytelling and just like watching goku punch stuff.
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>>133396471
>>133396533
Mentioning MAL.
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>>133396552
Did they say he was on Dodoria's "level" or that he had Dodoria's "rank"? I assumed that he was considerably stronger than Dodoria but was still the 2nd in command, same position Dodoria held.
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Just finished DBZ a few weeks back after not really bothering to watch it from start to finish.

Going to try and start on Super this weekend. As I understand it, the last two movies were retconned (and the entirety of GT) by Super.
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>>133395336
>Someone post the Goku being by Satan webm/gif

Got'cha covered.
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>>133396659
>crowd doesn't change their gaze
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>>133395203
>It felt very enjoyable. And watching Goku losing at the end for once was refreshing.
It sucks that in the English dub Goku loses, but in Jap Beerus tells Goku that he beat him
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>>133396552
That's kind of what happens a lot in movies.

There's gotta be a sticky about the Dodoria line on Kanzenshuu somewhere.
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>>133396341
>CG
Don't get me started. That CG is puke worthy. I'm not sure if I prefer that or Food Fight.
>tension
That's another issue I had. Even in BoG & full knowledge of the epilogue with Uub, I felt abit of tension with Goku being the only one who can take Beerus on. In RoF, we have Goku. He loses? Vegeta is watching. Vegeta somehow looses too? Beerus & Whis are there. I couldn't get any investment. There isn't even an emotional thing for me.
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>>133395679
>>133395720
>>133396209
What Chi-chi needed was more role models and friends earlier in her life. She has a sheltered outlook in life that comes about from being raised as the Ox King's daughter first, and only the Ox King's daughter. The only other role models she's really had are, in her own words, whatever she's read in magazines.

She'd be quite different if she had others to interact with growing up. Imagine if she actually got a chance to be a Turtle School student with Goku and Krillin, for example. If she and Bulma especially got to interact to any significant degree, or hell, even just her and Launch (shit, remember Launch? Toriyama doesn't).

There's a reason Chi-chi is what she is, but it's kind of a sad one.
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>>133396536
>Chaozu/Videl Tier

Damn.
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>>133396659

The only thing I love more than Mr. Satan hamming it up, is that Goku is a good enough sport to ham it up with him, even if it's a means to get the fuck away from Chi Chi.

Goku in general has been entertaining as hell, if not constantly ditching out work to train, then harassing the shit out of Bulma to go train with Whis, if not just desperately trying to avoid Chi Chi's complaints to the point he'd tackle Whis to escape--even knowing his wife well enough that she'd understand him running off to do what he enjoys.
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>>133396656

Yeah just watch Super. There's bad animation especially for first few episodes (notably Ep5) but it gets better.
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>>133396957
Fair enough. Saves me 3 hours. What I've seen of Super so far seems pretty promising. A bit more light hearted; but I think that may be just the ticket.
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>>133396536
Vidal isn't on that tier though. All she knows how to do is fly. That doesn't automatically put her on the same level as guys like Yajirobe who was able to kill Cymbal? and was as fast as Kid Goku who had already received Karin's training.
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>>133397068

Make sure to watch Dragonteam upto their current release, then swap to Over8000.
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>>133397196
Noted
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I'm gonna rewatch Dragon Ball and Z, because I've only saw it once when I was a lot younger. There look to be multiple versions of both, which do I watch? And subs or dubs?
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>>133397068
>>133396957
It's enjoyable if you're not taking it seriously but you also need to prepare for padding out the ass because this is toei.
It baffles me that super has so much padding and filler.
It's an original story! It's not even based on a manga or anything. There's no threat of catching up because they're the ones writing it.
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>>133397317
If you're gonna watch dubbed, only watch Kai. Otherwise, just watch with subs but watch out for adult Goku's voice.
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>>133397137
Fair enough. Maybe Chi-chi and Videl can be their own tier. Baby maker tier. Powerful enough to throw a punch and make babies.
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>>133397355
So regular Japanese with subs then? I can handle the Japanese Goku voice I think.
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>>133397317
I'd very much suggest you read the manga if you're just in it for the story. It's to the point, the action is really concise and the pacing feels good when you read it all at once.
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>>133397387
>Fair enough. Maybe Chi-chi and Videl can be their own tier. Baby maker tier. Powerful enough to throw a punch and make babies.
Videl is nowhere near Chi-Chi power-wise, though.
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>>133397317

For Z, watch Kai instead. Upto Buu Saga is dubbed, but Buu saga itself is sub only currently. It's a remastered version that cuts out all filler, makes powerup scenes shorter etc.

Or just watch sub from the getgo, most have a problem with Goku's voice but isn't really an issue if you're used to it.
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>>133397317
watch the sub starting from pilaf

You'll get used to Goku's voice by the time you watch Super as Super won't have english until at least another year or two. I think outside of Goku, it's undeniable that the voice acting is consistently better in Japanese.
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>>133397317
I personally like dub for Dragon Ball because Japanese Gokus voice hurts to listen to.
If you go for dub, go Kai since it's right to the point, but make sure to watch the DBZ drivers ed filler since it's the only good one.
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>>133397512
>outside of Goku
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>>133397458
Based on what? To be honest we haven't seen either of them have any "amazing" feats of strength. At least not in the manga. Even if Videl is weaker than Chi-chi, there's no telling by how much.
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>>133397542
>Not liking Toshio Furukawa, Ryo Horikawa, Ryusei Nakao and Norio Wakamoto.
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>>133397542
No way is english Bulma better than jpn Bulma. The english one sounds like a frog and he's not as emotive as jpn Bulma.

The english voices that are good in Dragon Ball are Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, and Master Roshi. Bulma, Yajirobe, Chi chi, ox king, turtle, etc.. are much better in Japanese. That is why I think the jpn is consistently better.

I also forgot to mention that the english dub changed a lot of lines from the original for no reason.
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>>133396629
Dodoria level.
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>>133395271
He better fucking be
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>>133397703
The original english dub is pretty bad. Also the reason they changed a lot of stuff is because they were actually dubbing the episodes the mexicans already dubbed and at times, didn't fully understand what some things were meant to translate to.
The Kai english dub is fine.
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>>133397959
I thought it was because Toei gave them a script that was barely workable.
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>>133396957
>>133397068
>>133397196
>>133397334
To be honest I would recommend to skip Super's BoG. Watch episode 1 and 2, then watch the movie, then watch episodes 15, 16, 17, 18.
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>>133397558
Based on...

Chi-Chi:
>Can throw blade with enough force to decapitate a T-rex as a kid while scared
>Master of Turtle Hermit style
>Can casually one-shot elite fighters
>Was fast and strong enough to make Goku somewhat nervous trying to avoid her attacks and while holding a conversation with him
>Can jump 100+ feet with ease and still fight with great speed while hovering in the air
>Can take a shockwave-like attack that shocked Muten Roshi, Krillin, and Yamcha by it's sheer power which sends her flying at high speed into a (solid concrete?) wall headfirst with hardly a hair out of place
>Can take a slap from a SSJ Goku which sends her flying through a wall, a tree, and a boulder with only superficial damage
>Spared with Goten on a regular basis

Videl:
>Fights common thugs often
>Is shocked at Gohan jumping 8 meters
>Is shocked at Gohan shattering guns with his bare hands
>Learns how to fly in 10 days
>Gets tired after a few pages in during her fight against an opponent of a similar caliber
>Gets wrecked by a weak ki blast
>Is shown vulnerable to bullets

I think it's clear who's the stronger one...
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>>133397500
>>133397512
>Goku's voice but isn't really an issue if you're used to it
I had to laugh. I watched Super since episode 1 and it's really sad how old Granny Goku is getting at the point I can't difference her Goku's voice and her Gohan's voice, not be mention Goten sounded horrible in episode 17.
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>>133397658
Off with that person's head.
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>>133397658
>>133397703

I meant to imply there's nothign wrong with Jap Goku. In fact, it sounds better.
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>>133397959
I'm talking about the dub from pilaf to right before Raditz. Not Z.
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>>133398506
>it sounds better
Krillin's VA sounds way better and he's almost an extra by this point. Truly sad.
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18 was actually good for the most part. Still had plenty of QUALITY but it was entertaining to actually see them traim and it was actually funny. Goku reminded me of his self as a child, especially at the peeing part.

Are the BD's out? Anyone know if they fixed some of the animation in them?
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>>133399017

There won't be BD's for quite awhile man.
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>>133396311
>Chichi distant from her family to symbolize that, the end of the day (symbolized by the setting sun), they lack any intimate bonds.

im fucking waling up a storm bros
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>>133399119
Damn what takes so long? Already episode 18
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>>133396700
then there necks would snap, retard.
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>>133399285

Buu saga of Kai doesn't even have BD yet. So no idea what's going on with Toei.
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>>133399265
maybe if she didn't push them away by being such a bitch.
then again Goku isn't exactly a great husband either
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>>133396351
>This
dogs of destruction when
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>>133399265
That's really what you got out of that?
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>>133399119
wut but i saw the commercials for the first bd
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>>133398616
Yeah. I hated Yajirobe's character until I saw the sub as the japanese VA is really good. How the hell funimation decided to use a surfer voice is beyond me.
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>>133399403
Toei sucks dicks and makes weird decisions that honestly are counter productive to making money.
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>>133400399
It'd have been neat if they'd just gotten Krillin's VA to voice him since they're canonically supposed to have similar voices. I mean I guess they kinda do since both of their voices are kinda scratchy.
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>>133397923
>wanting the second biggest Jobber of the Z fighters to Join the fray.
Tien is free as fuck.
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>>133399265
Nigga are you serious?
That makes as much sense as saying Krillin clucked 18 because it looks like he's staring at Chiaotzu's ass in that picture.
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>>133401144
>>133401144
>2nd biggest jobber

That's Krillin. Tien is probably the easiest character to write into the universe 7 team. He's the most technical fighter and he hasn't been seen in a long time, yet he's been training non-stop.
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>>133401263
>Tien is probably the easiest character to write into the universe 7 team.
If anything 18 is still probably the strongest of the humans. If you look back at the DBZ Manga. and there's no way in fuck she's getting in.

Tien is neither a Saiyan, nor is he a green person. The chances of him getting into the tournament are slim to none.

Be happy we got ROF with him.
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>>133401462
Yeah I don't expect him in. Still I liked the way he fought. He hit really hard, but at the same time was really technical.
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I want to rewatch this with proper subs, because I've been watching 4-5 different groups so far and they were all shitty.
What's /a/'s recommdation for sub release to watch this series with?
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>>133401686
I like how everyone kinda had their own traits in fights
Yamcha was fierce and reckless but had a bountiful knowledge about various fighters

Krillin was small and strong like goku but much more crafty and over time starts manipulating Ki in really interesting ways.

Tenshinhan, technical and strange. He has many unexpected techniques under his belt as well as some powerful moves like the kikoho.

Piccolo: Unpredictable and ferocious. from stretchy arms to growing giant, to mouth lazers . It seemed Piccolo was always coming up with new techniques.
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>>133401973
DragonTeam and Over8000 are supposed to be best. The former is slow and hasn't released anything since 13, but the latter is pretty fast
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>>133390138
Falcouner was shit you ADHD burgerfat
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>>133395190
Bulma is rich, she doesn't care about anything.

Meanwhile Chi Chi used to have family money but since Goku never worked a day in his life they've become poor. Toriyama loves this sort of sitcom situation, thus why he made her the mad wife with a neet husband.
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