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Did Lelouch do anything wrong?

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Did Lelouch do anything wrong?
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He died.
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He never scored.
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>>133138412
>He died.
he didnt
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>>133138499
Don't be in denial, anon. He isn't the cart driver, he is dead.
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He became king of the edgelords.
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Loving this shit of a sister he had.
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>>133138378
Rolo did nothing wrong. Shirley was an annoying side character that never did anything helpful and is better dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwJ-PXZwvw
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Bad mistakes? He made a few.
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>>133138378
He did plenty wrong but given the situation of the state of the world and people in charge of it, he at least made it justified
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>>133138378
He didn't use his powers to help Rivalz get laid
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>>133138378
He never actually staged a rebellion.
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>>133138378
He didn't kill Rolo soon enough.
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>>133138378
Not fucking the shit out of Euphie.
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>>133139934

Top kek so the ends justify the means. Killing people is okay as long as there is a great good at the end.

Gotta love these fags on here who think Ledouche is some kind of saint. Fuck off.
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>UNITED STATES OF JAPAN

really?
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>>133138378
Didn't he fuck everything up on accident? So yeah, he did
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>>133141460
>really?

really?
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>>133141409
He realized his mistakes and accepted his punishment in the end.
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>>133139394
I didn't like Shirly either, hell I find her ANNOYING but killing her might've been a little far for Rolo.
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>>133138378
He didn't tap that ass
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>>133142069

Accept we don't know if he died at the end. Don't make me laugh anon, if the creator wanted us to see L.L die he would have confirmed in the series and there wouldn't be one iota of a chance he survives.
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>>133138378
Yes, he chose to fight against Britannia instead of ruling it.
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>>133138543
I'm the cart driver and I'm not Lelouch. I'm giving CC some pepperoni right now.
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>>133142147
>he takes the "Lelouch didn't die" meme seriously.
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>>133138378
He chose to make himself the villian when he didn't have to be to successfully join people together. It's not like the absence of tyrant lelouch is going to make 11s loved now. The timescale with kallen shows that 11s are probably equal now but it won't change the personal ideas of the britanian snobs. He could have easily accomplished this by using his status to completely equalize them. He was a britanian himself so nobody could say he was being biased for towards his people. They just decided to make him an edgewood during the last episode because meh messiah must die for deh pplz
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>>133141409
No one called him a saint, get Suzaku's cock out of your mouth.
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>>133142111
Is it me or is C.C.'s ass bigger than I remember?
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>>133142283
Why do most if not all the Code Geass girls have such great singular art but just okay Doujins.
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>>133142389
>Not remembering Pizzabutt in all of it's glory.
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>>133143935
Hey it's been a while since I last saw this. And if there's anything I can't forget, is how much I liked CC. And her gorgeous ass.
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>>133144333
It's okay anon.
Here, burn it into your memory.
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>>133144618
Thanks.
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Having a terrible sense of humor.
Abandoning his forces in their finest hour to save his sister.
Not fucking any of the women around him.
>>133142069
>accepted his punishment
Accept punishment? Whose punishment? Everyone was on his terms.
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>>133145093
*Everything
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>>133138458
Yeah that sucks doesn't it?
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>>133145093
>Whose punishment?

Well, for starters, Suzaku's. He was the one with the biggest beef with Lelouch.

But that's not really the point here.
Even if it was all on his terms, it doesn't take away of his atonement. Self-punishment is a thing, you know.
Heghting because of th was in a situation seen in many wars, that he couldn't stop fiose who had aready died, even if it meant shedding even more blood.
The difference here is that he didn't plan to get away with it, he had planned for his death to give the world peace, even if he did a lot of evil, he gave his own life for the world in the end.
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>>133138378
>Did Lelouch do anything wrong?
>Entire world loved him as Zero
>Entire world loved him as Lelouch vi Britannia
>"Eh, I'll do this convoluted plan to make everyone hate me so they can unite under a common banner"
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>>133145826
Most ridiculous 'punishment' ever. He 'atoned' by being a complete asshole and then got his partner to kill him as part of the plan. Half of you don't even believe he died when he was killed.

It being on his terms did take away from it.
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>>133138378
Nigga, did you even watch the show? Nothing he planned went according his way. He always had to think fast to correct his mistakes.
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Probably didn't need to set up a God Emperor of Dune gambit in order to fix his father's sins.
On the other hand he probably learned that being on top sucked and he would rather go live a quiet simple life with the glorious pizzabutt
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>>133142147
>if the creator wanted us to see L.L die he would have confirmed in the series
But the creative staff all confirmed that Lelouch died in several interviews. If you want to argue he's alive your only route is dead of the author.
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He didn't fuck Rolo.
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>>133138378
he trusted that fuck ogi
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He did tons of shit wrong, that's the whole point of his plan.
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>>133141409
>wars are either all white or all black

Nah that's just how history likes to paint them
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>>133138378
One of the main plot points was him accidentally making his sister kill innocent people.
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Well he did accidentally ruin Euphie's shit. That's pretty much his only major fuckup and he pays for it for the rest of his life. But then again, who knows how things might have turned out if Charles had been allowed to continue with his plans while Lelouch was playing hippie with Euphemia.
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>>133146595
Except there's always the good guys and the bad guys, haven't you learned anything from books?
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>>133146142
He atoned by literally achieving world peace after giving away his life.
I dunno about you, but I think world peace is quite a big deal.
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He didn't use his Geass power to immediately infiltrate Britannia from the inside, using his bloodline as an excuse to take over the world. He could have easily Geass'd any family member who got in his way, convincing them that they had turned to his side, joining their armies with his. His first mistake was killing Clovis rather than have him swear fealty.
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>>133146675
>absolute morality
top kek m8
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>>133146675
It's like D tard in the show, he kept painting one side as good and the other as pure evil even though depending how you looked at it either side could have been the "good side"
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>>133146735
>>133138378
On that matter, why didn't he just commanded to everyone the "OBEY ME FOREVER" from the start?
That would've made for a pretty uninteresting plot, but as it is we just got a major plot hole.
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He didn't tell Nunnally what he was going to do right away.
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>>133146919
From the start he didn't know if his power had a time limit, so it was unreliable.
After chalk mark girl confirmed it, yeah, it'd be a no brainer.
Only he didn't really want domination as his ultimate goal. He wanted to figure out and avenge his mother's death.
But then it turns out she was also a horrible person and Lulu just went nuclear after that.
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>>133138378
The fucking second time he ever used his geass turned ut to be a big mistake and came back to bite him in the ass.
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>>133146919
Too much of a risk since he didn't know the limits to his geass so to make people his slave would have been much too risky.

I'll agree that there were a few times he should have used it rolo was a big one I was never sure why he didn't use his geass on
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>>133147015
Yeah, you're probaby right.
And after he "went nuclear" he did use that command on the britannians and on Schneizel
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>>133147163
>Too much of a risk since he didn't know the limits to his geass so to make people his slave would have been much too risky.
On that note, if you don't know the limits, test them before you do ANYTHING.
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>>133147418
He did.
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>>133147518
>He did.
No, he used it on Clovis and many guards before him when it was unnecessary. He should have gotten out of the warzone, thoroughly tested his powers, then Geass'd all the motherfuckers everywhere.
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>>133138378
OVA 4 When
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>>133147586
He assumed clovis could tell him exactly who kills his mother as he thought the whole family was in on it. When he realized Clovis wasn't responsible and didn't know who was he had to update his plans
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>>133146728
>He atoned by literally achieving world peace after giving away his life.
His father and brother were also trying to achieve assured world peace. Lelouch simply won out.

You ignore that he did this by being a tyrant and that Lelouch favored freedom over security.
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>>133147796
>He assumed clovis could tell him exactly who kills his mother as he thought the whole family was in on it.
And that was stupid. "Be my slave" was a much better command later in the show.
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>>133147586
And lose the greatest oportunity in 10 years to obtain some answers when it practically fell on his lap?
I can't say it'd be dumb, but being this overly cautious would be really unecessary.
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>>133147846
Lelouch obtained a peace not done by fear or by halting humanity's progress, he basically became a bad guy who would not interfere with a unified humanity leaving the future of the people up to themselves to choose.

>>133147882
Again, he didn't know the limitations until later there were definately people he could have used it on later on in the show but didn't. Rolo, Ogi, and d tard would have been perfect people to use it on
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>>133147909
>And lose the greatest oportunity in 10 years
He had the Geass now. He could easily make the opportunity at his leisure.
>being this overly cautious would be really unecessary.
if I'd just been given the power that even God doesn't use, I'd be overly cautious for a while.

>>133147972
>Again, he didn't know the limitations until later
And now we've come full circle
>On that note, if you don't know the limits, test them before you do ANYTHING.
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>>133147972
You're trivializing it. Lelouch became a brutal tyrant in order to obtain his peace. People still suffered and died in his path to 'atonement', all according to plan. He was still a monster regardless of his intentions.
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>>133148191
>intentions
And consequences.
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>>133148191
>People still suffered and died
Name any group that Lelouch made directly suffer that wouldn't have possibly suffered during the war anyways.
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Remember how everyone was excited for the new Code Geass and it turned out to be a piece of shit
Good times
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>>133147846
Charles sought for stagnation, Schneizel went for peace through fear.

It's a purely philosophical question as to whether Lelouch's peace was better than Charle's (I think we can agree that Schneizel was full of shit), valuing freedom over security.

Anyway, I know you're trying to move goalposts here, but my point that Lelouch atoned for his sins in the end.
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>>133148417
>new Code Geass
You mean that shitty manga that happens 500 years before Lelouch?
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>>133148453
*my point that Lelouch atoned for his sins in the end still stands.
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>>133138378
Yes, constantly shitposting with a tripcode
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>>133138378
He never fucked CC.
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>>133148012
>He had the Geass now. He could easily make the opportunity at his leisure.
He didn't know if he had it for good either. He seized the chance he had with the information he had available at that moment.
Yes, it was slightly more driven by emotion than reasoning. But he only did things he knew he could do. His first failure lead him to carefully investigate the power before he used it again.
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>>133148372
Please explain why Lelouch had to be a jackass so he could 'atone'. It was pointless.
>>133148453
>I know you're trying to move goalposts here, but my point that Lelouch atoned for his sins in the end.
My point is that he really didn't, he simply committed more sins to get what he wanted. No goalposts are being moved, you can't score for shit is all.
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>>133148572
>He didn't know if he had it for good either.
I'll give you that one, though he still should have gone "YOU ARE ALL MY SLAVES" after figuring out the Geass.
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>>133148581
>he simply committed more sins to get what he wanted.
He wanted to atone for his sins by achieving world peace and dying.
He ceirtainly didn't want to die just for the sake of it or out of self interest.
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>>133148698
As >>133147015 said,
>Only he didn't really want domination as his ultimate goal. He wanted to figure out and avenge his mother's death.

He was an hypocrite to the end, and he knew it.
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>>133148581
>Please explain why Lelouch had to be a jackass so he could 'atone
Why should I, when you fail to answer my question?

>>133148914
>He wanted to figure out and avenge his mother's death.
And that would have been fairly easy by enslaving his brothers and sisters under his care. If he was really serious about avenging mommy.
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>>133138378
He did plenty wrong.
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>>133149051
And I don't even need to talk about the murder princess
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>>133138378
No. Everything Lelouch did was necessary. He was evil at times but never outright wrong.

Also, Lelouch is completely dead. We saw his ghost and everything.
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>>133148756
He 'atoned' by committing more of the same sins, only with different intentions and a different goal. "I'm sorry I was an asshole for my own sake so to make up for it I'll be an asshole for everyone's sake." Sounds nicer but is still just as fucked up. It's not atonement.
>Why should I, when you fail to answer my question?
Because your question could be rendered irrelevant by answering mine. Why did he need to be a tyrant in the first place to get his peace?
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>>133138378
Lelouch is a mess and collections of fuck ups, only doing something right in the end.

This guy, however, really did nothing wrong.
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>>133149192
>nukezaku
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>>133149192
Suzaku did everything wrong.

The way I look at it is this, Lelouch was an evil villain but he was right. And Suzaku was the good guy hero but he was wrong about pretty much everything.
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>>133149141
>"I'm sorry I was an asshole for my own sake so to make up for it I'll be an asshole for everyone's sake."
More like "I'm sorry I was an asshole for my own sake so to make up for it I'll be an asshole so we can achieve world peace upon my death."
Don't know what you're talking about, sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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>>133149322
>>133149141
Also,
>>Why should I, when you fail to answer my question?
wasn't me.
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>>133149099
>blaming Lelouch for that
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>>133149261
Wasn't his fault, that was the geass.

>>133149289
Suzaku is a delusional self-destructive faggot. If you think he's a "good guy hero" you didn't understood his character.
And being this delusional, self-destructive faggot, he was conceptually wrong about many things in his hypocrisy, but he never actually 'did' anything wrong.
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>>133149409
I blame the bad writing.
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>>133149409
well, yeah. I do blame him for that.
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>>133149192
>murdered his father.
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>>133149590
>If you think he's a "good guy hero" you didn't understood his character.
That's the subversion, though. He's the white knight, the humble hero who pursues justice.
And he's also just as selfish as anybody else, to scary extremes.
Hell, the first notable thing he did in his life was to murder his own father.
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>>133149590
Its interesting what the creators did with Lelouch and Suzaku. The duality of viewpoints seems to match up with their nationalities. Lelouch as a britannian believes that leading from the front and and morally questionable methods work so long as you are prepared for the consequences. Suzaku believes that change can come from within and that the straight and narrow path will eventually yield the proper result. The anime doesn't favor Lelouch's thinking so much as show the result of it, which ends up changing things for the better. In any other anime, suzaku would have been painted as the right one.
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>>133149978
Shit like that is what made S1 so good.
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>>133149945
I thought his type wasn't "The white Knight" but instead "The guy that desperately wants to be the white knight."
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>>133149840
If he hadn't done that, Japan would have been completely obliterated and any rebellion would have been impossible.
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>>133140272
What was the thing that happened after Euphemia's thing?
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>>133149409
If you're stupid, sure.
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>>133150154
But then every thing would have been ok, if they all just died in the first place there wouldn't be any 11's to mistreat.
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>>133150264
Nina, go grind a table.
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>>133150068
Is it true that S2 was a hastily written mess and not what the creators actually wanted?
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>>133149945
>That's the subversion, though.
Indeed, it is.
That's why describing him as "the good guy hero" is just plain wrong.
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>>133150351
I'm afraid I also just know the rumors. They moved the show's timeslot and apparently the tone had to change.
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>>133150438
>They moved the show's timeslot and apparently the tone had to change.
Come again? A changed timeslot on japanese programming means the show has to have a completely different tone?
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>>133149978
Suzaku is the rival character done right.
Fujos need not reply
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>>133138378
He didn't fuck
>C.C.
>Kallen
>Nunnally
>Euphemia
>Cornelia
>Anya
>Kaguya
>Shirley
>Millay

Nor did he git gud. How on earth did he expect to fight Britannia while being so pathetically unfit?
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>>133149192

Suzaku ruined the life of his family, friends, nation and basically anyone that came close to him. Also directly and indirectly genociding millions.

He is THE betrayer: Japan, Lelouch, Britannia, etc.
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>>133150511
The audience changes, anon. A late-at-night show isn't supposed to be watched by kiddies. You can't air Qwaser at the same time as Pretty Cure.
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>G-Ai-Ass

Lelouche Lamperouge falls in love with Suzaku Kururugi.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the Geass and Suzaku's phone number from C.C. Never minding the strange area code, the Britannian immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to Spinzaku, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the boy he called is not the same boy he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is the Honorary Britanian's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with Rurushu's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of JIBUN WO.
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>>133150642
I suppose. Still, wonder what the intended S2 was suppose to be.
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>>133150344
Honestly that table was pretty painful looking. I mean who uses a sharp corner?
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>>133138378
He put up a trip and started shitposting on 4chan.
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>>133150734
an autist who doesn't know what fingers are.
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>>133150596

I never found anything gay about them actually. Most of the anime they despised each other.

Now Rolo and Schneizel on the other hand...
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>>133150734
The more the better.
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>>133149978

That Geass didn't go NIPPON STRONG makes it pretty special.

>Japan is conquered by an evil empire of baka gaijins
>The MC will be the leader of the rebellion

With that premise in a usual anime one can see the folded steel swords cutting through tanks already.
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>>133150825
Why don't you watch the sceen again you fuck. She used the tables corner while holding the sides of the table with both hands.
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>>133150734
>I mean who uses a sharp corner?
I think it's a japanese thing, I've seen it in VNs and hentai as well.
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>>133150999
That's another thing that impressed me. It was humbling seeing this show explore racism against the japanese in such an unfiltered way, along with making the MC a britannian and not japanese. Have any western shows even dared to portray their country under similar conditions?
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>>133150685

I want Le-epic-cell-phone-meme to die already
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You are now realizing that more than half the series was spent cleaning up the mess Lelouch created when he accidentally Geass'd Euphie into launching a massacre. And then killing her.

That was the point where EVERYTHING went wrong. Had that not happened a happy ending was well within reach and even pretty likely, even considering the fact the Emperor and his cronies were still in power. But all that went out the window just because C.C. is apparently a megacunt and decided to crank the Geass into overdrive RIGHT AT THAT EXACT MOMENT, THAT WAS NO FUCKING COINCIDENCE YOU PIZZA EATING SLUT.

But it wasn't until Shirley died that he really realized he was beyond the point of no return and fully committed to it.
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>>133151197
>Have any western shows even dared to portray their country under similar conditions?
Is that a serious question?
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>>133150628
>Family
His father? >>133150154
His cousin and uncle? They were mostly irrelevant to each other most of the show.

>friends
Lelouch deserved it, Nunally ended up happily ever after with Zerozaku and the same can be said about the SC members, Rolo is the only one at fault for Shirley's death, and Euphy's wasn't his fault at all.
Also, the closer thing to a wrong doing with the two scientists were not banging Cecille.

>nation
By killing his father, refer to this again: >>133150154

>Also directly and indirectly genociding millions.
The nuke was on the geass.
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>>133151280
>Had that not happened a happy ending was well within reach and even pretty likely
I've always wondered about this. What exactly would have happened had Lelouch's geass not gone out of control and he accepted Euphie's plan?
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>>133151348
>The nuke was on the geass.
the geass didn't make him launch with a nuke strapped to his back
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>>133150836
Me neither, but CLAMP char design and those fucking ending pannels didn't help much.
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>>133151399
Probably Charle's plan would have worked.
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>>133151405
It was supposed to be a deterrent, but Lelouch was on bitch mode and didn't listen.

But actually launching the nuke, that was all on the geass.
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>>133151614
Stop finding excuses for your fuccboi husbando.
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>>133151399

I don't really know. Euphie was pretty good at winning people over to her side, so she'd have probably gotten enough support from the upper class that the Emperor would have had to acquiesce and free Japan.

Beyond that, who knows. The whole Human Instrumentality project or whatever the fuck that was, was still going on, so conflict would have still probably broken out, but once the Emperor was dead Euphie would have probably taken/siezed the throne and dismantled greater Britannia.
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>>133149590
Oh look another retard
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>>133151699
Seriously tough, it would've detracted from the over the top nature of the show if the designs werent as over the top themselves as they were, but they probably could've done better than fucking CLAMP.

But you gotta mine those fujobucks, I suppose...
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>>133151951
>Oh look another retard
Oh look another retard
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>>133149590
I don't think you understood his character at all.
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>>133138378
He didn't have a penis
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>>133149978
>The anime doesn't favor Lelouch's thinking so much as show the result of it, which ends up changing things for the better. In any other anime, suzaku would have been painted as the right one.
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>>133152103
Thanks for your input.
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>>133152432
No you're an idiot who didn't understand the character. Wasn't an input just saying you're a fucking idiot.
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>>133152568
Thanks for your contribution.
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>>133141340
and kill table humping jew
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>>133152103
>>133151951
Why are you wasting your breath on a mindless Suzaku hater?
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>>133152157
nice argument fagtron you sure convinced me with your fucking sonic reaction image
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>>133152912
I actually like Suzaku quite a lot, I'm one of the anons defending him on this thread.

Alright, I was trying to get him to elaborate on his take of the character, but when someone just starts with the mindless insults without any purpose of discussion, I tend to disregard their opinion.
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Lelouch understood that the ends do justify the means. He was forced to face the consequences. His mistakes were occasional accidents and bad moves, but mostly him coming to terms with ever-greater ramifications. He then used his own life as a means to an end. It wasn't atonement, it was a king's gambit.
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>>133151265
>Le-epic-cell-phone-meme

I want reddit and the mindless hatred of memes to leave already.
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why he didn't fuck CC
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>>133138378
Died a virgin
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Who were more homo? Suzaku and Lelouch or L-Elf and Haruto?
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>>133149289
Suzaku and Lelouch were supposed to be based on Amuro and Char.
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>>133158162
i don't remember suzaku sucking off lulu so yeah
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>>133158162

L-Elf and Haruto by far. By the end of VVV, I couldn't buy Haruto 'loved' Shouko or any girl in particular, it just seemed a flimsy closeted excuse.

Suzaku and Lelouch never gave me the same vibe.
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>>133138378
Yes, but not nearly as much as the other faggot who sacrificed everything for his own enemy to win.
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Why rolo killed sharlie again?
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>>133158209
Someone post Clamp's Amuro.
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>>133149192
30 MILLION KILL HIGHSCORE
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>>133138378
>So I accidently told Euphie to kill all elevens...and she tried to the absolute madwoman hahahahahaha
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>>133149192
Suzaku literally fought to defend people that he himself knew to be his enemy.
He wasted all his time an potential.
Its like if a Jew who absolutely despised Hitler and what the Nazi's were doing a stood for fought to the death for the Nazi's to succeed.

"BUT I CAN STOP THEM FROM THE INSIDE!"

Yeah, look how well that worked out for you.
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