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>finally get down the rules of mahjong and start playing some.

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>finally get down the rules of mahjong and start playing some.
>it's hard enough to form my own hand let alone trying to read the tiles of three other players.
>just pray it's not the winning tile everytime i deal one.

Is it possible to be consistently good at this game without lesbian powers or Akagi's mind reading bullshit? The variance seems pretty insane.
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It's not super hard.

You should be able to identify from your opening hand what yaku you are aiming for. Possibilites for Honors, Tanyao, Flushes, and Pinfu should be apparent within the first several draws at the latest.

Defensive play isn't difficult either. If a player calls riichi ahead of you or you expect a player is in tenpai, all you need to do to play defensively is to discard anything in their discard pool and you'll be safe due to furiten. If doing so would compromise the value of your hand, you have to make a judgement call on whether to risk it or bail based on how much your hand is potentially worth vs how much you think their hand is worth. Other factors like whether you're dealer or rounds remaining in the game will obviously be considerations too.

Higher level defensive play involves learning to read suji and shit but honestly, just knowing what you can and cannot discard to a player in tenpai gets you 50% of the way there if not more. Good judgement will get you another 45%.
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Forming your own hand is nothing difficult

Memorize some simple hands and work with what you get.

You cannot read into people's hands like Akagi but you can make estimated guesses of which suit someone may be going for based off their pond. That just comes wih time.

Look up betaori/urasuji which may help you.

We have this same thread every single time. If you want to have a Akagi/Saki/Mahjong shitposting thread, why not just do so in another way than copy someone else's post?

Stupid niggers
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Once in a while luck will fuck you over or possibly help you but overall if you have a solid playing style you'll do well.
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>>133105296
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You just need to bet your life during a round
Then the next round you'll be in tenpai for a saibaiman with your starting hand
Trust me on this
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>>133104926
Just play the Saki games. Mahjong isn't fun without super powers.
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Its basically poker where
- you can't fold
- you can't bluff
- you can't slowplay
Keking at people who think there's any skill involved
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>play mahjong with some schmucks at my house
>riichi relatively early into the round, single wait, begins to get some han though doras
>doras keep coming and coming
>eventually get fucking Dora 12
>holy shit i can do this
>tile i need eventually flows out of the fucking faggot in front of me
>call ron in pure bliss
>guy next to me heads bump

I fucking hate this game.
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>>133104926
This is such an old jewish woman's game. I just can't see it anything other than that. Even after watching Kaiji/Akagi.
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Any differences between Chinese and Japanese mahjong?
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>>133106149
>Its basically poker where
Gin rummy, ftfy. Poker is a betting game, not a proper card game.
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>>133106276
>head bumping someone's Dora 12 hand
Full points if the guy didn't even reach mangan.
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>>133106149
>- you can't fold
Breaking your hand to deal a safe tile.
>- you can't bluff
Tricking your opponents with the tiles you deal.
>- you can't slowplay
Slowplaying is shit anyway.
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>>133106276
Sucks to be washizu
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Should I learn Mahjong to enjoy the other Fukumoto manga or does it still not matter like in Akagi?
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>>133106400
Yes, first and most important: the tile size.

The very basic game rules are the same (13 tiles, draw a tile or call a tile, then discard a tile, and try to finish your hand), but the rules are different.
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>>133106497
>Breaking your hand to deal a safe tile.
That does not completely prevent you into dealing into someone or just generally getting fucked by tsumo
>Tricking your opponents with the tiles you deal.
Nobody ever does that, stop watching animus
>Slowplaying is shit anyway.
Not being able to maximize your point gains in a game about gaining points is kinda gay if you ask me
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>>133106589
You can still enjoy it but you get so much more out of it if you can play the game.
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>>133106589
Mahjong as far as I know only really matters in Akagi and Ten (especially that one), arguably Kaiji part 3. You don't need it for Zero, Buraiden Gai, Kurosawa etc
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>>133106310
You may be onto something. I was reading a 60's spiderman comic and old lady's were talking about their mahjong tourny in a random panel. I guess all the old mahjong ladies died off.
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>>133106276
I thought no one plays with head bump rules anymore. Am I confusing it with something else?
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>>133106400
Chinese mahjong is more of a pain in the ass and feels like less headgames. Or maybe I'm just playing with the wrong people.
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The big majority of mangakas don't know what the fuck they are doing anyway
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>>133106664
>>133106681
Hm guess I remembered wrong that there was a few more with mahjong.

What's the best way to learn anyways? Is there a more fun way than just reading a huge blog of text, like an online game that teaches you?
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>>133107084
The best way to learn a game is always to play.
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>>133107084
This one is cool to play vs AI and take your time. It has all the yakus at the bottom too.

http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
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>>133107084
The triad subs for Akagi has a few helpers for particular terminology. FKMTkrazy made a very good tutorial for Kaiji Part 3 where they explain the basics.
But really, Mahjong is way less complicated than it appears. The great wall is mostly learning the yakus, but from there it's largely enough to enjoy most mahjong mangas. Then, you can just play the game to end up learning about various strategies and more advanced concepts.
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>2:0
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>>133107002
If there's no head bump rules though, you'd have multiple rons. Is that actually better?
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>Iipeikou right at the start.
What do I deal? The 9 Man, the 4 Pin or the Xia?
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>>133108155
4 Pin. Get rid of a tile that might come back to bite you in the ass later.
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>>133108155
Xia, 9m, or 1s. I'd go with the Xia.
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>>133107362
If he knows the guy is going for a 2-pin triplet with a 2-2-4, why would he deal the 2-pin? What makes the 1-pin or 4-pin hard to discard?
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>>133108310
He's wary of Ten's hand which was waiting on 1 and 4-pin. By letting the other guy pon on the 2 pin, the 4-pin overflowed, but Ten couldn't call on it since he was hoping for direct hits against him. That allowed Akagi to safely reach tenpai and deal 1-pin right after.
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>>133108427
Okay that makes sense.

Thanks.
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>>133108213
>>133108307
Dealt the 4 Pin, then the Xia and some other tiles that I kept drawing. I can declare a Riichi and be on a closed wait for a 2 Sou, but the problem is that my Kamicha just discarded that exact tile, so there are only three 2 Sou tiles left.
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>>133108808
Forget riichi, you're already far in the lead. Keep your tenpai, but if someone else calls riichi, play defensively. Right now you want to defend your lead for the next two rounds.
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>>133106276
That's the gayest rule. Multi Ron all the way. Losers, get fucked.
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>>133108808
Too bad you can't just get a yakupai with a south wind triplet because you'd need to draw a 1 or 3 sou to make that work.
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>>133108808
The Riichi worked out in the end! Also, looking at my pond of discarded tiles, I could have gotten a Chiitoi and won with a Tsumo.

>>133108891
Thanks Anon, this is the kind of insight that I need. Everytime I get into tenpai I declare Riichi like an idiot. It works against the AI but if I ever play for real I have a feeling I'll get demolished.
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>>133104926
3.0
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>Lose dealer position after 1.5 wins
>Fail to finish an open tanyao
>Ruin the tanyao to desperately scramble to get into tenpai before round is ever
>Get a ron on the very last discard
I....I....what? I didn't think I had any yakus in my pathetically shitty hand.
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>>133110091
You didn't, you lucked into a Haitei.
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>>133110091
http://arcturus.su/wiki/Houtei_raoyui
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>>133110091
I didn't get a ron out of Smith hoping to get him some point, but you still killed him next round
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>>133110278
I mean ''giving him some point''
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>>133109246
back to 2.0
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>>133110471
3.0, let's do it
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>>133110471
3:0 get in here
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I wasn't even aiming for Smith. He just kept dealing into my stupid hands.

Take this earlier hand for instance. I was so excited at the thought of having a first-turn riichi that I just declared riichi without a second thought, and only discarded the 8-pin instead of the 4-pin thinking that it'd be cool to win with a red 5-pin.

I spent most of that hand just fretting and worrying that somebody was going to beat my shit in because my 5-pin wait became too obvious until Smith just gave me the red 5-pin. I think I used up most of my luck on that game with hands like this one and the haitei. I'm probably going to take Smith's place next round if we get another game going.

I don't even know what that first line above the tanyao line is about.
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>>133110471
damn, so close

why sometimes it say there are 7 people in line when only 3 are waiting in the room?
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>>133108808
4p was a mistake. Rather than locking yourself into iipeikou, the double south is worth almost as much while also being much faster. When you've got a lead like that, speed is far more important than value.

>>133110713
Double riichi.
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>>133110728
You can be in the lobby without being queued for a game.
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>>133110713
First turn riichi has twice the value.
I take it you've never seen Saki.
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>>133110749
Well that explains why there wasn't a riichi line.

>>133110934
It's been a few years. I don't remember any hands from what I watched back when I first started learning. I am due for a rewatch.
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I play with the Flow. Get fucked SOA fags.
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>>133111287
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How can i join this mahjong games you guys play?
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>>133111591
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
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>>133106276
I've had someone headbump my kokushi musou for a riichi-only hell wait on ton
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>>133111591
>>133111793
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/
And documentation.
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Welp, I got destroyed.
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>first san-an-kou in ages
>only 1500 points
FML
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>>133104926
That 24000

insane, this game is insane
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I prefer closed hands in the endgame but that was too good to pass up
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>>133111855
>open kan on an honor tile that's worth zero yaku
>three open groups for a hand not even worth mangan
>dealing the dora when it's the middle of the game, it could fit into your hand, and there are no others on the table

You deserved to lose.
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>>133111855
>gave him the kandora
Mahjong is suffering.
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Get back in 7447 faggots. What's with the resurgence of Mahjong threads lately?
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>>133111855
>discarding dora tiles
I could've been fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrst.

>implying somebody would've given me my 58-man wait
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>>133112181
>calls threaten honitsu
>tanyao only
I love it.
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>>133112127
Mahjong is fun.
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>>133112127
I don't know, but I'm glad I decided to learn the game recently.
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>suuankou
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Ok that worked better
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>>133112599
inb4 you still job
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>>133112599
>mfw I was waiting on those 4 pins
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>>133112599
nah, i was killed before that
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Well that didn't take long
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>>133112599
how many of those were in your starting hand?
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sano you kek
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>tfw everybody seems to be gunning for a tanyao
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>>133112749
I think I had 3 pair, had 5 pair at one point, then started hitting sets. Decided fuck it when I hit a second set and went for the Yakuman.
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>>133112127
>Akagi shenanigans in full speed
>HERO translations picked up again
>Koizumi translations picked up again

We're in the golden age of mahjong manga here.
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>>133112892
It is the essence of mahjong after all.
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>>133112876

>implying it wasnt part of my plan
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>>133112948
>not Chanta
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>>133104926
>mfw just came back from reading The legend of Koizumi

What the fuck /a/?
my brain wasnt ready for that.
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>>133112981
Akagi pls go
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>>133112749
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>Killing a man for second place.
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>>133113050
What the fuck, he made suuankou from that?
Kanna was right about mahjong.
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>>133113050
Wow that's even worse than I remembered.
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>>133104926
>tfw you beat solid players with the classic shitty 1 honor hell wait for the pair

the greatest feeling
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>>133112936
I'm just happy to have a lot of people to play with in 7447.
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>kans a 9pin on the first discard of the round
It's mind-boggling.
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>>133113624
Saki taught me that kanning is winning
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>>133113142

>tfw 'The Flow' comes to you
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>playing solid simple mahjong
>guy next to me keeps avoiding most of my stuff and never gives me anything
>decide to play weird hands so I'm not as easy to read
>guy starts discarding things that make no sense.
>we're both now playing silly mahjong just because one of us decided to change things

I fucking love mahjong.
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>mfw winning a game by getting a tsumo from a riichi'd closed 2sou wait that led to 2 uradora and then quickly going to betaori till the end
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>>133113624

I wish I could play Tenhou without my brain going haywire. I don't know what it is about adding a timer to my discards that makes me lose all powers of reason.
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>>133114397
>betaori till the end
Fucking tryhards
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>game starts
>internet drops
>client bugs out, forces a page refresh and the game is completely dropped

Well, no more tenhou tonight.
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>>133114397
>betaori
>not alphaori
Fag. :^)
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>>133114405
Still, calling a kan on the first turn on a discard is quite irrational.

>>133114429
Stay mad faggot.
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>>133114468
It's okay, your drop-bot self is only in third place.
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>>133104926
>didn't get a dora in both East-sud matches, still managed a 2 place somehow
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3:8
Get in here
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>another haitei
I'm on a roll today. Not counting that honitsu that put me in last place from the start.
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>>133114932
>knowing all the terms
what a nerd
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>>133114397

I love how whenever anyone describes a Mahjong hand it just sounds like the Uchiha Madara pasta. It's funny every time.
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>>133114800
Can someone explain me what is 3:0/2:0/3:8?
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>>133114978
Exactly what I aimed for, to make it sound so fucking esoteric.
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>>133114983
Players in queue:Players in game
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>see thread
>join tenhou game in 0000
>dealer begins with double riichi
>hand has 9 honors + terminals
LMAO
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Should've discarded the 5-man but I wanted to keep the potential of swapping it out with for a red 5-man alive. Mistake probably cost me my comeback.
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>Riichi and throw out 7-sou
>Tsumo on 7-sou next draw

What.
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>>133115733

don't worry

I was laughing when I did that too

because if I didn't get that 7 back, I wouldn't have been able to get a win off someone else's discard
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>>133115733
>>133115809
Did you have to throw out that 7-sou? Why not throw out some other tile so you're not in furiten?
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>>133104926
very close battle for second place, still pretty fun even by losing
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>>133115919

I riichi'd when I shouldn't have and didn't have much time to choose something that wouldn't leave me in furiten somehow.

But I guess I ended up making the right choice after all.
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These are my favorite threads on /a/
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>>133116036
Wasn't that hand completed after the closed kan? Why couldn't you tsumo on the 2-sou?
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>>133116246

I thought so too that I had a complete hand after the closed kan but I guess not

or I didn't notice there was a tsumo opportunity along with the riichi(does this even happen?)
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>>133104926
Some autist from /jp/ was playing in the world championships last year. I can't imagine that it would be too hard as long as you put some effort into it.
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>Dealer riichis
>South declares a closed kan
>West calls a kan
>Deals into double ron for me and dealer

It's like riichi is code for "reveal more doras".
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>>133117200
And it didn't work. I was trying to scare people off which didn't really work apparently.

Also
>44k
>2nd place
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>>133117356
it's almost 6 around here , I almost fall asleep 2 times during this match
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>>133117356
Also, I wasn't expecting anyone to actually deal a 5 there. The riichi was to hit haneman and just hope I could hit an uradora for baiman.
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>>133117356
I've been in 2nd place all goddamn night.
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>>133117427
>tfw playing a long match late at night to relax before bed
>some faggot keeps discarding into the dealer's hand
>finally get into the sound round
>it happens all over again
>a quick game before bed that should've taken 30 minutes ends up taking 90
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>>133117522
>playing mahjong before bed to relax
Rookie mistake.
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>>133117445
>Also, I wasn't expecting anyone to actually deal a 5 there.
I was personally waiting on your red 5-sou so I could get an extra yaku for my cheap open tanyao san-shoku-dou-jun which was 2 yaku by itself. I still have zero understanding of scoring but I think that if he dealt a red 5, the two extra doras from the kans would've gotten my hand into mangan territory.

It's pretty amusing how it happened too. The 5-sou he drew from the kan was the one he immediately discarded into the double ron. The extra dora was too good to pass up for him I guess.
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>>133118063
I had a san-shoku-dou-jun and the second kan's dora reveal wasn't on the screenshot.

Wouldn't the extra red yaku get me 5 han total, thus becoming a mangan?
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>>133118199
4 is a mangan with anything but a closed tsumo pin fu. I missed the San-Shoku-Dou-Jun because I'm an idiot and that's why I deleted it.
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>>133117751
I was trying for rinshan kaihou which would have put the hand to haneman.
>>133118199
4 han/30 fu is 7700 so the extra yaku is only worth 300 points.
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>>133118612
Rinshan? On what? You were still iishanten.
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>>133118687
Oh fuck me nevermind, I read 4sou as a 3sou.
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WELP

So many high value hands that game.
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>>133118811

I don't think I've ever gotten into the 70K point range before, at least not without landing a yakuman
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>>133118912
I've steamrolled scrubs before (if you get on a long tsumo roll your score will skyrocket without knocking anyone out), but what I meant was all day there have been people taking cheap stand alone tanyao. Almost every hand that match was a mangan or higher.
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I've always wondered, why 7447? Does that number mean anything?
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Sorry for sucking.

After the first couple hands, I lost all hope.

Dealing that 6-pin dora at the end was an unintentional mistake though.
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>>133118970
>long tsumo rolls
Those are the best. Especially when someone calls on a tile and causes it.

Also, the most I've seen before was one guy with +100k points after he quietly back to back tsumo'd 24k and 32k point hands. That was also the first time I'd seen second place end up in the negatives.
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>all these weeaboo terms
what the fuck is this shit game
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>>133115060
Thanks
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You guys like Tetsuya right?
Was Boshu based on this character here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbmLULRRTg
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>>133119607
Step it up, onee-chan.
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>>133120642
literally how I see mahjong
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>11 people waiting
>3:0
What is this bullshit
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>>133106149
You can keep dealing safe tiles, which is the same as folding.
You actually can pretend that you're in open tenpai fairly easily, not that that does you any good.
Going slow is silly.
You can shit out those low value hands quickly. though.
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>>133122701
>You actually can pretend that you're in open tenpai fairly easily, not that that does you any good.
At least in my head, everyone is afraid.
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>>133104926
>it's hard enough to form my own hand let alone trying to read the tiles of three other players.
Tile reads are only somewhat important against open hands, and even then it doesn't compare to Suji. Mahjong isn't a psychological game like poker, the most important thing is to chose when to play offensively and when to play defensively. Here is a reall good guide on what to do when playing against a riichi.
http://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/
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>>133122764
It doesn't actually do anything, but it makes you feel really cool and mindgame-y
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>yfw you finally got your first kokushi
:')
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>>133122934
>riichi
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>>133123001
yeah, I fucked up and accidentally pressed that button, though the outcome didn't change
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Can anyone tell me why this isn't Suu-An-Kou?
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>>133123074
>If the hand has two pairs left when it is one tile away from winning, it can only qualify with a tile drawn off the wall as a yakuman hand.
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>>133123074
You only have three concealed triplets. The last one is open since you won by ron.
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>>133123074
To get a suuankou with a two tile wait, you must win by tsumo, not ron
If it's a single tile wait, both tsumo and ron are okay
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>>133123074
because all four triples must be made by yourself. In other words, if you do ron for the last triple tile, it would be トイトイ+三暗刻. If you wanted 四暗刻, then you would have to ツモ or do ron for the last pair tile
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>>133123128
>>133123143
>>133123144
Ah, thanks. Seems like I need to check the rules for specifics hands again.
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>>133123177
Why do you have ron in English but everything else in moon?
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>>133122934
>:')
Don't do that.
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>>133123214
>because all four triples must be made by yourself. In other words, if you do ロン for the last triple tile, it would be トイトイ+三暗刻. If you wanted 四暗刻, then you would have to ツモ or do ロン for the last pair tile
better?
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>>133123001
That's how I roll.
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>>133123001
>he doesn't riichi his yakuman hands
Do you even gamburu?
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>>133123344
>everyone tossed South tile in that first turn
>no fucks given
>self-draw the 4th tile
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>>133123410
It's probably because everyone dropped South so early that he was sure to riichi. After all if anyone got South at that point they would discard it right away.
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>>133123447
there's the dead wall to consider though, which is 14 unusable tiles. but yeah, someone might have dealt it in if they didn't notice the lack of terminals in the player's pool.
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>>133123520
>but yeah, someone might have dealt it in if they didn't notice the lack of terminals in the player's pool.
Let's be honest here, how many times are you going to look at an honourless pool and think "This bastard has a kokushi musou"?
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>>133123663
>this could be you
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>Rinshan Kaihou
You have got to be shitting me.
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>Choice between 2 closed waits
>Pick wrong
>Literally feel the flow being ripped from me
>Kan
>Rinshan Kaihou

I even passed up a win on the last hand that would have killed the 100 points guy, but at least I came in second.
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>>133123834
I was wondering why I wasn't dealing in
After that rinshan my drive completely disappeared
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>>133123894
My first thought was "industrial grade bullshit," but I was still laughing because it was the kind of thing that everyone wants to do. You shouldn't lose your motivation over something that funny.
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>>133104926
>without lesbian powers or Akagi's mind reading bullshit?
You need the luck of a destined world leader.
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>>133124030
100 points in South 3 is a bit hard to come back from, especially when your hand looks like this
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Anyone have actually won with Tenhou yakuman?

Also, what's so great about Rinshan?
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>>133124153
It's a very rare yaku, and is Saki's signature yaku, so it's always fun to see it.
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>>133104926
Just practise. Reading others' discards (and fast at that) comes naturally. If you play on tenhou, you can also check replays to see how really good players play.
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>>133124153
Rinshan requires you to be at tenpai and kan one suit in hope that you get the winning tile off the dead wall. It is the only way that you can obtain a playable tile off it, giving it the moniker "picking up the flower on top of the hill". Saki is considered a demon because of it.
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>>133108155
Play the west wind nigger.
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there should be another dora indicator, kan was made after all, why its lacking ?
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>>133124315
this post refers to
>>133124219
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>>133124153
>Anyone have actually won with Tenhou yakuman?
I've never seen this happen. But once I got a kazoe yakuman with 15 han.

>Also, what's so great about Rinshan?
Additional han + dora + uradora if you declared riichi. Pic related.
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>>133112936
couldn't agree more
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>>133124315
>>133124323
Ah, good question. I have no idea. I've been playing mahjong for a few years, but mostly online, so I don't usually need to count things.
In this pic >>133124330 the second dora is there and the only difference is that the hand is closed, so maybe that has something to do with dora on rinshan tsumo.
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>>133124315
On Tenhou, you reveal the new dora before you discard when you make a closed kan. With an open kan, you reveal the new dora after the discard.
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>>>/jp/
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Is it worth trying to memorize all the yaku and yakuman if you're a beginner? Or just the common ones?

Also does this yakuza stuff in Ten have any basis in reality?
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>>133124602
Yes. Knowing the yaku is very important in mahjong.

Which yakuza stuff?
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>>133124602
yaku, yes. yakuman, not so much.
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>Akagi
HOW MANY YEARS
HOW MANY FUCKING YEARS, /a/?
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>>133124710
Do you think all the mahjong mangaka have an agreement to drag their series out for as long as possible?
Or was it something they independently decided?
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>>133112936
>Koizumi picked up again
Hell yeah nigga, have a best girl while I catch up.
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>>133124644
My memory is fuzzy but the main opponents were yakuza (not really, but a similar kind of criminal organization) that controlled a lot of the mahjong parlors and good rep players. The whole premise of the huge final battle was to decide how rep players got divided between East and West Japan gangs.
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That dual riichi hell on the first hand of the dealer turn had me sweating bullets while I was trying to keep my tenpai. I was confused when I couldn't ron on an earlier tile, but while wading through furitens, I finally stumbled upon a tsumo. Nerve-rackingly good game.
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>>133107574
It's way more fun.
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Is Saki good enough to justify learning this game just to watch it?
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>>133124989
You don't need to know the game to enjoy it, but it helps.
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>>133104926
5d here.
hand completion is the simplest thing in the world
defense is more difficult
reading discards is the most valuable skill. get good at it.
most points i get is by making other (skiiled) players discard what i want. ie I MAKE THEM GIVE ME MY TILE
haha
like 40% or so of that is traps built on conventional defense too.
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>>133106400
5d again
chinese style literally makes me sick
everyone just goes for high scoring hands, the scoring cut off as such is higher.
i have literally never dealt in once to a player coming from chinese style.
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TILE EFFICIENCY

LEARN YOUR TILE EFFICIENCY NIGGAS
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>>133125042
>5d here.
Post your stats.
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>>133124989
Watch Saki first and if you like it, go learn mahjong
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Where is Mr. Zen's one in a lifetime hand
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someone post that Saki/Akagi mspaint comic for >>133124989.
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[FREE SEX BUTTON]
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>>133125140
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>>133125193
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>>133125193
>>133125209
Thanks.
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Ah there we go.

Mr. Zen's Symmetrical Chinrotou Suukantsu
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>>133125368
Holy fuck.
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>>133125209
>>133125095
>>133125017

That's it then, I'll learn this shit and watch Saki afterwards. I usually get bored while rewatching chinese cartoons so I guess that learning beforehand would make me enjoy the anime more than watching it first.
Thanks, anons.
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Fuck you guys
I'm chinese, play this every family gathering and I don't know what you guys are talking about
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>>133125482
Because it uses different terminology and different rules.
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>>133125482
Chinese mahjong = shitty luck-based game
Riichi mahjong = totally fair skill-based game where you don't play to win, but play not to lose
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lightweights.
take me higher.
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>Uni has a mahjong club
>HK rule only.

>>133125482
Fuck you cibai. Go home.
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>>133125482
>>133125570
>>133125581
Are the main rules actually different between chinese and japanese mahjong? It's the same tile set, it's mostly the same yakus, only difference I could think of would be stuff like house rules, lack of riichi rules, and scoring values.
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>>133125581
>skill-based game
>mahjong
Prfffffffffffffffffffffffrt
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>>133125482
>playing Chinese mahjong where it is entirely based on luck and has 80+ combinations where most of them will never come out
>not playing riichi mahjong master race where it is based on strategy and has the element of thrill when someone does riichi or when you have a lot of doras
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>>133125193
>his nose gone full Fukumoto
Every time.
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>>133125775
Discard wall is a big one I think.
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>>133125635
>Entire state
>Only HK mahjong
>managed to find the one other person in the state who plays riichi
>trying to brainwash my friends into playing
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>>133125775
The difference is massive, Chinese Mahjong doesn't have Yaku. The scoring is completely different, as are payments.
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>>133125821
What is Suji, betaori, kabe
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>>133125821
>I can't play therefore it must be a luck game
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>>133125775
Pretty sure there's no riichi, no pond, and no furiten.
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>>133125461
watch Akagi first; it's more analytical in nature and better than Saki
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1:0
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>>133106276
Washizu get out of 4chan
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>>133125976
It has no yuri, though. Why else would anyone want to watch tedious chinese dominos?
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Have you ever witnessed pain?
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012071323gm-0009-7833-xa0d19f28f26e&tw=0&ts=6
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>>133126030
Saki is the glob of frosting and fondant on top of the cake that only fat people and anorexics love (because only fat people can stomach fondant and anorexics won't stop talking about how the fondant is prettier than they are).

Akagi is the glorious sponge cake and buttercream layers under the sugary shit. You eat that part of the cake first and then if you want diabetes, you eat the top layers afterwards.
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>>133126066
Wow.
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>>133126066
I don't see anything special
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009031603gm-0009-0000-x70eba68d783e&tw=2
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>>133126135
What the fuck?
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>>133120476
That is Boshu. It's a live action adaptation of the Asada Tetsuya books.
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>>133126135
It's like something out of the Twilight Zone
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I guess no-one wants to play.
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>>133126180
>>133126289
I don't get it.
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>>133126392
The discards of the person on the right.
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>>133126419
Oh.

What about this hand? What's going on here?
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>>133106276
you fucking looser, I don't have an anime girl smug enough for this
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>>133126451
Seems to be Nagashi Mangan
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>>133126451
Nagashi Mangan.
http://arcturus.su/wiki/Nagashi_mangan
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>>133126497
>>133126499
Can't tell because of the lack of discards but okay.
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>>133126297
I'll get on in a couple minutes.
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>>133114978
jesus christ anon, I had to step out of the uni class out of how much that made me laugh
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>>133126297
>>133126543
I joined, 3:0 now.
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>>133126562
>>133126543
RIP Stoike.
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>>133126451
http://arcturus.su/crap/c/nagashibot+-theory.html
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Alright I'm home, let's do this.

>1:4
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>Honour Dora in opening hand
>Discard first turn because fuck Yakuhai Dora 3
>Immediately draw a pair of it right after
Every time
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Fuck you buddy.
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>>133126757
And I made it back. Comp didn't make the match ticking noises for some reason while I was tabbed out.
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Son of a bitch!

>>133126757
Motherfucking miracle rush.
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>>133119607
>>133120642
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>>133127143
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>>133127173
>left-to-right
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>>133127120
Nice game, m8s.

I wouldn't recommend opening your hands for a Kan in most situations btw. Having a closed hand is usually worth MUCH more than what an open kan gives over a closed triplet.
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>give up on playing mahjong seriously, because the luck factor is too big
>suddenly start winning
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>>133127294
You don't quit mahjong. Mahjong quits you.
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>>133127294
>playing mahjong seriously
>the luck factor is too big
Obviously you weren't serious enough.
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I thought Mahjong was the game where you match the tiles with equal patterns and uncover a picture of a cute cat.
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>>133122934
In Kokushi Musou you can have multiples of the same tiles? Shit I had no idea.
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>>133127486
I didn't quit, I just stopped being such a triyhard.

>>133127514
>reading guides, strategies, mahjong riddles etc. all day
>lose anyway because I'm east when big hands are tsumoed
I was mad as fuck.

Situation improved a lot when I just stopped giving a fuck and played however I wanted.
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>>133127556
That's mahjong solitaire. In other words "I thought Poker was the game where you pile cards alternating colors to make a million decks bounce across the screen".

>>133127589
You need one duplicate to be the fourteenth tile. Most often it's in the hand before winning. If you have 13 different tiles and no pair, it's a 13-sided wait.
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>>133127648
And how many times have you tsumo'd a big hand when somebody else was dealer? These things happen a lot. If you think that's the only reason you lost, you either haven't played enough or you're not good enough.
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>>133127784
If you end up last place, even though you haen't dealt in then it's just bad luck, plain and simple.

Also that's been in the past. I've embraced the luck based nature of the game and am winning much more often as a result. Currently on a 3 game winstreak.
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>>133127848
>If you end up last place, even though you haen't dealt in then it's just bad luck, plain and simple.
That's not true. You may have been folding hands you should've pushed, or maybe your tile efficiency sucks. If you blame the flow for all your losses, you'll never improve.
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>>133127848
It could also be overdefensiveness. And there are butterly effecting mistakes too. For example, you discard the wrong tile, which then gets called, which then makes you miss drawing a key tile, costing you a good hand.
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>>133127848
You have to believe in the flow anon.

>>133127892
>>133127951
When you're playing short games on Tenhou the effect of variance in draws and stuff is much higher. Of course if he improves his play he'll see a better success rate, but it can definitely demoralizing to lose a set because of bad draws.
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>>133127892
>>133127951
Either way, I haven't been winning games when I still was a tryhard and treated each game like a live or death thing.
Now that I approach them casually I win much more frequently.

>>133128047
And now I do.
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>2nd place streak resumes thanks to endless tsumo rolls and slightly more defensive play
I can't tell if the tsumo roller is just lucky or somehow knows how to go into tenpai faster than everyone else.
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>Get into tenpai for a chitoitsu with 5 aka dora waiting on a 5 sou
>Stay silent to ensure maximum likelihood of the 5 coming out
>Opponent tsumos a riichi chitoitsu waiting for the same tile
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>>133128588
oh and
>be dealer
>have to pay double
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>got last place 3 times in a row
Time to read up on tile efficiency.
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>>133128588
It's important to pick your waits carefully, especially with chiitoitsu. Middle tiles are more likely to be used up in other people's hands, so you're less likely to win with them.
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>>133128534
Which game, last or second last?
Second last was insane with I think (4?) ippatsu by the same player, which is obviously very lucky.
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>>133128588
I only see three akadora there anon. I do love going for chiitiotsu, even though I know I probably shouldn't. I was really glad I picked that up, though I was kinda hoping someone would drop the aka dora.
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>>133128657
Yes, but it was an aka dora. The difference is usually not that high that you should throw away an aka dora to wait on an 8 or something.
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>>133128687
Fuck probability, just ride the flow man.
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>>133128687
That question looks intentionally vague, but the simple interpretation would be 1-(130 Choose 12)/(134 Choose 12) =~ 31.6%
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>>133128690
I meant 2 aka dora, the third wasn't mine after all.
I would only actively go for chitoitsu with 5 pairs, but it tends to develope from other hands by chance quite often.
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>>133128822
14 tiles go to the dead wall, and 39 to the opponent's starting hands. They get to draw as well.
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>>133128588
but could you defeat madara?
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>>133128880
That doesn't matter here, since you only get your starting hand. Where the tiles you don't get go doesn't change the probability.
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>>133127173
even a monkey can draw manga is a fucking masterpiece
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>>133128867
Imagine if one of the others had dropped the 5s. It would've been beautiful. Game would've ended though.
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>>133129000
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Why is the game telling me I'm in furiten? Is it because of the 3-sou in the discard pool? I didn't think it'd count as furiten because drawing the 3-sou or 6-sou wouldn't have let me win.
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>>133129025
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>>133128687
>only thinking of mahjong with the numbers you pull out of your ass

Fucking disgusting. Get these casuals out of here.
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>>133129036
3-sou would let you win using 4s as your pair. Sorry to tell you.
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>>133129060
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>>133125482
Glorious Riichi Mahjong > shitty chink and gook variants
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>>133129081
But the hand has no yaku though.
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>>133129010
>Double ron into a baiman and a dealer mangan
>Both are chitoitsu
Could be from Saki.
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>>133129126
Read the goddamn rules.
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>>133129126
Doesn't matter. As long as any tile in your discard pile could complete your hand (as in having 4 sets and one pair) regardless of Yaku you are furiten.
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>>133129089
>blank card in a deck
You do?
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>>133129178
Okay if completion is what matters, that makes sense. >>133129081 made it sound like the 3-sou could get me a win.
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>3:0
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>>133127658
>thirteen sided wait

shit nigga, what are the chances?
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>>133129279
>0:4
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>>133129244
not that I've heard of
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>tfw i just riichi at the first opportunity and cross my fingers.
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>>133128822
Wouldn't it be a 29-combination since you get 17 draws?
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>>133129403
I riichi on retarded hell-waits so I can feel like a character from a mahjong manga.
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>>133129403
>build up a great hand
>get excited and riichi immediately without thinking
>look at wall
>tfw only 3 draws left
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>>133129499
>I riichi on retarded hell-waits so I can feel like a character from a mahjong manga.
Yep. I don't even care about winning anymore, just try to gather a cool hand once in a while to surprise everyone.
FKMT made me retarded.
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>>133129586
DELICIOUS
FREE
SEX
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>>133129499
>intentionally lower the value of my hand so I can pick an unorthodox wait and surprise my opponent
>it works
>remember i'm 30 000 points behind 1st
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>>133129818
hah
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>>133129818
Should have followed the flow.
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>>133129480
Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. How many draws you get is itself up to chance, though. I'll use 18 as the average. 1-(130 Choose 30)/(134 Choose 30) =~ 64.2%
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>>133129089
Holy fuck that's good.
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>get hit with a baiman
>start to feel the sand under my feet pulling me down
>my next starting hand is completely worthless
>the world is conspiring against me
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>>133130017
>start to feel the sand under my feet pulling me down
It's the magical sand from the depths of hell.
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>>133104926
stop calling kan when someone is already in riichi
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>>133130088
But kan is tanoshii.
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This is a retarded question, but why exactly am I in furiten here? I was in tenpai when the toimen discarded 1-sou but I couldn't declare ron off of it.
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>>133104926
that chun


i was waiting all game for that
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>>133130261
Temporary furiten still counts if you can't ron.
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>>133130261
No Han you nincompoop. That 6-Man destroys your chanta.
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>>133130311
I didn't go into furiten until that guy played the 1-sou. I don't get it.
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>>133130261
Refer to the chart, faggot.
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>>133130341
>>133130393
You're right, I thought I still had chanta. It's time to take a break.
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>mfw doubles just keep coming in my hand
This is my biggest problem. They always come to me and I feel like I should keep them, but result is always bad.
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>>133130507
Read a tile efficiency guide for fuck's sake.
All the ones I've looked at online specifically warn beginners about keeping too many pairs in their hand rather than taking them apart.
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>>133130068
It's the magical sand from the beach of Sakisland.
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>>133130258
Just because you kan doesn't mean you should.
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>>133130677
Who makes these kind of puns? Ron Weasley?
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>>133130700
I have the penchan to do just that. They just come in sequence honestly.
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>>133130677
I always kan wherever there's a chance. I even got sankantsu like 3 times.
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>>133130677
>>133130764
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>>133130842
Well I kanchan ge myself if you want, but now I'm in a little bit tight position myself.
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Well, who would win?
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do we have a Mahjong pastebin or something
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>>133130935
akagi can call kaiji for help, and if they bet their life on it they have already won
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>>133125904
>riichi mahjong gatherings
>too afraid to go to them because I can't count fu and thus hands below mangan to save my life
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>>133130935
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>>133126079
>he eats his cake horizontally
You eat both the icing, the cream, the sponge cake and the strawberry at the same time in small parts.
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>>133131034
>we'll never have a full Koizumi anime
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>>133131034
Is kokushi 13-way wait the only double yakuman?
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>>133131158
Chuuren 9-way and Suuankou Tanki are just as double, and Daisuushi even more so. Which count as doubles depends on the ruleset.
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>>133131158
>>133131226
And you can always go >>133125368
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>>133131102
They made a few episodes just never finished sadly
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>You will never have a chinitsu, toitoi, sanankou, sankantsu, aka ichi, rinshan kaihou
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>>133131396
It wasn't even the actual manga plot, just an OVA original plot about Koizumi fighting the Chinese.
I wanted at least to see him vs the Pope, damnit.
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>>133131007
It's fine, other guys will count that shit for you. I still can't count them and I've been to countless gatherings, nobody even noticed that I can't count.
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>>133107020
am i reading these rules wrong. or is there literally no reason to keep your hand closed.

seems to me you would just call any tiles you want.
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>>133131528
Not that guy but I've been wondering, do they use calculators or do they do everything mentally?
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>>133131574
Most guys use a cheat sheet, veterans count mentally.
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>>133131650
Veterans remember the scores.
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>>133131416
Other yaku are hard for sure, but I got toitoi multiple times but every one of them was me giving up on gettin chiitoitsu
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>0:0
What is this?
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>>133132180
last 16 hours was almost a continous play. Never seen something like that
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God damn it. If only I wasn't such a flow ignoring retard
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1:4

y-you too
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>winning off a hell wait
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Kan means fun!
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>do nothing except get my ass into furiten the entire time
>get one big hand i don't even know what was
>stay in first the rest of the game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>133131695
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>1:4
Everybody, get in here.
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>>133106647
Dude, suji traps are legit.
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Is this the most autistic game on the planet?
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>>133106647
>>Not being able to maximize your point gains in a game about gaining points is kinda gay if you ask me
Riichi mahjong is not a game about gaining points yourself.
It's about trying to make the other guy gain as little as possible.
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>>133135154
Most autistic games are Minecraft and almost every MMO.
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>>133104926
Shit like that comes from experience. Just play more and git gud
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>no matter how unlucky you are, at least you will never accidentally riichi with your winning tile.
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>>133136060
You can still win by Tsumo!
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>>133136086

look at the pond
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>>133136060
>>133126066
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>>133126066
>He will never have a chance for tenhou ever again.
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>>133126066
>not at least learning the kana so you know which button is tsumo
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>>133138011
It was probably an accident tho...
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>>133111812
I refuse to believe that happened. Not because I think you're lying, but to help myself sleep at night.
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Does this game look more complicated than it actually is? I want to try it but not if I need to memorize tiles and winning hands for a full month before I can start.
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>>133139561
Learning the rules is pretty easy. You can memorize only the ~5 most common yaku at the start and then learn additional ones with more games.
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>>133139561
You can start playing with a cheat sheet of yakus in a couple of hours.
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>>133139673
All a beginner needs are Riichi, Yakuhai, and Tanyao. If it's EMA, you don't need Tanyao either!
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>>133130393
There should be a branch going from "Yes" to "ur a faget" saying "DORA ISN'T A YAKU"
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I personally learnt the yaku with this website, it's really clearly explained :
http://www.japanesemahjong.net/mahjong-rules/yaku/
I basically opened this in an other tab and tried to do the hands listed while playing the flash game.
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Has anyone been playing Minefield Mahjong? I got back into it after my 5th reread of Kaiji's Mahjong arc. It's nice because it's really hard to get together enough people for a full game in real life. There's that flash version too, which isn't half bad.
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>>133130261
>why exactly am I in furiten here? I was in tenpai when the toimen discarded 1-sou but I couldn't declare ron off of it
What the fuck am I gambling?
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>>133140988
There's also an East-Mahjongwin game with AI and optional superpowers, but I have no idea where to get it. The boss of FKMTkrazy translated it so maybe as him.
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>>133141134
>tfw going into betaori and breaking up your isshanten hand when it's obvious your shimocha is in tenpai
>he changes his wait into ryanmen and baits you into dealing into his sanbaiman
You know what I mean?
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>tfw on top
>not even a direct hit sanbaiman will take me away from first
>get cocky and stop using betaori
>accidentally deal into a counted yakuman
>mfw
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>double riichi on last round

just what is this rigged game
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>>133141848
where you playing irl?
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>>133141848
And a tsumo into baiman.
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>>133141889
On tenhou. Been messing around in tenhou.
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>>133141721
Do you even FKMT? Rule number one is you never let your guard down in ganburu.
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>>133141848
That's me...
Really crazy man.
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>>133141972
forgot pic
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>>133141972
I was Smith. I've been playing like shit cause my cantonese mahjong habits are coming to play. Just never back down from attacking.
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>>133141848
There was this one game where I had almost 80k points, declared double riichi, and tsumo'd a baiman to bust the dealer out.
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>>133104926
2.4

come on guys
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Any good mahjong apps for android? Saki looked like shit
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>>133142393
I use Tenho G. It also has a practice mode for counting fu, which is pretty useful.
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we 3:4 now
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can someony pls explain what that means?
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>>133142830

TL: No multiplier
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>>133142830
no yaku
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>>133142830
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>>133142883
What is a yaku? How do I get a yaku?
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>>133142957
Scroll down to the bottom of the screen.
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>>133142957
You have three options:
1. Become a cute lesbian and play the game with other cute lesbians
2. Gamble with your life at stake
3. Become a high ranking politician or someone with a similiar position and gamble to settle international affairs
If you do one of these you are considered to have "Yaku" and are eligible to win mahjong games.
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>>133141721
>Facebook
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>>133143498
>not grabbing first best from google images
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>>133143135
So there is no yaku with so many chi/pon as i had, right?
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>>133143613
There are yaku that are valid when you have so many calls, but your hand had none.
Looking at your hand, you could have gone for yakuhai (triplet of any of the honors) or tanyao (no honors or terminals).
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>>133143539
>Not having a reaction image folder
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>>133143787
you have to get them from somewhere, right?
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>>133143613
my sides
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>>133129089
wonderful
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>>133143613
Should have used a cloud, anon.
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>>133143843
Then why the hell aren't you getting them from here? The only excuse would be that you're a newfag and didn't lurk long enough before posting.
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>>133144682
I do post them from there I just don't bother to rename my files after downloading them.
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>>133144739
They don't get saved with the same filename.
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keikaku gets roasted
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>>133144939
I saved it directly from google images tho...
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>>133144982
The guy you were first replying to was saying that you should have saved pictures from here rather than google. You probably misread his "here." No one advocates Google images.
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>>133144982

He asked you why aren't you getting reaction images from here, as in 4chan, where images you save aren't saved with their original filename.

>tho
>...

You're hopeless not because you download images from google, because you are inherently a 9gag/tumblr/reddit user so you are too stupid to even properly read posts let alone lurk here long enough to have a folder designated for images from here.
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>>133145043
>>133145078
I still stuck trying to understand what he was saying. Thank you both.
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>>133145078
>>133145043
Ah i understand what you mean.
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>>133145169
Is English your first language?
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>>133145201
No
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3:0
:
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Are you Hiro? You sure sound like him.
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>>133145239
Was for >>133145169
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So this is what being Washizu feels like
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>>133145379
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