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Why is the Catholic Church always so badass in anime?

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Why is the Catholic Church always so badass in anime?
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Because mormon jesus is fucking cool yo
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>badass
You should stop using that word. It's just an attempt to make wanton destruction and violence sound like something to be admired.
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>>132660255
Have you never read anything about the crusades? They did some crazy shit back in the day.
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>>132660375
>some crazy shit
for example?
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>>132660375
It was a crazy time
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>>132660375

The crusades were a reaction to over a thousand years on non-stop Islamic invasions of Europe. Why do you think some Spanish people are miraculously brown?
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/guardian/ get the fuck out
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>>132660403
Randomly accusing people of witchcraft and burning them on the stake?
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>>132660403
>Head out to conquer the holy land but decide the way is too long and kill your neighbors instead.
>Head out to conquer the holy land again but decide the way is too long and burn down the last bastion of Eastern Rome instead.
>Head out to conquer the holy land, then watch your king drown in a fucking river and go home.
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>>132660434
>over a thousand years on non-stop Islamic invasions of Europe
u fookin wot m8
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>>132660316
It's one of man's basic insticts, along with eating and reproducing. It has every right to be admired.
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>>132660255
>they all have bad eyesight through too much mastrubation
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Why is there always a super secret division of the church for assassination
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>>132660569
>super secret
Well, you wouldn't go around telling people about it, would you.
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>>132660569
Because catholicism is a big ass organization which still does exorcisms and shit.

Protestants have no pope and their exorcisms looks sillier.
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>>132660661
There was one protestant group a few years back that was caught exorcising girls by vaginal penetration with a crucifix. I bet that looked really silly.
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>>132660751
Did not know that.
That reminds me of Medieval perverted exorcists.
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Japan has a weird view of christianity
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tFOJFyTl1U

because war
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>>132660920
Yeah, the idea that nuns can go fuck whoever they want is something they like
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For the same reason ninjas and katanas are always badass in western media. It's foreign and shit.
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>>132660996
Can't really blame them
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It's just like why there are religious symbols in NGE. Anno has said they just used it because it looks cool. Japan doesn't have the same relationship with Christianity that we do here in the west. To them it's more esoteric and the average Jap probably doesn't know too much about it.
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>>132660255
Because japan has a very small religious population, and it always seems enigmatic. They have no idea what the real church is like, so they treat it with awe.
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>>132662967
They know what christianity is, they just don't know what the vatican or catholicism is. The ones that have their churches made of bones and corpses which they find strange and dark.
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>>132660495
>>132660456

Only the French and German swine left, everyone else continued under the command of based Richard the Lionheart.
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>>132661042
What anime is this? Tell me it's not random art.
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>>132663499
Learn to IQDB.
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>>132660434
>over a thousand years on non-stop Islamic invasions of Europe
Islam was founded 600AD
>>132660255
Because it's the one,true,holy,catholic, apostolic church
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>>132660751
Yeah that sounds protestant allright.
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Give me a sexy catholic nun over those shitty lolis.
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>>132663719
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
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>>132660569
>Why is there always a super secret division of the church for assassination
They can't have assassins in the main 'forces' can they?
But once in a while, when they need some asses kicked in the name of the lord there's always some shadowy, officially non existent group to take care of that.
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>>132663719
Kill yourself.
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>>132663870
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>>132660403
English and French kings fucking around with each while being allies, instead of kicking sand nigger ass.
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>>132660255
Because they are true Christians, unlike protestant sects.
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>>132660434
>The crusades were a reaction to over a thousand years on non-stop Islamic invasions of Europe.

Except they weren't and no historian worth his salt adheres to that falsity.

You probably believe in something called 'the dark ages' as well don't you pleb?
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>>132663750
Don't forget this walking death machine.
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Nips are secret westaboos.
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>>132660920
Not really, they portray it exactly how it looks from the outside: a huge, fancy religious organisation with archaic practices and a secret agenda
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>>132663870
>asses kicked in the name of the lord
That was pretty braindead.
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>>132665147
I don't know what he's talking about with a thousand years but there was hella islamic incursions against europe. The fucking byzantines asked the pope for help it got so bad.
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>>132660569
Because the church is essentially more powerful than nation, simply because it controls its followers psychologically (through beliefs that if you step out of line, you go to hell) rather than physical power like a state has (you step out of line, you go to jail or are killed by our forces),
Having an assassination unit would be the perfect way to silence critics of the church that could seriously damage its reputation.
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>mfw it's always the Catholics
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>>132663169
>Richard the Lionheart.
Was he a brutal man?
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>>132666634
Orthodoxy does nothing besides looking like high level wizards.
And Latin chanting > Greek chanting
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>>132665787
>anime about moe nuns doing cute nun things never
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>>132666840
>besides looking like high level wizards
How is that not enough to warrant at least a cameo now and then?
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>>132665593
On the inside it's anything but that anymore, it's more like this faggot >>132660316
For example:
>WHO WE ARE
>Are these church people weirdos, nerds, hypocrites and heretics?

>Short answer: yup!

>And if you're a weirdo, nerd, hypocrite or heretic, there's room for you, too.

>Our congregation is about 40% LGBTQ. We are old, middle-aged, and mostly young (our biggest demographics are under age 5, and age 22 to 45). Folks stuck on our church were raised Roman Catholic, UCC, fundamentalist evangelical, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Mormon, Unitarian, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and the fastest-growing religious demographic in America, "none." We are Black, Latino, Asian, multiracial, and (mostly, but we're working on it) Anglo. Our families are one-parent, two-parent, adoptive, bio, queer, straight, family of choice, happily single, and all-of-the-above. We tend to be theologically ultra-progressive but we love the healthy tension that comes from stimulating dialogue and difference.

>Most of all: we are perfectly imperfect.
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>>132660255
Why does every Catholic apparently have poor eyesight?
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>>132660434
More like the Crusades was the Pope's best plan to get those crazy warlords to attack a common enemy instead of killing each other and sacking and pillaging the cities of Europe.
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>>132666634
No one likes losers.
You guys wouldn't even exist anymore if you didn't manage to trick drunk Russian savages into thinking they entered the Heavens when they visited Hagia Sophia.
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>>132667420
Because they have seen the truth.
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>>132667402
That sounds like the average protestant church.
Like it has absolutly nothing to do with christianity anymore.
But I love the catholic self-understanding
>Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you
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>>132670062
What is this, Elder Scrolls?
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>>132670321
I'm laughing more than I should.
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>>132660456
>Head out to conquer the holy land again but decide the way is too long and burn down the last bastion of Eastern Rome instead.
Fuck Venice
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>>132660569

Because there's a popular theory that the Jesuits were more or less assassins who carried out shit for the church
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>>132671037
Thats some tinfoil hat shit
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>>132671254
Ad maiorem Dei gloriam
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This thread is full of kids.
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>>132660462
>Islamic invasions of Europe
What do you call what happened to Australia and the America's?
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>>132671494
Post-crusades, for one thing.
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>>132667402
Maybe it's because english is not my native language but you lost me.
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>>132666634
Seicon no qwaser.
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>>132671494
Bringing civilization in Australia case.
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>>132667402
And this is why translating the Bible to peasant languages was a mistake.
Burn all Protestants.
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>>132671801
Current western society has less peasants than Ancient Greece did when the bible was written. If anything, it was translated from a peasant language to a language of computer techies.
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>>132671859
Except it was not, only patrician could read let alone write.
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>people literally offer their souls to the Jewish god by following its offshoot peasant religion that was only started to make the population docile and bow down to authority instead of stand up for themselves and protect their communities like pagan religions promoted
KEK
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>>132672021
So the problem as you see it is that too many people can read and write?
Rejoice, my friend, for free education is going down the drains and is getting shittier every year.
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>>132671801
Jesus preached to the peasantry and other commoners, he drew his disciples from them, his message was made for them, not neo-pharisees with their heads up their asses such as the Catholic clergy.
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>>132672098
>pagan
No thanks
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>>132667768
...said a sect that considers the pope, a human chosen by humans, to possess divine infallibility. Enjoy your self-contradictions, I guess.
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>>132672351
>pagan. Its roots have nothing to do with religion, instead its original meaning was simply something stuck in the ground as a landmark.
Over time it was extended to refer not just to the landmark itself, but the area around it, and then finally the people living there. Eventually it came to mean any citizen of a town or city. When Christianity came along with the notion that its followers were metaphorical soldiers of God, to be a mere citizen meant you were outside the faith — a heathen — where the meaning of the word has finally settled today.
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>>132672351
>not worshipping the gods of your ancestors
>worshipping Yahweh instead, which is just another version of the god of Babylon
There's a reason western civilization flourished in the arts and sciences under the old Greek and Roman religions and began stagnating once Christianity was instated.

Christianity is a tool that destroys and consumes native belief systems and replaces them with a sanitized, dumbed down form of Judaism meant for non-Jews.
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>>132672416
the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra — that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church — is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent"
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Because Shiro Amakusa
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>>132672577
Holy shit read a history book instead of pop-sci 101
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>>132660255
Their schools are pretty cute too.
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>>132672682
Nice refutation
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>>132672608
If that's the best excuse you could come up with for "this random guy we chose is totally infallible, guise" after all those centuries, then it carries out and is w .
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>tfw it's too late for revive the Byzantine Empire and save Europe with power of the true Rome and true faith
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>>132672813
Ok.
1)
My ancestors have been christian for ~1500-1400 years
2)
>Yahweh
>god of babylon
3)
>began stagnating once Christianity was instated.
Literally not true
And don't come with "muh dark ages"
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>>132660403
like sacking a christian city of Constantinopolis and greatly accelerating the death of the ERE which greatly helped the ottomans to advance into europe

or how about teutons being so power-hungry that they ended up at war with Poland of all places, a catholic nation

basically crusaders are useless fucks
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>>132672897
So what's the problem in the reasoning from The church as a whole is infallible.
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>>132673093
There's no problem with it so long as you don't take it seriously.
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>>132660255
Anglicanism > Catholicism.
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>>132673032
And they were pagan for at least twice that amount of time before that. Yahweh is what Marduk became when the Babylonians just said fuck it and got rid of the rest of their pantheon and gave those gods' qualities to him. And yes, human progress did begin stagnating, because the church was too busy executing anyone who dared think outside the limits of the Bible as a heretic. Why do you think the Renaissance period was such a huge step forward? Because Europeans dared to look back at pagan Greece and Rome and look at those ideas again.
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>>132660255
>Church
>badass
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And you guys still want a history board...
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>>132673093
The church as an establishment =/= one dude with a tall hat.
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>>132673232
>Yahweh is what Marduk became when the Babylonians just said fuck it and got rid of the rest of their pantheon and gave those gods' qualities to him

Where did you hear this bullshit from, give a source if you have anything to back it up.
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>>132673432
The current dude with a tall hat isn't wearing his tall hat.
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>>132673232
Holy fucking shit.
You actualy believe in the pop-sci dark ages.
Like read a history book please.
>Yahweh is what Marduk became when the Babylonians just said fuck it and got rid of the rest of their pantheon and gave those gods' qualities to him.
Except they are very much different.
Where's creation ex nihilo in Babylonian mythology?
Or the condemnation of idols
Like is this from some Zeitgeist documentary?
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Are there actually any Muslims in anime?
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>>132673432
You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church
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>>132673232
>Middle Ages = "Dark Ages"
No.
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>>132673303
I'm an optimist. I like to believe that people who do dumb shit like romanticize failed states like the Byzantine empire or misunderstand modern historians' tendency to avoid using the term Dark Ages to mean that the period between the barbarian invasions and the Carolingian Renaissance wasn't actually that bad at all would go to /his/, post their usual bullshit, and get educated on the subject by people who actually know at least a little bit about what they're talking about.
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>>132673532
yes
>>132673782
The problem is that most retards don't know what the term dark ages refers to.
Which is kinda why they try to avoid it.
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>>132673232
>Europe was the only bastion of technological marvel and advancement
>what is China and the Eastern world
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>>132672973
Seriously fuck venice.
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>>132673782
so what you're saying is that we should have a history board for debunking stereotypes, myths and misconceptions?
Great!
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>>132660255
>why is something in 2D better than IRL?
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>>132673996
alternatively it ends up as /pol/ with dates
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>>132673216
>Anglicanism
In real life she'd be a fat middle-aged lesbian, then
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>>132674005
The Exorcist is based on a real story
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>>132660255
>Why are ninjas always so badass in american movies?
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>>132673534
"Church" here is not a physical thing tho.
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>>132666439
Play any Byzantine or Georgian or Armanian nation in CK2 and see how hard it is to survive that era without crusades.
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>>132673586
Was she a bishop? Or the queen herself? I thought the Queen was the head of the Anglican church?
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>>132674005
Where did she come from? Miriam?
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>>132674462
I don't know anon, CK 2 isn't really a good indicator of anything.
Last time I played it, I brought back the almighty Roman Empire with relative ease, and on another playthrough I turned the buddhist afghan kingdom into a military superpower able to defend from Abbasid incursions and conquer it's neighbours.
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>>132674706
Read the filename.

In the meantime:
http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Laura_Stuart
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>>132674706
The British monarch is the boss on paper while the Archbishop of Canterbury is the boss in reality.
Think of it like head of state/head of government distinction.
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>>132674750
Isn't she one of /pol/'s mascots?
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>>132666840
>greek chanting
Get rekt, we have chanting in our own language.
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>>132675298
It can't measure up to Dies Irae
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>>132674768
Not to defend Paradox and their games, but stranger things have happened in reality.
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>>132675412
At least we can understand what are they singing about.
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>>132675512
>Not knowing Latin
I bet you can't even translate the De Bello Gallico on the fly, you peasant
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>>132660462
>>132665147
>The muslims dindu nuffin dem whitey crusaders were jealous of our peaceful religion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
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>>132675504
Well, that true. We do live in a world where a desert tribe created one of the biggest empire and religion in the span of a few years.
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>>132675580
Of course I can't. Do the math: I've mentioned that my country has orthodoxal christiaity and I've mentioned that it's in native language. 90% chance that I'm from Slavlands. And you're wondering if I know latin.
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>>132674935
Ahhh, thanks anon!
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>>132665147
yea actually it was. Pope Urban wanted to push back the muslims in Anatolia who were attacking Greece
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>>132675512
There are translations.
And sounding omnious is always a bonus
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>>132666840
>Orthodoxy does nothing besides looking like high level wizards.
But that's already infinitely better than Catholics.
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>>132675590
They are responding to the ridiculous remark of 1000 years you fucking dumbass.
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>>132675679
Isn't Slavonic the liturgy language of Slav Orthodoxy? How the hell can you have a language that has been dead for 1000+ year as your native one
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>>132675868
he said "can't"
learn to read
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>>132675868
We have our native as liturgy language. Same as georgians have georgian as their liturgy language in their Orthodoxy.

>>132675903
I mean't that I don't know latin as >>132675580 was saying.

You both learn to read.
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>you will never fuck a preist
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>>132676051
You're too old for priests if you're posting on /a/.
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This thread needs Caren.
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>>132676531
Is she a saint now?
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>>132676560
http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index_Wiki
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So we're talking about the lord, are we?
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>>132676645
Also God. Pic related.
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>>132666840
>there will never be an anime about a high level Orthodox wizard travelling the world and fighting succubi
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>>132676645
Best denomination
Best DLC
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>>132667420
blind fate
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>>132676645
I could listen to this motherfucker's voice for hours on end.
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>>132676710
Please. You're supposed to conceal yourself while you're in enemy territory.
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Why is there no anime about pure Muslims dealing with infidel?
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>>132676870
>The Father's journal entries
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>>132673074
>white people ruin everything
history of mankind right there
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>>132677041
How would you show mohammed-sama?
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>>132660255
Because the Catholic church IS badass
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>>132677046
>"It's been a gift to me, at the end of it all, to behold innocence."

One of the few quotes in videogames that stick with me.

The non-meme ones of course, fucking Star Fox and Deus Ex.
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>>132666840
Orthodoxy = Wizard / Warlord
Pagan = Druid / Berseker
Catholic = Warrior / Paladin / Cleric / Chant
buddhist = Monk / Chant / singer ....
Jew = Money / dwarf merchant
atheist = range / sniper fedora

...
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>>132677222
Old men, running the world
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Oh man, I loved Hellsing for that reason. I grew up Catholiv, so it was pretty cool to see. Loved Father Anderson.
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>>132677297
A NEW AGE.
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>>132660316
Oh shit I think we actually have a christfag
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>>132677046
>There are people who fled Zion, letting all his work go to waste
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>>132673303
But anon it already exists, it's called /int/
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>>132675580
"La belle Gaule" ?
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>>132660444
>crusades
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>>132673485
A popular theory is that the first Genesis story is a polemic against the Babylonian chaoskampf story of creation found in the Enuma Elisha. Given that the Jews were in exile in Babylon, this would be a fuck you to the annual festivals that would occur to celebrate the Babylonian creation story.
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>>132660255
Catholics have been fucking shit up all through human history
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Carino struck Peter's head with an axe and then attacked Domenico. Peter rose to his knees, and recited the first article of the Symbol of the Apostles (the Apostle's Creed). Offering his blood as a sacrifice to God, according to legend, he dipped his fingers in it and wrote on the ground: "Credo in Unum Deum", the first words of the Nicene Creed. The blow that killed him cut off the top of his head, but the testimony given at the inquest into his death confirms that he began reciting the Creed when he was attacked.
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Catholic Missionaries and imperial emissaries of Catholic nations like Portugal were involved with some shenanigans back during the Sengoku era.

And you all know how obsessed Japan is with the Sengoku era, so top that off with the Vatican's enormous influence over the history of Europe, from the Crusades to the Borgias, even to the point where the U.S. was concerned about electing the Catholic JFK in the late 50s/early 60s, you can see why they've got the sinister/exotic badass portrayal down in Chinese comics.
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>>132665678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC6WAAlNHt4
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The Catholic Church used to be based
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>>132678343
But taht's the Kingdom of France
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>>132678409
Yup, the CARDINAL of Richelieu.
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>>132677945
you mean /pol/
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>>132678183
The japs must be fascinated by the idea that the church had enormous political power over whole europe, because they never had anything like this in their own past. Or did they?
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>>132678343
But the person you posted was a traitor who put the interest of his nation above the interest of his religion and allied with heretics and helped ensure the continued survival of Protestantism and the weakening of the Catholic Church.

Literally the Judas of Christianity.
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>>132678462
The French church was almost a separate entity from Rome at that point of history, sepecially thanks to Richelieu
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>>132678554
Didn't some officials decide to crack down on christianity because it got to popular quickly?
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>>132678554
>they never had anything like this in their own past. Or did they?

State shinto and its previous historical manifestations? Obviously, it's not quite equivalent to Christianity over the years but, you know, emperors descended from Amaterasu, ultimate authority depending on the era, it'd be pretty close.
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>>132678554
The warriors monks of mount Hiei gave Nobunaga alot of trouble, as I recall.
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>>132678561
Catholicism was hardly a strong and united force against the Ottomans and protestants before he came along.
He kept France staunchly Catholic and turned it into the seventeenth and eighteenth century superpower that it was.
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>>132660255
why do you think?
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>>132678561
sounds like a hero.
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>>132660255
I presume Japanese see incredible power in the Church as it managed to (atleast partly) unite Europe full of different nations, while they couldn't unite clans of one nation without constant wars
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>>132678561
>He doesn't have the monarch as the head of the church
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>>132672767

Why do Catholic Schools breed Lesbians like a corpse breeds flies?
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>>132678888
The Dutch convinced the Japanese that if they allow Christianity to flourish in Japan, Spain would use that as an excuse to attack and conquer them. So the Japs started cracking down on Christians, which eventually caused the Christians to rebel. The rebellion was suppressed, and Japs decided that dealing with foreigners was too much effort so they're just going to close the borders.

Japan could have been a Westernized, Christian state and started its colonial empire in the 16th century instead of the 19th century.

Once again, Protestants ruin everything.
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>>132677298

I really loved him in the Abridged version as well.
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>>132679539
>Once again, Protestants ruin everything.
But they made anime possible.
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>>132679165
I have neither a monarch nor an official state religion because it's the 21st fucking century and I don't live in a third world shithole.
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>>132678183

The Japanese believed the Church would bring an invasion by Spain or Portugal, which is why they attempted to eradicate Christianity under Hideyoshi and Ieyasu. So believing the Church was powerful enough to encourage a full on invasion by a foreign power mush have been in part at least a reason why they see the Catholics as a highly powerful entity.
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>>132679043

Is that a Blues Brothers reference?
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>>132660255
because its exotic, just like how the japanese find christianty exotic and interesting, we find their culture exotic and interesting. both attempt to make media/shows/whatever from eachother. its all good.
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>>132679750
>So believing the Church was powerful enough
> mush have been in part at least a reason why they see the Catholics as a highly powerful entity.
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>>132679469
Because sex = satan and two girls can't have sex
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>>132679887
The Vatican is powerful because it's powerful.

Japan proper likes their power level rankings simple. None of this "MC is ranked lowest but he's actually the strongest and a super special snowflake" horseshit.
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>>132660403
At one point, they had been besieging a village for so long that they lost patience and charged in, murdering all of the people in the village. Then they cooked them and ate their flesh.

Crusading chroniclers write about it with palpable disgust. It's fascinating.
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>>132680051

A famous Ex-Islamic Philosopher had been born there, and he was recorded as saying 'There are two types of people in the world. Those with brains and no religion, and those with religion and no brains.'
Somehow I feel that the fate of his hometown may be linked to that.
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Religion and myth based anime with a Feudal Japanese setting when?
Using holy water to fight demons and shit.
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That pimp as fuck armor and robe combo
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>>132660255
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLkhTMpOuMA
Remove protestants.
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>>132680169
He said that in the 12th Century? Sounds too modern to me.
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>>132680169
>In 2013, a statue of Al-Maʿarri located in Syria was beheaded by jihadists from the Al Nusra Front.[2]
Who's the brainless one now, huh?
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>>132680478
Arabs were pretty modern until the Mongols fucked their shit up so bad that they thought that Allah was punishing them for being too liberal
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>>132680478

It was Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri and he said it in the 10th Century. He was also a gloomy fuck who believed children shouldn't be born to spare them the horrors of the world.

But that fact that it was his home that was invaded by cannibal crusaders is a surprising twist of History. It's one of the reasons I have a degree.
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>>132680314
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>>132678139
But the creed was after any of the apostles' natural life time?
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>>132679729
>I have neither a monarch
You have a "democratically" elected government that is so indistinguishable from the other parties standing for election in how they obey every command of the lobbyists that a monarch would actually be preferable.
>nor an official state religion
You have Free Market.
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>>132680612
I'm disappointed this piece of art is apparently the work of some dude born in the '60s and not some really kickass folk tale about some kind of Christian samurai lady.
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>>132681229
Well, the art makes it pretty obvious.
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>>132678888
There is always the story of Christians made to stomp on the image of Christ? There was even a famous novel about it?
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>>132681220
Different Peter
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>Vatican pronounced as Batichkan
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>>132681404
Yeah that novel's called "Silence"
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>>132681483
Ahhh right. Thanks anon!
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>>132680612
Would watch, would pay money to buy DVDs.

>>132681535
The ending was actually well done.
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>>132679729
>duh! we're in the 21 century, dummy. monarchs and state religions are for old geezers, not kool kids like me!
4chan is >18
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>>132681546
Peter the Apostle got cruzified upside down
>>132681594
>The ending was actually well done.
Yeah I thought it was pretty powerful
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>>132681627
So the creed and its connection to what Jesus preached was more through word of mouth and the tradition of most of the churches the apostle planted?
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>>132680478
Naram Sin, 5000 B.C.
We have fallen upon evil times, the world has waxed old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their elders. Each man wants to make himself conspicuous and write a book.
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>>132681627
I had shivers reading about the summary of the ending.
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>>132681730
The creed was a solidification of church teachings.
I even think it predates the Bible by roughly a century.
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>>132679539
>Japan becomes Christian
>no anime
>good

Did you consider following Christ and move to the next world?
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>>132681928
Interesting. So by reliability it is the most reliable one.
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>mfw Americans dropped their atomic bombs on the cities with the biggest Kurishitan communities of Japan
Those poor fuckers survived through almost 400 years of persecutions only to be incinerated by other christians
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>>132681740
>5000 BC
So it predates the earliest known literature by more than two thousand years?
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>>132682029
What do you mean with that?
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>>132681627
>>132681535
Film will be out 2016.
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>>132682136

My best guess is that it's 500BC instead.
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>>132660255
The same reason Bhuddist monks are badass in western media
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>>132682094
Didn't one of the churches survive the A-bomb?
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>>132682148
There already are a Japanese and Portuguese production of it
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>>132682199

The Cathedral in Nagasaki was still standing as I recall. Still a total wreck though.
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>>132682094
>Christians
Nothing of value lost.
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>>132682203
Any good? Or just read the novel?
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>>132682254
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>>132680523
kek
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>>132682199
There was a small Jesuite mission that was within a kilometer of the bomb, all eight members were unharmed and their chapel was the only thing around still standing
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>>132682094
How ironic.
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>>132680523
Why am I laughing at the choice of image?
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>>132682340
Yeah, that's how it works. It's not like he was good because he wanted to be. He was good because he was a Christian. If not for Christianity, he certainly wouldn't be good.
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>>132682402
>>132682253
Some people have all the luck, or God really wants them to continue their mission.
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>>132679719
>>132681992
Why would Japan being Christian mean no anime? If "Catholic" France can produce cartoons, so can Catholic Japan. It's not like traditional Jap values aren't at odds with the anime industry anyways.

If anything, we'd have more anime now. West has started producing cartoons in like 1900s, and closer ties to Japan would mean Japan would start doing them sooner too.
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If Japan was Christian would there be more of an outcry against their war crimes in WW II?
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>>132676408
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>>132682606

They would have a very diffeent aesthetic though. Anime is heavilly influenced by the art of the pre-Meiji period and eastern cultural influences. Christianity would most likely have absorbed and supplanted those, giving it a very different look. That's the trouble with might-has-beens, one small change can often wrought huge changes further down the line. It's why I love counterfactual History as it offers a window to examine and critique History as it is today.
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>>132682606
Oh certainly anon. The Catholic France is producing stuff like pics related in their cartoons.
Also France is hardly Catholic. It's a secular country for a long time.

The reason why Anime is different from the western cartoons is because Japan is different from the western countries. If it was westernized in 16th century like anon suggested, it would be the same as the US.
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>>132682897
>it would be the same as the US.
Or worse, like Mexico.
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>>132660255
Because to your average foreigner the catholic church seems pretty mysterious corrupt.

The truth of the matter is its only corrupt.
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>>132680593

this


mingols destroyed a civilization that was already on its way out, but they destroyed it before it could reform (albeit you could caunt the rise of ghulat groups as reform)

islam could be very different today
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>>132660920
Ask a random westerner what he knows about shintoism. It's the same shit.
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>>132666758
He was a French man.
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>>132676408
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>>132671801
At least they're not a bunch of pagan-lovers like Catholics
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>>132677041
Fate/Strange Fake Assassin
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>>132682897
>The Catholic France is producing stuff like pics related in their cartoons.
Exactly, only not for homos like you
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>>132683325
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>>132683496
Read further you mongrel.

>Also France is hardly Catholic. It's a secular country for a long time

Being Catholic by name while not following the religion doesn't make you a Catholic. It makes you a scared piece of shit that doesn't believe but is too afraid to admit it. That's what modern western Europe and the US are. Non of those countries are Catholic.
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>>132683636
They are still culturaly catholic.
Just as how UK and USA are culturaly protestant.
There's a massive difference in that.
Not to mention that all modern western morality derives from christian morality
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>>132683636
Why are you backpedaling this hard? You claimed that France didn't produce lewd cartoons, and were proven wrong. No one is debating that France is secular though
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>>132683636

By that explanation no country is Catholic except for the Vatican.
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>>132682897
>>132683636
France was pretty devoutly religious back in the 16th century, what with all those wars of religion and stuff. Yet today it's pretty secular. In a hypothetical situation where Japan converts to Christianity in 16th century, there is nothing that states that Japanese also have to be extremely religious in the 21st century as well.
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>>132683636
>wanting to be Catholic in the first place

Enjoy your pagan traditions.
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>>132683809

The Dechristianisation Program during the Revolution plus the secularisation under Napoleon were a major cause of that.
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>>132683883

Protestants celebrate Halloween. That's pretty Pagan. Christmas is Pagan as well. Christianity was incredibly effective at co-opting Pagan festivals and Christianizing them to better appeal to converts.
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>>132683883
Thanks, be sure to enjoy your sterile pietism and liberal agenda too
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>>132683747
How am I backpedaling?
If you actually know how to read, you will notice I said "Catholic France". See the "Catholic"? A secular country can't be a InsertReligion country.

Saudi Arabia is a Islamic country since they will cut off your hand for stealing since it follows the Sheria or whatever law and the law is Islam.
The Vatican is a Catholic country.
France isn't.
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>>132682402
The monks survived. The led coating from inside the church spared them due to the construction.

In this macabre setting, it delivered a powerful message regarding this strange and foreign religion. That their God shows no mercy to those that refuse to bow, much less aknowledge its will.
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>>132683883
How did you get to that conclusion from my post? Are you retarded?
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>>132683945
>Christmas is Pagan as well
Not realy.
Dating it to the 25th December stems from as early as the first century AD
>Protestants celebrate Halloween.
Someone please explain to a european why murricans celebrate Halloween.
It's pretty much just the night before All Saint's Day where little children go around collecting candy because of an imported american custom
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>>132684038
How is lead coating helping a building sustain a nuclear blast
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>>132682094
Namu amida butsu. Buddism strong.
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>>132684610
I think he was talking about the radiation.
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>>132684755
I think the radiation is the least of your concern in that situation, finding a way of not sublimating instantly seems much more important
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>>132660255
Because it was pretty quote badass unquote in the middle ages too
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>>132684610
>A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand: but it shall not come nigh thee.
>But thou shalt consider with thy eyes: and shalt see the reward of the wicked.
>Because thou, O Lord, art my hope: thou hast made the most High thy refuge.
>There shall no evil come to thee: nor shall the scourge come near thy dwelling.
>For he hath given his angels charge over thee; to keep thee in all thy ways. In their hands they shall bear thee up: lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
>Thou shalt walk upon the asp and the basilisk: and thou shalt trample under foot the lion and the dragon.
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>>132660255
Because AMEN
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>tfw you will never be a faithful priest who devotes his life to helping those in need and being a father figure to orphaned children
>tfw you wont die of old age in a soft bed surrounded by the loving and successful orphans you raised, secure in the knowledge that you are going to paradise to be with your God and all those who went before
Sometimes I truly envy the faithful
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I think Index and Black Lagoon are the only ones I can think of with sexy battle nuns.
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We Deus Vult now?

Hi /pol/
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>>132685603
>We Deus Vult now?

Yes
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>>132684835
Maybe it wasn't built with wood and paper and the huge windows prevented the blast from taking down the walls
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>>132660255
That is not a orthodox elemental wizards.
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>>132685603
>>132685662
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>>132685662
>there will never be a slice of life anime of cute kawaii moe crusader loli's engaging in bloody violent brutal holy war against cute kawaii moe saracens in the middle east to reclaim the holy lands

It will be historically accurate too
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>>132660403
Like the fact that the church had most european rulers by the balls until the end of the 30 years war.
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>>132685939
>christ chan

REMOVE SARACEN HERETIC INFIDELS
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>>132685603
>the pic shows dozens of Teutonic knight drowning in that ice lake battle
That day God was on the Russian's side it seems.
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It's kinda strange that there are so few christians in Japan compared to China or Korea
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>>132686656
Because Christianity is bullshit and Japanese people know better.
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>>132687047
I'm tipping my fedora to you good sir
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>>132685452
Also Trinity Blood featured the Vatican heavily. I don't remember any battle nuns off the top of my head but it probably had some
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>>132687179
>Chrono Crusade
Thanks, anon.
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>>132666840
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>>132682864
>They would have a very diffeent aesthetic though

No moeshit then? That's a good thing anon.
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>>132686656
Koreans have no souls and the Chinese on top of that are impoverished. It kind of makes sense why Christianity is supposedly growing so rapidly over there.
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>>132690455
It's growing especialy under the chinese elites though
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>>132674750
Christ-Chan she comes from infinity's christian board.
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>>132690455
I think Christianity gets popular among desperate people. There are just not enough desperate people in Japan. And they already have Buddhism for centuries. What's the benefit of Christianity?
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Nice anime thread here, /truechristian/
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>>132660255
>"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
~2000 years later still the only bastion of truth in the world.
The best part is that literally nobody can even step on an intellectual level, they just see it as some hugbox of tradition when in reality its doctrine lays claim to the most nuanced conception of this contingent and transcendental plane of physical existence and secular philosophers have been trying to prove it wrong for all this time and never succeeded.
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>>132690572
>I think Christianity gets popular among desperate people
So why do all the elites in China convert?
>There are just not enough desperate people in Japan.
2nd or 3rd highest suicide rate in the world
>And they already have Buddhism for centuries
China does too
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>>132690727
>So why do all the elites in China convert?
The elites in China are communist. Wouldn't be sent to camps for converting?
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>>132678942
not really, the emperor is a descended of amaterasu but that's it. right to rule is divine, but there was no formal "church" organization.
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>>132690774
>are communist
Yeah, a really, really special (and capitalist) kind of communists.
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>>132690722
Have you even read the catechism, /pol/ack? are you just pretending to be a diehard catholic because its hip and because fedoratheists annoy you?
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>>132690722
Do you seriously believe ALL this bullshit? Literally everything you just said is wrong.
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>>132678561
Say what you want about the cardinal but that's pio back there in the habit.
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>>132690727
“The Japanese don’t care whether God exists or not.”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/12/20/national/history/christian-missionaries-find-japan-tough-nut-crack/
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>>132690891
Please don't associate me with /pol/
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>>132681618
This post is edgier than any straw atheist shit posted in this thread
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>>132691171
Then answer my question. Do you even know what the catechism is? As someone who was raised Catholic this growing trend of tryhard fake catholic wannabe crusaders annoys me.
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Didn't know /int/ and /pol/ frequented /a/ like this.
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>>132691104
Holy shit that artice has such a flawed comprehension of the "just war" doctrine.
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>>132691266
>/pol/
No thanks.
You thought people are joking when saying this is a christian imageboard?
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This is your average priest.
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>>132666634
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>>132690727
>elites in China convert

We have a saying from the Taoist schools: "When in presence of civilized men, act dignified as if yourself was civilized. When among common folk, act humbly as if you were a common folk. When amongst barbarians, adopt their ways as if you were a barbarian"

Its like teaching kids English; its just so they could have a chance at international commerce or admission into US schools.
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>>132666840
Greek chanting sounds so much better tho
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>>132691225
The catechism is designed as more of a rulebook.
The actual intricacies of catholic doctrine are best kept by the summa theologica, that's really what everybody should be reading.
And no I haven't read the catechism.
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>>132691266
Most of the website is one of those two or gets second hand opinions from their bullshit
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>>132691462
I hope you're not trying to fool anyone into thinking you've read the Summa when you haven't even read the Catechism.
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>>132691462
The catechism is actually pretty good to debunk common misconceptions
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>>132673782
>>132673996

I can assure both of you that there are too many idiots with a fundamental misunderstanding of history and working internet for that to ever work on 4chan, where the loudest and most numerous voices "win" (see /pol/). it would undoubtably end up as >>132674021 suggests, as nationalist revisionist histories would be force fed to the board by the unwashed mongoloids that think themselves to be scholars of history.

Sorry, this is just the deranged raving of a history major who gets autistic in the face of the stupid ship people say
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>>132691552
But Christianity is utterly incompatible with /pol/
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>>132691225
>>132691266
Before /pol/ started pretending they're Catholic, if you ever expressed any kind of religious sentiment you'd get literally dozens of people angrily responding to you and trying to convert you to atheism.
After /pol/ started pretending they're Catholic, the fedora meme shamed most of these pseudo-missionaries into silence, but now everyone thinks you're a /pol/luter as well if you're religious.
You just can't win.
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>>132691679
>where the loudest and most numerous voices "win"
>unwashed mongoloids that think themselves to be scholars
4chan in a nutshell.
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we need a history board
please hiroyuki
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>>132682094
Protestants ruining everything as usual.
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>>132691679

Fellow History Major, and I well understand where you;re coming from. Then again, History is always under revision and nothing is more argued over then it so it would be interesting to see, if nothing else. Maybe hailing from /tg/ and their Historic Wargames threads I have more faith in the concept as a whole.
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>>132660495
>drown in a fucking river
>implying he's not still alive and just waiting for the right time to come back and lead his people to another bloody victory
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Am I correct in assuming the Japanese have a fascination with the Catholic Church because the Japanese have, only until very recently, never encountered a major monotheistic, hierarchical religion before?
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>>132682402
>Jesuits
Who do you think dropped the bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR-IdlAKrwc
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>>132692735

Finally another that understands my pain. I totally get what you mean by "history is always under revision", I just despise when people butcher it with misunderstandings, oversimplifications, and a lack of critical analysis, especially if it is to further a political end. Unfortunately that's the only way I could see a history board going. /tg/ truly is the best board though.
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>>132666439
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0
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>>132692180
fucking this
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>>132686593
Nigga, the guy reaching for the hammer worshiped Satan
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>>132692632
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
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>he needs to believe in something to be able to keep on living

kek
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>>132694192
Oh it's not that bad :^}
See?
It's kinda funny.
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>tfw Qwaser
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>>132693598
>Extra Credit
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>>132692180
it would be all about holocaust denial and similar things. real history discussion could only happen outside that board
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>>132694216
I believe in next season having good anime.
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>>132693478

I hope you never had to do Postmodern History. That year was hell.
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>>132660434
you're thinking more of the reconquista, the Léonese and Castilian efforts to push the Islamic rulers of al-Andallus (Andalusia) thus establishing the modern Spanish nation.

Crusades were basically the pope arranging a field trip for European powers to go kill Muslims instead of each other because he was so tired with their shit the Pope couldn't even.
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>>132693598
Try again with a less cancerous retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0zudTQelzI
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>>132698717
>john green
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>>132698413

So it's shit at your university too. I luckily managed to avoid t by taking modernity in Europe 1872-1917, gotta say it's right behind getting fit as one of the best move I've made in college.
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>>132692927
You would be wrong. There was Muslim contact in Japan long before Christian through Muslim traders throughout China. Muslims were just far less evangelical in that region of the world due to Confucianism making it hard for them to penetrate much into Chinese society (at least until Kublai Khan). Christianity caught on in Japan and was perceived as a threat because the Catholic rulers of the time had the wealth to spread the gospel and make it look wondrous through European achievement.
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>>132698717
is that
IS THAT FUCKING MIDORI DAYS
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>>132698717
>john green
HELP I'M BEING RAPED
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>>132693598
Thanks Taiga.
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>>132690891
He's completely right though
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>>132683272
>Ask a random westerner what he knows about shintoism.

Something something spirits all around, something something emperor is a god incarnate.
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Reminder that Biblical Literalism is the full baka cancer killing the modern Church.
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>>132660255
Because missionaries showed up and they were twice everyone's size and had guards who were also twice everyone's size and had guns.
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>>132666840
>And Latin chanting > Greek chanting

Shit man, I'm not Orthodox or from Debtland. But this chant here has me hypnotized, I've been trying to find a source for a while now.

https://youtu.be/5_yqSmRU9qo
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>>132698917
As a Native American I find Shintoism very interesting because it bears a lot of parallels to traditional Native spiritualism. Had North America developed differently prior to the Columbian exchange and been more highly competitive you might have seen Toteism gradually take on a form very much resembling Japanese shinto shrines.
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>>132672973

That's what EUIV is for, brah.
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>>132698754
>>132698877
So since when has there been a backlash to John Green? He makes history interesting for teens.
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>>132666458
>through beliefs that if you step out of line, you go to hell
How can tippers be raised in what is still essentially a Christian culture, and not even know a basic teaching of the faith, like the doctrine of Christ's atonement for all sin?
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>>132698850
Yes, yes it is Commissar.
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>>132677945

/int/'s a pretty cool board.
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>>132699102
His Alexander the Great video is a fucking disgrace, and everyone involved in it should be ashamed.
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>>132699088
>Evangelical
>shit tier
Only in the US where the word means Christian Americanism.
In Europe Evangelical has always meant Protestant, usually Lutheran.
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>>132667170
>no anime about Trappist monks doing trap monk things making trappist beer and cheeses
>trap monks
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>>132699088
>Latter Day Saints
>Christian
Confirmed fake catholic
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>>132679539
>>132699064
I just played a game of EUIV where Japan converted to catholicism somehow. I wasn't even bothering them, I was playing as the Mayans.
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>>132699102
He's probably the single most hated man on /lit/. And I imagine /pol/ must hate him even more, if they even know of him.
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>>132670529
>all this was planned by a blind Light Yagami

Just-a as keikakku, molto benne
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>>132699262
that's why they're shit-tier

I only put them on because every time I leave them off some jackass goes "what about the mormons???"
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>>132699102
>He makes history interesting for teens.

You just answered your own question.
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>>132699306
>And I imagine /pol/ must hate him even more, if they even know of him.

He's inconsequential. Never really mentioned.
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>>132699169
I was not aware of this, anything in particular you can explain to me?
>>132699306
Why is he hated on /lit/? /pol/ hating someone is nothing new though.
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>>132699367
Why is that bad? With how retarded the average teen is, I'm ecstatic to imagine even some of them getting into history rather than some modern stupid social networking trend.

But then I guess I enjoyed watching Horrible Histories and Hysteria so maybe I just have a low bar for immaturity and goofiness n historical stuff.
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>>132679539
>So the Japs started cracking down on Christians, which eventually caused the Christians to rebel. The rebellion was suppressed, and Japs decided that dealing with foreigners was too much effort so they're just going to close the borders.

Eagerly awaiting Scorsese's next movie.

>In the seventeenth century, two Jesuit priests face violence and persecution when they travel to Japan to locate their mentor and to spread the gospel of Christianity.
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>>132699409
>one of the most influential figures of the classical age
>actions directly influenced everything in the Near East region for centuries to come
>"He's basically an ancient Kardashian"
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>>132699367
turning girls? my nigger.
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>>132699102

Horrible Histories do a better job.
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>>132699049
Wasn't there an alt-history novel set in a world where western Europe never becomes a world power and the America ends up being colonized by Arabs and the Chinese?

Seems like a really interesting "what-if" scenario.
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>>132699584
Years of Rice and Salt?
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>>132699584

I think that Scenario was in 'What If? Eminent Historians imagine what might have been.'

I'll have to check.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDnu0giUS00
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>>132699612
That's it, thanks.
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>>132691266
4chan is majority christian site. Every christian thread ends up hitting the post limit
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>>132699698
>4chan is majority christian site.
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>>132699669
eymen
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>>132699584
The more you look at history the more you kind of start to see how it HAD to be Europeans who colonized or at very least explored North America. Both geography as well as cultural traditions played a huge role in why they were the first. Mali or Morocco were fairly influential during the time of early colonization and could have sponsored expeditions and such had they chosen to, but they had little financial or historical interest in finding far off lands for trade routes or resources. Muslims just never became interested in colonizing as much as Catholics because they were much more tied to an ancestral homeland than the much more wander lusting Europeans. Even their excursions into Europe tended to be considerably more conservative than the Catholic incursions into the Muslims worlds in terms of claims and casus beli.
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>>132699698
>4chan is majority christian site.
/pol/ is a majority fake christian board, you mean
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>>132699698
*tips cap*
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>>132699698
4chan is secular at best, and probably atheist at worst.

I for one worship the Moetron.
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>>132699698
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>>132699769

Well, at one point it could have been the Chinese. The expeditions of admiral Zheng He showed that they had the ability to make transoceanic voyages and could have reached the Americas via the Pacific had political and cultural concerns not filtered in.
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>>132699769
Yeah, that makes sense.

Part of the reason I want to read the book is to find out how the author explains such an implausible situation.
I'm no expert, but all of Europe just dropping off that map seems way to extreme to ever happen.
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>>132699819
>4chan is secular at best, and probably atheist at worst.
Nah, all the atheists got chased off to reddit. 4chan has been overwhelmingly christian for years now. You might not have noticed because /a/ doesn't typically talk about religion
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>>132699698
>>132699819
>>132699924

I think 4chan is many Religions. It doesn't ever really come up and it's usually not important. Here, people of any faith or lack of it can talk and bond over their shared interests without the issue of faith clouding the discussion.
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>>132699924
>4chan has been overwhelmingly christian for years now.
"christian"
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>>132660434
How retarded are you? The crusades were a way for popes to get rid of all the stupid knights who were basically acting like gangsters going around killing each other, killing peasants, ransacking and burning villages. Urban II decided to send them to the Levant so that they would stop fucking everything up back home. Charles stopped the islamic invasion at the battle of tours hundreds of years earlier.
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>>132699409
He writes YA fiction for teenage girls.
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>>132699924
>>132699819
It depends on the country and what you define as "religious".
More atheism in central and northern yurop for example.
And registered with the church and going there once a year because grandma insists hardly makes you a believer, it's more inertia than anything.

>>132700019
Raj, please, don't you have some callcenter station to operate?
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>>132699924
Christ-chan is the best thing to come from /pol/.
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>>132700154
there have been precursors
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>>132700154

Winter-chan is what's hot on /pol/ these days. Don't ask.
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>>132700332
let me guess, the cold season killing refugees?
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>>132700304
>black weeaboo

Is that...the step ladder girl from RLM?
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