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Why are Conjurers so useless?

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Why are Conjurers so useless?
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yet most conjurers in the series had great hatsus.

emission is actual shit.
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>>124552835
Shit taste detected, Potclean and Netero's ability are some of the best
Franklin, Goreinu and Razor weren't bad either
The only conjurers will cool abilities are Kite and Knov
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>>124552567
que
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>>124552567
Kurapika and Chrollo are both Conjurer Specialists.
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>>124553466
Chrollo is only a specialist though, not a conjurer
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>>124552567
My understanding is that on the scale of use its

>Enhancers
>Transmuted
>Emitter
>Manipulators

With Specialist and Conjurers being outside due to specialist varying and Conjurers being most effective in certain situations

>>124552835
Actually Manipulators should just quit
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>>124553538
His book is a conjurer ability and the stealing is specialist. At least that's what Zeno said.
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>>124553570
His ability is conjuration but he's not a conjurer, you can't be in 2 different categories unless you have Kurapika hax
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>>124553561
>Actually Manipulators should just quit

This is pretty accurate. Not many Manipulators. Morel was like the only good one?
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But conjurers are at least the cutest
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>>124553466
Kurapika is a Conjour by default.

When he goes Red, he becomes a Specialist who can use all nen abilities at 100%.

Chrollo's a Specialist whose primary power appears to be the ability to take other peoples nen power, but his real power is still unknown. He was able to move Nobunaga without him knowing and he didn't have his book out.
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>>124553621
Illumi, Shoot and Pouf
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>>124552835
emitter is the best. The synergy you could pull off since you're close to enhancer and manipulator is nuts.
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>>124553617
>you can't be in 2 different categories unless you have Kurapika hax
All specialists are technically 2 categories since no humans start as a specialist and you become one later on. Chrollo was probably a conjurer originally.

Of course Chimera Ants can be specialists from birth but they're different.
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>>124553686
Specialist is the best because they don't have specific restrictions.
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>>124553708
>no humans start as a specialist
I don't remember this being a thing, just that conjurers and manipulators had a higher chance of becoming specialists later in life
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>>124553561
>Actually Manipulators should just quit

Fucking Shalnark
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>>124553686
This, most emission abilities we've seen have some sort of manipulation to it (and vice versa) and enhancement is the best for basic combat
Transmuters don't have the same luck because you can't really incorporate conjuration with it
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>>124553621
Illumi is fucking crazy dangerous though
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>>124553903
You'd probably be able to conjure up a sharp as sword and transmute you're aura into flames hotter than hell or something like that

But you'd also need a fucking strict ass Vow and Condition for that
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>>124553659
I'm 500% sure that's a nigga
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>>124553659
>tits
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>>124553708
Headcanon.
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>>124554225
That's because it's Kurapika
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>>124555500
>Kurapika

How the fuck do you say his name I always pronounced it as just

>Kura-Pika

But I've heard people say

>Kurap-Ika
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>>124555713
Why don't you watch the anime and find out?
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>>124555713
literally potato potato.
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>>124555713

Its pronounced ku-la-pika, so if you choose to pronounced it with an R sound, doesn't really matter how you do it. Because its wrong either way.
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>>124553398
He's a transmuter with conjuration abilities.
Why are transmuters always best boys? I'm calling that Ging is one too.
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>>124555996
Ging is probably an enhancer or emitter though
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Let's come up with good vows.
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>>124556100
Cat emperor time
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>>124556076
I hope not enhancer because that and specialist are too predictable. Emitter seems likely too though.
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>>124555996
My money's on Manipulator-Specialist
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>conjurers can literally come up with hatsu like Chain Jail to defeat an opponent with an aura level and fighting skill several times higher than their own
>useless
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>>124555996
Ging is clearly an emitter, he has the short temper emitter personality that Leorio and Kanzai have, and he was able to learn Leorio's ability and use it even more effectively
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>>124556421
>Ignoring the fact that it's only useful on literally like 8 dickheads
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>>124556421
>die if you fuck up once
>can only be used on like 12 people
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>>124556474
Is Kanzai confirmed as an emitter? I only remember the nen types of Mizai and Saiyu being revealed
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>>124556474
He will be transmuter and complete the best boy trifecta of transmuters.
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>>124556521
So? An enhancer would have no chance against a higher power level opponent except by training until he eventually is at that level. It can be any downside, and the hatsu still scales with the user's power level, and don't forget Kurapika has other powers besides chain jail.
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>>124556641
Gon's jajanken would have been lethal to Knuckle or Morel, who are both stronger than him
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>>124556521
>>124556562
It's efficient as fuck

>>124556421
But still kinda useless in any other circumstances which is kinda the point of Conjurers
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>>124556705
Conjurers have to do some pretty crazy shit to be able to conjure up something, like Kurapika did
I wonder if Kite had to do the same shit with every weapon
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>>124556676
Yes, but only with the downsides of standing still, charging the attack, using extra aura/energy, and using kou, weakening the rest of his body. It's not like conjurers who can use restrictions/rules in the creation of their weapon in the first place. Knuckle's over-confidence is what gave Gon the ghost of a chance of actually hitting him with the charged jajanken, and Morau was just testing him and letting him charge it.
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>>124556829
I'm just saying that an enhancer does stand a chance against a stronger opponent given the right circumstances, just like conjurers.
Also Gon had another opportunity to hit him with the charged jajanken in combat, he just ran out of stamina a few seconds before.
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>>124556913
>I'm just saying that an enhancer does stand a chance against a stronger opponent given the right circumstances, just like conjurers.
Yeah but conjurers create those circumstances for themselves, whereas enhancers rely on nen from allies or other sources (like the cards gon used to beat gensuru)
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Does kurapika's chains work on ex troupe members?
Alternatively, does it work on people he thinks are troupe members but are actually not?
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>>124557038
Just got into Chimera Ant arc.
How long is it?
I'm hyped for Gon-San
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>>124557130
anytime you hear the narrator, 2x speed
or you'll be watching it forever
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>>124557038
Didn't mean to quote you.
But I'm pretty sure the second one results in dead Kurapika.
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>>124557130
Jesus Christ did you spoil yourself on Gon-San already?
Also prepare for 60 episodes of suffering
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>>124557130
it's more than twice the length of the second longest arc
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>>124557038
Seeing how nen works i'm pretty sure if he believes someone is in the troupe, he won't die if he kills them
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>>124557163
I've only seen short webms of him standing up with crazy animation.
I'm on episode 78.
>Dat Onii-chan trying to protect his imouto.
;_;
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>>124557035
You can also put a vow and condition on an enhancer ability if that's what you're trying to say, just like Gon did
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>>124557208
Shit hits the fan in less than 10 episodes and it only gets worse from there
Enjoy the ride anon
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Can someone explain what each ability does again thx
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>>124557395
Transmutation: gives ability to be best boy. see: Hisoka, Killua, Feitan
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>>124557395
Read the heaven's arena arc again.
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>>124557286
yeah but that's stuff like "stand here and charge this attack and expose myself for a long time for a really strong hit" and "rotate my arm 10 times for a stronger hit" and "sacrifice myself for a higher power level"
Not stuff to gain situational advantages. In general I think enhancers are the great in team situations but weaker in 1v1s where other nen types (especially conjurer and transmuter) can just give themselves an advantage with their hatsu.

Though conjurer abilities can also be straightforward, like crazy slot just summoning really strong weapons.
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>>124557529
No I saw the anime and I'm just waiting for the rest to be released
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>>124557395
Enhancement can enhance a weapon or your body
Transmutation can change the properties of your aura into fire and electricity
Conjuration can make your aura into physical objects
Emission can allow you to separate your aura from your body
Manipulation allows you to control everything
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>>124557577
If you mean in animated form it's not going to happen for at least 10 years.
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>>124557599
Just cause you answer my dubs with yours don't mean what you say has any fuking value to me it won't take more than 3 years
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>>124557539
It's the opposite, Kurapika's master explained it, enhancers are the strongest in 1v1 fights because they hit stronger and take less damage even if you're at the same level
Conjurers can only get the upper hand with huge restrictions, like Kite's inability to chose his weapon or change it before using it, or Kurapika's pledge
The only way for any nen user to beat a stronger opponent is through the restriction/condition system, if you were an enhancer and had an ability that would make you twice as strong/fast and give you tons of aura but that you could only use like once a year, you could probably beat an opponent much stronger than you with it
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>>124557672
>3 years
Haha
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>>124557774
Can someone plot the graph of the % of hiatus on a graph
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>>124557736
I know he said that but I think things turned out differently. I think when Togashi wrote that he was still perhaps thinking from the ''conjurers can't make anything a normal human can't make'' perspective and he was still intending the nen contract Kurapika used to make his hatsu powerful as special and unique, when later it turned out basically all conjurers do something similar. The only time we've actually seen an enhancer do well in 1v1 is Gon-san I think?
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>>124557156
he wont mind the pacing at all as long as he doesn't have autism
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>>124558018
I was talking about a regular brawl, with no hatsu involved. By the time of their last fight, Knuckle and Gon dealt pretty much as much damage as eachother, even if Gon wasn't as good as him.
If Kurapika's master taught him that making a covenant could make shit stronger, it probably was going to be a pretty basic rule, why would it be special?
Also, except for Gon who is like 13 and still somewhat average, most enhancers we saw fighting had the upper hand
>Uvogin after he went all out until he got caught by Kurapika
>Youpi who was barely damaged after all the hits he took and could have killed Knuckle in one punch even with Potclean on him
>Phinks killing that guy with one enhanced punch
>Gon-san as you mentionned
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>>124557922
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>Ponzu and archer-bro come back JUST TO GET FUCKING KILLED/EATEN/RAPED
FUCKING
GREAT
I GUESS YOU FUCKERS WERE RIGHT ABOUT SUFFERING.
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>>124558638
Buckle up, that was nothing
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>>124558756
But anon no one else really important has come to 'help' yet!
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>>124558564
We're gonna pass 100% hiatus before 2017
Does that mean he's gonna start another manga?
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>>124558638
Ponzu was best girl.
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>>124558862
She will bee missed
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>>124559035
CARLOS!
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>>124558821
We'd be lucky if HxH finishes, i doubt he's going to start something else by then
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>>124560720
How can one man be so perfect?
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>>124560720

He's probably some freak outlier who's like 80% in every category or something.
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>>124560869
Wasnt Netero the same?
Conjuring the buddah
Manipulating the buddah
Emmitting his 0 hand
Enhancing its toughness and speed
Did his technique involve any transmuting though?
How does Conjuration and Transmutation not go hand in hand? your changing your Aura into an object. or different form. is conjuration just for physical objects?
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>>124560994
I'm pretty sure he just emitted the buddha
And conjuration can be for more than physical objects, Knov could conjure portals to his multiple room dimension thing
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>>124556076
Too smart to be an enhancer
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>>124560994

It seems like most high level users actually use several different categories at once in exchange of "locking themselves" into a very strict manifestation of power compared to the more versatile but type restricted stuff like electricity emission.
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>>124561076
>electricity emission
That's transmutation
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>>124561288

Oops, I messed up
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>>124558638

The part I dont understand about Ponzu is that she says her ability automatically triggers if she screams, and she did a lot of fucking screaming.

T-Thanks bee's.
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>>124561572
She was killed before she had the chance to scream.
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>>124555713
>kurap-ika
What the fuck? Ika as in eye-ka? That's not even Japanese.
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>>124560856
That babyface with stubble really triggers my autism for some reason. Why couldn't they make his face a slight bit longer?
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>>124561858
Not that anon, but that remembers me of when I started reading I pronounced Killua's name Kill-You-Are. I never considered that to had to sound japanese because the names aren't in the first place.
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>>124562022
Because Ging is a manchild
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Why did all adaptions avoid nude Gon fishing?
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>>124563941
I remember a flashback of that foxbear with him and naked Gon fishing at the beggining of the Yorkshin arc
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How's this for a power and system of restrictions?

>Category: Manipulation
>Condition 1: I must tell you to shut up, not to speak, recommend that you be silent, etc. You must hear me say this.
>Condition 2: You must disobey me and talk anyway. I must hear you speak.
>Condition 3: If you speak out loud and I don't hear you, you are released from the recommendation.
>Condition 4: The recommendation cannot be made to the same person twice in a row.
>Clarification: If the recommendation is made to more than one person at a time, it is considered to have been made in the order by which it is heard (nearest person first and so on).

The manipulator then gains control of the subject and can issue instructions. These instructions must be made verbally and must be heard. Once the manipulator gains control of the subject, the only way for the subject to be released is if the manipulator dies or chooses to/is forced to release the subject.
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>>124564455
Sounds a bit too easy, most abilities with conditions were far more restricting, like Genthru's
Explaining how it works to the opponent might make it work though
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>>124558638

The archer guys is probably alive As an ant
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>>124564830
He was Cheetu
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>>124564553
And then there's Illumi.
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>>124564973
Illumi is strong as fuck though
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>>124562022
Because he's cute
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>>124564861

Cheetu was alive before he even entered NGL.
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>>124555996
He conjures the sun, he doesn't transmute it
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>>124570004
He conjures the armor and transmutes his aura into Rising Sun.
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>>124570004
He conjures the armor, transmutes his aura into heat and emits it
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Guys.

What if I told you that having a nen that is good for battle isn't everything?

Who do you think can get rid of Rose poison?

THAT'S RIGHT

MOTHER-FUCKING-CONJURERS
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Conjuration is OP as fuck because it basically carry specialist traits by almost default. Unlike true specialist traits, most of the things a conjurer can do can be used for battle so you are safer on conjurer than specialist.

Tier:
Conjuration
Specialization
Enhancer
Transmutation
Emission
Manipulation

This is the true powerlevels.
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>>124570676
Let's see you come up with a radiation healing conjurer hatsu
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>>124570770
>Conjuration is OP as fuck because it basically carry specialist traits by almost default.
What the fuck am i reading
Conjuration is shit tier unless you have some strict as fuck conditions that put you in danger everytime you use your ability
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>>124560720
I hate that kind of power especially when it comes without any limitations.
It's so uninspired and mary sue
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>>124570793
Fuck that, too hard.

At least Nanika could do it, probably.
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>>124570832
Give me one conjuration guy in the series that didn't had specialist powers on it or was totally not-dangerous as hell.
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>>124570911
Because it's a skill of his, not his nen.
>>124570770
>transmutation that low
Let's see you beat bungee gum, which has both the properties of rubber and gum
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>>124570911
He still has to get hit by it at least once and it has to be a strike-type ability like a punch
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>>124571095
I have something much better, Bungee Cum.
It has both the properties of rubber and cum!
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>>124571095
>Let's see you beat bungee gum, which has both the properties of rubber and gum
Transmutation is only good on people with special snowflakes powers, In general, a shit speciality.
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>>124571094
Kortopi wasn't dangerous
Also i don't see any conjurers who have some specialist powers in the series except for Kurapika
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>>124571205
But bungee gum has both the properties of rubber and gum.
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>>124571274
I like Biscuit's ability better than Hisoka's
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>>124571205
Bisky has a shit hatsu but is one of the strongest characters
Machi's ability isn't that special snowflakeish but it's still versatile as fuck
Zeno's is also pretty cool
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>>124571412
I wish it could just create a qt girl to massage my back.
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>>124555713
>arguing about a girl's name
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>>124571472
>Bisky's massage girl
>shit

Because it's not for battle?

What's wrong with eternal youth and fast workout recovery?
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>>124571472
Biscuit isn't even actually a transmutter. Her powers are more enhancer than anything. She would be stronger if she was enhancer.
Zeno is more emission than anything. He would be stronger if he was an emitter, just like Silva would too.
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>>124571496
>Girl's Name
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Who has the most chuuni nen ability?
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>>124571610
Pakunoda
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>>124571610
Definitely Mami.
Tiro Finale is such a lame conjurers move.
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>>124571580
But she doesn't enhance herself, she does the opposite through transmutation
Also, except for Dragon Dive, how is Zeno's emission?
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Why is Menchi so perfect?
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>>124571610
Killua
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>>124571709
Shit personality and only relevant for 3 episodes
Absolute semen demon though
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>>124571674
>a bunch of energy going after the enemy
>not better being emission generic energy for faster and more power instead of whatever fire or other property it has
How he would not be better than as emitter? The basic working would be the same but with a bit more power.

>>124571552
Plus 8 hours of sleep can be done in 30 minutes. You have 7h30min extra hours per day to watch vietnamite cartoons.
For a 80 years life expectancy, you just turned yourself into the equivalent of a 118 years old by the time of your death.
>Wake up 6:00 am, do everything you want until 5:30 am, sleep, wake up 6:00 am.
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What condition should be made to reach archer level?
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>>124571721
I agree, Semen Demon is just pushing the chuuni border.
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>>124571597
B-but kurapika is a girl
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>>124571882
Because it wouldn't have the same properties as an emitter. It did damage to Chrollo just by brushing against him and restrained him, if he was an emitter it'd only be 60% as strong
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>>124571916
>Killua's hand
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>>124553758
Aren't they good at maniplation and conjuring naturally but have problems witht he rest of nen?
I'm just going by yhe chart
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>>124572115
I'm pretty sure something was stated about them being the worst at basic enhancement
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>>124571890
He's a conjurer who's condition is to not destroy Rin's ass.
That's why he's so powerful
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>>124572115
I don't think they follow the basic rules that every other category follows, including strengths and weaknesses. It's only stated that they're down at the bottom because Manipulation and Conjuration have the best chance at developing into Specialization auras.
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>>124552835
>emission is actual shit
>razor blowing up a boat
>netero's buddhisatva thing
>goreinu and leorio using teleportation
>ging and leorio can apparently use SONAR with nen or some shit
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>>124560994
So, wait. Netero is a confirmed Enhancer, but the 100 Type Guanyin Bodhisattva is Conjuration technique, right? Why would he need a Manipulation technique to control it? Most manipulators stand still and stick needles or something in order to gain control of the target; Netero did not stick anything into the Bodhisattva and he used hand motions to control it.

Anyways, it seemed to me that he conjures up that shit and enhanced it to be stronger and faster. His 0 Hand attack seemed to like a combination of emission and transmutation; he changes his aura into "light" and then fires it.

Speaking about emission, is it possible to have some sort of teleportation technique? Short range teleportation, and teleportation of a specific body part to avoid damage (think "coolest guy" in Nardo). Fast enough so that it can only be rivaled by Killua's Godspeed.
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>>124572995
I'm pretty sure his Bodhisattva was emission and not conjuration and that he was just enhancing his attacks with it
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>>124572995
That guy in greed island, one of razors 13 devils could teleport his hand.
It looks cool as fuck too, but he was weak.
I'd say its possible.
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>>124572995
We've seen actual teleportation, Chrollo and that boxer guy in GI used it (even if it only was possible in an enhanced ring or some shit, it still happened)
I assume Chrollo can only use it on other Troupe members in specific cases, else he'd also have used it on Zeno
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>>124573484
Was it? I don't think he had his book when he used it
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>>124573058
Shit, I meant emission. My bad.

>>124573222
>>124573245
Oh yeah, I remeber that guy in Greed Island. His technique basically becomes Leorio's. And I can't recall Chrollo ever using this, mind being specific?

And I just realized something. Couldn't Emperor Time rival Chrollo's Bandit Book? I mean, I don't think Gon would mind telling Kurapika how to perform a Jajanken. And Leorio's technique is even more straightfoward; if he is anything like Ging in that he can discern the nen type of a techinique, Kurapika is beyond broken. Hell, in ET he could Enhance his chain to the point where just a fling could crush someone's bones and greatly injure an enhancer.
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>>124553621
Hisoka!
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>>124574028
???
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>>124573768
>His technique basically becomes Leorio's.
Leorio has to punch a surface and it's not instant teleportation, but it has more range
It's not exactly the same
>Couldn't Emperor Time rival Chrollo's Bandit Book?
There was something about "levels" of skill over the different categories, even during ET Kurapika's punches would be weaker than an actual enhancer, it's just that it's about twice as strong as it normally would
Also i don't think you can "copy" hatsus without an ability or being Ging
>>124573940
You're right, my bad, i just checked the manga
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>>124574028
But he's a transmuter.
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>>124573219
>pretty funny how emission is 2nd weakest to you when netero was the strongest hunter we've ever seen
Because he was naturally strong as fuck either way. If he was enhancer he would probably just punch the ground and shatter the land. You can have a manipulator that can manipulate the heart itself to make it stop without a lot of restriction but still manipulation would be so strong. In average, emission is just not that great. If you have enhancement and a gun you are almost an enhancer by default. Same for a conjurer with bullets with some special property. Enhancers are just the least useful ability overall. Still better than manipulator as how rare great manipulation skills seem to be.
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>>124574309
>If he was enhancer
He was.
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>>124572969
Enhancer + Emission is the best.
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>>124574309
>Enhancers are just the least useful ability overall.
Enhancement has been explained many times, there's a reason Kurapika wanted to be an enhancer
It's the most balanced of all the categories, it has the best offensive/defensive abilities and that's just the simple shit, more "complex" enhancement can improve your healing factor or make you able to kill someone just with a scream like Uvo
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>>124574555
FUS RO DAH
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>>124574673
>>>/reddit/
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>>124574724
what's that

I can't click the link you posted :(
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>>124556125
kek
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>>124574555
I wanted to say emission. Emission is the least useful overall. Not saying that it can't be great, just that average users are better off with other powers.
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>>124575661
Emission is like a lesser version of Conjuration but with better synergy with other categories, enhancement for basic combat and manipulation because it works really well with emitted abilities, like Razor's or Goreinu's
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>>124557774
Dark continent arc could had been in 2005...
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Transmuter>all
>hisoka
>zeno
>silva
>killua
>feitan
Why even bother with anything else???
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>>124576871
Transmuters need their enhancer masters or they're worthless, like Killua and Gon, Phinks and Feitan or Zeno and Netero
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>>124576927
>masters
you mean husbands
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>>124576927
I shall rephrase then. Transmutation + Enhancement > all
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>>124577010
Of course, i only meant in bed
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>>124577010
>>124577161
Don't sexualize the Bromance
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>>124571890
It'd be cool if Togashi introduced a conjurer exactly like Archer or Gil
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>>124577535
Make me
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>>124577535
I will when transmuters stop lusting so hard for enhanced dick
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>>124573768
Chrollo teleports the samurai whatever the fuck his name was when he tries to attack another member of the Ryodan
And sure, Kurapika could probably learn a lot of things with time, although I doubt he could learn all. Chrollo just has to steal it, he doesn't need to know how it works in the same way.
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>>124574154
Not exactly. Kurapika can bring out 100%. Say someone who's enhancement trains himself to level 10, and Kurapika also trains himself to level 10 in enhancement, Kurapika would only be able to bring out 40% because of his category, meaning he'd be the same as a level 4 enhancement. With his ability he can bring out 100%, it's op as shit.
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>>124576871
I'd assume transmutation has the most potential simply based on the Zoldycks seeming like they want to breed them, it's in a pretty good spot too since it's so close to enhancement
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>>124578214
1v1 Kura is damn near unstoppable apparently but if you overwhelm him you could probably take him.

Depends on how posses he is too
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>>124578416
>posses

I mean pissed
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>>124553858
I fucking despise Shalnark
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>>124578778
I bet he liked it when Uvo brutalized his boypussy
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>>124578778
Why?
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>>124579001
Something about his face and his ability makes me hate him.
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>>124578014
Is it pretty much a fact that being a transmuter automatically makes you an enhancer's slut?
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>>124579112
yes
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>>124579001
These are amazing
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>>124577535
Can we sexualize the Loli?
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>>124580060
The Loli is already a slut you won't have to do much
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