What the fuck. What was Shirou seriously planning on doing to Gilgamesh? Did he think he could win? How retarded is he, /a/?
Shirou is suicidal in his desire to help people and he was always suicidal. It's just that only through the grail war actual situations occur in which helping someone will effectively kill him. He's beyond altruistic.
I know. I just have forgotten if in a previous episode we've seen Shirou having another pendant, which would mean he found the one that was used to heal him and archa handed rin the one he had from the past, due to being shirou.
Yeah they have subtly shown that there are two pendants numerous times. During the starry night scene when shirou returns Rin's pendant to her he mentions that he still has the one he found at the school and found it odd that she had an identical one.
Lancer is the only good thing about this show at this point
It somehow still baffles me how utterly shit and incoherent the dialogue is in this
How did Type-Moon ever become even remotely successful with this kind of hack writing? Are people just fucking retarded or what?
Reminder not to be deceived by sunk cost VNfag primaries.
They made the decision long ago to gorge themselves on an inferior medium, knowing full well that a superior, high budget, high quality better medium version was in the works.
They traded quality for early access to content. And misery loves company, they will stop at nothing to trick newfriends into making the same mistake they did.
You should do the following, at the bare minimum
1. Watch Fate/Zero
2. Watch UBW (UFOTABLE)
3. Decide to wait out for the end of UBW, or if you really must and cannot contain your autism to win nerdbattles on /a/, you can play the VN
4. Ditto for the last, worst, wormroutes like HF.
There is zero reason to choose an objectively inferior, decade old eroge VN over a far superior, better artstyle, animated, version of it.
Additionally the other fate releases spoil Fate/Zero -- the best standalone release of the entire fate series. It is idioitic to complain about how it ruins a subpar route like HF, when reading HF/FSN spoils Fate/Zero.
Fate/Zero is one of the greatest selling anime of all time for good reason. And /a/ will never stop being butthurt over it.
Additionally, people really overestimate how bad "spoilers" are. It's not like "It's his sled" level spoiler, it's just "ugh, ok that's what they decided to do"
You're supposed to enjoy the journey, not the destination, in Fate. And the (ufotable) anime is a luxurious limo ride on the main road. The VN is a model T that can travel on the side roads as well.
Take the nice trip and then circle back onto the dirt path if you really want to.
His original market was eroge-playing ultra otaku.
What do you think? Everyone knows nasu's writing is terrible and he's a hack. the only thing he can write are chunni-cool ideas.
It's funny, one week ago every /a/nons were praising him for trying to save someone despite risking his life.
Now that Rin said the "you have a disturbed view"-thing, theses /a/nons are shutting up.
>Archer could easily take on Chiron or Vlad on equal ground
>With these stats
>SHIROU BAKABAKA I'M GOING TO BLUSH BECAUSE LANCER IS LAUGHING AT US
Shut the fuck up, Jesus Christ. I don't know - when I read UBW a long ass time ago she wasn't nearly as annoying. And now I'm fucking starting to like Sakura more than her. Let me repeat: Rin is so fucking annoying I'm actually starting to enjoy wormslut more.
Heaven's Feel and all of Ilya and Kirei's scenes (the only reason to watch Fate in the first place) can't come soon enough.
The original plan was to just summon some servants and sacrifice them cooperatively, but only one person could get the prize, so it turned into a battle, your supposed to sacrifice all seven servants to reach the root or whatever, but just six is enough to use the mana to grant a wish. It's not really apparent what happens after the grail war is won but they probably would just disappear due to lacking the mana to stay materialized, we can look at Gil, but he is a special case due to his mud bath.
It looks like they're setting up for the sad death of Kuzuki and Caster.
Yeah, because he's a hero who invalidates the meaning of statistics. He fights Cu on even ground because despite being slower and weaker, he knows how to manipulate the battle in his favor.
I got a new desktop picture out of this episode. What do you think /a/?
It's not like we need to spend post after post in praise.
lancer is objectively shit and people only like him because of the 4chantrarian meme
Cu was only trying not to slay him instantly. It would have made no difference even if he was, because Archer was leaving instantly lethal gaps in his defense. The battle would have proceeded identically.
lancer is shit and the only people that like him are contrarians in 4chan, but there's so many contrarians on 4chan that being contrarian is no longer being contrarian and that means that liking saber is now the contrarian thing instead of the most popular
thank you based 4chan for continuing the infinite cycle of postironic psuedoliking things
Its all pretty pointless, Nasu has stated that Gil is the most powerful and has basically admitted that he could pull any deus ex machina out of GoB and win. Archer has shitty stats and a good Noble Phantasm, but is a really shitty servant and really only a natural counter to Gil (though would lose instantly if Gil used Ea)
True Assassin was awesome though.
It's unclear if he has a rune that would help in that situation. As to NP, well, he did use his NP. And in that match Archer lost. But that's irrelevant. The fight before that, which was comparing their statistics, is what is relevant.
That's the whole point of his distortion, duh.
UBW is trying to tell us that the average shonen MC behaviour is stupid and suicidal, but even like that, it isn't wrong. And I say that it isn't wrong because that can't be right either.
It doesn't matter if whatever he was going to do was unlikely to work, he still wanted to save her
I mean if you saw your parents or waifu about to be run over by a car while you're far away would you just blankly look on?
He's the guy who took off the shroud in the middle of the night because he was curious even though Kotomine told him it will kill him.
Canonically one of the most stupid MCs in existence.
>It's unclear if he has a rune that would help in that situation
>As to NP, well, he did use his NP
The only thing Archer could do against melee Gae Bolg is run away before Cu uses it.
Is she ok?
Archer has fairly significant magic resistance when wielding Kanshou and Bakuya.
>The only thing Archer could do against melee Gae Bolg is run away before Cu uses it.
Yes, and? We're talking about statistics, man.
Fucking shit. Not even Nao can be blamed for stealing Haru, but manami is just entirely shit. manami is selfish and fall fighting because she needs damage control or she'll go mad, while Shirou is a good guy. Learn the difference.
Lancer and Ilya are the only good characters in the entire VN.
The only reason to watch Fate is Ilya's scenes and Kotomine's scenes. HF has the juiciest ones, and the best girl doesn't get her fucking heart ripped out in them. Kotomine gets some backstory that makes him into a bit deeper character than just some evil asshole. Everyone else is irrelevant.
>The only reason to watch Fate is Ilya's scenes and Kotomine's scenes.
Though I didn't care for Kotomine as much as most people.
The Internet is a centralized botnet anyway, you ignorant fuck. Everyone's actions are detectable but millions are surfing at the same time and not everyone can be caught because there is not enough people to do the catching.
The reason to watch Fate is to save Saber though
Everyone who spouts this retarded "do I fit in yet" shit and thinks it's a clever jab or something pretty much confirms they are not from here, just like the "not your secret club" -fags.
So wrong it hurts. The anime can't portray the scenes as emotionally and detailed as the VN.
No, Gil has a reason for being able to stay for 10 years. Even being an archer, he still uses Kirei's super happy orphan farm to maintain mana.
In two routes they keep two servants alive by having 2 people constantly give mana to them, there's no idea how long that will last though since F/HA is weird with rules.
>SHIROU CAN BEAT UP GILGAMESH CAN BEAT UP MEDUSA CAN BEAT UP LANCER CAN BEAT UP JESUS
>autism and cuck memes galore
We should put a block on new IPs from posting here while a secondary-dense animu is airing.
>exerting this much effort to conform as much as possible
Archer is shit and would lose to everyone if they were serious.
Archer vs Gil: Gil stomps since he'll use Ea when serious.
Archer vs Berserker: Berserker stomps.
Archer vs Saber (Rin): Saber stomps.
Archer vs Lancer: Same as their rematch, except this time Lancer doesn't let him live.
Archer vs Rider: Bellerophon or Cybele, gg
Archer vs Assassin: Archer can literally only win from a range, which isn't impressive since Assasssin is the shittiest Servant in the war. Close quarters Archer is stomped.
Archer vs True Assassin: Delusional Heartbeat, gg.
Archer vs Caster: HA light show.
Even in Zero he'd be wrecked.
Archer vs Lancelot: Lancelot has a new collection of cool weapons
Archer vs Rider: IH overrides UBW, gg
Archer vs Gilles: Have fun trying to beat the horror Archer
Archer vs Deermud: Goodbye to your shit projections friend
Archer vs Hundred Assassin: rekt before he can use UBW
Archer vs Hero Kirei: Archer is impaled and demolished
Archer vs Kiritsugu: Origin bullet gg
Archer is one of the worst Servants in the entire series. Stop pretending he is good since he is fucking terrible just like your face.
What? I like Lancer and I don't like him ironically. I admire his honor and how he doesn't go down without a fight. I also hate niggers and jewish gaming companies and I'm not /pol/ or /v/.
It's almost like everyone is a secondary or something. No way that's true though, right?
>the few wealthy and powerful trick their simpleton countrymen into waging an unjust war
>small guy won
I bet you think the Civil War wasn't an illegal war of northern aggression too
>HFfags aren't nearly as bad, honestly.
What are you smoking?
Gilgamesh never gets serious, Archer can kill Saber at range, Assassin can be pulled into Unlimited Blade Works and destroyed, True Assassin would never be allowed to use his NP, Caster dies if she's not in her Temple, Lancelot couldn't use traced weapons, we don't know how reality marbles interact, Caladbolg II would kill Gilles right through the tentacle lord, hundred faced hassan has no combat capability, Kirei is sub-servant level and Archer knows all his moves, bullets cannot strike servants, I am eating ALL this bait and none of you can stop me.
>ultra NEET primaries are actually showing devotion to Nasu who stabbed them in the back for normie jewbucks
Which is why he throws away this ridiculously cheesy "honor" shtick from cheap tales and fights like a normal man, with brains.
He's a chessmaster, far from the best, but gets the job done.
If every other 'hero' acted and fought normally, he would need to seriously step up his game.
Don't be stupid.
HFfags are as pompous and self-absorbed as UBWfags are stupid. Meanwhile, Fatefags take their Saberfaggotry up a new level with each passing they.
They're all equally shit.
>Archer can kill Saber at range,
wow archer you really killed her there
I don't like Fate milking, but I think original Fate anime will be better idea than LN or ios game. Just imagine fate threads if F/A was anime, not LN. F/A anime with POV.
>not thinking lancer is the best character
you don't even know son
It's probably just because of the anime airing. So you are most likely right.
The only thing I can foresee confidently is the rape/worm thing being blown out of proportion.
So far I haven't seen HFfags spam the bait meme whenever someone has an honest criticism on their route/show.
>this entire thread
Why is everyone so terrible?
I hope so. And they better have Shirou voice all of his thought too.
>"SORRY FOR TAKING KIRITSUGU FROM YOU!"
>"SORRY FOR BEING THE CAUSE OF YOUR SUFFERING ALL THIS TIME!"
It would still be a problem because Saber herself would die. Nasu himself has already said as much. A fight between the two is either "Archer arrows first or Saber Excaliblasts first".
>They traded quality for early access to content
or maybe they traded nothing and chose the only content there was.
maybe not everyone is a huge faggot like you who picked it up last week and decided to go for an anime rather than the source material.
now please stop acting like a 12yo who watched a shounen for the first time and thinks it's the best thing in the world, or a 14yo who watched hellsing, eva or death note.
Archer is Type-Moon's batman. Of course he would lose a lot of straight-up fights, that's not what makes him good though. Although you are wrong on a few points here (Archer can obviously destroy Caster, for example).
Really liked Shirou's "Archer" smile. It was a nice touch.
That and Light and Darkness NEED to be in the HF movie. I'd like Mighty Wind, but it won't really fit.
Tohsaka should know lying is a sin.
UBW Good is LITERALLY the PLEBBEST, most NORMALFAG pandering BULLSHIT that Nasu has ever written, and if UFAGGOTable animates it over UBW True it'll show how they're all just a bunch of SaberCUCKS too afraid to not appease their SECONDARY NORMALFAG JOB HAVING fanbase. It shows the COMPLETE decline of Type SHIT into just another moneygrubbing KIKE corporation, and it would be a DISGRACE to TRUE FANS of the novel.
Every TRUE FAN needs to RALLY before the second cour to ensure UFAGGOTable gets their HEADS out of their ASSES and MAKE SURE we get the ending we DESERVE.
Kind of funny to think he's going to be Itami in Gate.
There is a lancer version though (and it's my favourite).
She's going to hell anyway.
>I should have taken the Moon's deal instead
. Watch Fate/Zero
>2. Watch UBW (UFOTABLE)
I've done this and some more I've only watched for most part,
is it ok to read HF from the VN or should i go trough all the other content as well?
I'm sure everyone here highly values /jp/ as a board. Truly, what would be of this world without an ever-constant discussion and research as to which 2hu has the most suckable toes?
no eroge in re-releases
multiple normie animes for $$$
normie movies for $$$$$$$$$
incredibly lazy doesn't even do anything anymore (actually this is good because he's a bad writer)
i think it's fine but if you're a otaku or NEET you should be furious with him
THIS ILLUSION needs to be in HF or else I'm going to
throw a fit
It's really getting ridiculous with all these babby's first baits in these threads. They are not well thought-out, they don't work, but they still get spammed enough to make the threads a chore to read. It's like the retards doing this think trolling means you have to just be as obnoxious as you can and then you "win".
Here's the ranking for TMfags.
More or Less Bearable Tier:
Doesn't Necessarily Make Me Want to Commit First-Degree Murder Tier:
Shut the Fuck Up Already Tier:
Irredeemable Shit Tier:
>no eroge in re-releases
You realize that games in any console (like PS2 and VITA) aren't allowed to have any kind of erotic content, right? +
That's a problem with the videogame industry, not Nasu
>no eroge in re-releases
Not entirely correct.
I don't give a shit how he makes money. Why should that make me angry? He never signed any form of contract binding him the the ethereal servitude of "NEET", whatever you think that actually means in this context.
>both staring directly at each other's
>Shut the Fuck Up Already Tier:
Wait a second, they're not a minority?
>look how contrarian i am, do i fit out yet?
>heh, people don't have suave sophisticated and nuanced views on nasu's deeply profound and philosophical worldview and universii like i do
Wouldn't /jp/ be more to your taste?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the figure are
I predict Sakura will be symbolized by a black queen in the movie trailers
It's not being contrarian if I'm right. HFfags are assholes, UBWfags are obnoxious retards, and Fatefags are literally incapable of not talking about Saber for even a minute..
Is there even a confirmed range limit on Cybele?
And Bellerophon would most certainly bust down Rho Aias. Pegasus is not a thrown projectile, so it's only the defensive measure of seven fortress walls.
Actually, Fate is my favourite route, and I can acknowledge my shit taste if you want, but at least I don't go around insulting other routes/waifus.
Yeah, it's just Takeuchi samefagging, right?
>forgetting about the best girl
The problem with Shirou - and FSN - is that he is written in such a way that instead of crazy, he just comes as pretty retarded. Rin and Archer should have been the main characters instead.
My waifu not jobbing is gonna be great.
Fucking what? Excalibur is not "several times stronger than Bellerophon", that's utter bullshit. Aias was obliterated by Excalibur. It only soaked a bit of the effect so that Bellerophon could make up the difference.
4 fortress walls + 90% of Bellerophon = Excalibur's output.
No it really is my favourite. Best ending too
>people still seeing Shirou as a hot head shounen cliche that makes dumb decisions because he's dumb
>not seeing that the entire point of his character is that he's actually a fundamentally warped and broken person because of survivor's guilt and Kiritsugu's legacy who genuinely has no value in his own life and a compulsive need to try and save people to a degree that he's basically an autistic mess
Fuck me I can't even blame it being anime fags, people are just genuinely this bad at the "show not tell" principle.
You're bad at watching things, that's depressing.
I like Fate route better. Shirou never gives up being a superhero, succeeds and gets a magical waifu for eternity. The execution might be poorer and the exposition heavier, since it's the first route, but I like the premise and development of the route more than of the other two routes.
No, you reread the VN. Excalibur is only barely able to destroy Bellerophon-boosted Pegasus and Medusa in one go, Pegasus has fucking dragon-class defenses and Bellerophon multiplies it several times over.
You only see that Bellerophon is an A+ rank NP without realizing that it's an A+ rank NP stapled onto a dragon-class lifeform.
Yeah, I will admit that Fate was probably executed objectively the poorest, but I love the concepts and themes the best. Too bad Nasu just couldn't pull it off because he can't get past his confused dick.
Nothing, I'm not that anon. I don't even agree with him. There are plenty of secondary rinfags, and they're awful. Rinbros used to be cool, but now they just turn to shitflining.
>tfw Lady is voiced by
Yup, I agree entirely, except that they were pretty tolerable before UBW kicked into full swing. In fact, the only group that was actively persecuted against were the sakurafags, and they kind of do it to themselves.
Shirou's the winner of the Fifth Holy Grail War, at least as far as Fate/hollow ataraxia's concerned.
I dunno what exactly qualifies for "winning" in some of these routes, though. He wins in Fate since he and Saber are the last Master/Servant team standing, are the ones that personally destroy the Holy Grail, but in UBW and HF, he loses both his Servant and his rights as a Master.
If anything, Rin should be the winner of UBW and Sakura should be the winner of HF.
I don't know why, but I feel like the anime isn't making the scenes as emotive as they should be.
It might be because of the music or maybe reading it makes it better, but the Illya flashback scene and Shirou talking about his reason for doing what he does didn't affect me as much as their VN sersion did.
Or maybe after watching it for the first time it lost its shock value.
Hollow only explained her personality, it was obvious that her caring for Sakura is also a case of projecting onto her, given she does things Sakura doesn't want and without her consent.
Their relationship is complicated.
That's.. no. Archer has to concentrate on keeping Rho Aias up if he wants to defend himself.
And a B+ anti-army that its conceptual weapon triggers against. Pegasus is not a thrown projectile, so it doesn't get the conceptual weapon effect, AND it has to stop a barreling dragon-level beast that has been super-enhanced by magic.
WHILE he is being petrified.
Tfw I'm trying to get the vn on my phone but shit is long as fuck.
You might as well say Lucky Lancer.(Excluding Karna) Gil's likely to screw around long enough for EMIYA to use UBW. Seeing how effective Shirou was, Gil would lose.
Only after losing about 6 lives. EMIYA did surprisingly well for someone not targeting Ilya.
I doubt Archer would even fight that
Cu'd win if Kotomine didn't use that Command Seal on him
Depends, who's her master?
Likely so but Sazaki's lack of NPs is a disadvantage.
I doubt that.
Depends on circumstances. EMIYA could have killed Caster. In fact, he does in UBW when she wasn't looking.
I doubt Knight of Honor would work so well on projections. They'd just disappear. Prisma Ilya aside.
That could go the opposite way around too.
Gilles' only chance is that giant tentacle monster & I wonder if Caladbolg 2 can pierce through. It doesn't even need to destroy completely, just get Gilles
Yeah, projections might not work so well.
Why would Archer need UBW to deal with them? Individually, they're darn weak.
I doubt Kotomine would be able to succeed. EMIYA has Rio Aias & more
I wonder why Kerry never used the Origin Bullet on Servants. I guess it's because they're not the most likely to work. Servants are too fast & strong,
>not using wikis
>reading thousands of pages of source material to find one paragraph
how worthless must ones time be?
>He fights Cu on even ground
Lancer is said to be able to fight Saber and Archer at the same time indefinitely if all he had to do was survive
No, archer can't fight Cu 1v1 if Cu could go all out
>AND it has to stop a barreling dragon-level beast that has been super-enhanced by magic.
>WHILE he is being petrified
Relax with the fucking wank there kid. The point is that it will stop it long enough for her to get skewered, and that's if Archer doesn't snipe her before she can use Pegasus.
Why can't we just admit that both our times are worthless?
How can you not take seriously? LOOK HOW EVIL SHE IS!
carnival phantasm are the "so random XD *holds up sport*" of fatefags, or worse, the "w-why can't we a-all get along" old-definition-of-hugbox types.
They are beneath contempt.