Fate

>>124291477
He always dies being a badass though.

>Defeated by a sword that kills him seven times and then comments on it as he dies.
>Defeated by Gilgamesh but even so he is able to break Enkidu before dying.
>Defeated by MC that uses one of his tricks but even so he would have killed MC if not for stopping the attack after noticing daughteru thanks to the strength of his own heart.

>>124291477
was the eye slicing really in the VN?

Berserker is his worst class, things would be different if he were Archer or even Saber.

>>124292331
would it really matter what class he is? i thought the madness didnt affect his abilities?

>>124291477
But we can't make rank E luck jokes with him because Berserker has B or something.

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>>124292213
Who the fuck cares.

Its the UBW route which is literally the worst one of the three. The only people who keep defending UBW like autistic retards who squeel like little piglings are Rinfags anyway. Always desperatly in denial, that their battle shounen route which is about Shirou being a superhero, is the best.

Kinda ironic that he fails to save anyone except Rin.

MoS > UBW

Very few people exit a grail war in anything other than a body bag.
Medea probably got the biggest raw deal of anyone, and I don't just say that as a Caster fanboy; although I am.

>>124292409
He only has God Hand as NP in the Berserker class

>>124292213
Yes.

>>124292572
What it is sad about Medea is that she just does what she does because other people let her.

>>124292213
Yes it was, the whole scene was very faithful to the VN.

>>124291477
>Always gets defeated by some bullshit
Excaliblast isn't bullshit.

>>124292727
And she dies twice by being impaled with swords. And the third time has her husbando die in front of her in a horrible fashion.
>>124292752
This is actually one of the "faithfuliest" adaptations I've ever seen. I think some secondaries are getting the wrong idea when they see people complain about the 5% at most that is changed or seeing Nasu say it's another parallel world.

>>124291596
How Caliburn exceeds any of the weapons in Gil's gate is ridiculous. Gil has a even stronger Caliburn but that doesn't kill BASAKA seven times

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>>124292914
It was Saber's doing that she made Shirou's Projected Caliburn go up few levels.

>>124292914
That's because Gil is shitty Archer and not mighty Saber

>>124292914
All of Gil weapons are launched as arrows not used as proper noble phantasm.
In Fate Caliburn was used after stabbing into Berserker, not launched.
It's like comparing raw excalibur vs excaliblast or ea drilling into rider in F/Z at the end and using Enuma Elish.

>>124291477
Blame the Eizberns. Berserker is possibly Heracles' least suited class.

>>124292502
0/10

>>124292914
Caliburn was being used at that moment by two people who can claim to have "mastery" over it.

Saber mastered it in life and it was the sword that was the first part of her legend (sword in the stone) and Shirou traced its entire legend and had as much control over it as Saber had.

Basically, an incredibly OP sword got buffed by 100% twice.

>>124292578
I doubt that. It's based around Heracles' 12 Labors/Labours which something that doesn't depend on class. Infact, most of Heracles' trials relied more on cunning and resourcefulness rather than brute strength. Heracles would likely have God Hand in most if not all classes.

>>124293404
If Nasu can dig up an obscure spear and dagger for his cash cow then Hercules' weapons and objects connected to his legend also count as Noble Phantasms.

Unlike the first two whose existence solely exist for author wanking, Herc's weapons are well recorded.

>>124292409
He was actually a clever man and also a skilled archer.
As Berserker he can use neither of those things.

>>124293651
tell me about his weapons

>>124293651
>If Nasu can dig up an obscure spear and dagger for his cash cow

What?

>>124293651
Considering the attention towards Arthurian legends, I'm surprised we aren't seeing more Knights. We have seen Arthur,Lancelot (although that may have been Urobutcher), Gawain & Mordred. I'm surprised Key, Percival & Galahad aren't there.

>>124293759
Kay would be bullshit levels of OP.

>>124293725
Shining spear that anchors the planet, literally Excalispear

Dagger that makes its wielder invisible and can cut through anything (hello there Shiki)

>>124293651
Atleast Herk didn't get fucked over so much by being in Japan as Cu.
Cu should also get all his toys.

>>124293693
Tactics
An excellent warrior, he possesses the qualifications corresponding to six classes excluding Caster. Other than specializing with the bow, he has mastered every weapon. However, all that is talk about times when he is not Berserker. Heracles as a Berserker has lost his rationality, and exists only to utterly defeat the enemy from the front as directed by Ilya. Naturally, there is no such thing as detailed tactics, leaving it to physical ability and brandishing an axe-sword to strike. Astonishingly, with just that, it is a fact that he demonstrates hand-to-hand combat abilities superior to every Servant. Without breaking to even think about defense, he leaves it to his Noble Phantasm "God Hand."

They even acknowledge Heracles' archer skills

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>>124291477
That's because Herc is a meme servant.

>>124293397
>Shirou traced its entire legend and had as much control over it as Saber had.
But he outright says he's not a wielder and had no control over it. His hands were starting to rip apart.
That's why Saber lent a hand in the first place.

>>124293795
Where were these things mentioned and what are their names?

Because Arthur using a Spear in legend is not obscure at all.

>>124293806
what does that even mean?

>>124293759
The latter three were mentioned in GoA.

>>124293782
No, Kay is more of a diplomat and a smooth talker. Like in actual mythology Galahad was the strongest, beating Gawain in five strikes and everyone else in less than that.

>>124293840

Anon, Shirou's UBW means that he traces the entire history and mastery of the sword whenever he projects one.

He is a faker. He only downloads and copies the mastery of the weapons. When the weapons fade, so to does the mastery. Thats why he isnt a wielder, he is a Blacksmith of sorts.

>>124293851
Rhondowhatever is obscure compared to the importance Nasu gives it.

>>124293717
Well for one, he had the Hydra bow.
ie. The thing with arrows dipped in poison which even the Gods feared.

>>124293782
By Nasu-verse logic, older is better. Originally Sir Key was Arthur's best knight, then they made it Gawain, then Lancelot & finally Galahad. Seeing as Sir Key was "the best" first, he'd be the strongest.
>>124293875
You mean Gawain with or without the injuries? People constantly go back & edit things. Infact, how old was Gawain when that happened?
>>124293796
Cu sadly only had his Gay Bulge. What about Caster-Cu though?

>>124293725
Saber's Rhonmonghwatever spear is apparently keeping the world together.

>>124293902
>Rhondowhatever is obscure compared to the importance Nasu gives it.

It was the Lance Arther used to kill Mordred, wasnt it?

That was a pretty key moment, anon. And you say Nasu gives it importance but it isnt mentioned once in the entire game.

>>124293916
Gawain pre-injury and Camelot pre-rebellion/Lancelot cucking

>>124293887
You are retardedif you think that Shirou's projected skill is anywhere near that of "wielders"

>>124293963

Anon, that is LITERALLY what the VN tells you and goes to great lengths to tell you in UBW especially.

Shirou can wield swords as well as their original heros because he essentially traces their entire experience with them. However, that experience goes as soon as the weapon does.

The only weapons he can claim to be actually skilled in the usage of are Kanshou and Byakuya.

>>124293963
It is though. That is a key part of his Reality Marble.

Please read the VN.

>>124293963
>tertiaries believe this

>>124293963
Are you new to F/SN?

>>124291477
Summoning a hero as Berserker is stupid.

Herk could easily be a good Rider or Saber, even fucking Archer.

>>124291477
Because all his role in entire VN is be a punchbag. They even added 12 lives to him for this purpose. All he can do is die constantly to show how mighty other heroes can be.

>>124293916
If Nasu would be consistent than Arthurian myth would be pretty shitty.
I mean they basicaly took celtic mythology and painted over it.
For example they split Cu in 2 or more parts with Kay getting a transformation and fire aura and Gawain getting a toned down "Bricriu's feast" with the Green Knight and Cu's status as a Sun-hero

>>124293963

So I guess you missed the part where Shirou traced Berserker's slab sword and was then able to use 9 Lives because he traced Heracles experience with the weapon, right?

Dear god people have gotten retarded in these threads.

>>124294113
The Arthurian mythos in itself is inconsistent as fuck in the first place.

You need Shirou's EX rank luck to do anything in the fate universe

>>124293796
King Arthur and Hercules are popular unlike potato heroes only paddies care about.

>>124294017
A important part is that he can't do it as well as the "original"
He spells it out in his fight against Gil that he can only beat Gilgamesh with that and not other servants

>>124294185
>not having read the Ulster Cycle

>>124294185
Don't talk shit about my husbando.

>>124294197
>A important part is that he can't do it as well as the "original"

No. You have inturpreted that wrongly.

The weapons he traces are always a rank down from the original weapons BUT he will always trace the entire history of the weapon and wield it with the profficiency that the original hero did.

Of course, he then as physical limitations as he is a human and that even with tracing the history and experience he still cant match up to a servant who has god like speed and strength.

Some stuff from GoA.
Kay was a tsundere;
Merlin is not dead, so he is not in the Throne of Heroes;
Tristan was quite popular due his good looks and poetic behavior. Also a master of the bow just like in legends, but when other bowmen assessed him, they would give evaluations such as "I would hesitate to call that a bow" or "You have fundamental misunderstandings about what a bow is";
Agravain was a cool-headed knight who didn't speak much nor let his emotions show on his face. Worked as Arturia's secretary. Rarely fought on the front lines but, upon heading out to the battlefield, he would always return uninjured no matter what sort of strong foe he faced. This earned him the moniker "Agravain who knew no wounds". Truth is, he was an assassin dispatched by Morgan and once threatened Guinevere. Killed by Lancelot due to his insult to the Queen;
Percival adored King Arthur more than anyone. Lost his life in the quest for the Holy Grail;
Galahad was admired as the perfect knight, the young boy who would shoulder the next generation of the Round Table. Ended up ascending to heavens along with the Holy Grail;
Gareth and Gaheris were mentioned in name only;

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>Irish "heroes"
>relevant

>>124294305
>Kay was a tsundere
Literally every character that's not Sakura in Fate is a tsundere.

>>124293958
I thought Gawain received those injuries to justify Lancelot being the best (which itself was to justify Lancelot's prominence) & before people created Galahad.

>>124294283
Servants were stronger alive than as servants.
He can't beat servants with copied skills because they just aren't as good as the "real deal"
There's a reason Archer trained his own technique instead of relying on traced skills

>>124294305
>the young boy
He's going to be a shota Shirou clone

>>124294155
I blame the people going and making edits. It's always "This is how it happened!" followed by "No, this!" or "Yes but only because of that!". It's a mess.

>>124294081
Well Acht isn't exactly a great thinker. All his plans seems to come from frodos.

>why didn't they just summon a god
>why not just hire an anti-mage assassin to fight for them.

If he's so strong then why did he die

Good episode, and better ED from Kalafina, was like the KnK films

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>>124294463
>implying
"young boy" is code word for "girl pretending to be a man"

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>>124294185
Nasu pls unwrap your lips from Sabers cock and stop with the Arthurian bullshit.

>>124294472
It's realy way harder to get a working timeline into myths.

>>124294559
Galahad did not carry a stupid shield like that, he owned two Excaliclones

>>124294283
so how he able to do the nine lives? is it because of archer's arm or he just "downloads" the technique

>>124294602
Both, really.

>>124294590
german fanfic > french fanfic > english fanfic > welsh fic
In terms of powerlevels

>>124293875
>GoA
GoA? Apocrypha?

>>124294668
Garden of Avalon. Saberwank bullshit with some worldbuilding recently released.

>>124294590
alexander the great also didn't own a chariot pulled by magical bulls

galahad's associated with a white shield with a vermilion cross, and the shield has the same cross pattern. her armor also looks similar to lancelot

she's galahad, guaranteed

>>124294463
So what Noble Phantasms would Galahad have aside from some Holy Grail-esque item? I remember they combined tales where Gawain wielded Excalibur & stories of Galatine into Excalibur Galatine as well as turning stories themselves or abilities into NPs like Knight of Honour & God Hand but still.
>>124294639
But Welsh came first thus according to Nasu, they should be stronger because they're older.

>>124294748
>her armor also looks similar to lancelot
Fate is pretty consistent with Arthurian armors, her armor bears no resemblance even to Lancelot's edgy suit.

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It's 420 lets talk about the 3rd HGW.
Was Hitler a Magus?
Was he a part of the Church?

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>>124291477

>>124294839
God I loved that episode.

Carnival Phantasm will be the perfect thing to rewatch after this series of UBW ends .

>>124293887
I get that, but he still wasn't anywhere near Saber's level when he projected it.
As I said, that's why Saber jumped in.

>>124294823
it's a similar texture and colour to lancelots, whether it looks the same as normal armor is irrelevant since galahad is special.

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>>124293806
Why don't you call him a cuck servant while you're at it

>>124293887
He can't keep up with the weapon though, He wasn't swinging caliburn around, caliburn was defending on it's own and tearing shirou's arms apart in the process, he could barely hold onto it.

>>124294869
Again, he has physical limitations and prana limitations that Servants dont have.

Its all well him having the experience and ability to wield it but he falls down on the magical energy and stats side.

Then again, UBW is more than enough to take on any other human or magus. He, like all other humans, is just completely outclassed by Servants.

If Lancelot somehow reproduced with Gawain, how would Galahad react?

>>124294906
Well a centaur did try to cuck him but he murdered the shit out of that centaur.

>>124294963
Erection

>>124294124
That hasn't been animated yet, so they don't know about it.

>>124293352
Didn't they summon him as Heracles specifically because he would have second thoughts about the whole Holy Grail thing?

By the way, in any of the Grail Wars, was there ever any Servant who was explicitly against it?

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So how long until Dr.Gilgamesh 2.0 webm edition?

>>124295058
No, they did it because they were trying to cheat.

Berserker class gets a load of buffs as its supposed to be the class where a "weak" master can summon a weak servant but they then receive buffs at the expense of the Servants reasoning.

Einzberns were like
>Why not have a strong master summon Berserker??! Then its all of the Berserker class buffs with none of the negatives!!!!

if saber loved her knights so much why didn't she fuck lancelot in front of the queen?

>>124295206
Because she knows how to please men.

>>124295242
black men

>>124295206
How do you know she didn't?

Has anyone played the video games? I've only played unlimited codes and it was alright

>>124295325
>>>/v/

>>124295110
1 week

>>124295133
Their problem was, Heracles was best suited to be an Archer. If it weren't for Heracles' strength, speed & God Hand, they would have screwed up hard.

>>124295325
Played extra and unlimited codes, liked them both.

>>124295283

nothing indicated that she did

I just realized, would Gawain have received anything from his tale with the Green Knight? Any axes or green sashes? Would Cu have received those instead?

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>>124295396
But she knows how to please a man doesnt she?

>>124295510
She learned from Kay.

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what fate spin-off is this? why does Shirou look sorta off?

>>124291477
Berserker only knows how to roar, so he doesn't count.

>>124295133
>Berserker class gets a load of buffs
Not with heracles.

Hell, even Lancelot's case is arguable.

>>124294921
I'm dead certain that's actually Manaka posing as her sister.

>>124295623

Lancelot gets a serious buff. If it weren't for Mad Enhancement, he couldn't keep up with the Gate of Babylon.

>>124295596
>124295596
>Implying Kay isn't a phaggot

>>124295610
Its Tsukihime 2 anon. Please not tell me you forgot sachhin.

>>124295396
Nothing indicated that Emperor Nero was a girl.

>>124294921
inb4 Galahad

>>124295670
>implying Kay didn't tell Arthuria about his exploits in pleasuring men

>>124295726
There is nothing more pure than the love between two knights.

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>>124295771

>>124295827
Top: Manwhore
Bottom: Cuck

>>124295623
By buffs he probably meant the mad enhancement, there's nothing else really that buffs the berserker class.
Heracles kind of suffered from the loss of sanity and other NPs (the OP as fuck poison arrows) he could've gotten in other classes, Lancelot was fine because of the eternal arms mastership that kept his skills sharp even through the insanity and little to no loss to his NPs (only for someones glory got nerfed really).
>>124295667
>he couldn't keep up with the Gate of Babylon AS WELL AS HE DID WITH MAD ENHANCEMENT
Don't forget that part. Without it he would've probably needed to go into offence immediately instead of just standing around and waiting for Gilgamesh to fire another barrage.

>>124295886
For One's Glory wasn't nerfed. It's still as good as it is but can't be proficiently used. It itself is normal, just not its user.

>>124295886

I would say the loss of sanity was a buff in Lancelot's case, as he would have lost all his spaghetti the second he saw Saber if he was sane.

>>124292790
It's the bullest shit.

>>124293796
herk got summoned in the west where he got the full boost from his famousness. Then he got shipped to nippon.

>>124295940
Yeah, I worded that poorly. It still works you just need to force it with command spell.

>>124295849
Top: Got rekt
Bottom: Still cuck

>>124294480
>>>why not just hire an anti-mage assassin to fight for them.
That would have totally worked if it wasn't for them fucking the grail in the previous war.

>>124295705
Probably Yvain, I think they mentioned something about Excalibur and a lion.

>>124296045
Gawain died in the battlefield defending his King until Mordred killed him

Lancelot died a hobo

>>124294283
What? The weapons move on their own, it's not Shirou doing the moving.

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>>124295999
Yeah, he would've probably lost by default every time he would've encountered her simply because of the guilt.
With mad enhancement he just loses his shit instead of spaghetti.

>>124296086
>Mordred killed him
All thanks to a wound Lancelot inflicted. Mordred wouldn't have stood a chance against a healthy Gawain.

>>124296090
>"My swords are moving on their own!"

>>124296077
They can add word excalibur to anything as they already did it with Galantine.

>>124296086
My mistake

Top:Got rekt and then finished off by some tranny kingwannabe faggot.
Bottom: Still cuck

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>>124294305
Any stuff on FemShirou and MaleRin?

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>>124296199
They just blank protagonists.

>>124292502
Man you gotta start baiting your hook. Not going to catch anything like this.

>>124296077
>>124296188
Most if not all of the RT knights have a sword made by fairies and fashioned in the same way as Excalibur.

Gawain, Galahad, Lancelot, Bedivere and Bors all owned one while Percival got a spear instead.

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>>124296199
Bloodborne, anon.

>>124296253
So Percival for Lancer?

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>>124296238

>>124294480
>>124294081
no its fucking brilliant. Heracles would fuck them up the ass if he wasnt berzerker. He would be summoned, look around, notice they fuck with ilya and then murder them all. As berzerker he just follows commands, no worries.

>>124296238
So who is Shielder?

>>124296188
>>124296253
Yeah, that is why Yvain fits. And the whole lion thing.

I think that other theory was that he is Richard the Lionheart.

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why was arcueid afraid of aoko when shiki mentioned her? Why would aoko even care about her in the first place and what could she even realistically do to her even if she did hate arcueid?

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>>124296299
Ajax.

>>124296299
One of the Track Girls.

>>124294828
Hitler probably wasn't a magus in the Nasuverse sense, but he was heavily into occultism and the first thing he did whenever he conquered a city was to search in every church and museum for any holy artifact he could find.

>>124296299
We don't know. Maybe her disguise name (Mashu) is a clue.

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>>124296253
They didn't have enough swords so they gave Percival a spear? Oh what a lucky guy he is. Let me guess, he has Irish relatives or something, right?

>'strongest' hero
>dies in less than 10 minutes by just getting spammed spears

Hercules sure is a strong servant guys.

>>124296367
Eh
>Mashu, as described in the Epic of Gilgamesh of Mesopotamian mythology, is a great cedar mountain through which the hero-king Gilgamesh passes via a tunnel on his journey to Dilmun after leaving the Cedar Forest, a forest of ten thousand leagues span.

>>124296382
Any other Servant would have died in 10 seconds.

>>124296369
Percival was the best spearman in Camelot and was King Arthur's greatest fanboy.

>>124296417
I remember Cu survived for about half a day. Protection from Arrows I guess.

>>124296382
He was fighting Gilgamesh and protecting Illya (as Gilgamesh was aiming her all the time).

Also, those swords were all at least A ranked.

>>124296199
>If Shirou and Rin had kids
Seems like we no longer need to use Asuka as a model, type moon delivered.

>>124296382
And the guy that spear-spammed him gets fake sword-spammed. They're all bunch of cheap bastards.

>>124296449
Cu wasn't busy protecting Illya.

>>124296468
They look more like straight genderbends than lovechilds.

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>>124296299

>>124296449
Was Cu protecting Illya?

>>124296479
>>124296511
Naw, Cu wasn't protecting his master. Cu still managed to last longer though.

>>124296504
That was a supposed to answer >>124296461

>>124296535
>wasn't protecting his master
Not comparable to someone actively putting someone else's survivability over their own

>>124295827
Should have used 2HR2 instead.

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>>124296506
>summon Shieldbro as Shielder
>E-rank luck

>>124296504
>>124296573
Well when it comes to anime your daughter and son are either copies of you or genderbent copies most of the time. Tokiomi and Rin for instance.

>>124296652
I think E is too high.

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>>124291477
Liz wears old-fashioned underwear

>>124296657
Yes but design-wise here are just that, genderbents. And I would only say that about the girl.

>>124296710
Nah the guy on the right looks like a mix of Shirou and Toesaka. Or straight up genderbent Toesaka.

>>124296807
It doesn't look that much like Shirou more than the usual Takeuchi sameface. I think he looks more like teen Kerry.

>Shirou and Rin's son
>Unlimited Jewel Sword Works
>EX quality/quantity magic circuits
>Turns into a superhero with Kaleidostick

>>124296887
Teen Kerry has spikier hair and his design is already there.
>>124296887
>Takeuchi sameface.
So?

>>124296911
With unlimited jewel swords they don't even need good circuits.

>>124296911
Don't forget
>EX rank cooking skills

>>124296887
Idiot, those are femShirou and maleAyaka.

>>124297027
It's B+ since Rin can't cook for shit.

>>124294916
It's all still bullshit as fuck.
Nasu never released info data on Caliburn to cover his ass. God Hand makes Heracles immune to everything that killed him previously. Caliburn must have been super extra bullshit to kill him seven times

>>124296911
This sounds perfectly reasonable.

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>>124296699
Can't tell. Need more material to judge

>>124297052
>Rin can't cook for shit.
Read the VN secondary.

>>124297052
u wot m8
They are constantly trying to one up each other

>>124296400
Shielder ero-scene:

>I dive like a mollusk into the tunnel of her great cedar mountain

>>124297052
>Rin can't cook for shit.
Secondary detected.

>>124292914
Caliburn and ExCaliburn are bullshit swords on par with Ea, though.

>>124297052
Isn't she perfect at Chinese or Western?

>>124297088
NEET Liz is best Liz.

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>>124291477
He protected her in HF.
Most loyal servant, would summon.

>>124297062
Nasu already retconned the armor thing down to just an increase in defense against attacks that have hurt him previously (only after he regenerates).It can get up to the point where he's immune but it will take a few deaths to get there.

>>124297043
Just Shirou with black hair and Sacchin.

>>124295623
Lancelot would've been a command spell sink, if you wanted to use For Someone's Glory properly.
He's overall a very strong ordinary servant, on par with Deermud and other "normal" servants.
Without impersonation trickery he can't keep up with monsters like Saibah or Cu or Alex.

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>>124297201
Why am I not surprised.

>>124297213
Shirou and who?

>>124297229
Is Alex strong without his chariot?

>>124297299
Yes IH is pretty good.

>>124297159
>Most loyal servant
>implying Archercles would snap you like a twig and leave you to rot

>>124296338
IS THAT MOTHERFUCKING PROTOTYPE CU IM SEEING

>>124297229
Guy held off Gawain even with the sun boost. Seibah gets fucked.

>>124297326
IH is shit, his chariot is more powerful than this shit

>>124293796
Herac didn't even get any of his toys.
He didn't get the hydra poison.
He didn't get the Olive Branch.
He didn't get the Nemean Lion's Fur.

>>124292331
>Berserker is his worst class
Maybe, but it's class that fits him best.
He is most well known for getting angry and throwing everything away in his rage time and time again.
Every time he was living a happy and fulfilled life, something happened that made him lose it and destroy it all.
Heracles doesn't really make much sense in any class other than Berserker.

>>124296338
kintoki looks like he has boosto

>>124297346
The glorious and shining Sir Gawain was only giving that poor sod a chance, so he wouldn't embarrass himself.
Truly Sir Gawain is the greatest and most righteous knight of them all.

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>>124297229
>Without impersonation trickery he can't keep up with monsters like Saibah or Cu or Alex.
Even without the mad enhancement he's a fucking powerhouse. Alexander would need to pop RM, not sure about Cu (would need to see his stats without the enhancement to judge those two) but he would wipe the floor with Saber. He has the eternal weapon mastership that's given only to the best in his lifetime, during his life he was already superior or at least on par with Saber, not to mention his sword that is pretty much a direct counter to Saber.

>>124297367
Oh look a retard. Having an army of servant tier people is now shit.

>>124297229
>Cant keep up with Saber
He destroys her when they fight.
>Ordinary servant like Diarmud
Nasu mentions that Diarmud can theoretically win the war if he played dirty and used hit and run tactics. But the entire strategy pretty much relies on letting Lancelot beat the shit out of everyone.

>>124297419
Gawainposter, my arch enemy! We meet again!

>>124297378
I would say that he's most famous for his twelve works. People know that he was strong, a demi god and did super human things. Not many people know that he killed his family.

>>124297456
>But the entire strategy pretty much relies on letting Lancelot beat the shit out of everyone.
Which means Diarmud is just an ordinary Servant. I don't even know why you felt the need to point that out.

>>124297419
He still got beat by Lancelot's bastard child even when he had Numeral of the Saint active.

>>124297497
it was more a point against the Lancelot is a Ordinary servant thing, i could have quoted it a little better.

what is even a ordinary hero?
doesnt even makes sense

>>124297419
Fuck off Gawain and crawl back to your ded bros.

>>124294017
>>124293963
>>124293887

That's retarded as fuck since that means Shirou can now trance an infinite amount of fucking Fragaraches making him the strongest master since ever

>>124297426
>Alex
pops RM, soldiers dogpile Lance, Lance dies.

>Cu
Yeah, no way he could take him on.

>>124297456
>He destroys her when they fight.
>he would wipe the floor with Saber
He kept up after having all of his stats increased by two with his sword and Mad Enhancement.

>>124296338
O woe befall upon me! For the longest of times I hath anticipated the arrival of the strongest and most loyal of knights yet foul magicks have sullied such arrival.

Mine rage knoweth no boundaries, yet I must clear my mind and I shall try again.

A true Servant worthy of his Master's crest combats his foes in the art of swordplay and not with devilish trickery!

>>124297534
Lancelot is a strong servant, but he's not in the same league as most of the 4th and 5th war servants.
He's in Diarmud's league, probably on top of it too.

>>124297456
>Nasu mentions that Diarmud can theoretically win the war if he played dirty and used hit and run tactics.
and Gilgamesh would theoretically win the war if he give a shit.

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>>124297605
So, who is she? Wields the 'Sword of God' right?

>>124296238
Kouhai without her glasses is not kouhai.

>>124297472
>he's most famous for his twelve works
>Not many people know that he killed his family.


How people could know one but not another?

>>124292502
ii?

>>124297664
I think it's the sword of the god of war.

>>124297645
>403
Way to go

>>124297684
Because when people talk about Hercules they talk about how he got the golden apple or how he carried the earth for Atlas or the river and stable thing. I don't know many people who know the full details of his legend.

>>124297645
People already drawing FemShirou? That was fast.

>>124297574
>kept up
You're making it sound like it she wasn't literally pounded into the ground.

And the thing with Cu is that Lancelot is superior in stats, assuming that the shown stats are his mad enhanced, which is basically what he would have if he was normal but with Arondight out. With extra saving throws, protection of the fairies and not a shitty luck stat he is pretty much guaranteed to survive gae bolg. It's stupid to say that he would cetrainly win, but to say that he wouldn't even pose a threat is equally stupid.

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>>124297664
Heimdall or something different rainbow shit. There is a snow in her trailer so must be scandinavian.

>>124297052
Rin's a better cook than shirou and sakura

>>124297664
Joyeuse, Charlemagne's sword, was said to change colours (rainbow sword).
The Sword of Attila was also known as the sword of Charlemagne at one point.
She is quoted saying "i hold the power of a god of war in my hands" (or something like that)
The Sword of Attila is also called the Sword of Mars, aka the Roman God of War.

She is genderbent Attila the Hun.

>>124297794
>not riding an elephant

Shit

>>124297794
God fucking damn it

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>>124297767
Rainbow sword and a place with snow.

>>124297794
Sounds logical

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>>124297088
Sella is better in regards of looks.

>>124297794
JAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>124296365
Wasn't that Himler?

>>124297820
Since when do the Hun ride elephants?

>>124297832
>Rainbow sword
Looks like rainbow dildo.

>>124297574
>He kept up
The wounds that Berserker had inflicted on her were beyond that which could be cured by her regenerative abilities. The once shining platinum armor was also stained black in places by Berserker’s countless attacks. Her bloodless skin was white as paper. Her knees were weak, her ankles trembled, her breathing was rapid; with every step, pain wracked her entire body, almost making her lose consciousness

He wiped the floor with her.

>>124297794
I expected as much.

>>124297832
She kind of looks like an Inuit or some other Native American

>>124297869
If anything they're known for Archery on horseback.

>>124297850
Says who?

>>124297850
By a massive margin.

>>124297869
I mistook her for Hannibal

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>>124297912
Whoever have eyes, I guess.

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At least Buzakah was lucky in one way.

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>>124297954
So not Illya, huh?

>>124291477
That's not even a matter of Nasu faux stats op.
when was the last time you saw a big guy win something in anime? they're just a pile of meat put there to make the twink on shift look a badass.

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>>124297954
So Liz?

>>124297969
Interesting
Will this get scanned?

>>124297969
That is some really nice artwork

>>124297969
What the fuck?

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>>124297984
Oh, look - It's a bully Gill.

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>>124298027
EX
RANK
DENSITY

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>>124297969
Those tits are way too big to be Rin's.

>>124297767
Heimdall is neither a war-god nor has he anything to do with rainbows besides guarding Bifröst
Not being a wargod is extremly rare for Norse gods

So the anime excuse for why Gil isn't using his armor is because it got destroyed in F/Z? Wouldn't that mean that Fate and HF 4th war was completely different?

>>124297764
>With extra saving throws, protection of the fairies and not a shitty luck stat he is pretty much guaranteed to survive gae bolg
You are retarded.
Also RUNES

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>>124297794
>Attila
>not a Rider

>>124298123
He is not using it for the same reason he didn't in UBW. Because he wants.

>>124298104
I am still right. Liz>Sella

>>124298123
>So the anime excuse for why Gil isn't using his armor is because it got destroyed in F/Z?
What? Source? I don't remember that being the reason he didn't use his armor.

>>124298123
Or he just doesn't use it in HF.

>>124298086
Sella's so cute in this show.

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>>124298027
Before ufotable's UBW, you'd've been right.

>>124298123
In UBW he's dealing with women and children. Not worth it

>>124298123
He tapped into his inner slav and doesn't want to wear his armor anymore

China is planing to make a live action plagiarized version of F/SN. I hope the project pans out.

>>124298123
There was no excuse. Actually the only reason he uses it in Fate is because he knows that he'll be fighting Caster and Saber. His armor is completely useless against Berserker and he was was mockingly visiting Sakura in HF, I doubt he expected a fight.

>>124298168

Actually it's because he really likes the slavshit tracksuit, apparently.
He got it disinfected after Shinji touched it and getting Cu's funeral ashes on it was enough to spoil his mood and make him not slaughter Shirou.

>>124298209
What about Berserker?

>>124298136
Man, you sure showed me.
I guess that's that, moving on...

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>>124296299
>>124296338

>>124298280
Never ever

>>124298263
They better make a game with the same fate concept.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culture_heroes

Look at how any possible cool Servants here.

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>>124298027
>>124298204
>You'll never princess carry Sella away to a happy life together

It gets harder to find reasons to live each and every single day

>>124298276
See >>124298264. His armour probably wouldn't be able to stop one of Berserker's hits.

>>124298294
It shows that you have no clue how Gae Bolg works.

>>124298191
Mud destroys the armor at the end of F/Z, that's why he naked.

>>124298276
Children.
He targeted Ilya, so Berserker couldn't do anything but make rounds around her and getting butchered.

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>>124298123

The inner slav demanded it.

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>>124298309
She used her NP in a teaser.

>>124296479
>>124296511
He was under the effects of a command spell that makes him hold back in every fight against a new opponent.

>>124298263
How is copyright law not internationally enforced? It's retarded that it isn't considering we live in a completely globalized society where the internet exists.

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>>124298334
>Germanicus never
>Scipio Africanus never
>Julius Caesar never

>>124298191
That's because it didn't happen
>>124298395
The armor didn't get destroyed though, he uses it in Fate and HF.

>>124298441
Nero was a shit

Caesar, Marcus Aurelius and Aeneas will be shit too

>>124298417
Who the fuck is Shielder, a guess or something.

At least we know that Noto Saber is Atilla or Charlemagne.

>>124298443
>he uses it in Fate and HF.
Different universes. The ending of the 4th war was different in Deen's anime and yes it still counts because Nasu wrote it.

>>124298280
Flatt's always so happy, it's great.

They should've let him summon Godzilla as a Servant like he wanted.

>>124298469
Aeneas would probably be a Saber clone giving the logic in Historia Regum Britanniae linking both figures.

>>124298494
Nah, you can chalk it up to Gil loving his slavsuit in UBW and underestimating his enemies.

>>124298469
>thinking that Germanicus it's Nero

When someone it's talking about Germanicus, they are usually talking about the Roman general that destroyed the barbar tribes in Germania.

>>124298494
>because Nasu wrote it.
But he didn't.

>>124298494
Literally nothing you said is correct.

>>124298441
I can't wait for more little blonde girls.

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>>124298473
They actually can be anybody. I remember how everyone tried to guess original of CCC Lancer and nobody guessed it.

>>124298123
>Why doesn't Gil...
Because he doesn't give a fuck.

Literally any dumb as question about Gilgamesh can be answered this way.

>>124298574
He did the same way he is doing it with this adaptation.

>>124298544
You mean the guy who got ordered back because he didn't make any significant progress?

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>>124298536
What about this outfit?

>>124298420
The same command spell that told him to survive?

>>124298681
Those are fishen clothes.

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>>124298334
Why the fuck Kayneth summoned Diarmuid when he could have summoned his boss? It is as if instead of summoning the main figure in the mythic cycle you summon one of the support characters.

>>124298645
Also the same guy that had the respect of his troops and was sent in Asia to weaken his influence but still racked up victories. Also

>recovering 2 of the 3 lost legion eagles
>a failure

>>124298590
Nasu wrote all the anime original shit in Deen's abomination. You may not like it because it sucked but he had plenty of involvement.

>>124298615

Because how the fuck is Elizabeth Bathory a Lancer, anyway?

>>124298715
Well his number one catalyst got stolen.

The real question is why he tried to summon mediocre ass heroes in the first place.

Or better yet why he didn't summon a Japanese hero since they are fighting in Japan.

>yfw Gil loses to Shirou

>>124298786
You can't summon japanese heroes

>>124298715
Why is Alba there?
Is he raiding Kayneth's chocolate stash?

>>124297850
no-tits loving loser

>>124298807
'cuz of divinity?

>>124298027
Of course

>>124298786
>mediocre ass heroes
>Iskander
Nope.

>>124298841
Because it's not normally possible to do in the fuyuki grail war

>>124298785
She is also a Berserker at one point.

>>124298715

One of the support characters who, what, killed 3500 people in one day?
Diarmuid was pretty ballin' in his myth. But he would probably be better as a Saber instead of Lancer. Moralltach was supposed to always succeed in its first combat, so that basically means a guaranteed victory in round 1 at least.

>>124298841
Because they're OP in Japan.

>>124298086
what if he said 'Sella'?

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>>124298810
Liz is cute and have nice tits, but Sella still looks better.

>>124298786
He wanted a Saibah with two swords
>He also qualifies for the Saber class, and he would use the two magical swords Moralltach (モラルタ, ?) and Beagalltach (ベガルタ, ?) as his Noble Phantasms. Kayneth's original expectations may have been to have summoned him as Saber.
But he got Lancer with two spears.

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>>124298797
>mfw Shirou fucks Gil up with his dick still wet from Tohsaka juices

>>124298841
No, it's because the Grail is a western concept and the Fuyuki grail is limited in the servants it can summon.

>>124298854
Iskander is the definition of a mediocre hero.

>>124298867
>>124298887
It's against the rules to summon heroes in their homelands, huh? Do they get a power boost?

>>124298895
>124298104
Sella is only maid material, Liz brings the full package

>>124298836
What is that? A mad tea party?

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>>124298797
Can't wait for secondary tears

>>124298890
She would have hit him or something she is a generic tsuntsun.

>>124298836
Jekyll is actually a pretty chill dude

>>124298941
There's no rule. It's just "Holy Grail is a Western Concept so no Eastern Heroes", according to Nasu.

Kojiro doesn't count because he's not even an HS.

Also Moon Cell doesn't have that restriction because it's moon cell. And Koha-Ace doesn't because it's Kohaku's crazy hilarious pipe dream.

>>124298941
No it isn't. It's just that Japanese heroes aren't compatible with the holy grail concept as per Nasu's word. Sasaki was summoned by Caster by manipulating the rules and he had no wish.

>>124298924
You are retarded, but you are probably just a hater. If anything take it to Nasu who says he is a strong hero.

>>124298715
>>124298884
Well yeah, all the Fianna were pretty ballin' by feats. Still, I think he could have chosen better.

And why is Fionn even brown haired? I suppose it is due ufotable not doing research, but I will try to handwave it with that story about Fionn losing his fair hair due to a curse and everything going downhill after it.

>>124298989
Jekyll and the Legumancer are one of my favorite teams, honestly. They're just a lot of fun.

>>124298941
Yes. As a general principle, the closer the Servant is to its homeland, and the more famous the Servant is in the place where it was summoned, the more powerful the Servant gets.

>>124298924
Iskandar is a serious "all or nothing" hero. When he wins, he wins hard and the opponent has no chance to even scratch him.
When he loses, it's a disgrace because his big flashy EX rank NP accounted for nothing.

>>124298941
>>124298999
Is just that Nasu doesn't want chinese or japanese heroes in normal situations.

>>124299072
>When he loses, it's a disgrace because his big flashy EX rank NP accounted for nothing.
He lost against Gil, and every hero looks like a disgrace next to him.