Trigger vs Shaft

>>122945186
SHAFT made Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.

Therefore SHAFT > Trigger

>>122945242
/thread

>>122945186
This thread is dumb
>KLK
>legendary
Come on, it's easily forgettable.

Also, stop toting inferno cop as a great anime, it was a cheap anime made for cheap laughs, nothing more.

Shaft = anime as a product
Trigger = anime as an artform

A-team SHAFT > TRIGGER > B-team SHAFT.

It's hard to actually compare them yet. Trigger has like three anime so far

>>122945485
Feel free to count TTGL, FLCL, RE:Cutie Honey and Panty & Stocking into Trigger.

Basically the same guys.

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>>122945527
No because that's Gainax.

That isn't Trigger, What a fucking dumb thread.

>>122945408
>Come on, it's easily forgettable.
The fun fact is that haters never forget to remarkable that is forgettable. Kind of ironic.

>>122945527
>Feel free to count TTGL, FLCL, RE:Cutie Honey and Panty & Stocking into Trigger.

No, that's riding in Gainax's cottails, budget and even staff from there.

>>122945588
Trigger carry the essence of GAINAX during those years.

I suggest you go to sleep.

>>122945527

Don't be stupid.

Those are all Gainax.

SHAFT made Monogatari
Trigger made KLK

So Trigger > SHAFT

>>122945242
>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
Inferior to the manga.

>>122945607
This isn't necessarily "which studio has the better shows".

That's an important factor, but it's also the staff they're comprised of. Trigger was formed by the guys who did those Gainax Anime, and therefore, those should factor in to a certain extent.

>>122945626
>Trigger carry the essence of GAINAX during those years.


No.

Trigger only carry a portion of the essence of Gainax. Studio Khara being the others carrying other portion. And current Gainax has the lefovers.

>>122945693
>anime is inferior to its source
Wow, thanks anon I didn't realize that.

Mappa

>>122945588
>Ship of Theseus
Go read a fucking book, Lelouche

>>122945718
So what? Shaft now also isn't the same Shaft from 10 years ago.

You people really need to study philosophy. It's like I'm talking to a classroom of children.

>>122945599
>people that don't like thing have similar reasons to not like It
No shit
>It's not thing that's flawed, it's them
Fucking idiot.

Kyoani

Actually it's pretty obvious Shaft is the best studio

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>>122945791
>KLK
>Flaws

>>122945186
Isn't TRIGGER working on some new series right now that might very well be the second saving of anime as we know it?
If based TRIGGER can deliver they are sure to assume legendary status.

>>122945846
Nice try, different IP.

>>122945751
True.

>>122945186
lelrandom trash vs pretentious trash

>>122945702

OP, I understand what you say, but you are still essentially comparing both Shaft and Trigger as studios.


Trigger has their own distinct style from Gainax now.

Kill la Kill it's not an anime Studio Gainax would have done. The nearest thing would be TTGL, and still, Imaishi was being monitored and whiped by his superiors to not go too crazy. Also, the budget.

Hideaki Anno was also part in Re:Cutey Honey and KareKano where Imaishi was doing his forte: animation. But those areall Gainax, not Trigger.

>>122945186
They are both shitty Studios that need to die for anime's future .

not a trigger fag but Shaft is pretentious garbage

>>122945952
>Imaishi was being monitored and whiped by his superiors to not go too crazy.
[citation needed]

>>122945893
btw I suck 3dpd cock

>>122945186

You forgot to mention how Shaft is the most talented studio around when it comes to animation

>>122945751
>buttmad shaft stroker detected
Based Kyoani have improved on nearly every source material they have adapted. That's what actual good studios do.

Trigger, KLK is one of the best animes in the history.

Meanwhile, Shaft makes moeshit like madoka, monogatari, Hidamari and Szs...

>>122945771
>So what? Shaft now also isn't the same Shaft from 10 years ago.


As in "Pre-Shimbo Shaft" "Shimbo Shaft" and "Post-Shimbo Shaft"? Sure, but they were still Shaft.

Trigger is still relatively a brand new studio that need to make more brands on their own.

>>122946162
And what do you know, it's still shit.

>>122946162
>That's what actual good studios do.
You mean take irredeemable pieces of shit and polish it until it looks worthwhile? When you're at the bottom, nowhere to go but up.

>>122946172
>shitposting with the truth
/a/ has ascended into post-modernism. It's about time, guys.

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>>122946172
have a reply cause I think you're cute

>>122945186
>legendary kill la kill
Fucking triggerniggers, I hope you all die drowned in a pile of shit.

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>>122945186
I almost said SHAFT, but the only thing they have going for them is Aoki Ume and whatever she's involved with. They handle adaptations of certain works okay for the most part, but I'd have trouble giving anything I loved willingly to them. Almost every one of their works feel the same thanks to them using the same tired ass angles for the past forever.

Trigger has Inferno Cop and Little Witch Academia, and while Kill la Kill was a huge disappointment for me, I was certainly more entertained by it than most of what SHAFT puts out. Plus, they actually animate something other than a neck tilt every now and then.

Hidamari Sketch is the greatest SOL of all time

>>122945186
Are we making daily comparison threads now?
Kill yourself.

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>>122946339
>mfw Yoshinari makes a moeshit SoL with Nakashima writing the characters.
please happen

>>122945186
Why do you keep making these threads? The only god one so far was Madhouse vs Sunrise. These matchups are just stupid.

>>122946197
>anything by kyoani
>shit
0/10 you're just butthurt
>>122946206
Exactly. They can make literally anything look great.

>>122946339
>Little Witch Academia,

Speaking of that, did they show anything about the new LWA2?

anyone have that pic of Yunocchi and a text "nothing happens in your life"?

>Trigger
Generally shit in every regard
>SHAFT
Made several fantastic anime between 2006-2010, unleashed many great directions upon the world, and created the first megahit of the 2010s

I'm gonna go with Shaft.

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>>122946460
>The only god one so far was Madhouse vs Sunrise.
But Madhouse died ages ago while Sunrise is still Sunrise its a no brainer

>>122946481
Sure, I mean it looks nice, but we all know it's actually shit.

>>122946684
Just like SHAFT shows.

>>122946717
Hence why Trigger wins and it's no contest.

>>122946665
I agree, but comparing their older works is still interesting.

>>122945626
Eat my fucking ass michael

>>122945186
Trigger has done nothing remotely good while SHAFT makes even the shittiest source material someone engaging, ie Kofuku Graffiti

>>122946965
>air fellatio
>ugly food
>retarded characters and interactions
>bad direction
>engaging

>>122945440
B8

>>122947019
Why are you listing KyoAni practices?

>>122945186
I want to believe this is bait, but the summary style makes me suspect you're just a reddit faggot who's been watching anime for two years.
>>122946965
>Koufuku Graffiti
>engaging
It's one of the most boring shows I've ever seen.

>>122945527

>TTGL, FLCL, RE:Cutie Honey and Panty & Stocking

All of those are far better than KLK. Imaishi is shit without Gainax

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>>122946339
>Hidamari Sketch is the greatest SOL of all time

>mwfw when this is true

>>122945771
> You people really need to study philosophy
Try reading Quine, you il/lit/erate faggot. Madhouse doesn't get to take credit for Lain or Haibane Renmei. Gainax doesn't get roasted for 3.0. Guilty Crown is not on WIT's guilty conscience. Trigger did not make FLCL.

>>122947187
Of course it's bait.

Everything that even mentions Trigger in a positive light is literally just an excuse for people to post
>Trigger has done literally nothing good. Everything they make is a poorly flash animation puppet show
for 200+ posts

>>122945186
>Natsu no Arashi
>successful

Both seasons averaged under a thousand sales. It's the least successful SHAFT production of all time other than REC.

Jc staff is the best

>>122945186
>Trigger
>essence of FLCL
>implying the essence of FLCL wasn't Evangelion

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>>122945186
SHAFT all the way, baby.

I hope a new Panty and Stocking special will come soon form the Trigger Studio.

>>122947731
Weird, it's almost as if people who like talking about animation studios have no idea what they're talking about. Surely OP just made an error.

>>122947853
Imaishi is working on a new anime, but PSG is impossible.

PSG is in copyright hell.

>>122945186
KLK is overrated as fuck. Little Witch Academia was a masterpiece so I'll give that one to Trigger. Everything else is just there.

Overall, Shaft just has more on the table. It's an unfair comparison. You're comparing what Trigger MIGHT become as opposed to what SHAFT is and has.

>>122947446
I really like Hidamari, but your wrong.
Best SoL is either Mushishi or Aria

>>122947941
>You're comparing what Trigger MIGHT become as opposed to what SHAFT is and has.

This. If you're gonna keep making these threads choose studios that have similar sized portfolios. And it's really fucking stupid to put Trigger into one of these when they've only done two TV series and a couple OVAs.

>>122948035
>mushishi
>SoL

Trigger pls...

>>122949456

>pls
>...

>>122949511
Problem officer?

They're both total shit but Shaft is infinitely worse

>>122945186
What's better for someone that likes cakes, a cake or a cardboard cutout of a cake?

After Ghibli's death there is no studio left that consistently produces good anime, at least until Yuasa and Hosoda manage to get their studios off the ground

>>122946172
I actually laughed out loud.

>>122946665

>Mad house died ages ago while Sunrise has always been shit

FTFY

TRIGGER FTW

>>122950329
>Ghibli's death
literally what. Anno will take over it after the old fart dies.
its beyond obvious at this point

>>122945186
Trigger are lazy fucks who gave up on originality once KLK failed miserably.

At least SHAFT can stick to their own style.

Their both meme studios.

>>122945242
Seriously, though, this should have been /thread.

SHAFT.
They did more shows and have some good ones.

Trigger barely made one and it's average at best.

It's a boring comparison anyway.

>powerpoint animation vs flash animation

Both are SHIT

Why don't you guys, like, have animator wars instead of studio generalizations where different staff is involved in certain anime?

>>122945859
>klk
>repetitive plot
>repetitive animation
>stupid puns
there ya go

SHAFT because drugs, OP's and Gekidan Inu Curry.

>>122945859
Correct. KlK is itself a single big flaw for animation as whole.

>>122946172
>madoka
>monogatari
>szs
>moeshit
please kill yourself.

>>122950623
Who do you think hires the staff, faggot?

>>122950713
>Gekidan Inu Curry
why they're so awesome anyway. they do other stuff outside anime?

>>122950550
ping pong was made with flash and it's aoty 2014, but that's only because Yuasa is a genius

>>122950749
How can you not think of Madoka as moeshit. Look at the fucking character models.

>>122950779
What you guys do all the time is the same shit as debating over which book publisher is the best. Protip: It may matter, but it'll probably be much more interesting to talk about the writer.

>>122951094
>basing a show based on the character design.
yeah right, faggot. It is so moe when it get so fucking depressing for a second.

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>>122945186
>legendary Kill la Kill
You know what sold 60k copies and is one of the best selling anime after 2000? Not KLK.

>>122951199
the only reason otaku faggots find it depressing is because bad things are happening to moeshit characters

>>122951288
keion?

>>122945186
Mappa

>>122951406
>nothing but flops
>their only non flop anime are randumb shorts with klk tier animation

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>122945186
Shaft is better.

>>122950657
>repetitive animation
I don't like KLK as well, but what the fuck does that even mean?

>>122951576
recycled animation

>>122951288
Popularity =/= quality. KLK is pretty hated on /a/ even though it's one of the best anime to come out this decade.

>>122951631
>even though it's one of the best anime to come out this decade
It really isn't though. Just try watching episodes 8-18 again. Just try to me you didn't have the urge to quit the series during this terribly paced episodes.

>>122951294
I don't know, anon.
Madoka's character designs never meant any moe in my life. They are just Shaft's usual thing.

>>122951576
reused animated frames. They are so obvious in klk. Only retarded faggots aren't able to spot them.

SZS > Trigger animes > Shaft animes >>>>>>>>>>Madoka Mashitka

>>122951699
Those episode were great. If there were some episodes that had problems it would be the first six.

>>122951631
>Popularity =/= quality
Obviously since KLK actually sold 10k, can you imagine something with the same production value let's say World Break this season selling 10k? Also it's not top50 maybe not even top100.

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For me, it's Trigger

Intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor.

>>122952033
Nice one.
But look at what 1 got

>>122946965

I'm pretty sure KG source material is 100 times better than the borefest SHAFT shat out.

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SHAFT wins out for me, but that's probably the nostalgia talking. I couldn't care less about the Monogatari stuff they've been pumping out recently.

>>122952030
>intelligent
define "intelligent".

All that "Kiru" la "Kiru" puns were obvious if you understand basic moonrunes.

>>122952030
>intelligent

0/10

>>122945186
It's this thread again. Same style as before, the titles are once again google results and not insight on what /a/ talks about. OP is obviously getting paid for this. Why are the janitors doing nothing? SHAFT is my favourite studio though

Dubs are more intresting than the rest of this thread

>>122945527
>Re: Cutie Honey
>Anno and Imaishi team up to do an ecchi OVA animated by Toei

I don't know what insane genieus thought that was a good idea, but I want to have their children

>>122952118
>>122952217
Every time. Every fucking time. Every time someone replies to this shit unironically.

>>122950396

You are beyond retarded at this point

>>122952118
>>122952217
If you don't accept Kill la Kill as high art, then you are an insufferable human being, and are not fit to have an opinion on anime as an artform anyway. Stick to trashy fanservice, and drop the pretension of knowing what you'e talking about. Thanks in advance!

>>122952344
Nive repeating digits

>>122945186
Shaft made Madoka
Shaft made Monogatari
Shaft made Maria Holic
ect.

Shaft >>>>>>> Trigger

>>122946206
To be fair thats exactly what Shaft did with Moon Phase

>>122952520
Kill la Kill is better than all of these. Madoka is a 7/10 tops and has horrible characters outside of Madoka and her mother.

>>122952360
>implying klk has no fanservice
kill yourself
>high art
all that smooth animation doesn't magically turns it into a highly respectable piece of artwork. The damn thing is so fucking repetitive in term of plot and animation itself, the only innovative was the "clothing" theme. What in the actual fuck, anon.

Trigger clearly has no clue how to manage their time, money, and human resources compared to how Gainax could right up until their departure.

Shaft is just cheap as fuck and you suckers lap up their nearly 100% CGI but for the characters themselves productions.

>>122948035
I'm sorry but everyone knows its Yuyushiki

>>122952520
>Shaft made a bunch of awful garbage
>better than anything

>Trigger
Slideshow that looks like shit.

>SHAFT
Slideshow that looks good.

Tough call.

Old Gainax > pre 2012 Shaft > Trigger > current Shaft > current Gainax

>>122952360
>high art
/r/ that webm of Satsuki running up a wall in CGI

>>122952578
>>122952578
Animation is the weakest of KLK's strengths.

Nakashima is a brilliant playwright, and his script is full of thematic metaphor and driven by a strong leitmotif that is never compromised.

>>122950396
Thats pants on head retarded. Still

>Evangelion 4.0 by Ghibli

Now THATS something I want to see

>>122952633
>anime about an autist and her two dolls
>best SOL
It's actually Kin'iro

I've given it a lot of thought and the best anime Shaft ever made is Popotan

Kill la Kill is too intelligent for /a/. They notice wordplay and think they have it all figured out, then completely embarrass themsleves by saying the direction ever changed or the plot was ever subverted.

Most anon see fast paced action and titilating fanservice and are too shallow to notice the depth that lurks underneath.

Kill la Kill is a masterpiece. Shaft has never made a respectable piece of art. Madoka was a nice attempt, but its characters were too weak to carry it, and the art was pretentious. The symbolism was shallow and was never referenced in the structure of the narrative.

Suckyuki Shitbo was only any good when he did porn

>>122952680
>metaphor
Nah, I don't even feels that way.
It's the thing when you can actually understand 切る(or 斬る) and 着る moonrunes stands for. The whole thing basically revolves around these two words. No metaphor whatsoever, anon.

>>122952680
>implying KlK's animation is a strength
Retard.

>>122952831
I know you're trolling but Gen Urobuchi actually is a bad pretentious writer

>>122952831
What are you doing on /a/, roriconfan?

>>122952874
>No metaphor whatsoever
Like I assumed, /a/ is too unintelligent for Kill la Kill.

The "stage" is a metaphor that is constantly referenced.

>>122952914
Stop posting. You're like an irritating fly on the wall.

>>122952831
>comparing wordplays by Nisio to that of klk.
What in the actual fuck?

>>122952971
You're overrating KlK almost as much as some people overrate Utena

>>122953008
There's nothing even remotely clever in bakamonofaggotry

>>122952971
>klk
>not for unintelligent people
You are trying to delve deeper into something that is very shallow. What the fuck, anon. Do you even read what I've posted earlier?

At this point, I know you are just baiting me, but who the cares anyway.

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>>122952927
Well he's the best SHAFT has ever had at their disposal, which is why they can never enter the realm of Trigger and make a hollistic work of high art.

>>122953036
You simply don't understand it because you're a shallow individual. You didn't even recognize the metaphor of the stage, and you probably don't even know the driving force of the red string of fate, which is tied into 'life-fiber' and the 'heart' of the Kamui which functions on a blood bond and thrives when fear is left behind and the stage is taken with confidence and resolve.

You are a basic bitch.

>>122953126
Imaishi anime has wide appeal. The fact that you think the two are mutually exclusive shows your complete and utter lack of intelligence.

>>122947446
>Hidamari
>not Soredemo
/a/ has shit taste as always

>>122952971
>Literal autism
Not because of the stupidity of the post, but for shallowness of the troll. If you want to troll here, you need to make your post longer & be more provocative.

>>122952104
> I couldn't care less about the Monogatari stuff they've been pumping out recently.
Fuck why is this shit series so popular? Is it simply because of the waifus?

Shit has no story.

>>122953201
lol, it's so obvious you went to reddit, picked up what some retards were saying about the show, and spouting them here.

Epic Fail.

>>122953086
I'm surprised that you could find any "clever" or any other similar word in the post I have posted.

Kiru wordplay or puns in klk characters' names are not "clever" too. They were too obvious, anon.
Please enlighten me with the metaphors you got in klk, because believe me, it has nothing pertaining to that.

>>122953201
buzzword now is intelligence.
Shoot more, anon.

>>122953324
base sensory stimulation, otaku jokes and of course waifus

I can't stand this long fucking joke /a/ has where they pretend SHAFT is smart.

Trigger has animators at the apex of technique ever pioneered in the medium, and the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet.

SHAFT and Trigger are not comparable. SHAFT makes products to be sold, Trigger creates high art they love with the freedom they gained from leaving Gainax.

Is this a legit shitposting thread or is /a/ one step away from becoming reddit/tumbr?

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>>122953494
>has animators at the apex of technique ever pioneered in the medium
>the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet

This thread is poe's law incarnated. Ever since the first post this fucker made it was obvious he was trolling.

>Comparing these two

Why would anyone do that?

Trigger is still way too new to even start a fair comparison to anything.

>>122953449
I watched a whole season and thought it was boring, pandering shit.

Fuck has no story and stupid jokes.Horrendous pacing. Absolute waste of time. "The reason why anime is shit" is pretty much because shows like these exist.

Katanagatari on the other hand...Oh wait, it's not made by SHAFT lel

>>122953495
There's been somewhat of a raid over the last month or so. I'm pretty sure it's reddit, at least in this case. The guy troll-advocating Kill la Kill is using reddit logic.

>>122953622
What about SHAFT vs it's and J.C. Staff offspring?

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>>122953494
>the writer for Kill la Kill is a seasoned playwright and brilliant poet

>>122953669
It's a character driven drama like most anime. The focus is on the character's themselves, their growth, and their interactions.

>>122953579
You don't see Disney or Pixar fawning over the opportunity to meet SHAFT animators. This is because they're not notable.

The staff on Trigger are the best in animation history. Imaishi, Sushio, Yoshinari, Amemiya, Hori and Ootsuka.

The only other studio within SPITTING distance of Trigger is Khara. Not Ghibli. Khara.

>>122953734
Too bad the characters are fucking awful

>>122953494
Shaft is not smart. Granted Trigger has quality animators but they just do not have the budget to go create another popular pop-culture shit in anime industry because of their tight budget and funding, until they went cheapskate and keep reusing the same animated frames over and over again in a series they produced.

Also, Shaft's recent anime are mostly made to promote books and boost the sales (except Madoka of course). The sequels were just to ride the popularity until original source materials ended.

>>122953789
>budget
There you go again. There were gorgeous scenes in Saki animated by a single guy, and the studio was almost dying back then. Money doesn't excuse bad animation.

>>122953734
>character growth
>Bakemonogatari
Honestly though, I didn't see much growth in the characters. The waifus all overcome their "dillemas", but Araragi is still pretty much a self-insert a Marty Stu, and I don't think he's ever gone though any development arc at all.

Plus perhaps the only remotely interesting character LEAVES. Fuck Bakemonogatari.

The drama is also very dragging. 3 episodes to complete one character? What the hell.

>>122953742
having best animators and best screenwriter doesn't guarantee quality animated series or film overall. Look at Dennou Coil, the animation was superb but that cliche ending made it a total garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPxDmG4VHE

I love Shaft's "unique" art style/direction.

>>122953937
Dennou Coil has a nice visual style but is otherwise completely unmemorable, except for a couple parts like virtual beard and completely gratuitous spanking scene with closeup of little boy's butt

>>122953862
This has to be bait. If you really can't see the character growth then you must be mentally retarded. And 3 episodes to complete a character arc is pretty standard for harems.

>>122953823
It does when some cleanup artists fucked up with the layouts and in betweens. They need to use resource, for example money, to fund electricity usage and hardware for the department.

>>122953343
You're taking like the monogatari series is deep and symbolic, I've got news for you son it's not

>>122953823
Not a single cut in Saki is on a level with what you see in Kill la Kill. Trigger is a master of their art.

Also the best cut in Evangelion was done by Imaishi.

>>122953937
Finally a good response rather than the typical dicksucking. I agree, but I feel like your point doesn't apply to Kill la Kill, as it's script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works in anime history.

Dennou Coil did disappoint me, but I can't say I was expecting anything from the story. It was just a really nice premise that allowed the world to come to life in an interesting way. One of my favorite anime, but not because of its writing.

>>122953742
Hey bud I too can throw names here and there while spouting bullshit to people that know better but that could make look retarded, why would I want to look like one?

>>122953862
I don't know, anon. I can totally see the character growth whatsoever. If you are to rebut my point you will have to need to read the books to get my point entirely because you seem too retarded to swallow a simple story with dragged conversations.

>>122953734
People give Bakemonogatari too much credit. In fact, it's pretty much SHAFTs cash cow at this point.

SHAFT were far better as in-betweeners for various other productions and when they made their own, non-adopted content (Soredemo notwithstanding). They seem to suffer from QUALITY most of the time though with the ridiculous BluRay reedits, and its not even small things but glaringly big mistakes, and the occasional weird choice of edits.

Trigger on the other hand is still brand spanking new. They made Little Witch Academia, KlK, and some in-between animation here and there plus some adaptations I don't even care about. Too me they are waaaay too fresh to be compared to SHAFT, not to mention I think their time is quite smaller than SHAFTs. If they want to become GAINAX 2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ANIMATE then they need to get that guy Akia who left Gainax during the Gurren Lagaan 4th episode scandal.

So yeah, Mangoes and Oranges, with a very unripe orange at that.

>>122954067
>Not a single cut in Saki is on a level with what you see in Kill la Kill. Trigger is a master of their art.
I never implied that. I'm just criticizing how /a/ loves pulling out the "budget" card but the guy made a semi-reasonable explanation.

>>122954076
>that could make look retarded, why would I want to look like one?
Two reasons

One: Because you're a fucking coward and not even anonymity could hide the shame of your public humiliation

Two: You actually have no clue what you're talking about, so if you did anything but reload the thread and shitpost, you'd have to qualify your opinions and wouldn't be able to.

>>122954034
Again, where in the actual fuck I mentioned Monogatari in that post you quoted, faggot?
Also, I have read most of the books and I realized it isn't that deep nor symbolic, but to compare it to klk, that is just way beyond retarded. Nisio got a rep in deep mindfuck stories anyway.

>>122954067
>Dennou Coil did disappoint me
>Kill la Kill script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works
KEK DUBS LEL XD FEELS SADFROG > SAUCE /POL/ REDDIT TUMBRL PENGUIN OF DOOM DEESU

>>122954265
Oh yeah. That's easily one of the trashiest talking points /a/ has. Limited animation in the hands of real talent doesn't cost a lot of money. Basic, high framerate animation like hair blowing in the wind is more expensive.

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>>122954067
>Also the best cut in Evangelion was done by Imaishi.

>Kill la Kill, as it's script was one of the more brilliant and inventive works in anime history.

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>>122954067
This looks better than most scenes in KlK.

>>122954194
>read the books
Proof that the anime is a failure as a medium. Or that SHAFT is really bad at adapting Noissin's work.

Araragi barely grows to amount to anything but a self-insert stud. He has never experienced loss or hardship. He gets away scott-free by virtue of plot armor or deus ex powers i.e. vampirism. But most of all, he's just unrelatable.

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>>122954309
>reload the thread and shitpost

>>122954026
Like I mentioned, the character arc is for the waifus, but Araragi is shit as a character.

Even Shichika was a better character than he was.

>>122954383
You are comparing two shows with completely different art style.
You can't have this level of detail with KlK because of its cartoonish style.

>>122954381
There has never been a character drama with more comprehensive use of metaphor, symbolism, wordplay, and allusion than Kill la Kill.

To even find something on its level, you'd have to go to surreal anime film and OVA.

>>122954383
Takeshi Honda shits on that cut.

>>122954385
Shaft did decent adaptations for most of the books. They only fucked up a certain bits in Kabuki and Oni but that is not the point.
You can't look past the character's growth because you are simply that mentally unaware of it while watching the show, anon.

>>122954026
I don't really care about the waifus. At all.

Oshino Meme was the only intruiging character in that show.

>>122954322
>>122954381
>they think it's bait when it's obviously just satire
This is the funniest thread I've read in a long itme

>>122954499
So you pick one of the best guys in the whole industry as a comparison, good job.

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>>122954499
>>There has never been a character drama with more comprehensive use of metaphor, symbolism, wordplay, and allusion than Kill la Kill.
What is infinite Stratos

>>122954474
>You can't have this level of detail
The transformation scenes blow that cut out of the water. Both in detail, anticipation, timing, weight. Everything.

>You can't look past the character's growth because you are simply that mentally unaware of it while watching the show, anon.

Really now? "Meantally unaware"? It's like you're implying it was deep.

Another quality thread by Triggerniggers.

Bakemonogatari > Little Witch Academia
So Shaft.

>>122954310
The conversation was about monogatari and klk, first anon saying klk was deep wich is also bullshit and then you defending monogatari

you didn't said it, but the vibe you got fron that message is that monogatari is deep, which, as you too said, is not

>>122954616
It isn't deep you dumbfuck.
You cannot even comprehend my whole post and keep trying to tell monogatari has no objective content in it. Bravo, faggot.

>>122954617
At this point I'm sure theres trolling for both sides, the only guy that seems somewhat serious is >>122954309, retarded but serious

>>122945186
I salute you OP, you managed to get a bunch of retards to discuss like if they know something

The only truly deep anime is Tenshi no Tamago

>>122945476
This

>>122954654
It's not bullshit. Kill la Kill has layers of depth /a/ won't even explore because they're too childish to understand it.

Between philosophy, allusion, metaphor, symbolism, subtle characterization, and leitmotif, it stands heads and shoulders above any other television anime ever created. Even Gurren-Lagann.

Inferno Cop > Madoka
So Trigger.

>>122954722
ME!ME!ME! > klk
Checkmate

TTGL > Madoka
So Trigger

>>122954806
>To even find something on its level, you'd have to go to surreal anime film and OVA.
So you concede defeat?

>>122954600
>The transformation scenes blow that cut out of the water. Both in detail, anticipation, timing, weight. Everything.
Go ahead and explain me what makes it good, tell me the techniques employed, and why are they executed well. It shouldn't be hard for someone who has at least a half-assed animation knowledge. You're using a bunch of fancy words anyway, might as well expand on them.

Trigger has done one good show and a decent OVA, which was then followed by two shitty TV anime

Shaft has more shitty shows than good ones, but Shinbo is at least a good director.

>>122945671
b8

Anything Monogatari-related past Bake is shit.

>>122945186
Sex and Violence with Machspeed looks like shit, and is difficult for me to watch. I could stare at SZS for eternity.
KLK was over hyped and fell flat with its ADD quality, while the constant but simplified style of WIDE matches the show well.
Shaft>Trigger

>>122954796
At this point, I will just label you as retarded blind dumbfuck trigger sheep.
I have totally lost words for your klk worshipping faggotry.

>>122954863
Yes good sir

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SHAFT has Oishii!
So SHAFT.

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>>122945186
how can you make this thread and not hate yourself

>>122954900
But Owari is good anon. Real good.

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Going purely by track record I am going to go with SHAFT mainly because they have more to show.

The staff at Trigger obviously has tons of experience but if we're going purely by shows I will give it to SHAFT.

I think Kill la Kill was pretty good. It wasn't anything ambitious or have anything really worthy of any actual in depth discussion. However I think it had a lovable albeit 2 dimensional cast of characters that were very energetic and chewed up the scene a lot which managed to make every episode enjoyable just to see what ridiculousness the characters would do next even if the actual episode is "filler".

Serious moments weren't anything to write home about. Most were pretty forgettable since the characters aren't really deep in any sort of way. Lots of dropped plot points too make the actual story structure come off as really messy. The humor is also very hit and miss for me with some things being too obnoxious and other bits being just obnoxious enough but I think the cartoony animation made it easier to swallow regardless.

Overall, for the studios first original work I think it was pretty good. Could be vastly improved but overall it left me satisfied.
Speaking of SHAFT. What original works do they have again? I would comment on them but I just realized most of the SHAFT I have seen has been adaptions.

>>122954776
I suggest you watch Night on the Galactic Railroad.

>>122954984
Meguca?

>>122954984
Madoka is the only one.

>>122954947
>oishii
Cannibalism?

>>122954984
>It wasn't anything ambitious or have anything really worthy of any actual in depth discussion.
Wrong. See >>122954796

>>122954900
I know a person has great taste when he says this.
Bake was the best shit ever when it was released, how the fuck did it turn into above average generic haremshit?

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>>122954385
here is something I don't get:
I see more characters getting hate for having a built-in reason for being strong enough to handle what their show throws at them, than those who go through series' of highly improbale conveniently timed powerups.

>>122954385
Araragi is such a weird creep, I'd have an easier time self-inserting as Oshio

>>122954873
Shinbo is terrible. He's like what Seijun Suzuki would be if he had no talent and made otakushit anime for some reason

>>122955125
That's a bunch of nouns and adjectives that could be applied to any "deep" anime and no one would ever notice the difference. If you want to be taken seriously write a fucking post explaining your criticism. Ah, well, you're just playing around with this board anyway. Aren't you bored already?

>>122955208
Bored? I just came here, and I find what that guy wrote troughfully amusing. I plan to keep linking it so that others may enjoy his high-class criticism as well

>>122954867
You want me to explain the subtle techniques that make Takeshi Honda a great animator using his Kill la Kill cut... You actually asked me this question? What a fucking retard.
http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/6930/animated-fabric-hair-henshin-kill_la_kill-takeshi_

Squash and stretch when the titties jiggle, when the straps lock her tits down, the subtle movements of her ass when the thong is pulled tight, the bending of Senketsu's fabric as it's roped around Ryuuko.

The anticipation when monster Senketsu is ready to bite down on her, when his eyes are building energy to burst forth from her chest, or when Ryuuko is curled up ready to explode into her final pose.

the staging when she takes that pose is magnificent. Every action is pose to pose, and each movement flows into the next, overlapping the next to create a dynamic movement that you can't take your eyes off.

The movement is done is graceful arcs, and is exaggerated beatifully to create imaginative effects only possible in animation, such as the tight camera spin. Ryuuko's body behaves realistically, and every action she takes has a follow through. Like when she aggressively poses, she doesn't simply freeze, but her body reacts and settles after her energy is expended, and finally, every piece of it looks like a solid object in space

GET. FUCKED.

>>122955198
Yeah no.

Shinbou makes garbage like Nisekoi, Mekakucity, and Denpa Onno at least watchable while good stuff like SZS, Hidamari, and Arakawa amazing.

Shinbou literally improves anime

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>>122954858
b-but Gurren Lagaan was both made by TRIGGER AND SHAFT!

>>122955307
>good stuff like SZS, Hidamari, and Arakawa amazing.
Those are all mediocre-bad

>>122955144
You know Bakemonogatari would've been 10x better if it was Oshino Meme who was the protagonist instead of Araragi.

>>122955361
Those are all one of the best shows anime has to offer

>>122955307
>mekakucity
>watchable
I agree with the rest though

>>122955298
>Literal autism.
Redundant 7deep9me garbage doesn't make a show good nor intelligent. Not to mention, all of that is total rubbish.

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>>122955298
10/10

>Kill la Kill haters found dead in their moms basements.

>>122955404
Not even in top 200

>>122955298
kindly explain to me, the difference between layout and in between.

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>>122955495
Nah, fuck off and read a book, you ignorant shit.

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>>122955298
And it still looked like shit

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>>122955321
Ever noticed how segment with Nia have beautiful lips, wonderful backside shots, and even Nia's anti-Spiral messanger form looks something out of SHAFTs other shows. She even does the headtilt.

Those segments were in-betweened by SHAFT.

>>122955298
>GET. FUCKED.
I never doubted your knowledge in animation, silly anon.
>sakuga.yshi.org
As expected. I'm pretty sure the sakuga crew doesn't share the same enthusiasm over KlK's animation like you, since it had a decay later on.
>>122955420
He's talking about the animation, not the "deep" parts of the show, though. There are plenty of great shows when it comes to animation which have a stupid or simple story. Nichijou has plenty of cool cuts, for example.
Also holy fuck what the fuck is wrong with reCAPTCHA today? I can barely read the majority of them.

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>>122955125
That didn't really explain anything.

If you feel KLK does indeed have subtletys to it then by all means write about it, it wouldn't be the first time I failed to see things in depth.


I suppose the idea of clothing and human relationships could be a parallel to something perhaps? Man I don't know.

Fuck this shit. I choose both.
http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/c67f430be585ea5579c05139344b915f.mp4

>>122955599
See >>122952831 There's no point in explaining since it's too intelligent for you

>>122955298
Holy shit, this is perfect, anon! My sides are killing me, thanks.

>>122955536
>can't even pointed out the difference between layout and in between.
no more bullets, faggot?

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>people hating Kill la Kill

Shaft almost became the second anime studio to win an Oscar after Ghibli.

Trigger has been around for like what, three years?

>>122945186
Trigger is far too new for this to be a fair fight. Shaft should be compared with another studio that has had enough time to get a few dozen shows out.

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>>122955550
It was easily the best looking transformation sequence in animated history.

>>122955577
>I'm pretty sure the sakuga crew doesn't share the same enthusiasm over KlK's animation like you, since it had a decay later on.
I don't care what they think, and KLK's true strength is in its direction, character drama, narrative, and thematic power.

>>122955599
I wrote about a little about it here >>122953201

I will go in-depth one of these days, so look out for it. Until then, I've also written about it in the past. Check the archives for these posts if you really missed out on the deeper meaning and aren't just a random shitter trolling for kicks.
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>>122842492
>>122843640

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>>122955697
OP should have done the classic showdown.

>>122955692
Haha you don't know what an Oscar is

Madoka > TTGL
So Shaft

>>122955749
This isn't tumblr, go back there with your shitposting and retarded pseudo analysis.

>>122955813
Both overrated but TTGL is vastly superior

Trigger are cancer.
They still haven't made a single good show and even with this new Ninja show that had some potential, it ends up being 4:3 resolution because "we so funny and unique".
While Shaft made only garbage in the last year, they still made a lot of good shows and their visuals are eye candy.
Comparing them is literally retarded thogugh

>>122953742
None of those people are A-list animators.

May as well namedrop Ryo Imamura and Gen'ichirou Abe and call it even. Okay, maybe not. Still, "the best in animation history"? Wow.

>>122955749
It's way too obvious. Why do you continue doing this?

In this thread when literally none of the faggots even aware that Shaft has been the in-between studio to clear up the parts that been thrown to them by the original studios for the past few decades. They were just whores to clean up messes left by other studios, literally.

>>122955845
Yeah, very funny. I'd like to hear how you can justify that one.

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>>122955390
It would have been an entirely different show.
Some sort of Mushishi groupie with more lucious boobs and explosions. More interesting? Most likely. I have no idea if there is enough depth to the setting to show it through Oshio's eyes in the first place though. But I'd like to see

At the same time I enjoy Monogatari as it is. Besides the visuals and some of the intros I couldn't really defend it against structured critique though.

>>122955762
Guy probably laughed his ass off while making this considering how painfully strawman this is, even putting headtilts from all kinds of different shows from different genres and artstyles.

>>122955845
TTGL is only overrated these days because people think it's better than KLK. It's not.

They're both 10/10s, but KLK has topped it in every way.

>>122955937
TTGL is at least entertaining

>>122955879
Klk did create newfags from tumbrl/reditt/ann

>>122955640
By refusing to explain it you yourself are being anti intellectual.

That being said I CAN buy into the whole Life fiber and red string of fate thing since that seems plausible enough.

>>122955957
TTGL is objectively a 8/10 while KlK is 6/10 at best so no, you're wrong.

>>122955749
>It was easily the best looking transformation sequence in animated history.

Stop.

>>122955879
Sure, it seems obvious now, but before I posted people were ACTUALLY denying KLK had thematic depth. Now that I'm here, the trolls no longer have a leg to stand on, an their only remaining defense is personal attacks.

>>122955943
>structured critique
You mean the common sense disguised as literary criticism like >>122955749 ? Because I bet my ass less than 1% of posts made on /a/ or on any anime forum resemble literary structuralism.

>>122955975
I knew you wouldn't be able to do it.

>>122956029
I meant that the bait was obvious, retard.

>>122955987
Welcome to Code Geass, Gurren Lagann, Bake, Madoka and every other popular anime.

>>122956059
Actually, I did it just as well as it can be done, and any other way would be an error.

>>122956008
Read the right post you giant idiot: >>122955749

Also "Buy into it"? Mako literally states it in the show. I swear I don't know how you retards breath without machine-help. Even exposition is too much for yo. Do you understand how pathetic that is?

>>122956008
>I was making fun of the guy who was writing 3deep5u and someone actually took me seriously
My sides shall never survive this thread

>>122955749
Wow, I didn't realize Kill la Kill had such colossal retards. For you to dedicate this much time to analyzing a manufactured piece of garbage is hilarious.

Kill la Kill is shit, and all these 'subtleties' you highlight are a product of your own fabrication, being a delusional idiot and all.

Even if it did have symbolism, it isn't meaningful or compelling, and it doesn't make the show any better.

>>122956029
>people were ACTUALLY denying KLK had thematic depth.
Because it doesn't fucking have any, stop thinking of yourself as the smartest anime connoisseur you idiotic ape holy shit.

>>122956160
>fabrication
noice

>>122956102
You mean the critic's equivalent of "it was fun, I liked it"? No, that's not "as well as it can be done". At least you aren't using bullshit buzzwords.

>>122956220
Nope. Wasting any amount of time on analyzing trash is inherently a mistake.

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>>122956120

>>122956108
What in the world are you getting so angry about? I JUST said I agreed with it. You're being absolutely miserable for no reason at all and it's making you come off as a massive gaylord.

Every now and again there comes a series preceded by such immense hype and such widespread buzz, that nearly the entirety of the anime community tunes in for the first episode. The hype can carry even a mediocre show to vertigo-inducing heights when it comes to popularity and ratings. This is likely what occurred with the otherwise fairly below-average Kill la Kill. Presumably, had it been exactly the same series but made by a less notable studio, the show would have fallen under the radar of most of its current audience. Perhaps the bar had been set too high by the excellent Gurren Lagann, or perhaps studio Trigger ran out of creativity after their most successful series, but whatever the case Kill la Kill fell far beneath my expectations. The series is not just awkward, poorly written, shoddily animated, and badly paced, but aggressively so.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that an idle man in possession of a Crunchyroll account must be in want of a good anime. Kill la Kill, while it has its upsides, is not a good anime, and certainly not what an idle man such as myself wanted. First among its slew of negatives is the pacing; it’s all over the place. Sometimes the show skips across great lengths of time with next to no explanation, while other times entire episodes are spent on a single fight, Dragonball Z-style. It seems some parts of the series were written as though it were made to be thirteen episodes long, and others were written as if it were part of a fifty episode epic. It’s off-putting and outright odd. The pacing is remarkable not for the directorial expertise exhibited by it, but for the lack thereof.

>>122945186
>Inferno Cop and the now legendary Kill la Kill
Killa la Kill yourself you massive faggot

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So who are you going to pit Bones up against OP?

>>122956287
(cont..)

The pacing is, however, the least of one’s worries while watching the mess that is Kill la Kill. Were it not for the excellent soundtrack, I’d venture to say that the redeeming qualities of the show are few and far between. Shoddy is the best word to describe Kill la Kill‘s animation. Shoddy and haphazard. Shadows are often left an unnatural pitch black, and the backgrounds are largely poorly detailed and unappealing with their slap-dash construction and dreary colors. The academy where a good part of the show takes place consists almost entirely of various shades brown, grey, and dull blue. That’s not to say a show needs to be entirely vibrant and colorful, nor am I implying that the character designs of Kill la Kill don’t make up for the boring environments, but some more interesting venues would not go unappreciated. The use of stock footage doesn’t much help matters; the same transformation sequence can be found in almost every episode, and after a while it becomes rather grating.

What’s more, the amount of deus ex machina used in the show is simply astonishing. Very little gets done without the main protagonist gaining some unexpected, unexplained new ability that magically changes the tide of battle. It inspires precious little admiration for the writers. The show tries to be a sort of Dragonball-Z/Gurren Lagann hybrid, but fails to do what either of those shows did right. It completely lacks the originality of Gurren Lagann, and in comparison to that series Kill la Kill just seems like a soulless cash-in by a studio that has made shows that had some real heart. I know Trigger can do better than this; they have done better than this, and it’s very disappointing to see how far they’ve fallen. Despite my love for this particular studio, however, I can’t bring myself to say that their most recent project is anything but twenty-four episodes of puerile nonsense.

>>122956191
>it doesn't fucking have any
The stage, the red string of fate, destiny, don't lose your way, fear, confidence, and resolve, the cold psychology of logical death in the face of a superior being vs the incomprehensibility of life.

Kill la Kill is poetry.

>>122956257
Great, a logical fallacy. As expected from a shitter like you.

>>122956344
You don't know what a logical fallacy is.

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>>122956263
>the guy who wrote that it's too intelligent for you is just now coming out as a massive gaylord
I'm crying

>shit la shit
>thematic depth
Funniest shit I have read all day.

>>122956191
The Devas actually thematically align with Mahayana Buddhist beliefs.

>>122956319
Probably KyoAni or Gainax

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>>122956009
>both made by trigger/gainax employees

>>122956407
Truth amuses you?

>>122956368
Do you? Do you even know which one I'm referring to? Go ahead, take a guess. I look forward to seeing you cower away while trying to dodge the question again.

This thread is gold. Whoever's idea it was to pit these two tribes of shitty fangoys against each other is a genius

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>>122956377
What in the name of the almighty Jesus are you talking about?

>>122956263
>>122956008
>>122955599
>>122954984
Is me.
I think you're talking to a completely different anon. Or you're being an idiot.

>>122956456
Bullshit amuses me.

>>122956342
Those are some pretty cool things but you can sum up plenty of shows by mentioning the emotions and conflicts that exist. That doesn't make them deep though. You just hide the shalowness of your insights through your wording.

I now take my leave. I hope you've all learned a valuable lesson today.

Kill la Kill has strong thematic depth, and literally your only defense is to ignore talking points, and troll using half-baked responses and reaction images.

Bye, faggots. I off on my date.

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>>122956034
Structure doesn't equal structuralism.
I've actually seen more remnats of the latter on /a/, in the sense that there are comments in almost every thread about how somethingsomething relates to anime, the state of the industry or whatever, but it's mostly polemic

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>this thread
>this retarded KLKfag
>this circlejerking

/a/ never ceases to amuse me.

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>>122956449
How is that relevant in any way, you fucking retard

>>122956541
>I go on a date

Your dakimakura doesn't count as a deito.

>>122956564
I haven't laughed this hard since Twintail ep4. It literally hurts.

>>122956627
As expected from a normalfag KLK hating shitter. Fuck off you massive cake digesting subhuman.

Why not both?

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>>122956705
I haven't even watched KLK. You're jumping the gun there.

All I saw from KLK was a loli having her heart stabbed, faking a dying state, then come up with a "just kidding, fag" as she took her heart out like it was nothing.

So deep I didn't even try to watch the thing.

>>122956558
I was just pretending to be retarded! Jokes aside that was poor attention of my part. But I think there are plenty of ways to circumvent generic new criticism, unless you happen to agree with it, yet enjoy the show because fun.

>>122956541
Refer to
>>122956287
>>122956333
Nice to see you conveniently ignore these. I guess you really were too stupid.

>>122956342
Then women panties stained with period fluid are a better piece of poetry and animation than kill la kill

This thread needs to be kill.
It serves no purpose anymore.

>>122956845
In an alternative universe, he used the thematic symbolism of KlK (which exists, but if it's deep or well done, that's a whole other thing) to explain how it ties in and justifies the supposed "bad pacing", sacrificing the execution for its sake.

>>122952030
Hey I remember this meme

Madoka was garbage

>>122957097
So did klk.

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>>122956841
That gif was chosen at random and not directed at you anyway, but good thing you don't seem big into being butthurt on the internet.

Ignoring what people say about shows on /a/ is the only way to go anyway, it's not like anyone here actually likes anime.

>this thread is still alive

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>>122957097
>implying

>>122957138
I've spent too many years getting angry over 4chan posts already.

SHAFT, easily.

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Shaft
>top tier
Bakemonogatari, SZS all seasons, Arakawa under the Bridge S1

>good tier
Madoka Magica, Monogatari second season, Pani Poni Dash, Hidamari Sketch

>mediocre tier
Arakawa under the Bridge S2, rest of Monogatari, Maria Holic, Nisekoi

>trash tier
Mekakucity Actors, Kofuku Gurafiti

Trigger

>mediocre tier
Kill la Kill, Inferno Cop

>trash tier
Inou-battle

>>122957444
Also Denpa Onna to trash tier

>>122957444
Nothing SHAFT has ever made is top-tier. Madoka's writing was pretentious, and the symbolism was shallow. Sailor Moon was better.

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>>122957444
>>trash tier
>Koufuku Graffiti

>>122957591
>and the symbolism was shallow
What symbolism? A show doesn't need ~deep~ symbolism to be good

>>122957626
It doesn't need it, but when it has it, but doesn't relate to the writing at all, it's clearly a pretentious piece of shit trying to appeal to the shallow.

>>122957591
>pretentious
This meme went out of style years ago.

>>122957591
>symbolism
>madoka
What in the actual fuck are you smoking, anon? It doesn't even need symbolism to be good.

>>122945186
>Kill la Kill
>legendary

Seriously I enjoyed Kill la Kill, but what the fuck it hasn't been out for more than a year. It's not fucking legendary.

Also this thread is dumb, Trigger doesn't have the sample size of anime compared to Shaft. People are riding on the Trigger hype train because they're the spiritual successor of Gainax.

Madoka might not be the greatest thing ever, but the fact that people ACTUALLY think generic horseshit like Monogatari is the best thing SHAFT has ever done is pretty telling of the intellect of your average anime consumer. And I say consumer, because you don't get to be a true connoisseur of art when you're doing nothing but digesting a product that serves as fodder for you dick.