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Now that the dust has settled, is it the greatest anime ever produced?
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>>122753002
It's not even better than F/SN and that's pure trash.
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S1 is 7/10, S2 is 6/10 at best.
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>>122753002
>Any urubuchi anime
>greatest anime ever produced
Pick one my friend
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>>122753002
>Now that the dust has settled, is it the greatest anime ever produced?

What? What dust? And 4 years after the fact?

Who even suggests that F/Z is more than average?
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>>122753178
>S1 better than S2

Do explain
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>>122753002
no watch more anime faggot
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>>122753179
>>122753243

Does anyone else here feel that FateZero is the greatest anime ever made?

- Amazing script by Urobuchi (some of the best dialogue in anime). "Dreams disappear when the dreamer wakes. Every last one of them, with no exception.”
- GOD-tier choreography by Ufotable (see webm related).
- Everything of its production oozes polish, from the consistently atmospheric artwork, fluid animation, methodical pacing.
- Intricate plot and characterization following several masters and servants juggling all of their character journies at once.
- Best execution of greek tragedy in anime.
- The 2 Kiritsugu episodes are some of the best storytelling in any TV series, anime or not.
- Absolutely breathtaking OST by Kajiura (and I don't just use that as a buzzword, the music is legitimately breathtaking). Try listening to this without getting goosebumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSP17bwlS0Y
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>>122753350
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>>122753350

>>122753312
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>>122753272
>muh forced tragedy
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>>122753272
Horrible pacing and shit direction in the last episodes
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>>122753497
>buzzwords
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Sure why not.
Just shut the fuck up already.
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>>122753554
The content is still better than S1's pointless grail battles and lack of focus

Caster conflict was utterly stupid, loli Rin episode speaks for itself, Kiritsugu is barely a character until S2.
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>>122753639
I think Caster was the most disgusting and unlikeable character I've ever seen.
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>>122753671
He was Butcher's idea after Nasu rejected having a Chinese servant.
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>>122753639
I like loli Rin episode but you're right anon
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It's not even close.
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>>122753671
I mean, that's the intent. But he's still the worst character in the franchise. F/Z in general suffers from under developed characters (outside of their motivations to fight)
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>>122753671
>Caster was the most disgusting and unlikeable character I've ever seen.
I actually found him and his servant the best part of S1,shit was just too funny
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>>122753775
To be fair the majority of characters in F/Z or F/SN are very lackluster
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>>122753901
I'm guessing you haven't read the VN, every character in F/SN is very well developed. Standouts being pic related of course
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>>122754019
I'm specifically talking about the anime
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>>122753671
>>122753671
>>122753775
>>122753901
Absolute shit taste
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>>122753002
>Now that the dust has settled

How to spot crossboarders
>>122753243
It's a stupid /v/ meme.
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>>122754107
The anime is only halfway through, and that's only 1/3 of the whole narrative (Fate, UBW, HF).
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>>122754271
If you are expecting the adaptation to reach anywhere near the VN as far as character development goes you are not vey smart
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>>122754321
>it's gonna be shit guys, trust me
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>>122754271
Every adaptation of a Novel,VN or Manga is this way for obvious reasons anon.the source material is always more detailed and developed than the adaptation.

There's adaptations better than the source material tho
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>>122754399
Which ones?
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>>122754434
S;G
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>>122754351
That's not what he meant,try working on your reading comprehension skills
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>>122754452
I heard something different, but than I haven't gotten around to read it
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>>122754434
Shingeki No Kyojin
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>>122754434
Usagi Drop
2003 FMA(Imo)
HxH
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>>122754434
K-On!
Trust and Betrayal
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>>122754321
>>122754399

Besides Shirou's inner monologues (and obviously lack of Fate route), it doesn't lose much. What are you talking about?
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>>122754434
You mean in the anime medium or in any medium?
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Not the greatest anime ever produced, but one of the best in the last couple of years for sure.

Season 1: 8/10
Season 2: 8.5/10
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>>122754452
I disagree, I think Steins;Gate has an excellent adaptation, but the VN was even better.
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>>122754604
Only if we're talking about the action genre,for me F/Z is a 7/10
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>>122754604
>That great grail in the background
Damn.
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There are at least 200 anime better.
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>>122754615
why rukaku use a bikini ?
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>>122754795
It's the timeline where he's a girl.
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It's pretty damn good, but not the best.

At least in my book.
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I don't know if is the best, But its in my top five of animes.
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>>122754684
I was talking overall. For me who's been following every season of the last eight years almost completely, this is one of the most stand-out and memorable (in a good way) shows I've ever seen, and even beyond that it's a great piece of fiction. Lacking in terms of character development (it's all over the place) and an engaging "real" main plot, but the intrigue is just gripping, the choreography a sight to behold, the directing in general. And in terms of characters they were almost all good in their own right (except for Kayneth and Ryuunosuke) and the finale was absolute madness. For me it was an amazing ride from start to finish and even after having it watched three times it remains one of my favorites.
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>>122753002
Not even close, Fate/ in general is pretty bad.
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Why the hell do fatefags rage so hard when someone mentions FZ? Is it just because it's so much better than the shitty adaptation of their beloved VN?
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>>122753002
Fuck no, you must be a retard to believe that. It's 7/10 at best.
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>>122755027
No it isn't
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>>122754711
That's one of the most breathtaking artworks I've ever seen. The Servants as the main pawns in the front, controlled by the mysterious Masters in the middle and everything's happening by the Grail's "will" in the background. Looking at this wallpaper while listening to the climactic tracks of the Fate/Zero OST is a whole different feeling.
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>>122755075
No, it's because F/Z is a shitty adaption of an above average LN.
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>>122755110
Iktf. Listening to this track remembering Kerry's "seigi no mikata ni... naritainda!" just brings me to tears every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSP17bwlS0Y
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>>122754873
ohhh
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>>122755324
I feel for Kiritsugu everytime I watch 2nd Season, it's absolute madness. He's one of those characters that I just want to give a big hug and tell them everything will be alright. Everytime he appeared or was mentioned in F/SN UBW 2014 I felt so sad and when I read the VN later I cried.
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>>122755580
Kiritsugu deserved everything that happened to him.
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>>122753002
Does Zero have best Saber?
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>>122755580
>>122755683

The main thing I hold against him is talking to Shirou about his beliefs and then not teaching him magic properly. He was asking to get his son killed, especially knowing people like Kotomine and the Einzbern family are still around.
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>>122755711
Of course not, it has that faggot Lancelot however.
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>>122755743
To be fair, he (and most everyone else) thought the next grail war wouldn't be for another 60 years, and he'd made provisions to deal with that.
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>>122754521
>Usagi Drop
Yes

>HxH
Too many drawn out scenes, manga panel pastes, stills and speedlines during fights, and shit use of music until the CA arc

This isn't a manga. It's an anime adaptation and should be treated as such, but the anime was mostly lazy as fuck.

>2003 FMA
Not exactly a good adaptation of the manga, but it's great as its own thing. I liked it, and it's a nice example of good directing that HxH 2011 didn't have. I preferred the tone, drama, and characterization over the original content too.
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F/Z; 8.5/10
F/SN Season 1: 5/10

F/SN has odious characters
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>>122755786
>This isn't a manga. It's an anime adaptation and should be treated as such, but the anime was mostly lazy as fuck.

Try harder..
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>>122755993
Ma nigga.
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>>122755683
I finished the series literally yesterday, and I agree on this. It's just that the Grail War and the "diplomacy" involved (read: kill all other Masters) prevented anyone from breaking through Kiritsugu's flawed mentality.

In the end, Seihai-kun made a beatdown of his principles so hard that he was a shell of his former self when it was over.
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>>122753002
that doesnt look like boku no pico to me
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>>122755994
My only beef with Hunter adaptation was the song directing up until GI, they just put the most unfitting themes at the wrong moments.
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>>122755994
What the fuck is wrong with the girl's eyebrows? How can anyone watch this and take it seriously? That's one of the reasons I dislike perpetual ongoing fighting shounens, they always tend to have shitty designs like this, at least ONCE.
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Is it me or the neck-cracking scenes felt so forced it was almost funny to me? And how the fuck did Aoi survive having her neck snapped? Healing magic?
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>>122755994
>few good episodes
>telling me to try harder
Okay, anon.

And the Meruem x Komugi one wasn't good, the first half was nothing and the second half was stills, manga panel pastes, bubbly shoujo shit, with one actual creative moment which was the part where Komugi stroked Meruem's face.
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>>122756169
I don't think her neck was snapped.
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>>122756169
I don't recall many neck snappings, and Aoi's neck was never snapped, she was just strangled.

How the hell would a cripple snap anyone's neck with a grip like that?
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>>122756035
>the grail shows him how the only way there would be world peace was if the only humans remaining on earth would be him and his family
I feel really bad for Kiritsugu, he basically got told how stupid he was by what he thought would be his salvation.
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>>122756166
>thick eyebrows = shitty design
nice exaggeration homie
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>>122756220
>>122756239
I'm sure the sound effect used was almost the same as when Iri was killed by Kotomine.
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>>122756133
The only example of this I can think of them is them playing ED 1 during the hotel lobby scene (though I can forgive that because that song is amazing)

>>122756166
She's a blind old lady which means she has likely never tweezed her eyebrows, and considering some people have incredibly thick eyebrows naturally, it's not far from reality. Also HxH isn't a fighting shounen
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>>122756166
>not liking big eyebrows
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>>122756289
Based Avenger.
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>>122756300
They are not just thick, they are tremendous. It's just plain ugly to look at.
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>>122756328
It's a fighting shounen.

>>122756336
Mugi's are fine in my book, but HxH's are not.
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>>122755075
Fate/Zero is one of the greatest selling anime of all time for good reason. And /a/ will never stop being butthurt over it.
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>>122756166
Her eyebrows are less obnoxious in the manga because her hair usually covers them a bit and when it doesn't they usually just have a lined look like pic related.
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>>122756328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTfu52VX6w This song broke the mood and was misused in at least 60% of the times it was played
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>>122756310

I don't believe that was a neck snapping either. At least it wasn't in the novel. If it was in the anime, beyond not recalling it, it'd just be coincidence.
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>>122756430
Yeah, that doesn't bother me, it looks okay in the manga.
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>>122756289
To be fair though, Seihai-kun seems to work with the concept of sins, just like how it was referred to as Angra Mainyu and "who bears the sins of the world". No matter how pure your intentions are, chances are Seihai-kun will twist that.
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>>122756212
>few good episodes

Sure, except the animation is consistently good and there are tons of standouts even in the first few arcs (Hisoka vs Gon, Kurapika vs Uvo, the troupe's requiem).

> the first half was nothing

Except for the parts where it was something

>stills
Every TV series and they aren't very frequent.
>manga panel pastes
When Madhouse do this it works in favor of the anime.
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>>122755075
You know how everything that humans do ultimately boils down to being for survival and sex? It's the same thing for /a/ except replace them with fanbase wars and masturbation.
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>>122756421
The only battle shounen arc is Heaven's Arena, and even then it's nothing like traditional tournament arcs.

>>122756452
Do you have any specific examples? I can't even remember where this song was used.
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>>122755075
Because the anime made it popular.
Fatefags think they are elitists by reading a visual novel so they need to make sure every "normie" knows it.
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>>122756289
Avenger wasn't wrong, the only way you can truly save everyone is to kill everyone.
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>>122756498
It's corrupted, it acts like that for a reason.
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>>122755075
it's just not the best thing in the series, kinda a shame when people see it and dismiss everything Nasu's done because "muh Zero".

People overreact though, which is no surprise.
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Yes. Nothing else can even come close.
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>>122756289
>>122756773

Obviously Kerry knows this but from his perspective the grail is an omnipotent wish granting device. So it was just a matter of misunderstanding the extent of what the grail can do.
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>>122756430
>meruem calls her unsightly, a common idiot
>falls for her shortly after
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>>122756477
She even looked sexy at times
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>>122756797
Ah fuck, pretty sure the answer to why is not in F/Z, although we see clues to why.
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>>122756856
In other words, he went from ant to human.. the entire point of his arc

Thank you for this basic oberservation complete with a le smug anime face
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>>122756933
Please don't sexualize the Komugi
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>>122756498
Even though it was corrupted, it was right. You can't resolve a problem without looking at the cause. The only way would be to rob humans of their free will, and well, they would just cease being humans.
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Can you HxH guys go to your own thread ? I'm here to discuss why F/Z is the best anime
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>>122757069
Yeah, they should fuck off with their stupid fighting shounen.
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>>122753002
dunno, didn't watch it.

I bet is shit.

The only Fate series I watch is Fate/Kaleid.
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>>122756974
Thank you for the pointlessly rewording my post.
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>>122757124
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>>122757121
>HxH
>fighting shounen
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>>122757040
Kerry's fucked no matter what.
Shit, Seihai-kun's worse than Othinus.
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>>122755743
He couldn't have known Shirou was a fucking robot in the flesh
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>>122753002
Good joke OP you made me spit my drink.
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>>122757354
He's right though.
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>>122757124
>watches Fate/Kaleid
>bags on other fate

fucking disgusting pedo shit Kaleid was the worst thing to happen to the fate series
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>>122757212
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>>122753002
People really think this is better than F/SN?
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>>122757414
I agree, can you believe some people find stuff like this arousing?

It's completely degenerate.
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>>122757618
Because they didn't read the VN.
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>>122757414
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The only thing that comes close is Psycho-Pass. F/Z gets put over the edge because of based Rider though. I have been told Madoka is by the same director, but I haven't watched it because it looks like moeshit.
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>this thread
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>>122757835
There's so many things wrong with this post.
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>>122757835
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>>122757835
I put if off because I thought the same, but try it you'll be very surprised it's only 12 episodes. Also leave fast because you're about to get spoiled.
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>>122757835
>>122757630
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>>122757835
Sayaka dies
Kyouko dies
Madoka dies
Mami dies
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>>122757982
Homura did nothing wrong.
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>>122757213
It's a fighting shounen, you degenerate.
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>>122758302
It's a shounen with fighting.
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