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What went wrong?
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>>122688599
3 things.
1.) Space vampires. Really nothing good or interesting was done with them. The show would have been without them.
2.) The plot having no sense or direction. The writers really were just pulling random shit out of their asses and putting it in regardless if it made sense or not. And in the end nothing was accomplished.
3.) Haruto being a useless beta that contributed nothing to the show, accomplishes nothing in the end, and is proved completely wrong by the "villains".
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>>122688599
Absolutely nothing, this show is a masterpiece.
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>>122688599
Not enough Saki.
Not enough Eru Erufu.
Not enough Akira.
Too much Shoko.
Way, way too much Haruto.
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>>122689033
There really is no excuse for Haruto. Who wants a spineless wimp who never grows, never changes, has no impact on the main plot or rest of the cast, and is overall useless.
And no this is not "common." The point of having a character start out weak is so they can grow and become strong. Haruto remains the same whiny weakling that he entered the show as. He had no development, constantly ran away and had to be forced into the plot and then be useless as someone else resolves it because he can't. His death is meaningless because he was worthless. No one cared he was dead and in an attempt to force us to feel bad for him they have crying when his previously established character would never do that. The two were never close or cared about each other and we are suddenly supposed to believe he would cry for someone he wanted to use up dry.
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>>122689033
Haruto really is the #1 thing dragging this show down. The fact that he stays a gutless loser throughout the show solidifies him as one of the worst anime protagonists.
I was so happy that he died and literally jumped for joy out of my chair when he did.
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>>122688599
Haruto.
To say the least. They screwed up his character. An MC is supposed to be somebody the audience roots for and likes, in VVV they did everything to turn him into a hatable faggot.
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>>122688599
Failing to understand
A: Your MC needs to be useful
B: Your MC needs to be compelling
C: Your MC needs to have an impact on the plot and/or other characters
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>>122688599

It's just as shit as Cross Ange but Cross Ange gets a pass on /a/ because cute girls.

So evidently, not being all about cute girls was where it went wrong.
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Is she MC in this useless or what?
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>>122689854
Ange is a bitch but she gets work done.
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>>122689854
Cross Ange has a great MC. Also Valvrave had Saki and Akira so enough cute.
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>>122689812
well he did rape someone
so there's that.
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>>122688599
I don't mind the valvrave design without that green shit and the godawful rifle thing they put on it, just looks like an edgy astray

Valvrave would have been much better with a different MC, none of that runes or curse shit just slap a different engine of some sort into the machine and just make it a generic gundam show that isn't trying to be special with MAGIC.

Keep the school shit and the module existing for the purpose of the valvrave but keep them as a weapon instead of some other shit.

It'd still be a bad show don't get me wrong but at least they could make it into something coherent
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>>122689878
Yes. Not only is he a betamax pussy, but he literally contributes nothing positive to the show.
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>>122688599
Pretty much everything.
Haruto is a horrible character that only exists to fuck up everything and when the audience hates the main character when that isn't the point of the character that is pretty bad.
The plot is also a mess. Nothing happens throughout the show and in the end absolutely nothing was accomplished.
The music was boring and generic aside from Nana Mizuki fucking up what would otherwise be passable songs.
The fights are boring, when you have you main mechs overheating every few minutes it's just uninteresting.
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>>122690109
Thank you, I was going to pick this up, but nah.
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>>122690368
Don't.
Valvrave is a bad anime. Not self-aware. Not "so-bad-it's-good". Not clever in any way. It's the inevitable result of putting together as many typical tropes of the mecha genre as possible, mashing them together, and hoping that it will be eaten up by the masses. So yes, just... plain... bad.
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>>122688599
Haruto being insufferable and completely unlikable
Retarded plot
Sub-par cgi and animations
Boring music
Nana Mizuki ruining T.M. Revolution songs
Boring side cast
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>>122688877
This, but if the second cour wasn't such a clusterfuck of nothing it could've gone somewhere.
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>>122690559
First season was so bad it was good though. Second season just shit its pants.
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>>122690984
>>122690989
This shit was bad and boring as fuck in the first season. You just have shit taste.
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>>122688599
The story, it's one of the worst train wrecks in recent history, with most of the characters carrying the idiot ball like it's some sort of life saving shield. The ending is especially insulting to the viewers and was probably written after an all night crack smoking session.
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>>122688599
Haruto. He is bad because he is literally worthless and all he does is hold everyone back. He is straight up garbage. You don't make a character like that the main protagonist. And if you do, you have them grow. You have them break out of their funk and establish some reason that this guy is the hero. There has to be a moment where the reader/viewer/player can see why this faggot is the main character.

Haruto never has that. Never has any of that. You could literally self insert the average /m/ mid-twenties manchild in there and have him get the space vampire robot zombie powers when he snuck into the school to whack one off to Shoko, and it would be a better show.
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>>122689854
Cross Ange has a way better MC and a less retarded plot that actually goes somewhere.

Also the girls in CA aren't cute at all, they're slutty bitches.
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>>122689854
Cross Ange makes fun of valarapes mc.
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>>122691844
VVV's girls were bland.
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>>122689812
L-elf should have been the main character
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>>122688599
Haruto, just Haruto.
Here are just a few things wrong with him:
1) He is utterly unlikable
2) He contributes nothing positive to the story
3) He in fact holds everyone back
4) He fails at every one of his objectives
5) He's wrong about everything
6) He is bad at being a pilot, bad at making decisions, bad at everything
7) The main character with most of the focus, so all of this is amplified in your face
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For many of us studio Sunrise is now labeled as “the mecha trainwreck” studio. They were quite innovating in their early years but for the past 2 decades they make only robot-themed shows filled with obnoxious lead characters and storylines written on the run. And yes, they usually sell very well to their target audience thanks to the good budget but if you compare them with the mecha shows of GAINAX you easily realize how they are hardly trying to be anything out of the ordinary or even well made. They are kid stuff for mass consumption with little to no actual value.

Their latest proof of that is this Valvrave thing; a patchwork of good ideas from past works, hardly trying to do anything new with them or at least present them in a nice way. It is just throws them randomly on the screen and expects you to shut off your brain and stare at the scenery porn, the mecha porn, and the silly school comedy shenanigans. Guess what folks; it won’t work no matter how many pink explosions and sailor suit girls they splatter all over your face. Because there is absolutely no effort given to make us give a damn about anyone or anything before they try to entertain us with anything else in it. This is what made Code Geass good in the first season to the point most didn’t mind how bad it became plot-wise in the second. And this is what made Guilty Crown bad right away, since just like Valvrave it never tried to be anything more than random good ideas.
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You get weird stuff like mecha who turn their pilots into vampires with fast regeneration who also possess their victims and fight space Nazis with ultimate attacks that include performing hara-kiri and throwing Frisbees, while having flashforwards to centuries later where amnesia and deaths happen. It sounds cool but there is absolutely no attempt to move from event A to event B with some sort of logic behind it; it all plays out as randomly as possible. It is impossible to create anything good if there is absolutely no consistency to how something works or how someone behaves. Some girl survives a nuke by being inside a car and just like everything else that is all you ever need to accept this lame plot armor. An elite assassin who can easily kill hundreds of soldiers gets owned instantly by the protagonist’s bite. A few minutes later the protagonist attacks his schoolmates and is owned by the slap of a frail girl. And no, that is not supposed to be a joke; it was supposed to be a most dramatic scene.
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Two minutes after it begins and you are already thinking this is yet another alternative universe of Gundam. Only it isn’t; it is supposed to be a NEW show with a NEW setting. Whatever; we typically have a Gundam future where mankind creates space colonies and fights with mechas. Our protagonist is a typical teenager who “accidentally” finds a new overpowered model and is forced to pilot it as means to protect his friends and stuff. He is yet another one of those pussies who blushes when he looks at a girl or screams when a female does the unthinkable and touches him. I mean, really, from all the people in the universe he is the one who finds the robot and has the guts to pilot it? Where did he found the balls all of a sudden? In the typical Sunrise fashion, he acts as the plot demands it and not as he should. More specifically, when a girl is in trouble he gets manly but when said girl wants to thank him he screams like the sissy he is. Add to that a ridiculous scene where he goes berserk by mystical powers and rapes a girl he proposes to marry the exact next day. What was this show called again, Vulrape the Lubricator? Anyways, the show will constantly try to present him as a tragic hero who is forced to sacrifice a lot for the good of the many but his blunt personality and the completely random plot twists will make it impossible to give a damn.
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In a similar manner, the fail expands to everything else in the show; the enemy spies for example. You know; the ones in all Gundam shows who pretend to be civilians just to sneak in and steal the new model? You get this sudden antithesis where on one side stands the pussy protagonist doing a harem comedy and on the other these amoral assholes who kill defenseless people for the lulz. And yes, they are transfer students; every mediocre anime with schools needs transfer students in order for something to happen. Oh my, such amazing characterization! Now can we please get something so we can describe each one of them with more than a hair color or a silly-sounding name that repeats every 2 minutes? Or can we at least have some bloody consistency in the way they are supposed to behave? If they kill on sight any defenseless person they meet and laugh about it, why do they start to chat with the lead’s schoolmates for no bloody reason? I mean, really, the robot they came for is in front of them, they killed dozens of people to get to it without lifting an eyebrow, and as soon as it is a few steps away they stop walking or shooting anything that moves, and start to talk with nobodies. HERP!

From the dozens of cardboards this show has, one of them stands out and is none other than the Char-wannabe of this season. You won’t forget his name, since everybody yells about it in a most memorable and retarded way. ELELFU! ELELFU! ELELFU! He acts like a double agent, out to take revenge on the space Nazis and does it by magically predicting what everybody is going to do next. Of course he calls it tactics but it is practically magic. “Haha, I predicted that none of the enemy bullets would hit you, while you run to get into the robot against my orders, wearing a green skirt and having French fries for dinner.”
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>>122688599

The fact that I didn't watch the s2 with /a/ and now it's on my backlog forever.
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And don’t think the lame tributes to retro anime will end there. In order for the base to continue having food and otaku related nonsense the teenagers need to raise funds. A decade ago we had Starship Operators where the teenagers there had to turn the war into a reality show. If you think that was silly, Valvrave goes even beyond that by having the teenagers gathering money by doing j-pop musicals.

I would gladly accept all the pandering if the show was like Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure or Tengen Toppa but the problem is that it ain’t. It is not GAR brilliance but rather a dork gamer’s wet dream. Seriously, teenagers who are into sports or have girlfriends will find this show lame for deifying geeks. The protagonist has enough firepower to wipe out armies and is otherwise screaming like a monkey for being hugged by a girl who simply wants to thank him for saving her. Yet he saves the day and everyone cheers for him in every episode for being the waste of flesh he is. Last time I checked heroes are supposed to have guts or charisma and he has none. Hell, he doesn’t even look memorable; he is just another cookie cutter dude you will forget by tomorrow. And furthermore everyone in this show is constantly using cell phones, plays videogames, sleeps with huge anime pillows, is a hikikomori, or acts like a spaz. NOBODY IS MANLY!
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I have a hard time getting into these modern anime who do nothing but pandering to dork otakus and don’t try to tell a good story. I am a big anime fan but back in my teens shows were a lot more about characterization than fancy pink explosions or advertisements for videogames. Mecha anime were war dramas or psychological thrillers, this is closer to a school ecchi 4-panel comedy than a mecha action show. And it doesn’t work; especially when they try to build drama. The hero is too afraid to approach anyone because he thinks he will harm them with his vampire lust. BOOHOOHOO is this supposed to be taken seriously? It’s not like he was going to do anything more with any girl even if was still normal. Why? BECAUSE HE IS A SPINELESS PUSSY! He gets his own imba mecha, has hax vampire skills, saved millions of lives, all the chicks love him, and he loses his mojo as easily as he gained it. If somebody thinks this is either cool or tragic then he needs to stop reading bad fan fiction.

Well done Sunrise; you managed to make a fool of yourself once again. At least Code Geass had a good first season before you blew it all up. And at least the white dressed racist aristocrats there didn’t have red mascara around their eyes to make them look so gay. I bet you realized you will never write a proper plot ever again so instead of delaying the inevitable you start the fail right away. Well, at least this way nobody will have high hopes and will not be disappointed later on. And I see you already decided to prepare us for that by the title of your next show. Why bother to find a cool name like Valrave when the show is so retarded? Just name it Butt Buddy Complex.
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VVV shitposting belongs to /m/
Fuck off
Mods plz, this thread is a repost of /m/ copypastas, do your job
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>>122688599
Haruto being a gutless wuss, the story making no logical sense, and having zero entertainment value.
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>>122694045
They are all valid complaints against the show. No amount of bitching you do will change the fact that Haruto was a terrible character/protagonist and the worst part of the show.
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>>122688599
Cain didn't win in the end.
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>>122694749
So it's okay to have a thread made of /m/ copypastas just because (according to you) they're right

Fucking Woxxy enabling these shitposters with his shit archives, saged and reported
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>>122690006
No he didn't, pic very related
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>>122688599
Haruto didn't die in ep 1.
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The Vampire Illuminati did NOTHING wrong. They were keeping two competing powers in check.
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>>122695244
This, Cain was the true hero. He was grand, noble, loyal to his people and his friends, had a pretty good reason for why he's done the things he's done, and had a much better death scene. The scenes where he was grading everyone on performance was funny, but it was sweet when he was proud of X-eins for his willingness to sacrifice himself for trying to avenge his friend. Cain valued loyalty and friendship above all, and it showed when not only did he risk his life to honor his promise to Prue to save Pino, when he could have just as easily destroyed VVV1 right away. And of course in the end, he give up the last of his power to save Prue's life, showing how much of friends they were to each other. Cain had one of the best death scenes in the entire series.
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>>122695244
I'm struggling to think of another time where the illuminati were completely in the right.
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>>122689033
>Too much Shoko.

The problem was there was not enough Shoko. They just wrote her out of the second season and then expected people to understand when she did a complete character 180.
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>>122695244
They really didn't. They were keeping the world order and relative peace and the idiot kids threw the world into mass chaos and paranoia.
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>>122690368
Pick it up. It's fun and L-Elf, Saki, Akira and A-drei among others make it worth it. L-Elf's the focus of the story, even if Haruto's the supposed protagonist, he was just a tool to make L-Elf become nicer and the leader everyone needed.
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>>122690805
>Nana Mizuki
>ruining anything
Kill yourself, infidel.
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>"i'll be the sugar to your coffee"
>sugar dissolves into coffee
>haruto dies and l-elf becomes a nicer person

deepest bore
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>>122695867
L-Elf was already a decent person on his own, Haruto had no effect on him. If anyone had an effect on him it was Lisolette.
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>>122695873
She is a terrible singer that keeps getting cast in shitty anime.
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>122696135
>terrible singer

I would call you a shit taste faggot, but since you're clearly deaf you wouldn't be able to read it.
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I feel like watching VVV will be like watching GC

>tfw you will never experience GC / VVV / Code Geass threads
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>>122695867

>It's fun
It really isn't. Half of the show is Haruto whining about 'muh curse' rather than actually doing anything about it. And the rest is filled with bland side characters that are wholly uninteresting.
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>>122695867
Except that Haruto has three times as much screen time as L-Elf and his 'muh curse' is thrust in your face despite them making you not care about it.
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>>122690006
No he didn't. His robot raped someone.
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>>122690368
Don't, it's not worth anyone's time.
Instead watch either Cross Ange, which is actually fun, or Aldnoah Zero, which is basically Valvrave: the good version.
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>>122696837
>Aldnoah
>good

This is a joke, right?
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Wow tons of valvrave amnesia. Let me be clear, this show is a train wreck but NOT because of haruto. He is at first a useless pussy shit but he does get development. After he figures out muh curse is because of the valvraves he is against anyone but him using them. When people use them anyway they mostly agree to keep the curse secret so no one pities them. Haruto for unexplained reasons is the most affected by the curse but is rarely crying about it and instead just seems to take more and more responsibility to prove he is reliable. Watch the second season again and you'll see haruto is pretty much in control most of the time and playing off L-Elf to get shit done. Those two are the main ones doing anything important most of the time. Haruto redeems his early beta faggotry and bangs best girl Saki. Meanwhile shoko is being a shit and remains a shit the whole time until she becomes and immortal shit. Haruto is fine, shoko ruins the whole show and should have stayed dead after ep1
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I've always wondered. Is it a bot that detects Valvrave threads and spams copypasta from the archives? Or has someone actually been doing it all manually for years?
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>>122697327
>rarely complains
He complained about it every other episode.
>prove he is reliable
And he isn't. That was even directly stated by L-Elf.
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>>122697327
>development
>continuously loses his resolve and whines about the curse
Yeah, right.
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>>122697327
>bangs Saki
And he considers it the worst mistake of his life.
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>>122697485
>>122697485
If anything he's concerned he might lose control and kill and rape people from his curse but he does show responsibility like when he then tried to marry Saki. Yes at first L-Elf thought he was useless and would rather he could pilot the ValVrave but Haruto grows a pair and L-Elf even lets Haruto feed off him. L-Elf could have killed (and almost did) Haruto if he wasn't reliable but Haruto proved his usefulness later as he developed.
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>>122697327
>bangs best girl Saki
Doesn't count. He was possessed by a robot. The robot raped Saki.
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>>122697327
Here is a list of reasons as to how wrong you are >>122693573
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>>122697904
>concerned about hurting others
No he wasn't. He only was concerned Shoko wouldn't like him, he cared nothing about anyone else.
>proved his usefulness
Like when Thunda and Kyuma almost died because he ignored the current battle. Or when he got 80% of the school killed. Or when L-Elf was influenced by Liselotte to make a home for Magius. Or when he needs L-Elf to fight Cain for him.
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>>122688599
Basically everything. Haruto, vampires bullshit, aimless plot, the second season.
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>>122688599
Untalented writers not knowing what glorious train wreck they had on their hands. They even admitted to not giving a fuck but this might be hearsay since I've only heard it secondhand on /a/.

Had they just let the stupidity play out instead of trying to make sense of the plot we would've ended with something special. Instead we just got this middle of the road bullshit that took itself too seriously during the second cour.
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>>122688599
Haruto being an unlikable jackass that constantly makes everything he touches worse. He has no charisma, no one respected him, he couldn't pilot for shit, he is wrong about everything, even at the end most people were rooting for Cain, and the sole good thing he did was die.
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>>122697327
>Haruto is pretty much in control most of the time
Which is why whenever anyone asked his for his opinion on something important he said "Just ask L-Elf". Or how eveything completely fell apart when Haruto failed to explain to everyone.
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>>122688599
Haruto never grew any balls and never evolved beyond the little shit he was in episode 1.
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It wasn't a 24 minute loop of Preserved Roses.
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Everything
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>>122688599
Everything.
>Characters
For starters we have Harutard, a weak spineless idiot that delves into pointless angst that is completely avoidable and only serves to make a situation worse despite telling us he is a hero and a good protagonist. He ends up unlikable because he does nothing to further the plot or better himself and everyone cheered when he died because he was such a shit.
Brain problems is a retarded little girl that only serves to be a plot device to make the show take a turn for the worse. She has no character outside of being a retard.
Sue-Elf exists to "fix" the plot and move it along. No character development and exits the show as he entered.
The side characters are boring stereotypes with no change, development, or impact on the plot.
The villains are one note, predictable, and boring with little motivations other than being mustache twirlingly evil.
>Plot
Space vampire. If you don't know what is wrong with this already, you are an idiot. But aside from that nothing happens or gets accomplished.
>Animations
Valvrave had terrible animation. It was fucking recycled "Swoop in and beam spam." The animation was rigged and sterile which made everything come off as slow and sluggish and creates a dissonance between the narrative and the animation. One of the perks of CGI animation is the abilitiy to pull off more interesting and/or difficult choreogrophy and cinematogrophy. Valvrave, however, refused to do so and utilized a static camera with absolutely no interesting compositions.
>Music
Only T.M. Revolution saves this shit one point when it is otherwise filled with bad singers and uninspired tracks
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>>122699832
This
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>>122697943
She was willing, not rape
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>>122688599
Haruto, everything wrong with the show can be traced back to him.
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>>122688599

Aniplex
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>>122688599
Haruto didn't die when L-Elf stabbed him.
This show would have been so much better without him.
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