Fate Stay/Night: Unlimited Blade Works

With all that said, if you keep your expectations low, you will enjoy it as a rule of cool type of show, filled with lots of flashy battles, extremely polished visuals, and poser characters you want to cosplay as. It’s a very fun show if you see it just as a spectacle. The problem surfaces when you DON’T see it simply as a spectacle and instead try to make it seem like it’s more than that. I said you should keep your expectations low but how is that humanly possible when the anime was hyped all the way to the moon as soon as its production was announced, and how can you possibly remain calm and reserved about it when it got an average score of 9/10 before it even began to air. I am not kidding you; it was placed instantly at the top ten highest rated anime of all times before the first episode was even out. The average dropped since then, but not significantly, and you can bet a thousand bucks how it will stay in the top 20 for a loooong time. Because that is the power of its fandom and they won’t let you speak otherwise.

Anyways, the story is very basic and simple. Seven people get a super warrior each and fight each other because there can be only one. The winner gets a wish and becomes a puela magi. What complicates this one line of a story is how the tiniest and most unimportant of events needs to be stretched out to last as much as possible, and a plot that could have ended in 2 episodes if it was pragmatic, is instead stretched to last 10 times as much. How is that possible, you may ask. Is the show mostly made up of fillers? No, but it’s instead filled with lots and lots of extra fluff to not allow the average viewer to realize he is watching something that has no progress. Here is how it keeps you distracted.

Cool fedora bro

1) Infodump. Half of the whole show is people talking and explaining shit. And by explaining, I don’t simply mean they explain their strategies to the opponent or comment on everything that happens in case the viewer has his IQ lower than that of an ape. It does that too, but it is a drop in the ocean before the dreaded infodumping. Dear lord, they talk for hours about how magic works and what it can do and what are the limitations, and they use fancy words, and they explain it again, and then they go over it every time something new appears, and SHUT UP ALREADY! Why am I wasting my time looking at people walking in circles and using weird words?

See, this is part of what made the source material so famous. It’s a porn game with a complicated terminology you can talk about for hours that makes you look smart and not like a ronery who faps to cartoons. And by the end of the day none of all that matters because IT’S MAGIC; IT MAKES NO SENSE. Plus, even if it was science that for some reason the porn game managed to present it in a completely realistic manner, it would still not mean anything, since it still works any way the writer wants it to work. Really, it’s as random as it gets. One person needs to train for a decade, be fully aware of how magic works, and chant for a whole minute for something magical to take place (that would be Rin), and another person casts commands, summons super warriors, and avoids death rays without having a clue of what the fart is going on (that would be Shiro).

2) Fooling around. Half of the other show is about the characters not doing what they are supposed to be doing. I mean, can you imagine how completely retarded it feels to have a person who really wants to win in this death tournament, saving the life of another contestant, explaining all it needs for him to survive in this war, and then proceed into trying to kill him, thus rendering all that she did so far to be completely pointless? Or do you know how eye-rolling it is for another person to let her enemies escape because it was a fun game and wants to play more? Or a super warrior not killing an enemy because she was his ADOPTED SISTER FROM A PAST LIFE. I am not kidding you, none of the characters take their roles seriously; they are in a death tournament where it is “kill or be killed” and treat everything as if it’s an amusement park.

Now I am very aware of how the fanboys excuse all that. How could we get to know the characters if they would be killed right away and the show would be over in a few episodes? That’s impossible to happen if the show made sense. After all, it’s dumb entertainment for shonentards, so it’s ok to... WHOOPS! I meant sophisticated storytelling for mature people such as myself; there is nothing wrong with this anime; it’s perfect.

Ok, you are not convincing me, it’s still silly. There is so much plot armour for the protagonist, and so much plot convenience when not killing people even when they should normally do, to the point I no longer care about the characters because their conflict feels staged. I also can’t see this show as dumb action because they keep trying to trick me (and fail) into believing it is far more than just that. It falls right into the pretentious territory, a thing which I happen to hate because it wants to make the viewer over-think stuff and trick him to believe he is smart for doing that.

Typemoonies would be more tolerable if they didn´t think their chuuni shit was high literature or something

Currently watching through the UBW movie, mainly for the soundtrack and the actors who scream all their lines

I wonder how hard does this illusion break once you realize that you get unforgettable quotes such as “people die when they are killed” coming from a guy who cheats death three times per episode because he is a bland shonen protagonist. I also wonder how hard is it to realize there are no consequences in a story where they keep telling you a wish can change the whole world, when the world is otherwise completely autistic to this war and its participants. Yes, they keep saying that they cover it up but just what is there to cover when they cause a dozen explosions per episode and none in the city sees or hears the slightest thing. It’s as if the characters all suffer from chuunibyou and the battles take place only in their childish minds, with the adults walking by and shaking their heads upon seeing them doing all that make-belief nonsense.

So down to it, what is this show exactly? It’s a silly fighting shonen with very good production values that pretends to be intelligent by overcomplicating everything. It’s fun if you still like Naruto but not if you are past the age when you still like teenagers with superpowers and unforgettable quotes such as “the archer class is made of archers”.

>>122684668
It has entertaining characters and an interesting premise. Nobody is here for the writing, dialogue or themes.

>>122684703
come on now

>>122684716
I think that it's fair to say that a reasonable person would have enough information from all that to know how Nasu approaches characters and narratives, and what sort of themes he likes to explore. I don't care for his ideas, I think they're extremely childish, and his characterizations are immature try-hard attempts at exploring serious themes.

Copy-pasta. Really fucking poor bait.

I don't really like the anime adaptation though, and UBW needs to be in context after Fate route. That's it's seen by some a sequel to Fate/Zero drives me a bit mad.

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>>122684626
You really tried hard with this one

>>122684785
Can you explain why it drives you mad?

>>122684785
This seems like a lot of work for pasta, I mean, five posts?

too long; didn't read lol

>>122684626
http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2lrfhn/spoilers_my_opinion_on_fatestay_night/

>HOLY SHIT, THIS IS AMAZING, EVERYONE COME OVER HERE AND CHECK IT OUT ITS INCREDIBLE. This guy has an opinion.....Holy fuck why does everyone care so much about their own opinion of a show. My friend, look at it this way. You obviously don't like this anime. There is nothing wrong with not liking an anime, its fully understandable and something that cannot be changed. However, plenty of other people love the shit out of it (me included), that is also something that cannot be changed.

>>122684798
Because Zero just spoils everything from F/SN, for one. Also, I don't really like Zero.

>>122684853
What didn't you like Zero?

Guys you're missing the point!
Here it is ---> .

>>122684626
tl;dr: power levels with waifu faggotry

>>122684900
I just liked the male characters and music

Waifus and powerlevels attracts autists like moths to the flames

>>122684871
Because in my mind it's going to be compared to F/SN. It has worse characters, worse discussion on high level themes, and following up Fate/Stay Night with Kiritsugu feels really fucking cheap. I can only think of one fight scene I liked.

>>122684960
What did you think of Hollow Ataraxia?

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>>122684900
>not reading Fate for based husbundos.

>>122685005
I like that it expanded on the characters. It's purely fanservice, but it's enjoyable fanservice.

>>122684900
Fate threads = Powerlevels and Waifu faggotry
F/SN != Powerlevels and Waifu faggotry

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>>122684845

It would be a ThatAnimeSnob's copypasta.

F/SN as a whole is a soft 7/10.

>>122684626

Is this the real Snob?

Maybe falling for it, maybe not.

1)

I'm an avid reader and videogame player outside of visual novels, yes, yet I still enjoyed the F/SN franchise more than almost any other work. Why? Mainly because I like the setting see/read more of them when given the chance. They are relatively general reasons that could be applied to many other kinds of work, but that doesn't mean I've not got more niche reasons to go along with them, which I guess a lot of people can relate to, but for the sake of simplicity let's leave it at that.

Calling it a porn game is nothing but preposterous; it has got sex scenes, but the game isn't based around those. They were only added back in the day to attract more possible buyers, the story could work just fine without them (see PS Vita version.) It's also technically not a harem, since the relationship associated to each heroine is shut inside each route, as they are completely different stories.

The infodumps about the functioning of magic and other themes are necessary. That's what differenciates it from its animated counterparts, and one can tell by the amount of persons asking otherwise obvious questions had they read through it all. Also, Nasu is very accustomed to the use of purple prose, delivering us the thoughts of the main character in every moment as they cross his mind, for instance. It's a matter of choice of style, and I enjoy it.

2)

Shirou revolves around being a very special case of a magus with very particular talents and inner workings, he's not comparable to a formal magus like Tohsaka. His various kinds of "plot armour" are highly foreshadowed on and also happen within a determinated context. Taking all the choices the game presents to us into account, he could be dead in pretty much every single dangerous situation; it's also a conglomerate of fortunate events and decisions.

Every example listed there as "eye-rolling" attitude and other assumptions about the characters' behaviour are either taken wrong from the start or makes sense. Makes me wonder if whoever wrote that really took the time to read it, as neither is Illya's goal to murder everyone and winning the war after meeting Shirou nor is Archer's decision to "not kill" someone that bland, as he doesn't even care about the war itself at all.

Everything mentioned about "tricking you into thinking" and "pretentious" is foolish. What part of trying to think stuff over is bad, or what does it make the work not qualitative of expending any extra minute on it exactly? As you may be aware, the creative process towards building a story is nothing to be taken lightly. Any piece of work is given tons of dedication, thought and motivation. Trying to read between the lines and/or trying to read what's on the author's mind is something great to do. Quoting a certain visual novel's catchphrase, "Without love, it cannot be seen."

3)

Golliwog. Disregard possible text misplacement, writting from a jurasic mobile phone is complicated.

Forgot to add, fun things are fun.

>>122684626
>My only reply to such people would be a simple question: How many good books have you read in your life, and how many games have you played that are not visual novels? 95% chance, his reply will be zero.
Haha, joke's on you, I have also read the literary maserpiece known as Porry Gatter and the Stoned Philosopher, and I can confirm that Nasu is officially cool as ice, I guarantee it!
Seriously though, it's such a retarded point. Even if it weren't generalising horrendously and assuming stuff about people without asking them, it's just a retarded point.
Whether something is porn or not has got literally no relation to what whose like it have read besides it.
Also (translation of) Nasu is at least just as well written as (translation of) Plato, anyway. Sometimes the actual quality of writing is not that important.

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>using the term "fandom" unironically
>that wall of text

Tl;dr

>>122686842
>Sometimes the actual quality of writing is not that important
When you read something that is like 3000+ pages worth of text you can damn be sure that the quality of writing is important

>writing a short essay just to justify your hate of something
Something's wrong with you OP. You're not forced to like it. You're not forced to read Type moon threads for that matter, either.

>>122686918
Well, it is a good point; Plato's Dialogues are usually shorter... I think (I haven't read his longer pieces yet, so can't say for sure). My point was that not everybody who is considered a classic now had such a mastery of writing either.
Though I guess, I haven't read him in original anyway, so this point probably doesn't stand.
To be fair, I actually kinda like Nasu's style for whatever reason. Maybe it's because English is not my first language, but I thought his style really suited Tsukihime well, for example. And even in Fate I enjoyed it thoroughly.
>>122686980
It's a copypasta.

>>122686569
>>122686599
>>122686842
Basically this.

>>122686999
Yeah, I can relate to the Ctrl+S.

>>122686999
>copypasta
>3 results in the archive
So its some faggot trying to force his shit on people.

>>122684626
>The Fate franchise is affiliated with the most famous porn game of all times
It's not though.
TM fans tend to overrate the popularity of Fate in general, it's not even close to some of the titles that were released during the 90's and sold millions.

FSN as a whole is a good VN that was released at a good time, I pretty much never met anyone who actually know japanese and play a lot of VNs call it the best they did but anyone who consider it shit is just trolling

>>122687155
Nah, it's from reddit. Read the thread.
>>122684845

Hey guys I'm really confused about how to get into this franchise. There's all these different versions and other works I don't know where to start.

Help me out, please!

>>122687253
Follow these advices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAx8f-VGzCw

>>122687253
Start with Fate/stay night or Tsukihime and work your way around it.

>>122687253
That's it, 500 posts in less than 30 minutes confirmed.
You guys always fall for this shit

>>122687253

Fate/Stay Night 2012 Realta Nua PC version should be what you gun for first.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=427133
https://mega.co.nz/#!kgpDWBDC!_AauU3aHQ8WATX4Lm6OyTc5tGKNG_sGieK1mDHM9gI4
Download, read the readmes, the order of routes is Fate -> UBW -> HF.

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>>122687253
OK

>>122687312
Oh, but this chart is a bit outdated.
Hollow Ataraxia is now fully translated, no problems with it.
UBW by ufotable is apparently decent; I haven't watched it personally. I think it would be best to read the VN anyway, though, since it's unlikely anime has managed to translate everything into another medium.

>>122687279
>Kirei command me to finish reading KT right now
Yes, my lord.

>>122687312
Also, this: >>122687305

>>122687312
http://pastebin.com/BxZKmaaw

It could use some updating, but this is far and away the best guide.

>>122687442
It's more of a resources reference than a guide; it doesn't recommend the order and doesn't give hints on the best way to read the novels.
I should have mentioned it too, though. It slipped my mind.

>>122687479
You know that F/SN and Tsukihime come with readmes right?

>>122687556
They do, and I have read them, but some people don't.
And anyway, redundancy of this kind of information is overall beneficial.

>>122684626
>>122684635
>>122684652
>>122684663
>>122684682
All this pasta and no sauce.

Tsukihime is a doujin visual novel, released in December 2000 by TYPE-MOON. It tells the story of Tohno Shiki, who since a life-threatening accident in his youth is cursed with the ability to see “lines” on everything around him. Lines along which objects can easily be cut.
Having lived with foster parents for seven years, Shiki is recalled to the household of his family. He had lost all contact with his family over this entire period, making it difficult for him to get used to the new situation. As he gradually learns more about his past, the situation becomes more and more unfamiliar and dangerous.


—-The one who obtains the Holy Grail will have any wish come true.

The Holy Grail War.
A great ritual that materializes the greatest holy artifact, the Holy Grail.
There are two conditions to participate in this ritual.
To be a magus, and to be a “Master” chosen by the Holy Grail.
(The experience as a magus is not questioned if one has the aptitude)

There are seven chosen Masters, and seven classes of Servants.

There is only one Holy Grail.
If you wish for a miracle.
Prove that you are the strongest with your powers.

>>122687746
Sauce: http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2lrfhn/spoilers_my_opinion_on_fatestay_night/
Read the thread.

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How much of the TM wikia is bullshit? it's obviously edited and written from different people and I don't know if all of it is credible. Feels like a fanfic at times.

Should I watch UBW now or wait for the BDs?

>>122687751
An interesting question: if the ritual was successful, who would claim the Third Magic?
Would it be the winner or somebody from the Three Families or whatever bum happens to crawl into the hole in the sky?
What exactly was everyone supposed to do once the route is open?

>>122687809
Like 50%.

>>122687809
Just check the sources. Always.

>>122687809
How much content in most Wikipedia articles is bullshit?
There is your answer.

>>122687809
Surprisingly the French TM wikia is far and away better.

>>122687778
This isn't gonna be good.

Ilyasviel or Illyasviel?

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Do I need to watch/read anything else in the franchise to understand the new UBW anime?

>>122688023
Yes.

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some anons last night were looking for F/HA sprites. reposting because no one reads the archive.

>you can extract the assets yourself.

>download Crass from the TLwiki: http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=File:Crass-0.4.14.0.bin.7z

>read \documentation\en\kirikiri2.txt
>use cxdec=FHA parameter to extract

i uploaded raw, unsorted bitmaps from said extract here:
https://mega.co.nz/#!Ns4wnTaS!1GQ9s0zn9MVWjZSNJ_6QORdvLJCvwWSqXAbqOZEsb_Q
for filthy secondaries.

>>122687813
You need the knowledge the Einzberns have to get it. It's something exclusive to the Fuyuki Grail System, and which requires the prior knowledge from the Einzberns once the gate is opened. For anyone else, it's just a gate to [ ] that'll kill you because the second you open it, a Guardian will step out from the other side and obliterate you before you can step inside.

Well, there are ways around it, like how Shiroumine uses his Skeleton Key plus First Folio to hack into Justeaze. If you do something like that you can get Third access without being an Einzbern, but nobody in FSN or FZ has the ability to do that.

>>122687809
If it doesn't have a footnote, it's probably fanon. Just trust nothing. McJon and Seika's docs are much better info sources. The French TM wiki is also surprisingly good. The Japanese TM wiki is even worse than the English one though, christ it's bad.

>>122688023
For one, ufotable is adapting UBW in a way where they expect viewers to have watched F/Z.

>>122688044
Cool, now give us the F/SN ones.

>>122688067
What? No they're not.

>>122688051
Why were they so hung up on winning the war then, if nobody could use the route until they please, anyway?

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>>122688044
>>122688112
Can't you just download all this shit from the beasts lair wiki, that's where I got mine.

>>122688112
Aren't they basically the same?

>>122688023
In the original VN, you only read UBW after you finished the first route, Fate.
With the adaptation, I seriously have no idea. I haven't watched it yet.
For whatever it's worth, Fate/Stay Night in general can be read without any prior knowledge.

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Why is she angry? Not enough worms in her breakfast? Zouken getting soft.

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>>122688051

The counter force can't react at all once the way is open. The counter force only reacts to people trying to open the gate (Nasu hinted that it guided Shirou and company a tiny bit). Counter Guardians are even further from this idea, they only respond to threats to all of humanity.
The reason people never come back from the root is unknown. Touko just says that nobody has ever come back as an absolute rule.

Mahoyo does has some sort of thing that judges whether you're worthy when you do find the way, but it's unrelated to the counter force as far as we know. It might be specific to the 5th magic too.

>>122688023
No, you can dig right in.

http://utw.me/tag/unlimited-blade-works/

You are going to have to wait a while for all of it to be animated, though.

>>122688131
Magi will take any chance they have to reach [ ], even if the odds are as close to zero as possible. It doesn't help that the Tohsakas don't really know about how it all actually works and that Zolgen's gone senile and obsessed with immortality and his cup waifu. People who aren't members of the three families get lured in by the premise of "you'll get your wish granted, we promise", but the war's always just a sham.

If you don't use the power to punch a hole to [ ] and decide to actually use it on a normal wish, it's just a simple sacrificial ritual, a typical ritual at a grander scale, so it can only actualize "miracles" that are mundane. That's the limit of artificial miracles, so your wish can't be anything too big because the ritual's so mundane.

Meanwhile you've got Moon Cell with its world-altering bullshit by making it an administrator instead of an overseer. It can make every girl on earth your imouto. That's a canon example of a Moon Cell-grantable wish.

>>122688206
What? I'm not talking about Counter Guardians, just Guardians.

The reason people don't come back from the Root is that they dissolve into it. That's why Magicians are failures, and why Araya's Stillness gave him a nonzero chance of sticking around in some form or fashion. Apparently Buddhas reached [ ] though, so that's weird, but we can chalk it up to Moon Cell shenanigans.

Alaya-tan following Aoko around in Mahoyo is because Magicians are enemies of the World. We've known that for a long time. The World hates Magicians.

>>122688183
Fate/Stay Night EXPECTS you to have completely read all of Tsukihime, Melty Blood and Kara no Kyoukai. What are you talking about?

>>122688257
>What? I'm not talking about Counter Guardians, just Guardians.

Then I have no idea what you're referring to. The root doesn't defend itself (unless that thing is part of the root) and the counter force defends itself through manipulated humans.
Nothing "steps out and obliterates" whoever opens the gate (again except maybe that red thing which may never be explained).

>>122688264

It doesn't expect you to have read those at all. From where do you reach this conclusion?

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>>122684626
3/10 made me reply

>>122688264
No it doesn't.
I read only Tsukihime from these three, and did it postfactum. I still understood everything just fine. It helps if you read these things, but it's not important, since FSN is supposed to be kinda standalone.
And yes, I will read through KnK and Melty Blood later, after I finish KT.

>>122688257
>can't do anything too big
>almost kill every single person on the planet
Totally mundane and not impressive.

>>122688350
READ THE VNS
READ THE VNS
READ THE VNS

>>122688206
>Nasu hinted that it guided Shirou and company a tiny bit
Where?
It makes sense but need sauce.

>>122688409
But I did.
There are no more VNs for me to read. It's all LNs and fighting games afterwards.

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Alright, I think I figured it out.

Archer seems to know exactly who Saber is and why she's fighting, based on the fact that last episode he told Shirou that Saber is probably the only Servant who joined the War out of her own will.

He appears to be familiar with the Holy Grail since he dismissed it as a "malevolent treasure chest". Of Arthur's knights, three managed to attain the Grail - Galahad, Bors, and Percival.

He dismisses Shirou's idea of fighting only for others as being hypocrisy. Lancelot criticised Saber for the same thing in Zero.

He also hesitated and reacted visibly when he first fought Saber at the end of episode 0, reinforcing the possibility that he recognized either her or at least some aspect of her.

The clinchers:

He has Caladbolg, which is also known as Caledfwlch in Welsh, Calesvol in Cornish, and ultimately Excalibur in the Matter of Britain.

And finally we see him here on the same hill on a battlefield that Saber was on in the past.

So the possibility is either that Archer is one of the Knights of the Round Table (unlikely because Saber would recognize him like she recognized Lancelot), or that he is actually King Arthur, who attained the Holy Grail, and, like Saber plans to do, wished that he would not become King of Britain and someone else would instead. This changed history so that instead of him, a girl called Artoria became King of Britain, but made the same mistakes, leading to the current timeline in which King Arthur is a girl.

This post is relevant because it comes from the same guy who made the pasta http://www.reddit.com/user/TheAnimeSnob

>>122688417

It's a really vague hint.
Fate/Complete Material III

>Q: It's thought that Sakura had become "a threat to humanity" in the Sakura route, but was the human Counter Force in action at this time?
>A: It hadn't occurred at that stage yet. ....On the other hand, whether or not the Counter Force moved could turn into one of those endless arguments...

>>122688434
Well, OK, except for Aoko's Misadventures but that one will have to wait until I learn Japanese.

>>122687236
It's on Anime Planet too.

What's wrong with wanting people to see your opinions?

>>122688304
The Red Shadow? That's just Alaya, nothing to do with [ ]. She just chases Magicians and looks scary.

Also technically [ ] does defend itself passively, in culling all the fetuses with an origin of [ ]. Some slip through the cracks though, like Void Shiki and Manaka-chan.

Counter Guardians are the deterrent, Guardians are the broader category for any less-deified Heroic Spirit. They're reactive either way, but the World will still rebel against anyone opening a gate because Enemy of the World.

Also didn't put this in my last reply because I was looking through Mahoyo stuff for it, but here

>Aoko: I mean that no one touching the Root has ever come back. On a global scale. You touch it, you cease to exist on the spot. The very moment the likes of a human soul touches it, it’ll go back to “where it came from" or be absorbed into the Root, or something.

>>122688385
It wouldn't, though. It'd fuck up, it's only got a trillion units of prana and a bunch of curses.

Unless humanity acknowledged that it wanted to die, so Alaya doesn't get in the way, Gaia doesn't see it as a threat, so it doesn't get in the way, Atlas doesn't bother with it, so their weapons don't get in the way, and so on, it wouldn't get very far.

Don't forget that the total amount of prana generated by the Grail's wish is about equivalent to the backup any true Counter Guardian gets as a present from the World. Compared to modern magecraft and most of the stuff the Association does, yeah, it's good, but even the modern Association has its own disasters that could be worse, to say nothing of the fact that there's a whole branch of the Counter Force that'd probably step in once a few million (maybe hundred million) people die. Well, unless it decides that's not its issue, but in that case Gaia would do something unless Alaya decided it wasn't its issue because humanity's primal desire is to die.

>>122688447
So why didn't anyone spoil the guy yet?

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>>122688447
Someone please show that faggot this picture.

>>122688447
Is this bait or is he really so innocent?

>>122688153
i'll be honest, i saw "Fate/Stay Night" and didn't bother to click through to see if it included Hollow Ataraxia.

i think i spent less time extracting the assets than it would have taken to rip from the wiki by character.

hmm... but delicious png...

>>122688447
B-But its really obvious that he is Shirou from a different time line in the future. I have neither read the VN nor seen the previous adaption, but this is pretty clear.

>>122688486

I don't recall the red thing being identified in story, but I'm not that stellar at reading all of Nasu's goddamn kanji messes.

I'm still pretty certain the world never takes overt action against people who open the root, though, or it should have happened in HF. Heroic spirits are called up against all-consuming threats, someone leaving the world is a personal threat rather than a threat to everyone.

What generally happens is that people are either prevented from opening the way entirely due to the counter force shutting them down, or what Aoko says there: they go through and just plain don't come back. Nothing about being nuked.

>>122688447
He copied and pasted that post from /a/ in the first place. His post was made on Nov 22nd 21:53:36 but it first appears in the archives on Nov 22nd 20:32:37.

Unless he posted it on /a/ before reposting it on plebbit.

>>122688447
This would make more sense if King Arthur was known for using Excalibur exclusively by shooting it from a bow, and doing all his CQC with Chinese swords

>>122688486
Sauce on "it wouldn't actually kill anybody"?

>>122688581
>muh precious clubhouse

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>>122688447
Anyone else think that Archer uses Caladbolg ironically because he knows it's a mythological ancestor of Excalibur which he is unable to project?

>>122688653
But he is erased himself so Arturia become known as king Artur.

>>122688656
Good reading comprehension.
>that'd probably step in once a few million (maybe hundred million) people die

Anyway that's enough nasuposting for today, leaving before this turns into power levels.

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>>122688684
He can make a close copy of it though.

>>122688684

In Type-Moon, Excalibur is considered a custom made weapon with no prototype, its similarities to Caladbolg are superficial. (Excalibur Galatine, however, is based on Caladbolg's image. It also shoots a devastating wave of heat, but it's not made out of crystallized dreams or anything.)

How did Kirei feel when he found his dad dead in the Church?

>>122688684
He can UBW Excalibur, but it would require more prana than usual and anyone in vicinity will be killed.

Rewatching Fate/Zero, no idea how people watch this show first.

>>122688733
And yet Lancer can easily kill him without runes.

>>122688810
>no idea how people watch this show first.
When it aired it was probably a lot of people's first exposure to the Fate franchise.

But now? I have no idea either.

>>122688796
It's also considered so busted it can't be called "Excalibur" anymore.
When conditions for forging iron improves (which is effectively a bullshit "when I feel like it") like in the moon cell's far side, he can get even closer to the point it can be called Excalibur again, but it's still degraded.

>>122688653
This
>King Arthur
>Chinese swords
>Breaking news on the History channel! The origins of Chinese outsorcing everything are older than you might think!
Or alternatively:
>Our experts just confirmed that, astonishingly, 99% of Albion's population in the times of King Arthur were Asians with a tan! Historians are baffled by how it came to be that nowadays, 120% of the population of the same area are white Christian heterosexual males.

>>122688718
Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.
In any case, is there any sauce or is it just conjecture?

>>122688833
We have never seen Archer and Lancer fight all out, we have no idea how Lancer would react when battling inside UBW itself.
Lancer does get defeated in (one route of) Fate/EXTRA for what it is worth (very little, as Alteration of the Soul permits twisting of the servant's capabilities).

>>122688874
We did and Archer's best defense got BTFO with just one Gae Bolg. No runes.

>>122689157
You're referring to their battle in UBW? The one where Archer was not trying to defeat Lancer at all, but merely waste time until Medea stopped scrying them so he could betray her?

>>122688794
Read the LN
He cried

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>>122684626
er. A combination of overly busy worldbuilding and affected, utterly self-serious dialogue makes the show's more dramatic moments often verge into self-parody, with characters' discussions of honor and power levels feeling more like a price of entry than an asset. This can't be understated - unless you find dialogue like “impressive - I should have taken your head seven times, but it remains attached” either thrilling or at least funny, Fate's writing will present some roadblocks. And beyond the individual lines of dialogue, in contrast to Fate/Zero's complex narrative web and clear themes, Unlimited Blade Works is both more simplistic in plotting (it only really follows two Masters as they wander about their days) and more half-baked in ideas.

The frequent betrayals and dramatic turns can sometimes feel based more in videogame logic than anything tangible. Characters will defeat others with powers they've only just introduced, rules of mage combat will be established only to be broken, and villains will repeatedly pull that “I'll get you next time!” trick before spiriting themselves away.

And on the thematic front, the show's reflections on justice and the meaning of a hero never really rise above the identities of the characters expressing them. The treacly fantasy writing attempts to dress up personal disagreements as philosophical battles, but the ultimate effect often just comes off as needlessly obtuse or totally incoherent. We know Shirou's naive, we don't need lofty speeches from every other character expressing that fact.

>>122689277
Wait, seriously?
Was it because he didn't get to kill him himself?
I should really read it on the next opportunity.
Not him, by the way.

>>122689313
>Was it because he didn't get to kill him himself?
Yes. His father's death is pretty much what makes him realize his true nature.

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>>122689282
− The show's fight dialogue and philosophical pretensions are a treacly mess. The narrative can sometimes feel like an excuse for the (awesome) fights.

Ultimately Fate Stay Night is a product of its time, an overly simplistic, otaku pandering product hailed as philosophical for purely superficial reasons. In contrast Fate/Zero was a well-written, deftly paced work by an actual novelist (Gen Urobuchi) with incredible characters, themes, and concepts.

>>122689200
Lancer wasn't seriously trying to kill Archer either.

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>starting an opinion post about a work of fiction with "ALRIGHT WELL I NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THE FANBASE DOES THIS THING THAT I FIND FAULT WITH"
Why would you do this other than to actively present yourself antagonistically?

>>122689466
Because it's bait

>>122689455
Flinging Gae Bolg at him is pretty much as angry as he gets, but he takes back his drive to murder immediately afterwards, yes. Cu is pretty perceptive, he realized something was up immediately after calming down from the goading.
If he were going all out, Cu would have impaled Archer immediately after Rho Aias shattered, not stared and wondered.

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>>122689455
>uses his most powerful NP
>wasn't seriously trying to kill Archer

I love Lancer to death but come on

>>122688451

It probably isn't even really a hint since the majority of the people involved never wanted the Grail in the first place and would destroy it if given the opportunity and sufficient information. All four of the protagonist masters involved with the dealings of other people in the last war (Sakura, Rin, Shirou, Ilya) don't even really want to use the grail system and would go about trying to destroy it. It has a 90% chance of being dismantled, destroyed, or shut down.

Thus the Counter Force doesn't need to guide them. Sakura effectively seals the leyline from becoming distorted enough to use for a similar ritual ever again in HF True.

Do you guys think Caster Cu in Grand Order can still Gae Bolg spam?

>>122689581
broken as shit.

>>122689543
He treats Gae Bolg as a toy. He only gets serious with runes which he dislikes since it makes everything easy.

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>>122689581
He wouldn't keep Gae Bolg since he's not Lancer

But you don't even need to spam Gay Bulge when you have RUNES.

>136 replies
Why

>>122689581
If he could, then we WOULD get the Holy Cu War, just as we wanted.
Thousands of Cu running around the world with their Gay Bulges... It sounds like a sight worth watching.

>>122689649
I honestly can't wait for Archer Hercules or any Assassin that isn't shit.

>>122689641
Because he's right? Just look at the thread. It's a bunch of Type Moonies discussing waifus and powerlevels. That's all this shit is good for.

I don't care if you like the VN, but if you actually think it's good you can fuck right off to /v/.

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>>122689641

Because all Type-Moon threads, especially the troll threads, become general Type-Moon discussion threads.

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>>122689641
Because Nasufags aren't going to miss the chance to salvage a thread that could potentially be used for powerlevel debates or maybe for something decent. Nobody cares about OP anyway a couple of posts in.
Picrelated.

>>122689641
>b8 thread is now a powerlevel/waifu thread
Pretty normal actually.

>>122689715
>WAHHH THEY DIDN'T BITE MY BAIT THEY NEED TO GO AWAY
I'll give you a nibble.

>>122689715
>I don't care if you like the VN, but if you actually think it's good you can fuck right off to /v/.
wat

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>>122689715
>Stop liking things that I don't like!
Heh.

>>122689715
All right fine, here's your reply.

>>122689200
Archer wasn't able to do anything but defending.

>>122688476

Nobody cares about that person or its opinions and the idea that it thinks we do is thoroughly insulting. Basically.

>>122685084
F/SN wasn't much better than it's shitty fanbase though.

>>122690047
Archer wasn't trying to do anything but defend.
He was trying to waste time.

>>122690623
Reread the fight.

>>122689559

They seriously need to make a story with Sakura as the Supervisor, it would be pretty awesome. I wonder if they would have Medusa as her personal secretary, with magi underestimating them for being cute girls. And Shirou being able to literally shit out swords with all the mana Sakura gives him.

Maybe even have some London exploits with Rin. I know Rin got brainwashed into living in poverty by Kotomine, but she should give up and just ask Sakura for money. Kick that pride of the older sister away and make a rational decision.

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>>122690623
*Bzzzt*

Sorry that's incorrect, try again.

>>122690702
The fight where Archer deliberately wasn't trying to counterattack or invoke his RM or anything other than waste time?
>>122690733
"As he could then". Not "cannot block Lancer's attack via any method known to him". He wasn't fighting seriously on the first night either and he's not fighting seriously here. Neither is Lancer.

What was up with that song that played in the final episode? was that the chick who sung the first OP from Fate zero ?

>>122690714
>literally shit out swords
>literally
Sounds painful.
>I know Rin got brainwashed into living in poverty by Kotomine
If she did, that was some shoddy brainwashing here.
He didn't make her think poverty is good, he just made her (relatively, compared to before) poor unintentionally, and then jusified it postfactum by "well, it will be educational for her... and for me too".

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>>122690791
Are you that delusional or just unable to read?

>>122690867
Nothing in that page indicates he cannot fight back either. Just that he's preferring not to be whittled down. Read the next page, how Archer rejoices that he can keep this up for quite awhile, because his only goal in this scene is to waste time until Medea stops paying attention.

>>122690215
But it was. It was still a good VN.

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>>122690903

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>>122690903
Learn to read

>>122690948
That's the page before, not the page after.

>>122690990
What's to read? Nothing in this argues against my point at all.
Lancer enjoys himself and Archer wastes time. Neither are serious.

>>122691026
>Archerfags
I don't even know anymore.
Archer can do absolutly nothing but defend himself

By the way, let's talk about Origins.
What Origin does Arcueid have? Does she even have one? Are Origins only limited to humans, Earth or are they spread throughout entire Universe? Does Crimson Moon have an Origin?
For that matter, does the entire universe stem from the Root, or is it just Earth? I think it should be universe but I'm not sure.

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>>122691075
Archer isn't trying to do anything but defend himself. Unless you think Kanshou and Bakuya are his only items?
Even Lancer reacts like "this guy's tough" and he knows he's not aiming to end it as fast and furious as possible.
Neither are showcasing their full ability or pushing themselves to their limit because neither of them really wants to win in this fight.

>>122691120
Well he doesn't have the chance to do anything but defend himself.

>>122691095
Wikia.

>>122691177
Nothing says that. The fight doesn't say "there's no possible opportunity for a counterattack with any of Archer's abilities" or "even if he projected more weapons, he could not turn the tide", etc. Archer does not show off anything but sword skill with Kanshou and Bakuya. In that regard alone he cannot fend off Lancer, but he also won't die.
I'd actually support Cuchulainn as the victor if they were to fight all-out, because Protection From Arrows allows him to neutralize Shirou's strongest method of controlling his opponent's behavior. I'm just noting that that fight was not them fighting all out in any regard.

>>122691095
>What Origin does Arcueid have?
Unknown,
>Does she even have one?
More than likely yes.
>Are Origins only limited to humans, Earth or are they spread throughout entire Universe?
Every living being with a exact point of existence should have an origin.
>Does Crimson Moon have an Origin?
Yes.
>For that matter, does the entire universe stem from the Root, or is it just Earth?
Akashic Records are universal it's not limited by Planet.

>>122688849

There's a theory out there that King Arthur was originally based on a Roman officer in charge of a detachment of Kazakh mercenaries or a Kazakh himself, so there is a possibility that he is Asian in appearance.

(I realize the Kazakh race only coalesced into it's identifiable form in the fifteenth century, but these mercenaries were from a precursor ethnic group that ranged from western China to Dacia)

>>122691357
Really?
That's kinda funny.
I would watch Kazakh Saber any day. Sounds like a fun concept.

>>122691263
Well let's see
>Lancer moves faster than Archer can see
>Archer has to constantly leave fatal openings
>has to dodge/block/deflect every thrust
Exactly how is he going to counterattack without getting skewered?

>>122691555
He was just playing, you twat. Archer could UBW him and be over, but he goal was to waste time.

>>122691633
You are just pretending to be retarded, right?

>>122691442

Yeah, late Roman military forces relied heavily on foreign auxiliary forces that were self equipped and fought in their original compositions, with maybe a Roman officer in charge, but often barbarian officers would get a commission. For security reasons, the Romans would try to post these auxiliary units away from the borders they crossed, so central Asian horsemen that arrived in the empire from the black sea would be posted in Britannia or Gallia.

>>122691555
Crane Wing.

>>122691555
I'd imagine he'd project swords into the air and launch them from numerous angles to throw Lancer off his assault, create an opening, and deploy his reality marble at earliest convenience. From there, strategic projection of anti-demigod or anti-celtic noble phantasms as applicable combined with sword rain to drive him back.
We don't know the absolute list of "what Archer has in his UBW" so we can't perfectly say what he'll do.

>>122691633
UBW is stated explicitly to be, for most Servants, only a somewhat troublesome annoyance.

>>122691749
>Lancer evades the swords 3fast with his Protection from Arrows instead of blocking them like the Crane Wings trap requires
>Archer gets a Gae Bolg in the face

>>122691769
>launch them from numerous angles
what is Protection from Arrows skill

the next episode is going to be shirou saving rin in the church right? I forget everything since I'm an idiot.

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Can Archer just project a copy of Gay borg?

>>122691805
>what is Protection from Arrows skill
That might protect him from the damage, but he still needs to defend himself to use it. It's not some passive "projectiles automatically fail" effect like a video game character. All Archer needs is a break in the offense to begin weaving thaumaturgy.

>>122691805
>UBW is stated explicitly to be, for most Servants, only a somewhat troublesome annoyance.

Considering that Lancer wasn't making any progress, an annoyance on top of that would easily invert the situation.

>>122691769
>UBW
>Against a normal opponent this is little more than a mildly annoying ability, but it is the natural enemy of a certain King of Heroes.

>>122691839
Fate route is a big blur to be other than Kin Arthur giving a blowjob and Saber getting her wish.

>>122691841
Is it a divine weapon or a man-made weapon?

>>122691805
>Lancer evades the swords 3fast with his Protection from Arrows instead of blocking them like the Crane Wings trap requires
Don't see how this is too different a result from normal, he ends up with 2 copies behind him.

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Fate/Stay Night is the Naruto of Type-Moon.
I'm not even baiting

>>122691839
yes archers betrayal should be the first episode

>>122691920
>hurr durr that means it's harmless
An annoyance is exactly what Archer builds his combat strategy around. Giving him that is a critical weapon.

>>122691989
KnK = Bleach
Tsukihime = One Piece

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>>122688023
>understanding anime

>>122691841
Archer won't be able to replicate the heart-stab.
>t didn’t hit because it was thrust, it hit so it was thrust, an attack on destiny itself.
>What is needed to dodge Gae Bolg isn’t high agility but the power to reverse fate before the activation of Gae Bolg: high luck.
>While it’s strictly anti-personnel and specifically targeting the heart, it’s a top-notch power that decides fate. It’s a noble phantasm a step away from being an authority, but it's no surprise that it is for its welder Cu Chulainn is the child of a god.

>>122689696
All I want to see is Archer Herc. Somewhere, in some Fate thing, somehow. I want to see the greatest of Greek heroes in his best class, throwing down Hundred Shooting Heads tipped with Hydra Poison, stealth-sniping people from afar with a rain of death.

Really, about the only person I'd like to see as much as Herc is Odysseus, the hero with the fame of already winning a war of heroes via subterfuge and stealth.

>>122691707
Not only that, weren't they relying on mercs because the Legions were complaining about having to wear armour and other stupid shit that devalued the entire fighting force? When the best soldiers they were getting in the late empire were coming from the ass end of backwards nowhere (Britain), you've got a problem.

>>122692155
Ah, I see exactly the same case as "Ea" Gotcha.

>>122692308
Not the same. Close-ish.

There's probably a degraded copy of Ea somewhere in UBW. Problem is that it's so completely gone it's not even worth being called Ea. If his degraded Excalibur is bad, I don't even want to know how terrible a degraded Ea is.

>>122692308
Not realy.
It's a pretty different case

>>122692358
>>122692308
Ea cannot be projected for numerous reasons, it's the least projectable sword that's ever been a sword.
On top of Gilgamesh being the "only wielder", he can't analyze the structure, he can't detect what it was made out of because it's not created from earthly materials, and he can't understand the reason for its creation because it's an alien construction created for alien purposes.
Just looking at it makes Shirou's brain hurt. It's not in UBW at all, in any manner.

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>>122692238
Why can't Archer and Shirou project Ea and Enkidu again? Some bullshit about being out of this world?

>>122692470
Various reasons for Ea (divine construct, alien construct, alien reason for creation, defined by Gilgamesh as being the sole user). I haven't seen anything regarding Enkidu, but being chains, but being neither weapon or armor, that item would probably be outside his sphere of influence anyway.

>>122691921
But I don't think he's talking about the Fate route. Isn't he talking about UBW?

>>122692452
It's implied that there might be, in fact, degraded NPs of "similar performance" to Ea and Excalibur in there (and Shirou projects an Excalibur copy out of Archer's Arm in the HF Normal ending, so there's that). They're just not Ea, because as said, anything in there just can't be legitimately called it. UBW isn't good enough to do it unless you're in the Moon Cell, where half-decent degraded Excalibur becomes usable.

>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?
>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though.

>>122692679
>where half-decent degraded Excalibur becomes usable.
Which only happens because the animators where doing their shit while Nasu wasn't looking

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>>122692679
That's really vague. At best it might be some sort of weapon that attacks the world, or that part could just be referring to Excalibur or the concept of "magical energy wave" weapons in general.
He can't even get the shape of that twisted drill down properly.

>>122692742
And he let it through anyway, because it was still degraded.

And Archer also remarks that he could project something degraded but similar in FSN, but it'd be a suicide attack draining all his mana reserves away.

>>122692358
>>122692452
Doesn't Ea predate the concept of "sword" itself, so it's not even a sword at all?

>>122692742
Nasu said it wasn't a problem though. Because it's really cool to see in-game.

Fucking reddit

>>122692679
>Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though.
WTF?? Archer has anti-world NPs???

>>122692793
>>122692815

He can visualise swords, but not jackhammers. Ea's more like the latter than the former, because it pretty much jackhammers the world.

>>122692815
Unlikely. The very concept of "sword" goes back to the spiral of the root, considering it is an origin.
The drill sword came from before the world, but not before " ".

>>122692825
Nasu is the biggest push-over ever
>In EXTRA, the conditions for where wrought iron is possible are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior.
>Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way.
>Well it is new animation after all and there's no reason to reject it. So long as it's a degraded version, I guess it's okay.

>>122692815
Whatever it is, Shirou can't comprehend it's structure. But it was definitely called a sword several times in the VN.

>>122692851
Might, anon. Might. We don't know. Could absolutely be anti-world stuff in there. Could also not have any anti-world. It's not like we have a list of everything Archer has ever seen and recorded in his lifetime and every single time he was summoned to fuck up some idiot trying to doom humanity.

>>122692889
But he himself made Shirou project Excalipoor in HF and made Archer say he can project it in UBW.

>>122692889
Not even Takeuchi was able to drag him away from Dark Souls in order to put Seiba's face on all the Tsukihime girls, though.

>For Gilgamesh who possessed all the treasures in the World, mediocre Noble Phantasms mattered very little. However, this sword was one of the exceptions that Gilgamesh treasured greatly.
>The sword bore no mark.
>Ea was just a nickname Gilgamesh used for convenience.
>Furthermore, it was actually hard to say if it was a sword at all.
>After all, this item was something that predated the appearance of spears and swords in history.
>It hailed from a era predated humans and planets.
>It was the manifestation of pure power, wielded by Gods for the purpose of Genesis. A rarity amongst rarities.
>An item that gave birth to this Planet, and cleft apart Heaven and Earth.
>It rent the Void to create the Heavens. It pierced the Cosmos to return to the Void.
>The power that symbolized the beginning and the end. It was something that only Gilgamesh, who inherited the blood of the Gods, was permitted to wield.

>>122692928
I wish he used a whole arsenal of different shit in Grand Order according to the servant he's fighting. Nasu making him use the same shit over and over again doesn't make sense.

>>122692973
And afterwards stated that they can't project Excalibur.
We are talking about the Mushroom here.
Also known as The Lying Adult

>>122693013
Hey, just because you have an entire arsenal of weapons, that doesn't mean you don't have some you like more than others. K&B, Caladbolg, etc.

>>122692973
And both times it was a suicidal attack. In extra he can spam excalipoor.

>>122693043
>And afterwards stated that they can't project Excalibur.
EXCALIBUR, not Excalipoor. It's not that hard to understand for fucks sake.
Anyways canon VN feats > Nasu's troll interviews

>>122693091
Only because he didn't have a Master at the time.

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>>122692991
>that cast time
Only downside.

>>122692289

Yeah the Legion had by the fifth century basically become a political vehicle. Also Auxiliary forces were motivated by things like having the safety and political stability of living within the empire because at that point most of the "invaders" were agricultural tribes that were getting pushed off the Steppe by equine nomads or nomads whose own ethnic group weren't large or powerful enough to be independent and who were forced to seek protection within the Empire's borders. Its cheaper to pay an auxiliary who considers the opportunity to live in Eboracum a serious benefit, indeed the primary reason to sign up, instead of a Citizen who wants additional compensation for being sent to the ass end of nowhere.

>>122693193
?

>>122692869
Now that you mention it I don't know why I thought that. The only source I can find that says "Ea predates the concept of sword" is an unsourced claim in the TM wiki, but I can't recall ever visiting the Ea page there. All my TM knowledge is half-remembered pieces of the original stories, plus the Fuyuki wiki and the Moonlit World from reading through them in highschool, and more recently CM3 translations from BL. But checking all these latter sources I can't find anything about Ea predating sword.

>>122693189
Archer should have fucking A+ prana and endurance after all that shit he pulled while being masterless in UBW.

>>122693253
Zero volume 4

What is your controversial Type Moon opinion?

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>>122693216
Saber beat him in Fate after deploying Avalon because she released Excalibur faster than Gil could finish reciting "Enuma Elish"

>>122693262
Archer class bonus is seriously OP.

>>122689366
Why didn't they get Gen to write more Type-Moon stories?

>>122693314
I am completely happy with it and foster no complaints about anything.

>>122693337
And Shirou cut off Gil's arm because pulling out out Ea cost too much time.

>>122693262
>logic
>in the Nasuverse

>>122693337
Did they use the exact same "Kotomine, Kirei" voice file in the VN?

>>122693314

- Ciel is best Turkeyhandle

- It doesn't matter how much /a/ fanwanks him, Lancer still seems quite unimpressive whenever I read the VN.

- Rin should have died in the Fate route (even if I think she's best girl)

>>122693337
That scene would benefit from a rewrite.

>>122693337
No, she catches it at full power using Avalon, which puts Gil in a state where he is stuck for some reason and dies. It's pretty much equal, if not faster, than Excalibur. I'm pretty sure he uses it before Saber can finish chanting Excalibur one of the times.

>>122693337
>>122693390
So, Gil's weakness is actually being slow as fuck?

>>122693398
afaik the Anime came out before the Realta Nua voices

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>>122693262
>he projected an entire massive rain of arrows
>projected Raw Anus to protect Shirou
>Killed Gil
All in this condition, after getting stabbed in the chest by Shirou, and skewered by Gil, when he was already "low on mana"

>>122693314
Sakura did nothing wrong.

>>122693483
His stats should be GAR rank.

>>122693461

It's not faster than Excalibur. Saber manipulated Gilgamesh into thinking she charged her weapon but failed to fire, but she was actually just keeping it at the edge of firing for her Avalon -> instant Excalibur trick.

>>122693461
>catches it at full power
Nope.
It has a long charge time, and he can't really move for a moment after using it.

>>122693483
Also, casted UBW twice.

>>122693481
Does Mahoyo have voices now?

>>122693262
>>122693483
Shirou is just a tenacious son of a bitch who refuses to die when he is killed.
You should've realized this from 90% of the rest of the VN.

How do you all think the pacing will be in the second season of UBW? Will it be better than the first season or worse.

>>122693538
What? The final clash is Ea vs Excalibur, Excalibur manages to make a bit of room for her to step ahead, he get annoyed and goes full power, Saber uses Avalon, Gil can't stop Ea and has no way to avoid Saber, and Saber Excalibur'd him. The time where it's faster, he pulls out ea, she starts saying "EX..", and then he Enuma numa's her.

>>122693596
No he didn't.

>>122693450
>- Rin should have died in the Fate route (even if I think she's best girl)
Going by that logic would mean that she also dies in HF.

>>122693668
The first season's pacing was fine though. In order to not drag things out they're probably going to insert a lot of original scenes.

>>122693576
The final Enuma Elish was definitely max power. It reached its max rotation, fired, and then got nullified by Avalon. The charge time is instant, but the problem was that it was still spinning, which I guess make him unable to do anything for some reason.

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>>122684626
>>122684635
>>122684652
>>122684663
>huge pasta
>it's actually right

>>122693607
Shirou =/= Archer.
Archer didn't give a fuck about his life and jobbed against Berserker, Saber, Rider, Saber Alter and the shadow. He only fought seriously in UBW because he wanted to kill Shirou.

>>122693478
Being mentally retarded.

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>>122693607
That doesn't mean that it makes any sense at all for Archer to have survived to the end of UBW, he's a servant, he needs a master and mana to stay in the world, Independent Action can't do it indefinitely. He was already at less than a tenth of his full strength and he had no master, and yet he somehow makes it all the way to the end spamming projection. Still has enough time to slowly say goodbye to Rin.
>>122693671
>he gets annoyed and goes full power
No, he never went full power a single time in F/SN, not even close.

>>122693671
Right, sorry, I confused something.
Anyway, the real difference in situation is that Gil can't just suddenly cancel his attack after launching Enuma Elish. Excalibur and Enuma Elish can both be throttled to be used faster, but at less output, and Saber's final Excalibur is probably the weakest version of it possible. Meanwhile, Gilgamesh was using Enuma Elish to its greatest output, and that devotes a lot of time and motion, he can't recover from it quickly.

>>122693731
I really enjoyed the original scenes in the first season, they really played it perfect. I guess if they don't do anything major it'll be fine.

>>122693758
He spams fucking normal arrows.

>>122693723
Rin was necesary in the HF climax and epilogue. But in Fate she had exhausted her development possibilities by the time Kirei fuck her up.

>>122693758

He uses the full power against Saber at the very last moment, but she completely bypasses it with Avalon.
That .webm is exactly what Saber avoided, essentially.

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>>122693758
Full power as a regular Servant at least. He probably can't do that outside of the moon cell, where he's likely at his prime strength.

>>122693828
You lost me.

>>122693758
That is only possible in the mooncell

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>>122693853
No, it isn't. He first used the true power of Ea in Hollow Ataraxia. He never used it a single time in F/SN.
>>122693863
>>122693926
He can though, he used it in HA. He never used it in F/SN.

>>122693953
Hilarious that you insist this without evidence. There's no reason for that last Enuma Elish to be anything less.

>>122693758
>He was already at less than a tenth of his full strength and he had no master, and yet he somehow makes it all the way to the end spamming projection.
Normal projections are not that costly for Archer.

>>122693671
I could record the scene if anyone can recommend a free screen recorder that isn't adware or spyware and can restrict itself to recording one window.

>>122693975
Yes actually, there is. Ea has two different modes, it can either be a beam like Excalibur, or it can be the true form, where it reveals the "truth". Gilgamesh never used it's real power in F/SN, no matter how much you try and insist that he did.

>>122694049
No, that's not how it works. Enuma Elish does not have "modes". It always attacks the world, regardless of its output. Revealing the truth is a side effect, it does not increase the damage or anything.

What HF scene are you excited to see animated?

>>122694078
refer to gif
>>122693758

>>122694118
Not a different mode. Same attack as always, just at greatest output.

>>122694078
It's always anti-world as in the beam pulverizes the world, but the effect of ripping reality apart is definitely a higher-tier usage of it.

>>122694078
The effects of the true Ea and his fuck around beamspeam mode are completely apparent. They're two different attacks entirely.

>>122694097
They will be butchered as hell and I'm hear to drink the tears of HF-fags.
And of UBW-fags after Ufotable will fuck up Archer vs Shirou

>>122694196
>>122694242
Bullshit. It just deals more damage to the world with greater output. It is not "different" in anything but scale.
Cite a single fucking passage from Nasu.

>>122694097
Mappo Tofu.

Too bad it won't make the cut.

>>122694268
It's completely different. Do you not have eyes or something? You only need to look at how different the two attacks are to see the difference.
>Enuma Elish (The Star of Creation That Split Heaven and Earth)
>Gilgamesh's final Noble Phantasm which reveals creation--the beginning of everything.
>The severing of space which comes from the Sword of Rupture, Ea, the sword crowned with the name of a god from Mesopotamian mythology.
>The god, Ea, is believed to be the quasi-deification of the power of the planet which turned, smashed, and stabilized the surface of the earth when it was still covered in gas and seas of magma, during the primordial stage of the earth.
>Many gods began building nations after the the primordial earth was stabilized into a world where living creatures could live, but Ea is a god who performed the act of building of planet before that.
>Gilgamesh's sword, which is crowned with Ea's name, changes space itself by agitating space-time through the rotation of three layers of giant power fields.
>It's true power is not something to be used against a single living creature but against the world. Even among the many Noble Phantasms possessed by Servants, it is one considered to be at the top, the sword "which tore apart the world."

>>122694351
It was seriously out of character anyways.

>>122694397
>The space-cutting technique fired from this overloaded state is called “Enuma Elish”, and boasts destructive power on the same level as Excalibur.

>>122694406
>out of character
What part of Kirei's character necessarily precludes him enjoying mappo tofu?

>>122694397
Listing a single attack, huh? I don't see a "this weapon has two modes" passage there.
The difference is scale alone.

>>122694097
The scene where Shirou dies.

>>122694351
>won't make the cut
It's actually one of the important cooking/eating scenes. How is it not going to make it?

>>122694268
There's CCC which has a basic "Ea" attack that is the beamspam version, and then actual Enuma Elish is the giant galaxy magical circle version.

>>122694522
>no wormslut
>no fightan
They are going to skip it.

>>122694458
The part he can't enjoy anythig but making people suffer.

>>122694531
Difference is again in scale alone. It can be throttled, that's all.

>>122694466
The two forms of Ea are entirely different. You can just refer to Hollow Ataraxia and CCC to see that.

>>122694531
Game mechanics.

>>122694458
Kirei doesn't really have feeling and for him to be enjoying that tofu was extremely out of character. I actually facepalmed during that scene.

>>122694097
I wonder what end they will end up doing.

>>122694592
You mean where they fire a beam of devastation exactly the same as every other time, merely in greater scale? Or where the world is destroyed in greater scale?

>>122694544
>>122694605
>zerbabbies

>>122694614
I mean the difference between >>122693863
and >>122693758 >>122693953
The original point still stands, he never went all out in Fate/Stay Night, not even close.

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What if Hideyoshi tries to steal Ea?

>>122694672
There is no difference. What do you believe the difference is? They are all the same attack at different levels of output.

>>122694701
I'm glad I don't acknowledge anything Fate beyond F/SN, FHA and FZ

>>122694705
>there's no difference
>one is just way stronger than the other
Yes, that's true. Full power Ea is much stronger than what he used in F/SN.

>>122694740
You should aknowledge F/E too.

>>122687192
>It's not though
Maybe when it was released it was a different story, but nowadays there is no eroge that can even come close to FSN's level in terms of fame, especially when put on a global scale. It's the biggest title in one of the most successful franchises in the anime/manga/ln/vn medium. FSN isn't being overrated in success because the franchise itself is really that successful and the evidence for it is everywhere.

Also there are no eroge that have sold in the millions. Something like YU-NO never broke 300k sales and even non ero video games wish they could break a million in sales in Japan.

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>>122684626
>porn game
>there are 2 sex scenes per route tops
Nice meme m8.
But yeah they could use a fade to black instead.

>>122694763
It's a matter of output, and he hit its maximum output during the last attack. Why do you believe he did not? What indicates he did not?

>>122694773
Yeah, sure, whynot

>>122694763
It was full power. It just got nullified by Avalon. It's probably that something something AC mentioned in the profile.

>>122694801
The fact that the attack was much weaker than what we know he can do proves it. It's very simple, the mythical serious Gil doesn't exist in F/SN.

>>122694853
Why do you think it was much weaker? What gives that indication at all?

>>122694782
How were the original eroge scenes? Uncensored?

How do you explain the Fate franchise and Type Moon in general to someone who is interested in it but has no previous knowledge of it?

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>>122694011
>>122693671
>>122693538
>>122693461
Probably nobody cares anymore but I recorded it anyway.

http://a.pomf.se/suriof.webm

First time I've seen the Realta Nua version of the scene myself. The last time I saw it was playing the original PC version back in 2008-9 or so, and there's some music I don't recognize. The effects seem swankier too.

Anyway as you can see the DEEN's anime version of the scene is slightly different, the speed at which Ea can be used is not an issue, and the problem is more that Gil gets screwed by being unable to cancel out of using Ea because he's a scrub who can't MonHun.

>>122694613
True, duh.
No one wants to see brain damaged saggy old Sakura realizing that it's spring again and again a fucking hundred times, nor they wanna see Mature Rin being married to a rich shit-tier magus that held her down from making top 100 in the Association's history and made her bitter because he can't satisfy her in bed due to not having the glorious Jackhammer between his legs.

>>122694865
The fact that he wasn't throwing galaxies at Saber. The narration for the attack is completely different from HA as well. There's no reason to have a big reveal like that in HA if it was the same as what he used against Saber. In CCC it's always massively different. In Fate, the only thing we see is him shooting red beams at Saber. Before more F/SN content came out there's pretty much no way to know that Ea was any different from a beamspam like Excalibur.

>>122694976
Gil can job against random generic enemies in CCC, I guess he's weak as fuck then...

>>122694890
concerning Fate you can sum it up as a death battle between mages summoning mythical heroes

for other TM works, it'll be easier for them to have interest in it if they liked Fate

>>122694976
That's purely visual, it offers absolutely no information about the attack. For all we know that only happens in the moon cell.
You're forgetting that scene's importance is Avalon, not Enuma Elish.
Hollow Ataraxia merely took a close look at the effect, no indication it is actually different.

>>122694922
>Gil: "SABEEEERRR"

I love it when Gil screams.

Any word if the Tsukihime remake will be release with VA?

>>122688044
Based anon.

>>122695071
We haven't heard anything since the potential character designs a couple years ago.

>>122695071
>remake
>getting released

>>122695071
Nothing yet.

>>122695094
>>122695099
http://www.typemoon.org/bbb/diary/index.html#17

>>122694613
True.

They will maybe add cherry blossoms dream as a disc bonus

>>122688112
You don't need a parameter for F/SN you lazy fuck

>>122695071
Considering that Mahoyo bombed i think every TM work will be voiced now

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>>122695122
...... it's ...... that December has passed the other half?
How Hey also try not mean or even he did I'll refrain from going out because there is big chill come from today to come doing mercilessly work of the outer loop that. Is mushrooms.

This I'm rough. Rear friend and QUMM (cash Ha Hoho mucho mucho) and if there is spare time are room kotatsu and Koyonaku QUMM to please not in, I'm revelation from God that bocce.

--- Well. The attempt to provide the latest information on such insider us.
That, or to update the diary in momentum because their was also surprised to know a little while ago.

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=12981703

Chopper, I have been doing in a Kirishima teacher or ｰｰｰｰ!? (Yaffu!)
What's this, the 10th early Christmas gift? Continues'm readable but of Miyako of flowers!?
I'm so, there is no Husband is ending in the place where came out Kazuraki couple riding ride in the anime now come out even Altria been also de Ark. Good'll Ken, more Yare ......! No please do I, thank you ...!

On the other hand, Takeuchi was knew firmly pattern.

Can "bamboo, this knew!? Wow, and Miyako'm resume!"
Was "Yeah, I knew. Because I received counseling to me or I do, and me yo good"
Can "I or friends ...... tavern you guys"

>>122695157

Mahoyo didn't "bomb", it just was not a hit.
It sold averagely. It was average.
Bomb means to sell exceptionally poorly.

>>122694613
Normal End means no Kotomine vs. Shirou fist fight and Ilya wearing the dress of Heaven.

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>>122694922

Fate/Zero is the best written release connected to the Fate franchise.

>>122695315
Nobody is disagreeing with you.

>>122695315
>>122695340
Genfags please go

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>Heaven's Feel

>>122695315

Well the only written releases are Zero, Apocrypha, and Prototype Fragments, right?
Is Strange Fake a LN or a manga or both? I've received conflicting reports.

>>122695388
Strange Fake is both.
But the LN is the "main" thing

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>>122695384
>Heaven's Feel

>>122695446

So the manga is a visual supplement? Cool enough, I suppose.

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I thought I was going to regret picking this character as my servant, I thought she was just going to be kitsune pandering bullshit. Boy, was I wrong. How can a servant be so endearing? please, let's discuss caster.

>>122695230
You're an idiot. It bombed for TM's standards.